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Group: S-Trains	Message: 33584	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: The Ed & Rick Show ......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33585	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: NMRA AND NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33586	From: Paul	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums Back Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33587	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Cool train float/ Rose Parade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33588	From: firex43	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Wanted: Tires for Hartoy AHL Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33589	From: clifma19	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33590	From: jim.mowery	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33591	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - a review.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33592	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33593	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33594	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - IR tether.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33595	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33596	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Mikado Photo Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33597	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: bulb wattage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33598	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33599	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - Engine Separately Purchasable?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33600	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - Engine Separately Purchasabl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33601	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Photo Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33602	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Another Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33603	From: roy inman	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Another Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33604	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: 'word Up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33605	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Mikado on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33606	From: rebendever	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: 2005 Events for the 1:64 Modeling Guide 2005 Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33607	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33608	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Photo Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33609	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Can motors....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33610	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Photo Review - Value analysis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33611	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Another Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33612	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33613	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Mikado - Any Problems? I have one!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33614	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: LTI Missouri Pacific Cars for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33615	From: Alan Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Empire State Set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33616	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33617	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: new AF train list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33618	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: 2004 Capitol Holidays Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33619	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33620	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33621	From: garydmccullah	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33622	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: American Honda train float
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33623	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - Engine Separately Purchasabl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33624	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Mikado - Any Problems? I have one! And now it's solv
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33625	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Spreading truck sides?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33626	From: Joe McGill	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33627	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Count
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33628	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Spreading truck sides?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33629	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: S-Chat for 1-2-05 Has Been Posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33630	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33631	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33632	From: roninscho9	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Count
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33633	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33634	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33635	From: race944t	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Shows in Annapolis, MD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33636	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Count
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33637	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33638	From: lastman	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33639	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Introducing Myself
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33640	From: Joe McGill	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33641	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33642	From: Phil K	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33643	From: Phil K	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Turntable info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33644	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Island Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33645	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Mikado - Any Problems?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33646	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2519
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33647	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33648	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2519
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33649	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33650	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33651	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Mikado Statistics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33652	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33653	From: Mac	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2521
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33654	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33655	From: PAUL	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: More Help Needed with Track Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33656	From: roy inman	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Statistics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33657	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33658	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33659	From: garydmccullah	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Sale Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33660	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Island Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33661	From: David Avedesian	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Shows in Annapolis, MD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33662	From: Chris McKinley	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: any old S Scale Loco and Supply stuff out there?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33663	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Mikado-For the record I read the instructions!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33664	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Announcing new S Calendar at MyFlyerTrains.Org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33665	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Introducing ourselves.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33666	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33667	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: A newspaper Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33668	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: FW: Re: [S-Trains] Mikado-For the record I read the instructions!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33669	From: Paul	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Train Givaway - Please step Forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33670	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: A newspaper Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33671	From: jim.mowery	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Newbie, Looking for Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33672	From: Phil K	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Updated lift-up photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33673	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: minium radis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33674	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2522
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33675	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: minium radis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33676	From: KEENESR@AOL.COM	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33677	From: PAUL	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: A Second PLEA for help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33678	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2522 RE.: TOUCHY LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33679	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: NJ AF fans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33680	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re;Digest number 2522 RE: TOUCHY LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33681	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Engine tune up kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33682	From: brooksora	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33683	From: John Foley	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Josh Seltzer award button replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33684	From: chrism3667	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Hello again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33685	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33686	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: TOUCHY LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33687	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Am I alone ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33688	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Am I alone ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33689	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Newbie, Looking for Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33690	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Am I alone ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33691	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2523
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33692	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2523
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33693	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: AF 2005 Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33694	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33695	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33697	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Touchy Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33698	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: B&O Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33699	From: Phil K	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Hinges similar to what I used for lift-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33700	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Locos Not Going Up a Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33701	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33702	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Defense Of Gilbert And Yankees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33703	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33704	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: B&O Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33705	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33706	From: Art	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33707	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Hinges similar to what I used for lift-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33708	From: roy inman	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33709	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33710	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33711	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Introducing Myself
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33712	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33713	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Hinges similar to what I used for lift-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33714	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Locos Not Going Up a Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33715	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Mikado problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33716	From: roy inman	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33717	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: machining parts ,tools, and methods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33718	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Free Atlas transittion joiners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33719	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Casting and molding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33720	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Redirected post: he has sloppy trucks on a 312 tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33721	From: PAUL	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33722	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33723	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33724	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: There was at least one Flyonel reissue...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33725	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33726	From: hgetrain	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33727	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33728	From: PAUL	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33729	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33730	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33731	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: B&O set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33732	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33733	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: FYI - Recent Mikado Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33734	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: last 2 Missouri Pacific LTI passenger Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33735	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33736	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible seco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33737	From: doug	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Casting and molding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33738	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: FYI - Recent Mikado Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33739	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Re;molding and casting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33740	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Sale on K-Line S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33741	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: AM turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33742	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: More Help Needed with Track Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33743	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Re: FYI - Recent Mikado Pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33744	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: B&O Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33745	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Did anyone see this B&O set on ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33746	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: B&O Mikado and Mikado pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33747	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Mikado Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33748	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Track Clips - Whither Art Thou?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33749	From: race944t	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Bob Conner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33750	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33751	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Fwd: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33752	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Gary Chidester, where are you??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33753	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Bob Conner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33754	From: Joe McGill	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33755	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado on Pike Master Radius Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33756	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33757	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33758	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: travels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33759	From: bob_nmc	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Restoring Silver Streak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33760	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring Silver Streak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33761	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33762	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: You say Mickaydo, I saw McKawdoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33763	From: beebear	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: S scale Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33764	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring Silver Streak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33765	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33766	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33767	From: rebendever	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide 2005 Calendar on Sale NOW! (blatant advertiseme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33768	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Poll Results So Far - only 11 votes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33769	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Results - second attempt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33770	From: Mark Koenig	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado and "How things have changed."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33771	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and "How things have changed."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33772	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33773	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Grade/trestle transitions with Flyer track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33774	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33775	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and "How things have changed."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33776	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33778	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado sound question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33779	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Deep Impact - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33780	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Power to the rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33781	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and "How things have changed."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33782	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado bell & whistle controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33783	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2528
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33784	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado sound question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33785	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado sound question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33786	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado bell & whistle controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33787	From: doug	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring Silver Streak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33788	From: John Foley	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Promotions Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33789	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: And at a great "Buy It Now" price, too...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33790	From: Bob W.	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: S scale Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33791	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: And at a great "Buy It Now" price, too...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33792	From: roy inman	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33793	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re;and a great "Buy It Now" price too...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33794	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33795	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Results - too be young again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33796	From: Scott G. Perry	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Freecycle Trains! (not spam)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33797	From: aglorince	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: track laying help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33798	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Todays Results - 18 votes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33799	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: A Collector's Nightmare!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33800	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: B&O Set & Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33801	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: American Models track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33802	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Results - too be young again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33803	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Mikado Madness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33804	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33805	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re;B&O Set & Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33806	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: TMCC Diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33807	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Model 8 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33808	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33809	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Model 8 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33810	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33811	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Model 8 transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33812	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33813	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: #8 Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33814	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Re;B&O Set & Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33815	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: AM Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33816	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33817	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: A Collector's Nightmare or a consumer's dream!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33818	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Results - Mik's Interned in Train Mausoleums?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33819	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33820	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Real Life Usage - Makado Repaints?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33821	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: NYC PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33822	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Cold Heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33823	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33824	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Clover House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33825	From: roy inman	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Cold Heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33826	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33827	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33828	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's - Thanks all for the historical information...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33829	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33830	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Transformer 22090
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33831	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Transformer Size/Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33832	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Joe's train repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33833	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33834	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: A store story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33835	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33836	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33837	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33838	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33839	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33840	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: question from a newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33841	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33842	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Micro Layouts address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33843	From: Bob W.	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Joe's train repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33844	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33845	From: Earl.Carlsen@hna.hella.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33846	From: harbor_jct	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: TMCC and NYC B Unit with Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33847	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and NYC B Unit with Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33848	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33849	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33850	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: American flyer Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33851	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2532
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33852	From: rlebtrain@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and NYC B Unit with Railsounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33853	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Lionel AF seaboard switcher on gargraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33854	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Question about ebay auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33855	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2532
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33856	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Transformer size /Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33857	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: American flyer Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33858	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33859	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF seaboard switcher on gargraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33860	From: Bruce	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Carl T.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33861	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Carl T.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33862	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Spirit Lake, Iowa. NW corner of the state.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33863	From: David Engle	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Spirit Lake, Iowa. NW corner of the state.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33864	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: "S" Bookmarks lost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33865	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Old Docksider 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33866	From: John Foley	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S" Bookmarks lost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33867	From: John Foley	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: S Fines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33868	From: Phil K	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Mikado: take care when installing battery...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33869	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33870	From: klaatu1944	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Help with Flyonel GP7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33871	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado: take care when installing battery...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33872	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Help with Flyonel GP7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33873	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Bookmarks lost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33875	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Have you seen........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33876	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33877	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Cow and calf
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33878	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33879	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: Reviews for model railroad magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33880	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late t...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33881	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - - CTT Review -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33882	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33883	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Adding Links to S-Scale.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33884	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late t...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33885	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: Reviews for model railroad magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33886	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late t...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33887	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Testing and bias in print
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33888	From: roy inman	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33889	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33890	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: BEWARE: Paypal email is scam/hoax/fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33891	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] BEWARE: Paypal email is scam/hoax/fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33892	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33893	From: roy inman	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33894	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Mikado Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33895	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Lionel B&O Passenger Cars ONLY For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33896	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33897	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: S gauge cow and calf
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33898	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Technical Repair Product Questions]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33899	From: John Foley	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: John Hall decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33900	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: CTT..Review...I may be Responsible
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33901	From: John Foley	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: S People & Animals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33902	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Electronic Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33903	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33904	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and 50hz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33905	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and 50hz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33906	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Fwd: Lionel B&O Passenger Cars ONLY For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33907	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33908	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and 50hz
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33909	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33910	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: 50hz TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33911	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33912	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Custom Painted NYC Bullet Nose Smoker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33913	From: klaatu1944	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Thanks and another question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33914	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: S in CTT or any other mag.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33915	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT or any other mag.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33916	From: roy inman	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT or any other mag.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33917	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Ebay fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33918	From: Phil K	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT or any other mag.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33919	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Goin' home from Keystone Meet.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33920	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33921	From: knockbill	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33922	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Fw: Flyerville repro barn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33923	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33924	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Barb is supposed to be in this year.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33925	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Where in the world is Barb - in CTT - Miss May?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33926	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: S in CTT etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33927	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Where in the world is Barb - in CTT - Miss May?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33928	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33929	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33930	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Barb as Miss May
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33931	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Where in the world is Barb - in CTT - Miss May?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33932	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33933	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: coupler link and knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33934	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Digest number 2522 RE: TOUCHY LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33935	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: NASG Convention - Altoona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33936	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33937	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: NYC train shops ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33938	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Digest number 2522 RE: TOUCHY LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33939	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33940	From: Phil K	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Remember, anyone with a computer can read this
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33941	From: Alan Evans	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Freight Car register
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33942	From: flyernicki	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33943	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33944	From: Phil K	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33945	From: T Larson	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Critters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33946	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Alto Tower in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33947	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33948	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2537
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33949	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: New product from SnS Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33950	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33951	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re;Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33952	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Alto Tower part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33953	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33954	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Track Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33955	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Critters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33956	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33957	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33958	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33959	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Mikado and TMCC coincidence
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33960	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33961	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33962	From: Chris Burger	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: design software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33963	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel "American Flyer" Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33964	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: NYC Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33965	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: NYC PA Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33966	From: keefer1	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: NYC Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33967	From: james carnes	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: York - Spring or Fall?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33968	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33969	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: S Gauge/Scale - Jacksonville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33970	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33971	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: York - Spring or Fall?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33972	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: design software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33973	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: York - Spring or Fall?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33974	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge/Scale - Jacksonville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33975	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: layout ideas needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33976	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33977	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Seeing Trains in another Hemisphere
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33978	From: roy inman	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Fall S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33979	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: WELCOME HOME
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33980	From: doug	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Mikado set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33981	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Seeing Trains in another Hemisphere
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33982	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33984	From: troyerg@yahoo.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: web page that has working links to all of my train auctions on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33985	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: More on the Mikado--mine runs!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33986	From: troyerg@yahoo.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Selling off my dad's american flyer train collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33987	From: Phil K	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Fall S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33988	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Palmdale Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33989	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33990	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado--mine runs!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33991	From: butchclimax	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Twist knobs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33992	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33993	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Charles Ro & TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33994	From: james carnes	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33995	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Charles Ro & TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33996	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2538
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33997	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado--mine runs!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33998	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 33999	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado--mine runs!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34000	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34001	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34002	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34003	From: keefer1	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: 30B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34004	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Vanishing Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34005	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: PEM and Winross 1/64 trucks for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34006	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: layout ideas needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34007	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34008	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34009	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34010	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34011	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Vanishing Steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34012	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Train wreck with the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34013	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Train wreck with the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34014	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34015	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34016	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re;S Helper flexible track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34017	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Twist knobs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34018	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34019	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34020	From: james carnes	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34021	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34022	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Train wreck with the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34023	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34024	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34025	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Continued "train wreck" story of the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34026	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Continued "train wreck" story of the Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34027	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34028	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34029	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34030	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34031	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34032	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34033	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Mikado Price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34034	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Union Pacific 53' Evans double plug door Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34035	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Our Train in the Living Room is now on this website, see Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34036	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34037	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: I wonder why "American Flyer" is not imprinted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34038	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Did the dog live?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34039	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34040	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: OK, OK My new friend Bob wants me to tell you guys about the Chma C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34041	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Layout visualization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34042	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34043	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Chicagoland S Gaugers meeting this Friday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34044	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34045	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Train store in NYC George Leblanc's place
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34046	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: George LeBlanc trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34047	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34048	From: John Gibson	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: design software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34049	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34050	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: choochooauctions.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34051	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Rail related software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34052	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Lionel Personnel Confusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34053	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: More on Neil Young and The Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34054	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AM PRR K4 operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34055	From: larryasp	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Boiler Front - 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34056	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34057	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Boiler Front - 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34058	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: limited production runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34059	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34060	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: limited production runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34061	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: layout ideas needed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34062	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: limited production runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34063	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Boiler Front - 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34064	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first? - very confused and dazed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34065	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: George's Chama Coal Tipple
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34066	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Mikado - TMCC - WOW!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34067	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34068	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34069	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: New FREE Microsoft Spyware software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34070	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Lionel S gauge-the future
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34071	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: limited production runs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34072	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: layout ideas needed update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34073	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Florida Train Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34074	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Christmas Layout 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34075	From: flyernicki	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: track question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34076	From: squinn12345	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Block wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34077	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Tooling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34078	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: Block wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34079	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Flyer boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34080	From: klaatu1944	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: My Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34081	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: still have Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34082	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Mikado and TMCC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34083	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Another Mikado view
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34084	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: track question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34085	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Another Mikado view
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34086	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34087	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Lionel and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34088	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: 2005 Lionel Flyer Items announced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34089	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34090	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Lionel Flyer Items announced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34091	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: New Lionel - Flyer releases for 2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34092	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: 2005 list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34093	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Modern S Scale Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34094	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: gargraves switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34095	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: LAYOUT TOURS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34096	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Sydney and Perth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34097	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Layout pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34098	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2546
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34099	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34100	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: LAYOUT TOURS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34101	From: jt12313	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: New Flyer and other S gauge worth waiting for...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34102	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: AF boxes...again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34103	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyer and other S gauge worth waiting for...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34104	From: doug	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: 2005 AF...full list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34105	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34106	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: My Kaslo N5C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34107	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34108	From: pjervin@hereintown.net	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Trains and planes from Florida to Maryland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34109	From: EagleTrains	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re: AF boxes...again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34110	From: trainman634	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34111	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re: LAYOUT TOURS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34112	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re;re; AF boxes...again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34113	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34114	From: jt12313	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel offerings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34115	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Big L and the Flyer tooling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34116	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34117	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Layout Links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34118	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF...full list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34119	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Layout pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34120	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Madness - Watching the wheels go by... - Lionel Reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34121	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel in catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34122	From: keefer1	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: new chionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34124	From: Phil K	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Southern colors, tooling and more...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34125	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel trucks? - Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34126	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Big L and the Flyer tooling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34127	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Alto tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34128	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: SD-9 trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34129	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34130	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Web Links of layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34131	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34132	From: abmarr2	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Overland Challanger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34133	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34134	From: Phil K	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Big L and the Flyer tooling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34135	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Layout Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34136	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34137	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34138	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: EAST COAST SNOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34139	From: abmarr2	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Overland Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34140	From: robohat	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Flyonel CNW?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34141	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: 312
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34142	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34143	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: looking for
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34144	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: MIKADO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34145	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34146	From: T Larson	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Modular Walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34147	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: AF 4-6-6-4 project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34148	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: still looking for some layout ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34149	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: SD-9 trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34150	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Modular Walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34151	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: New fifty year old diesels!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34152	From: David Avedesian	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Double deck layouts with Helix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34153	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: TMCC bargain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34154	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: New fifty year old diesels!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34155	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34156	From: roy inman	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: UP Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34157	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34158	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Photo Album space available S and Gilbert Folks..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34159	From: Phil K	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: American Flyer boxes -- "complete" list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34160	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34161	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: New fifty year old diesels!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34162	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34163	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: helix calculator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34164	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34165	From: David Avedesian	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34166	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34167	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34168	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Sticking AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34169	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34170	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer boxes -- "complete" list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34171	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Flyonel - Reward the quality but not the junk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34172	From: roy inman	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Digest Number 2366
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34173	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34174	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: LED lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34175	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Restoration Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34176	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34177	From: paflyrman	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Mikado Squeek
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34178	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34179	From: doug_cnw	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Red Plastic Smokestack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34180	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Digest Number 2366
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34181	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: restoration using armorall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34182	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Restoration Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34183	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: To the person who wanted to buy a new Mikado, or anyone who wants o
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34184	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Restoration Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34185	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: continued story of the Mikado vs Poodle train Wreck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34186	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34187	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Red Plastic Smokestack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34188	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34189	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Subject Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34190	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Two questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34191	From: roy inman	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Two questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34192	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Willard Animations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34193	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Air Vent?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34194	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: FREE STUFF (SORT OF)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34195	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2551
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34196	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34197	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Sticking AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34198	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Restoring AF and Armor All
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34199	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34200	From: Randy Burton	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34201	From: Randy Burton	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: LED lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34202	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: O guage Lamplighter $510
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34203	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Air Vent?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34204	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: LED lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34205	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Showcase Line 2-8-0 Artwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34206	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: FREE STUFF IS GONE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34207	From: Bruce	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Blow Dryer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34208	From: Al Poklis	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Question about removing motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34209	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34210	From: T Larson	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: CAUTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34211	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Re: LED lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34212	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: A new look at "L" Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34213	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Re: 312 Maintance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34214	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: [S trains] #650 passenger car questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34215	From: chasesmithus	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Kaslo N5C PRR cabin car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34216	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34217	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Kaslo N5C PRR cabin car (corrected link)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34218	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Mikado Is Grade A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34219	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Parts!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34220	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Bell Danger Signal Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34221	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Northern AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34223	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Kadee coupler, Track, and AF questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34224	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Box for 21140???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34225	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Kadee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34226	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: some answers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34227	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Mikado Battery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34228	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Kadee coupler, Track, and AF questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34229	From: just ask	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34230	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Battery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34231	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34232	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: AF questions & 650 car questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34233	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34234	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34235	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34236	From: TC Carr	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34237	From: TC Carr	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34238	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34239	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34240	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34241	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34242	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2554
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34243	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Mikado & Budd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34244	From: Phil K	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34245	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34246	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34247	From: Reddington	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Wiring Question AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34248	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado battery life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34249	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Transformer Hummmmm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34250	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado & Budd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34251	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34252	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado battery life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34253	From: roy inman	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: UP Mikado part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34254	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Tender Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34255	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado & Budd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34256	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34257	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Electrical Safety - Off topic but important
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34258	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Atlanta Jan 30 - Feb 2nd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34259	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Wiring Question AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34260	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Battery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34261	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: AF in Lionel's 2005 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34262	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Car parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34263	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2556
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34264	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Train Show Tomorrow: Springfield Mass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34265	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2556
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34266	From: chasesmithus	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Kaslo N5c final look
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34267	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34268	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Train Show Tomorrow: Springfield Mass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34269	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Is anyone interested in buying my 20440 complete 1-owner set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34270	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Train Show Tomorrow: Springfield Mass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34271	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: [PRR-Modeling] Digest Number 1231
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34272	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: More Mikado Fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34273	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: 2-8-2 Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34274	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: New catalog pictures, veeedry interestink!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34275	From: Phil K	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke and silent tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34276	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34277	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34278	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: AF catalog on line at Lionel now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34279	From: roy inman	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Am turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34280	From: Phil K	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: AM turnouts -- slight curve in straight track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34281	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34282	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: AM turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34283	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34284	From: Tom	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: K-Line usable in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34285	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: AM turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34286	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34287	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: I've seen it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34288	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: I've seen it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34289	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34290	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: 4 Lionel/AF B&O S-Gauge Budd Passenger Cars + 2 Bonus Car set for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34291	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34292	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Operating Observation of AM Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34293	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: How was Springfield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34294	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Airbrush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34295	From: clifma19	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34296	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: American Hi Rail Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34297	From: John Foley	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: NASG's S Buyer's Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34298	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: American Hi Rail Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34299	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: SF 360/364 on a curve?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34300	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: American Hi Rail Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34301	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: West Springfield MA train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34302	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: SF 360/364 on a curve?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34303	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2559
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34304	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Airbrush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34305	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: airbrush
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34306	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: FW: Trainmaster command set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34307	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Track question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34308	From: larryasp	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34309	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34310	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: AM scale wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34311	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: The Upstairs Train - track layout posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34312	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: American Hi Rail Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34313	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: TMCC Neat-O!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34314	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO O-6-O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34315	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO O-6-O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34316	From: keefer1	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: union station paint match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34317	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Union Station repaint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34318	From: David Avedesian	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Lionel new Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34319	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel new Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34320	From: hgetrain	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel new Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34321	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: FW: [weathering] (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34322	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Help needed: electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34323	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34324	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34325	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34326	From: John Foley	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Allentown, PA Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34327	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: yet another loss
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34328	From: keefer1	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: off topic Rcon7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34329	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: re. electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34330	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: TMCC stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34331	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: B&O Mikado on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34332	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Allentown, PA Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34333	From: CoasterBill	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: TMCC problem with conventional trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34334	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC problem with conventional trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34335	From: John Foley	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Smoken Hole Street Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34336	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Boiler Front - 342AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34337	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re;Mikado on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34338	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2547
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34339	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Mikado on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34340	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Smoken Hole Street Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34341	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34342	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Big "L" catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34343	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34344	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Another Mikado on Ebay, this time NYC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34345	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2562
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34346	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34347	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34348	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34349	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2563 - AF Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34350	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Lionel gets $60 million in operating loans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34351	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Lionel CEO speaks on loans, company direction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34352	From: jt12313	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: wiring flyer rails...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34353	From: conehammer	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Changing couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34354	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re: Changing couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34355	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re;Changing couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34356	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34357	From: trainman634	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34358	From: flyernicki	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: T & P 812 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34359	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Changing couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34360	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: K325 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34361	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: AF train list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34362	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Gilbert AF/TMCC question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34363	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re: T & P 812 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34364	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF/TMCC question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34365	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: The Stumpy Philosophy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34366	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: KC & LC (couplers)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34367	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Measuring index
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34368	From: Bruce	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: link vs. knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34369	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: All Aboard locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34370	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: 1:64 veheciles and figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34371	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2565
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34372	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34373	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: The 20814 Winter set pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34374	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2565
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34375	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: KC & LC (couplers)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34376	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Lionel at it AGAIN!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34377	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34378	From: flyernicki	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: 812 Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34379	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: K325 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34380	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34381	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: RR indentification?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34382	From: Phil K	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: RR indentification?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34383	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: reL Lionel American Flyer GP5 Great Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34384	From: Robert Wight	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Sort of off topic HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34385	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER HO QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34386	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34387	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re;RR indentification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34388	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: AF Northern's and Greenberg books for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34389	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Flyer Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34390	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER HO QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34391	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: A 20" circumference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34392	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: 2005 Lionel Book 1 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34393	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: smoke fluid and storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34394	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re; A 20" circumference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34395	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: New 1:64 Diecast Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34396	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34397	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Smoke Unit Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34398	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: reL Lionel American Flyer GP5 Great Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34399	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: LTI Flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34400	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: LTI Flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34401	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Coupler question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34402	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: RR indentification?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34403	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: a wrong word Diameter.not Circunference of 20'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34404	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: a wrong word Diameter.not Circunference of 20'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34405	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34406	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: LTI Flyer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34407	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: TMCC questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34408	From: keefer1	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: central of georgia tca car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34409	From: dvprc	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34410	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34411	From: John Foley	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34412	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: How about a micro turning layout.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34413	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re;How about a micro turning layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34414	From: David Engle	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: How about a micro turning layout.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34415	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: UP plaque?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34416	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Track Bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34417	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34418	From: conehammer	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34419	From: John Foley	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Green & Tuscan HW's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34420	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Exploding box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34421	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34422	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34423	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34424	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: S scale in Britian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34425	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Rubber-backed Carpet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34426	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable fro Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34427	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: S scale in Britian Gibson details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34428	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Coupler question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34429	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Deepest condolences
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34430	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable fro Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34431	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: S Turntable for Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34432	From: dvprc	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Bowser Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34433	From: Bob W.	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Rubber-backed Carpet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34434	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: NASG grey and CNR Pullmans -- Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34435	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Painting AF steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34436	From: John	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34437	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Turntable Images
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34438	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34439	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: exploding box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34440	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34441	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Deepest condolences
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34442	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34443	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: U.P. plaque?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34444	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34445	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34446	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34447	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Converting LC to KCs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34448	From: Dave W	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: K-line conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34449	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Converting LC to KCs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34450	From: Phil K	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Mixing paint for AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34451	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: K-line conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34452	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Mixing paint for AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34453	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: K-line conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34454	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34455	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: AF Display in San Diego Sat, 12th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34456	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Turntable Question?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34457	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Mixing paint for AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34458	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] AF Display in San Diego Sat, 12th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34459	From: beebear	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Display in San Diego Sat, 12th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34460	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Correct URL for SD museum display, & black paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34461	From: Bruce	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Flyonel sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34462	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34463	From: Alex	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34464	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34465	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34466	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34467	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: San Diego R.R. Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34468	From: butchclimax	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Driver Stud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34469	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34470	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: Driver Stud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34471	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34472	From: Bruce	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34473	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: Driver Stud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34474	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: K-Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34475	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: replacing decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34476	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: San Diego Model Railraod Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34477	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34478	From: Phil K	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34479	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: K-Line S Cars and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34480	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: K-Line S Gauge BLOWOUT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34481	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: K line freighter conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34482	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: Re: Mixing paint for AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34483	From: Phil K	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: All welcome to attend Chicagoland S Gaugers meeting Friday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34484	From: Stan Koci	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge BLOWOUT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34485	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Mikado's and Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34486	From: NASG Library	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: NASG CNR Pullmans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34487	From: larryasp	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado's and Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34488	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Phasing transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34489	From: Ken Gilham	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Help with AF switch electrical
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34490	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Transfer tables vs. Turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34491	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado's and Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34492	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Polar Expres Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34493	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Phasing transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34494	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Turn Tables vs Transfer - Thanx 4 all the info..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34495	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help with AF switch electrical
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34496	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Ooops -- wrong price...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34497	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado's and Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34498	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2575
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34499	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34500	From: EagleTrains	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Transfer tables vs. Turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34501	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Circus tents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34502	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34503	From: David Engle	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34504	From: Ironhorse	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Port Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34505	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34506	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Looking for some LTI items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34507	From: Al	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: AF track bending tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34508	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34509	From: douglasgips@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Trains - We've always done it that way
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34510	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Autos for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34511	From: dvprc	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Scale ruler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34512	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Copy of Scale Ruler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34513	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2576 Scale Ruler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34514	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Polar Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34515	From: ORA E BROOKS	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Paint, blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34516	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Re: Autos for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34517	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Help in "Keeping her Honest"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34518	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Re: Paint, blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34519	From: trainman634	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34520	From: geep39	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: The latest on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34521	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34522	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34523	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay MORE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34524	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34525	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: STOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34526	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34527	From: conehammer	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Improving traction on older Flyer engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34529	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34531	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: An appropriate name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34532	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34533	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34534	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: STOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34535	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Fwd: STOUDT AUCTIONS (KMM28199273V57840L0KM)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34536	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: HERE IS E-BAYS REPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34537	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: LOOKING FOR AIRPLANE GUY OSH cal.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34538	From: T Larson	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: applicator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34539	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: More Mikados
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34540	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34541	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: applicator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34542	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: NASG Website Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34543	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR AIRPLANE GUY OSH cal.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34544	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34545	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34546	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Gilbert collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34547	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF traction rims & parts update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34548	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34549	From: larryasp	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34550	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Fw: [coTowpath] Steam train to END.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34551	From: Fred Alles	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Tender for 332AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34552	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Adding Pullmore's to early steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34553	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34554	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34555	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34556	From: Reddington	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Pencil Torch use
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34557	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2575
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34558	From: keefer1	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: ebay descriptions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34559	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34560	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Fw: Pre War AF HO set????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34561	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: E Z logs for Flyer log cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34562	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmore's to early steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34563	From: paflyrman	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay Descriptions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34564	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: ebay descriptions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34565	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34566	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: ebay descriptions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34567	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: B&O Passenger set amd MIkado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34568	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: wobble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34569	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Locos American Models, Lionel, Showcase Lines, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34570	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: ebay and American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34571	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Locos American Models, Lionel, Showcase Lines, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34572	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2580
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34573	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34574	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2580
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34575	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: ebay descriptions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34576	From: len_hall@yahoo.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: ebay and American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34577	From: Bill Lange	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34578	From: Bill Lange	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Locos American Models, Lionel, Showcase Lines, etc:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34579	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34580	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Reporting back on my electrical problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34581	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: wobble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34582	From: Mike Vana	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Great Northern "GP5"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34583	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2580
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34584	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34585	From: conehammer	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Repairing a SIT bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34586	From: Bruce	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: good ebay experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34587	From: Al	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Hunting for junker GP-7, GP-9, or GP-20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34588	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34589	From: jt12313	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Small S depot kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34590	From: Dennis Back	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing a SIT bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34591	From: Dave W	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Oddball 1/64 scale vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34592	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: SIT bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34593	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: 3RAIL &2 RAIL TRACK SORT OF FREE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34594	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: SIT Bellows, I forgot someting!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34595	From: keefer1	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34596	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: OSH CAL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34597	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: SIT Bellows, I forgot someting!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34598	From: Phil K	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Gorilla glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34599	From: Phil K	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Hide glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34600	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Hide glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34601	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Transfer tables vs. Turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34602	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: K-line S offerrings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34603	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: FREE TRACK SORT OF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34604	From: keefer1	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: K-line Heres A link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34605	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: FREE TRACK SORT OF IS GONE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34606	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: K-line links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34607	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-line links to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34609	From: CHARLES BORK	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: American Models U25B convert Coupler to Kadee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34610	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-line links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34611	From: Phil K	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-line S offerings -- SETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34612	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: good ebay experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34613	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line offerings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34614	From: Hannon	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing SIT bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34615	From: Phil K	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing SIT bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34616	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: American Models U25B convert Coupler to Kadee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34617	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34618	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34619	From: beebear	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34620	From: keefer1	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: k-line sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34621	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Fwd: K-Line Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34622	From: Phil K	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Sets -- "I told you so!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34623	From: trainman634	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Trouble - Free Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34624	From: NASG Library	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: The rest of the NASG Pullmans are here!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34625	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34626	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34627	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34628	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34629	From: Hannon	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Bellows Material - Great Idea!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34630	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Bellows Material - Great Idea!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34631	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34632	From: n n	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34633	From: n n	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Logo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34634	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34635	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34636	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer F9 Twin A units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34637	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer F9 Twin A units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34638	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Pikemaster Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34639	From: trainman634	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: American Flyer Ebay Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34640	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Ebay Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34641	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Ebay Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34642	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Can Motor Spring Special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34643	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34644	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Looking for item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34645	From: beebear	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34646	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Logo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34647	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34648	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34649	From: gchidester@mail.manti.com	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Ebay Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34650	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34651	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34652	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34653	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34654	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: THE ROYAL BLUE (in scale)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34655	From: John Foley	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: NASG Heavyweight Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34656	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Gilbert 3/16-inch scale comparisons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34657	From: trainspeak	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: 26726 box of 24 half straight roadbed sections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34658	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Gilbert 3/16-inch scale comparisons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34659	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert 3/16-inch scale comparisons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34660	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: K-Line Discussion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34661	From: knockbill	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: ACG 3/16 engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34662	From: Bruce	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: K-Line steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34663	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Trip Your Trigger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34664	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34665	From: trainnut2us	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Llionel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34666	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34667	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Trip Your Trigger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34668	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Discussion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34669	From: Bruce Willis	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34670	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: NEW TRACK CLEANING BOXCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34671	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Allentown Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34672	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34673	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34674	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam Sante Fe Logo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34675	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34676	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34677	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Corgi PCC Street Cars and S Gauge operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34678	From: Phil K	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: K-Line sets (Future endeavors) from Jerry Matsick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34679	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Disney Historical Train Site.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34680	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Allentown Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34681	From: T Larson	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: JD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34682	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2587 - K-Line sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34683	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34684	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Rare ebay item!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34685	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Let's give K-Line a chance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34686	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34688	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Heavy Duty Equipment on Flat Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34689	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Rare ebay item!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34690	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Corgi PCC Street Cars and S Gauge operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34691	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Rare ebay item!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34692	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Rare ebay item!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34693	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34694	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34695	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: John Deere & Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34696	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34697	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Mikado update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34698	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34699	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34700	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: ATTACK OF THE GIANT LOBSTER CLAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34701	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34702	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Gilbert Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34703	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: K-line poll on S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34704	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34705	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588 - "New" K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34706	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588 - "New" K-Line - Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34707	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: 2 cents worth of banter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34708	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Trains on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34709	From: Phil K	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34710	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado update... good potatoes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34711	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34712	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: What will you accept?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34713	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: What will you accept?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34714	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re;re;What will you accept.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34715	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34716	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34717	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34718	From: keefer1	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: kline "fat " trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34719	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Re;re;What will you accept.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34720	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34721	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34722	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34723	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34724	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: The K-line offerings, more thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34725	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: My EOL Posting on the Kline Big Boy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34726	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Flyonel Over Charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34727	From: G. Elems	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: K-Line Santa Fe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34728	From: roy inman	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34729	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: AF scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34730	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: AF scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34731	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34732	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Layout Evolution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34733	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34734	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: K-line S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34735	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34736	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: 1:64 Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34737	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: What will you accept? - a RR crossiing...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34738	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide - The end
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34739	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Don't forget to vote in the K-Line poll...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34740	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Great steam DVD set for cheap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34741	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: South West Alabama - Fairhope model train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34742	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34743	From: roy inman	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide - The end
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34744	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34745	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2589
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34746	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: WAY OOF TOPIC... AIRPLANES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34747	From: roy inman	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2589
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34748	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34749	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Gilbert Slot Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34750	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Kline improvements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34751	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2589
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34752	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2589
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34753	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: relays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34754	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Greeting! yes I am back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34755	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2590 - K-Line folies.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34756	From: jt12313	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: The loop works!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34757	From: roy inman	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Greeting! yes I am back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34758	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34759	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: OK, time to get back on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34760	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34761	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34762	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Greeting! yes I am back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34763	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34764	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1:64 Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34765	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: relays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34766	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34767	From: firex43	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: 290 Pilot Truck Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34768	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34769	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Relays and couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34770	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Rail size?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34771	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34772	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Deadline for Pre-orders--2005 Lionel Book 1--March 4th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34773	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34774	From: Doug	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34775	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34776	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: K-Line etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34777	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Rail heights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34778	From: sjtewks	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Rivet counter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34779	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34780	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: k-line vs flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34781	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Loco Matic,TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34782	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Rail heights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34783	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Loco Matic,TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34784	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Boxcars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34785	From: keefer1	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: lionel gulf 9100 tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34786	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34787	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2591
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34788	From: Fred Alles	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Bell for 759 Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34789	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Bert's Back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34790	From: fiantoni	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: AF 370 GM GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34791	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re my question on relays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34792	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: Re my question on relays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34793	From: John G	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: Bell for 759 Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34794	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: Bell for 759 Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34795	From: trainman634	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: S-Helper Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34796	From: gchidester@mail.manti.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34797	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Grading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34798	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34799	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Grading add on
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34800	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34801	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34802	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34803	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: New Showcase Line Cars from S Helper Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34804	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF 370 GM GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34805	From: robbyking13	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Don't forget to vote in the K-Line poll...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34806	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34807	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34808	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34809	From: beebear	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34810	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34811	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34812	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: China Flyer items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34813	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34814	From: John Foley	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Another plug for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34815	From: Phil K	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: K-Line poll update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34816	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Congrats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34817	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34818	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Another plug for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34819	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34820	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: ding ding ding danger bell wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34821	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34822	From: roy inman	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34823	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: S Gaugian Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34824	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34825	From: John Foley	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: NASG/AM HW Pasenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34826	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34827	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34828	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34829	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34830	From: Phil K	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34831	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34832	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Rumors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34833	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34834	From: conehammer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: ebay and 'catching the spirit of competition'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34835	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34836	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: eBay v. value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34837	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34838	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: display,ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34839	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: K-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34840	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34841	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: ebay and 'catching the spirit of competition'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34842	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Fw: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34843	From: geep39	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: eBay Shenanigans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34844	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: K-Line Rumor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34845	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34846	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34847	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re :ebay and 'catching the spirit of competition'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34848	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: 2005 K-Line Book 1 S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34849	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34850	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34851	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: K Line 2005 First Edition Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34852	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34853	From: Phil K	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: "Sniping" is integral part of auction bidding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34854	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: China Flyer items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34855	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: China Flyer items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34856	From: Phil K	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Talk about crazy auction results . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34857	From: robbyking13	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34858	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Bidding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34859	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34860	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2595
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34861	From: joan dienst	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: Talk about crazy auction results . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34862	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: I have the K-line 2005 First Addition Catalog in my hands!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34863	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: I have the K-line 2005 First Addition Catalog in my hands!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34864	From: jt12313	Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Kitbashing grain elevators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34865	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Fw: DG Productions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34866	From: bruce weidner	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: rolling stock I wish some one would make
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34867	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: rolling stock I wish some one would make
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34868	From: beebear	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: rolling stock I wish some one would make
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34869	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: New Items and review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34870	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34871	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: AF part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34872	From: Phil K	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Mikado marathon & Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34873	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: AF part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34874	From: rj4010d	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Justed Listed on EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34875	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: AF part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34876	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re;Mikado marathon & Suethe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34877	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34878	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34879	From: keefer1	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: SIT HOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34880	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: horn question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34881	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Smoke Tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34882	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34883	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Mikado marathon & Suethe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34884	From: conehammer	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Number 1 dumb question for Monday, 3/7/05
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34885	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Go to "Conversions and Kit Bashing" file
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34886	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: AF Part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34887	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Number 1 dumb question for Monday, 3/7/05
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34888	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34889	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34890	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Lionel 6-49815 No. 741 Handcar and Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34891	From: velapoldi	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34892	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34893	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Lionel 6-49815 No. 741 Handcar and Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34895	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Change of E-Mail Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34896	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: SIT tube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34897	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: My questions on relays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34898	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34899	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34900	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: New Handcar & Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34901	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: More K-Line Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34902	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34903	From: Colin Olsen	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Short out or stopping in a switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34904	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Short out or stopping in a switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34905	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Hobby Shops to visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34906	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: K-Line poll update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34907	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops to visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34908	From: jt12313	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: K-line steamer sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34909	From: keefer1	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: More K-Line Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34910	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Way off topic........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34911	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34912	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Train Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34913	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: 18v bulb sources
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34914	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Yeah, I know...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34915	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34916	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: 18v bulb sources
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34917	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Way off topic........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34918	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Paint colors on 1:1 steam locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34919	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Train Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34920	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34921	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: March AF train list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34922	From: keefer1	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: polls , k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34923	From: beebear	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34924	From: John Frankforther	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Florida Hobby Shops to visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34925	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: York Motels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34926	From: Doug	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Train Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34927	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34928	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34929	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Lionel stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34930	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Train Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34931	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Opinions - we all have 'em
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34932	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34933	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: New uses for over the hill box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34934	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34935	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34936	From: wintermutedm	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: New uses for over the hill box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34937	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34938	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: TOO MUCH ..TOO LATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34939	From: David Engle	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: TOO MUCH ..TOO LATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34940	From: John Foley	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: NASG/AM HW's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34941	From: John Foley	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Timonium MD Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34942	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: TOO MUCH ..TOO LATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34943	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Track building info?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34944	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Happy S Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34945	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: Happy S Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34946	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: Happy S Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34947	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34948	From: NASG Library	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [nasgmembers] NASG/AM HW's]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34949	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Story about a trainstore in Orange County, CA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34950	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Public apology for not responding regarding my 20440 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34951	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Celebrate National S-Gauge Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34952	From: Mac	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34953	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Ebay question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34954	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2603
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34955	From: John Foley	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Pullman Green Heavy Weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34956	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34957	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Re: Transformer power draw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34958	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Re: Celebrate National S-Gauge Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34959	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34960	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: Sears Christmas Catalog 1952
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34961	From: Bruce	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Marklin S-Gauge?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34962	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Auction today the 12th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34963	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: S day - St. Patrick's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34964	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34965	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34966	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: S day - St. Patrick's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34967	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34968	From: G C	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34969	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34970	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: [Strains] Digest Number 2605
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34971	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34972	From: firex43	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: 3-16 Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34973	From: Chris	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: YORK!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34974	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34975	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34976	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: Grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34977	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34978	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Celebrate National S-Gauge Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34979	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: YORK!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34980	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34981	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Fw: [toytrainstrading] AF B&O MIKADO SET FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34982	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: S Violations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34983	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: S Violations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34984	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34985	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Grades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34986	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2606
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34987	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: extra boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34988	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2606
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34989	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: The Laws Railroad museum needs your input--Save the Water Tank.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34990	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: I got sniped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34991	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34992	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Meaningful Subjects - Please Read
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34993	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34994	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: Save the Water Tank.....Careful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34995	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2606
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34996	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34997	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34998	From: esetterman	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: am k-4 &flyer alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 34999	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35000	From: keefer1	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: cool ebay item gilbert erector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35001	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: --Save the Water Tank.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35002	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Photo of Laws' Tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35003	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: More photos of Laws {SP's Narrow Gauge}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35004	From: stepdad56	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: cool ebay item gilbert erector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35005	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Walthers Cornerstone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35006	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35007	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re;am k4&flyer alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35008	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35009	From: Dave W	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Flyer 310 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35010	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re; flyer alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35011	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: cool ebay item gilbert erector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35012	From: keefer1	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: the erector hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35013	From: Bruce	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Happy S-Gauge Day!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35014	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos / AM PAs ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35015	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos / AM PAs ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35016	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos / AM PAs ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35017	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: 3-16 Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35018	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: All kidding aside....off topic, but still about "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35019	From: John G	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35020	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation and Flyonel Alco PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35021	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35022	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35023	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: SHS cars for Sale and some Lionnel flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35024	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Well I guess I'll have to learn how to sell on ebay since
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35025	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Re: Happy S-Gauge Day!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35026	From: Phil K	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Everyone invited to Chicagoland S-Gaugers meeting Fri. Mar. 18
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35027	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: SMOKE FLUID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35028	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Loco hiccups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35029	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Re: A good match - AF track and K Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35030	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: York Badge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35031	From: firex43	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Help Wanted with a Miller S-2 Switcher and Uncoupling Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35032	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2005
Subject: MIKADO FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35033	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35034	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: Walthers Cornerstone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35035	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: "S Guage Heralds"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35036	From: jt12313	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re-trucking and remotering flyonel geeps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35037	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Restoring a Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35038	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: S Mod Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35039	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: DCC & Showcase Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35040	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: DCC & Showcase Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35041	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: Re-trucking and remotering flyonel geeps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35042	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re;Pikemaster track & switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35043	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: DCC & Showcase Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35044	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: cas wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35045	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Pikemaster track & switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35046	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Pikemaster track & switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35047	From: Robert King	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: A good match - AF track and K Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35048	From: Dave W	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: C-D Gauge (Cleveland Design) / S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35049	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: C-D Gauge (Cleveland Design) / S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35050	From: John Foley	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: NASG Josh Seltzer Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35051	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: MIKADO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35053	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: I'm a little confused and need clarification on something
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35054	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Re: C-D Gauge (Cleveland Design) / S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35055	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Re: I'm a little confused and need clarification on something
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35056	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Flyonel PA revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35057	From: G. Elems	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: New Hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35058	From: John Foley	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: East Coast Hobby Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35059	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel PA revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35060	From: hellonc99	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Aircraft Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35061	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Repairing Atlantic Steam Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35062	From: Tom	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35063	From: jcbandstra	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Enhorning F7 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35064	From: colleenandrob	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Smoke coil and wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35065	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35066	From: Art	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Aircraft Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35067	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing Atlantic Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35068	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Fun with cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35069	From: John G	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Smoke coil and wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35070	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2614
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35071	From: Chris Burger	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Frame for an F unit shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35072	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Train Spam!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35073	From: Reddington	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Palm Beach Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35074	From: John Braker	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: 944 af crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35075	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: TRANSFER TABLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35076	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: Car and Loco numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35077	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: WHEELSET TRADE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35078	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Flyer get-together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35079	From: Phil K	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: K-Line poll update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35080	From: John Foley	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: NASG/AM Heavy Weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35081	From: Mike Vana	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: K-Line S vs. AF, Marx, and Turbocharged Alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35082	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35083	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Last cars in my Spring Cleaning 2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35084	From: beebear	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35085	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Re: odd 5 digit numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35086	From: Mike Albert	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: 761 Semaphore operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35087	From: roy inman	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: FW: RI cars in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35088	From: Dave W	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Marxist list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35089	From: roy inman	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: RI cars in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35090	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Re: odd 5 digit numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35091	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35092	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: 761 Semaphore operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35093	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Undecorated hopper-sorta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35094	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: F9 Diesels - What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35095	From: lastman	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: Undecorated hopper-sorta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35096	From: John Foley	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Decals & Details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35097	From: John Foley	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: Just what S Needs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35098	From: lastman	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: re , for sale " 1990 THE PONY EXPRESS " NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35099	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: Just what S Needs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35100	From: Dave W	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: S scale printable buildings uploaded
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35101	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35102	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35103	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: F9 Diesels - What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35104	From: butchclimax	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Static Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35105	From: rexputt	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Rex Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35106	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35107	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35108	From: John Foley	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: TCA Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35109	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Frontiersman car question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35110	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Satin silver paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35111	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35112	From: lastman	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: for sale ,PONY EXPRESS 1990 .... SOLD THANK YOU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35113	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Calling all scratchbuilders and kitbashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35114	From: Shughart, Larry	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35115	From: beebear	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: York?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35116	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35117	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Kadee Coupler Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35118	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35119	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35120	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35121	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35122	From: Robert Boring	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Kadee Coupler Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35123	From: DougK	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35124	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Kadee Coupler Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35125	From: {USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35126	From: lastman	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: " 1990 PONY EXPRESS " has been sold , thank you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35127	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Northern Pacific Lionel/Flyer passenger cars for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35128	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35129	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35130	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35131	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35132	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35133	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: The new look at Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35134	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35135	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: The new look at Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35136	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: 1965 Press Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35137	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: weekly chat - no changes here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: PONY EXPRESS ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35139	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35140	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: FLYERTOWN IN NJ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35141	From: hspanier2000	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Postwar American Flyer Manhattan Showroom Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35142	From: b_way_ltd	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: The Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35143	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35144	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: The new look at Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35145	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: The Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35146	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Last Call: 2005 K-Line S Gauge Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35147	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35148	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: 1965 Press Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35149	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35150	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: S Gauge GG-1 For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35151	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1965 Press Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35153	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: SETS FOR SALE LOWER PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35154	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35155	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35156	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: LED Series Resistance Calculator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35157	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Module Building Tips by Calvin Azarowicz & Ted Zanders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35158	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35159	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: New Photo Album at MyFlyerTrains.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35160	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35161	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: LTI SETS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35162	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re: Static Beacon - Lipstick on a pig?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35163	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re: The new look at Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35164	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re: Static Beacon - Lipstick on a pig?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35165	From: Bruce	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Austin, TX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35166	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35167	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35168	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Coupler question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35169	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Coupler question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35170	From: conehammer	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35171	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: S structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35172	From: trainman634	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: K-Line Porter Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35173	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line Porter switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35174	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: How famous is Stumpy?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35175	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Ob car antenna
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35176	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Franklin bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35177	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2623
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35178	From: doug_cnw	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: 25071 Tie Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35179	From: N Becker	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: 973 Milk Car Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35180	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Thanks for suggestions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35181	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35182	From: John Foley	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] S structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35183	From: David Engle	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] S structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35184	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35185	From: Phil K	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Comet PB unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35186	From: Phil K	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Last call for K-Line poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35187	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35188	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Coupler question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35189	From: John Foley	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] S structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35190	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: 25071 Tie Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35191	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35192	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Tender truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35193	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: SETS LEFT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35194	From: NASG Library	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: NASG CNR Pullman car remediation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35195	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Porters working today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35196	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 25071 Tie Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35197	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35198	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35199	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35200	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: #961 Jefferson in satin finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35201	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35202	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35204	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: America Flyer Engine - Tyco Transformer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35205	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35206	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: NEW HUDSON.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35207	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35208	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: NEW HUDSON.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35209	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35210	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: #961 Jefferson in satin finish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35211	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35212	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35213	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35214	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35215	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: NOT TOY train related--BMW vs. Freight Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35216	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: Re; NOT TOY related-BMW vs train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35217	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: Flyer Set Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35218	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: I want a loco like this !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35219	From: roy inman	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35220	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35221	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re;Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35222	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35223	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2626
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35224	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2626 (Set Box markings)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35225	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: BLATANT eBay ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35226	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: S-Trains membership is up!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35227	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35228	From: conehammer	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Quartering drivers- continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35229	From: clifma19	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: repair question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35230	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35231	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: S. Falls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35232	From: conehammer	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Lettering and road names- choice of techniques?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35233	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- BLATANT ADV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35234	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35235	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35236	From: wge300	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Pull-Mor wheels/tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35237	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35238	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Fw: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35239	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: email address change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35240	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: Re: PM diesel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35241	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers -- continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35242	From: Reddington	Date: 4/6/2005
Subject: Palm Beach Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35243	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2005
Subject: Train Show Sunday the 10th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35244	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 4/6/2005
Subject: Weird track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35245	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: Weird track - 4 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35246	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: Weird track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35247	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Comet Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35248	From: fjg1870	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: York Itinerary?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35249	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: York Itinerary?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35250	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: York Itinerary?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35251	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: East Coast Hobby Show in Phiadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35252	From: John Foley	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: East Coast Hobby Show in Phiadelphia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35253	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35254	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35255	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: April American Flyer list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Question: Diesel Horn Generator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35257	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35258	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35259	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Question: Lockout Eliminator and Flyonel Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35260	From: John Claudino	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: The V&T Railroad Lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35261	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35262	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: off topic - changing email address - other options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35263	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35264	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35265	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Barb's York Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35266	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Bob's question re: Lockout eliminators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35267	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35268	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: Question: Lockout Eliminator and Flyonel Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35269	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: eBay Item #5961125710, "1955 American Flyer 401 Dealer Display 8 x
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35270	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Diesel Horn Generator and other electrical curiosities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35271	From: northern83113	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: af 24558 canadian national flat car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35272	From: Jim Marski	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: All Aboard Winter Wonderland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35273	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: NP SET FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35274	From: T Larson	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Open Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35275	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Maximum Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35276	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: All Aboard Winter Wonderland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35277	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: af 24558 canadian national flat car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35278	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: off topic - trivia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35279	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: All Aboard Winter Wonderland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35280	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: Maximum Grade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35281	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35282	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Panama Railroad Trivia Answer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35283	From: Dave W	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Pre-War Flyer 3/16"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35284	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35285	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35286	From: knockbill	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: Panama RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35287	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: Re: Pre-War Flyer 3/16"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35288	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: Boise Depot Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35289	From: JMatt	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: Re: York - Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35290	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: NPSG APRIL NEWS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35291	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: WHILE IN YORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35292	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: yORK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35293	From: Bruce	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Re: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35294	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: The American Flyer Collector's Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35295	From: mytrains@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: York-Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35296	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Double crossing 725???? Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35297	From: NASG Library	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35298	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Re: Double crossing 725???? Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35299	From: firex43	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Trying to Locate Ed Davis, Sr.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35300	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Submit best offer???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35301	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: MAKE AN OFFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35302	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35303	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Double crossing 725???? Maybe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35304	From: roy inman	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35305	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: wHISTLE TUBE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35306	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35307	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2637
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35308	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Ebay Best Offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35309	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: ERECTOR (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35310	From: Bob Anson	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: looking for info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35311	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Franklin Parts List Exploded View
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35312	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Parts List Exploded View
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35313	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Parts List Exploded View
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35314	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: The Latest from Stumpyland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35315	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Brookside Milk reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35316	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35317	From: roy inman	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Katy car-off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35318	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35319	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35320	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Change of Venue for the Gilbert Get-Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35321	From: lember2004	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Interchangability of AF operating accessory barrels and boxes quest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35322	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Change of Venue for the Gilbert Get-Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35323	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Change of Venue for the Gilbert Get-Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35324	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Franklin Parts List Exploded View
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35325	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Interchangability of AF operating accessory barrels and boxes q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35326	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: A little York help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35327	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Brookside Milk reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35328	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: A little York help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35329	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/16/2005
Subject: SHS Pre-York Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35330	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 4/16/2005
Subject: Re: Submit best offer???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35331	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: SHS Pre-York Sale (corrected)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35332	From: fuschettomike	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Wire Handrails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35333	From: Bob W.	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Rubber Roadbed Template Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35334	From: JMatt	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Re: Chat tonight?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35335	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Re: Wire Handrails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35336	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Train related, but NOT toy train !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35337	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: Re;train related,but not toy train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35338	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: TMCC set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35339	From: Phil K	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: Re: Train related, but NOT toy train !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35340	From: Phil K	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: 2004 NASG and Gilbert Heritage Society pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35341	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: RPO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35342	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: SIT Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35343	From: hspanier2000	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: AF "S" Gauge Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35344	From: Jim Marski	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: York meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35345	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: S Gauge MOW by western depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35346	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF "S" Gauge Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35347	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF "S" Gauge Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35348	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: SIT Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35349	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Comet Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35350	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Comet Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35351	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Comet Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35352	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Paint list is needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35353	From: JMatt	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Top Service and Complete Satisfaction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35354	From: beebear	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Amalgamated Roadstone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35355	From: John	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35356	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: repainting...... off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35357	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35358	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35359	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35360	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35361	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Heavyweight RPO and Baggage Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35362	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Fwd: re: Top Service and Complete Satisfaction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35363	From: lember2004	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Interchangability of AF operating accessory barrels and boxes q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35364	From: roy inman	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: NEW EVENING CLASSES FOR MEN]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35365	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Paint list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35366	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge MOW by western depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35367	From: Phil K	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: About trains, but not about toy trains, not at all...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35368	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge MOW by western depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35369	From: Phil K	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Corrected stats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35370	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Rubber tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35371	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: SIT problems solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35372	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge MOW by western depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35373	From: keefer1	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: not S but TRAIN for the CA.Folks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35374	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: TCA YORK SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35375	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Decal maker sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35376	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Appology to Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35377	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Re: Decal maker sought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35378	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: American Flyer Downunder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35379	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge Mow cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35380	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: S Scale PRR Head end train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35381	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2645
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35382	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Bulkhead Flat Cars added to Showcase Line Internet Special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35383	From: Phil K	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Buying "factory sealed and unopened Flyer"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35384	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: New items--Blatant adv.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35385	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35386	From: Phil K	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Oops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35387	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35388	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Af tunnel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35389	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35390	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35391	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35392	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35393	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35394	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35395	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian, Flyer Collectors Newsletter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35396	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35397	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35398	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35399	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re;S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35400	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35401	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35402	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35403	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re;re;S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35404	From: G C	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35405	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Factory Sealed Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35406	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35407	From: Phil K	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35408	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: A: Re: [S-Trains] RE: S Gaugian B: Re: how do you mount AM truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35409	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: A: Re: [S-Trains] RE: S Gaugian B: Re: how do you mount AM t
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35410	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35411	From: cheri221@comcast.net	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Southern California
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35412	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35413	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35414	From: roy inman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35415	From: roy inman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35416	From: Ronald Inscho	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian / nasg members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35417	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35418	From: JMatt	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-train members and York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35419	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Saving S Gaugian Articles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35420	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-train members and York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35421	From: Phil K	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: K-Line sets etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35422	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE"S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35423	From: Phil K	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35424	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: NP SET FOR SALE LTI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35425	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35426	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: Saving S Gaugian Articles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35427	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: NP SET FOR SALE LTI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35428	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: [On30conspiracy] Dang! Its snowing in April!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35429	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Fw: [On30conspiracy] Dang! Its snowing in April!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35430	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35431	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: NP LTI SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35432	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE"S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35433	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: K-Line Dates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35434	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35435	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE"S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35436	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35437	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35438	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Recycling 'S' magazines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35439	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Recycling 'S' magazines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35440	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35441	From: beebear	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35442	From: beebear	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Recycling 'S' magazines...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35443	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35444	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge in the movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35445	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35446	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Joe Pereira???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35447	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Looking for new Handcars from Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35448	From: race944t	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: S-gaugers @ York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35449	From: firex43	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: On-line "S" Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35450	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2648 / S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35451	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35452	From: JMatt	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Just like the Jeffersons!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35453	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35454	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Tucson area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35455	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Day 1 at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35456	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35457	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35458	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Magazine subscriptions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35459	From: Mike Albert	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Port lines hobby supply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35460	From: Mike Albert	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: 596 Water Tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35461	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35462	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: TMCC track controllers for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35463	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: [S trains] The magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35464	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35465	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: York Envy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35466	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35467	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: number of s gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35468	From: beebear	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35469	From: roy inman	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35470	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Divers discover, protect rare pre-Civil War steam engines off New J
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35471	From: Phil K	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35472	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: AM/SHS Combinations.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35473	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Divers discover, protect rare pre-Civil War steam engines off N
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35474	From: nflomenb	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35475	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35476	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: number of s gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35477	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: AM/SHS Combinations.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35478	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35479	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: number of s gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35480	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35481	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35482	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35483	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: PONY EXPRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35484	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35485	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: York--Day 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35486	From: steveterni	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Request for advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35487	From: roy inman	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Crystal River Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35488	From: roy inman	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35489	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35490	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge in the movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35491	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35492	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: York! Eye Surgery, Neil Young
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35493	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: York--Day 3--Parking at NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35494	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: s-gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35495	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35496	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35497	From: roy inman	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35498	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates of number of S gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35499	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: New Mags
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35500	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35501	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: K-Line vs. SHS/AM S Equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35502	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35503	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Z Stuff For Trains - Or other Flashing Crossbucks, Zigzags, Crossin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35504	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line vs. SHS/AM S Equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35505	From: jt12313	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Metalic composition of geep chassies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35506	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line vs. SHS/AM S Equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35507	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Z Stuff For Trains - Or other Flashing Crossbucks, Zigzags, Cro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35508	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: magazines and "red Camaros"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35509	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: magazines and "red Camaros"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35510	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Z-stuff for trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35511	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: York--DAy 4, "Yorkin' at the Fairgrounds"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35512	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Z-stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35513	From: Phil K	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Re: York--DAy 4, "Yorkin' at the Fairgrounds"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35514	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Discussion of S gauge problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35515	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35516	From: James	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Western Regional "S" NASG Convention "2004"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35517	From: Roger Walton	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: York thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35518	From: beebear	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: S gauge track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35519	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: Re;Discussion of S gauge problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35520	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: S Gauge GG-1 For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35521	From: roy inman	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Discussion of S gauge problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35522	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: Re: Metalic composition of geep chassies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35523	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: TV promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35524	From: lember2004	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35525	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35526	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35527	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: DEALER LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35528	From: MHoffman@mahalaw.com	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: drawbar on 312 (1946)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35529	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Working the halls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35530	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Sites and sounds of York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35531	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Site and sounds, part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35532	From: Gregg	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Sibley (Boy's RR Club) AF Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35533	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: York Gilbert Get Together and the Department Store Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35534	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: K-Line Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35535	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: 720A Switch operation/wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35536	From: nflomenb	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Precautions with Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35537	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35538	From: wintermutedm	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: DEALER LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35539	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: Precautions with Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35540	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: Precautions with Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35541	From: Gregg	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: Sibley (Boy's RR Club) AF Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35542	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35543	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: York Gilbert Get Together and the Department Store Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35544	From: Gregg	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: PRR E8 Excursion - 4/30/05
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35545	From: John Foley	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: NASG HW's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35546	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: DEALER LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35547	From: Phil K	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35548	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: MoPac CARS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35549	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: LED INFO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35550	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: York! Day One
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35551	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: York Day One addition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35552	From: lou342ac	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: DAVE DEWEY!! DUNSMUIR RAILROAD DAYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35554	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: The Railroads of Australia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35555	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35556	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35557	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35558	From: Dennis Back	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: DAVE DEWEY!! DUNSMUIR RAILROAD DAYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35559	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Re;K-Line steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35560	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: NASG membership applications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35561	From: JMatt	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: York - S-Train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35562	From: Mike Vana	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Chinese Price Increases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35563	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Chinese Price Increases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35564	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: K-Line Steamers: Yes or No?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35565	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35566	From: Phil K	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: UP derailment in Illinois shuts down Overland Route (pics)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35567	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer Cheap S Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35568	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35569	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35570	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: York - S-Train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35571	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Source for Inside-Threaded Metal Tubes Accepting 2-56 Screws?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35572	From: beebear	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35573	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: AF train list for May
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35574	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: York - S-Train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35575	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Chinese Price Increases - nearly on the subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35576	From: Chris	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35577	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: DAVE DEWEY!! DUNSMUIR RAILROAD DAYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35578	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35579	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Barb R. was Re: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35580	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35581	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Barb R. was Re: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35582	From: roy inman	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35583	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35584	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35585	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Kaslo Rib Side (was Milwaukee Rd Caboose)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35586	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35587	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: York Budget
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35588	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35589	From: roy inman	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35590	From: Phil K	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Cleaning up train photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35591	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: K-Line Pacific in 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35592	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: I'm Home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35593	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Just arrived at S-Helper Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35594	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Blantant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35595	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: Barb's Back home & Dunsmuir's RR Days
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35597	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: T&M PRICE GUIDE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35598	From: race944t	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: Milwaukee happenings next week??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35599	From: race944t	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: York sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35600	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Digest 2660 - National Railroad Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35601	From: Mike Vana	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Milw Rd Wide Vision Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35602	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: T&M PRICE GUIDES BLATANT AFD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35603	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Trains...but NOT toy related
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35604	From: beebear	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Trains...but NOT toy related
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35605	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Trains...but NOT toy related
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35606	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: An "O" gauge passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35607	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: AF 355 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35608	From: trainman634	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Sheet metal boxcar frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35609	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Mother's Day with trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35610	From: ecphora123	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Warped AF Flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35611	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: I need parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35612	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35613	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35614	From: Jim Marski	Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35615	From: Phil K	Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: UP Galt wreck revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35616	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: 2 engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35617	From: lember2004	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: replies to my switch wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35618	From: JMatt	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Mikado vs Gilbert AF Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35619	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2663
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35620	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [toytrains] Open House]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35621	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re;Lionel Mikado vs AF Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35622	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: K-Line/Discussion of S gauge problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35623	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel Mikado vs AF Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35624	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Layout Upadte
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35625	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Portlines track cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35626	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35627	From: lember2004	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: transformer recommendation for Gilbert AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35628	From: hobo47203	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35629	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35630	From: roy inman	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35631	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Mikado vs Gilbert AF Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35632	From: roy inman	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35633	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35634	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35635	From: JMatt	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Fantastic - Fantastic "Barbs" Oil Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35636	From: Phil K	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35637	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35638	From: John G	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: transformer recommendation for Gilbert AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35639	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: TM PRICE GUIDES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35640	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35641	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Recycled Gargraves Track - In Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35642	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Barb's Mountain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35643	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Re Barb's Refinery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35644	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: K-LINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35645	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Woodland Scenics "Dogs & Cats"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35646	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Re; Dogs & Cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35647	From: conehammer	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35648	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35649	From: beebear	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: K-LINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35650	From: John G	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35651	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Track Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35652	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Slightly off-topic, an online AMTRAK support poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35653	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: 30B TRANSFORMER FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35654	From: Fred Alles	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Tender for a 314 AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35657	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: Track Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35658	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Answers to Oil Depot and Fencing Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35659	From: lember2004	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: wither AF 755A talking station?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35660	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: 755A Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35661	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35662	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Sound Upgrades for "S" Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35663	From: Phil K	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: NASG officer elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35664	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Semaphore repair question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35665	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35666	From: JeryJones3@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Visit Cape Cod and see some Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35667	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: NASG officer elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35668	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Sunday Night Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35669	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: A question and an observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35670	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: NASG officer elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35671	From: bruce weidner	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: blatant commericalism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35672	From: Phil K	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Four-rail O track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35673	From: race944t	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Green Bay Nat RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35674	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: A question and an observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35675	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35676	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35677	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35678	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections - online voting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35679	From: lember2004	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Wither AF 755A talking station? - Answers Received
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35680	From: Phil K	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: Green Bay Nat RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35681	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: NASG Elections, Part Deux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35682	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35683	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: [S-Trains] NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35684	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35685	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: Elections,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35686	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35687	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: ANAHEIM AREA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35688	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35689	From: roy inman	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] talking station -New version
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35690	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Spring "S" Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35691	From: L. Webb	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Train Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35692	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: News from SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35693	From: lember2004	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Should an AF diesel work this way?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35694	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: T&M GUIDES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35695	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: ANAHEIM AREA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35696	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Trip to Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35697	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: ANAHEIM AREA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35698	From: John Gibson	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Trip to Sacramento
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35699	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: ANAHEIM AREA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35700	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2671
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35701	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Paul Yorke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35702	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35703	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Jacksonville, Florida visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35704	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35705	From: JMatt	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35706	From: Steve Roche	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Southern Calif train stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35707	From: roy inman	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Flyer, Flonel couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35708	From: Mac	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35709	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer, Flonel couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35710	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35711	From: Doug	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35712	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35713	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: #670 Track Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35714	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35715	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35716	From: Henry Buehling	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35717	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35718	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35719	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35720	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35721	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: the Late James Edward's PCC Trolley Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35722	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Ebay - S-helper From Kelvin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35723	From: lember2004	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35724	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2673
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35725	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: My first S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35726	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35727	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: A bit more about the K-Line Porter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35728	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35729	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: PRR T&HS 2005 part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35730	From: JMatt	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: Re: NO CHAT TONIGHT?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35731	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: Re: Am. Flyer 290 repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35732	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35733	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Off topic: S-Ring - Policy Enforcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35734	From: knockbill	Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: 290 repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35735	From: hgetrain	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35736	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35737	From: fhazlehurst@att.net	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35738	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: ANSWERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35739	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: ANSWERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35740	From: lember2004	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: posting ANSWERS to (my) question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35741	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35742	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35743	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35744	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35745	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35746	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: 500!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35747	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35748	From: ORA E BROOKS	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? Answere 24 May '05
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35749	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35750	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Am. Flyer 290 Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35751	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: FLASH...K-Line Porter update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35752	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: beginning the process
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35753	From: firex43	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Info on AF 785 & 23785
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35754	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2677
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35755	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35756	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35757	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35758	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: JL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35759	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: 1/64 firetrucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35760	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35761	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: MODEL CONTEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35762	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: 1/64 Hess Helicopter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35763	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35764	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 Repair, fixing reversing unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35765	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: PikeMaster problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35766	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: Am. Flyer 290 Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35767	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35768	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Painting Plastics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35769	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Painting Plastics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35770	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Michigan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35771	From: beebear	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Painting Plastics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35772	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Alternative to Solder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35773	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Painting Plastics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35774	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35775	From: beebear	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Looking for a junk Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35776	From: beebear	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Looking for Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35777	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Looking for Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35778	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Painting Plastics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35779	From: Ironhorse	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: MODEL CONTEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35780	From: keefer1	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Metal Gilbert Tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35781	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: NASG conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35782	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35783	From: hobo47203	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Rat Rod - Jade 1/64 vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35784	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: MODEL CONTEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35785	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35786	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: NASG conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35787	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: NASG conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35788	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35789	From: bruce weidner	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Rat Rod - Jade 1/64 vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35790	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2683
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35791	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35792	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35793	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Metal Gilbert Tank Car Kit Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35794	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank Car Kit Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35795	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank Car Kit Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35796	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Speaking of Porter's......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35797	From: John Foley	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35798	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Great Mid-western Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35799	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Painting Plastics (again, clarification)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35800	From: beebear	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Someone asked about this
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35801	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Lionel docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35802	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and S Helper LOCOMATIC Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35803	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and S Helper LOCOMATIC Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35804	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35805	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35806	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35807	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35808	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35809	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35810	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35811	From: fiantoni	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Southern Calif train stores - status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35812	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35813	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Tin or Zinc (was Pikemaster problem)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35814	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Plastic Friendly Paints to Match AF Passenger Green and Dark Red ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35815	From: Mark Credell	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35816	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35817	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Plastic Friendly Paints to Match AF Passenger Green and Dark Re
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35818	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Rail Joint Soldering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35819	From: Ross Roberts	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Invitation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35820	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: New Webring Members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35821	From: Bruce	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Shipping Schedule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35822	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35823	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35824	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2686
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35825	From: John Foley	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Brick Sheets in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35826	From: Carl Wesley	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Drilling American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35827	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2686
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35828	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35829	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: Raleigh GATS Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35830	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: 375 T&P Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35831	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35832	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35833	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: They do too...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35834	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: June AF list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35835	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2688
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35836	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: S scale buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35837	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: AF 625 tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35838	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35839	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re: AF 625 tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35840	From: bkweidner	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: 1/64th cars and trucks pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35841	From: bkweidner	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Casting and molding parts etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35842	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: PRR T &HS and Howie Waelder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35843	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35844	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: Off-Topic Malware Alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35845	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: S-Helper Service B&M DCC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35846	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Franklin Passenger Car Silhouettes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35847	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Off-Topic Malware Alert - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35848	From: Chris Burger	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Passenger Car Silhouettes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35849	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Passenger Car Silhouettes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35850	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2005
Subject: tip De'Jour Tuesday Mornings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35851	From: EagleTrains	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: Model Railroading May Be Hazardous to Your Health???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35852	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: Re;Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35853	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: S Helper Service Open House This Friday and Saturday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35854	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: the layout con't
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35855	From: northern83113	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: michael t kolosseus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35856	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35857	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re;Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35858	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35859	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35860	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Trains-hazardous to your (mental) health??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35861	From: riclouse	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Custom Built Layouts in Southern California area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35862	From: WALTER GAY	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: S-Helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35863	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Custom Built Layouts in Southern California area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35864	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: SHIPPING........ WOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35865	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35866	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35867	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: rebuilding ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35868	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Shipping....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35869	From: afsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: SHS open house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35870	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35871	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35872	From: Brock	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: New house and transitioning to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35873	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35875	From: WALTER GAY	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35876	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35877	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Ocala Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35878	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: CORGI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35879	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: S Helper Service Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35880	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35881	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35882	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35883	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Photo etching your own parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35884	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35885	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35886	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Live train cam on chat tonight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35887	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Coming to Minneapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35888	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35889	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35890	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: SHS Father's Day Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35891	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35892	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Off Topic: Photo Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35893	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35894	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: JL Bronco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35895	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35896	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35897	From: atlantic300	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: SHS Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35898	From: bruce weidner	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: Re: 1:64 th find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35899	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: K-Line Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35901	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: You don't need to make a vacuum board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35902	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35903	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35904	From: bruce weidner	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35905	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: RR Gauge and Horses Anatomy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35906	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: Re: RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35907	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2699
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35908	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: Re: BL-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35909	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: Re;RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35910	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: WARNING - - WARNING...Fake E-Bay messages going around AGAIN.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35911	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35912	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35913	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35915	From: roy inman	Date: 6/18/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35916	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/18/2005
Subject: Gauge..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35917	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35918	From: John G	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: A.C. Gilbert links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35919	From: John G	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35920	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Wagon Ruts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35921	From: T Larson	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: un-filled niche
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35922	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: NASG convention room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35923	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: NYC Steam and other RRs in Classic Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35924	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gauge..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35925	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35926	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35927	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35928	From: Steven Allen	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: SHS UP and GN SW9's for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35929	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: 355 Baldwin for sale (can motored)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35930	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Wagon Ruts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35931	From: T Larson	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: [1:64 Modeling Guide] OFF Topic: Paypal 1:64 Modeling Guide Ann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35932	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Sunday Night Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35933	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35934	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [1:64 Modeling Guide] OFF Topic: Paypal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35935	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: An old topic - Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35936	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35937	From: roy inman	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: New rail museum an invitation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35938	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: ON TOPIC SET 1126
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35939	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: 1126 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35940	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars = Modifying Budd Interiors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35941	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars = Modifying Budd Interiors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35942	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: You don't need to make a vacuum board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35943	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Heavyweight Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35944	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/23/2005
Subject: S Helper Service UP Closeout Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35945	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/24/2005
Subject: Union Pacific logo use
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35946	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/24/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35947	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 6/25/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific logo use
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35948	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/26/2005
Subject: Logo usage, part two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35949	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/26/2005
Subject: Re: Logo usage, part two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35950	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/26/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35951	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"erious "S"peeder "S"tuff........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35952	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"erious "S"peeder "S"tuff........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35953	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35954	From: Ken	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Mr Cheatem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35955	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35956	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re;UP copyright-some good news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35957	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35958	From: ecphora123	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: United Fruit Growers Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35959	From: ecphora123	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: AF Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35960	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: wow......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35961	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Track Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35962	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re: UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35963	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Logo Usage, Part 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35964	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Engine Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35965	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: AF Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35966	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35967	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Dewey, Cheatum & Howe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35968	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35969	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35970	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35971	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35972	From: Ken Garber	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35973	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35974	From: EGesner52@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2712
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35975	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Logo usage, part two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35976	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2712
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35977	From: John G	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35978	From: roy inman	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] An Apology
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35979	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] An Apology re: UP Copyright
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35980	From: trainnut2us	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: speeder discussion on S Scale list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35981	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: Dewey,Cheatum,and Howe, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35982	From: theheadliner	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: Re: UP logo use - my 2 cents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35983	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35984	From: John Foley	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: 05 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35986	From: siroconvoy	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: HELP DOWN UNDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35987	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Hydrocal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35988	From: roy inman	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: UP caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35989	From: siroconvoy	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: HELP DOWN UNDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35990	From: stepdad56	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Re: Dewey,Cheatum,and Howe, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35991	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35992	From: butchclimax	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Can someone shoot me a chute?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35993	From: Karl Raab	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Re: HELP DOWN UNDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35994	From: lember2004	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: How to change AF 772 bubbler?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35995	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Help Down Under
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35996	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: HELP DOWN UNDER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35997	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: To my S Friends (non-train note)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35998	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: Hydrocal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 35999	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: Hydrocal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36000	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: To my S Friends (non-train note)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36001	From: roy inman	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: UP Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36002	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Changing email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36003	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: DL&W DCC Sound Phase II A&B F-3s for sale up on eBay starts at $1.00
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36004	From: roy inman	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: UP caboose II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36005	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2005
Subject: Re: UP caboose II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36006	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/3/2005
Subject: New - Rare Gilbert Catalog online at MyFlyerTrains.Org!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36007	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/3/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36008	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36009	From: Ironhorse	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: Re: Hydrocal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36010	From: Ironhorse	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: Plaster setting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36011	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: Photos of 20550 Frontiersman Set Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36012	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: new AM choices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36013	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/5/2005
Subject: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36014	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: updated S list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36015	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: UP boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36016	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: Good use for an old accessory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36017	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36018	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: MOW cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36019	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36020	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36021	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36022	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Ebay stopwatch.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36023	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36024	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36025	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36026	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36027	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36028	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36029	From: Ken Garber	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Un UP schemes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36030	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid plow on eBay year(s) ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36031	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36032	From: David Engle	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36033	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36034	From: lastman	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36035	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36036	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36037	From: David Engle	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Un UP schemes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36038	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36039	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36040	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36041	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36042	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36043	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36044	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36045	From: Phil K	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL DEFINED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36046	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36047	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36048	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: UP boycott...let's wrap it UP!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36049	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: B C & G
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36050	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Re: B C & G
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36051	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Latest finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36052	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36053	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Re: new name for railroads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36054	From: Chris Burger	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Unusual trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36055	From: Bob W.	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: repro seaboard coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36056	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Re: Unusual trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36057	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36058	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2723
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36059	From: hobo47203	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: National Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36060	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Re: repro seaboard coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36061	From: len_hall@yahoo.com	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Round Top Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36062	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: 583 Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36063	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Gargraves Switches on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36064	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Weather in the South
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36065	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: HO question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36066	From: lember2004	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Replacing bubbler: Answer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36067	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Fw: Franklin.....THE REST OF THE STORY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36068	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Open House - Altoona Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36069	From: Marty	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36070	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36071	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Open for the convention goers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36072	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: 1991 Lionel/Flyer Artwork
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36073	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Hurricane Dennis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36074	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: UP Boycott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36075	From: Marty	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36076	From: N Becker	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Fw: No ‘butts’ about it, UP says no smoking on its property
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36077	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: 583 wiring definition correct?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36078	From: John Foley	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Manufactures I met at the NMRA 2005 Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36079	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switches on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36080	From: John Foley	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Searails, Possible items in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36081	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Toy trains on my music forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36082	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: OUT OF THE CLOSET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36083	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: Wanted: 1/4" O Scale wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36084	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: UP agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36085	From: jt12313	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: UP Legal issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36086	From: lember2004	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: Re: Replacing bubbler: Answer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36087	From: Chris	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: S Trax ...vs...Gargraves.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36088	From: David Engle	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Some Speeder news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36089	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: strange 1:64 finds at The national motor museum mint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36090	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: July Great American Train Show - Orlando - December Tampa Show Canc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36091	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: New engine for sale: S-Helper Service SP AB DCC Sound F-7s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36092	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: Re: S Trax ...vs...Gargraves.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36093	From: louis glumac	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: REPAINTED CARS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36094	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Some Speeder news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36095	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/15/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36096	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: Enhorning & Miller 10 Piece lot *CHEAP*
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36097	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: October York Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36098	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: Re: October York Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36099	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36100	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 7/17/2005
Subject: Stock Yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36101	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/17/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36102	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36103	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36104	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36105	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36106	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36107	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36108	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36109	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/19/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36110	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/19/2005
Subject: Pennsy S Models Website update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36111	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/20/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36112	From: jackotrains	Date: 7/20/2005
Subject: Flyonel UPS Flat w/Trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36113	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Thank you, Thank you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36114	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Orlando Great American Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36115	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Aluminum Pass Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36116	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Aluminum Pass Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36117	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Aluminum Pass Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36118	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Aluminum Pass Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36119	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: www.unionstationphotos.com live at last!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36120	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36121	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: www.unionstationphotos.com live at last!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36122	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: The Northern returns.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36123	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Classic Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36124	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: The Northern returns.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36125	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: S gauge??? when if ever?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36126	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Lionel catalog II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36127	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: free posters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36128	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36129	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: 952 heavyweight???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36130	From: clifma19	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36131	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Re: 952 heavyweight???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36132	From: Ironhorse	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Re: pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36133	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/25/2005
Subject: Shuttin down to do Da 'Toona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36134	From: John Foley	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Rooms at Altoona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36135	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: S SCALE KITS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36136	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36137	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Auto carrier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36138	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Auto carrier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36139	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2740
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36140	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: 952 heavyweight???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36141	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: K-line jerk around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: K-line jerk around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36143	From: keefer1	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: K-line jerk around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36144	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: K-line jerk around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36145	From: Chris Burger	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Lionel Sues K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36146	From: northern83113	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: mike kolosseus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36147	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: RE;Lionel sues K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36148	From: Jack Bartman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Russ Mobely Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36149	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: LEGAL ACTIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36150	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36151	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Convention & Speeder Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36152	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36153	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36154	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36155	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36156	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: 952 Heavyweight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36157	From: keefer1	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 952 Heavyweight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36158	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 952 Heavyweight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36159	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: LAF Norhtern IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36160	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New flyer locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36161	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: size of AF northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36162	From: Tom P	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36163	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36164	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: LAF Norhtern IV Driving wheels and tether
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36165	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel Northern Measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36166	From: keefer1	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV Driving wheels and tether
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36167	From: krk_warner	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: 314AW Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36168	From: ron190sl	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: 1946 sway back Shell tanker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36169	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1946 sway back Shell tanker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36170	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1946 sway back Shell tanker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36171	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: lionel vs. k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36172	From: starr007	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Reproducerm for A.F. Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36173	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36174	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Is Lionel displaying at the NASG Convention ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36175	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36176	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: The Flyonel Northern...talk at the hobby shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36177	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36178	From: dphobbies	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Summer Sale 50% off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36179	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Lessons learned: semaphores, 12VDC relays, bridge rectifiers, and s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36180	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: New Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36181	From: keefer1	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: New Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36182	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36183	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Lessons learned: semaphores, 12VDC relays, bridge r
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36184	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36185	From: Bruce	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Northern listings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36186	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36187	From: JMatt	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Lionel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36188	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Lionel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36189	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36190	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: Northern listings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36191	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36192	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36193	From: butchclimax	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: F-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36194	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: That "rare" 952 w/ opening doors car--it arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36195	From: N Becker	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36196	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re Post of Lionel 2005-2 Catalog PreView
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36197	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36198	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Sound Board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36199	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36200	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36201	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36202	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36203	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Rectiformer-history & parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36204	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Lessons learned: semaphores, 12VDC relays, bridge rect
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36205	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: Recent UP lawsuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36206	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Recent UP lawsuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36207	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36208	From: Harley Jones	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Rectiformer-history & parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36209	From: The Wildlander	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: New forum for making trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36210	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36211	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36212	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Fwd: Auto Rack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36213	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Model Train Show in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36214	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Model Train Show in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36215	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re; Recent UP lawsuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36216	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Model Train Show in Las Vegas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36217	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: SCENES AT NASG ALTOONA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36218	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Northern listings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36219	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36220	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Flyer(all inclusive) section possible on OGR forum if enough intere
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36221	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: TreeMaking off to a good start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36222	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer(all inclusive) section possible on OGR forum if enough in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36223	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: Northern listings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36224	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36225	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36226	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: A Big Thank You, Mfg of the Year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36227	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36228	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: 2005 Vol 2 Lionel Catalog is online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36229	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Licensing; a fact of life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36230	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon Scale Models new Fire House Series
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36231	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: Licensing; a fact of life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36232	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: "UP" Logos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36233	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: 2005 NASG Convention report from Altoona PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36234	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: Licensing; a fact of life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36235	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36236	From: John Foley	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Photos at Altoona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36237	From: Chris Burger	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36238	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36239	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: New! AF Poll on OGR Forum for new S/AF section !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36240	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36241	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36242	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Pickle's Delight, Shamefull Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36243	From: jt12313	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: auto racks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36244	From: theheadliner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36245	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36246	From: theheadliner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36247	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: S gauge on OGR forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36248	From: theheadliner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36249	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36250	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cycling E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36251	From: lember2004	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: layout software recommendation, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36252	From: Jim Marski	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Flyer 3/16 O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36253	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer 3/16 O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36254	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: layout software recommendation, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36255	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cycling E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36257	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Re: Cycling E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36258	From: klaatu1944	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Horn/Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36259	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36260	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: KITS WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36261	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: SHS Classics Sale - One Week Left!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36262	From: firex43	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Cycling E Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36263	From: EagleTrains	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Re: layout software recommendation, please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36264	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: TCA "e-Train" Online Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36265	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: S gauge poll on OGR Forum update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36266	From: lember2004	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Answers received to sotware recommendation question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36267	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: A WORD ABOUT E-BAY.... A VERY LONG ONE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36268	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: One more convention story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36269	From: paflyrman	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Shilling on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36270	From: sdsailman	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: 342 Help Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36271	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Re: Shilling on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36272	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Re: 342 Help Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36273	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36274	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Lionel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36275	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36276	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Cycling reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36277	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Convention Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36278	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: More Northern Options....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36279	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: More Northern Options....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36280	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: More Northern Options....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36281	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: American Models 4-8-4 Photo Added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36282	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: American Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36283	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: More Northern Options....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36284	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: AM Northern Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36285	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: S is the way to go!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36286	From: fiantoni	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Wisconsin Train Museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36287	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Train Museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36288	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36289	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Northern online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36290	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Northern question?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36291	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Northern question?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36292	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36293	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Of Northerns and Turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36294	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Re: Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36295	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Wisconsin Train Museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36296	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Re: K Line - and the Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36297	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Cycling Reverse Unit (BTW, "E-unit is a Big L term!) :) & truck play
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36298	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: SHS Classics Sale Expanded
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36299	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Train humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36300	From: yahtra	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Hudson Freight Set 5106-WT question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36301	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Re: Train Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36302	From: aglorince	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: semi annual magazine sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36303	From: aglorince	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: american models clearance sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36304	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36305	From: beebear	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Classics Sale Expanded
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36306	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: FW: Help with prototype photo III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36307	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Classics Sale Expanded
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36308	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: PICS of Horseshoe Curve and RR'ing in the Alleghenies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36309	From: trainman634	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Best Roadbed fot AM Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36310	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36311	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains 20% OFF Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36312	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Best Roadbed fot AM Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36313	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2754
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36314	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Northern question?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36315	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36316	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Northern question?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36317	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: AM Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36318	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit,smooshed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36319	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains 20% OFF Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36320	From: Phil K	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: Breaking news: K-Line settles lawsuit with Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36321	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: Cycling Reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36322	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: S gauge trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36323	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Lionel switchers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36324	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel switchers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36325	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36326	From: G Nichol	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Website updated with more available postwar Flyer items - NicksTrai
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36327	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Who is Albert C. Ruocchio and why is he registering various railroa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36328	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Silver Bullet repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36329	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36330	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Re: Edison, N.J. train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36331	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36332	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: Train shows and S Gauge/Scale trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36333	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2758
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36334	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36335	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36336	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: Hudson Freight Set 5106-WT question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36337	From: G Nichol	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: American Flyer HO gauge #433 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36338	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36339	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Re: K-line's steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36340	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Santa Fe 484
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36341	From: rebendever	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: BLATANT AD-- S/Sn3 1:64 Modeling Guide Is Back On-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36342	From: trainnut2us	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: S FEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36343	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Layout Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36344	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Re: Fall S fest query
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36345	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36346	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2760
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36347	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Great NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36348	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36349	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Fw: On30 coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36350	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36351	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: Misconceptions on K-Line Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36352	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: Northerns Galore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36353	From: keefer1	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: kline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36354	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Life Like
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36355	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: K-Line steamer & life stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36356	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steamer & life stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: FW: NASG forward request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36358	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steamer & life stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36359	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Re: Hudson Freight Set 5106-WT question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36360	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36361	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36362	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36363	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36364	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: John Foley, please contact me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36365	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: My laptop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36366	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36367	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36368	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36369	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36370	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36371	From: beebear	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36372	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: Coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36374	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: Mounting KD's on the 72' heavyweight passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36375	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: TMCC and Sound AF Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36376	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Brass 3 chime horn needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36377	From: Jim Marski	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Kinsman kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36378	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36379	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Lionel Auto racks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36380	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Sound in a SW-1?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36381	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Books on C&O,B&O and Cheesie equipment and geography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36382	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: S poll on OGR forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36383	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: Agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36384	From: t.hawley	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: AM's 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36385	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: TMMC vs DCS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36386	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Todd Wagner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36387	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: TMMC vs DCS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36388	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36389	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: York TCA Motel Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36390	From: David Engle	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: Todd Wagner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36391	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: Bar Mill's next S scale structure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36392	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: New AF/S gauge Discussion Board on the OGR forum is up and running!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36393	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Flyonel Erie Alco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36394	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36395	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36396	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Lionel Mikado - Can this be converted to DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36397	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Open Invitation to the 24th CJSS Fall Get-together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36398	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Another B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36399	From: Jim Marski	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36400	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36401	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado - Can this be converted to DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36402	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36403	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36404	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36405	From: Fred Alles	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36406	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36407	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: American Flyer HO - Updated Collector Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36408	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36409	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2768
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36410	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2767
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36411	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36412	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: New S forum on OGR forum site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36413	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36414	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: New S forum on OGR forum site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36415	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36416	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36417	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36418	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36419	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: S on OGR forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36420	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Re: Last two days of blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36421	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36422	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36423	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36424	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36425	From: Phil K	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Surprise move: K-Line files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36426	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Re: Graffiti decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36427	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36428	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36429	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Santa Fe Northerns and Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36430	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Re: Graffiti decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36431	From: John Foley	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: American Flyer S-Gauge Modular Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36432	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - 20% Off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36433	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36434	From: John Foley	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Korber Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36435	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36436	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36437	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36438	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36439	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Union Pacific paint schemes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36440	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: AF Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36441	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36442	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific paint schemes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36443	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco - Has Probelms - but can be fixed.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36444	From: starr007	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: 586 water tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36445	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: UP predecessor marks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36446	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: UP Heritage paint scheme units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36447	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2762
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36448	From: joan dienst	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Toy train Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36449	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: Pullman Library sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36450	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36451	From: Bruce	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36452	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: 586 water tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36453	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: Toy train Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36454	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36455	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: 586 water tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36456	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36457	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re;Flyer track radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36458	From: G. Elems	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: UP heritage units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36459	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Korber Models voting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36460	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: S on OGR forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36461	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Micro layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36462	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: #652 Pikes Peak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36463	From: Phil K	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Korber poll says it has been shut down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: #652 Pikes Peak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36465	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: K-Line rumour
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36466	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Prediction coming true...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36467	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Rotape
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36468	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/30/2005
Subject: Re: Counting our Blessings!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36469	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/30/2005
Subject: E-unit cycling checklist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36470	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: CCSG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36471	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36472	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36473	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: New Orleans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36474	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36475	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36476	From: Alex	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36477	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: York dealer costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36478	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36479	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36480	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: New Orleans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36481	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36482	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36483	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36484	From: John Foley	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Arc welder model kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36485	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: GOT MY BADGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36486	From: knockbill	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: York costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36487	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36488	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: CCSG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36489	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: small layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36490	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Searching for 1st Greg Hurd article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36491	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36492	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Re: small layouts (why not Pikemaster ?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36493	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: CCSG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36494	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: YORK MEETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36495	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: New Orleans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36496	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36497	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: New Orleans/ another list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36498	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Re;small layouts (why not Pikemaster?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36499	From: John Foley	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Potomac valley S Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36500	From: charlie and edith	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: 290 Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36501	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Re: Re;small layouts (why not Pikemaster?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36502	From: Chris Burger	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Support for Katrina Victims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36504	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36505	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Re: Re;small layouts (why not Pikemaster?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36506	From: beebear	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Switch Machines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36507	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Re: 290 Smoke Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36508	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Model Railroading for the Cause
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36509	From: David Girson	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36510	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36511	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36512	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36513	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: Switch Machines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36514	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36515	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36516	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re;My first posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36517	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36518	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36519	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36520	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36521	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36522	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36523	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36524	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36525	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: CCSG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36526	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: WARNING(virus check bypassed): SHS Christmas Car posted on web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36527	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: What a hobby!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36528	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: CCSG update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36529	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Bankruptcy in the train industry...a trend?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36530	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36531	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Green Paint for American Flyer Passenger Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36532	From: srgriggs	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36533	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36534	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: A scale truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36535	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: AF Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36536	From: John Foley	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: Free olde time ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36537	From: t.hawley	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: the AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36538	From: Michael Martino	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36539	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: AF storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36540	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: I was off on the year I got my first train!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36541	From: Michael Martino	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: LAYOUTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36542	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2783
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36543	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: FW: Question & help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36544	From: hgetrain	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Re: the AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36545	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Re: Rumors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36546	From: Benjamin Perry	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: WHITE MOUNTAIN CENTRAL RAILROAD DAYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36547	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: AF trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36548	From: John Foley	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Birds in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36549	From: G Nichol	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: AF trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36550	From: beebear	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: K-LINE Web Site - K-Line release dates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36551	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Something to chew on...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36552	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36553	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: Something to chew on...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36554	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36555	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: Something to chew on...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36556	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36557	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36558	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: AC/DC & Chat Sun.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36559	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: Union Pacfic Flyonel Passenger set new in the box will be put on e-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36560	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: REPORT: TMCC and using AF bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36561	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36562	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Re: Train storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36563	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36564	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: A New Catalog Posted at MyFlyerTrains.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36565	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: New Firehouse Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36566	From: Mac	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2783
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36567	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Fw: Katrina/CCSG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36568	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36569	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: the original "Marx Show & Tell" meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36570	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36571	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36572	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36573	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Chicagoland S Gauger meeting Friday night
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36574	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36575	From: Fred Alles	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Any Train Stores around King Of Prussia or Philadelphia with Americ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36576	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36577	From: DougK	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Any Train Stores around King Of Prussia or Philadelphia with Am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36578	From: knockbill	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Train shops in Phila.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36579	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Gilbert Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36580	From: trainspeak	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: FLYER HO SCALE 5318 HUDSON FREIGHT SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36581	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Bob's Docksider review, Couplers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36582	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Docksiders, Sets, and NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36583	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Docksider?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36584	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36585	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: FLYER HO SCALE 5318 HUDSON FREIGHT SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36586	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: York Hotel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36587	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: York Hotel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36588	From: David Girson	Date: 9/14/2005
Subject: AF airchime whistle 38008MW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36589	From: race944t	Date: 9/14/2005
Subject: Sory I can' make it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36590	From: charlie and edith	Date: 9/14/2005
Subject: Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36591	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: AF airchime whistle 38008MW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36592	From: Phil K	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: AF airchime whistle 38008MW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36593	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36594	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2790
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36595	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36596	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36597	From: Phil K	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36598	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36599	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: re;track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36600	From: Phil K	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Replacing Mikado Seuthe Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36601	From: hobo47203	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Indianapolis S Show - Shamless Plug
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36602	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2790
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36603	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: AF BW Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36604	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: track; & speakers in tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36605	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36606	From: muniman18	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: 325 AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36607	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: 325 AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36608	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2791
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36609	From: David Girson	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36610	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36611	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36612	From: charlie and edith	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: 290 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36613	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: 325 AC Gilbert?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36614	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: DC power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36615	From: stez2003	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Honajector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36616	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36617	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36618	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36619	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36620	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36621	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36622	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36623	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Ballasting track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36624	From: bimorph	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: ALL ABOARD set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36625	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36626	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36627	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36628	From: knockbill	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: York/Gas prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36629	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36630	From: race944t	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Storage paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36631	From: beebear	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Weekend trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36632	From: starr007	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Decontamination of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36633	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36634	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2794
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36635	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36636	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36637	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36638	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36639	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36640	From: knockbill	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Decontamination of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36641	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: York/Gas prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36642	From: Charles Malinowski	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Weekend trip / Indy S Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36643	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2795
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36644	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36645	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains - No WD-40!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36646	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36647	From: Phil K	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36648	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36649	From: Phil K	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36650	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: WD 40
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36651	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36652	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36653	From: cbqaf	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36654	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36655	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36656	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36657	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36658	From: D Stoll	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: cleaner cheap and safe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36659	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36660	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36661	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36662	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Solvent warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36663	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: CLEANERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36664	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: FW: Walt Danylak passed away on Sat., September 17th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36665	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: York TCA Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36666	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36667	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2797
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36668	From: John Foley	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: Walt Danylak passed away on Sat., Septem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36669	From: RCESpeak	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Walt Danylak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36670	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Insulation board table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36671	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36672	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36673	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re;Insulation board table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36674	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36675	From: ctbigboy	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36676	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36677	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: 2006 Greenberg American Flyer Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36678	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36679	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Got my Docksider...finally!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36680	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36681	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36682	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36683	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36684	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36685	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Another B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36686	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36687	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36688	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36689	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36690	From: Bill Lange	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36691	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36692	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36693	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36694	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36695	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36696	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36697	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36698	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: ** S Scale Brass Speeder Project Announcement **
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36699	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36700	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Hi-Railers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36701	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Got my Docksider...finally!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36702	From: muniman18	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: STUMPY'S QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36703	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36704	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36705	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: S scale and Hi rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36706	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36707	From: Phil K	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Gilbert Erector and Mysto Magic collection sale for charity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36708	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36709	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Re;re;Calling all Hi-railers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36710	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36711	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Docksider Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36712	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: You are invited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36713	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Forgot to Add
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36714	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Steve's UP 4-6-6-4 photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36715	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Third Rail and Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36716	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36717	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel Union Pacific Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36718	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: New "NASG Dispatch"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36719	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re;Docksider reveiw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36720	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Docksider reveiw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36721	From: Ironhorse	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: "S" community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36722	From: glshultzsr	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: AF B&O MIKADO STEAM PASSENGER SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36723	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: SD-9 & UP Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36724	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: "S" community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36725	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: "S" community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36726	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Docksider reveiw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36727	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: Paints for American Models Passsenger Cars ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36728	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: I am the new guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36729	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: Guys, where would you use a electric uncoupler on a layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36730	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: New Docksider derailing car behind
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36731	From: beebear	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: UP Bigboys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36732	From: beebear	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Fw: UP Bigboys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36733	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: AF F9 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36734	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: UP Bigboys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36735	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Firehouse update, Shameless Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36736	From: Bob W.	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Guys, where would you use a electric uncoupler on a layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36737	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Trains Shows in Florida with American Flyer Available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36738	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] ACSG Site?!?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36739	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: RCTHS Train Show Oct 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36740	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: York - share a ride
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36741	From: Phil K	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: On the topic of restorations, and their value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36742	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: On the topic of restorations, and their value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36743	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36744	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Born again Flyer enthusiast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36745	From: D Stoll	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: On the topic of restorations, and their value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36746	From: knockbill	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Restorations......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36747	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36748	From: Ironhorse	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: "S" Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36749	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Volume VIII
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36750	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36751	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36752	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36753	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: On the topic of restorations, and their value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36754	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: AF F9 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36755	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: NTTM Parking Info for York Wednesday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36756	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: AF F9 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36757	From: laing48185	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Track Gauge for Gargraves?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36758	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] "S" Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36759	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36760	From: briggsmodels	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: New Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36761	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36762	From: briggsmodels	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: New Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36763	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2804
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36764	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Quartering Northern drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36765	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Followup on quartering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36766	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: docksider.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36767	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: re;Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36768	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: re;Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36769	From: beebear	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36770	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36771	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Trains and bubble lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36772	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re;reDocksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36773	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Toy Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36774	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36775	From: beebear	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: trains and bubble lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36776	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: Re;reDocksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36777	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36778	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Gilbert Hall of Science- NYC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36779	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Hall of Science
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36780	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: S Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36781	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: York and S Gauge Happenings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36782	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: York and S Gauge Happenings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36783	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36784	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36785	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36786	From: Phil K	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36787	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: DELAND SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36788	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] "S" Community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36789	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: "S" community
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36790	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Cleaning old rail stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36791	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: New Flyonel Docksider Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36792	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel Docksider Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36793	From: Fred Alles	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning old rail stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36794	From: jeff briggs	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: New Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36795	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Video of UP Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36796	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36797	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: New Album Posted at MyFlyerTrains.Org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36798	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36799	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36800	From: John Foley	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Lionel AF Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36801	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: When will the Southern Mikado be Arriving ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36802	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36803	From: John Foley	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Swing Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36804	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: When will the Southern Mikado be Arriving ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36805	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: When will the Southern Mikado be Arriving ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36806	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Jacksonville and S Gauge Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36807	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: FUNNY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36808	From: keefer1	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36809	From: Gale Hall	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] SD-40-2 low hood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36810	From: Karl Raab	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: FUNNY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36811	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Does anyone know the number of the Steam whistiling billboard...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36812	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - O, HO, S and N scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36813	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: CJSS Get Together 2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36814	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: Question of ignorance...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36815	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Jerry and marketing got my list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36816	From: Thomas Davis	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Lionel's new AF coal dump car & dockside switcher.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36817	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: Jerry and marketing got my list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36818	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36819	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: NASG member fav prototype road query now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36820	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: NASG member fav prototype road query now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36821	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel's new AF coal dump car & dockside switcher.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36822	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Future "small boilered" steam locomotives?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36823	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: SMOKE FLUID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36824	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: NO MORE FLUID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36825	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re;Future small boilered steam locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36826	From: Chris Burger	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36827	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36828	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Scale vs. hirail...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36829	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Does the Air Chime whistle actual whistle like a train or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36830	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re;AM & S-Helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36831	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36832	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36833	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: Question of ignorance...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36834	From: Phil K	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: Does the Air Chime whistle actual whistle like a train or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36835	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge and TMCC/ DCS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36836	From: Chris Burger	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Scale vs. hirail...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36837	From: knockbill	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36838	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36839	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36840	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: A new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36841	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: A new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36842	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: A new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36843	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36844	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: October Flyer sales list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36845	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36846	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: S Helper Service Internet Special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36847	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: AF 760 modification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36848	From: knockbill	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: 760
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36849	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: AF 760 Modification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36850	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36851	From: beebear	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36852	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36853	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36854	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: 760 Flasher Re-work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36855	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36856	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Fall TTOS Show - Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36857	From: muniman18	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36858	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36859	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: The numbers on trains (?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36860	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36861	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: AM Santa Fe 4-8-4 #2923 picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36862	From: wyhog	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: The numbers on trains (?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36863	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36864	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: I'm Back...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36865	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: NOTE ADDRESS CHANGE // the original "Marx Show & Tell" Meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36866	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36867	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Re: AM Santa Fe 4-8-4 #2923 picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36868	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Docksider and Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36869	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Computer Simulators...beginning of the end?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36870	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: AM PA traction tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36871	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Just bought some stuff at a train show.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36872	From: robbe_wan	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: SF 2900 series
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36873	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: Re: The numbers on trains (?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36874	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: American Models FP7 traction tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36875	From: rebendever	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: Call for 2006 Events--2006 1:64 Modeling Guide Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36876	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36877	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: 1946 Atlantics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36878	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36879	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2815
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36880	From: knockbill	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Re: Atlantics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36881	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Numbers on prototype locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36882	From: wd511	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36883	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Re: Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36884	From: muniman18	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: 633 b&0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36885	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: TTOS Train Show Recap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36886	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Traction tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36887	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: SF 2900 series high quality image
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36888	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Traction Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36889	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Docksider and DC Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36890	From: clifma19	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Caig Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36891	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: York prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36892	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Looking for stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36893	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: re;Docksider and DC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36894	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Computer Simulators...beginning of the end?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36895	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36896	From: NASG Library	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Locomotive Numbering Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36897	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36898	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: 633 b&0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36899	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Firehouse kits shipping, News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36900	From: bw_hansen	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: 718 Mail Car repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36901	From: muniman18	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: train guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36902	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: train guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36903	From: John Foley	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: S Train Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36904	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: Train Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36905	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: CAILUBE BY CAIG BLATANT AD!!!!!! SMOKE FLUID TOO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36906	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: Train Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36907	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: 718 Mail Car repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36908	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: CAIG & SMOKE FLUID AD!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36909	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36910	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: New Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36911	From: yorktown26	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: A 1 Normal Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36912	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Re: New Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36913	From: Chris	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Re: A New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36914	From: David Girson	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Restored AFs on Ebay.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36915	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Slightly off topic - Full size trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36916	From: Ken Garber	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Slightly off topic - Full size trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36917	From: Chris	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: A New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36918	From: chudgr	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36919	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Citrus Shed Structure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36920	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: A New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36921	From: Chris	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36922	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: Running AF on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36923	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: 718 Mail Car repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36924	From: Phil K	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: New Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36925	From: s_trains	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: B&O (fly-onel) Docksider for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36926	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36927	From: beebear	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Fast Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36928	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Anyone see pics of Ross S #4's yet?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36929	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Docksider Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36930	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36931	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: 718 Mail Car Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36932	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: UP Flyonel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36933	From: briggsmodels	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Fairmont Speeder update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36934	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: the docker is 'sold'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36935	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider Questions/Answer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36936	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Docksider Photo Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36937	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re;Docksider Photo Reveiw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36938	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: re;I believe you should never restore or repair American Flyer trai
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36939	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Docksider Photo Reveiw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36940	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: re;I believe you should never restore or repair American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36941	From: knockbill	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: York Week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36942	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: re;I believe you should never
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36943	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: re;I believe you should never
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36944	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Docksider coupler problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36945	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider coupler problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36946	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer tra
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36947	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36948	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] I believe you should never restore or repair america
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36949	From: firex43	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Wanted: AF 21205 & 960 Green
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36950	From: clifma19	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Yankee Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36951	From: muniman18	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36952	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36953	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Restoring an A.F. Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36954	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36955	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Docksider Fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36956	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Fw: AMERICAN CLASSIC TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36957	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: AMERICAN CLASSIC TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36958	From: fiantoni	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36959	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36960	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Restoring AF units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36961	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36962	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36963	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer tra
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36964	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: Yankee Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36965	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36966	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36967	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36968	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re;DC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36969	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36970	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36971	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: S-Scale.org Website and other sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36972	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36973	From: keefer1	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36974	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Fire in German Railway museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36975	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Fire in German Railway museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36976	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36977	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36978	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider - My Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36979	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Cost of Docksider & Inflation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36980	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36981	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Santa Fe Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36982	From: Rick	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Showcase Line SW-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36983	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Showcase Line SW-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36984	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36985	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re;re;DC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36986	From: ctbigboy	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: American "S" Gauge Track / NOT American Classic Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36987	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: 719or971 for parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36988	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Re;re;DC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36989	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring AF units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36990	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36991	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: To Restore or Not to Restore, That is the Question. . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36992	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: S gauge stock pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36993	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Bachmann On30 hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36994	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: S gauge stock pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36995	From: afvair	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Carpet for new Train Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36996	From: dphobbies	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: New Ralston Purina 53' DD Evans boxcar - commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36997	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Off Topic: New-In-Garage automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36998	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: York Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 36999	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: An future 'L' item we don't know about yet?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37000	From: trainman634	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Best Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37001	From: Thomas Davis	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37002	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Re: Off Topic: New-In-Garage automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37003	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Off Topic; new in garage automobiles/ restore or not restore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37004	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: 792 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37005	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Off Topic; STORM & TRAIN LOSSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37006	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37007	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Off Topic; STORM & TRAIN LOSSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37008	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: DC Conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37009	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Very Last B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37010	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Not Too Far Off Topic; trains/automobiles, restore/as is
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37011	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37012	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37013	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37014	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Animated stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37015	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Animated stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37016	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Animated Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37017	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37018	From: Phil K	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Trains as an investment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37019	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Something That Has Bothered Me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37020	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37021	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Running on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37022	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Status of Crescent City S Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37023	From: Mike	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Modifying American Flyer switch controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37024	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Something That Has Bothered Me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37025	From: Jerry	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Running on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37026	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: On3 coaches to S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37027	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: for sale or Trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37028	From: Rick	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: American Models Budd cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37029	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Running on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37030	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: October York 2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37031	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Non train things at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37032	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37033	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Budd cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37034	From: Tom Kaufman	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2827
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37035	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37036	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2827
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37037	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Running on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37038	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Running on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37039	From: beebear	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37040	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37041	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: A helping Hand/ Lest we Forget
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37042	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37043	From: beebear	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37044	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37045	From: knockbill	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37046	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37047	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37048	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2828
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37049	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: 24076 PM UP Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37050	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37051	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37052	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37053	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37054	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: module carpet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37055	From: beebear	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: track questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37056	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: track questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37057	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37058	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37059	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: 24076 PM UP Stock car & Coupler repairing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37060	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37061	From: John	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: track questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37062	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37063	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37064	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37065	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 24076 PM UP Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37066	From: David Girson	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: dc transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37067	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: TCA membership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37068	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37069	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Fwd: [All Aboard Sets] original American Flyer Pioneer 600 #20811 s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37070	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: dc transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37071	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: CAN MOTORS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37072	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: dc transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37073	From: glshultzsr	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: AF B&O MIKADO STEAM PASSENGER SET FOR SALE W/2 PAK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37074	From: glshultzsr	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: ANY LIONEL 48036 NYC MIKADOS FOR SALE?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37075	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Train question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37076	From: sgilmore467	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: automatic switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37077	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Report - Getting items around... it was a very GOOD year..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37078	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: couplers - The ultimate why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37079	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Mikardo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37080	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: couplers - The ultimate why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37081	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: automatic switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37082	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Lionel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37083	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: Mikardo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37084	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37085	From: David Avedesian	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Modifying American Flyer switch controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37086	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37087	From: velapoldi	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Tehachapi Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37088	From: glshultzsr	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37089	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Tree Armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37090	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37091	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Fw: MRC 6200
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37092	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37093	From: trainman634	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37094	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Tehachapi Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37095	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: MRC 6200
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37096	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37097	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37098	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37099	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37100	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Help with Am Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37101	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: BARB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37102	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37103	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: BARB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37104	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: My DC ERROR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37105	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re;MRC DC power pack for AF trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37106	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re;Trains from Mail Order Houses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37107	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Tehachapi Loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37108	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37109	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Help with Am Flyer loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37110	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: couplers - The ultimate why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37111	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37112	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37113	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: DC Power Packs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37114	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37115	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37116	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: DC Power Packs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37117	From: wintermutedm	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37118	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: Ordering Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37119	From: fnmichong	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: FOR SALE: Flyonel Pennsylvania PA engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37120	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: Modifying American Flyer switch controllers - Bulbs do care a l
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37121	From: Phil K	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37122	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Third Firehouse Finally Done.,News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37123	From: trainman634	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: SnS Cam Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37124	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: SnS Cam Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37125	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37126	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Greenberg books for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37127	From: Phil K	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: SnS Cam Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37128	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: SnS Cam Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37129	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Barb in Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37130	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Large lot of NOS Flyer parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37131	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: Barb in Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37132	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: For exchange: UP AM Smoothsides for B&O AM Smoothside Pass Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37133	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37134	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: Wilma!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37135	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: Wire Diagram - Flyer on DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37137	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: I just bought two cabooses off the internet and have a question a #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37138	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37139	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: catenary
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37140	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Joe's Plea for Flyer Help in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37141	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: Joe's Plea for Flyer Help in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37143	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: BARB IS OK......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37144	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37145	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Looking for an AF Rocket Laucher Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37146	From: Charles Malinowski	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Indy S Show in 1 week!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37147	From: Charles Malinowski	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Indy S Show: Friday Dinner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37148	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: S Gauge photographs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37149	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: S Gauge Photographs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37150	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Another non train item!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37151	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Citrus Shed Structure - status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37152	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: is a 8b transformer suspposed to come with the bakelite handle. Is
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37153	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re;S gauge photographs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37154	From: lisazenn	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Casey Jones, Game Train, help... to newbie.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37155	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37156	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Re;S gauge photographs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37157	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37158	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re;scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37159	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37160	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37161	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37162	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37163	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re.Baby Ruth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37164	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re.Baby Ruth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37165	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: SF Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37166	From: John Foley	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Flat cars with loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37167	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: 650+!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37168	From: mott472000	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37169	From: jerryamflyertrain	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN PAINT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37170	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37171	From: muniman18	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: t&M
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37172	From: jt12313	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Part numbers for Flyonel six wheel geep trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37173	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Special Run of Southern Pacific GP9’s?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37174	From: ron190sl	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: TCA's Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37175	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Special Run of Southern Pacific GP9’s?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37176	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37177	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: B&O MIKADO PASSENGER SET W/2-PAK FOR SALE- REDUCED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37178	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: steve lund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37179	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: Steve Lunde THANK YOU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37180	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 Consolidation Birthing Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37181	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: Available Southern RR Crane Car and Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37182	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37183	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37184	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Accessories that use the common rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37185	From: manderman	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37186	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Power to the People!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37187	From: trainman634	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: First American Flyer Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37188	From: glenn allen	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: S Guage pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37189	From: trainman634	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: 302 Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37190	From: John	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37191	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: For sale -- reproduction American Flyer No. 792 Terminal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37192	From: trainman634	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: 302 Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37193	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: 302 Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37194	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37195	From: pdng@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: baby ruth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37196	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Bridge Rectifiers for DC Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37197	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: Bridge Rectifiers for DC Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37198	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: K5440T set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37199	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Miller track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37200	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: K5440T set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37201	From: Phil K	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: K5440T set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37202	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: K5440T set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37203	From: John	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37204	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: rEAL STEAL??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37205	From: Tom Kaufman	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2840
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37206	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2834
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37207	From: Mac	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Great web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37208	From: Mac	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Addition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37209	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Lionel settles trade secrets lawsuit with K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37210	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37211	From: Ingram-James-Listservers	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Pics: S Gaugian Fantasy Layout Pics On Web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37212	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2840
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37213	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37214	From: muniman18	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: car and loco dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37215	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] car and loco dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37216	From: muniman18	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37217	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Neuse River Train Show - Raleigh, NC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37218	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: car and loco dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37219	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: car and loco dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37220	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: S-train Map!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37221	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Diesel Power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37222	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: re;loco and car dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37224	From: theheadliner	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37225	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37226	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: re;loco and car dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37227	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37228	From: alguckes2001	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Plasticville kitbash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37229	From: bw_hansen	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Passenger car lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37230	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: re;loco and car dating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37231	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37232	From: afvair	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: MTH accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37233	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37234	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH Calendars - S Gauge Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37235	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: MTH accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37236	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Franklin Smokestack Dimensions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37237	From: manderman	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: MTH accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37238	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH Calendars - S Gauge Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37239	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37240	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37241	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: RRTrack.com software anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37242	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: [Strains] Digest Number 2844
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37243	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH Calendars - S Gauge Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37244	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: What are these switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37245	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: RE Pike Master
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37246	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: What are these switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37247	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37248	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37249	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37250	From: Phil K	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: This is really spooky . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37251	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Phoot review of the New AF SD-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37252	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37253	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Phoot review of the New AF SD-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37254	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Photo review of the New AF SD-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37255	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Photo review of the New AF SD-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37256	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Photo review of the New AF SD-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37257	From: N Becker	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37258	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: BOX NUMBERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37259	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: BOX NUMBERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37260	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: BOX NUMBERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37261	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37262	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37263	From: clifma19	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: 312 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37264	From: James	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: 2004/5 A.F. Naughty and Nice Car's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37265	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Waddel Coal hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37266	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Allentown "First Frost" Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37267	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: 355 Mounting Hole Crack Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37268	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re: Waddell Coal hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37269	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37270	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re;re;Waddell Coal hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37271	From: T Larson	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Johnny Lightning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37272	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37273	From: larryasp	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Johnny Lightning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37274	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Monopoly 1940 Ford van
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37275	From: t.hawley	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: The American Models 4-8-4 loco (high-rail version)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37276	From: jt12313	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: UP centennial s scale calculation-98 ft =?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37277	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37278	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Allentown "First Frost" Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37279	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: 112 Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37280	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37281	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Johnny Lightning & other S vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37282	From: beebear	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Switch numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37283	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: S - Trains and NE Fla., SE Ga.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37284	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 112 Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37285	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Bulk Unpainted Figures in S From Preiser?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37286	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 112 Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37287	From: Robert King	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37288	From: Phil K	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Removing Matchbox frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37289	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: Removing Matchbox frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37290	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: Phoot review of the New AF SD-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37291	From: John Foley	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Ballston Loco Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37292	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 112 Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37293	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37294	From: t.hawley	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Shilling for American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37295	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 2 new Northerns - Lionel and American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37296	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: C ROE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37297	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: C RO AND SHAMELESS AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37298	From: briggsmodels	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Briggs Models speeder project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37299	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: C ROE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37300	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: Switch numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37301	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: The Pits News Advert from Pine Canyon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37302	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37303	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: Doug - changing from O to S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37304	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37305	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: Passenger car lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37306	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: re;Cleaning wheels on rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37307	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37308	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: re;Cleaning wheels on rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37309	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: files and phots room.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37310	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: BOX NUMBERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37311	From: RCESpeak	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37312	From: skipkendel	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Layout Construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37313	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Attaching track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37314	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Layout Construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37315	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Yahoo photo space
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37316	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Attaching track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37317	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37318	From: Robert King	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37319	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37320	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Cal Stewart Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37321	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37322	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: CLR is a corrosive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37323	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Track cleaning -- Centerline Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37324	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Passenger car lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37325	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: CLR is a corrosive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37326	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: naughty and nice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37327	From: jt12313	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Kitbashing big diesel progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37328	From: Robert King	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37329	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37330	From: Chris	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: San Diego Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37331	From: Chris	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: San Diego Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37332	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37333	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Des Plains Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37334	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re;Passenger car lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37335	From: northern83113	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: #612 Freight Passenger Station/Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37336	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Passenger car lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37337	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Des Plains Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37338	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Attaching track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37339	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37340	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37341	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37342	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Missing Lens, maybe?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37343	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Ballston Loco Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37344	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: DD35A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37345	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: A.F. 612 Station/Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37346	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: DD35A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37347	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: DD35A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37348	From: Robert King	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37349	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37350	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2852
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37351	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37352	From: manderman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37353	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37354	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37355	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37356	From: hosstyletat	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37357	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37358	From: Jim Kelly	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: AF Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37359	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37360	From: John Huster	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37361	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37362	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Link couplers and the 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37363	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: Link couplers and the 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37364	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: AF Whistling Billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37365	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37366	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] AF Whistling Billboard OOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37367	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37368	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37369	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37370	From: James Schiele	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37371	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37372	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: Pike master Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37373	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: The Challenger name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37374	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37375	From: beebear	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: New train web cam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37376	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37377	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: New train web cam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37378	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Josh Seltzer Award - Icon Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37379	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: One big train layout - 1foot = 12inches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37380	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: New train web cam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37381	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: One big train layout - 1foot = 12inches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37382	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: On the UP 4-8-4 & the Gilbert Name sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37383	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37384	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: 1941 Catalog ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37385	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: 4 8 4 Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37386	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37387	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 1941 Catalog ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37388	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Oddball Flyer 302AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37389	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37390	From: John	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: Link couplers and the 370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37391	From: John	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37392	From: John	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37393	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37394	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37395	From: Robert D Eves III	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Charles A Brown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37396	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37397	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: New American Flyer parts Drawings.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37398	From: muniman18	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37399	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: New American Flyer parts Drawings.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37400	From: muniman18	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: 310
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37401	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37402	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37403	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Knuckle Coupler Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37404	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re Oddball Flyer 302AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37405	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2856
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37406	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: New train web cam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37407	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Speakin' of couplers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37408	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2854
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37409	From: trainman634	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Plastic 283 Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37410	From: Robert King	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37411	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37412	From: rebendever	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: 2006 1:64 Modeling Guide Calendars are Ready--before Christmas!!! (
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37413	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number ..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37414	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Fwd: Nasg display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37415	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Fwd: Bedford Boomer Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37416	From: faltrain5	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Just set up my Christmas layout of AF trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37417	From: Robert King	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37418	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: Speakin' of couplers... Gilbert aren't that great... any 1 know
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37419	From: David Girson	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: 312 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37420	From: diesell2004	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Lentz-100 DCC with Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37421	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: Just set up my Christmas layout of AF trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37422	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re;Lenz DCC-100 sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37423	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37424	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Lenz DCC-100 sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37425	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2858
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37426	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Fall S Fest @ South Beloit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37427	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2858
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37428	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37429	From: muniman18	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: dumb question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37430	From: Phil K	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: dumb question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37431	From: muniman18	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: TO ALL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37432	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re; Coal Pusher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37433	From: John Simms	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: 336 with Pull more motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37434	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2859
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37435	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: RE Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37436	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Toxic Terminal News Advert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37437	From: Phil K	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Coal and coal delivery systems (long)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37438	From: muniman18	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: folow up dumb question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37439	From: Phil K	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest @ South Beloit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37440	From: Phil K	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Whoops! One more thing... RDCs available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37441	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: folow up dumb question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37442	From: Al	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Turkey Funnies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37443	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Special Invitation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37444	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Whoops! One more thing... RDCs available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37445	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Pity the poor fireman...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37446	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: S Scale RDCs - Lettered/Painted for the B&O?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37447	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37448	From: beebear	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: John sent you a Thanksgiving e-card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37449	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: AF 3/16" Atlatic O gauge wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37450	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: UP 4-8-4 pictures - continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37451	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Selling some kits and other things
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37452	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2860
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37453	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest 2860 - RDCs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37454	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37455	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Thanks to all!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37456	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Thanksgiving/tidbits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37457	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37458	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37459	From: Ironhorse	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Modeling details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37460	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37461	From: Ironhorse	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Lenz DCC-100 sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37462	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37463	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37464	From: John Foley	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Modeling details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37465	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37466	From: faltrain5	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: DC Union pacific and needs help starting.....answers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37467	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: TCA Looking for "Modern Era" Train Authors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37468	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37469	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Looking to sell and looking to buy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37470	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Thanksgiving/tidbits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37471	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: DC Union pacific and needs help starting.....answers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37472	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37473	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37474	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re;Modeling details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37475	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: Modeling details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37476	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Duck Tape, The real story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37477	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: Duck Tape, The real story, really
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37478	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: DC Union pacific and needs help starting.....answers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37479	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: brass Berksire Locamotive Supply kit just listed on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37480	From: Greg Klein	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Festival of Trains - B&0 Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37481	From: alhbaker	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37482	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37483	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37484	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37485	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Duck / Duct Tape + JEP "S" Gauge Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37486	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Magnetized E Unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37487	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37488	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re;Duck Tape, Duct Tape,etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37489	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Slipping metal rim drive wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37490	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37491	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37492	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Magnetized E Unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37493	From: muniman18	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: dumb ouestion #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37494	From: David Engle	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Duck Tape, Duct Tape,etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37495	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4 - ? Watching the wheels go
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37496	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: White tire rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37497	From: Phil K	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: White tire rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37498	From: wyhog	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: White tire rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37499	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2862
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37500	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Dumb Ques. #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37501	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Edison N. J. train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37502	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Flyer reverse units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37503	From: keefer1	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: ebay auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37504	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re;White tire rims...and other trim paint.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37505	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Edison N. J. train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37506	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2863
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37507	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: More on Prototype UP 4-8-4's and white tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37508	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Link Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37509	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: REPAIRS & MAINTENEANCE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37510	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Boiler Thread Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37511	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Sticky reverse units & prototype wheel painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37512	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37513	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Boiler Thread Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37514	From: conehammer	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Repairing AF engines- what's acceptable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37515	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Suggestions for new Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37516	From: billbt888	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Wiring for AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37517	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: knuckle coupler repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37518	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Suggestions for new Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37519	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37520	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Wiring for AF locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37521	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Suggestions for new Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37522	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Suggestions for new Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37523	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: S gauge rolling stock pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37524	From: David Girson	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: 15b Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37525	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: American Models engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37526	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: 579 street lamp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37527	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Duct tape names and white trim
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37528	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37529	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Re;Suggestions for new steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37530	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Duct, Duck et al.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37531	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Comments on Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37532	From: alhbaker	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Re: Duct, Duck et al.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37533	From: Mac	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37534	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: William Trefts in St. Louis Area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37535	From: beebear	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: K-Line rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37536	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: Link Farm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37537	From: Robert King	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37538	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: Tis the Season....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37539	From: velapoldi	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Brass car projects.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37540	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Troller TAC 2001
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37541	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Tis the season ....or who fried Santa on the Rails ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37542	From: Phil K	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37543	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Arrival of K-Line S Gauge Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37544	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Pennsy S Models S Scale X29 project Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37545	From: John Gibson	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: For Trade: One S-Helper F7 B Unit – PRR for Undecorated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37546	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Motor slow down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37547	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: Motor slow down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37548	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37549	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Tampa, FL Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37550	From: Robert King	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37551	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Fw: Christmas Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37552	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: kNUCKLE cOUPLER cONVERSION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37553	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37554	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37555	From: trainman634	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: SHS Track Wire Connectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37556	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: SIMMONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37557	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37558	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: S Scale Layouts In Naples Area - Open Weekend of 9-10 December?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37559	From: Phil K	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: SIMMONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37560	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37561	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37562	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37563	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: SP Alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37564	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: SP Alcos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37565	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37566	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37567	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Christmas Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37568	From: Frank Bernard	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Possible new S Scale Tom Yorke Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37569	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: S-Scale Critter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37570	From: T Larson	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Tractors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37571	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re;S scale critter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37572	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Christmas Display and well wishes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37573	From: klaatu1944	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: AF Std Guage Engine Tune UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37574	From: Phil K	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: OT: Spy Axe is newest computer hijacker (malware)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37575	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: 24321 Deep Rock Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37576	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37577	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37578	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37579	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Terrible Death
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37580	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Christmas Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37581	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37582	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37583	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Southern locomotive 6133
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37584	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37585	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Southern locomotive 6133
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37587	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: WANTED: American Hi-rail Dreyfuss Hudson or Aerotrain kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37588	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Southern locomotive 6133
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37589	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: More on Spy Axe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37590	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Ooops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37591	From: muniman18	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: sit 302
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37592	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37593	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Layout Planning Progress / Pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37594	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37595	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37596	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37597	From: John	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37598	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37599	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Flyonel vs. AM/SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37600	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: B&O DOCKSIDER NON SMOKING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37601	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37602	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: 2025 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37603	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: opinions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37604	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Tis the season ....or who fried Santa on the Rails ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37605	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37606	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: American Flyer Christmas Card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37607	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 1 Dummy 2 Another Dummy...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37608	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] B&O DOCKSIDER NON SMOKING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37609	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Sears Christmas Wish Book 1958
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37610	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37611	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2871: AF Std Guage Engine Tune UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37612	From: Art	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Loose Loco Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37613	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37614	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: 'Tis the season...or Who fried Santa on the rails...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37615	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2872
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37616	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37618	From: John Bevington	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2871: AF Std Gauge Engine Tune UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37620	From: John Foley	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: BIG DUMP TRUCK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37621	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: B&O DOCKSIDER NON SMOKING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37622	From: Phil K	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Historic drumheads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37623	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: 1 Dummy 2 Another Dummy...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37624	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: opinions... I am usually right, but for once i am wrong...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37625	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: 'Tis the season...or Who fried Santa on the rails...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37626	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Faucet Delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37627	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37628	From: Art	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37629	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: gauge v. scale & related matters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37630	From: muniman18	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: buss bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37631	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37632	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37633	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37634	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37635	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Sears Christmas Wish Book 1958
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37636	From: Phil K	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37637	From: skipkendel	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Photo added to my album - and Holiday Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37638	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37639	From: klaatu1944	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Thank You!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37640	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: opinions... I am usually right, but for once i am wrong...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37641	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Photo added to my album - and Holiday Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37642	From: alhbaker	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: AC to DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37643	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37644	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37645	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: AC to DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37646	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Fried Santa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37647	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Fried Santa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37648	From: John	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37649	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37650	From: tsbikes	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: reverse loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37651	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: reverse loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37652	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: reverse loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37653	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: reverse loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37654	From: keefer1	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Green crane boom.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37655	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37656	From: Mac	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Oil drum loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37657	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Fwd: The "Liberty Limited" at Perryville, MD! Wow!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37658	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: The "Liberty Limited" at Perryville, MD! Wow!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37659	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37660	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: News from S Helper Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37661	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2875
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37662	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37663	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2874
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37664	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Tiejector track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37665	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Tiejector track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37666	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switches for S Gauge operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37667	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switches for S Gauge operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37668	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: 24230 PEABODY COAL hopper 1961-64
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37669	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: S Gargraves Switches... get 'em while you can?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37670	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re;Gargraves switches for S gauge operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37671	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF Switches - a possible solution.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37672	From: jt12313	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Black beetle trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37673	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/11/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37674	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/11/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37675	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37676	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37677	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: 965 Reverse loop relay instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37678	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 695 Reverse loop relay instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37679	From: Ironhorse	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: Oil drum loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37680	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37681	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Black beetle trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37682	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: Black beetle trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37683	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 24230 PEABODY COAL hopper 1961-64
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37684	From: David Girson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Restored E-Unit with the help of Portlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37685	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37686	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37687	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37688	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 965 Reverse loop quick follow up ?... good 4 your train diet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37689	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37690	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37691	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 965 Reverse loop quick follow up ?... good 4 your train diet...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37692	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37693	From: keefer1	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: BIG trackplans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37694	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Loose wheel rims
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37695	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37697	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: CD Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37698	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: FIBER TRACK PINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37699	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: UP Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37700	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: UP Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37701	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37702	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Pics from Our 4 Day Supermarket Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37703	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37704	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/11/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37705	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: BIG trackplans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37706	From: John Foley	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: World's Greast Hobby Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37707	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: UP Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37708	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Anything train shows in Madison WI or nearby next weekend or week f
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37709	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: World's Greast Hobby Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37710	From: John Foley	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37711	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Black beetle truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37712	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Black beetle truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37713	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37714	From: Don Pleu	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37715	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Christmas Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37716	From: mott472000	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Chrome Passinger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37717	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Tampa Train Show this Coming Weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37718	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: CD Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37719	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/14/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37720	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2879
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37721	From: va3etr	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Passenger car lighting - Info found
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37722	From: John Foley	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: NASG Josh Seltzer Website Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37723	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2879
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37724	From: muniman18	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: dumb question # 5 and #6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37725	From: James	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Digest Post, Re: 37264
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37726	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: 2025 Thanks You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37727	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: dumb question # 5 and #6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37728	From: trainman634	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: No Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37729	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: No Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37730	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Product announcement -- Baldwin Westinghouse Class B Steeple Cabs i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37731	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Wanted - Knuckle conversion couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37732	From: keefer1	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: gilbert guru
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37733	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Request for Knuckle Couplers - Great Response
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37734	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: serious misrepresentations oin ebay 6022378877
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37735	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: SHS AF comp. LocoMatic sound 2-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37736	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Window paper for 650 etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37737	From: dphobbies	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Microscale S Scale Decals Sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37738	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: American Models couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37739	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: serious misrepresentations oin ebay 6022378877
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37740	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Fw: Microscale Sells S Scale Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37741	From: TWYLA STARR	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: A.F. 343 0-8-0 parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37742	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: American Models couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37743	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Window paper for 650 etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37744	From: Jim Kelly	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Need 2 In 1 Whistle Controller and Hook Up Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37745	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Lanes Trains Website update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37746	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Window paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37747	From: muniman18	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: dumb questions 6&7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37748	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Re: dumb questions 6&7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37749	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Re: dumb questions 6&7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37750	From: parlerlasvegas	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Remote Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37751	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: 484 Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37752	From: Steve	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Need info on reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37753	From: John	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Need info on reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37754	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Your train inventory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37755	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Your train inventory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37756	From: Jim V	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: I'm stumped -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37757	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: TRAIN UNDER THE TREE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37758	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: AC Reverse Loop Relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37759	From: beebear	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Need info on reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37760	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: All PullMor to 322, 343, 312, 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37761	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: AC Reverse Loop Relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37762	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: More American Models cars for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37763	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Reverse Loop? ? ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37764	From: Steve	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Re: AC Reverse Loop Relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37765	From: Steve	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Reverse loop relay switch mod
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37766	From: muniman18	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: 325 ac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37767	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Not much left from the American Models stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37768	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 3886
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37769	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Module Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37770	From: David Girson	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: 312 drawbar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37771	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37772	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Gallery / Photo Album Errors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37773	From: keefer1	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: gilbert guru
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37774	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Photo Albums Are Fixed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37775	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Re;312 drawbar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37776	From: muniman18	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: re 325 not running
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37777	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: 325 ac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37778	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Popsicle sticks,etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37779	From: buzzybobcat03	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: two on one track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37780	From: wintermutedm	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Re: Popsicle sticks,etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37781	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: R$ailroad Books?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37782	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Silly question #235
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37783	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Re: Silly question #235
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37784	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Temporary Christmas Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37785	From: conehammer	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: AF 332 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37786	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37787	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: kids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37788	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37789	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AF 332 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37790	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2887 - 332 DC to AC Coversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37791	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AF 332 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37792	From: keefer1	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Added pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37793	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: 332 DC to AC Coversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37794	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AC/DC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37795	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re;AF332 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37796	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Reverse unit problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37797	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: My 2005 Holiday Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37798	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37799	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AC/DC Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37800	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: How far do you go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37801	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: How far do you go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37802	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Sharing Toy Trains with Children
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37803	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: December 22, 1965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37804	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: [toytrains] December 22, 1965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37805	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re;How far do you go?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37806	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: Sharing Toy Trains with Children
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37807	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37808	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37809	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: [toytrains] December 22, 1965
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37810	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2888
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37811	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37812	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Fwd: ***story of the liberty limited.... (A definite MUST read!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37813	From: Mark Adams	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37814	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: ***story of the liberty limited.... (A definite MUST read!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37815	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Engine Control Vs. Electronic E-Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37816	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Re;How far do you go? Darn good reasons - but ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37817	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: New design pull its wieght - the real model world?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37818	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Gilbert Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37819	From: Dave W	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Season's Greetings and the Polar Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37820	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Season's Greetings and the Polar Express
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37821	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re;The Polar Express for S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37822	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Christmas Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37823	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Royal Blue Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37824	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Re;The Polar Express for S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37825	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Can Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37826	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37827	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re;Can Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37828	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Tis the Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37829	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: 1 inch motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37830	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains - Feb 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37831	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37832	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2890
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37833	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37834	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37835	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas y'all and Ho,Ho,Ho!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37836	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: National Christmas Tree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37837	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37838	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: "O" Gauger who saw the Light!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37839	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: A Merry Christmas to all!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37840	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: 307 wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37841	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: The Polar Express for S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37842	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: 307
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37843	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: The Polar Express for S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37844	From: bandmancwc	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37845	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37846	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/25/2005, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37847	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37848	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37849	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37850	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37851	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Polar Express for S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37852	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2890: 1 Inch Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37853	From: beebear	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Baldwin pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37854	From: Bob W.	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Lionel AF docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37855	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 1 Inch Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37856	From: muniman18	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: dumb question #8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37857	From: bandmancwc	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 1999 Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37858	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Need help finding Pittsburgh-area S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37859	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Any S Layouts in SC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37860	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: dumb question #8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37861	From: bandmancwc	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 1999 Chistmas Car Plans -Derailed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37862	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: NASG car for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37863	From: g94a95	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 354 Silver bullet set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37864	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: 354 Silver bullet set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37865	From: muniman18	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: DUMB QUESTION #9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37866	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: Special Guest Visitors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37867	From: Kenny C Palmer Jr	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: DUMB QUESTION #9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37868	From: Bob W.	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: The new lionel AF diesal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37869	From: Bob W.	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Santa Fe docksider sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37870	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: The new lionel AF diesal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37871	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Polar Express for S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37872	From: conehammer	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Speaking of motors...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37873	From: muniman18	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37874	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: S HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37875	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Gilbert Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37876	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2893
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37877	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: New Building Source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37878	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: SHelper - WM 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37879	From: g94a95	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: 354 Silver Bullet Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37880	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2893
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37881	From: NASG Library	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: AM 10-1-2 Pullman car on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37882	From: trainman634	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37883	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37884	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Almost A.C. Gilbert engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37885	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2894
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37886	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2894
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37887	From: Doug	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37888	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37889	From: Ed	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37890	From: Ed	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Norfolk Southern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37891	From: falles@integrity.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1 inch motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37892	From: Doug	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37893	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Fwd: Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/25/2005 | Proposal calls for Ben St
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37894	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37895	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/25/2005 | Proposal calls for Be
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37896	From: trainman634	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: American Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37897	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Tom Robinson's Magnificent Layout in NASG Dispatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37898	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37899	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37900	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37901	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: FYI on one cause for stiff switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37902	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37903	From: jaytewilli	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Gear for #23743 Maintenance Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37904	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Last items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37905	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37906	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Layouts and Dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37907	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Gilbert Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37908	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Cryer Gray Foundry?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37909	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: SHelper - WM 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37910	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: cabooses and hoppers sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37911	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: SHelper - WM 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37912	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2895
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37913	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37914	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37915	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/25/2005 | Proposal calls for B.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37916	From: johnmreczko	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: AF accesories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37917	From: t.hawley	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37918	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Layouts and Dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37919	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37920	From: muniman18	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: marker lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37921	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Beechworth (Victoria, Australia) Hobby Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37922	From: jschiele1@verizon.net	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37923	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: SHS limited hours and 2-8-0 update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37924	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37925	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: bumpers and other questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37926	From: John Gibson	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: FW: Citrus Shed Structure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37927	From: beebear	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Gas plant pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37928	From: hcopter51	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37929	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: bumpers and other questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37930	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2896
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37931	From: Steve	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Scratch building an AF reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37932	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37933	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2896
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37934	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37935	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37936	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37937	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37938	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37939	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Finding / Note on the AF switch rebuilding project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37940	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2896
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37941	From: boblines51	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: K-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37942	From: geep39	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37943	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37944	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37945	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37946	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: 4-wire American Flyer control button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37947	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: EBAY PROBLEMS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37948	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: EBAY PROBLEMS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37949	From: keefer1	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: k-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37950	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37951	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: 4-wire American Flyer control button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37952	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37953	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37954	From: Phil K	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Armored car for 715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37955	From: Mac	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Driver wiggle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37956	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: GN Box Car Search
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37957	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37958	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Armored car for 715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37959	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: K-line folding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37960	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Mikado sound problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37961	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/1/2006, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37962	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: K-line folding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 37963	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado sound problem

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 33584	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: The Ed & Rick Show ......

Well Happy 2005 to All.....May you have a happy and great Train year ...Was great to see all those that came into our New Years Eve Chat ....was good to see all that showed up ...Is debateable as to who is going to be the last one out of the room and has to shut out the lights .....Probably the Duck ....Rick forgets .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33585	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: NMRA AND NASG

Hi Everyone and Happy New Year! I have been reading the threads on the NMRA and NASG. This will be coming from a retailers point of view though, but I think can be used by everybody on these S-List's. When I first decided to open our store 11 years ago, We have only been open 5 months now, it was because a hobby shop in Dayton told me they didn't make S-Gauge anymore. Well, I knew better and made the decision to do this someday. The owners of the shop were HO gauge guys. I have a lot of referrals from this HO shop letting people know that I have S-Gauge and O-Gauge trains in our store. In fact, I just met one of their employees who wanted to find out about the S-Gauge. In 99 I finally joined the NASG and Just joined the NMRA this past year. I have been working hard to promote S-Gauge to all the Non-S-Gaugers in my little part of the world by taking a S-Gauge layout around to 5-6 shows a year for the past 4 years. We were even able to watch as a new club started in Indianapolis Ind., and had their first all S-Gauge gathering this year. The members were all HO and O modelers when I met them. The local chapter of the NMRA here in Dayton has been a huge help to us getting the word out about the store and about S-Gauge. It's amazing how many customers come in from the local NMRA meeting and tell me they heard I carried S-Gauge trains. I guess my point is, yes we need the NMRA also. Promoting is the key. Not to ourselves but to everyone who doesn't have S-Gauge. I sold 3 sets this Christmas to New Customers. Two were S-Helper and One was The AM Hudson and Chrome passenger cars with S- Helper track. We just have to promote more and more to the Non-S-Gaugers. There are a lot of them in the NMRA and in TCA and in LTTOS etc. Contact the local Boy Scouts like was mentioned before and help them earn their Merit badge in RR by using S-Gauge Our club helped do a Promotion in Eaton Ohio where 2 club members reside and had the club layout up from Thanksgiving to Christmas. I had 2 customers come in and buy S-Gauge trains because of the layout. The best way to promote S-Gauge is to just talk it up and show them what it is. Ladies and Gentlemen. We can conquer the world!!! LOL!!! Chris Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33586	From: Paul	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums Back Online

The photo albums software (http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail) is now accepting new photos. We have over 4000 photos and 3 Gigs of data. If you have an album please limit yourself to S-Trains related content. That includes all model trains and prototypes etc. Also if you buy stuff from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0897785282/paulyorke) or Buy.com http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=N5Ko*hVjmuk&offerid=63348.10000382&type=4&subid=0 please use my links, it helps pay for the hosting fees. If you need assistance with your albums please contact me. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33587	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Cool train float/ Rose Parade

Wow!! Tooo cool.....longest float ever!!! Great steam loco!! If ya missed it, check a repeat showing!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33588	From: firex43	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Wanted: Tires for Hartoy AHL Trucks

Hello and Happy New Year to all list members. I am trying to locate four tires as found on Hartoy AHL Ford tractor and trailer for a restoration project. Anyone with tires or info please contact me off- list. Thanks in advance for your assistance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33589	From: clifma19	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade

It was cool but maybe not S gauge. The longest float in Rose Parade history. It was over 200 ft. long. Rick Evans wrote: >Wow!! Tooo cool.....longest float ever!!! >Great steam loco!! > >If ya missed it, check a repeat showing!!! > >Rick. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33590	From: jim.mowery	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade

OK . . . Who noticed what was wrong with the float? -----Original Message----- From: clifma19 [mailto:clifma19@...] Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:12 AM To: Rick Evans Cc: STrains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cool train float/ Rose Parade It was cool but maybe not S gauge. The longest float in Rose Parade history. It was over 200 ft. long. Rick Evans wrote: >Wow!! Tooo cool.....longest float ever!!! >Great steam loco!! > >If ya missed it, check a repeat showing!!! > >Rick. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33591	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - a review.

The Lionel American Flyer Mikado. After an extended wait, the new Lionel-built American Flyer USRA light Mikados have arrived! They are the first all-new steam engines done in the Flyer name in about 44 years, and are available in the NYC and B&O road names at this time. The B&O comes with a gorgeous four car passenger set of Gilbert-styled streamlined cars. The steamers are fitted with certain secondary features (head light and bell placement) done correctly to road name. The Mikados are excellent models of the prototypes, are fitted with two S scale figures seated in a semi-detailed lighted cab, and are of all die-cast construction with all metal add-on details – almost no plastic. The lettering is first rate and (whether intentional or not) engine black is done with a vintage Gilbert style flat black with its traditional touch of gray rather than the semi-gloss “pure” black traditionally used by Lionel. The detailed tender is fitted with the current Lionel-designed Gilbert compatible knuckle coupler, however, there is female connector for an S-sized electrocoupler (if and when one is developed) on the mother board in the tender. Lighting is directional in conventional operation, but the tender light goes on or off singly in command mode. Sound volume and Railsound-Signal sound controls are easily accessed under a magnetically attached water hatch on the tender deck. The TMCC-program switch is located on the engine cab floor. What may prove to be the one controversial feature of this excellent engine is that it is fitted with a Seuthe smoke generator. My purchased sample (a B&O) emerged from its box with excellent fit and finish and with all features in working order. It was tested using a conventional vintage Gilbert S gauge layout powered by a Gilbert 30B and a 16B. TMCC was fitted to the S layout by the simple expedient of running a wire from the command base of a 3 and 5-rail layout sitting 12 feet away and connecting it to the base post of the 16B. The (non-blind) driver flanges are over-sized relative to scale, but then the engine negotiates traditional Gilbert track and switches with ease and dependability. The trailing truck is sprung and well-designed, so there are no derailment problems in reverse, as with some early Gilbert Atlantics and Pacifics, and with the AM Pacifics. The engine is fitted with Lionel’s RailSounds 5.0 and TMCC. The good news – bad news implication of this fact is that the engine has a superior operating and sound characteristics when used in a TMCC environment. The sounds are surprisingly satisfying, given the smallish (but good quality) speaker fitted in the tender. The whistle is quite good and the bell sound is truly excellent. The chuffing sound is pleasing and particularly entertaining when Dynachuff is operable under TMCC. A range of intelligible crew chatter features (e.g., awaiting departure and departure announcements) are operable under command mode. Conventional Operation: The engine runs well and sounds good in conventional mode. A battery placed in the tender to maintain sounds during momentary interruptions is required for conventional running. The engine and tender light are directional. Direction is controlled by the usual power interruption method. The Seuthe smoke unit will produce a decent amount of smoke while operating with higher voltages, but dies out as voltage is lowered. This, in my view, is the one significant drawback with this other wise excellent locomotive. The solution to this problem is the installation of TMCC in one’s layout. TrainMaster Command Control Operation: For an investment of about $90 for a command base and a Cab-1 and the connection of a single solitary wire from the command base to the Base post of any vintage Gilbert transformer, the engine takes on a new personality and command control is available anywhere on a layout for any engine so equipped. This is so for multi-loop, multi-transformer setups. Because TMCC is a constant high voltage mode of operation under radio control, direction is now controlled from Cab-1 via a direction button, lighting is constant, and the voltage to the Seuthe smoke unit is also constant. All of the superior Railsound features are also available and dependably operable. The new Lionel American Flyer Mikado is several steps ahead of what has been available in terms of details and operating features for an affordable ready to run steam engine in S gauge. The appearance of these engines make them particularly attractive for pulling consists made up the realistic and nicely detailed SHS rolling stock. The streamlined passenger cars that come with the B&O are probably less than appropriate, but they do make a truly beautiful train for the traditional Gilbert operators among us. They are, along with the two car add-on set, the very cars that the Lionel Flyer 8153/8154/8155 B&O ALCo PA-PBs have been looking for nearly a quarter century. One can imagine that those already committed to DCC operation may not opt for this engine, but for the large bulk of S gaugers with conventional layouts this engine is an answer to a maiden’s prayer. Highly recommended, particularly with TMCC! Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33592	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer - Mikado

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jmatsick" <jmatsick@y...> wrote: > > > Just to satisfy my interest, how many out their have theirs or have > ordered one these new super engines? I have. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville We have about a dozen left. We took on and put it on out layout and have run it for two days straight. It's awesome. Ron Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33593	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars

I'm a new member of the s-trains Yahoo group. I'm an active collector and operator of I'm trying to complete several AF by Lionel high rail passenger consists. I'm looking for the SP vista dome car... also would be interested in a coach car as well. Also on the lookout for the WP combo car and the Missouri Pacific combo and observations cars. Any help is appreciated. Russ in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33594	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - IR tether.

AF Mikado - addendum: One thing I neglected to mention in my review is that the engine-tender combination is fitted with a new really slick miniaturized version of the Lionel IR tether. Consequently, coupling and uncoupling the two pieces is a snap. No wire tether to wrestle with! Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33595	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade

Diesel Horn on obviously steam locomotive???? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33596	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/1/2005
Subject: Mikado Photo Review

Speaking of the Mikado... Here is my Photo Review of the new Mikado I just finished. http://www.tuveson.com/Mikado/MikadoReview.htm Enjoy, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33597	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: bulb wattage

What's the wattage on a Sam the Semaphore bulb ?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33598	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade

In a message dated 01/01/2005 8:22:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: Diesel Horn on obviously steam locomotive???? Jim Lyle My thoughts exactly...... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33599	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - Engine Separately Purchasable?

Bob, Thanks for the detailed review. Do you know if the B&O Mikado can be purchased separate from the B&O passenger car set? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33600	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - Engine Separately Purchasabl

Paul, No. The B&O comes as a set. You might inquire and see if someone who has bought the set is willing to break it up and sell the cars. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/2/2005 9:38:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Paul4Schil writes: Bob, Thanks for the detailed review. Do you know if the B&O Mikado can be purchased separate from the B&O passenger car set? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33601	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Photo Review

In a message dated 1/1/2005 10:28:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl@... writes: Speaking of the Mikado... Carl, Real nice photo review. It is good to know that we came independently to very similar conclusions even though we have different layout situations. Thanks for sharing! Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33602	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Another Track Question

First I thank everyone who welcomed my to the group! Second, what is the best way to fix-down flyer track? My benchwork is a 1/2" plywood, and a 1/2" homasote. I will be using the track with rubber roadbed. I would like nice solid trackwork, and to keep the noise down. Any ideas would be great! Thanks so much! Rodger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33603	From: roy inman	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Another Track Question

Hi Rodger, For the last three modular layouts, I have used only silicon sealer adhesive, Dow brand, to attach roadbed and or track to the board or foam. No nails. Seems to stay put and is removable. You do need to weight it down with stacks of books, magazines or whatever until it dries. While I have not used this technique with Flyer rubber roadbed, or the repro stuff, I don't see why it wouldn't work. Good luck and keep us posted. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 1/2/05 9:24 AM, rodgercunningham at rodgercunningham@... wrote: > > > > First I thank everyone who welcomed my to the group! > > Second, what is the best way to fix-down flyer track? My benchwork > is a 1/2" plywood, and a 1/2" homasote. I will be using the track > with rubber roadbed. I would like nice solid trackwork, and to keep > the noise down. Any ideas would be great! Thanks so much! Rodger > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33604	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: 'word Up!

Read Chris' post, and I have one thing to tell the HO and O crowd-- Resistance is Futile!!! You will be assimilated! :) 2005--the year of S gauge's return to the major marketplace! We can do it!! S' David "where's my meds?" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33605	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Mikado on Ebay

There is one on Ebay that is miscategorized in O-scale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5946503952 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33606	From: rebendever	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: 2005 Events for the 1:64 Modeling Guide 2005 Calendar

Greetings List, As always (OK, twice), we have the 1:64 Modeling Guide 2005 Calendar ready for print & we need 2005 1:64 Scale events. Please contact me directly with your information: Editor@.... Thank you again for all you efforts! Best Regards, ======================================== Richard E. Bendever 1:64 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56, Somerville, NJ 08876 www.ModelingGuide.com ======================================= Order Line: 908.304.5545 FAX/BS Line: 908.927.9347

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33607	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado on Ebay

***((((There is one on Ebay that is miscategorized in O-scale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5946503952 )))**** The seller only has eight feedbacks, seven are train related.........I wonder if he normally has a storefront and is just giving eBay a shot....or...?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33608	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Photo Review

Wow! Nice job Carl!!! I do have one question.......I haven't really been following the Mikado hype, ...and I noticed the two locos in the one photo look different from one another,.....is Lionel making two versions of this loco?? What am I missing here? Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33609	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Can motors....

Steve, I hate to ask again.....I'm sure you have explained it to me before!!! If, I were to pop a can motor in one of my AF steamers, and wanted to run AC still,.....I have to add a goodie to my AF reverse unit, or replace it entirely?? Now, if I ran it on DC only, I couldn't use a AF trannie? That right? I would have to use a DC trannie? I thought I KNEW all of this!! Guess I'm getting old!! Thanks again!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33610	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Photo Review - Value analysis

Carl, Thanks for the review. The pictures and descriptions are great. I would be interested in your opinion on the pricing and its value: At its current priced do you think it's a good deal and how does it generally match up against other O-gauge stuff in the same price range? It had many interesting design concepts that you pointed out (IR tether, TMCC, power draw though the engine) that seemed to indicate that this was a seriously thought out product, not just slap something together for the s-folks approach. I wonder what motivated them to put such a product out in S, maybe they are worried about MTH entering the market, or feel that the AM and SHS are getting too many sales to be ignored. Your pictures were so clear I counted 10 rivets missing (compared to the real thing) on the coal tender... :) Have a good new year! Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33611	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Another Track Question

You can tack down the rubber roadbed by going thru the sides, not the holes in the ties, with short brads. Angle the brads toward the center of the roadbed. Anchors the rubber which in turn anchors the track without providing a direct connection to your plywood for sound transmission. Nail holes are barely visible when nails are removed (if ever). Jim Lyle (livin" on the Keystone Main" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33612	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade

Milwaukee Road ran their "400's" steam locos with air horns mounted on either side of the stack as an additional warning for grade crossings. Jim Lyle "Livin' on the Keystone Main" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33613	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Mikado - Any Problems? I have one!

It started out as a great day at least! I went to a small local train show and found an NYC Mikado for $485; just missed the last B&O set for $625. Anyway, after a day of errands I finally got to put it on the test layout. It took awhile before it started producing smoke and after less than 10 minutes of running, it now stalls out in both forward and reverse. Something seems to be binding in the drive mechanism. At least it sounds realistic when it stalls! Any ideas? I have a call into the guy I bought it from, but he lives in PA and hasn't made it home from the show in NJ. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33614	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: LTI Missouri Pacific Cars for Sale

I have the following MP cars for Sale. All are new in their original Boxes, and No, I do not have a set box. 6-8911 Eagle Creek Vista Dome (From Set) $75... 6-8912 Eagle Lake Coach (from set).$75.... 6-8914 Eagle Spirit Coach $75...... 6-8914 Eagle Spirit Coach $75... 6-8915 Eagle View Vista Dome $75.... 6-8915 Eagle View Vista Dome $75... 6-8933 Eagle Mountain Diner $75.... 6-48118 MP PB1 with Railsounds (non Powered) $120.... 6-48112 MP PA1 pair, one powered, one non powered $275.... USA 48.Shipping for cars $5 for the first, $8 for 2, $10 for 3., PA pair $10, PB $8... Make an offer for any combination. Thanks.... Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33615	From: Alan Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Empire State Set for sale

List American Models AC Hi Rail Empire State Set, engine & 4 cars. Smoke & whistle. Test run only. Clearance priced. Contact off list if interested. - Alan Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33616	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 2, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33617	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: new AF train list

Greetings, S-Gaugers. My January updated AF train list is now available. If you did not receive a copy of this ten page list on 1/01/05 and are interested in receiving it, please send me an email request.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33618	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: 2004 Capitol Holidays Layout

Happy New Year All! Paul Yorke was kind enough to put up some pictures my son took of my grandsons and our Oregon State Capitol (American Flyer) Holidays Layout on his site. Here is the link: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup36 Enjoy! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33619	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com

--- American Models <rbashista1@...> wrote: > I was told it will be OK , try it on low power and > see. We don't have plans > on TMCC.. Ron > > > From: weidner@... () > > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:37:48 -0800 > > To: info@... > > Subject: Comments from AmericanModels.com > > > > Below is the result of your feedback form. It was > submitted by > > (weidner@...) on Saturday, January 1, > 2005 at 19:37:48 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > email: weidner@... > > > > > > > > comments: As you may already know lionel has made > an s gauge loco with TMCC. > > Is there a possibility of causing damage to an AM > loco electronics runing on a > > layout wired for TMCC? Will you be offering TMCC > equiped locos in the future? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE > 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; > > AIT) > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33620	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com

Bruce, I run TMCC with AM and SHS with no problem. The signal will not effect their units. For info on TMCC and "S" gauge see my web site link: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: bruce weidner [mailto:weidner@...] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:15 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Comments from AmericanModels.com --- American Models <rbashista1@...> wrote: > I was told it will be OK , try it on low power and > see. We don't have plans > on TMCC.. Ron > > > From: weidner@... () > > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:37:48 -0800 > > To: info@... > > Subject: Comments from AmericanModels.com > > > > Below is the result of your feedback form. It was > submitted by > > (weidner@...) on Saturday, January 1, > 2005 at 19:37:48 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > email: weidner@... > > > > > > > > comments: As you may already know lionel has made > an s gauge loco with TMCC. > > Is there a possibility of causing damage to an AM > loco electronics runing on a > > layout wired for TMCC? Will you be offering TMCC > equiped locos in the future? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE > 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; > > AIT) > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33621	From: garydmccullah	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: For Sale

Folk'S' I have a 1992 NASG Convention car (CB&Q box in chinese red) ans a Flyonel ICG (orange)box car for sale. $20.00 plus shipping gets them both. Gary McCullah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33622	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: American Honda train float

Here is a link to the 2005 Rose Parade train float. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/lf/010105roseparade&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=0&e=15&a=0&printer= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33623	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Re: The Lionel American Flyer Mikado - Engine Separately Purchasabl

It's been said that,....""The B&O comes only in the passenger set."" Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33624	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Mikado - Any Problems? I have one! And now it's solv

For all you Mikado fans; I'm now a happy owner as well. I followed the lubrication instructions and gave it a quick lube and it's been running with no problems for 45 minutes now. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lange [mailto:blange3@...] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:11 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado - Any Problems? I have one! It started out as a great day at least! I went to a small local train show and found an NYC Mikado for $485; just missed the last B&O set for $625. Anyway, after a day of errands I finally got to put it on the test layout. It took awhile before it started producing smoke and after less than 10 minutes of running, it now stalls out in both forward and reverse. Something seems to be binding in the drive mechanism. At least it sounds realistic when it stalls! Any ideas? I have a call into the guy I bought it from, but he lives in PA and hasn't made it home from the show in NJ. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33625	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/2/2005
Subject: Spreading truck sides?

I want to add electrical pick up to a set of regular AM. Flyer freight car trucks. I know I need the pick up "spring" that rubs the axles and some pick up wheel sets. I'm wondering if there's some secret way to spread the truck side frames to pop wheel sets in without breaking the side frames? I intend to be careful, of course. Stumpy Stone in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33626	From: Joe McGill	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: AF Track Radius

I am somewhat new to American Flyer, and I have a bunch of the original track. I'm trying to set up a 4x8 Layout at this point, but I'm finding that the radius of the track is such that I can't fit too much on my 4x8 slab of plywood. I see some neat stuff done with Lionel track on 4x8, and I'm wondering if any of the various makers of s-gauge track produce something to make my circles a bit narrower? Thanks for any help, Joe McGill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33627	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Count

As of last nights count a total of 14 have been reported purchased,. Of course that does not include mine which was ordered a year ago from Island Trains, but they haven't received their order yet? Or have they? Jerry Matsick Jax, Fl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33628	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Spreading truck sides?

The safest way to do this without risking the sideframes popping off, is to use a pair of O-ring pliers. I have a large pair sold by Snap-On Tools, and they work very well for this. The trick is to apply pressure to the sheet-metal tabs behind the sideframes....not to the sideframes themselves. Because they have such long handles, you get a lot of mechanical advantage, and the frames are easily spread just enough to remove, or insert, the axles with little effort. I also find these very useful when removing the e-unit drums for cleaning. Remember that you'll ALSO have to insulate the trucks from the metal frame with bushings and fiber washers, just like a tender. <<< I want to add electrical pick up to a set of regular AM. Flyer freight car trucks. I know I need the pick up "spring" that rubs the axles and some pick up wheel sets. I'm wondering if there's some secret way to spread the truck side frames to pop wheel sets in without breaking the side frames? I intend to be careful, of course. Stumpy Stone in Martins Ferry, OH.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33629	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: S-Chat for 1-2-05 Has Been Posted!

By popular demand the last night's s-chat has been posted in the Files area at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/S-Chat%20Transcripts/ Look for s-chat-01-2-05.txt which should be first on the list... Enjoy... Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33630	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe

I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? Happy New year to all. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33631	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe

In a message dated 01/03/2005 8:41:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, macflyer@... writes: I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? Happy New year to all. Mac Hinge the "lift" part to drop DOWN rather than up...... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33632	From: roninscho9	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Count

I bought 3 ( all NYC ) & 2 are on the way back to Lionel.due to problems with the sound units in the engine, otherwise this is a good looking & running engine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33633	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe

Mac...... Grind the ends of the track at a slight angle...... then it will clear when the panel goes up.... don't forget you need to provide some method of keeping the track aligned when its down...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge to be - Maybe > > > I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track > laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being > lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of > bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? > Happy New year to all. > Mac > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33634	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius

You can do a lot more on a 5x9 (ala ping pong) table. You have probably discovered that the Flyer radius is about 20". Flyer Pikemaster track was about 15" radius (like Lionel 031) and is a solution, but won't handle larger engines. For example, late GP7's had steps trimmed to permit operation on Pikemaster track. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe McGill" <basara76@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Track Radius > > > > I am somewhat new to American Flyer, and I have a bunch of the > original track. I'm trying to set up a 4x8 Layout at this point, but > I'm finding that the radius of the track is such that I can't fit too > much on my 4x8 slab of plywood. I see some neat stuff done with > Lionel track on 4x8, and I'm wondering if any of the various makers > of s-gauge track produce something to make my circles a bit narrower? > > Thanks for any help, > > Joe McGill > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33635	From: race944t	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Shows in Annapolis, MD

Anyone know of any good shows coming up in the Annapolis, MD area in late Jan, Feb or early Mar? Thanks, Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33636	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Count

In a message dated 1/3/2005 12:56:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, ronnat@... writes: I bought 3 ( all NYC ) & 2 are on the way back to Lionel.due to problems with the sound units in the engine, otherwise this is a good looking & running engine Bob, Did you try a doing a reset before sending the engines back? You will need a TMCC Command base/Cab-1 to do this. This process is described in the instruction manual. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33637	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. As a result I had a successful search! The only car I'm still looking for now is the WP California Zephur combo car. Russ in Oregon ---------- >From: "Russ Dondero" <dondero1@...> >To: s-trains@... >Subject: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars >Date: Sat, Jan 1, 2005, 3:56 PM > > > I'm a new member of the s-trains Yahoo group. I'm an active collector and > operator of > > I'm trying to complete several AF by Lionel high rail passenger consists. > > I'm looking for the SP vista dome car... also would be interested in a > coach car as well. > > Also on the lookout for the WP combo car and the Missouri Pacific combo and > observations cars. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Russ in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33638	From: lastman	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge help

Hi John , you will need a few additional inches of tilting bridge base and track at the point where the hinge is located ,so when the bridge goes up the other side of hinge section will go down , you may still want to cut track ends on an angle for a smaller gap , look at a flyer switch to see where the pivot point is at or maybe a car door when opening it the door never hits the fender , eg; ....track-bridge...@.track.., at @ is the hinge , hope this can help if not contact me , Happy New Year to all , Gino ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge to be - Maybe > > > I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track > laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being > lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of > bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? > Happy New year to all. > Mac > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33639	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Introducing Myself

A friend, Gale Hall, told me about S-Trains yesterday so I registered last night. I've already learned a lot from the emails I got this morning, including some about the Mikado which I will pass on to another friend who just bought one. Thanks, Gale: this is as great a group as you said. I got my first American Flyer train, the #48T Royal Blue freight, at the ripe old age of six, Christmas of 1949. It still runs great! Now I have seventeen trains. My layout can be seen at geocities.com/theupstairstrain. In addition to showing my layout and collection, the site tells about some of the lessons I learned in building it. I hope it can be of help to someone out there. And for those who also like big trains, geocities.com/beenonboard shows the trains my wife and I rode on and saw on our trip to Australia last August. Thanks for having me - it's great to be aboard! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33640	From: Joe McGill	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius

What about using another manufacturer like S-trax or American Models. I think I saw that those had Radii of like 19". That still wouldn't be like 0-27, but it's a start. Yesterday I put my train up on a trestle set for the first time and was very disappointed by the performance of my Hudson as I had to hold it to get the tender to stay on the track without tripping the reverse unit. Perhaps my track is too old/bent to work well with the Trestles any way about it. New track may be the answer. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > > You can do a lot more on a 5x9 (ala ping pong) table. You have probably > discovered that the Flyer radius is about 20". > Flyer Pikemaster track was about 15" radius (like Lionel 031) and is a > solution, but won't handle larger engines. For example, late GP7's had > steps trimmed to permit operation on Pikemaster track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33641	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF Track Radius

I similarly have problems with engines struggling up my trestle slope. Some slow down nearly to a stop, some do stop, some spin their wheels, and others make it up just fine. At least none are derailinng! I just ordered an engine tune-up kit which I hope will help. Any other suggestions? Any way to increase traction so the wheels don't spin? Thanks. Joe McGill <basara76@...> wrote: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: "Joe McGill" Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:24:46 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Track Radius What about using another manufacturer like S-trax or American Models. I think I saw that those had Radii of like 19". That still wouldn't be like 0-27, but it's a start. Yesterday I put my train up on a trestle set for the first time and was very disappointed by the performance of my Hudson as I had to hold it to get the tender to stay on the track without tripping the reverse unit. Perhaps my track is too old/bent to work well with the Trestles any way about it. New track may be the answer. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" wrote: > > You can do a lot more on a 5x9 (ala ping pong) table. You have probably > discovered that the Flyer radius is about 20". > Flyer Pikemaster track was about 15" radius (like Lionel 031) and is a > solution, but won't handle larger engines. For example, late GP7's had > steps trimmed to permit operation on Pikemaster track. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33642	From: Phil K	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe

John -- Your problem stems from where the pivot point of your hinges is located. If located below the track level, it will push against the exisiting rails on the layout when the lift-up is raised, as you mentioned. I have a lift-up on my layout and used my meager cabinetmaking skills to solve the problem by postioning the hinges so the pivot point (located at the exact middle of the pin [side view] in the hinge) is slightly above the table, right at track level. I also used a file to slightly angle the rail edges to an acceptable gap (makes a great clackety-clack noise) and round over the top edge to avoid plastic wheel damage over the longer haul. Sounds no worse than when wheels run over a set of diamonds. To get perfect rail alignment at the opposite end of the lift-up, I glued dowel pins in the bridge bottom that drop into corresponding holes on the top of the "rest plate." I used a file to slightly sharpen the ends of the dowels to help them settle into the holes. I also installed spring catches (cabinet hardware, available cheap-o at Home Dept) to hold that end firmly in place, level with the top of the layout rails. I used elongated holes to mount the rest plate so it may be adjusted up or down to bring the bridge rails to match the level of the layout rails. As I finish my layout in the next two weeks I will invent a creative way to disguise the visible part of the hinges, although they're not obstrusive. I will post some more-detailed pictures tonight when I get home. You can see some early photos of my lift bridge at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Hope this helps. I spent a lot of thinking time getting this lift-up to work the way I wanted, and am totally pleased with the results. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@f...> wrote: > > I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track > laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being > lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of > bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? > Happy New year to all. > Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33643	From: Phil K	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Turntable info

>>>I noticed a turntable in the background in one of your photos that you've posted to the 'S' list. ("Station area track being laid"). I was wondering if you would be so kind to send me some info about that table? It looks like the type that does not need a hole cut into the table top in order to install it. If this is so, then this is just the type of turntable I'm looking for. (Perhaps it's an `O' gauge table??) I need one long enough to fit S-H-S F7's A & B units. About 19"-20". Thanks, Don Member, South Jersey S-Gaugers (SJSG)<<<< Don -- It is an O-gauge table, made by Atlas. http://www.atlaso.com/oturntable.htm Retail around $149, available cheaper if you do some Google searches. It sits on top of your table, no holes to cut, the indexing system is perfect, and will easily hold my Northerns. You'll need to do some shimming to get the layout trackage up to the proper level coming in. (It's made to be compatible with the height of 3-rail Lionel track.) You'll also have to figure out how to mount 2-rail S track on top, as it has three rails for O built in. It will work for me as I use American Models track and will use tacky Instant Roadbed to cover the top of the turntable platform and mount my AM track to the turntable. Using original Gilbert 2-rail track will require additional shimming on the track coming in to get it to the level of the track you lay on the turntable bed. You'll also have to run wires from the turntable track feeds to the 2-rail track you lay down on top, but for the price, it works for me. Phil K TCA * * * NASG * * * Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33644	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Island Trains

Did any one purchase a AF Mikado from ISLAND TRAINS and receive it? The young ladfy answering the phone said they have not received them yet? However, there are some people out and about who have received 2 and 3 engines, my question is did anyone get one from Island trains? Jerry M --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33645	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Mikado - Any Problems?

> Anyway, after a day of errands I finally got to put it on the test layout. It took awhile before it started producing smoke and after less than 10 minutes of running, it now stalls out in both forward and reverse. Something seems to be binding in the drive mechanism. At least it sounds realistic when it stalls! > > Any ideas? I have a call into the guy I bought it from, but he lives in PA and hasn't made it home from the show in NJ. > I would suggest that anyone that has stalling problems check the mainrod screws on the lead driver. We have had a few loose new in the box. Just check them for snugness and it may save you from unnecessarily retuning your loco for service. Same goes for resetting the factory electronics. Follow the instructions in the manual (you did read them, didn't you?) for setting the defaults. Ron Des Plaines Hobbies

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33646	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2519

What's the wattage on a Sam the Semaphore bulb ?? Rick. The # 452 lamp for Sam is a 14 volt , .20 amp, 2.8 watt lamp Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33647	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Mikado

From reading posts to the group it appears that 3 of 5 Mikados have been delivered with problems. Two of them are being returned for repairs. I think I'll put my money elsewhere rather than risk buying a product with a 40 - 60% initial failure rate!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33648	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2519

From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Subject: Can motors.... I hate to ask again.....I'm sure you have explained it to me before!!! If, I were to pop a can motor in one of my AF steamers, and wanted to run AC still,.....I have to add a goodie to my AF reverse unit, or replace it entirely?? YES Replace with a new solid state DALLEE E-Unit or put diodes on the existing reverse unit. Now, if I ran it on DC only, I couldn't use a AF transformer? That right? WRONG! Older A.F. Loco.'s will run on DC ( except the #314AW which when run on DC the whistle blows constantly ) I would have to use a DC transformer? YES or an A.F. transformer with a full wave rectifier and a reversing switch ( DPDT switch ) Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33649	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

In a message dated 1/3/2005 5:27:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: From reading posts to the group it appears that 3 of 5 Mikados have been delivered with problems. Two of them are being returned for repairs. I think I'll put my money elsewhere rather than risk buying a product with a 40 - 60% initial failure rate!! ...and, where does one come up with these statistics? Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33650	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Mikado

Perhaps, but I know a couple who bought one and thinks it is the coolest thing they've ever seen! Even the wife comes unglued when she talks about it! bull_gator_1@... wrote: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: bull_gator_1@... Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:52:50 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado From reading posts to the group it appears that 3 of 5 Mikados have been delivered with problems. Two of them are being returned for repairs. I think I'll put my money elsewhere rather than risk buying a product with a 40 - 60% initial failure rate!! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33651	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Mikado Statistics

If you read all of the posts regarding the Mikado on this list you will see that the initial failure rate is very high. Of course it changes with every new post. If the failures are due to people not reading the manual then that certainly is not Lionel's fault. But if I buy a brand new $600 locomotive I do not expect to have to check all mechanical fasteners for tightness nor would I expect to find loose fasteners in the box. I would certainly expect it to run longer than 10 minutes without binding up. Hopefully those group members who are having good success with their Mikados will chime in and let us hear some good news. Someone might even want to set up a poll for the owners of the Mikado to rate their experience with the new engine. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33652	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: What is your first hand experience with the new American Flyer Mikado? o 100% satisfied - No Problems o Bit of a problem, found solution in manual o Had a problem, got help from List o Not happy - Contacting Dealer o Not happy - sending for refund. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1577464 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33653	From: Mac	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2521

My thanks to everyone who offered suggestions on how to do a lift bridge. My favorite was, "Hey Dummy, have the bridge go down!!" Duh. However, y'all have to check out Phil's bridges and how great they look. Thanks again Mac From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe John -- Your problem stems from where the pivot point of your hinges is located. If located below the track level, it will push against the exisiting rails on the layout when the lift-up is raised, as you mentioned. I have a lift-up on my layout and used my meager cabinetmaking skills to solve the problem by postioning the hinges so the pivot point (located at the exact middle of the pin [side view] in the hinge) is slightly above the table, right at track level. I also used a file to slightly angle the rail edges to an acceptable gap (makes a great clackety-clack noise) and round over the top edge to avoid plastic wheel damage over the longer haul. Sounds no worse than when wheels run over a set of diamonds. To get perfect rail alignment at the opposite end of the lift-up, I glued dowel pins in the bridge bottom that drop into corresponding holes on the top of the "rest plate." I used a file to slightly sharpen the ends of the dowels to help them settle into the holes. I also installed spring catches (cabinet hardware, available cheap-o at Home Dept) to hold that end firmly in place, level with the top of the layout rails. I used elongated holes to mount the rest plate so it may be adjusted up or down to bring the bridge rails to match the level of the layout rails. As I finish my layout in the next two weeks I will invent a creative way to disguise the visible part of the hinges, although they're not obstrusive. I will post some more-detailed pictures tonight when I get home. You can see some early photos of my lift bridge at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Hope this helps. I spent a lot of thinking time getting this lift-up to work the way I wanted, and am totally pleased with the results. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33654	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado problems

Did you try a doing a reset before sending the engines back? You will need a TMCC Command base/Cab-1 to do this. This process is described in the instruction manual. Yes I tried that, & no change, I switched tenders with the one eng. that worked ok & found that the other two engines have problems inside, something wrong with the sound unit / I. R. signal , I tried to call Lionel & they are still closed for the holidays ? I sent them an e-mail & it was returned because they thought it was spam ? I will try again tomorrow& will keep all posted. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33655	From: PAUL	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: More Help Needed with Track Wiring

Thanks PHIL K for your assistance with my last post! Need further help from whomever can help a novice like me trying to build the "dream layout" Converting over to American Models track from Gargraves and Flyer Im pleased with how smooth my engines run on this track - even my old junkers from when I was a kid! Problem however is turnouts and crossovers. I have two crossovers so far and nothing goes thru either. Ive isolated a rail at each crossover with Atlas Code 148 insulators. I'm using an MRC Dual 027 transformer I bought a few years back. Have wires hooked up to Track 1 and Track 2. Both lines seem to have power when crossover is switched but the engine stalls just as it enters the new main line. Am I using the correct terminals on the transformer? Ive tried the others but then nothing runs. Sorry for the dumb questions, but Im hopeful someone can help. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33656	From: roy inman	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Statistics

Concerning the binding problem, any O scale steamer I have ever purchased absolutely requires proper lubrication before running. Steam locomotives just require more maintenance than diesel...which as we all recall is the reason the prototype railroads abandoned them in the first place. Locos produced today are made to tighter tolerances than those of the Gilbert_Joshual Lionel Cowen era, therefore require some lubrication right out of the box. If they were fully lubed at the factory, when you opened the box your brand new $600 locomotive would be swimming in oil and grease. IMHO... Loose parts, now there is no excuse for that. But high-end MTH, Lionel, 3rd Rail, K-Line, and Weaver products I have seen all have displayed similar goofs fresh from the factory. So it is not just the Flyonel that has production problems. The entire run of O scale $800 UP coal turbines by MTH had to be recalled because of a problem with the truck alignment, for example. And the $1200 ATSF Warhorse Hudson engine had connecting rods so tight that they would bind up, and required a trip back to the factory for repairs. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 1/3/05 5:20 PM, bull_gator_1@... at bull_gator_1@... wrote: > > > > If you read all of the posts regarding the Mikado on this list you > will see that the initial failure rate is very high. Of course it > changes with every new post. If the failures are due to people not > reading the manual then that certainly is not Lionel's fault. But if > I buy a brand new $600 locomotive I do not expect to have to check > all mechanical fasteners for tightness nor would I expect to find > loose fasteners in the box. I would certainly expect it to run > longer than 10 minutes without binding up. Hopefully those group > members who are having good success with their Mikados will chime in > and let us hear some good news. Someone might even want to set up a > poll for the owners of the Mikado to rate their experience with the > new engine. > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33657	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe

Mine is hinged to drop, but it causes alignment problems. I would prefer a solid base for a raised panel. Dick At 10:45 AM 1/3/2005, boss31@... wrote: >In a message dated 01/03/2005 8:41:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, >macflyer@... writes: >I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track >laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being >lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of >bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? >Happy New year to all. >Mac >Hinge the "lift" part to drop DOWN rather than up...... > >Steve > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33658	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable info

Hi Don - I've got a NIB Atlas O Gauge TT for $125 + actual shipping. I bought it to try, but ended up cutting a hole and using Doug Peck's. Contact me off line if interested. dick Aurora, OH At 03:59 PM 1/3/2005, Phil K wrote: > >>>I noticed a turntable in the background in one of your photos >that you've posted to the 'S' list. ("Station area track being >laid"). I was wondering if you would be so kind to send me some info >about that table? It looks like the type that does not need a hole >cut into the table top in order to install it. If this is so, then >this is just the type of turntable I'm looking for. (Perhaps it's an >`O' gauge table??) I need one long enough to fit S-H-S F7's A & B >units. About 19"-20". > >Thanks, >Don >Member, South Jersey S-Gaugers (SJSG)<<<< > >Don -- > >It is an O-gauge table, made by Atlas. > >http://www.atlaso.com/oturntable.htm > >Retail around $149, available cheaper if you do some Google >searches. It sits on top of your table, no holes to cut, the >indexing system is perfect, and will easily hold my Northerns. >You'll need to do some shimming to get the layout trackage up to the >proper level coming in. (It's made to be compatible with the height >of 3-rail Lionel track.) > >You'll also have to figure out how to mount 2-rail S track on top, >as it has three rails for O built in. It will work for me as I use >American Models track and will use tacky Instant Roadbed to cover >the top of the turntable platform and mount my AM track to the >turntable. Using original Gilbert 2-rail track will require >additional shimming on the track coming in to get it to the level of >the track you lay on the turntable bed. You'll also have to run >wires from the turntable track feeds to the 2-rail track you lay >down on top, but for the price, it works for me. > >Phil K > >TCA * * * NASG * * * Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33659	From: garydmccullah	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Sale Update

Folk'S' The 1992 NASG CB&Q/ICG box set are claimed. By the way, they were new, in the original boxes. They may not even have been run. My thanks and condolences to all who asked about them. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33660	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Island Trains

I am still waiting to hear from Leventon hobby. I would guss mine has to go from California to Whasington state then to here in Ohio. I guess I should have ordered closer to home. Has anyone from COSG ordered and or received one? I would like to see someone make a camel back or a cabforward in S. --- Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> wrote: > > > Did any one purchase a AF Mikado from ISLAND TRAINS > and receive it? The young ladfy > answering the phone said they have not received them > yet? However, there are some people > out and about who have received 2 and 3 engines, my > question is did anyone get one from > Island trains? > > Jerry M > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33661	From: David Avedesian	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: Shows in Annapolis, MD

Bill Clark: If you give Ron Kolb, Sec. for the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club an EM, he will be able to forward to you a copy of our monthly newsletter. Our Newsletter has a listing of all the train shows in the greater Washington/Baltimore area. After you have read the newsletter and if you are interested in joining our free BAAFC, then you should let Ron know you are interested in receiving the newsletter on a monthly basis. Our Club is 12 years old with 150 members. Feel free to ask me about the Club. David Avedesian Silver Spring, MD 301 938 1811 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2521 There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. AF Track Radius From: "Joe McGill" <basara76@...> 2. re: Mikado Count From: Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> 3. RE: Spreading truck sides? From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> 4. S-Chat for 1-2-05 Has Been Posted! From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> 5. Lift Bridge to be - Maybe From: "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@...> 6. Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe From: boss31@... 7. Re: Mikado Count From: "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> 8. Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> 9. Re: AF Track Radius From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> 10. Shows in Annapolis, MD From: "race944t" <race944t@...> 11. Re: Re: Mikado Count From: rbubeck327@... 12. Re: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars From: "Russ Dondero" <dondero1@...> 13. Re: Lift Bridge help From: "lastman" <lastman@...> 14. Introducing Myself From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> 15. Re: AF Track Radius From: "Joe McGill" <basara76@...> 16. Fwd: Re: AF Track Radius From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> 17. Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> 18. Turntable info From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> 19. re: AF Mikado - Island Trains From: Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> 20. Re: FW: Mikado - Any Problems? From: "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> 21. Re: Digest Number 2519 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> 22. Mikado From: bull_gator_1@... 23. Re: Digest Number 2519 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> 24. Re: Mikado From: rbubeck327@... 25. Fwd: Mikado From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:33:38 -0000 From: "Joe McGill" <basara76@...> Subject: AF Track Radius I am somewhat new to American Flyer, and I have a bunch of the original track. I'm trying to set up a 4x8 Layout at this point, but I'm finding that the radius of the track is such that I can't fit too much on my 4x8 slab of plywood. I see some neat stuff done with Lionel track on 4x8, and I'm wondering if any of the various makers of s-gauge track produce something to make my circles a bit narrower? Thanks for any help, Joe McGill ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 05:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> Subject: re: Mikado Count As of last nights count a total of 14 have been reported purchased,. Of course that does not include mine which was ordered a year ago from Island Trains, but they haven't received their order yet? Or have they? Jerry Matsick Jax, Fl --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:38:17 -0500 From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Subject: RE: Spreading truck sides? The safest way to do this without risking the sideframes popping off, is to use a pair of O-ring pliers. I have a large pair sold by Snap-On Tools, and they work very well for this. The trick is to apply pressure to the sheet-metal tabs behind the sideframes....not to the sideframes themselves. Because they have such long handles, you get a lot of mechanical advantage, and the frames are easily spread just enough to remove, or insert, the axles with little effort. I also find these very useful when removing the e-unit drums for cleaning. Remember that you'll ALSO have to insulate the trucks from the metal frame with bushings and fiber washers, just like a tender. <<< I want to add electrical pick up to a set of regular AM. Flyer freight car trucks. I know I need the pick up "spring" that rubs the axles and some pick up wheel sets. I'm wondering if there's some secret way to spread the truck side frames to pop wheel sets in without breaking the side frames? I intend to be careful, of course. Stumpy Stone in Martins Ferry, OH.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:32:06 -0500 From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: S-Chat for 1-2-05 Has Been Posted! By popular demand the last night's s-chat has been posted in the Files area at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/S-Chat%20Transcripts/ Look for s-chat-01-2-05.txt which should be first on the list... Enjoy... Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:11:44 -0500 From: "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@...> Subject: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? Happy New year to all. Mac ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:45:12 EST From: boss31@... Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe In a message dated 01/03/2005 8:41:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, macflyer@... writes: I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? Happy New year to all. Mac Hinge the "lift" part to drop DOWN rather than up...... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:49:30 -0000 From: "roninscho9" <ronnat@...> Subject: Re: Mikado Count I bought 3 ( all NYC ) & 2 are on the way back to Lionel.due to problems with the sound units in the engine, otherwise this is a good looking & running engine ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:47:24 -0500 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe Mac...... Grind the ends of the track at a slight angle...... then it will clear when the panel goes up.... don't forget you need to provide some method of keeping the track aligned when its down...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge to be - Maybe > > > I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track > laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being > lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of > bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? > Happy New year to all. > Mac > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:27:13 -0500 From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> Subject: Re: AF Track Radius You can do a lot more on a 5x9 (ala ping pong) table. You have probably discovered that the Flyer radius is about 20". Flyer Pikemaster track was about 15" radius (like Lionel 031) and is a solution, but won't handle larger engines. For example, late GP7's had steps trimmed to permit operation on Pikemaster track. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe McGill" <basara76@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Track Radius > > > > I am somewhat new to American Flyer, and I have a bunch of the > original track. I'm trying to set up a 4x8 Layout at this point, but > I'm finding that the radius of the track is such that I can't fit too > much on my 4x8 slab of plywood. I see some neat stuff done with > Lionel track on 4x8, and I'm wondering if any of the various makers > of s-gauge track produce something to make my circles a bit narrower? > > Thanks for any help, > > Joe McGill > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:39:07 -0500 From: "race944t" <race944t@...> Subject: Shows in Annapolis, MD Anyone know of any good shows coming up in the Annapolis, MD area in late Jan, Feb or early Mar? Thanks, Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:12:32 EST From: rbubeck327@... Subject: Re: Re: Mikado Count In a message dated 1/3/2005 12:56:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, ronnat@... writes: I bought 3 ( all NYC ) & 2 are on the way back to Lionel.due to problems with the sound units in the engine, otherwise this is a good looking & running engine Bob, Did you try a doing a reset before sending the engines back? You will need a TMCC Command base/Cab-1 to do this. This process is described in the instruction manual. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:11:07 -0800 From: "Russ Dondero" <dondero1@...> Subject: Re: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. As a result I had a successful search! The only car I'm still looking for now is the WP California Zephur combo car. Russ in Oregon ---------- >From: "Russ Dondero" <dondero1@...> >To: s-trains@... >Subject: Searching for AF by Lionel passenger cars >Date: Sat, Jan 1, 2005, 3:56 PM > > > I'm a new member of the s-trains Yahoo group. I'm an active collector and > operator of > > I'm trying to complete several AF by Lionel high rail passenger consists. > > I'm looking for the SP vista dome car... also would be interested in a > coach car as well. > > Also on the lookout for the WP combo car and the Missouri Pacific combo and > observations cars. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Russ in Oregon ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:37:07 -0500 From: "lastman" <lastman@...> Subject: Re: Lift Bridge help Hi John , you will need a few additional inches of tilting bridge base and track at the point where the hinge is located ,so when the bridge goes up the other side of hinge section will go down , you may still want to cut track ends on an angle for a smaller gap , look at a flyer switch to see where the pivot point is at or maybe a car door when opening it the door never hits the fender , eg; .....track-bridge...@.track.., at @ is the hinge , hope this can help if not contact me , Happy New Year to all , Gino ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lift Bridge to be - Maybe > > > I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track > laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being > lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of > bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? > Happy New year to all. > Mac > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Introducing Myself A friend, Gale Hall, told me about S-Trains yesterday so I registered last night. I've already learned a lot from the emails I got this morning, including some about the Mikado which I will pass on to another friend who just bought one. Thanks, Gale: this is as great a group as you said. I got my first American Flyer train, the #48T Royal Blue freight, at the ripe old age of six, Christmas of 1949. It still runs great! Now I have seventeen trains. My layout can be seen at geocities.com/theupstairstrain. In addition to showing my layout and collection, the site tells about some of the lessons I learned in building it. I hope it can be of help to someone out there. And for those who also like big trains, geocities.com/beenonboard shows the trains my wife and I rode on and saw on our trip to Australia last August. Thanks for having me - it's great to be aboard! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:24:46 -0000 From: "Joe McGill" <basara76@...> Subject: Re: AF Track Radius What about using another manufacturer like S-trax or American Models. I think I saw that those had Radii of like 19". That still wouldn't be like 0-27, but it's a start. Yesterday I put my train up on a trestle set for the first time and was very disappointed by the performance of my Hudson as I had to hold it to get the tender to stay on the track without tripping the reverse unit. Perhaps my track is too old/bent to work well with the Trestles any way about it. New track may be the answer. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > > You can do a lot more on a 5x9 (ala ping pong) table. You have probably > discovered that the Flyer radius is about 20". > Flyer Pikemaster track was about 15" radius (like Lionel 031) and is a > solution, but won't handle larger engines. For example, late GP7's had > steps trimmed to permit operation on Pikemaster track. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Fwd: Re: AF Track Radius I similarly have problems with engines struggling up my trestle slope. Some slow down nearly to a stop, some do stop, some spin their wheels, and others make it up just fine. At least none are derailinng! I just ordered an engine tune-up kit which I hope will help. Any other suggestions? Any way to increase traction so the wheels don't spin? Thanks. Joe McGill <basara76@...> wrote: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: "Joe McGill" Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:24:46 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Track Radius What about using another manufacturer like S-trax or American Models. I think I saw that those had Radii of like 19". That still wouldn't be like 0-27, but it's a start. Yesterday I put my train up on a trestle set for the first time and was very disappointed by the performance of my Hudson as I had to hold it to get the tender to stay on the track without tripping the reverse unit. Perhaps my track is too old/bent to work well with the Trestles any way about it. New track may be the answer. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" wrote: > > You can do a lot more on a 5x9 (ala ping pong) table. You have probably > discovered that the Flyer radius is about 20". > Flyer Pikemaster track was about 15" radius (like Lionel 031) and is a > solution, but won't handle larger engines. For example, late GP7's had > steps trimmed to permit operation on Pikemaster track. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:23:18 -0000 From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Subject: Re: Lift Bridge to be - Maybe John -- Your problem stems from where the pivot point of your hinges is located. If located below the track level, it will push against the exisiting rails on the layout when the lift-up is raised, as you mentioned. I have a lift-up on my layout and used my meager cabinetmaking skills to solve the problem by postioning the hinges so the pivot point (located at the exact middle of the pin [side view] in the hinge) is slightly above the table, right at track level. I also used a file to slightly angle the rail edges to an acceptable gap (makes a great clackety-clack noise) and round over the top edge to avoid plastic wheel damage over the longer haul. Sounds no worse than when wheels run over a set of diamonds. To get perfect rail alignment at the opposite end of the lift-up, I glued dowel pins in the bridge bottom that drop into corresponding holes on the top of the "rest plate." I used a file to slightly sharpen the ends of the dowels to help them settle into the holes. I also installed spring catches (cabinet hardware, available cheap-o at Home Dept) to hold that end firmly in place, level with the top of the layout rails. I used elongated holes to mount the rest plate so it may be adjusted up or down to bring the bridge rails to match the level of the layout rails. As I finish my layout in the next two weeks I will invent a creative way to disguise the visible part of the hinges, although they're not obstrusive. I will post some more-detailed pictures tonight when I get home. You can see some early photos of my lift bridge at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Hope this helps. I spent a lot of thinking time getting this lift-up to work the way I wanted, and am totally pleased with the results. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M McAlonan" <macflyer@f...> wrote: > > I've installed a hinged panel on the layout to access the center. Track > laying is somewhat problematic, especially on the hinged end as track being > lifted pushes track on table back creating an unacceptable gap. I'm out of > bad ideas. Any suggestions or photo references? > Happy New year to all. > Mac ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:59:04 -0000 From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Subject: Turntable info >>>I noticed a turntable in the background in one of your photos that you've posted to the 'S' list. ("Station area track being laid"). I was wondering if you would be so kind to send me some info about that table? It looks like the type that does not need a hole cut into the table top in order to install it. If this is so, then this is just the type of turntable I'm looking for. (Perhaps it's an `O' gauge table??) I need one long enough to fit S-H-S F7's A & B units. About 19"-20". Thanks, Don Member, South Jersey S-Gaugers (SJSG)<<<< Don -- It is an O-gauge table, made by Atlas. http://www.atlaso.com/oturntable.htm Retail around $149, available cheaper if you do some Google searches. It sits on top of your table, no holes to cut, the indexing system is perfect, and will easily hold my Northerns. You'll need to do some shimming to get the layout trackage up to the proper level coming in. (It's made to be compatible with the height of 3-rail Lionel track.) You'll also have to figure out how to mount 2-rail S track on top, as it has three rails for O built in. It will work for me as I use American Models track and will use tacky Instant Roadbed to cover the top of the turntable platform and mount my AM track to the turntable. Using original Gilbert 2-rail track will require additional shimming on the track coming in to get it to the level of the track you lay on the turntable bed. You'll also have to run wires from the turntable track feeds to the 2-rail track you lay down on top, but for the price, it works for me. Phil K TCA * * * NASG * * * Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> Subject: re: AF Mikado - Island Trains Did any one purchase a AF Mikado from ISLAND TRAINS and receive it? The young ladfy answering the phone said they have not received them yet? However, there are some people out and about who have received 2 and 3 engines, my question is did anyone get one from Island trains? Jerry M --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:44:00 -0000 From: "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> Subject: Re: FW: Mikado - Any Problems? > Anyway, after a day of errands I finally got to put it on the test layout. It took awhile before it started producing smoke and after less than 10 minutes of running, it now stalls out in both forward and reverse. Something seems to be binding in the drive mechanism. At least it sounds realistic when it stalls! > > Any ideas? I have a call into the guy I bought it from, but he lives in PA and hasn't made it home from the show in NJ. > I would suggest that anyone that has stalling problems check the mainrod screws on the lead driver. We have had a few loose new in the box. Just check them for snugness and it may save you from unnecessarily retuning your loco for service. Same goes for resetting the factory electronics. Follow the instructions in the manual (you did read them, didn't you?) for setting the defaults. Ron Des Plaines Hobbies ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:52:25 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2519 What's the wattage on a Sam the Semaphore bulb ?? Rick. The # 452 lamp for Sam is a 14 volt , .20 amp, 2.8 watt lamp Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:52:50 -0000 From: bull_gator_1@... Subject: Mikado From reading posts to the group it appears that 3 of 5 Mikados have been delivered with problems. Two of them are being returned for repairs. I think I'll put my money elsewhere rather than risk buying a product with a 40 - 60% initial failure rate!! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:11:21 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 2519 From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Subject: Can motors.... I hate to ask again.....I'm sure you have explained it to me before!!! If, I were to pop a can motor in one of my AF steamers, and wanted to run AC still,.....I have to add a goodie to my AF reverse unit, or replace it entirely?? YES Replace with a new solid state DALLEE E-Unit or put diodes on the existing reverse unit. Now, if I ran it on DC only, I couldn't use a AF transformer? That right? WRONG! Older A.F. Loco.'s will run on DC ( except the #314AW which when run on DC the whistle blows constantly ) I would have to use a DC transformer? YES or an A.F. transformer with a full wave rectifier and a reversing switch ( DPDT switch ) Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:29:15 EST From: rbubeck327@... Subject: Re: Mikado In a message dated 1/3/2005 5:27:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: From reading posts to the group it appears that 3 of 5 Mikados have been delivered with problems. Two of them are being returned for repairs. I think I'll put my money elsewhere rather than risk buying a product with a 40 - 60% initial failure rate!! ....and, where does one come up with these statistics? Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:32:14 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Fwd: Mikado Perhaps, but I know a couple who bought one and thinks it is the coolest thing they've ever seen! Even the wife comes unglued when she talks about it! bull_gator_1@... wrote: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: bull_gator_1@... Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:52:50 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado From reading posts to the group it appears that 3 of 5 Mikados have been delivered with problems. Two of them are being returned for repairs. I think I'll put my money elsewhere rather than risk buying a product with a 40 - 60% initial failure rate!! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33662	From: Chris McKinley	Date: 1/3/2005
Subject: any old S Scale Loco and Supply stuff out there?

Hey group...just joined and my first post. Im looking for the above, in particular the mike/pacific boiler. Please e-mail me. Thanks a gujillion. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33663	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Mikado-For the record I read the instructions!

Thanks for all the comments. I was being cautious in posting to the list before I tried anything with my Mikado as I respect the collective wisdom of the list! Yes, I read the instructions, twice; before it even went on the track. I run conventional so I did not read anything about the TMCC resets, as it does not apply. I suspected lubrication and after receiving a few offline suggestions, I followed the lubrication diagram in the manual with success! However, nowhere in the instructions does it say lube first before running, nor does it give a recommended schedule other than lube sparingly when it appears dry. Bet when I finally get my 2-8-0 from Don there will be better instructions. I also did not have to lube my AM Streamliner out of the box, my only other brand new steamer. I like this loco overall, of course I have already had to resolve another problem. Two leads popped of the volume control while very cautiously trying to install the 9 volt. I was a digital technician in the 80's and have done lots of fine wiring, so you have to trust me when I tell you I was being cautious. The way the wires are routed to the volume control and the sound system switch makes a routine operation somewhat interesting! Anyway, it is running now and I am even getting decent smoke at mid range speeds and even slower speeds after it has been running for a while [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33664	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Announcing new S Calendar at MyFlyerTrains.Org

Hello, I would like to invite you to take a look at the new S Calendar on my website http://myflyertrains.org The 2005 Calendar Features Views from the 1955 Gilbert Catalog - "50 Years Ago" Just click [Calendar] on the top menu to enter the current months calendar. I will be writing in dates of important S Events so if you are having an event or know of one that I don't have on the calendar, email me with the details and a web / url link if you have one. Comments and suggestions always appreciated! Thanks, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33665	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Introducing ourselves.

We were referred to this list by Robert Graves, a really nice person I met on Ebay. We bought a train related item from him and made friends. We live in Simi Valley, CA. George, my husband had a box of AF in the garage some 40 years ago. I found this box 4 months ago and we started buying "train Stuff" and the rest is now history. $2500.00 later we have three tracks set up around a very old living room round coffee table. We did this so we could watch TV and the trains too. It turned out really nice. The center of the table has plants and buildings and cute stuff (about 6' in diameter). We are antique collectors but sell nothing. George is currently building a model of the Chama Coal Tipple from scratch. Happy New Year to all. Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33666	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Mikado

We purchased the last of 8 Mikado's sold by The Train Shack in Burbank, CA (sold out in 2 days we were told). We love it, the most fun we have ever had. The engine pulls our "work train" and is very cool.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33667	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: A newspaper Article

In Sundays newspaper, the Staten Island Advance, there is an article about the author of a book, Sam Posey. The books title is "Playing with Trains.........". It contains the following: Young Sam's trains were Lionel,which had one glaring drawback. It's track was flawed: instead of a realistic two rail system, Lionel had three rails. The third rail......... A distaste for Lionel track - 3 black silver rails mounted on 3 black metal ties - is common among the model railroaders Posey visits and confers with throughout his project. Please draw your own conclusions. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33668	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: FW: Re: [S-Trains] Mikado-For the record I read the instructions!

Hi Roy, I do feel I got my money's worth now that it's running. The sound is great. I'm no rivet counter, but I think the detail is fantastic. It's a great looking piece. My test layout is partially torn apart and it is running flawlessly over some dicey trackwork, including an AM turnout. I haven't run it through the crossover as I don't have power to my other loop at the moment, so I haven't encountered the problems Carl observed. I might get to test that tonight. I picked up some of the Lionel Sound Activation buttons yesterday and hooked them up to the 15B I'm using and the whistle, bell and train talk functions are very nice. At slower speeds the engine slows some as you hit the buttons. Since you have to wire the buttons in series with the variable power line, I'm wondering if the fact that the wiring on the buttons is of a smaller gauge than what I'm using for power feeds may be part of the problem. Since I run hi-rail with a lot of Flyer mixed in, I like the fact that you can lock the direction. I have a Christmas layout that runs two trains with a 761 semaphore. I can use the Mikado mixed with the Flyer thanks to this feature. If I had unlimited funds, I'd get a B&O set, but for now I'm saving pennies again until the 2-8-0's come out! -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> To: Bill Lange <blange3@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mikado-For the record I read the instructions! Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:09:39 +0000 Bill, et al, I used to work part time for a local train hobby shop and became somewhat familiar with the products as shipped from several manufacturers. Lionel ships all of its engines without lube, and in a phone conversation I had with one of their tech people, I understood it is because they don't want the lube to run all over the nice new paint. And for some other reason, Lionel does not tell the buyer to lube before running. MTH does. When I received my Southern steam engine and set from AM it ran right out of the box. Cheers :) Roy Inman PS: But all things considered, and on balance, do you folks who bought a Mikado feel that you got your money's worth? on 1/4/05 12:42 AM, Bill Lange at blange3@... wrote: > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33669	From: Paul	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Train Givaway - Please step Forward

Because I am doing some spring cleaning..... I know that several of you collect trains and give them to children. I think this is one of the best ways to promote the hobby and I am hoping that more of you will participate. Maybe start a program in your town or contribute to one of the existing ones. I have established a database for you to promote your program, reguardless of how small it is. The data will only be visible to list members. Just put n/a in any field that you would rather not publish. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/database If you are involved in this type of Train GiveAway, please tell us about it. First by entering your data into the database, but also by telling us your story. How did it get started? Where do you get names of deserving families? How many people are involved? Do you only accept trains that are in running condition? Would a gift be considered a tax deduction? Are you working with a non-profit? How many sets? How many years? (Please don't feel like you need to answer ALL these questions.) Don't be shy, your information my inspire others to get involved. Paul PS Could this sort of set be a gift at a train show? Kind of like a free raffle? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33670	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: A newspaper Article

Sam was a well known race car driver and commentator on ABC television. I believe he is still on SpeedTV. He has a large HO layout. Its a good book! Bill At 11:06 AM 1/4/2005 -0500, WEG138@... wrote: > In Sundays newspaper, the Staten Island Advance, there is an article >about the author of a book, Sam Posey. The books title is "Playing with >Trains.........". > It contains the following: > Young Sam's trains were Lionel,which had one glaring drawback. >It's track was flawed: instead of a realistic two rail system, Lionel had >three >rails. The third rail......... > A distaste for Lionel track - 3 black silver rails mounted on 3 >black metal ties - is common among the model railroaders Posey visits and >confers with throughout his project. > Please draw your own conclusions. > >Bill Greaves > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33671	From: jim.mowery	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Newbie, Looking for Help

I am new to the group and am just an operator, not a collector. I wish I could afford a lot of the trains and accessories that are out there today. I have an 8 X 11 foot layout in my garage running the trains I received in the 40's as a kid. My Father-in-law worked as a boilermaker on the SP for over 30 years. His main work for many of those years was on the Pacific Daylight. I know that the steam version of this train was made for Lionel "O" gauge, but was it ever made for AF "S" gauge? If so where might I see about getting one? I have found most of the mail interesting reading and look forward to exchanging ideas and my limited knowledge with the group. Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33672	From: Phil K	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Updated lift-up photos

After several recent requests, I've added five more detail pics of my hingework on the lift-up on my layout. Of course keep in mind this layout project is still in the construction phase. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33673	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: minium radis

How tight of a curve will the mikado and cars travel?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33674	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2522

Message: 16 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Fwd: Re: AF Track Radius I similarly have problems with engines struggling up my trestle slope. Some slow down nearly to a stop, some do stop, some spin their wheels, and others make it up just fine. At least none are derailinng! I just ordered an engine tune-up kit which I hope will help. Any other suggestions? Any way to increase traction so the wheels don't spin? Thanks. To increase traction so the wheels don't spin, I use a traction tire that I developed on all of my locomotives that are not equipped with pull-mor wheels. This tire is a strip of .009 neoprene , glued to the pair of driving wheels, I have even equipped an older American Models diesel and it works well. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33675	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: minium radis

In a message dated 1/4/2005 3:38:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, weidner@... writes: How tight of a curve will the mikado and cars travel? Standard Gilbert 19 inch radius curves. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33676	From: KEENESR@AOL.COM	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: (no subject)

HI MY NAME IS BOB K. I USE THE K SO PEOPLE KNOW WHO I AM. I AM NEW TO THIS SIGHT AND GETTING BACK INTO MY TRAINS A/F OF COURSE. I HAVE ALL MY TRAINS FROM MY CHILDHOOD DAYS HAVE'NT USED THEM IN 25 TO 30 YEARS. I'M LOOKING FOR OTHER A/F FANS IN THE TOMS RIVER NJ AREA ANY ONE INTERESTED PLEASE LET ME KNOW AT (_KEENESR@..._ (mailto:KEENESR@...) ) THANK YOU BOB K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33677	From: PAUL	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: A Second PLEA for help

Need some of the expertise of the group Im laying American Models track - have two crossovers from the two main lines. Have isolated rail in each turnout, have soldered feeders along the way to insure good electrical contact Have used ATLAS insulators in each rail Ive isolated. Using an MRC 027 DUAL POWER transformer - have hook ups for each main on terminals marked Track 1 and Track 2 Am I hooking this up correctly? Trains run great when turnouts are not switched. However, when train goes thru turnout it dies just past the second turnout as it enters new main line and wont start again. Ironically, an old flyer steamer seems to do best than all my newer stuff - seems to go a bit further before it dies. Seems to be power in both lines as indicated by a lighted caboose Ive got sitting further down the track Ive soldered jumpers from the rails as well thinking this might help Any ideas??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33678	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2522 RE.: TOUCHY LOCOS

I was just thinking that I have 5 SHS and 6 AM locos and they all ran fine out of the box. My AM K4 had rivet work loose and the factory told me an easy fix and no problems. Our modern makers seem to know something right. Anyone with problems with the Flyonel Docksiders? Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33679	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: NJ AF fans

Hi Bob K. When I lived in South Jersey, I belonged to the South Jersey S Gaugers. They have over 50 members from all over SJ. You would enjoy meeting with them. They have a web site at: http://www.trainweb.org/sjsg Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, KEENESR@A... wrote: > > HI MY NAME IS BOB K. I USE THE K SO PEOPLE KNOW WHO I AM. I AM NEW TO THIS > SIGHT AND GETTING BACK INTO MY TRAINS A/F OF COURSE. I HAVE ALL MY TRAINS FROM > MY CHILDHOOD DAYS HAVE'NT USED THEM IN 25 TO 30 YEARS. I'M LOOKING FOR OTHER > A/F FANS IN THE TOMS RIVER NJ AREA ANY ONE INTERESTED PLEASE LET ME KNOW AT > (_KEENESR@A..._ (mailto:KEENESR@A...) ) THANK YOU BOB K > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33680	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re;Digest number 2522 RE: TOUCHY LOCOS

Yes, Tom, I have a real problem with my Flyonel Docksider! They're not out yet! These have GOT to run better than the original ones. Of course to be fair, today's manufacturers have a fifty year advantage in technology over old A.C.Gilbert. Also, the original trains were made for children to play with, not collectors or operators of model railroads who will pay for extra visual and mechanical quality. I think we are truly blessed in S gauge today. History could very easily have been different and the whole thing could have died in the mid-60's when Lionel took over American Flyer! (Do you see them making Ives trains today?) Instead we have some good, full range manufacturers and lots of "little guys" making stuff for us in S gauge, and it's pretty nice stuff compared to the old Flyer! So, revel in the new trains, enjoy the old ones for what they are, THIS is the Golden Age of S! Stumpy Stone...I play with trains...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33681	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Engine tune up kit

Just curious: What does the engine tune-up kit consist of? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33682	From: brooksora	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: AF track

Whatiis the best way to clean older American Flyer track? Thanks, Ora.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33683	From: John Foley	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Josh Seltzer award button replacement

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 33684	From: chrism3667	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Hello again

I'd be interested in hearing from people who have experience machining their own parts. I already own loads of machinery, just don't have lots of experience using it. I'd like to apply the knowledge in manufacturing say an s-scale locomotive (or several!). Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33685	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: AF track

I use a glass beader,which is like sand blasting but with glass beads.It also does not hurt the paper insulators under the rails. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "brooksora" <oraebrooks@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF track > > > > Whatiis the best way to clean older American Flyer track? > Thanks, Ora. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33686	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: TOUCHY LOCOS

I have 5 AM locomotives and 4 of them had problems out of the box, 3 SHS locomotives with no problems, and 5 Flyonel with 1 problem where a pullmor band was missing. The Lionel docksiders are not available yet. --- THOMAS E HILLERY <G-WOLFGANG5@...> wrote: > I was just thinking that I have 5 SHS and 6 AM locos and they all > ran fine out of the box... Our modern makers seem to know something > right. > Anyone with problems with the Flyonel Docksiders? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33687	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Am I alone ?

I just thought I would ask. Is there anyone besides me into "S" gauge in Northern NewEngland? Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33688	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Am I alone ?

Roger, I know of two people in Maine, so I hope they will respond to you. Mike in Maryland, who thinks Maine is a second home. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ironhorse" <cofa@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Am I alone ? > > > I just thought I would ask. Is there anyone besides me into "S" gauge > in Northern NewEngland? > > Roger > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33689	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Newbie, Looking for Help

Jim, American Models makes what you're looking for: _http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/0543-074.jpg_ (http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/0543-074.jpg) Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33690	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Am I alone ?

Dear Roger, We have sold more MEC caboose than any other roadname. Our B&M SW-9 was the first to sell out. We have had great success with our New England roadnames on engines and freight cars. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. >>I just thought I would ask. Is there anyone besides me into "S" gauge >>in Northern NewEngland? >> >>Roger >> >> >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33691	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2523

In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:52:44 -0000 From: "Sue & George" <psyborg@...> Subject: Introducing ourselves. Welcome to the group. I hope you will learn as well as laugh. Only in California, trains around a round table. Say Hi to Rick "the only other guy I know to put an Easter layout on a coffee table" Evans. His knowledge and sense of humor are a staple on this list. Again, welcome, from a good ol' southern boy in Chester, Va. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33692	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2523

In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 10 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:44:43 -0000 From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Subject: Updated lift-up photos Great photo detail, Phil! I built a similar type, on a smaller scale last year for our train club. I think I'll take some photos next time we set up so everybody can compare notes. The advantage of yours is that they still make the hinges. Stanley discontinued the #335's I used for mine. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33693	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: AF 2005 Calendar

Chuck, How appropriate that you chose March (my birthday month) to show the first AF train set that my family bought (and I sitll have). It wasn't for me, but for my brothers, but once they outgrew it--ha!! MINE, ALL MINE!!! :) Great job! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33694	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help

Assuming you are running two loops separately powered with a common base between the two in-phase transformers and that you have a short stretch of track leading from a turnout on one loop to a turnout on the other. With a common base, the insulated rail should be the non-base or variable rail. The insulation is necessary to keep the variable voltage from one loop getting into the other loop and consists of an insulator (fiber pin for AF) in a single joint on the rail that leads from one loop to the other. As soon as an engine's pickup wheels cross this joint, the engine is powered by the transformer controlling the other loop. The base rail, being common is continuously powered. The transformers both need to be set at approximately equal speed settings when doing a loop change. What is the situation when the engine stops? Does it go into Neutral or is it completely without power? If it goes into neutral, there was a break in supply voltage. This could be caused by incorrectly using two insulators where only one is needed. This could be either using two insulators on a single rail, creating a dead rail section, or using insulators on both the variable rail and the base rail. In the latter case, the base posts are probably not connected together, and the engines pickup wheels are momentarily on one transformer's base post and the other transformer's variable post, or vice-versa, and this brief break in the supply current causes a cycle of the reverse unit, putting the engine into neutral. It's also possible that perhaps the two loops are wired in reverse of each other so at some point the pickup wheels are on both transformer's base posts (or variable posts) at the same time, instead of the base and variable of one transformer. If the engine goes completely dead, then there is a wiring problem, which could also be due to the previous problem. Leave the engine in the dead state and locate where its pickup wheels are and then figure out why the sections of track that the pickup wheels are sitting on are not powered by the same transformer. Use a voltmeter or patch cords to do this. To connect base posts from two transformers together so that they are in phase: connect the base posts together and then run a patch cord from the constant voltage post of one transformer and then touch the other end of the cord to the other transformer's constant post. If it sparks a lot, the transformers are out of phase and you need to reverse one of the transformer's line plug in the wall socket. When you have them in phase, mark the plugs so that they are always plugged in the same way from then on. --- PAUL <branforddinerguy@...> wrote: > > Im laying American Models track - have two crossovers from the two > main lines. Have isolated rail in each turnout, have soldered > feeders along the way to insure good electrical contact > Have used ATLAS insulators in each rail Ive isolated. > Using an MRC 027 DUAL POWER transformer - have hook ups for each > main on terminals marked Track 1 and Track 2 Am I hooking this up > correctly? > > Trains run great when turnouts are not switched. However, when > train goes thru turnout it dies just past the second turnout as it > enters new main line and wont start again. Ironically, an old flyer > steamer seems to do best than all my newer stuff - seems to go a bit > further before it dies. > > Seems to be power in both lines as indicated by a lighted caboose > Ive got sitting further down the track > Ive soldered jumpers from the rails as well thinking this might help > Any ideas?? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33695	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: AF Mikado

Well....today I received my B&O set. After reading the posts on here from those who had gotten theirs earlier, I followed suggestions and hints. I read the manul then proceeded to oil and grease the chassis following the diagram in the book (which could have had a better picture and more detail.) I borrowed a TMCC set from a friend to see just what this engine could do. I had a little trouble getting it going but after that...I was simply amazed. It ran like a charm at all speeds (using an 18B and original AF track.) The smoke that thing puts out is amazing.....in fact I had to shut it off...which you can do with the TMCC and no need to pull the boiler front off to shut the switch off. All in all I am glad I got one and I think it is worth every penny. When you open the boxes, there are little blue ribbons to lift the cars and engine out. How appropriate! Would I do it again? Definitely!! I want more :) Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33697	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Touchy Locos

One thing that can make steam locomotives "touchy" (that is, easily trip into neutral, reverse, etc.) is a seperating fiber shoulder washer on the tender pivots. If the tender trucks can rock too much, they apparently don't stay on the rail enough for good electrical contact. The shoulder on the fiber washers seperate, allowing the truck to rock excessively. The only cure I've found is to remove the rivet, replace the washer and the rivet.. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33698	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: B&O Set

I have one extra new-in-box, never opened Lionel #6-49612 American Flyer B&O Mikado passenger set for sale. First one to come up with $700 owns this set. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33699	From: Phil K	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Hinges similar to what I used for lift-up

My first try at inserting a link bombed out because it was too long. So let's go this way: I'm pretty sure I got the hinges at Rockler. Here is a hinge similar to what I used. Go to: http://www.rockler.com Next click on hardware, then hinges. The first from the left [Face Frame Lipped 3/8" inset] will do the job for you. Click there. I used hinges similar to the one picture third from the left. You'll just have to figure out how to apply it to your own benchwork. I've posted new photos of how I did it at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 My layout top is 1/2-inch plywood covered with 1/2-inch Homosote. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33700	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Locos Not Going Up a Grade

Gerald Dobbs and Robert Graves wrote about locos that would not climb their trestle sets: <Message: 12 < Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:59:58 -0700 < From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> <Subject: Re: Digest Number 2522 < < < <Message: 16 < Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:09:00 -0800 (PST) < From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> <Subject: Fwd: Re: AF Track Radius < <I similarly have problems with engines struggling up <my trestle slope. <Some slow down nearly to a stop, some do stop, some <spin their wheels, <and others make it up just fine. At least none are <derailinng! < <I just ordered an engine tune-up kit which I hope <will help. Any other <suggestions? Any way to increase traction so the <wheels don't spin? < <Thanks. To easily solve this problem, especially on non-Pull-Mor locos, replace their rear driver wheels with a pair of our vulcanized tire replacement rims, which cost $15 a pair. These rims will turn a 300 Atlantic (or other steamer with non-plastic wheels) into an absolutely great pulling and climbing locomotive. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33701	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/4/2005
Subject: Re: AF track

***(((Whatiis the best way to clean older American Flyer track? Thanks, Ora.)))**** In most cases, I find using just a green-back cleaning sponge cleans the rails nicely. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33702	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Defense Of Gilbert And Yankees

Defense Of Gilbert And Yankees An article in Classic Toy Trains on the AF Seaboard walking brakeman attacks Yankees and Gilbert, for being a Yankee, as being anti-southern. The article claims Gilbert only produced Southern and other areas roadnames because he knew he had to. My response is that New Englanders (Yankees) should not be painted with the same brush. I think that there is a problem when an O gauge magazine writes about S gauge, of which it knows very little!! S gauge was in big demand back then, a rival of Lionel, so there was a large market to make whatever roadnames they chose to. Even cars that said American Flyer Lines sold, as well as other imaginary schemes. The trains are two rail and more scale proportionate than O, and therefore more realistic. Maybe S is really becoming a threat again, so there is an unsubstantiated character attack on the dead man who created it! Robert King Massachusetts!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33703	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Mikados

Hi All: Just got back from US and saw all the e-mails on the Lionel Mikado's. Does anyone know where there might be a B&O set for sale? Tx for the information. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33704	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: B&O Set

The B&O Set has been sold. Thanks for everyone who expressed interest. I did not realize the demand for this item. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33705	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cool train float/ Rose Parade

Hi all: Just got back from California - saw the floats on the day after the parade in Pasadena. Yes, the Honda train float was pretty impressive (wasn't it a 4-8-4?), and even have a few pictures of it. (that is if I can get the several hundred pics from my camera to the PC). Regards Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Rick Evans wrote: >Wow!! Tooo cool.....longest float ever!!! >Great steam loco!! > >If ya missed it, check a repeat showing!!! > >Rick. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33706	From: Art	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re AF Track

Hi: I have found a grey ink eraser to work well on rails that are dirty, but not rusted. On rust, I got the suggestion from this group some time ago to try crumpled up aluminum foil and it seems to work pretty well on light rust on the rails. Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33707	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Hinges similar to what I used for lift-up

Or try this: http://tinyurl.com/586vv --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: ...I used hinges similar to the one picture third from the left. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33708	From: roy inman	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikados

Vance, As of Friday, Des Plains Hobbies in Des Plains, IL had "several," as his email described their inventory. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 1/5/05 8:47 AM, velapoldi at velapoldi@... wrote: > > > Hi All: > Just got back from US and saw all the e-mails on the Lionel Mikado's. > Does anyone know where there might be a B&O set for sale? Tx for the > information. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33709	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikados

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > Vance, > As of Friday, Des Plains Hobbies in Des Plains, IL had "several," as his > email described their inventory. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > Roy: Thanks for the plug. We found more locos and sets and even the B&O add on so we still have several in stock. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax:1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33710	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set

Maybe if the demand is high enough we could talk lionel into another run of them. --- Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > > The B&O Set has been sold. Thanks for everyone who > expressed interest. I did not realize the demand > for > this item. > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: > 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC > 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer > Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part > lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert > Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master > Card/Visa > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33711	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Introducing Myself

If you haven't checked out "newbie" Robert's photos yet, you can at: http://geocities.com/theupstairstrain/ And welcome aboard Robert!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33712	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikados

As of today, 29 people reported purchased of the Lionel AF Mikado! Jerry Matsick roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: Vance, As of Friday, Des Plains Hobbies in Des Plains, IL had "several," as his email described their inventory. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 1/5/05 8:47 AM, velapoldi at velapoldi@... wrote: > > > Hi All: > Just got back from US and saw all the e-mails on the Lionel Mikado's. > Does anyone know where there might be a B&O set for sale? Tx for the > information. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33713	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Hinges similar to what I used for lift-up

Hi all: There have been lots of e-mails and discussion on lift-up bridges (and even one "lift-down" suggestion). About a year ago, there was a similar thread and I had somee-mail conversations with friends of Phil K (and maybe Phil himself?) trying to get more info on Phil's "in process" construction effort as I was thinking about going to around the room layout to give me broader curves. The additional info was not available at that time, but I found an article and sent a copy to someone else about the swing-down bridge (which really seems a bit easier because you don't have the problem of lifting the track up and away and eliminates the "large gap" when one does so). If anyone is interested, I can look for the scanned pictures/details for the swing-down bridge. I never built it, but may do so in the future if I want to have around the room running in addition to the two waterwings layout that I am now building. I am also waiting for the #6 (well, maybe #5) closed frog switches that SHS is coming out with before I do much more track laying - the closed frog switches that I now have involve quite a bit of work in spiking, attaching throws, etc. (I am lazy - also have a lot of other things to do) so I will wait for these unless absolutely critical!! Hurry up Don :-) (not that you don't have a zillion other things to do!)! regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Phil K wrote: >My first try at inserting a link bombed out because it was too long. > >So let's go this way: > >I'm pretty sure I got the hinges at Rockler. Here is a hinge similar >to what I used. Go to: > >http://www.rockler.com > >Next click on hardware, then hinges. The first from the left [Face >Frame Lipped 3/8" inset] will do the job for you. Click there. >I used hinges similar to the one picture third from the left. > >You'll just have to figure out how to apply it to your own >benchwork. I've posted new photos of how I did it at: > >http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 > >My layout top is 1/2-inch plywood covered with 1/2-inch Homosote. > >Phil K > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33714	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Locos Not Going Up a Grade

Hi Joe: How easy are the vulcanized tire replacement rims to apply? regards, Rance Joseph Haenn wrote: >Gerald Dobbs and Robert Graves wrote about locos that >would not climb their trestle sets: > ><Message: 12 >< Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:59:58 -0700 >< From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> ><Subject: Re: Digest Number 2522 >< >< >< ><Message: 16 >< Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:09:00 -0800 (PST) >< From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> ><Subject: Fwd: Re: AF Track Radius >< ><I similarly have problems with engines struggling up ><my trestle slope. ><Some slow down nearly to a stop, some do stop, some ><spin their wheels, ><and others make it up just fine. At least none are ><derailinng! >< ><I just ordered an engine tune-up kit which I hope ><will help. Any other ><suggestions? Any way to increase traction so the ><wheels don't spin? >< ><Thanks. > >To easily solve this problem, especially on >non-Pull-Mor locos, replace their rear driver wheels >with a pair of our vulcanized tire replacement rims, >which cost $15 a pair. These rims will turn a 300 >Atlantic (or other steamer with non-plastic wheels) >into an absolutely great pulling and climbing >locomotive. > >Joe > > >===== >Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 >404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 >Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines >American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International >joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33715	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Mikado problems

There are a lot of loose sound boards that just need to be pushed into place due to shipping. Try that first or have a repair station do it and check it out first. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33716	From: roy inman	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set

The same two versions are shown in the current Lionel catalog, so one might presume that they will indeed do another run. Roy Inman on 1/5/05 12:09 PM, bruce weidner at weidner@... wrote: > > > Maybe if the demand is high enough we could talk > lionel into another run of them. > > > > > > > > > --- Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > >> >> >> The B&O Set has been sold. Thanks for everyone who >> expressed interest. I did not realize the demand >> for >> this item. >> >> Joe >> >> ===== >> Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: >> 919/471-2613*9 >> 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC >> 27572-9338 >> Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer >> Parts Dealer >> Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part >> lines >> American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert >> Rerpoductions >> Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International >> joestrainrepair@... Master >> Card/Visa >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33717	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: machining parts ,tools, and methods

I tryed to send this yesterday but my connection was droped and message did not get through. As far as machining trains and parts a good place to start is wheel sets and trucks, scratch builders are always in need of them. I do not know much about maching anything but have been experimenting with casting and molding plastic/resin parts. Do not be afraid of searching other hobby sites and list you never know where you will find a good tip or information, I found so ideas for casting and molding on a model spaceship web site. If you are considering a steam loco you may want to diecast the boiler. and machine the chassie and wheels. If you could find a junker marx 999 you could make a mold of the boiler and make/machine a chassie with s gauge wheels and a good motor to make a nice little locomotive even though it is O gauge the scale is close to 3/16th inch. scale(also known as S and 1:64) I took a old flyer gondola and made a 2 part mold of it out of 6 or 7 castings i got 4 useable gondolas. All i need now is a way to attach AM trucks to them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33718	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Free Atlas transittion joiners

Hey gang - I have 7 packets of 6 each Atlas track to Tubular O joiners . Free to anyone who will send a self addressed stamped (3 stamps)envelope. First response get it. Jerry Matsick Now a "s" gauger PS Normal selling price in Hobby Shop is $ 2.99 for each packet __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33719	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Casting and molding

Is there anyone out there who has cast parts and made molds? maybe we could start a scathbuilding list? I am always looking for good information on casting and molding.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33720	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Redirected post: he has sloppy trucks on a 312 tender

From basara76@..., somehow ended up in my mailbox: I've had that same problem with the tender rocking back and forth on my 312 Locomotive. I had a heck of a time trying to replace the rivets on the pilot trucks on a locomotive and am scared to attempt replacing the rivets on the tender trucks. Is there an easy way to go about this? Joe ***************************************************************** In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > > One thing that can make steam locomotives "touchy" (that is, easily trip > into neutral, reverse, etc.) is a seperating fiber shoulder washer on the > tender pivots. If the tender trucks can rock too much, they apparently don't > stay on the rail enough for good electrical contact. The shoulder on the > fiber washers seperate, allowing the truck to rock excessively. The only > cure I've found is to remove the rivet, replace the washer and the rivet.. > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33721	From: PAUL	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help

Thanks Scott - I appreciate the help. Thanks Phil K too! I think Ive done the wiring corectly per both your instructions I believe theres a problem with the turnout itself - seems one of the rails is loose in the turnout. I noticed if I put some pressure on it, power is restored. It has enough tension it seems and is making contact with the outside rails. Would it help to (is it possible?) to solder some feeders to the brass plate under the rail on the turnout? Ive been accustomed to Flyer switches all these years and this is all new to me! Im certainly learning some new skills I guess (as I ruin the switches) Thanks again to you both for your help. Paul (in Branford) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > > Assuming you are running two loops separately powered with a common > base between the two in-phase transformers and that you have a short > stretch of track leading from a turnout on one loop to a turnout on the > other. With a common base, the insulated rail should be the non- base or > variable rail. The insulation is necessary to keep the variable voltage > from one loop getting into the other loop and consists of an insulator > (fiber pin for AF) in a single joint on the rail that leads from one > loop to the other. As soon as an engine's pickup wheels cross this > joint, the engine is powered by the transformer controlling the other > loop. The base rail, being common is continuously powered. The > transformers both need to be set at approximately equal speed settings > when doing a loop change. > > What is the situation when the engine stops? Does it go into Neutral or > is it completely without power? > > If it goes into neutral, there was a break in supply voltage. This > could be caused by incorrectly using two insulators where only one is > needed. This could be either using two insulators on a single rail, > creating a dead rail section, or using insulators on both the variable > rail and the base rail. In the latter case, the base posts are probably > not connected together, and the engines pickup wheels are momentarily > on one transformer's base post and the other transformer's variable > post, or vice-versa, and this brief break in the supply current causes > a cycle of the reverse unit, putting the engine into neutral. It's also > possible that perhaps the two loops are wired in reverse of each other > so at some point the pickup wheels are on both transformer's base posts > (or variable posts) at the same time, instead of the base and variable > of one transformer. > > If the engine goes completely dead, then there is a wiring problem, > which could also be due to the previous problem. Leave the engine in > the dead state and locate where its pickup wheels are and then figure > out why the sections of track that the pickup wheels are sitting on are > not powered by the same transformer. Use a voltmeter or patch cords to > do this. > > To connect base posts from two transformers together so that they are > in phase: connect the base posts together and then run a patch cord > from the constant voltage post of one transformer and then touch the > other end of the cord to the other transformer's constant post. If it > sparks a lot, the transformers are out of phase and you need to reverse > one of the transformer's line plug in the wall socket. When you have > them in phase, mark the plugs so that they are always plugged in the > same way from then on. > > --- PAUL <branforddinerguy@y...> wrote: > > > > Im laying American Models track - have two crossovers from the two > > main lines. Have isolated rail in each turnout, have soldered > > feeders along the way to insure good electrical contact > > Have used ATLAS insulators in each rail Ive isolated. > > Using an MRC 027 DUAL POWER transformer - have hook ups for each > > main on terminals marked Track 1 and Track 2 Am I hooking this up > > correctly? > > > > Trains run great when turnouts are not switched. However, when > > train goes thru turnout it dies just past the second turnout as it > > enters new main line and wont start again. Ironically, an old flyer > > steamer seems to do best than all my newer stuff - seems to go a bit > > further before it dies. > > > > Seems to be power in both lines as indicated by a lighted caboose > > Ive got sitting further down the track > > Ive soldered jumpers from the rails as well thinking this might help > > Any ideas?? > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33722	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue

>> Maybe if the demand is high enough we could talk lionel into another run of them.<< Others who have been at this hobby far longer than I might have a more experienced view, but I can't recall Flyonel ever doing a "second run" of anything in S since they started producing stuff for us in 1979. They made a mistake by producing too many Baggage Smasher and Talking Station reduxes. Same to an extent with the Gabe, Light Tower and Oil Derrick, as new ones are still widely available for sale at discount prices. I'm sure Lionel was hoping a lot of their O gaugers would buy these things, too. The Big L ended up selling them off at blowout prices to their biggest dealers, much to my chagrin, after many of us ordered them at the original price. I ordered two of each of the stations, just to have one for the layout and another for the "investment" shelf should they become a hot commodity. Not. The collector side of me wishes I knew how many B&O sets and NYC Mikes Lionel actually made, and if there are more in a yet- undelivered container. From reading this board, they're already very hard to find after being delivered only two weeks ago. I do remember hearing a rumor that Lionel "found" another skid or two of the NP sets long after they were sold out in stores. One large hobby dealer I spoke to said he thought there would be no more Mikes manufactured after the original run, but that's one man's opinion. The operator side of me ordered a Mike almost two years ago, when they were first announced. With the current state of Lionel, I would doubt they'd err on the side of overproducing something as expensive. Just my opinion. I also ordered one of Don Thompson's Consolidation steam locos when they were first announced. Knowing him and his excellent track record for both meticulous design and customer service, I know I won't be disappointed. Those who haven't ordered one of these yet might consider doing so now, as not to get left out if they go as quickly as the Mikes. Both the Mikado and the Consolidation have enough detail to keep most hi-rail and scale guys happy (except for the flanges on the Mike). Manufacturing S in such fine detail is a first for Flyonel, and hopefully not a last. I still run my Gilbert Flyer, but have plenty of Flyonel, SHS and AM locomotives as well. Just my $0.02 between wrestling matches with my snowblower in Chicago, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33723	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help

Hi Paul -- I had similar continuity problems with a couple of AM turnouts, if that's the problem. Found out where by using a voltmeter. Lousy connection to one of the "freestanding" rails. A quick solder job and all was well again. I'll post a photo in my album of the repair, which is slightly crude, but maybe it'll help you. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "PAUL" <branforddinerguy@y...> wrote: > > > Thanks Scott - I appreciate the help. > Thanks Phil K too! > > I think Ive done the wiring corectly per both your instructions > I believe theres a problem with the turnout itself - seems one of the > rails is loose in the turnout. I noticed if I put some pressure on > it, power is restored. It has enough tension it seems and is making > contact with the outside rails. > > Would it help to (is it possible?) to solder > some feeders to the brass plate under the rail on the turnout? > Ive been accustomed to Flyer switches all these years and this is > all new to me! Im certainly learning some new skills I guess (as I > ruin the switches) > Thanks again to you both for your help. > > Paul (in Branford) > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > > > > Assuming you are running two loops separately powered with a common > > base between the two in-phase transformers and that you have a > short > > stretch of track leading from a turnout on one loop to a turnout > on the > > other. With a common base, the insulated rail should be the non- > base or > > variable rail. The insulation is necessary to keep the variable > voltage > > from one loop getting into the other loop and consists of an > insulator > > (fiber pin for AF) in a single joint on the rail that leads from > one > > loop to the other. As soon as an engine's pickup wheels cross this > > joint, the engine is powered by the transformer controlling the > other > > loop. The base rail, being common is continuously powered. The > > transformers both need to be set at approximately equal speed > settings > > when doing a loop change. > > > > What is the situation when the engine stops? Does it go into > Neutral or > > is it completely without power? > > > > If it goes into neutral, there was a break in supply voltage. This > > could be caused by incorrectly using two insulators where only one > is > > needed. This could be either using two insulators on a single rail, > > creating a dead rail section, or using insulators on both the > variable > > rail and the base rail. In the latter case, the base posts are > probably > > not connected together, and the engines pickup wheels are > momentarily > > on one transformer's base post and the other transformer's variable > > post, or vice-versa, and this brief break in the supply current > causes > > a cycle of the reverse unit, putting the engine into neutral. It's > also > > possible that perhaps the two loops are wired in reverse of each > other > > so at some point the pickup wheels are on both transformer's base > posts > > (or variable posts) at the same time, instead of the base and > variable > > of one transformer. > > > > If the engine goes completely dead, then there is a wiring problem, > > which could also be due to the previous problem. Leave the engine > in > > the dead state and locate where its pickup wheels are and then > figure > > out why the sections of track that the pickup wheels are sitting > on are > > not powered by the same transformer. Use a voltmeter or patch > cords to > > do this. > > > > To connect base posts from two transformers together so that they > are > > in phase: connect the base posts together and then run a patch cord > > from the constant voltage post of one transformer and then touch > the > > other end of the cord to the other transformer's constant post. If > it > > sparks a lot, the transformers are out of phase and you need to > reverse > > one of the transformer's line plug in the wall socket. When you > have > > them in phase, mark the plugs so that they are always plugged in > the > > same way from then on. > > > > --- PAUL <branforddinerguy@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Im laying American Models track - have two crossovers from the > two > > > main lines. Have isolated rail in each turnout, have soldered > > > feeders along the way to insure good electrical contact > > > Have used ATLAS insulators in each rail Ive isolated. > > > Using an MRC 027 DUAL POWER transformer - have hook ups for each > > > main on terminals marked Track 1 and Track 2 Am I hooking this > up > > > correctly? > > > > > > Trains run great when turnouts are not switched. However, when > > > train goes thru turnout it dies just past the second turnout as > it > > > enters new main line and wont start again. Ironically, an old > flyer > > > steamer seems to do best than all my newer stuff - seems to go a > bit > > > further before it dies. > > > > > > Seems to be power in both lines as indicated by a lighted > caboose > > > Ive got sitting further down the track > > > Ive soldered jumpers from the rails as well thinking this might > help > > > Any ideas?? > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33724	From: Phil K	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: There was at least one Flyonel reissue...

>>Lionel did a second run of the B&O Alcos back in the early 80s. First run had Gilbert style motors, second run had can motors. Harwood<< Thanks! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33725	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: thanks

I would like to thank all who have gotten info and passed it on about the Lionel Mikado's. Got one. Anyone know where there is an extra two car set for the B&O lionel set? Also, how does the TMCC work? Guess Carl Tuveson has the info tucked away on his site. Thanks again to the great guys on our S gauge lists. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33726	From: hgetrain	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue

- I received my NYC Mikado today and can say it is the finest non- brass S gauge locomotive I have ever seen. The B&O set is also great. Lionel has a real winner here and I would be very surprised if we don't see several runs of this locomotive in different roadnames. I hope the SHS 2-8-0 will prove to be as nice. These products should attract new "blood" to S gauge. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > > >> Maybe if the demand is high enough we could talk > lionel into another run of them.<< > > Others who have been at this hobby far longer than I might have a > more experienced view, but I can't recall Flyonel ever doing > a "second run" of anything in S since they started producing stuff > for us in 1979. > > They made a mistake by producing too many Baggage Smasher and > Talking Station reduxes. Same to an extent with the Gabe, Light > Tower and Oil Derrick, as new ones are still widely available for > sale at discount prices. I'm sure Lionel was hoping a lot of their O > gaugers would buy these things, too. The Big L ended up selling them > off at blowout prices to their biggest dealers, much to my chagrin, > after many of us ordered them at the original price. I ordered two > of each of the stations, just to have one for the layout and another > for the "investment" shelf should they become a hot commodity. Not. > > The collector side of me wishes I knew how many B&O sets and NYC > Mikes Lionel actually made, and if there are more in a yet- > undelivered container. From reading this board, they're already very > hard to find after being delivered only two weeks ago. I do remember > hearing a rumor that Lionel "found" another skid or two of the NP > sets long after they were sold out in stores. One large hobby dealer > I spoke to said he thought there would be no more Mikes manufactured > after the original run, but that's one man's opinion. > > The operator side of me ordered a Mike almost two years ago, > when they were first announced. With the current state of Lionel, I > would doubt they'd err on the side of overproducing something as > expensive. Just my opinion. > > I also ordered one of Don Thompson's Consolidation steam locos when > they were first announced. Knowing him and his excellent track > record for both meticulous design and customer service, I know I > won't be disappointed. Those who haven't ordered one of these yet > might consider doing so now, as not to get left out if they go as > quickly as the Mikes. Both the Mikado and the Consolidation have > enough detail to keep most hi-rail and scale guys happy (except for > the flanges on the Mike). Manufacturing S in such fine detail is a > first for Flyonel, and hopefully not a last. I still run my Gilbert > Flyer, but have plenty of Flyonel, SHS and AM locomotives as well. > > Just my $0.02 between wrestling matches with my snowblower in > Chicago, > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33727	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue

--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: > Others who have been at this hobby far longer than I might have a > more experienced view, but I can't recall Flyonel ever doing > a "second run" of anything in S since they started producing stuff > for us in 1979. This is different. For the first time Lionel made Flyer with new tooling and I assume they will want to recoup their tooling cost. As long as the demand is there, Lionel will continue to churn them out. I don't think Lionel even knows what the demand is for some of the items they have produced. I'm sure they could re-release the SF, NP, SP, and UP passenger sets and make a bunch of sales. I still have hopes that they will do the heavyweight passenger cars, and maybe someday they'll do the track gang accessory too. But, as Chris Zizzo used to say, "I want BIG steam!" Why doesn't anybody make a big steam engine? I thought we might have had it with K-line, but they abandoned the project. Oh well. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33728	From: PAUL	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: A Second PLEA for help

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > Hi Paul -- > > I had similar continuity problems with a couple of AM turnouts, if > that's the problem. Found out where by using a voltmeter. Lousy > connection to one of the "freestanding" rails. A quick solder job > and all was well again. I'll post a photo in my album of the repair, > which is slightly crude, but maybe it'll help you. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 > > Phil K > > *************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "PAUL" <branforddinerguy@y...> > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Scott - I appreciate the help. > > Thanks Phil K too! > > > > I think Ive done the wiring corectly per both your instructions > > I believe theres a problem with the turnout itself - seems one of > the > > rails is loose in the turnout. I noticed if I put some pressure on > > it, power is restored. It has enough tension it seems and is > making > > contact with the outside rails. > > > > Would it help to (is it possible?) to solder > > some feeders to the brass plate under the rail on the turnout? > > Ive been accustomed to Flyer switches all these years and this is > > all new to me! Im certainly learning some new skills I guess (as > I > > ruin the switches) > > Thanks again to you both for your help. > > > > Paul (in Branford) > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Assuming you are running two loops separately powered with a > common > > > base between the two in-phase transformers and that you have a > > short > > > stretch of track leading from a turnout on one loop to a turnout > > on the > > > other. With a common base, the insulated rail should be the non- > > base or > > > variable rail. The insulation is necessary to keep the variable > > voltage > > > from one loop getting into the other loop and consists of an > > insulator > > > (fiber pin for AF) in a single joint on the rail that leads from > > one > > > loop to the other. As soon as an engine's pickup wheels cross > this > > > joint, the engine is powered by the transformer controlling the > > other > > > loop. The base rail, being common is continuously powered. The > > > transformers both need to be set at approximately equal speed > > settings > > > when doing a loop change. > > > > > > What is the situation when the engine stops? Does it go into > > Neutral or > > > is it completely without power? > > > > > > If it goes into neutral, there was a break in supply voltage. > This > > > could be caused by incorrectly using two insulators where only > one > > is > > > needed. This could be either using two insulators on a single > rail, > > > creating a dead rail section, or using insulators on both the > > variable > > > rail and the base rail. In the latter case, the base posts are > > probably > > > not connected together, and the engines pickup wheels are > > momentarily > > > on one transformer's base post and the other transformer's > variable > > > post, or vice-versa, and this brief break in the supply current > > causes > > > a cycle of the reverse unit, putting the engine into neutral. > It's > > also > > > possible that perhaps the two loops are wired in reverse of each > > other > > > so at some point the pickup wheels are on both transformer's > base > > posts > > > (or variable posts) at the same time, instead of the base and > > variable > > > of one transformer. > > > > > > If the engine goes completely dead, then there is a wiring > problem, > > > which could also be due to the previous problem. Leave the > engine > > in > > > the dead state and locate where its pickup wheels are and then > > figure > > > out why the sections of track that the pickup wheels are sitting > > on are > > > not powered by the same transformer. Use a voltmeter or patch > > cords to > > > do this. > > > > > > To connect base posts from two transformers together so that > they > > are > > > in phase: connect the base posts together and then run a patch > cord > > > from the constant voltage post of one transformer and then touch > > the > > > other end of the cord to the other transformer's constant post. > If > > it > > > sparks a lot, the transformers are out of phase and you need to > > reverse > > > one of the transformer's line plug in the wall socket. When you > > have > > > them in phase, mark the plugs so that they are always plugged in > > the > > > same way from then on. > > > > > > --- PAUL <branforddinerguy@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Im laying American Models track - have two crossovers from the > > two > > > > main lines. Have isolated rail in each turnout, have soldered > > > > feeders along the way to insure good electrical contact > > > > Have used ATLAS insulators in each rail Ive isolated. > > > > Using an MRC 027 DUAL POWER transformer - have hook ups for > each > > > > main on terminals marked Track 1 and Track 2 Am I hooking > this > > up > > > > correctly? > > > > > > > > Trains run great when turnouts are not switched. However, > when > > > > train goes thru turnout it dies just past the second turnout > as > > it > > > > enters new main line and wont start again. Ironically, an old > > flyer > > > > steamer seems to do best than all my newer stuff - seems to go > a > > bit > > > > further before it dies. > > > > > > > > Seems to be power in both lines as indicated by a lighted > > caboose > > > > Ive got sitting further down the track > > > > Ive soldered jumpers from the rails as well thinking this > might > > help > > > > Any ideas?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33729	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue

In this regard, it would be nice if either American Models, SHS or Flyonel would produce passenger car sets of the GN 'Empire Builder' Budd cars. One could then match the cars with the GN engines - SHS F7, or the AM ALCO or FP-7 already produced. Russ in Oregon ---------- >From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue >Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2005, 3:57 PM > > > > --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: >> Others who have been at this hobby far longer than I might have a >> more experienced view, but I can't recall Flyonel ever doing >> a "second run" of anything in S since they started producing stuff >> for us in 1979. > > This is different. For the first time Lionel made Flyer with new > tooling and I assume they will want to recoup their tooling cost. As > long as the demand is there, Lionel will continue to churn them out. > > I don't think Lionel even knows what the demand is for some of the > items they have produced. I'm sure they could re-release the SF, NP, > SP, and UP passenger sets and make a bunch of sales. > > I still have hopes that they will do the heavyweight passenger cars, > and maybe someday they'll do the track gang accessory too. > > But, as Chris Zizzo used to say, "I want BIG steam!" Why doesn't > anybody make a big steam engine? I thought we might have had it with > K-line, but they abandoned the project. Oh well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33730	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible second issue

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > > >> Maybe if the demand is high enough we could talk > lionel into another run of them.<< > > Others who have been at this hobby far longer than I might have a > more experienced view, but I can't recall Flyonel ever doing > a "second run" of anything in S since they started producing stuff > for us in 1979. I believe the "original" B&O set, the 1981 PA-1 freight set was re- run by Lionel in 1983. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33731	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: B&O set

Lots of interesting discussion on this but so far no one has just the cars for sale. I hope Lionel does produce another run, this time available with seperate cars. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33732	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado on Ebay

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: There is one on Ebay that is miscategorized in O-scale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5946503952 Robby: Thank you! I won it for the list price of $465.00.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33733	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: FYI - Recent Mikado Pricing

S-Folks, A Mik recently closed on eBay and I thought it might interest the group to see the winning price: Winning bid: US $465.00 Ended: Jan-04-05 10:51:22 PST Start time: Dec-28-04 10:51:22 PST History: 1 bid (US $465.00 starting bid) Winning bidder: robbyking13( 144) I was tempted to compete but my recent holiday bills made me defer my purchase until later. Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33734	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: last 2 Missouri Pacific LTI passenger Cars for sale

I have 2 of the MP passenger cars remaining One Dome and One Coach. I will sell these at $65 each shipped to the USA-48. I don't remember the numbers they are ( 6-8912 or 8914 for coach, 6-8911 or 8915 for Dome) so if you want them and are concerned about the number tell me so I can check. I also have the railsounds "B" unit for $110 shipped USA-48. Thanks, Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33735	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, marpack57@a... wrote: Lots of interesting discussion on this but so far no one has just the cars for sale. I hope Lionel does produce another run, this time available with seperate cars. Ed in Fla Robby: The loco and passenger cars should have been sold seperately.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33736	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Thoughts on the B&O Set -- and a possible seco

Lionel re-ran the sawmill and barrel loader several times. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33737	From: doug	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Casting and molding

<<<Is there anyone out there who has cast parts and made molds? >>> I highly recommend the Alumilite line of casting products. It produces strong resin castings with excellent detail in a matter of minutes (after you've already made the mold). We carry it here in the shop, but I'm sure many hobby shops have it too. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33738	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/5/2005
Subject: Re: FYI - Recent Mikado Pricing

the seller had 3 of them for sale & ended the auction early, I wonder why ????? Ron Inscho > > S-Folks, > > A Mik recently closed on eBay and I thought it might interest the group > to see the winning price: > > Winning bid: US $465.00 > Ended: Jan-04-05 10:51:22 PST > Start time: Dec-28-04 10:51:22 PST > History: 1 bid (US $465.00 starting bid) > Winning bidder: robbyking13( 144) > > I was tempted to compete but my recent holiday bills made me defer my > purchase until later. > > > Scott Dee > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33739	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Re;molding and casting

Be advised there is a Yahoo group called Resin Casting which just formed over the holidays which has a number of people in it, including some small manufacturers. Stumpy Stone...in a very rainy and flooding Ohio valley.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33740	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Sale on K-Line S Gauge Cars

Sale on K-Line cars in stock - your choice $15.00 each plus shipping - free shipping on 3 or more!. They are pictured at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com/orders/Sell_Yours/K_Line/k_line.html Happy New Year! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33741	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: AM turnouts

Paul, Have you tried tightening the slip ring that secures the point rail to the closure rail? I have found this joint loosing over time to be the biggest culprit for electrical conductivity in AM turnouts. Think Hi-rail, build locally, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork http://s-scale.org/albums/album33 Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33742	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: More Help Needed with Track Wiring

In response to Message: 5 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:43:39 -0000 From: "PAUL" <branforddinerguy@...> Subject: More Help Needed with Track Wiring Thanks PHIL K for your assistance with my last post! Need further help from whomever can help a novice like me trying to build the "dream layout" Converting over to American Models track from Gargraves and Flyer Im pleased with how smooth my engines run on this track - even my old junkers from when I was a kid! Problem however is turnouts and crossovers. I have two crossovers so far and nothing goes thru either. Ive isolated a rail at each crossover with Atlas Code 148 insulators. I'm using an MRC Dual 027 transformer I bought a few years back. Have wires hooked up to Track 1 and Track 2. Both lines seem to have power when crossover is switched but the engine stalls just as it enters the new main line. Am I using the correct terminals on the transformer? Ive tried the others but then nothing runs. Sorry for the dumb questions, but Im hopeful someone can help. Thanks! The problem is the length of the insulated frog, versus the shorter truck wheel base. As you know our beloved American Flyer steamers have two wheels picking up power from each rail, some with an additional wiper within that wheelbase. The March Classic Toy Trains promises an article on adding wipers. Hopefully it will be applicable to adding a wiper on the truck of the opposite 'polarity' to extend the wheelbase to exceed the length of the insulated frog, or maybe installing wipers in front of and behind the pickup wheels. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33743	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Re: FYI - Recent Mikado Pricing

I have seen 2 others ..... 799 for set..... 599 for nyc engine..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FYI - Recent Mikado Pricing > > > the seller had 3 of them for sale & ended the auction early, I wonder why > ????? Ron Inscho > > > > S-Folks, > > > > A Mik recently closed on eBay and I thought it might interest the group > > to see the winning price: > > > > Winning bid: US $465.00 > > Ended: Jan-04-05 10:51:22 PST > > Start time: Dec-28-04 10:51:22 PST > > History: 1 bid (US $465.00 starting bid) > > Winning bidder: robbyking13( 144) > > > > I was tempted to compete but my recent holiday bills made me defer my > > purchase until later. > > > > > > Scott Dee > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33744	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: B&O Mikado

I just got my set&addon cars, now I am a happy railroader. It looks awsome now I need a layout with TMCC or Dcs by MTH to test all the features. with the AM 4-6-2 set and this mike set I have a good start on a passenger fleet. Lionel if you are listening a cab foward would be nice in S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33745	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Did anyone see this B&O set on ebay.

Click on the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5946504879 I emailed the guy and he doesn't have any more. MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33746	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: B&O Mikado and Mikado pricing

First of all, the MTH style DCC will NOT work all the features out of your Flyonel Mikado. The two systems are not compatable. Stick with the Lionel TMCC. At the hobby shop we found out early on that the systems are not compatable with the O gauge stuff we sell. We have customers that have bought MTH and Lionel and then had to buy both systems to run their trains. Many customers sold either their Lionel or MTH so they would only have to deal with one system. While NMRA standards make sure all DCC systems are compatable in N, HO, and other "scale" applications, no such agreement was made between Lionel and MTH, they being rivals in O gauge. As far as the cost of the new Mikado...It's going to be high as demand is high. If the market were suddenly flooded (very unlikely) the price would drop. Is it worth the money? That's up to you, the buyer. After being caught up in the electronic problems caused by batteries dying and frying circuit boards with MTH Proto Sound One, I'm not too thrilled with complicated electronic do-dads. If it chugs, and whistles, that's enough for me. Stumpy Stone...old and cheap in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33747	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Mikado Video

I got my Mikado via UPS today and had to take some video of it in operation with the sound system turned on. You will need windows media player to play the video. You will need to right click and download to your computer. Then you should be able to play locally. I have a lower resolution 900K And a little higher at 1.5M The link to the directory is: http://www.mwkiner.com/video/ What fun! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33748	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Track Clips - Whither Art Thou?

Hi Folks, Happy New Year to all. I helped a man get his wife's old Flyer train and track running, just before Christmas. Now, he is looking for the power clip to apply juice to the rails. Where can these things be got? Thanks, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33749	From: race944t	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Bob Conner

Has anyone heard from Bob Conner since the holidays? Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33750	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Video

I have added a few more clips. NYCTakethegreen will allow you to hear some of the crew talk. The link to the directory is: http://www.mwkiner.com/video/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33751	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/6/2005
Subject: Fwd: AF Track Radius

The AF trestles and the 19-inch radius curves together make for very poor performance no matter what kind locomotive you use. First, I suggest using the K-Line 27-inch radius curve tracks rather than original AF curves. (Our sponsor, www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com has an excellent price for these curved tracks.) Of course this makes a circle that is almost 5 feet in diameter. On the other hand, the larger radius will improve operations of the trains much more than you would guess. An alternative is to space half straight tracks between each AF curved track. It looks a little funny, but really helps, especially with the long passenger cars and engines. (S-Helper Service and American Models track systems are excellent, but it would take quite some effort to adapt them work with AF trestles.) The other problem is that the AF trestles are too steep. I recommend using two sets of trestles together. Double up on each size and shim the second one so it is half way between its sister and the next tallest in height. This way you half the grade. The engines can climb this grade with a reasonable number of cars. I regularly have a plastic Atlantic pull 10 or more cars up this grade with no problem. (This is a straight grade; combining curves with grades is equivalent to increasing the grade, so it will not do as well.) Clearly we are talking about a lot more real estate with this modification, but it is quite satisfying to see how well these trains can operate if we give them reasonable operating conditions. Good luck, Lance McCold Knoxville, TN > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:24:46 -0000 > From: "Joe McGill" <basara76@...> >Subject: Re: AF Track Radius > > > >What about using another manufacturer like S-trax or American >Models. I think I saw that those had Radii of like 19". That still >wouldn't be like 0-27, but it's a start. > >Yesterday I put my train up on a trestle set for the first time and >was very disappointed by the performance of my Hudson as I had to >hold it to get the tender to stay on the track without tripping the >reverse unit. Perhaps my track is too old/bent to work well with the >Trestles any way about it. New track may be the answer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33752	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Gary Chidester, where are you??

Gary, I've lost your email, please email me! djdewey@... Thanks! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33753	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Bob Conner

Bill Just me..... Been working my butt off..... trying to get ready for vacation into Yellowstone later this month.... and opening the something like 25 boxes that arrived between dec 30 and yesterday..... It 4:17 am and I am up .... BTW... still got to thank you for the 4611 set..... really nice..... yesterday the 293 hit or miss came in.... My poor train room has gotten so piled up I couldn't find my way in there...... Been working on that problem too....... Bob.... CU at York... ----- Original Message ----- From: "race944t" <race944t@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bob Conner > > > Has anyone heard from Bob Conner since the holidays? > > Bill Clark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33754	From: Joe McGill	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: American Models Track

Has anyone here used the American Models track system? I'd be interested to know how well it works, how well it could accomodate older AF stuff, etc. I'd also be interested in the minimum radius one could create with their flex track. How does this track compare with the competition such as S-helper's track and the "American S-gauge" track? Thanks, Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33755	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado on Pike Master Radius Track?

OK, I know the Mikado is supposed to need Standard Flyer Radius, but it seems to be running quite well on my All Aboard layout that which admittedly has Gargraves track on it, but the engine seems to run quite well. This is really a wonderful engine! The sound is fantastic! Chuck http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33756	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO

I know this is a little off topic, but I need some help and I've seen Gilbert HO information on this list in the past. I have obtained a Gilbert HO hudson from the late 30's, I think. It is AC powered and the reverse unit is missing. The engine number is 5318 and I think the catalog number was 200. What I need is a source of information on these vintage engines and possible parts suppliers. Any help will be appreciated. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33757	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius

My first train set was a 283 with a couple of cars around 1960. The track was a figure 8 with the orange trestles. The track was mounted on a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood. My Dad would hang the layout up on a wall in the garage. It was way to heavy for me to take off the wall. When I begged enough he would take it down, lug it into the house and put it in the living room, the only place in the house large enough for it (no basements in Florida). Mom would let it stay there a couple of days then it went back in the garage. It got banged up a lot in the garage it shared with the boat and all the fishing and water skiing gear. But even with all that abuse I never had any problems with traction, derailing or anything else running that 283 wide open. Well except when the dog got in the way. On my new layout, I use AF track and have several track runs with both straight and curved track that are on a 4% grade using Woodland Scenics risers. I do not have any problems with derailments, loss of traction or e-units cycling. You have to be very careful that the transition from level track to a grade is consistent and does not have any sudden changes (particularly at track joints where the pins can easily bend). If you have a sloppy transition the wheels on the trucks, drivers and tenders can loose contact with the track causing derailments, loss of traction and e-unit cycling. I slowly move all my locomotives (steam only - Atlantics, Pacifics and Hudsons) across the transition points and adjust with shims if necessary to ensure I have continuous contact between the wheels and the track. It takes a little work but once you've got it right the problems will be gone. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33758	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: travels

Hello Everyone, I will be traveling to Mill Valley, CA Jan 12th thru the 19th. I don't know what kind of free time I'll have, but if anyone is near by and takes visitors, please let me know. Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33759	From: bob_nmc	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Restoring Silver Streak

I have a Silver Streak engine that needs repainting with the plastic chrome finish. I have the cars in mint condition and want the engine to match. Anyone know of someone who can do this?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33760	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring Silver Streak

I think Portlinies offers a service to replate them. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bob_nmc" <bob_nmc@y...> wrote: > > > I have a Silver Streak engine that needs repainting with the plastic > chrome finish. I have the cars in mint condition and want the > engine to match. Anyone know of someone who can do this?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33761	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track

I have ran a #350 royal blue on the track that came with with a AM set with no problem, I do not have a layout at the moment and have not used their turnouts so I can't be much help there. It looks like ho track in apperance only bigger. I like gargraves track my self because I have a lot of O gauge stuff as well and when I do get aroun to building my first big layout my S gauge track and O gauge track will match. --- Joe McGill <basara76@...> wrote: > > > > Has anyone here used the American Models track > system? I'd be > interested to know how well it works, how well it > could accomodate > older AF stuff, etc. I'd also be interested in the > minimum radius > one could create with their flex track. > > How does this track compare with the competition > such as S-helper's > track and the "American S-gauge" track? > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33762	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: You say Mickaydo, I saw McKawdoe

I spent most of the morning running the new B&O passenger set on my 14 panel All Aboard Layout. All I can say is WOW! I have some rather rough trackwork here and there on my All Aboard layout, and the B&O set runs over it all well! True, the passenger cars look a little strange negotiating the tight Pikemaster radius curves. ;) I did remove the "tunnel" piece, as the passenger cars tended to bump at the sides. But the engine runs well, even over the spots that tend to stop reverse units on the Gilbert engines. The smoke will just about drive you out of the room, and the sound is just nothing sort of incredible. (I have not tested it on real Pikemaster track, but only Gargraves track bent to Pikemaster radius) I have been to York and other train shows and seen the highly detailed O gauge engines chugging around the tracks with their relistic sounds, and really been in envy. I don't have the Trainmaster Controller or the buttons to ring the bell or blow the whistle (yet). But the Mikado sits there stopped making really realistic sound and puffing smoke... Then when it moves, well it sounds like a real steam engine to me! I remember having this kind of thrill out of a new train, but it has been about 50 years! I guess that many of us are still upset that Lionel picked up the pieces of our beloved A.C. Gilbert Company in the 1960s, and has held onto the American Flyer name all of these years. Well now I think it is time to give credit where credit is due. Lionel has done something really special for American Flyer people in making the investment to produce this new Mikado engine! I know Lionel has business problems, but I really hope they are able and willing to do additional runs of the Mikados engines. I would love to see a run of engines with no roadname, where the owner could apply his own... If anyone from Lionel reads this message board, let me say on behalf of myself. THANKYOU, JOB WELL DONE! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33763	From: beebear	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: S scale Grade

What is the scale grade on AF track? How many inches rise per foot? Thanks John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33764	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring Silver Streak

Bob, I think Doug Peck at Port Line Hobbies does this. Site:www.portlines.com "Chroming/Rechroming service for both plastic and metal shells available. Inquire for rates and details." Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: bob_nmc [mailto:bob_nmc@...] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Restoring Silver Streak I have a Silver Streak engine that needs repainting with the plastic chrome finish. I have the cars in mint condition and want the engine to match. Anyone know of someone who can do this?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33765	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track

Dear Joe, I have been runing mine on all three radius of our S Helper Service's S Trax System as well through our switches with no problems. Don Joe McGill wrote: > >Has anyone here used the American Models track system? I'd be >interested to know how well it works, how well it could accomodate >older AF stuff, etc. I'd also be interested in the minimum radius >one could create with their flex track. > >How does this track compare with the competition such as S-helper's >track and the "American S-gauge" track? > >Thanks, > >Joe > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33766	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

James.... wish I could help more..... but parts are available...... While I have built up quite a pile of the AF HO I have not tried repairing yet.... I did get some parts at York to replace a Pilot truck on a Hudson..... Bob PS...... Watch out.... these darn things are worse than chips..... You can't have just ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > > I know this is a little off topic, but I need some help and I've seen Gilbert HO information on this list in the past. > > I have obtained a Gilbert HO hudson from the late 30's, I think. It is AC powered and the reverse unit is missing. The engine number is 5318 and I think the catalog number was 200. What I need is a source of information on these vintage engines and possible parts suppliers. Any help will be appreciated. > > Jim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33767	From: rebendever	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide 2005 Calendar on Sale NOW! (blatant advertiseme

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 33768	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Poll Results So Far - only 11 votes

Responses Choices Votes % 100% satisfied 7 63.64% Bit of a problem, solution in manual 1 9.09% Had a problem, got help from List 2 18.18% Not happy - Contacting Dealer 1 9.09% Not happy - sending for refund. 0 0.00% If you own a Lionel/American Flyer Mikado please voteat http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33769	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Results - second attempt

100% satisfied - No Problems 7 63.64% Bit of a problem, found solution in manual 1 9.09% Had a problem, got help from List 2 18.18% Not happy - Contacting Dealer 1 9.09% Not happy - sending for refund. 0 0.00%

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33770	From: Mark Koenig	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado and "How things have changed."

Hey All, Thanks to Doug Peck of Port Lines I received my Flyonel Mikado yesterday. I only had time to un-package it and I must say my first impression is that it looks pretty darn good. As I was looking it over I was thinking how different my life was when I put in my order for this beauty some 17 months or so ago. Back then I had a small layout, if you can call it a layout, it was simply a couple loops of original flyer track connected with switches on a plywood tabletop on sawhorses. Also, at about the same time my wife and I were starting to come to terms with the fact that we may never be able to have children. Something we both wanted desperately but the doctors told us wasn't likely. Today, I sit in my living room looking at a brand spanking new AF steam locomotive with my wife sitting next to me holding our one- month-old baby boy. I am twice blessed. I no longer even have a room for the trains to run let alone a layout. It's actually kind of funny that I have a new steam locomotive (that I thought I would never see) and have nowhere to run it. But, I think the trade off is worth it because in a few years I'll have someone new to bring along to the train shows (I don't think my wife really enjoyed going as much as she put on) and maybe he'll enjoy trains as much as I do. Now I look forward for S-Helper Services Consolidation (and maybe a place to run them both). "S"incerely, Mark Koenig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33771	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and "How things have changed."

WoW Mark!! Great story! We need a photo of your new "babies" together!! As you can see from MY photo albums, http://s-scale.org/albums/album88/AF_Spring_Layout_March_2003 ..... your little layout was BIGGER than mine!!! I don't have much room, but like to run my trains! Congrats on your baby boy!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33772	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track

Joe -- By the end of next week I will have about 400 feet of AM track, crossovers and about 20 turnouts on my layout (three 50-foot loops finished, and a 75-footer in progress). All of my Gilbert American Flyer, SHS, AM and Flyonel runs fine on it. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joe McGill" <basara76@y...> wrote: > > > Has anyone here used the American Models track system? I'd be > interested to know how well it works, how well it could accomodate > older AF stuff, etc. I'd also be interested in the minimum radius > one could create with their flex track. > > How does this track compare with the competition such as S- helper's > track and the "American S-gauge" track? > > Thanks, > > Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33773	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Grade/trestle transitions with Flyer track

As many have said, the transition between no grade and the start of the grade on Flyer trestle kits is a bit harsh, often causing powering/traction problems because it is not gradual enough. Here's what I did to solve the problem years ago, a trick I learned as a woodworking hobbyist: I took a very thin saw and cut a series of tiny kerfs (90 degrees to the rail direction) on the bottom of the rails for a distance of about 3-4 inches on either side of the grade-starting point. I carefully removed the insulators and ties to do this and reinstalled them when I was done. I spaced the saw kerfs about 3/16" apart and sawed just deep enough just to get through the bottom flanges of the rail, maybe about 1/16" deep. These tiny kerfs over the 8 inches allow you to SLIGHTLY bend the rails to get a much smoother transition and still allow a good power flow. Note: Cut too deep and the rail eventually will split under the weight of a locomotive. My locos had no trouble climbing the grade, either, whether they had traction tires or not. Make sure your Pull-Mor tires are not hardened or cracked with age. Cleaning with Q-Tips and Isoprol alcohol (91% solution) may help renew them. If not, replacements are widely available. Maybe this will help. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33774	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado

I received my NYC Mikado from Doug Peck today and all I can say is WOW!!! This thing is great! Only 1 small problem and I corrected that before I ran it,when I opened up the tender to install the 9 volt battery,I found one of the sound boards had come loose during shipping.I had read about this problem on the list and I would suggest everyone check it before you run your engine. I have a whistle and bell controller and can activate the sounds. I do have a question.At higher voltages/engine speeds,the whistle and bell do not work.Is this normal when operating in conventional mode? I know on my AM Pacific the whistle will blow at and speed and the bell only operates only at slow speeds. I have ordered the TMCC Command set from Doug and can hardly wait for it to arrive so I can get the full effect. Larry Oberman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33775	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and "How things have changed."

Mark -- First, kudos and congrats on the new baby! I think I may say we all share your joy! Second, like Chuck Harrington so eloquently said, I was as excited to receive my new Mikado as I was when I was almost 2-years-old and got my first Gilbert American Flyer set on Christmas morning, 1951. Way to go, Lionel! Keep this kind of great stuff coming! I got mine from Doug Peck, too, and it came following several agonizing days of waiting after reading the first glowing reviews here on S-Trains. For the time it took (seemed like a month instead of five days including the weekend) for the package to make its way from Massachusetts to Chicago, I felt like a child again, waiting breathlessly to head downstairs on Christmas morning to see what Santa brought. Recapturing this wonderful feeling is one of the main reasons I got back into model trains after 9/11. I was plowing snow when the UPS truck pulled up, and the driver must have wondered why a 54-year-old man starting jumping up and down! I expected a lot with this steamer, and it is even better than I had anticipated. I purchased the Lionel TMCC set three days before it arrived, just so I could get the full effect of the technology right away when it arrived. While it is spectacular running in conventional mode, if you don't use the full TMCC technology, you'll be missing a lot of cool stuff that you've paid for. I now know the ease of getting it operational and the flexibility the TMCC system allows on my layout will move me towards installing TMCC in several other locomotives -- Flyer, Flyonel, SHS and AM. Carl Tuveson has been preaching this gospel for quite awhile now, and let me say: Carl, you finally got me! And BTW, Carl's website at: http://www.tuveson.com is the ultimate guide to adapting S gauge to TMCC. He leaves nothing out. Anyway, thanks again, Lionel, for providing us S gaugers with an awesome loco that does what I've jealously seen (and heard) so many 3-rail O gauge engines do on loops at train shows! One more thought: none of the train magazines I subscribe to has had a review on this Mikado yet (S Gaugian, Classic Toy Trains, et al). Their reviewers must have had to wait -- with us -- to get their hands on one. Carl's review is concise, accurate, and will be the benchmark by which all other Mikado reviews-to-follow will be measured. Tonight, I will be testing my Mikado to see if it will pull nails out of a wall, as I suspect. LOL My $0.02, Phil K ********************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Koenig" <mdgineok@a...> wrote: > > > Hey All, > > Thanks to Doug Peck of Port Lines I received my Flyonel Mikado > yesterday. I only had time to un-package it and I must say my first > impression is that it looks pretty darn good. As I was looking it > over I was thinking how different my life was when I put in my order > for this beauty some 17 months or so ago. Back then I had a small > layout, if you can call it a layout, it was simply a couple loops of > original flyer track connected with switches on a plywood tabletop on > sawhorses. Also, at about the same time my wife and I were starting > to come to terms with the fact that we may never be able to have > children. Something we both wanted desperately but the doctors told > us wasn't likely. > > Today, I sit in my living room looking at a brand spanking new AF > steam locomotive with my wife sitting next to me holding our one- > month-old baby boy. I am twice blessed. I no longer even have a > room for the trains to run let alone a layout. It's actually kind of > funny that I have a new steam locomotive (that I thought I would > never see) and have nowhere to run it. But, I think the trade off is > worth it because in a few years I'll have someone new to bring along > to the train shows (I don't think my wife really enjoyed going as > much as she put on) and maybe he'll enjoy trains as much as I do. > > Now I look forward for S-Helper Services Consolidation (and maybe a > place to run them both). > > "S"incerely, > > Mark Koenig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33776	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

Larry, The DC offset voltage that your controller is making to trigger the bell/horn may not be what the sound board will work with at the higher AC voltages. Try another controller or add a bulb accross the track terminals for a current load. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Larry Oberman [mailto:68cuda440@...] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado I received my NYC Mikado from Doug Peck today and all I can say is WOW!!! This thing is great! Only 1 small problem and I corrected that before I ran it,when I opened up the tender to install the 9 volt battery,I found one of the sound boards had come loose during shipping.I had read about this problem on the list and I would suggest everyone check it before you run your engine. I have a whistle and bell controller and can activate the sounds. I do have a question.At higher voltages/engine speeds,the whistle and bell do not work.Is this normal when operating in conventional mode? I know on my AM Pacific the whistle will blow at and speed and the bell only operates only at slow speeds. I have ordered the TMCC Command set from Doug and can hardly wait for it to arrive so I can get the full effect. Larry Oberman S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33777	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 9, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33778	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado sound question

Don't have a Mikado, but would the SHS Locomatic box be able to trigger the bell and horn? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33779	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Deep Impact - Update

As some of you know...... Marx, Lionel, and Gilbert all made train stuff relating to Space...... Well Jan 12, 2005 the final saga begins..... A C 's name is on a plaque which will crash into the Comet Temple 1.... The impactor will make a crater about the size of a football field and about 15 stories deep..... It is a Scientific Experiment...... See the link below to go to the impactor site...... and the second link will bring up the Plaque of A C Gilbert....... so while the others tried, A C will make it into SPACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the links don't come thru.... contact me and I will send them...... Yes, My name is on a Plaque, and I know Barb's name is too..... any others????? Bob Conner http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimpact/launch/event.html http://deepimpact1.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/certificate.cfm?CertNum=609585&CertName=A%2E%20C%2E%20GILBERT%20%2D%20AMERICAN%20FLYER%20TRAIN%20MAKER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33780	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Power to the rails

Bill Porter asked about connecting wires to the rails. For conventional AF track (not Pikemaster) if you don't have a track clip available, raise the metal tab of a tie that holds down the outside of the rail, insert the wire between the rail and the fiber insulator, and squeeze the metal tab back down to hold the rail, wire, and insulator all together. Make sure the bare part of the wire touches only the rail, not the tie. Then do the same thing to the other rail for the other wire. Connect one wire to the base post, the other to the 7-15 volt terminal, and you should be all set! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33781	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and "How things have changed."

I was the same way.All this last week I was disappointed every day when I came home from work and the engine hadn't arrived yet.Every time I heard a truck drive down the street,I ran to the front door.I was off from work today and was working on a car in my garage.I left a note on my front door so UPS would come to the garage or leave it on the porch.I heard the driver stop at my house and came running out of the garage like a kid. It was Christmas 1950 all over again. Thank you Flyonel. Larry Oberman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33782	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Mikado bell & whistle controller

What is inside the whistle and bell controllers ? ( I suspect just a diode & maybe a bypass resistor ? ) Anyone know ?and can we make one ? Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33783	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2528

In a message dated 1/7/2005 9:59:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 17 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:51:02 -0000 From: "Mark Koenig" <mdgineok@...> Subject: Mikado and "How things have changed." Congratulations, Mark, to you and your wife. The Almighty One works in mysterious ways and who knows, before long, you might just find room to put that train on a trundle table under a bed. The sky is the limit. Good luck to you and yours in the future. On another note, I saw one of these bad boys in action today, and I must say, I am quite impressed. We've come a long way from smoke pellets and pushing buttons to hear a whistle. Not to mention having to call the order for a run from the tower in the yard. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33784	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado sound question

no not even close to the TMCC , Ron > > > > Don't have a Mikado, but would the SHS Locomatic box be able to > trigger the bell and horn? > Dwight > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33785	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado sound question

Dear Dwight, The LocoMatic 10 button controller can only operate the LM sound units. One good thing, is that the LM 10 button controller is a pass through system and will not effect TMCC. So you can hook up both at the same time and they will not effect each other. Best regards, Don dwightlehnhoff wrote: > >Don't have a Mikado, but would the SHS Locomatic box be able to >trigger the bell and horn? >Dwight > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33786	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado bell & whistle controller

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@c...> wrote: > > > What is inside the whistle and bell controllers ? ( I suspect just a diode > & maybe a bypass resistor ? ) Anyone know ?and can we make one ? Ron I've taken apart the sound controller that comes with Railsounds- equipped Lionel Flyer and it consists of a momentary circuit with a several diodes in series and a single diode in parallel. It would be easy to build one, but its not worth the effort--these controllers cause the train to slow down when they are activated presumably because of electrical losses through the diode circuit. They are junk. If you just want a way to activate the bell and whistle, I'm pretty sure the American Models OMS sound controller will work and it doesn't cause the train to slow down. But, in my opinion, if you buy one of these Mikados, you are absolutely cheating yourself if you don't operate them using full-blown TMCC. You can buy the Command Set (handheld TMCC remote control and Command Base) for about $100. If you spend another $50-60 for a PowerMaster, you can run your unmodified Gilbert equipment with the wireless remote. My Gilbert AF, AM, and SHS locomotives run great with the PowerMaster and it gives excellent low speed control. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33787	From: doug	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring Silver Streak

There is no such thing as "chrome paint".....anything that claims it is, is really a silver paint....nothing like chrome. Chrome is a plating process. We handle stripping and chroming of both plastic and metal shells. On our website, click on AF REPAIR CLINICS....one of them deals with Chroming details. <<< From: "bob_nmc" <bob_nmc@...> Subject: Restoring Silver Streak I have a Silver Streak engine that needs repainting with the plastic chrome finish. I have the cars in mint condition and want the engine to match. Anyone know of someone who can do this? >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33788	From: John Foley	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: Promotions Help

Hi Folks I am looking for a volunteer to handle an ongoing project with the promotions committee. If interested please contact me off list with your phone # and I will contact you. John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33789	From: Phil K	Date: 1/7/2005
Subject: And at a great "Buy It Now" price, too...

In desperate need of a Frontier set in OB? How desperate? What price guide was this seller consulting???? Better hurry before someone else gets it with Buy It Now...LOL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5948419134 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33790	From: Bob W.	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: S scale Grade

Heres what I use. 1/3" to a foot. When I use AF rail its 5/16 to a track. I use that to cut my risers. Seems to be a perfect grade for any engine. bob W. --- beebear <beebear@...> wrote: > > > What is the scale grade on AF track? How many > inches rise per foot? > > Thanks > John Frankforther > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33791	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: And at a great "Buy It Now" price, too...

Awww, that's not TOO bad,.......only 1,499.99......oh wait,......that's in US currency??!!?? Never mind then. ':^) Rick. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5948419134 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33792	From: roy inman	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track

Joe, Our S club is retracking our 40' modular layout with AM track and turnouts because that combination can run any S gauge combination. The turnouts require a little work to make them compatible with scale wheelsets. Our club turnout guru is supposed to be making the adjustments. I don't know exactly what they are, but others on the list do I'm sure. When I set up a test layout, I did not use the turnouts, but the track itself worked very well for me running an old Gilbert AF 336, AM Southern steamer, Flyonel UP Pony Express and various passenger cars and all manner of freight. We are using flex track almost exclusively on the modular. Roy Inman on 1/7/05 8:28 AM, Joe McGill at basara76@... wrote: > > > > Has anyone here used the American Models track system? I'd be > interested to know how well it works, how well it could accomodate > older AF stuff, etc. I'd also be interested in the minimum radius > one could create with their flex track. > > How does this track compare with the competition such as S-helper's > track and the "American S-gauge" track? > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33793	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re;and a great "Buy It Now" price too...

Gee, I don't know fellas', it sounds a bit steep to me! What do you figure a set like this should REALLY sell for? About a thousand less than the $1,499. figure? At this price, I guess I'll wait until I find one at bargain price and in pieces (literally!) Stumpy Stone...never paying top dollar when there's a screwdriver and pliers around in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33794	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO

I want to thank all those who helped me with the Gilbert HO Hudson. Bob, your coment at the end of your message "Watch out.... these darn things are worse than chips..... You can't have just ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is very true I now have 3 of them. Again Thanks to the list. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33795	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Results - too be young again!

S-Folks, "It's not the voting that's democracy; it's the counting." Let's get out there and vote! I'm glad to hear that so many people felt young again when receiving the new Miks. Once you fire them up let us know how your experience was. Thanks, Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33796	From: Scott G. Perry	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Freecycle Trains! (not spam)

This is not spam. Several S guys, like me have joined. This is a train related egroup on Yahoo, brought to you by the immensely popular TRAINTOOLS and TRAINBOOKS egroups. Everyone of us train nuts has been to a train meet or auction where someone had some stuff they were giving away. I have found lots of parts, details, and scenery items like that. If you don't think you can get something for free, you are sadly mistaken. Freecycling has become a huge way to get rid of things you don't need, and to pick up free things that you do want. My wife and I belong to a local freecycle group in our town and have gotten rid of baby cribs and mirrors, and are looking at picking up a free gas heater. Sound crazy...then how about this: Freecycle for trains! There are things that you don't want in your basement. So why need give them away? Likewise, I have junk that you may can use. Want to barter...sure...or swap! Its time that busted up brass loco got a home and that Amtrak passenger car body was made into a diner. This will be a forum strictly for the free transaction of model trains... To join, simply go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freecycletrains/ or at Yahoo Egroups, do a search for freecycletrains. Once you are approved...the fun begins. Scott Perry TRAINTOOLS Egroup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33797	From: aglorince	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: track laying help

> Some novice questions - > > > Best way to keep parallel track nice and straight? > Best way to keep curves evenly spaced? > When using turnouts as crossover, easiest and simplest way to wire - > should I isolate one rail similar to a flyer switch? > Any suggested ways to bend to a custom radius? when working with AM Flex track anchor one rail completly before doing second rail. chack gauge frequently. on curves anchor outside rail first inside rail will shift. location of inside rail can be adjusted by taping it with a light hammer and flat punch (nail set?). when i cut of excess rail i over lap rails slightly and cut both rails at same place, this gives a better fit. i have found that reinfforced or heavy duty dremal cut off discs work better on AM track. try not to have joints in both rails at same place i find an offset of about 1 to 2 inches works well. i'm using cork over plywood and have used a variety ( walthers, micro engineering, life like or perfect) of spikes about 3/8 " long. i drill holes in ties using a drill bit or burr that is the same or slightly smaller in size as the spike i'm using ( spike should fit tightly in hole). i put 1 spike on each side of the rail for about 5 ties on either side of a joint. about every six inches i put 1 spike per tie, alternating side of rail, for 4 ties on straight or 6 ties on curves. i do the same thing when a section of ties completely breaks away from rail. i also attach electrical leads to each section of rail. to create a gap i spike a section of track as for a joint then cut the rail and glue a piece of plastic into the cut. trim the plastic after glue is set to fit rail profile. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33798	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Todays Results - 18 votes

Choices Votes % 100% satisfied 13 72.22% Bit of a problem, solution in manual 2 11.11% Had a problem, got help from List 2 11.11% Not happy - Contacting Dealer 1 5.56% Not happy - sending for refund. 0 0.00%

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33799	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: A Collector's Nightmare!

As a former collector/operator of Lionel Trains for 40 plus years, I experienced something that I hope won't happen with Gilbert American Flyer Collectors. A lot of "hype"now out about the new Lionel Mikado! Yes it is Lionel (American Flyer). Great products from S-Helper Showcaseline, and American Models. Deja Vue: Weaver, Atlas, MTH and Kline came out and flooded the market with fantastic super models, then "Lionel O Guage Collectibles began the great downsize in the value of the "historic" Lionel trains of old. Can this happen to Gilbert American Flyer collectors? Yes, and I believe it must for S gauge to continue, you place a SHelper, a American Model or a new Lionel Mikado in front of a youngster and his eyes light up and that is the future of S Gauge railroading. Just my thoughts on S gauge railroading! Jerry Matsick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33800	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: B&O Set & Mikados

Concur in your statement that the loco and passenger cars should have been sold separately. While no expert and never saying never, I don't believe that the Mikado/passenger car configuration was that common in the B&O. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33801	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: American Models track

Joe, I have set up a layout in my garage using AM track. 1. The switches do not work well with AF engines as the frog has a long deadspot which is not powered. This causes many AF units to stall or reverse when crossing the switch. On a couple of newer AF engines I had to change the position of the pickup wheels so the powered wheel was farther from the rail slider to make them cross the frog. 2. The track seems to be ok except for the plastic ties. When using the flex track, I ended up breaking off the plastic tab which held down the track. This happened on the switches also. Do not try to use hot melt glue to attach the ties, they will melt. Use a dab of the glue at the rail joints between the ties. 3. I have had the layout in the garage for 8 or so years. It only gets run maybe once or twice a year so it requires maintenance before use but nothing like Gargraves. Cheers, Robert E. Yablonski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33802	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Results - too be young again!

Another catagory of answer was probably needed. Have not taken it out of the box yet! A friend here in town owned a Flyonel NP set for at least 2 years and never opened the boxes!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33803	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Mikado Madness

Hi gang, OK, OK, I'm glad you all are enjoying your new choo choos. More power to you, but for my limited train budget, $600 will buy a lot of Flyer junk. I'm no purist. There's two American Models engines and a Putt Trains docksider on my layout. There's even a Lionel New Haven EP-5 on a shelf that comes down occasionally for a run. Anyone needing to raise some "Mikado Money" wanna dump some Flyer cheap? e-mail me offline : ) Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33804	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Bob, I'll try finding mine and give you a count as soon as I put the crutch away. Jim Lyle "Livin on the Keystone Main" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33805	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re;B&O Set & Mikados

I've been a B&O fan all my life. The only time I know of when a Mikado would be used on a passenger train was in helper service if a second Pacific wasn't available. I'm not sure why Lionel would match a freight engine with a passenger train, especially Budd style streamline cars on the B&O. They could have repopped the AF heavyweight cars which would have been more steam era. We need some shorter heavyweights to look right on old Flyer track radius. On the other hand, it appears they're selling all they have! Perhaps they thought there were already enough Pacifics out there, both American Models and old American Flyer. With S-Helper doing a Consolidation, doing a Mike was probably a good move. The passenger car were probably some of the same thinking. Even so, the loco and cars should be availible separately. Stumpy Stone...steam loco enthusiast in Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33806	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: TMCC Diagrams

I have had several requests about how TMCC is hooked up using two rail track and AF transformers. Therfore, I have made a page with some information and wiring diagrams. It is at: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC_Hookup/diagrams_of_tmcc_hookup.htm Enjoy, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33807	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Model 8 transformer

I have a AF Model 8 transformer. What is the purpose of the red light and how does one go about replacing the bulb ?? Thanks!! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33808	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados

It was not a bad deal for me though as I have the old B&O PA set that I am looking forward to lashing up to my new B&O passenger cars. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Paul4Schil@...> To: <robbyking13@...> Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] B&O Set & Mikados > > > Concur in your statement that the loco and passenger cars should have been > sold separately. While no expert and never saying never, I don't believe that > the Mikado/passenger car configuration was that common in the B&O. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33809	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Model 8 transformer

--- Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > I have a AF Model 8 transformer. What is the purpose > of the red light... Well...I'm NOT an expert like some of you (hence my lack of posts), but I DO know that the red light comes on when there is a short (trains de-railed). The #8 transformer has a built-in circuit breaker that causes a shut down of the current and the red light comes on. You reset the transformer with the reset button (which I always used to reverse the trains with). You replace the bulb by removing the 2 screws on the top. It's a bayonet type bulb. Best regards to all, Dennis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33810	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Diagrams

Hi Carl: Thanks for the diagrams - they will certainly help when I get the Mike and TMCC. Unfortunately, I have an additional problem in that we have 220 V which I am reducing to 110 with a large (1500 Watt) transformer. The 110 V output doesn't have a ground - only a 2 prong plug. I have been using a 12B and 30B transformers. Additionally, I have some 2-8b's, as well as 1-8B and I believe a 6b (or something like that, memory fails at the moment) that were made by ACG to operate on 220 V. But the bottom line is that I do not have a 110 V output that is grounded. Any suggestions??? Maybe I should see if Lionel makes a TMCC control for the foreign markets that use 220V, 50 cycle??? thanks for any info you might have at your fingertips. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Carl Tuveson wrote: >I have had several requests about how TMCC is hooked up using two rail track >and AF transformers. > >Therfore, I have made a page with some information and wiring diagrams. > >It is at: > >http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC_Hookup/diagrams_of_tmcc_hookup.htm > >Enjoy, > >Carl > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33811	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Model 8 transformer

***((((...... that the red light comes on when there is a short (trains de-railed). The #8 transformer has a built-in circuit breaker that causes a shut down of the current and the red light comes on....)))**** Well that would explain why I never saw it lit !!! It's a nice little trannie,...I used it with my Christmas layout. At chat, I was told this is a "pre-war" trannie.....any idea of the year/years it came out ? I got it for $20 at a swap meet. Good deal or not? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33812	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Diagrams

ance, I'm afraid you may be out of luck with the 50hz. Neil in the UK was mentioning that the "O" gaugers there can't use TMCC on 50hz. I would fire off a letter to Lionel to confirm ASAP. The ground issue in not that big a deal, there are work arounds for that. Carl -----Original Message----- From: velapoldi [mailto:velapoldi@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 6:34 PM To: carl@... Cc: STrains; Paul Yorke Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TMCC Diagrams Hi Carl: Thanks for the diagrams - they will certainly help when I get the Mike and TMCC. Unfortunately, I have an additional problem in that we have 220 V which I am reducing to 110 with a large (1500 Watt) transformer. The 110 V output doesn't have a ground - only a 2 prong plug. I have been using a 12B and 30B transformers. Additionally, I have some 2-8b's, as well as 1-8B and I believe a 6b (or something like that, memory fails at the moment) that were made by ACG to operate on 220 V. But the bottom line is that I do not have a 110 V output that is grounded. Any suggestions??? Maybe I should see if Lionel makes a TMCC control for the foreign markets that use 220V, 50 cycle??? thanks for any info you might have at your fingertips. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33813	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: #8 Transformer

Well,....I did find this for $9.99 on eBay......but mine DOES have the wooden handle! The auction states 1938-'39. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19146&item=5947851515&rd=1 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33814	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: Re: Re;B&O Set & Mikados

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > I'm not sure why Lionel would match a freight engine with a > passenger train, especially Budd style streamline cars on the B&O. > It was kind of silly to match the first true freight steam locomotive ever offered by AF with passenger cars. But the situation can be easily rectified: Lionel built a lot of the '81 and '83 B&O freight sets and they are still available for reasonable sums. The solution would be to swap the new Mike for the PA's on the point of the early freight set and use the Alco's to pull the new streamlined passenger cars. I've also kicked around the idea of restoring an old Silver Bullet beater I have to 1937 B&O Royal Blue colors and using it to pull the new passenger cars. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33815	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: AM Turnouts

For all of you that use American Models turnouts I have a quick and simple modification that I do to improve their reliability. Here is a link to page describing it: http://www.tuveson.com/TurnoutGuardRail/missing_guard_rail.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33816	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 1/8/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

880 DRGW 4 bay covered hopper (4-03) http://mopac1.tripod.com/880.gif 881 DRGW 52' gon (4-03) http://mopac1.tripod.com/881.gif 882 DRGW 12 panel coal car (4-03) http://mopac1.tripod.com/882.gif 883 MODX 50' PC&F steel reefer (2-58) http://mopac1.tripod.com/883.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33817	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: A Collector's Nightmare or a consumer's dream!

Jerry, Your prediction may prove correct as the market forces will pressure s-gauge manufacturers to adjust their product lines or maybe even leave the market. But, I believe that most collectors are not really in this game for financial gain. There may be some that are, but most would probably do the hobby even without a reasonable return of investment. I don't think that any train collecting would be considered by most financial analysts as a good long term investment. I certainly don't. I think it is natural that new technologies to make replicas at fairly cheap prices are the long term reason the authentic classics will never really appreciate to a great level. Maybe like the airlines wars that have now become reality, the consumer may benefit in the short term and the stronger players will survive in the s marketplace. Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Matsick [mailto:jmatsick@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:57 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: A Collector's Nightmare! As a former collector/operator of Lionel Trains for 40 plus years, I experienced something that I hope won't happen with Gilbert American Flyer Collectors. A lot of "hype"now out about the new Lionel Mikado! Yes it is Lionel (American Flyer). Great products from S-Helper Showcaseline, and American Models. Deja Vue: Weaver, Atlas, MTH and Kline came out and flooded the market with fantastic super models, then "Lionel O Guage Collectibles began the great downsize in the value of the "historic" Lionel trains of old. Can this happen to Gilbert American Flyer collectors? Yes, and I believe it must for S gauge to continue, you place a SHelper, a American Model or a new Lionel Mikado in front of a youngster and his eyes light up and that is the future of S Gauge railroading. Just my thoughts on S gauge railroading! Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33818	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Results - Mik's Interned in Train Mausoleums?

Chuck, I thought "Have not taken it out of the box yet!" is another way of stating you're a collector. I have 1 box I call the AF Mausoleum because it holds some of the more valuable pieces that have not seen the light of day in a very long time. I never got around to finishing a display system for them. But, I digress; you have brought up an interesting point: Did anyone purchase a Mik to display or collect it only? Thanks, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington [mailto:myflyertrains@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:07 AM Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Results - too be young again! Another category of answer was probably needed. Have not taken it out of the box yet! A friend here in town owned a Flyonel NP set for at least 2 years and never opened the boxes!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33819	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados

both the NYC & B&O mikes are freight engines, as were all 2-8-2 's > > > Concur in your statement that the loco and passenger cars should have been > sold separately. While no expert and never saying never, I don't believe that > the Mikado/passenger car configuration was that common in the B&O. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33820	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Real Life Usage - Makado Repaints?

Stump, Oh well, I guess that's why most of the folks are hi-railers.... I especially enjoy the practice of putting a railroads colors on an engine that they never owned or operated in real life, in many cases wouldn't even have considered owning the engine in real life... I am guilty of thinking about such incongruities - I am thinking of buying a PA - B unit repaint in the colorful New Haven paint scheme... I just think it would look cool between the New Haven A units I have... Hang in there... Maybe you and I can market Mikado re-paints... a AM-Track repaint version may sell well!!!!!! By the way, would anyone s-person know if the NYC used Alcos in their passenger service as per Fylionel lighting stripe passenger set? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;B&O Set & Mikados I've been a B&O fan all my life. The only time I know of when a Mikado would be used on a passenger train was in helper service if a second Pacific wasn't available. I'm not sure why Lionel would match a freight engine with a passenger train, especially Budd style streamline cars on the B&O. They could have repopped the AF heavyweight cars which would have been more steam era. We need some shorter heavyweights to look right on old Flyer track radius. On the other hand, it appears they're selling all they have! Perhaps they thought there were already enough Pacifics out there, both American Models and old American Flyer. With S-Helper doing a Consolidation, doing a Mike was probably a good move. The passenger car were probably some of the same thinking. Even so, the loco and cars should be availible separately. Stumpy Stone...steam loco enthusiast in Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33821	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: NYC PA's

You better believe the NYC used PA's on their passenger trains. When new, they were used on the 20th Century Ltd. On the Boston & Albany, they were used on the New England States (#27) with a 4-6-4 as a helper. Ben Perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33822	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Cold Heat

I would like to hear the opinions of the people who bought the Cold Heat soldering iron. Like do you use it and would you buy one again. Are they o.k. for soldering wires to e-unit fingers or the wire to the trucks. There was also a post that in the future they were developing a new iron that would use rechargable batteries. Can you use recharagables in the current gun. Also do they presently eat batteries like a digital camera? Soldering is not one of my strong points ( of course I don't have any strong points!) and I thought one of these might help a little. Thanks in advance! Flyerbuddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33823	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's

If you would like to see the NYC PA's in passenger service, check out the following link to the NYC Historical Society's 2000 calendar cover. The artwork shows New York Central train # 12, the Southwestern Limited at Staatsburg NY. DPA-2a PA-1 4201 leads the train. Jim Duncan http://www.nycshs.org/calendar2000.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33824	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Clover House

Hi All, I have been asked to repost this to more of my train lists. It originally was posted this morning on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Railway_Decal_Express_Agency So here goes: Hi All, Russ Clover wants to sell out NOW. I talked to him when I placed a large "get it while I can" order a few months ago. His health is declining. They are the only company the makes PRSL stuff in S Scale. It is a wonderful company, but I think it will be a tough sell to a new owner since the majority of the dry transfer sets are for the 1900s era. If you have wanted to order from them I would not wait much longer. I am not saying they are going out of business any time soon, but reread the first line. If the company does get sold the set prices will most likely go up as well. http://www.cloverhouse.com There is no on line or even phone orders. All orders are placed through the mail on their order form only. They ship quickly though. Their catalog is a reference in itself. Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33825	From: roy inman	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Cold Heat

Flyerbuddy, Well, I am not the expert solderer in the bunch, so take this opinion accordingly, but I find it useful only on light-duty work. It does heat up instantly, and cools down almost as quickly. It took me a bit of practice to figure out how to hold it at the proper angle to make a connection with the metal I wanted to solder. The little light on the front end is handy for working under my modular layout. My instructions did not recommend using rechargeable batteries in the unit. I have created about 100 joints with it so far on the same set of batteries. For the twenty bucks, it's probably worth it. But if you want a cordless iron IMHO, better off to spend the extra bucks for a convention unit. Roy Inman on 1/9/05 8:29 AM, flyerbuddy at rodder@... wrote: > > > > I would like to hear the opinions of the people who bought the Cold > Heat soldering iron. Like do you use it and would you buy one again. > Are they o.k. for soldering wires to e-unit fingers or the wire to > the trucks. There was also a post that in the future they were > developing a new iron that would use rechargable batteries. Can you > use recharagables in the current gun. Also do they presently eat > batteries like a digital camera? > Soldering is not one of my strong points ( of course I don't have > any strong points!) and I thought one of these might help a little. > > Thanks in advance! > > Flyerbuddy > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33826	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's

Dear Ben, I know the numbers for the NYC passenger phase II F3s were assigned to the New England States, Did they take over for the PA's? Maybe the Berkshires were too much for them? Just curious. Don PS See you in a few weeks in West Springfield at one of the better S gauge mini-conventions. BENJAMIN PERRY wrote: >You better believe the NYC used PA's on their passenger trains. When new, they were used on the 20th Century Ltd. On the Boston & Albany, they were used on the New England States (#27) with a 4-6-4 as a helper. >Ben Perry > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33827	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Set & Mikados

Ditto for PRR L1 2-8-2's On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] B&O Set & Mikados > > > both the NYC & B&O mikes are freight engines, as were all 2-8-2 's > > > > > > > > Concur in your statement that the loco and passenger cars should have been > > sold separately. While no expert and never saying never, I don't believe > that > > the Mikado/passenger car configuration was that common in the B&O. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33828	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's - Thanks all for the historical information...

S=Folks, Thanks to the folks that described the NYC Alco use and gave some references and questions about when and where NYC used the elegant beast. I feel much more knowledgeable about NYC PAs and less confused about the lightning stripe paint scheme on a PA. As a youngster I only saw the GM passenger engines at the station we occasionally went to. Maybe I can commit to buying a lightning set by using prototypical justification... Scott Dee PS: Mik owners - Don't forget to vote in the Paul Yorke poll regarding your nascent experiences...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33829	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 9, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33830	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Transformer 22090

I have a 22090 350 watt transformer I am thinking about putting on Ebay.I don't think it was ever used there are no marks on the cord like it was ever pluged in.Should I plug it in to test it or not? There are no marks any where on it and I have all the packing and boxes.The only thing I see is a small chip next to one of the reset buttons but did not find the peice or can here anything loose inside.Mabey this chip happened when it was made. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33831	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Transformer Size/Track

I am getting back into my S-Gauge set I was given as a boy - so my grandkids can enjoy it, of course..... Questions: 1. As I enlarge the layout and add switches, do I need to enlarge the transformer? If so, what should I be looking for? 2. What are the pros/cons of original, used track v. the new S-Gauge track? How much should I expect to pay/piece? Thanks. SL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33832	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Joe's train repair

Anyone know how to contact Joe? Email preferred. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33833	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A

Robert, High Railers & Scalers (also called rivet counters) High-Railers is a term commonly applied to train operators who prefer somewhat prototypical operations and a somewhat realistic operating environment with detail in models for engines and rolling stock, scenery, accessories . etc. on their model railroads. The track itself may have an unrealistic height like the original AF Gilbert Track does ie. more like original toy train track - hence the moniker "hi-railers" since it is the most distinguishing feature that by looking at a layout a person can tell which way the train hobbyist slants. Other manifestations of high railing are track with unrealistic ties and roadbed, unrealistically large couplers, unrealistic wheels sets with large flanges and high-railers usually run the tradition AC type transformers vs DC that the scale folks prefer. Scale folks are sometimes called rivet counters (vs accountants who are called bean counters - but that's another story) because of their attention to minute detail and blue print checking when they review engine products for scale accuracy. There have been reviews where they have noted that the number of rivets are not scale correct and hence the name. Obviously, scalers do not use the features above that delineate high-railers. For example, a scaler would never use Lionel 3-rail type track because it just isn't a realistic track model. This of course is pointed out often when Gilbert 2 rail folks discuss things with Lionel 3 rail folks, even though Gilbert classic 2-rail track is not really scale either. An interesting thing to note is that equipment that goes on the track itself is incompatible between hi-rail and scale layouts, which a is why some S manufacturers like SHS and American models offers "hi-rail" and scale versions for most of their products. And of course, these descriptions are not as eclectic as one would wish; folks can be creative and mix aspects of both classifications on 1 layout. For example, a hobbyist may use all flyer track, but run DC power with extremely detailed engines and rolling stock from SHS or AM, but put the layout on the floor with minimal scenery effect (or maybe around a Christmas tree). What do we call these type folks? I don't know maybe we could invent a term. Maybe someone in the group can help with that.? In reference to my response to stump's e-mail, I was indicating that most hi-railers don't get extremely concerned about the incorrectness when matching a freight engine with passenger cars, which lead into my tongue in cheek remarks about unrealistic paint jobs. In general, the group has both hi-railers and scalers and keeps a humor about the differences, since it's interesting to see all the different approaches. The S-folks on the list may want to comment on the definitions and mention other things too. I think the list moderator (Paul Yorke) has a newbie (a techie term) guide to the list that may define some commonly used terms. Hope this helped. for fun ask the group what SN3 (spelling) is? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves [mailto:theupstairstrain@...] Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:53 PM To: Scott Davidson Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Real Life Usage - Makado Repaints? Question form a newbie: I occasionally see the term "hi-railer" - what does that mean? Thanks. Bob Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> wrote: Stump, Oh well, I guess that's why most of the folks are hi-railers.... I especially enjoy the practice of putting a railroads colors on an engine that they never owned or operated in real life, in many cases wouldn't even have considered owning the engine in real life... I am guilty of thinking about such incongruities - I am thinking of buying a PA - B unit repaint in the colorful New Haven paint scheme... I just think it would look cool between the New Haven A units I have... Hang in there... Maybe you and I can market Mikado re-paints... a AM-Track repaint version may sell well!!!!!! By the way, would anyone s-person know if the NYC used Alcos in their passenger service as per Fylionel lighting stripe passenger set? Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;B&O Set & Mikados I've been a B&O fan all my life. The only time I know of when a Mikado would be used on a passenger train was in helper service if a second Pacific wasn't available. I'm not sure why Lionel would match a freight engine with a passenger train, especially Budd style streamline cars on the B&O. They could have repopped the AF heavyweight cars which would have been more steam era. We need some shorter heavyweights to look right on old Flyer track radius. On the other hand, it appears they're selling all they have! Perhaps they thought there were already enough Pacifics out there, both American Models and old American Flyer. With S-Helper doing a Consolidation, doing a Mike was probably a good move. The passenger car were probably some of the same thinking. Even so, the loco and cars should be availible separately. Stumpy Stone...steam loco enthusiast in Ohio. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33834	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: A store story

I was told today that Island Trains would be closing their store in New Jersey. However they are planning to move it to a nearby town and open it with a restaurant for kids. The plan, as it was explained to me, is to have a place where kids can have Birthday parties and play with trains. I do not know what else is planned. Can anyone confirm this story? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33835	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A

Those who run their trains on the floor are floor runers I read it in a book and an article in ctt about this guy that had a big layout on the floor of his attic. I am guilty of floor runing myself even when it is not Christmas. Note runing on carpet not a good idea unless it is indoor/outdoor carpet.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33836	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's

Hi Don; I am not really an expert on the B&A. NYC probably got the PA's in the late 40's. It seems on a regular basis, they assigned a Hudson as a helper. I assume it went all the way to Albany. I remember in the early 50's seeing Fairbanks Morse C-Liners on it. I've got a hunch that the F-3's were the first units when the train (New England States) was introduced after WW II. Believe E units were used at the end. Bob Buck might be the one that can answer your question. Looking forward to seeing all of you, but will my old pal. Regards. Ben Perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33837	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: question from a newbie

I occasionally see the term "SN3" - what does it mean? Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33838	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: question from a newbie

I believe SN3 is 1/64 scale run on HO track... Robert Graves wrote: >I occasionally see the term "SN3" - what does it mean? > >Thanks. > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33839	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: question from a newbie

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@y...> wrote: > > I occasionally see the term "SN3" - what does it mean? > Sn3 is 1/64th scale 3 foot narrow gauge (compared with the 4 foot 8 1/2 inch gauge of "standard" gauge full-size trains most are familiar with).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33840	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: question from a newbie

"srgriggs" is right, Sn3 is S scale, 3 foot gauge. Sn3 track has a gauge of approximately 9/16", which is 36" or 3' in S scale. Some modelers using HO track in S scale are actually modeling what is called Sn3-1/2 or Sn42, being about a scale 42" wide in S. Darrell --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@y...> wrote: > > I occasionally see the term "SN3" - what does it mean? > > Thanks. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33841	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 1/9/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Diagrams

Carl, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the EXCELLENT information about TMCC you have on your WEB site. The quality of the information you have posted is FIRST RATE! You are truly a great supporter of S-Gauge and TMCC! Keep up the excellent work! Regards & best wishes, Randy Griggs At 09:49 PM 1/8/05, you wrote: >Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:40:58 -0500 > From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> >Subject: TMCC Diagrams > > >I have had several requests about how TMCC is hooked up using two rail track >and AF transformers. > >Therfore, I have made a page with some information and wiring diagrams. > >It is at: > >http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC_Hookup/diagrams_of_tmcc_hookup.htm > >Enjoy, > >Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33842	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Micro Layouts address

Y'all...Last night during the Chat session I gave the wrong address for the Micro Layouts site. The correct one is http://carendt.com While this will be of little interest to the collectors out there, operators and those with little or no space for a layout, or those who are looking for a new challenge should check this out. All scales are represented, and any layout could be scaled up or down to be used in any size. There are switching layouts, continuous running layouts, multi-levels, even layouts that fit in pizza boxes or shoeboxes! Lots of imagination and problem solving here! Worth a look. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33843	From: Bob W.	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Joe's train repair

joestrainrepair@... --- marpack57@... wrote: > > > Anyone know how to contact Joe? Email preferred. > Ed in Fla > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33844	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A

Scott, I, too, wonder what everyone thinks are the "proper" definitions for the terms; tinplate, Hi-rail and scale. For me, it is as simple as looking at the track. Tinplate: original Flyer or Gargraves track Hi-rail: one of the more realistic looking track systems from AM or SHS (or others), but still technically too tall to be scale Scale: scale sized track Power it with what you will, run what every your track will accommodate. Use the couplers that make you happy. I do believe all the details will follow from the choice of track. Think HI-rail, build locally, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33845	From: Earl.Carlsen@hna.hella.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Track

Good morning Same here. I am a highrailer w / scale couplers...... I have approx. 200 actual ft. of Am track w / 10 turnouts ( powered & manual ) on cork road bed, ( w / scale ballast applied later ), on homasote laid over 5/8 plywood.. I run any & all the " S " stuff out there with absolutely no problems. I am waiting for AM closed frog turnouts so I can run scale wheelsets someday. I am on my third revamp of the layout and still find AM best by far. I like to do my own ballasting & it looks much more realistic ( part of the scale hobby ). I tried to go to a 19 / 20 in. radius with their flex track-- it can be done but, it took a lot of patience & work. I find the 24 in. R. ( banked ) is as tight as my fast trains can handle------ ( I am from the HOT ROD generation ). I do not get any bennies from AM for this endorsement I find most highrailers w / AM track users are very satisfied. Any more questions please do not hesitate to give me note EARL of OXFORD MI. "Phil K" <waldootten@aol.c To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com om> cc: Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models Track 01/07/05 04:49 PM Joe -- By the end of next week I will have about 400 feet of AM track, crossovers and about 20 turnouts on my layout (three 50-foot loops finished, and a 75-footer in progress). All of my Gilbert American Flyer, SHS, AM and Flyonel runs fine on it. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joe McGill" <basara76@y...> wrote: > > > Has anyone here used the American Models track system? I'd be > interested to know how well it works, how well it could accomodate > older AF stuff, etc. I'd also be interested in the minimum radius > one could create with their flex track. > > How does this track compare with the competition such as S- helper's > track and the "American S-gauge" track? > > Thanks, > > Joe S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33846	From: harbor_jct	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: TMCC and NYC B Unit with Railsounds

Can someone tell me, if I power my track with a TMCC system using a Cab-1, Command Base and transformer, and I put the NYC B unit with railsounds (and a fresh battery in it) on the track, will the Cab-1 controller acitvate the railsounds in the B unit? I'm considering converting the NYC PA's to TMCC so they're compatible with the NYC Mikado. If the TMCC system will activate the B unit's railsounds then I'll probably go ahead with the conversion, otherwise I'll stay with the two sound controllers and the conventional mode. Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33847	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and NYC B Unit with Railsounds

Rich, Yes and No, sort of. By its self the Command Base will not activate the "B" unit sound but if you are using a Sound activiation button or transformer with one you have, you can still use that to activate the old sound unit. I do it with my NYC PA set. I have the A unit TMCC powered and use my Z4000 to activate the "B" unit sound. Also if you use a TMCC PowerMaster base unit with the Cab-1 you can run the "A" and "B" unit in conventional both from the Cab-1 remote and then the Horn/Bell is controlled by the remote. See this link for more info: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC_Hookup/diagrams_of_tmcc_hookup.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: harbor_jct [mailto:rlebtrain@...] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC and NYC B Unit with Railsounds Can someone tell me, if I power my track with a TMCC system using a Cab-1, Command Base and transformer, and I put the NYC B unit with railsounds (and a fresh battery in it) on the track, will the Cab-1 controller acitvate the railsounds in the B unit? I'm considering converting the NYC PA's to TMCC so they're compatible with the NYC Mikado. If the TMCC system will activate the B unit's railsounds then I'll probably go ahead with the conversion, otherwise I'll stay with the two sound controllers and the conventional mode. Rich S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33848	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

The new list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Happy New Year to the list gang! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33849	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A

--- bruce weidner <weidner@...> wrote: > Those who run their trains on the floor are floor > runers...Note runing on carpet not a good idea > unless it is indoor/outdoor carpet. Would that make people who run trains on the carpet, "Carpet Runners?" ;) For those who aren't able to not run on a carpet, make sure the engine is clean and dry before doing so. My brother-in-law ran a G scale train that had just been serviced, lubed, and oiled on his carpet and this created a permanent stenciled imprint of the track on the carpet. We always ran on the carpet and I thought that my 293 New Haven steamer was a dog because it was always tipping off the track on turns. 30 years later when I ran it on a table layout I realized there was nothing wrong with the engine, it was just heavy and caused the track to tip when it was on a carpet. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33850	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: American flyer Mikado

--- Robert Keller <Bkeller@...> wrote: > Hi, > we've had one requested from Lionel since they > announced it. Hopefully, they'll ship us on for > review. > > Bob Keller, Associate Editor > Classic Toy Trains magazine > 21027 Crossroads Circle > Waukesha, WI 53186 > 262-796-8776 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33851	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2532

In a message dated 1/10/2005 2:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 15 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:24:14 -0600 From: Stephen Litts <s.litts@...> Subject: Transformer Size/Track I am getting back into my S-Gauge set I was given as a boy - so my grandkids can enjoy it, of course..... Questions: 1. As I enlarge the layout and add switches, do I need to enlarge the transformer? If so, what should I be looking for? 2. What are the pros/cons of original, used track v. the new S-Gauge track? How much should I expect to pay/piece? Thanks. SL Answer to Question 1. Depends on size of transformer ,engine and size of layout. #2 There is no comparison for how good the new S-Trax System is. I have been using it for almost 5 years and have had no problems at all. Just like all the S-Helper equipment, it is second to none. Chris Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33852	From: rlebtrain@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and NYC B Unit with Railsounds

Thank you Carl. It is good to know that the 2 sound activation buttons will work with the command base, it sounds to me like the way to go. Can you tell me, if I utilize the command base with the two sound buttons, will my train slow down when I activate the railsounds in the B unit? When you use your Z-4000 to activate the B units railsounds, does your train slow down? My train does slow down when I use the two buttons and a single transformer to activate the railsounds. Thanks, Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33853	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Lionel AF seaboard switcher on gargraves track

The owners manual states minumim 20" radius, how ever when I ran on a 42" loop of grargraves it keep derailing, worked fine on the AM track. I think lionel could have done a little better job with the amout of travel the motorized truck has.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33854	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Question about ebay auction

Below is a link to a closed auction for the Rock Island GP-9 from a couple of years ago (48033). The loco sold for $355.00. Is this geep somewhat scarce, or did the guy just pay too much. I don't have a price guide on the newer Flyonel items. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5947868978 Thanks, Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33855	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2532

"ROBERT A PERSING"Subject: Transformer 22090 Wrote I have a 22090 350 watt transformer I am thinking about putting on Ebay.I don't think it was ever used there are no marks on the cord like it was ever plugged in. Should I plug it in to test it or not? There are no marks any where on it and I have all the packing and boxes. The only thing I see is a small chip next to one of the reset buttons but did not find the piece or can here anything loose inside.Mabey this chip happened when it was made. Bob Persing I would plug it in and check out the circuit breakers. My experience is that Items that look new are suspicious. They are usually in good condition because they have stopped working some time ago, and are in need of repair. The circuit breakers on the 22090 have been proven to fail more rapidly than other A.F. transformers. The first thing a buyer wants to know is " duz-it work " ,That is all a transfer is good for, not a collectors item. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33856	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Transformer size /Track

Message: 15 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:24:14 -0600 From: Stephen Litts <s.litts@...> Subject: Transformer Size/Track I am getting back into my S-Gauge set I was given as a boy - so my grandkids can enjoy it, of course..... Questions: 1. As I enlarge the layout and add switches, do I need to enlarge the transformer? If so, what should I be looking for? 2. What are the pros/cons of original, used track v. the new S-Gauge track? How much should I expect to pay/piece? Thanks. SL _____________________ My experience is that it might be nice to build large layouts in Gargraves track as I have done as that track is flexible for gradual curves, it has operational challenges. With Gargraves one has problems modifying power clips and attachments for accessories. No longer are the standard AF clips compatible. It also does not "snap" in place for easily changed layouts. My advice is that get new or clean standard AF track for starters. In terms of transformers, these are readily available. I don't have the size chart in front of me, but I would suggest 1 transformer per loop, separated by appropriate fiber pins. Use a separate transformer for accessories. Even the smallest of transformers seem to work well if not over taxed. Transformers can be obtained from several AF parts suppliers who subscribe on this list, just look at their addresses. Hope this helps. V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33857	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: American flyer Mikado

He is a bit late. <wink> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/10/2005 12:13:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, weidner@... writes: --- Robert Keller <Bkeller@...> wrote: > Hi, > we've had one requested from Lionel since they > announced it. Hopefully, they'll ship us on for > review. > > Bob Keller, Associate Editor > Classic Toy Trains magazine > 21027 Crossroads Circle > Waukesha, WI 53186 > 262-796-8776 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33858	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Hi_Railers & Rivet Counters - Diversity Makes the Universe Go A

***(((( Note runing on carpet not a good idea unless it is indoor/outdoor carpet.)))**** Rubber roadbed does help raise it a bit,.....and can level out those low spots in the carpet!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33859	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF seaboard switcher on gargraves track

Both of my Flyonel Baldwins run fine on standard Gilbert 19+ inch radius track. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/10/2005 3:54:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, weidner@... writes: The owners manual states minumim 20" radius, how ever when I ran on a 42" loop of grargraves it keep derailing, worked fine on the AM track. I think lionel could have done a little better job with the amout of travel the motorized truck has. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33860	From: Bruce	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Carl T.

This is a public "Thank You" to Carl Tuveson for letting me see his layout while I was visiting my family for the holidays. Lots of neat stuff, old & new, and a great layout. If I'd hung out a few more days I might have seen the "Mike". I'm not likely to see one in North Alabama. I'm getting closer to building a house with a basement. Then the fun can begin. Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33861	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Carl T.

Bruce, It was nice to meet you. Glad you could take time out of your busy holidays for a little Flyer time. Next time your up drop me a line again. We'll smoke up the Mikadaos.. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:willisbd@...] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 7:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Carl T. This is a public "Thank You" to Carl Tuveson for letting me see his layout while I was visiting my family for the holidays. Lots of neat stuff, old & new, and a great layout. If I'd hung out a few more days I might have seen the "Mike". I'm not likely to see one in North Alabama. I'm getting closer to building a house with a basement. Then the fun can begin. Bruce Willis S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33862	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Spirit Lake, Iowa. NW corner of the state.

I would like to introduce Stephen Litts s.litts at mchsi.com As a new list member that has asked me some basic questions about the available track for S. I was wondering if anyone from the "Spirit Lake, Iowa. NW corner of the state." area might be able to get with him and show him some samples. I know I have samples of just about every track. Sometimes touching them and seeing them in action is what is required to make an informed decision. I suspect he will think of some other questions after he gets past these basic ones. I know the list can help him cuz thats what we do best. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33863	From: David Engle	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Spirit Lake, Iowa. NW corner of the state.

Best bet AFAIK is Hobby Haven in Des Moines, they do have a website. The Omaha area is next closest I know of. DJE -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke [mailto:s_trains@...] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:53 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Spirit Lake, Iowa. NW corner of the state. I would like to introduce Stephen Litts s.litts at mchsi.com As a new list member that has asked me some basic questions about the available track for S. I was wondering if anyone from the "Spirit Lake, Iowa. NW corner of the state." area might be able to get with him and show him some samples. I know I have samples of just about every track. Sometimes touching them and seeing them in action is what is required to make an informed decision. I suspect he will think of some other questions after he gets past these basic ones. I know the list can help him cuz thats what we do best. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33864	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: "S" Bookmarks lost

My computer hard drive died a while back. I had a bunch of "S" bookmarks that got buried with the drive. :o( Along with a lot of other bookmarks of train sites. If someone can send me a list of "S" websites and other train sites it would be a great help. Thanks in advance. I have to repeat the following ole indian chant 5 times fast so it won't happen again. "I am astu pidid eeot." Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33865	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Old Docksider 0-6-0

Y'all, I have a chance (first refusal) to buy an old Flyer "Docksider" 0-6-0 tank engine for about the same price as the coming Lionel ones. It's not in great shape but is said to run. What were the weak points of this engine as far as operation is concerned? Stumpy Stone...an operator, not a collector in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33866	From: John Foley	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S" Bookmarks lost

Hi Roger Go to the NASG links page at http://www.nasg.org/links.html John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org --- Ironhorse <cofa@...> wrote: From: Ironhorse <cofa@...> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:08:51 -0500 Cc: S-Scale Group <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] "S" Bookmarks lost My computer hard drive died a while back. I had a bunch of "S" bookmarks that got buried with the drive. :o( Along with a lot of other bookmarks of train sites. If someone can send me a list of "S" websites and other train sites it would be a great help. Thanks in advance. I have to repeat the following ole indian chant 5 times fast so it won't happen again. "I am astu pidid eeot." Roger The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Yahoo! Groups Links _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33867	From: John Foley	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: S Fines

Hi Folks S Scale Motor Homes http://www.wcinet.com/diecast/whatsnew.cfm?num=78 S Scale Coal Loads http://www.modelrailstuff.com/home.htm Some of their items in other scales maybe useful John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33868	From: Phil K	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Mikado: take care when installing battery...

As you've no doubt seen on Carl Tuveson's website, there's a lot of spaghetti crammed inside the tender (and the boiler, too) on the new Flyer Mikados. When you install the 9v battery, as Carl advises, make sure you do not schmoosh any of the wiring when you reinstall the tender top on the bottom. When I put mine on the track after the battery installation, I was careful not to pinch, but I got no Railsounds. I popped open the tender again and found I'd accidentally dislodged two of the three tiny wires soldered to the bottom of the volume control. Fortunately, I have another Mike and popped open its tender to discern which wire went where -- and after a touch with a soldering iron, all is well. Methinks now I'll take some digital photos of such things before I work on them -- so I have a record of how things were before I started butchering. LOL Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33869	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider questions

In a message dated 1/10/05 9:36:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 24 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:33:07 -0000 From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Subject: Old Docksider 0-6-0 Y'all, I have a chance (first refusal) to buy an old Flyer "Docksider" 0-6-0 tank engine for about the same price as the coming Lionel ones. It's not in great shape but is said to run. What were the weak points of this engine as far as operation is concerned? Stumpy Stone...an operator, not a collector in eastern Ohio. The pickup shoes and sandwich that holds them together are a bit delicate, and the plastic worm gear (not the worm itself) on the drive axle can easily get stripped by the worm. The one I got for Christmas in 1958 needed both assemblys replaced by 1960. It's still running fine with a Sagami can motor in it now. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33870	From: klaatu1944	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Help with Flyonel GP7

I have two Fylonel GP7's--Sante Fe and Illinois Central. Neither has ever run very well and I just put them on the shelf for several years, but now want to run them. Any suggestions for making these units run better? They are barely able to pull themselves--sounds like gears are not meshing or slipping---perhaps the main drive gear on the motor shaft? Does anyone have any suggestions on how to improve how these units perform? thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33871	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado: take care when installing battery...

Phil, You LOL about the digital pictures or maybe just the "butchering", but it has saved me on more than one occasion! I can't imagine trying to draw out things like I used to for a couple of reasons. Digital pictures and .pdf files are the answer!!! gary On 1/10/05 8:14 PM, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: > > > > As you've no doubt seen on Carl Tuveson's website, there's a lot of > spaghetti crammed inside the tender (and the boiler, too) on the new > Flyer Mikados. > > When you install the 9v battery, as Carl advises, make sure you do > not schmoosh any of the wiring when you reinstall the tender top on > the bottom. When I put mine on the track after the battery > installation, I was careful not to pinch, but I got no Railsounds. I > popped open the tender again and found I'd accidentally dislodged > two of the three tiny wires soldered to the bottom of the volume > control. Fortunately, I have another Mike and popped open its tender > to discern which wire went where -- and after a touch with a > soldering iron, all is well. > > Methinks now I'll take some digital photos of such things before I > work on them -- so I have a record of how things were before I > started butchering. LOL > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33872	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: Help with Flyonel GP7

I have several of these, and mine seem to run fine, although I wish they were geared lower. I had one gp20 that didn't run very good and when I took it apart I found that the plastic worm had split when it was pressed onto the shaft. I purchased a new worm from Doug at Portlines and it has been fine ever since. This was a NIB engine that had never been run. I had another that was not very smooth and when I took it apart I found the same split, but it was not split all the way through and was not slipping on the shaft, it just got tight when the crack in the worm made it's way round to the mating gear. I suppose it is possible that both of yours have split gears on both ends. I have also seen loose retaining straps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "klaatu1944" <gort@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help with Flyonel GP7 > > > I have two Fylonel GP7's--Sante Fe and Illinois Central. Neither has ever run very well and I > just put them on the shelf for several years, but now want to run them. Any suggestions > for making these units run better? They are barely able to pull themselves--sounds like > gears are not meshing or slipping---perhaps the main drive gear on the motor shaft? > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to improve how these units perform? > > thanks > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33873	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n

Bob Bubeck, Why not just have them pay Carl Tuvenson to do an article or send the CTT folks his url. Because you know that the CTT just LOVES s-gauge. :) Maybe a group member would be willing to donate one for review for a small time period. I know charity starts at home, but I don't own one (really - I gave at the office). Keep training, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: rbubeck327@... [mailto:rbubeck327@...] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:51 AM To: weidner@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: American flyer Mikado He is a bit late. <wink> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/10/2005 12:13:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, weidner@... writes: --- Robert Keller <Bkeller@...> wrote: > Hi, > we've had one requested from Lionel since they > announced it. Hopefully, they'll ship us on for > review. > > Bob Keller, Associate Editor > Classic Toy Trains magazine > 21027 Crossroads Circle > Waukesha, WI 53186 > 262-796-8776

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Bookmarks lost

The following should keep you busy for a couple of months! http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/saf.html http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/ http://www.classictrains.com/ http://classicamericanflyertrains.com/ http://www.trainz.com/ http://americanflyerwarehouse.com/ http://nasg.org/ http://www.traincollectors.org/ http://www.portlines.com/ http://www.afstrains.com/ http://www.americanflyertrains.com/ https://www.bangzoom.com http://www.berkshirejunction.com/ http://www.woodlandscenics.com/ http://www.nickstrains.com/ http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/parts/parts.htm http://www.rfgco.com/catalog/ http://www.traindoctor.com/service/AmericanFlyer/aflyer.asp http://www.frenchstrains.com/ http://s-scale.org/sscale/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=18&page_id=27 http://www.hobbysurplus.com/americanflyerparts.asp http://www.ssstrains.com/ http://stores.ebay.com/GILBERT-GURU_W0QQsspagenameZFAVQ3aFQ3aSLLRQQtZkm http://www.gurubrands.com/bin/category.asp?category=1 http://www.greatesthobby.com/wgh/default.aspx?c=ss&id=30 http://www.modelingguide.com/ http://www.americanmodels.com/index.html http://www.lionelstore.com/site/department.cfm?id=8C89D5D0-9467-42E1-878270A861A44996&killnav=1 Ironhorse <cofa@...> wrote: My computer hard drive died a while back. I had a bunch of "S" bookmarks that got buried with the drive. :o( Along with a lot of other bookmarks of train sites. If someone can send me a list of "S" websites and other train sites it would be a great help. Thanks in advance. I have to repeat the following ole indian chant 5 times fast so it won't happen again. "I am astu pidid eeot." Roger S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � Get yours free! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33875	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 1/10/2005
Subject: Have you seen........

No not Waldo! I am looking for some S-Helper locomotive power. Preferably in the Union Pacific road name. I have checked with Don and now I am trying to find one of the dealers that might still have something available. I would even consider the D&RGW or just Rio Grande. Really want another engine or two, but would even consider getting a few more cars in these same road names. BTW, a public "Thank you" to Don and everyone at Showcaseline/S-Helper. Bought some switches that were a little faulty from someone on-line and Don replaced them! Above and beyond the call of good customer service in my opinion and I am very appreciative. I'm now moving on with layout plans. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33876	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n

>>Hi, we've had one requested from Lionel since they announced it. Hopefully, they'll ship us on [sic] for review. Bob Keller, Associate Editor Classic Toy Trains magazine 21027 Crossroads Circle Waukesha, WI 53186 262-796-8776<< Hmmmm, so THAT'S how CTT gets the products it reviews. I have often wondered. Let me say up front I am neither implying nor inferring any monkey business on the part of CTT, to which I subscribe. But generally speaking, any publication requesting "review" samples of new product from manufacturers does leave the door wide open for a manufacturer to send out product that has been pre-tested and checked at the factory to make sure it performs 100 percent as advertised. Journalistically, I think the most accurate methodology of doing product reviews -- to best serve readers, who pay a lot of money for any magazine -- is how Consumer Reports, which has set high standards in the industry, obtains products for its reviews. They buy multiples off the shelf at various retail locations around the country and test more than one. For a publication to ask any manufacturer who also may be a current or potential advertiser to provide "review" products can also lead to an ethics nightmare. That's why I put much stock in the reviews (like Carl's) I read right here at S-Trains. Sure, I suppose a stealth poster could plant a falsely negative review, or the other way around. But when multiple positive reviews appear here posted by longtime members with a good "track" record [I couldn't resist the pun, sorry!], I gotta believe in what they say, good or bad. Just my $0.02 while hearing the sleet bang the windows, Phil K ******************************************************************* -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > > Bob Bubeck, > > Why not just have them pay Carl Tuvenson to do an article or send the > CTT folks his url. > > Because you know that the CTT just LOVES s-gauge. > > :) > > Maybe a group member would be willing to donate one for review for a > small time period. > > I know charity starts at home, but I don't own one (really - I gave at > the office). > > Keep training, > > Scott Dee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rbubeck327@a... [mailto:rbubeck327@a...] > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:51 AM > To: weidner@a...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: American flyer Mikado > > He is a bit late. <wink> > > Bob Bubeck > > In a message dated 1/10/2005 12:13:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > weidner@a... writes: > --- Robert Keller <Bkeller@k...> wrote: > > > Hi, > > we've had one requested from Lionel since they > > announced it. Hopefully, they'll ship us on for > > review. > > > > Bob Keller, Associate Editor > > Classic Toy Trains magazine > > 21027 Crossroads Circle > > Waukesha, WI 53186 > > 262-796-8776

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33877	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Cow and calf

We have A units and B units in S gauge so why do we not have calf units for switchers?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33878	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n

A review of the Mikado would only be needed if there is a supply to be sold. Only a handfull remain for sale. We do not know for sure that there will be additional runs. We also do not know for how long, or if, Lionel can survive to do these or anything else S related. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33879	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: Reviews for model railroad magazines

Dear Phil, All model railroad magazines want and expect items for review. One would hope that they are not anything but production models. We have offered samples for review in the past and have been universally turned down, they want stuff off of the assembly line. Some mfgs. will not send things in. This is not a healthy situation. If you look at Rail Model Journal's list of locomotives product reviewed in all scales you only see a few mentioned in "S". It would be nice to see a list of all of the engines currently offered in "S" instead of just 3. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33880	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late t...

Have a B&O Mike and love it, so who cares? There have been several good and complete reviews posted here, so a CTT review would be anticlimactic, as is often the case. I suspect, however, that there will be more Mikados in the next Lionel catalog -- a UP and a Southern could be next to augment to the northeastern versions. <wink> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:57:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, robbyking@... writes: A review of the Mikado would only be needed if there is a supply to be sold. Only a handful remain for sale. We do not know for sure that there will be additional runs. We also do not know for how long, or if, Lionel can survive to do these or anything else S related. Robby [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33881	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - - CTT Review -

**(((so a CTT review would be anticlimactic,)))** Very true Bob,.....but even though I most likely won't be buying a "Mike".....I would still like to see a review of it in CTT....just for the fact of showing off a nice NEW loco in "S" guage in a pretty much all O magazine! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33882	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never

>>A review of the Mikado would only be needed if there is a supply to be sold.<< Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. It is not a publication's duty to "sell" product by way of its reviews. The purpose of a review is to access a product's quality and performance, period. Whether more are available at the time of a review is not a factor. >>Only a handfull remain for sale. We do not know for sure that there will be additional runs. We also do not know for how long, or if, Lionel can survive to do these or anything else S related. Robby<< Sorry, but again, whether Lionel will make more Mikados, or whether it will survive the MTH lawsuit/Chapter 11 scenario is not pertinent to CTT or any other publication's decisions toward choosing products to do reviews. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33883	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Adding Links to S-Scale.org

There are over 300 S-Related links in the database. If you would like to add yours please feel free. Please try to pick the best category. There is a slight bug that may require you to type in your URL as http://mysite.com/index.html? (adding that extra question mark). Or you can send me a note and I will add your link for you. If you see a broken link please let me know. This database is also used for the list published on S-Trains.com. I added a new link just today, if you like Flyer see http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33884	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late t...

Gentlemen: Has anybody asked Lionel if there will be any more production runs of the Mikado in B&O/NYC and or hopefully other railroad logos? I know that they haven't been the most open in the past but since this item appears to be a sellout, their marketers should be interested in getting more of the product out to the customers. On the other hand their production investment capital may be insufficient due to the bankruptcy. Anyway, doesn’t hurt to ask. I'd ask but don’t know appropriate persons at Lionel. Regards, Joe Haughney -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33885	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: Reviews for model railroad magazines

Don -- Thanks for the enlightenment. But as both a consumer and a journalist, I have other thoughts, all with an eye toward fairness, balance and accuracy: If so much of today's model train product is being assembled and packaged overseas, how can a magazine get one off the assembly line? Do model train publications accept your offer of a sample and send a rep to your warehouse facility to pick one or two at random from your inventory? THAT would be the way to do it. Whether a manufacturer sends a product in to a train magazine voluntarily (I'm guessing "free" here) should not be a determining factor on which products to review. Not at all. I still think train magazines should buy them off the shelf, like Consumer Reports, to insure the highest ethics by both parties. And that's why Consumer Reports does not sell advertising, just to avoid any whiff of impropriety. Maybe I'm nutty, but to continue that thought, I also seem to detect a "favoritism" pattern in product review choices in some model train publications that leads me to believe that the biggest advertisers' products get the most publicity. <wink, wink> Same goes for which new products get the most impressive "product announcement" exposure in the editorial section. Sound journalism practices dictate there should be a firewall between editorial [stories] and advertising in all legitimate publications, and not just exclusive to model trains. I'm in the golf publishing business, and I see these same dangerous trends in other golf publications that are extremely desperate for advertising dollars in an industry that has suffered a severe shakeout in the last five years. Unfortunately, our business is so competitive that many ad-starved smaller golf publications take the low road and even offer their editorial [story] space for sale, especially in the area of new product announcements/reviews and features on new golf courses and resorts. Some even have a set price [unpublished, of course] for a product to appear on the front cover! Sadly, this sort of unethical practice is attractive to those who are desperate for publicity for their products. Consumers place their blind trust in any publisher's editorial [story] topics and material, and if someone can pay to have their product/service highlighted in that section rather than in an ad, all the better. I heartily agree with you that Rail Model Journal's list of locomotives product reviewed in all scales should include a list of all of the engines currently offered in "S" instead of just three. In that light, I intend to let my current 3-year subscription to Model Railroader expire without renewal because it almost totally ignores S, andf therefore I find it of little use. They should change the name of it to "HO-N-Z Model Railroader." I get 95 percent of my information about S right here in cyberspace, on S-Trains. My $0.02, Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@s...> wrote: > > Dear Phil, > All model railroad magazines want and expect items for review. One > would hope that they are not anything but production models. We have > offered samples for review in the past and have been universally turned > down, they want stuff off of the assembly line. Some mfgs. will not > send things in. This is not a healthy situation. If you look at Rail > Model Journal's list of locomotives product reviewed in all scales you > only see a few mentioned in "S". It would be nice to see a list of all > of the engines currently offered in "S" instead of just 3. > Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33886	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late t...

Dear Joe, Who would you ask? One of the disappointments about anyone who knows about this project is the person who I feel is most responsible for this great engine was part of the "palace shakeup" in October. Todd Wagner really did "S" a great favor by steering this project towards the "more detail" is better school. Unlike the "L" re-introduction of the Baldwin switcher which was more of the same. I think we might get converts with the 2-8-2 to our favorite scale, the Baldwin switcher will not. Don Joseph Haughney wrote: > Gentlemen: > > Has anybody asked Lionel if there will be any more production runs of the > Mikado in B&O/NYC and or hopefully other railroad logos? > > Regards, > Joe Haughney > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33887	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Testing and bias in print

I know from reading the automotive publications, they get cars on LOAN from the manufacturers. Sometimes they get pre-production vehicles for reveiw, but are careful to say they are pre-production, again on loan. If they suspect hanky-panky from the manufacturer, they RENT one from a dealership to test. Long term reveiws are usually from dealers as well, with no factory connection. I've never heard of a magazine turning down something from Detroit (or anywhere else for that matter!) As to bias to big advertisers mentioned by Phil, yes, one particularly well known publisher seems to do this quite a bit. I say this judging by their reveiws and then our experiance when we get the items at the shop. This is a sad state of affairs. There used to be a code of conduct for publications which spoke to editorial integrity (same goes for broadcasters) which is not paid attention to much anymore. The internet is a great place to find out about products. However, information on the internet is sometimes no more accurate than the magazines and there is no code of conduct. We're not in the Norman Rockwell era anymore! Stumpy Stone...the Grinch stole my Christmas, and I'm still mad in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33888	From: roy inman	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - Volunteers Wanted - CTT Review - Better late than n

Well, actually, I have seen numerous reviews of items that were sold out long ago. Especially the articulated locomotives of early MTH and Lionel production. The problem of course, is magazine lede time, which is three months, give or take. As far as the survival of Lionel goes, that is up in the air. But witness the billion-dollar deficit that Chrysler was facing and the government bailed them out. Wouldn't expect the same remedy for Lionel, but lots of businesses go on for years and years working themselves out of bankruptcy. This particular instance was, according to Lionel, precipitated solely by the $40 mil lawsuit, not a case of more going out than coming in. But hey, I am just watching from the sidelines like everybody else...so this is all just IMHO. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 1/11/05 12:43 PM, robbyking13 at robbyking@... wrote: > > > > A review of the Mikado would only be > needed if there is a supply to be sold. > Only a handfull remain for sale. We > do not know for sure that there will > be additional runs. We also do not > know for how long, or if, Lionel can > survive to do these or anything else > S related. > > Robby > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33889	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Mikado

My son opened a NYC Mike Sun and when got tender shell off to install battery found a diode with leads in horse shoe shape just laying on cicuit board.Opened the second NYC and it was just fine.Very poor design the way they sooldered the diode to the cicuit board.Other than that, ,the NYC whistle is GREAT!!! My B&O after about 2 hours of runing has lost the chug sounds.I plan to call Lionel Tech.center tomorrow for suggestions. Bob Guckian--In Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33890	From: Phil K	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: BEWARE: Paypal email is scam/hoax/fraud

Hi all -- My wife got one of these emails at work yesterday and I got one this morning. It looks very much like a legitimate email with Paypal logoes and such, and even had her full legal name at the subject line [they do that with a sweep-search program that gets into big networks and reads names on mailboxes]. It is nothing but a fraud -- a trick to get you to reply and give the evil sender your credit card and banking information. If you get one, forward it to "spoof at paypal.com" ABOVE ALL DO NOT click on any active links in this email! Some versions will download a stealth keystroke-recording application to your computer that could send your credit card numbers and passwords to a bad guy. COPY READS: *************************************************************** Notification of Limited Account Access Dear Customer, PayPal is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community of buyers and sellers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal employs some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. Recently, our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that your account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. This is a fraud prevention measure meant to ensure that your account is not compromised. In order to secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may require some specific information from you for the following reason: A recent review of your account determined that we require some additional information from you in order to provide you with secure service. Case ID Number: PP-051-384-664 We encourage you to log in and restore full access as soon as possible. Should access to your account remain limited for an extended period of time, it may result in further limitations on the use of your account or may result in eventual account closure. click the link below and enter your Case ID Number on the following page to access your account. Click here to access your account Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Please understand that this is a security measure meant to help protect you and your account. We apologize for any inconvenience. Sincerely, PayPal Account Review Department Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be answered. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account and choose the "Help" link in the footer of any page. To receive email notifications in plain text instead of HTML, update your preferences here. PayPal Email ID PP468 [or other similar number] ******************************************************************** All of this latest batch of fraud emails carry the same "Case ID number." Future versions may see changes in the number and copy. My wife brought a printed copy of it home, and wondered how it got to her since she does not have a Paypal account. The bad guys are just spraying them everywhere, hoping to hit unwary but legitimate Paypal account holders to steal their CC and bank account info. Paypal keeps shutting down the websites the link leads to, but they keep opening new ones. I know a lot of the members of this board use Paypal, so... Just a word of caution, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33891	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] BEWARE: Paypal email is scam/hoax/fraud

I've been getting two or three of these per week since last May. Consider yourself lucky that they've only just found you! Bob Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: "Phil K" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:41:11 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] BEWARE: Paypal email is scam/hoax/fraud Hi all -- My wife got one of these emails at work yesterday and I got one this morning. It looks very much like a legitimate email with Paypal logoes and such, and even had her full legal name at the subject line [they do that with a sweep-search program that gets into big networks and reads names on mailboxes]. It is nothing but a fraud -- a trick to get you to reply and give the evil sender your credit card and banking information. If you get one, forward it to "spoof at paypal.com" ABOVE ALL DO NOT click on any active links in this email! Some versions will download a stealth keystroke-recording application to your computer that could send your credit card numbers and passwords to a bad guy. COPY READS: *************************************************************** Notification of Limited Account Access Dear Customer, PayPal is committed to maintaining a safe environment for its community of buyers and sellers. To protect the security of your account, PayPal employs some of the most advanced security systems in the world and our anti-fraud teams regularly screen the PayPal system for unusual activity. Recently, our Account Review Team identified some unusual activity in your account. In accordance with PayPal's User Agreement and to ensure that your account has not been compromised, access to your account was limited. Your account access will remain limited until this issue has been resolved. This is a fraud prevention measure meant to ensure that your account is not compromised. In order to secure your account and quickly restore full access, we may require some specific information from you for the following reason: A recent review of your account determined that we require some additional information from you in order to provide you with secure service. Case ID Number: PP-051-384-664 We encourage you to log in and restore full access as soon as possible. Should access to your account remain limited for an extended period of time, it may result in further limitations on the use of your account or may result in eventual account closure. click the link below and enter your Case ID Number on the following page to access your account. Click here to access your account Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Please understand that this is a security measure meant to help protect you and your account. We apologize for any inconvenience. Sincerely, PayPal Account Review Department Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be answered. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account and choose the "Help" link in the footer of any page. To receive email notifications in plain text instead of HTML, update your preferences here. PayPal Email ID PP468 [or other similar number] ******************************************************************** All of this latest batch of fraud emails carry the same "Case ID number." Future versions may see changes in the number and copy. My wife brought a printed copy of it home, and wondered how it got to her since she does not have a Paypal account. The bad guys are just spraying them everywhere, hoping to hit unwary but legitimate Paypal account holders to steal their CC and bank account info. Paypal keeps shutting down the websites the link leads to, but they keep opening new ones. I know a lot of the members of this board use Paypal, so... Just a word of caution, Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33892	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never

ROBBY: A review of the Mikado would only be needed if there is a supply to be sold. PHIL: Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. It is not a publication's duty to "sell" product by way of its reviews. The purpose of a review is to access a product's quality and performance, period. Whether more are available at the time of a review is not a factor. ROBBY: Actually, people do look at reviews with the idea that they might be interested in buying the item. If the item is no longer available, then why would they want to read about something that they can't get! The point is that Lionel has to let people know that they plan to make more and send one in for review. I was told by Charles Ro train store, the largest Lionel dealer, that the Mikado had to be ordered in advance and that it was like that with all of the stores. So, little extra supply was made. This is their approach when it comes to doing "expensive" steam locos in S. I remember when Lionel was taking orders for the Hudson, and then they never made it. A couple of dealers told me that Lionel had enough orders and that they just didn't want to make it because it would be expensive and time consuming. Also, note that AF makes up about 2% of Lionels sales. We are talking about toys, and getting people into the hobby, so they are not going to want to hear about shortages. With toys, a review is more subjective rather than objective. Reviews can also be wrong, or biased, etc., but at least exposure is given. ROBBY: Only a handfull remain for sale. We do not know for sure that there will be additional runs. We also do not know for how long, or if, Lionel can survive to do these or anything else S related. PHIL: Sorry, but again, whether Lionel will make more Mikados, or whether it will survive the MTH lawsuit/Chapter 11 scenario is not pertinent to CTT or any other publication's decisions toward choosing products to do reviews. ROBBY: I doubt that CTT will go out and buy one; so unless Lionel wants to send one in to promote it, and make more, and it should be them doing this. The reason that I brought up the lawsuit and financial situation is because we do not know how much time Lionel will have to make S because S is only a small portion of their company. I also doubt that Lionel will get off scott free. There will be some award to MTH, probably about half, but we don't know. The situation could put limits on Lionel. Lionel may want the review to coincide when more Mikados are about to be released.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33893	From: roy inman	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never

on 1/11/05 11:56 PM, robbyking13 at robbyking@... wrote: > ROBBY: Actually, people do look at reviews with the idea that they > might be interested in buying the item. If the item is no longer > available, then why would they want to read about something that they > can't get! Well, I always look at the reviews of an item I have bought for a few reasons: there may be some operational aspect not fully covered in the instructions but that the reviewer discovered; there may be some manufacturing quirk or outright fault that is correctable by me, or one that requires return, and the reviewer may point that out; seeing a review, and a good one, reinforces my rationale for purchase in the first place. And remember that there are in fact numbers of whatever you want available on the aftermarket, e.i., eBay, train magazine classifieds, etc. And in at least three cases I have put out an "item wanted" call to members of this list and have found what I wanted in every instance. (What a great resource we have here!) So, just my 2 cents worth, but even if the manufacturer is sold out of Mikados, and local hobby shops are too, I would almost bet that in short order there will be more available, and that review may encourage (or discourage) folks towards buying (or not buying) one. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33894	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Mikado Review

Does Lionel care if this engine gets a review? I seriously doubt it..Will a review sell more of these? Probably not enough to make a difference. Will a review make more people aware of its existence? Only if the medium is something other than the present ones being utilized. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33895	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Lionel B&O Passenger Cars ONLY For Sale

B&O Fans I am about to receive by FEDEX my B&O set and desire to sell ALL the passenger cars INCLUDING the 2 bonus cars as a package set. The engine itself is NOT included. Any interest out there before I put these up on Ebay? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33896	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado - CTT Review - Better late than never

ROBBY: Actually, people do look at reviews with the idea that they might be interested in buying the item. If the item is no longer available, then why would they want to read about something that they can't get! ROY: Well, I always look at the reviews of an item I have bought for a few reasons: there may be some operational aspect not fully covered in the instructions but that the reviewer discovered; there may be some manufacturing quirk or outright fault that is correctable by me, or one that requires return, and the reviewer may point that out; seeing a review, and a good one, reinforces my rationale for purchase in the first place. And remember that there are in fact numbers of whatever you want available on the aftermarket, e.i., eBay, train magazine classifieds, etc. And in at least three cases I have put out an "item wanted" call to members of this list and have found what I wanted in every instance. (What a great resource we have here!) So, just my 2 cents worth, but even if the manufacturer is sold out of Mikados, and local hobby shops are too, I would almost bet that in short order there will be more available, and that review may encourage (or discourage) folks towards buying (or not buying) one. ROBBY: Articles and pictures of the Mikado should be put in the S Gaugian and the Dispatch. We also got good reviews here on the S- Trains list. I look at CTT articles on S, and S ads, as a way of promoting S to others. That was why I brought up the subject of availability. Lionel can let CTT know what roadnames will be offered and when they will be available, even if it is a six month wait. We may have to wait almost another year before seeing more Mikados because Lionel tends to release things near Christmas time for AF. I was lucky that I was able to pick one off ebay.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33897	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: S gauge cow and calf

Bruce Weidner <weidner@...> asked: We have A units and B units in S gauge so why do we not have calf units for switchers? -------------------------------------------- Prototype calf units were really pretty rare compared to "covered wagon" B units, like F3B's, F7B's, FB1's, FB2's, etc. The majority of switchers ran by themselves, or the railroads mu'ed two or more, as a calf unit was pretty inflexible and could not be used by itself. EMD built only 84 calf units, Alco built 2, and Baldwin built 9. There were also some industrial (2 axle) cow-calf sets built. EMD cow-calf models were TR, and TR1 thru TR6. The TR, TR2 and TR3 were similar to an NW2, which it looks like S Helper Service will be releasing shortly. The TR3 was a cow with two calves in an A-B-B set. The TR1 was like an FT A-B adapted into switcher bodies, quite different from the other cow-calf models.. The TR4, 5, and 6 were similar to the SW7, 9, and 8 respectively. The closest S gauge locomotive to make into a calf would be the SW9 made by S Helper Service. IC owned the only TR's and TR1's. TR2's were owned by CB&Q, CGW, CNW, Milw Rd, Belt Railway of Chicago (BRC), IC, and Southern. TR3's were owned only by C&O, but were leased to the South Shore for a while, then returned. TR4's were owned by BRC, Santa Fe, Milw Rd and C&O. The C&O TR4's later were transferred to the B&O TR5's were owned by UP and Union RR. Union RR even bought 2 extra calves. TR6's were owned by SP and Oliver Iron Mining (OIM). OIM also owned the only Alco and Baldwin cow-calf sets made. The CB&Q calf units were rebuilt with cabs very soon after they were built. CNW's calves were rebuilt to slugs after about ten years of service. I would say that most of the rest were gone by the early 1980's, although the BRC had their units till just a few years ago. With only 13 original owners and 2 subsequent ones, there were lots of railroads which didn't own calf units. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33898	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Technical Repair Product Questions]

Hi all: Attached are some questions for Lionel concerning the use of TMCC with a different electrical supply and their answer. Thought you all might be interested in them, even if you are lucky and have 110V, 60 cycle electrical supply. Rance Velapoldi (Norway, stuck with 220V, 50 cycle) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Technical Repair Product Questions Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:06:28 -0500 From: TECH SUPPORT <TECHSUPPORT@...> To: <velapoldi@...> The LIONEL TMCC System is designed to function at 60 cycles and will perform erratically at 50 cycles. There is currently no recommendation for using it at 50 cycles. Thank you. LIONEL >>> <velapoldi@...> 1/11/05 5:12:02 AM >>> E-mail from Website 11-Jan-05 05:12 AM Name: Rance A. Velapoldi Email: velapoldi@... Comments: Hi: I have recently purchased the S-gauge B&O Mikado set with add-on cars. Information is that to get the full sound perspective, one needs TMCC. I live in Norway where we have 220V and 50 cycles electrical supply. I have been using a step down transformer to go from 220V to 110V and old/new usual transformers to get voltage to system for your S-gauge PA diesels (and those from other manufacturers). But now that TMCC is available in S gauge, how do I (and other European O gauge aficionados) use the TMCC - or do you already make a TMCC system for export to Europe and other places using 220V 50 cycle for use in O gauge as well as S-gauge? I think the success of the Mikado in S gauge continues to open up the market which was previously limited to O gauge such that you will have to supply the TMCC capability for the European market if you do not already do so. Thank you very much for help with these questions. regards, Rance A. Velapoldi (Norway) Thank you, Lionel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33899	From: John Foley	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: John Hall decals

Hi Folks A while back folks were asking about John Hall's reading decals, Here is a link to his website. http://www.rdgcocab.com/chap1.htm John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33900	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: CTT..Review...I may be Responsible

Last week I got a CTT survey through my e mail..I filled it out and under comments I sort of laid it on the line ...as a subscriber since day 1 ...I this year cancelled my sub ..due to a lot of comments and thought from this list...I really wasnt getting much Bang for my Buck....being an AF S guager....WELL last Friday I got a personal phone call from Bob the editor ..we had a frank disscusion and I pointed out to him that if he wanted info and S related pics, stories, he couldnt do better than to talk and listen to this forum for articles for CTT.... I tossed a few names in his direction ..so if any of you WANT ...send in your personal comments and advice to his e mail ..or phone him...afterall...CTT can only get better..as far as S coverage is concerned....who knows maybe I might re- subscribe someday....He is willing to listen ...So step forward...I dont want to be the only Squeeky wheel .. Bob Keller, Associate Editor > Classic Toy Trains magazine > 21027 Crossroads Circle > Waukesha, WI 53186 > 262-796-8776

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33901	From: John Foley	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: S People & Animals

Hi Folks The Aspen Modeling Company has S people & animals you may not have seen. http://www.theaspenmodelingcompany.com/ John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33902	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Electronic Whistle Controller

Does anyone know how to hook up the Electronic Whistle Controller (the one with the vacuum tube?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33903	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Controller

Scott, Here you go. http://tuveson.webmage.com/ElectronicWhisHookup.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: Scott Holm [mailto:imsscott@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:56 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Electronic Whistle Controller Does anyone know how to hook up the Electronic Whistle Controller (the one with the vacuum tube?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33904	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and 50hz

Rance, If it's only the command base that needs 60hz, could a 60hz power inverter be used off a 12v dc power supply to supply power for the command base? Would it matter to the signals sent by the command base that the track power was 50hz? Would a common ground need to be established between all? Carl Tuveson, what do you think? I suppose you wouldn't want to get all the equipment to try experiments that might not work. I have ordered the TMCC equipment and could test (if I ever get the Mikado I ordered) whether the inverter (and ground) idea would work. Scott --- velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > > Hi all: > Attached are some questions for Lionel concerning the use of TMCC > with a > different electrical supply and their answer. Thought you all might > be > interested in them, even if you are lucky and have 110V, 60 cycle > electrical supply. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway, stuck with 220V, 50 cycle) > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Technical Repair Product Questions > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:06:28 -0500 > From: TECH SUPPORT <TECHSUPPORT@...> > To: <velapoldi@...> > > > > The LIONEL TMCC System is designed to function at 60 cycles and will > perform erratically at 50 cycles. There is currently no > recommendation > for using it at 50 cycles. Thank you. > > LIONEL > > >>> <velapoldi@...> 1/11/05 5:12:02 AM >>> > > E-mail from Website 11-Jan-05 05:12 AM > > Name: Rance A. Velapoldi > Email: velapoldi@... > Comments: Hi: I have recently purchased the S-gauge B&O Mikado set > with add-on cars. Information is that to get the full sound > perspective, one needs TMCC. I live in Norway where we have 220V and > 50 > cycles electrical supply. I have been using a step down transformer > to > go from 220V to 110V and old/new usual transformers to get voltage to > system for your S-gauge PA diesels (and those from other > manufacturers). > But now that > TMCC is available in S gauge, how do I (and other European O gauge > aficionados) use the TMCC - or do you already make a TMCC system for > export to Europe and other places using 220V 50 cycle for use in O > gauge > as well as S-gauge? > > I think the success of the Mikado in S gauge continues to open up the > market which was previously limited to O gauge such that you will > have > to supply the TMCC capability for the European market if you do not > already do so. Thank you very much for help with these questions. > regards, > Rance A. Velapoldi (Norway) > > > Thank you, > Lionel > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33905	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and 50hz

Scott, That is pretty much what I suggested to Rance in an e-mail I just sent him. Get a 60Hz domestic ups probably on the surplus market. I would use a couple of car batteries and charge them with a 50Hz charger. You only have to power the Command Base and transformer with the 60Hz. A 1000 watt would be more than enough. I see them at Ham Swap meets for less than $100. You could make a regulated power supply to supply the Batteries voltage but it would be more expensive? Carl -----Original Message----- From: Scott Holm [mailto:imsscott@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:02 PM To: s-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TMCC and 50hz Rance, If it's only the command base that needs 60hz, could a 60hz power inverter be used off a 12v dc power supply to supply power for the command base? Would it matter to the signals sent by the command base that the track power was 50hz? Would a common ground need to be established between all? Carl Tuveson, what do you think? I suppose you wouldn't want to get all the equipment to try experiments that might not work. I have ordered the TMCC equipment and could test (if I ever get the Mikado I ordered) whether the inverter (and ground) idea would work. Scott --- velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > > Hi all: > Attached are some questions for Lionel concerning the use of TMCC > with a > different electrical supply and their answer. Thought you all might > be > interested in them, even if you are lucky and have 110V, 60 cycle > electrical supply. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway, stuck with 220V, 50 cycle) > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Technical Repair Product Questions > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:06:28 -0500 > From: TECH SUPPORT <TECHSUPPORT@...> > To: <velapoldi@...> > > > > The LIONEL TMCC System is designed to function at 60 cycles and will > perform erratically at 50 cycles. There is currently no > recommendation > for using it at 50 cycles. Thank you. > > LIONEL >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33906	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Fwd: Lionel B&O Passenger Cars ONLY For Sale

There were 2 people interested in this set for sale which is only the 4 passenger cars plus the 2 bonus cars but I accidentally deleted your email addresses. Please contact me off line regarding your interest in the cars. Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33907	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/12/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "BENJAMIN PERRY" <BENPERRY1@m...> wrote: You better believe the NYC used PA's on their passenger trains. When new, they were used on the 20th Century Ltd. On the Boston & Albany, they were used on the New England States (#27) with a 4-6-4 as a helper. Ben Perry _____________________ The NYC PA locos did not always have the 4-6-4 helper on the Boston & Albany. The book "20th Century Limited" shows NYC PA & PB pulling at least nine stainless steel passenger cars in Palmer, MA in 1951. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33908	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and 50hz

Hi all: I have gotten some ideas from people on the list on how to circumvent Lionel's "lack of suggestions" on being able to use the full spectrum of TMCC on the new Mikado and how to get it working on 220V, 50 cycle supplies. If I change all my engines to TMCC, then this might be the way to go, but it is somewhat overboard for one Mikado. On the other hand, I would assume that there are O and S gaugers on the European market, so I will also try to push the Lionel people to make a TMCC compatible with the electrical supply in Europe. My last words as I go down in battle, S and O gaugers of Europe (and the rest of the world that doesn't have 110V, 60 cycle power) unite. I am trying to contact Neil Trump in England with this problem. No luck so far. Do any of you have his e-mail address in case I have the wrong one? And one question is how erratic is "erratically" in Lionel's reply below? Thanks to all, keep coming up with possibly other ideas??? regards, Rance Carl Tuveson wrote: >Scott, > >That is pretty much what I suggested to Rance in an e-mail I just sent him. > >Get a 60Hz domestic ups probably on the surplus market. I would use a couple >of car batteries and charge them with a 50Hz charger. You only have to power >the Command Base and transformer with the 60Hz. A 1000 watt would be more >than enough. I see them at Ham Swap meets for less than $100. > >You could make a regulated power supply to supply the Batteries voltage but >it would be more expensive? > >Carl > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott Holm [mailto:imsscott@...] >Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:02 PM >To: s-trains >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TMCC and 50hz > > > > >Rance, > >If it's only the command base that needs 60hz, could a 60hz power >inverter be used off a 12v dc power supply to supply power for the >command base? Would it matter to the signals sent by the command base >that the track power was 50hz? Would a common ground need to be >established between all? Carl Tuveson, what do you think? > >I suppose you wouldn't want to get all the equipment to try experiments >that might not work. I have ordered the TMCC equipment and could test >(if I ever get the Mikado I ordered) whether the inverter (and ground) >idea would work. > >Scott > > >--- velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > > >>Hi all: >>Attached are some questions for Lionel concerning the use of TMCC >>with a >>different electrical supply and their answer. Thought you all might >>be >>interested in them, even if you are lucky and have 110V, 60 cycle >>electrical supply. >>Rance Velapoldi (Norway, stuck with 220V, 50 cycle) >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: Re: Technical Repair Product Questions >>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:06:28 -0500 >>From: TECH SUPPORT <TECHSUPPORT@...> >>To: <velapoldi@...> >> >> >> >>The LIONEL TMCC System is designed to function at 60 cycles and will >>perform erratically at 50 cycles. There is currently no >>recommendation >>for using it at 50 cycles. Thank you. >> >>LIONEL >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33909	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's

One of the things I was wondering about was the paint scheme of the passenger cars. Was this actually used on the later streamlined cars, or were they all polished aluminum/stainless ? I have looked some on the net, but haven't found a clear enough picture (at least for me) to confirm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robbyking13" <robbyking@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC PA's > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "BENJAMIN PERRY" <BENPERRY1@m...> > wrote: > > You better believe the NYC used PA's on their passenger trains. > When new, they were used on the 20th Century Ltd. On the Boston & > Albany, they were used on the New England States (#27) with a 4-6-4 > as a helper. > Ben Perry > _____________________ > The NYC PA locos did not always have the > 4-6-4 helper on the Boston & Albany. The > book "20th Century Limited" shows NYC PA & > PB pulling at least nine stainless steel > passenger cars in Palmer, MA in 1951. > > Robby > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33910	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: 50hz TMCC

There is a thread on Trains.com about 50hz TMCC see http://tinyurl.com/4rmaa Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33911	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: NYC PA's

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: One of the things I was wondering about was the paint scheme of the passenger cars. Was this actually used on the later streamlined cars, or were they all polished aluminum/stainless ? I have looked some on the net, but haven't found a clear enough picture (at least for me) to confirm. ___________________ The two tone gray scheme was used on the smoothside streamliners. From what I have seen, the two tone gray scheme was never on the corrugated passenger cars (as per AF by Lionel). Some railroads did paint their corrugated passenger fleets (SP, UP, & MP). I have seen photos of NYC passenger trains with streamline and corrugated passenger cars in the same train, even though they do not match. I have seen photos of some NYC corrugated passenger cars with gray roofs and gray letter boards. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33912	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Custom Painted NYC Bullet Nose Smoker

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 33913	From: klaatu1944	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Thanks and another question

A big Thank You to everyone who replied to my request for help on getting the Lionel AF GP7/20 to run better. I eventually found that the biggest problem was that the drive shaft/ gears that drive the wheelsets would not seat properly and was the biggest cause of the slippage. A little tape as a shim helped that problem. I also realigned the main drive gear on the motor. One unit will now pull 5 cars over and under on a AF trestle set. Still working on the second unit. While working on the first unit, one of the brush holders came out. I have finally got it back together, but only after about 100 tries. Is there a secret handshake (or whatever) required to easily reseat the brush holder? Thanks again

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33914	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: S in CTT or any other mag.

So is anyone up to the task of submiting photos and stories to the magizines?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33915	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT or any other mag.

It is a nice start, a good format to the story would be to start out telling how you got your first train, how it lead you into the hobby, how you first got introduced to S why you switched over ect.. along with some photos of a layout(if you have one) or display of trains. Paul york is also a photography hobbyist and could give you some tips on how to take pictures of your layout. --- Jerry Matsick <jmatsick@...> wrote: > Hello, this is Jerry Matsick - after 45 plus years > in O Three railing it, I converted to S Gauge > this past fall, selling out a collection of 50 plus > engines, 150 freight cars, and 8 passenger > sets I am now into S Gauge using the new > manufacturers and enjoying original Gilbert American > Flyer as well as Lionel American Flyer products. > Many on the train talk lines have > asked why? Do you want to know why? It would > be a good article! Why a 9 x 20 layout > is now to small for O scale operating and for S > gauge it is perfect. > > Thank you > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > bruce weidner <weidner@...> wrote: > > > So is anyone up to the task of submiting photos and > stories to the magizines? > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33916	From: roy inman	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT or any other mag.

Bruce, et al, I would love to do so. Problem is, hereabouts there aren't many S layouts. One of the very few has been in a magazine recently. If there is anyone who (a) has a layout worthy of publication and (b) lives within striking distance of Kansas City, I would volunteer to make the trip, shoot the pictures and write the copy. My payment would come if and when a magazine decides to use the piece. Lunch appreciated but not necessary. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 1/13/05 3:54 PM, bruce weidner at weidner@... wrote: > > > So is anyone up to the task of submiting photos and > stories to the magizines? > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33917	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Ebay fees

I just heard on a news cast for a radio station, WBJC, that Ebay fees will be doubled starting on Feb. 1. I am not sure if any of you who sell on Ebay know about this, but I am just passing that along. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33918	From: Phil K	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT or any other mag.

>> If there is anyone who (a) has a layout worthy of publication and (b) lives within striking distance of Kansas City, I would volunteer to make the trip, shoot the pictures and write the copy. -- Roy Inman<< I could do the same thing Roy offered, story and photos, in the Chicagoland area (Northern Illinois, NW Indiana, SE Wisconsin). Problem is, CTT tends to use its own writers and photographers. I do not know if this is their policy -- or if there is a lack of quality S gauge stories w/photos being submitted for consideration. I haven't checked on their submission policy. I think it's no accident that other model train publications choose to feature other scales and ignore us. There is an unfair stigma that S isn't fashionable among the masses and will never grow beyond "cult" status, and it runs from model train magazines all the way down to hobby shops that refuse to stock any S. Roy also said his payment would come if he could place the story and photos -- he didn't say if he's looking for financial compensation, or would just be pleased to get the exposure. To my knowledge S Gaugian, which just raised its subscription price from $32 to $34 for six issues, does not pay for stories or photos. The late Tom Jarcho told me he never was paid anything -- despite his providing S Gaugian with many years of ultra-solid content -- his Roundhouse column, which I miss greatly! It was one of the main reasons I subscribed, and I see S Gaugian is now advertising for a replacement. Since I make my living as a writer, my feeling is that anyone providing a paid-subscription publication with quality content should be fairly compensated. My $0.02, Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > Bruce, et al, > I would love to do so. Problem is, hereabouts there aren't many S layouts. > One of the very few has been in a magazine recently. If there is anyone who > (a) has a layout worthy of publication and (b) lives within striking > distance of Kansas City, I would volunteer to make the trip, shoot the > pictures and write the copy. My payment would come if and when a magazine > decides to use the piece. Lunch appreciated but not necessary. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > on 1/13/05 3:54 PM, bruce weidner at weidner@a... wrote: > > > > > > > So is anyone up to the task of submiting photos and > > stories to the magizines? > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33919	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Goin' home from Keystone Meet.

Folks, Those of you travelling east on Rt 30 from Keystone might want to stop at the Paradise Fire Co grounds in, yes, you got it, PARADISE PA. Fire Co having their Annual Beef Roast Dinner from noon til six PM at the station (on the left). Drive thru take-outs or eat in. $10. Adults, $5. children under 12 yrs. Always good food, good portions. Nope, I'm not member, but I'll be in line. I'll have trains with me. S-gauge trains (the perfect gauge). Jim Lyle " Can see the signal bridge on the Keystone Main" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33920	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Coupler

I'm interested in a boxcar but it has the knuckle type coupling. It seems to me that I've seen where couplings can be switched. My current equipment has the older lever type coupler. How difficult is it to change a couple from one to the other? While I'm at it, will the old decoupler system work on the knuckle type, and what are the pros and cons of the two? I've not had any big problems with the original type, but perhaps I need to consider changing. Thanks as always for your assistance Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33921	From: knockbill	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Coupler

Hi Steve There is a replacement knuckle coupler, which will fit on the link coupler trucks to convert them to the "newer style" knuckle couplers, however you would have to change the whole truck to convert from knuckle to link.... or just change the whole base from a link coupler box car... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33922	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Fw: Flyerville repro barn

Never Again!!! Still nothing received. ----- Original Message ----- From: RFGCO.com To: Al Paolozzi Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Flyerville repro barn The Barn was shipped to you. Thank You RFGCO.COM POB 562, Oyster Bay, NY 11771-0562 Full Catalog $4.00 Post Paid, USA/ International $7.00 VISA / MASTERCARD / DISCOVER / AMERICAN EXPRESS S&H on all merchandise orders 10% -w/$5.00 min. $25.00 max. USA International 15% -w/$15.00 min. ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: RFGCO.com Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: Fw: Flyerville repro barn When might I expect a refund for the barn that I ordered on Dec 16th with a postal money order. The amount was $131.94. Thank you, Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: RFGCO.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Flyerville repro barn Wow! That was a quick reply. Thanks and if you would like you can refund my money and keep the barn. Thanks, and have a Happy New year, Al ----- Original Message ----- From: RFGCO.com To: Al Paolozzi Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Flyerville repro barn You mailed the order on 12/16/04 it didn't get here until 12/22/04. Yes we close, if we didn't close I'd have to send a picture of myself to my grandchildren for Christmas and New Years. Yes we too have lives and family. As far as it being your last order thats OK, since your previous order was in 1992, 14 years ago, we would have to wait until 2028 for your next order anyway, I can stand the disapointment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: RFGCO.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Flyerville repro barn I mailed a money order thinking it would expedite a return shipment. Guess I was wrong!! Toy trains stuff, closed until 1/5/05, kind of like department stores closing for the Christmas holidays. Last order from me. Thanks for the reply. I will send my grandson pictures of the barn that is coming. Thanks Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: RFGCO.com To: Al Paolozzi Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Flyerville repro barn We received the order on 12/22/04. We are closed until 1/05/05, and will ship ASAP. Thank You RFGCO.COM POB 562, Oyster Bay, NY 11771-0562 Full Catalog $4.00 Post Paid, USA/ International $7.00 VISA / MASTERCARD / DISCOVER / AMERICAN EXPRESS S&H on all merchandise orders 10% -w/$5.00 min. $25.00 max. USA International 15% -w/$15.00 min. ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Paolozzi To: service@... Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Flyerville repro barn I am interested in buying a repo of the 164 Flyerville barn. I prefer to pay for it with a postal money order. What would the cost be for it including shipping and insurance. Thanks, Al Paolozzi, P O Box 220, Pahrump, Nevada 89041 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33923	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Coupler

Watch out when converting between knuckle and link couplers. Link couplers converted to knuckles, while it works, results in cars coupling very far apart. Your best bet is to buy a set of link coupler trucks and change the trucks. They're commonly available cheaply on old junker cabeese with chipped roofs or steps. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litts" <s.litts@...> To: "S- Trains" <s-trains@...> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Coupler > > I'm interested in a boxcar but it has the knuckle type coupling. It > seems to me that I've seen where couplings can be switched. My current > equipment has the older lever type coupler. How difficult is it to > change a couple from one to the other? While I'm at it, will the old > decoupler system work on the knuckle type, and what are the pros and > cons of the two? I've not had any big problems with the original type, > but perhaps I need to consider changing. > > Thanks as always for your assistance > > Steve > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33924	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Barb is supposed to be in this year.

If I am not wrong.... Barb is supposed to have something this year in ctt... she is working hard to finisish it.... Bob > > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> > Date: 2005/01/13 Thu PM 04:54:03 EST > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S in CTT or any other mag. > > > > So is anyone up to the task of submiting photos and > stories to the magizines? > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33925	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/13/2005
Subject: Re: Where in the world is Barb - in CTT - Miss May?

Bruce, Your title line made in sound like she was to be in the magazine (almost like a model or something - :)), but of course upon reading the message you mean have an article in CTT... she'll make a good representative for us s-folks... do you know what topic she is doing? On her s-gauge layout maybe? Where in the world is AB324? Enquiring minds want to know what your topic is? Probably typing up a storm on the laptop while sipping champagne in first class flight back to the states. Hope it's a safe trip and enjoyable trip. Has anyone else in the group approached CTT about writing for the magazine? I have often played with the thought. Carl Tee would be a natural. Let's get out there and promote the gauge in 05! Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: rcon7@... [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:04 PM To: bruce weidner; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Barb is supposed to be in this year. If I am not wrong.... Barb is supposed to have something this year in ctt... she is working hard to finisish it.... Bob > > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> > Date: 2005/01/13 Thu PM 04:54:03 EST > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S in CTT or any other mag. > > > > So is anyone up to the task of submiting photos and > stories to the magizines? > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33926	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: S in CTT etc.

Bruce, et. al, CTT also has a photo album page that anyone can send photos to. Look in the magazine to see their requirements. I sent some photos recently and hope to have them included. But then again, I have submitted whole articles before and was rejected. Keep trying. It amazes me that in their heyday, Lionel and Flyer were close competitors, and now where are all the Flyer trains? Did Lionel really sell that much more? Is that why CTT is so heavilly "O"? CTT does indeed seem like an O magazine. But if more S is submitted, even simply photos, then S will be perceived as more than a "cult". Carl Giambrone just had a nice spread on his layout. Wayne Beachy did a short feature on hopper unloaders that was done in S but could be done in other scales (why would you, though?). My point is, it doesn't have to be a full blown layout spread. Short articles or photos can get the meSSage out there too. BTW, I am still a subscriber to CTT. Most O scale things are still interesting to read, and any S content is just frosting on the cake! Let's keep on trying! Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33927	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Where in the world is Barb - in CTT - Miss May?

Dear Scott, I have not written any articles for CTT, but I did steer V.S. Roseman's article about converting a Plastiville coaling tower from O-S to "S" to them last year. He made a nifty little model that I am happy to say I was able to convince Vic to let me purchase. He is working on several other "S" articles for CTT (one last night). Since he retired from teaching art in the New York City public school system, he has spend most of his time writing or taking photos for the model railroad press. Don Scott Davidson wrote: >Has anyone else in the group approached CTT about writing for the >magazine? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33928	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.

I'm sure that the Kalmbach Pubs i. e. CTT and MR work the demographics and are careful about how much S gets in their model train mags. It took me almost 5 years to get the scale version of the Penn Western into MR as a case in point. I did get the hi-rail version of the PW into the third ever CTT (Fall 1988 – Volume 1 No. 3) pretty quickly. I don't know if any policy has changed over the years but in both articles, my own pictures were accepted. Such institutions as magazines, TCA, NMRA, etc. are often accused of bias against S. I really think that it is the overwhelming numbers of HO and N on the scale side and O on the hirail side that influence these organizations. It wouldn't hurt to provide them with articles and pictures in the case of the magazines and our participation in the case of the NMRA and TCA. The NASG tries to help in the effort to get S into magazines. We have a very good staff photographer (Bob Werre) who has voiced a willingness to travel to S layouts to photograph them. We also have members who have voluteered their writing expertise to assist layout owners in getting published. The NASG also gives a cash award every year to the best article to be published in a non-S-only magazine like CTT or MR. So, lets see more S. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33929	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.

I have been to Kalmbach Publishing on a private tour. Many of the editors have S-Gauge and are pleased with SHS and AM quality. Like Roy said there are 10 times more HO & O people contributing and most of their advertisers are in those scales. The problem is that we is S don't have the time to flood them with articles or photograph our layouts to their standards. I sent CTT an article and photos in 1997 and they wanted more detail on my layout. Actually in 1997 S-Gaugian also turned me down but I was published in the NASG Dispatch. Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> > > I'm sure that the Kalmbach Pubs i. e. CTT and MR work the > demographics and are careful about how much S gets in their model > train mags. It took me almost 5 years to get the scale version of the > Penn Western into MR as a case in point. I did get the hi-rail > version of the PW into the third ever CTT (Fall 1988 - Volume 1 No. > 3) pretty quickly. I don't know if any policy has changed over the > years but in both articles, my own pictures were accepted. > > Such institutions as magazines, TCA, NMRA, etc. are often accused of > bias against S. I really think that it is the overwhelming numbers of > HO and N on the scale side and O on the hirail side that influence > these organizations. It wouldn't hurt to provide them with articles > and pictures in the case of the magazines and our participation in > the case of the NMRA and TCA. > > The NASG tries to help in the effort to get S into magazines. We have > a very good staff photographer (Bob Werre) who has voiced a > willingness to travel to S layouts to photograph them. We also have > members who have voluteered their writing expertise to assist layout > owners in getting published. The NASG also gives a cash award every > year to the best article to be published in a non-S-only magazine > like CTT or MR. > > So, lets see more S. > > Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33930	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Barb as Miss May

My understanding is that CTT is to photograph her layout this spring. Anyone who has seen the pics she carries with her can attest that if and when the "shoot" is published, everyone will be impressed. Remember, she went thru 4 heavy hurricanes this past fall, plus all the other trivialities of life and still makes trees one at a time. Just amazing. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33931	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Where in the world is Barb - in CTT - Miss May?

Barb is overseas in Australia. She left on December 27 and should be back in FL very soon. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33932	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.

I am told by those "in the know" that HO comprises 60% of the ENTIRE model railroad/toy train hobby. ALL the other gauges comprise the other 40%. So, when you break it down, (5% of the 40%) we have an uphill, but enjoyable fight on our hands to be seen and heard. PVMR's traveling layout is "S", and our "HO" & "O"members are converting themselves to "S". Unfortunately, we deal with the lack of wide spread availability of buildings,accessories, etc. of some of the other sizes. Not an insurmountable problem, but certainly a problem. I feel that if we present the market the smart manufacturers will fill it. Some are now. Perhaps what we really need to do as "S" gaugers is let NO opportunity pass to be seen and heard. Our 4' X 7' layout has received additional scenery and is headed to TCA's Keystone Meet again tomorrow. Also, working with a grocery chain to feature trains/railroading as part of their promotions. The possibilities are there, we need to look at spreading the word OUTSIDE our little groups to get the public interested again. Self-promotion is difficult for any group, but should be almost JOB #1. We can sponsor kids groups in schools, churches, etc. Share our knowledge and enjoyment. NOT easy, can be done. Gonna put the soapbox away and hobble off and pay bills. Jim "Clear signal on the westbound Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33933	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: coupler link and knuckle

Also have one car one coupler link and the other knuckle Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33934	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Digest number 2522 RE: TOUCHY LOCOS

I've been thinking that the Docksider is a really cute little engine and have wanted one, but they sell really high on ebay. I was surprised to read this implied slam on them and wanted to get the group's opinion of the old one versus the prospective new one. Is the original an unreliable, troublesome engine? As an operator, not a collector, would I be better off with the new one? Thanks for your help. Bob Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Yes, Tom, I have a real problem with my Flyonel Docksider! They're not out yet! These have GOT to run better than the original ones. Of course to be fair, today's manufacturers have a fifty year advantage in technology over old A.C.Gilbert. Also, the original trains were made for children to play with, not collectors or operators of model railroads who will pay for extra visual and mechanical quality. I think we are truly blessed in S gauge today. History could very easily have been different and the whole thing could have died in the mid-60's when Lionel took over American Flyer! (Do you see them making Ives trains today?) Instead we have some good, full range manufacturers and lots of "little guys" making stuff for us in S gauge, and it's pretty nice stuff compared to the old Flyer! So, revel in the new trains, enjoy the old ones for what they are, THIS is the Golden Age of S! Stumpy Stone...I play with trains...in Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33935	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: NASG Convention - Altoona

I have never been to a NASG convention, can someone hi-lite what I could expect by attending? Jerry Matsick --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33936	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May

Barb is a phenomenal "ball of energy", adept at organizing "S" gaugers (and lots of other people) where-ever she goes. She has a large American Flyer layout at her Florida home, she built it with her carpenter brother helping her. All her brother helped with was the layout framing. Pics are in the S Album section. Perhaps someone else can provide the address. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33937	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: NYC train shops ?

Any suggestions for train shops in NYC? I'm making my first visit this weekend on the way back from business in Spain and would like to check out whatever is in or near Manhattan. Thank "S". Bruce W. Hansen Email: bwhanse1@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33938	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Digest number 2522 RE: TOUCHY LOCOS

As an operator, I believe you will be better off with a new Docksider. Both the motor and the smoke should be better and the new one will have directional lighting, too. The vintage versions are cute and collectible, but $$. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/14/2005 1:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: Is the original an unreliable, troublesome engine? As an operator, not a collector, would I be better off with the new one? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33939	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May

I was there in 1971, Sydney and Perth, your uncle paid my way. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33940	From: Phil K	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Remember, anyone with a computer can read this

>>Perhaps someone else can provide the address.<< Just a friendly reminder for security reasons, and I'm sure Jim is aware of this -- anyone with a computer can read this board, including burglars, so if we exchange addresses or any other personal information, it should be done in off-line emails. Especially in a case where a person has been kind enough to post photographs of their collection for the world to see. And may be out of town. I cite an example of a golf collector who allowed a local cable TV station to come into his home to do a show on his rare and expensive collection of artifacts. The piece started out with a wide shot of the outside of his home, and the voiceover mentioned his town and street name. You can guess what happened a few weeks later. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@a... wrote: > > Barb is a phenomenal "ball of energy", adept at organizing "S" gaugers (and > lots of other people) where-ever she goes. She has a large American Flyer > layout at her Florida home, she built it with her carpenter brother helping her. > All her brother helped with was the layout framing. Pics are in the S > Album section. Perhaps someone else can provide the address. > > > Jim Lyle > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33941	From: Alan Evans	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Freight Car register

List, How would I find a listing of 4-bay hoppers, Class HT (about 1927-28) and how many were built & for whom? Believe a similar request for this type of listing has been on S Trains, but I didn't bookmark it. Appreciate any assistance. - Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33942	From: flyernicki	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Hello

Hi all, I am a new member to this group. My Name is Nicki Duffy, I am female and would like to hear from other out there. I hope there are some female in this group! I would like to tell you a little about myself. First because of a health problem at persent time, I'm in a wheelchair. I live in a small apartment, I'm having the dining room converted into a train room/office area. I would really like to hear from operators/collectors who have similar limitations, like having health problems or space problems. Working with American Flyer Trains, and my dad help me cope with things better. Nicki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33943	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 16, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33944	From: Phil K	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Docksider

Does anyone know if the new, yet-to-be-delivered Docksiders will have a traditional Flyer piston-style smoke and choo-choo, or are we getting a smoker like the one in the Mikado? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33945	From: T Larson	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Critters

The critter photos in the June Dispatch are great. It would be nice to see S critter photos uploaded to the Yahoo Critters lists to help others know of their usefulness in S scale; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OMULE/ for the Plymouth DDT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Critterslist/ for other critters -- Ted Larson Organ donation is a no-brainer http://www.organdonor.gov/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33946	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Alto Tower in S Scale

Hi All, I have found someone who is willing to make wood S Scale PRR Tower kits in small runs. I am in the preliminary stages with manufacturer. We thought Alto (Altoona) might be a good start. It still exists and was still a LIVE tower as of early summer 2004. Here is the shot of the model tower on the manufacturer's website. http://www.the-n-arch.com/Railway.htm Other towers could be produced later if this one is successful. I have not discussed the business end yet with Dan, but is could be either a "subscription" kit or possibly a Pennsy S Models project. I need to sell 50 kits to get it to go. Initial ROUGH cost estimates are about $90.00. (Read NO profit!) Considering that is the same price as the HO kit, this is a real bargain. ALL kits MUST be pre-sold for this to happen. There will be no kits left to "stock". Here is part of the proposal email that owner Russ Kaufman replied to me: "We will need half of the initial order as a deposit and the remainder due upon delivery. Typically, production occurs within 6 to 8 weeks once we've accepted your deposit. We don't cash your check or charge your credit card until we are able to start your project. If there's a target date in mind, please let us know and we'll do our best to meet it." This leaves time to have the kits made, and have them assembled in time to show them at the convention in Altoona! OK SPFs its time to get a real PRR tower kit made. All I need is 25 guys to buy 2 of them. Keith, are you willing to field and manage the orders? You know I am just the idea guy! (:->) Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33947	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider

In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: Does anyone know if the new, yet-to-be-delivered Docksiders will have a traditional Flyer piston-style smoke and choo-choo ....? Yes. Says so in the catalog and the preproduction sample at York was fitted with one. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33948	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2537

Writing for CTT & where's Barb & thoughts on the Mikado. Hi All, I once wrote an article on converting Marx bocars to S by putting flyer trucks on them (some Marx cars ARE S sized, but not the ones currently produced by K-Line). Susan at S Gaugian claimed they had too many like it, so I re-wrote it and submitted it to CTT. Amazingly, they paid me (something that S gaugian never does), but never published it! Barb is on a trip, should be back soon, and we all miss her contribuitons while she's gone. Just got my B & O set. Very nice finishes, but I am thinking that loco is sure full of delicate details that I dunno if it's "my thing." I DO note, however that (other than the boxes and the instruction sheet) everything is marked, "Lixxxx Co." even the cars, no more "American Flyer" made by. . . ." Nowhere on the loco do I see any AF marking, even the lift-out ribbions have the big L on them. Haven't had time to try it on a track yet, maybe at the Sac. Valley AF club meeting tomorrow. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33949	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2005
Subject: New product from SnS Trains

Happy New Year everyone. We are announcing another new product to start the year off. It is a different version of our track cleaning car. We can very soon put them in Boxcars, Reefers, or cabooses as well as our Flyer standard Gondolas and SHS flat cars. They will be the same price as the Gondolas. If you are not up on the original products, The Gondolas are $100 if supplied by us, or $90 if supplied by you. The SHS flat cars (new) are $120. I have asked Paul Yorke to post photos of the new car for you to see. If you wish, you can email us for photos of all versions. All of these cars use a chassis mounted motor that drives a spinning disk that floats up and down on the track as needed. It has a face of "Scotch Brite" that rotates at high RPM on the rails and keeps track clean and shiny. No chemicals are needed or recommended. Dealer inquiries are encouraged. Regards to all, Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33950	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Hello

Hi Nicki, Welcome aboard!!! And yes, there are a few females on board here!! As you can see by my photo albums: http://s-scale.org/albums/album31 .... ...I have a pretty SMALL layout!! Be sure to check out everyone's album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album07 . Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33951	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re;Hello

Welcome to the group. I'm a multi scaler who has a small layout. In fact the past few layouts have been small as I have no room for anything that isn't portable. My current S gauge layout is 4x7 feet. Space limitations can be a plus because you can build small layouts faster and cheaper than a basement filling empire. They can also be detailed at a much lower cost. And when you get tired of them, you can tear them out and build another one! The key to a good small layout is careful planning. Do you want to watch trains run or do you want to switch cars in a freight yard? Tunnels, bridges, scenery, or just a flat surface? Investigate what others have done, then let your creativity run wild! To see REALLY small layouts in many scales from around the world, check out the Micro Layouts site at http://carendt.com/ While you probably won't want to do anything as radical as a Micro Layout, it gives you an idea what can be done in a small space. To get an idea of what you can do with American Flyer be sure to look around for info on the old All Aboard sectional layouts that Flyer manufactured in the 1960s. I think you'll find this group a friendly and valuable place to visit. Stumpy Stone...the modeler the rivet counters warn you about in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33952	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Alto Tower part 2

Hi All, It just occurred to me that SOME of you may not have ANY towers on your layout making the Alto tower kit a nice stand-in. Here are a few other tower names that COULD go on it if you were so inclined: Harmon Rochester Barstow Hinton You get the idea. The fact is that MOST people including me would not be able to discern Alto from almost any other tower on any other road. Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33953	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Hello

Nicki, Welcome to a great group. This is the place for answers to ANY American Flyer question you may have. I have posted questions a few times and it is amazing how many responses you will receive! Plus there are a lot of people in this group that are very well versed on anything train related. I am a complete novice and moniter the posts eagerly everyday. I have no pictures to like Rick. I have a very incomplete layout but can run trains for our grandson. I also have somewhat of a disability. I had a stroke in August and repairing trains was a chore for several months. I think my trains helped me through a rather difficult time. Also please don't think that when you post a question it will make you look stupid. I have gained a lot of knowledge from posts by other people. Probably the question you ask was one someone else wanted to know and just didn't ask! So welcome aboard and enjoy. Flyerbuddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33954	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Track Cleaning

I uploaded some S'n'S track cleaner pictures to http://s-scale.org/albums/album32 for Steve. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33955	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Critters

Ted, Last year I built an S-critter using the model power DDT and a Bachmann ON30 chassis converted to S. It tunred out pretty good. I've put some photos up in two places: http://s-scale.org/albums/album65 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OMULE/files/SB-01/ Steve Blancard T Larson wrote: >The critter photos in the June Dispatch are great. It would be nice to >see S critter photos uploaded to the Yahoo Critters lists to help others >know of their usefulness in S scale; >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OMULE/ for the Plymouth DDT >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Critterslist/ for other critters > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33956	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Docksider

Hi gang, Welcome Nicki. When I went looking for a docksider I ended up with one from Putt Trains. It runs great, looks great, and has a metal boiler. I have been a little less than satisfied with the smoke unit, but the directional lighting makes up for it. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33957	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Hello

Nicki..... here is the chat link.... http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Bob RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33958	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Hello

Nicki...... Welcome to the group..... You will find a great bunch of Guys and Gals on here.... All will help..... Don't forget Sunday night.... 8:00 the chat.... You should get a notice on it... Join in.... Bob -----Original Message----- From: flyernicki [mailto:flyernicki@...] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 6:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hello Hi all, I am a new member to this group. My Name is Nicki Duffy, I am female and would like to hear from other out there. I hope there are some female in this group! I would like to tell you a little about myself.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33959	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Mikado and TMCC coincidence

I just had a remarkable concidence happen that I just have to tell somebody about. I ordered a Mikado and since TMCC is highly recommended, I wanted a TMCC set for it so I won one on Ebay and sent a money order to pay for it. Today, I got virtually identical FEDEX shipping notice emails for both the TMCC set and the Mikado that are dated and timestamped one second apart! Both shippers (from different states,) just happened to use the same shipping method, on the same date, for two items that are closely related. I assume the FEDEX shipping notice program sends everything out for a day at the same so the fact that the times are so close isn't that remarkable, but it's still cool. Now we'll see if they arrive together. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33960	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: CTT

<<<>Has anyone else in the group approached CTT about writing for the >magazine?>>> CTT staff were in New England two months ago, visiting several layouts/collections, preparing for future articles. Included in that "tour" was a full day (9.5 hours) visit to the layout of one of our Bristol Club members. His highrail layout will be featured in a 2006 issue....he has alrady received the photo proofs and the first draft of the article for review and approval. In addition, I have talked with Roger about a couple of other layouts within our own club which would be very appropriate for CTT articles, and he has every intention of following-up on those as well. I do not agree that there is little or no interest in S at CTT. However, you have to recognize that there are far more "O" readers/subscribers than there are "S", so the content certainly reflects that. They also can't publish what they don't have. The small 1-2 page articles have to be written and submitted by readers for CTT consideration...... it just isn't happening, to any great degree ! The feature articles, which are written and photographed by their own staff, can't be done until they are made aware of potential layouts to feature. Roger actually picked up on the above-mentioned layout from our BC website, and he proceeded from there....it was his initiative that got it going. The results will appear in 2006, as I said. (The entire 2005 magazine schedule is already fully planned and filled.....that's how far ahead they work....at least for the feature articles.) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33961	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: S in CTT etc.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@y...> wrote: JERRY: Bruce, et. al, CTT also has a photo album page that anyone can send photos to. Look in the magazine to see their requirements. I sent some photos recently and hope to have them included. But then again, I have submitted whole articles before and was rejected. Keep trying. It amazes me that in their heyday, Lionel and Flyer were close competitors, and now where are all the Flyer trains? ROBBY: Some AF has been found in attics, etc., some of which ends up on ebay. I have heard that some AF was thrown out at the dump, some of which was rescued by workers and people. AF was thought to have little or not value by some after the close of the Gilbert factory. The collectors also have a good portion of it on their display shelves. JERRY: Did Lionel really sell that much more? ROBBY: According to my dad, S never overtook O. In the long run Lionel did sell more, also because the Gilbert factory closed in the late 60's. There were more rich people in O than S, so they bought more and collected. S still suffers from the fact that it does not have more rich people. Gilbert competed by offering lower prices and realism (two rail and scale proportioned). The income difference and willingness to spend is one of the reasons Lionel produces a limited amount of S each year. JERRY: Is that why CTT is so heavilly "O"? CTT does indeed seem like an O magazine. ROBBY: CTT's readership is mostly O, and it has always been mostly O. One of the reasons that S gets coverage is because some of the O gaugers also collect/run S. S gauge has the S GAUGIAN. JERRY: But if more S is submitted, even simply photos, then S will be perceived as more than a "cult". ROBBY: S is a small percentage of the population, so unless the S population becomes significantly larger it will remain fringe. JERRY: Most O scale things are still interesting to read, and any S content is just frosting on the cake! ROBBY: S content is a side dish to the main course of O. JERRY: Let's keep on trying! ROBBY: We will get some of the O gaugers to switch or collect both; however the strategy should not just be aimed at them, because many of them will not change.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33962	From: Chris Burger	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: design software

Searched the archive and nothing popped up for layout design software or programs. Looked for links all over and no luck. Will someone please stear me in the right direction. Thanks, CB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33963	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel "American Flyer" Mikado

Jerry, You bet, more S!! I just found it interesting that within the big AF box, is the "First NEW AF steam locomoitve in decades!" but it isn't marked AF anywhere on the engine, nor are the cars (which used to be, so they had to change the stampings). Yes it is beautiful, as are all the new stuff from SHS and AM, but gee. . . . lookit all the details, even a cord for the bell. I ain't used to having to be so careful with my train equipment, other than to aviod dinging them, etc. Looks like if i sneeze at the wrong moment, I might break something. The scale guys should love this item! I'm just saying that I"m not used to such niceties. I feel like a bull in a china shop (come to think of it, I don't like walking through china displays--makes me really nervous!)! Ah well, gotta get going, the AF Club meeting is about 2-1/2 hours drive away! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33964	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: NYC Mikado

I was talking on the phone today with a train dealer in the PA area. He indicated that he had more NYC Mikado's coming, but could NOT get more B&O sets. If anyone is interested let me know and I can post the phone number. This may be no big deal, but I thought I read here or somewhere else that they were sold out. I believe he said they were $539.00. I cannot really endorse the place as I have only purchased a couple items from them via ebay, which should not arrive until next week. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33965	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: NYC PA Colors

As Robby King said, the two tone gray scheme was used on the NYC's smooth side streamliners, but was originally reversed with a light gray body and a dark gray window stripe (separated by aluminum or "Opex blue" stripes) instead of the dark gray body with light gray window stripe as is more commonly seen and as Lionel used. The New York Central Historical Society magazine, Headlight, has had several articles about the details of the various paint schemes used. The NYC did have some corrugated side cars with the later two-tone gray scheme but only on combination cars--no other corrugated side cars. The NYC ordered some EMD E-7s painted with the reverse gray paint scheme to go with the 1939 version of the 20th Century Limited that also had the reverse gray paint scheme, but I don't ever recall seeing any Alco PA's painted in that scheme. Geoffrey H. Doughty's book, "New York Central's Light Weight Passenger Cars, Trains and Travel" has many picture of the NYC's Great Steel Fleet. Pages 101-103 have the details of the paint schemes and stripes and page 108 has a picture of 3 different paint schemes on the same train. If you're interested in the later era of NYC's passenger service, I highly recommend this book. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33966	From: keefer1	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: NYC Mikado

The last time I was at Doug's site ,I believe it said he had some NYC mikes still in stock.And I wouldn't hesitate to endorse Portlines and Doug. I did find several B+O sets on the web,but I wanted to make sure The dealers on the list were out before posting.Doug shows out, if any opf the rest of the dealers have any let the list know.Keith --- Mark Kiner <AF336@...> wrote: > > > > I was talking on the phone today with a train dealer > in the PA area. > > He indicated that he had more NYC Mikado's coming, > but could NOT get more > B&O sets. > > > If anyone is interested let me know and I can post > the phone number. > > This may be no big deal, but I thought I read here > or somewhere else that > they were sold out. > > I believe he said they were $539.00. > > I cannot really endorse the place as I have only > purchased a couple items > from them via ebay, which should not arrive until > next week. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33967	From: james carnes	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: York - Spring or Fall?

Are there any differences between the York TCA meets in the fall and the spring? I plan to make the long trip to experience York one of these years and was wondering whether to plan for the spring or fall. Jim C Boynton Beach, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33968	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May

Jim, So was I. I even spent Christmas and New Years there. Best Christmas weather I ever had (middle of Summer, you know). Could have done without the circumstances, though. Funny thing is, your uncle paid my way too! Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@a... wrote: > > I was there in 1971, Sydney and Perth, your uncle paid my way. > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33969	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: S Gauge/Scale - Jacksonville

Just checking to see if there are any S Gaugers in NE Florida or SE Georia wanting to get together to form a beginning association For S gaugers. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33970	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Barb as Miss May

There is no difference other than the weather,I go to both. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Barb as Miss May > > > > Jim, > > So was I. I even spent Christmas and New Years there. Best Christmas > weather I ever had (middle of Summer, you know). Could have done > without the circumstances, though. Funny thing is, your uncle paid my > way too! > > Jerry Poniatowski > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@a... wrote: > > > > I was there in 1971, Sydney and Perth, your uncle paid my way. > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33971	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: York - Spring or Fall?

There is no difference except the weather,I go to both. Now I answered to the proper email. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "james carnes" <jtctrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York - Spring or Fall? > > > Are there any differences between the York TCA meets in the fall and the > spring? I plan to make the long trip to experience York one of these years > and was wondering whether to plan for the spring or fall. > > Jim C > Boynton Beach, FL > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33972	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: design software

I use rr track software. www.rrtrack.com Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Burger" <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] design software > > > > Searched the archive and nothing popped up for layout design software > or programs. Looked for links all over and no luck. Will someone > please stear me in the right direction. Thanks, CB > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33973	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: York - Spring or Fall?

JIM...... A lot of us go from Florida.... some drive ..... I lately fly from Jacksonville because its cheaper..... rooms there are the hard part..... April sometimes has rain.... Oct cold..... both worth it.... Bob -----Original Message----- From: james carnes [mailto:jtctrain@...] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 4:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] York - Spring or Fall? Are there any differences between the York TCA meets in the fall and the spring? I plan to make the long trip to experience York one of these years and was wondering whether to plan for the spring or fall. Jim C Boynton Beach, FL S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33974	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge/Scale - Jacksonville

Jerry..... If you can catch me. count me in!!!!!.... Just added 5 more boxed sets.... including a nice circus set..... Computer has been down for almost a week..... thought I had lost all my info..... got it back.... Bob -----Original Message----- From: jmatsick [mailto:jmatsick@...] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge/Scale - Jacksonville Just checking to see if there are any S Gaugers in NE Florida or SE Georia wanting to get together to form a beginning association For S gaugers. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33975	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: layout ideas needed

I have a 30'x25' basement will have to measure to be sure. one corner houses the furnace, electric box, area for washer and dryer a shower and a toilet this much area i can not touch. Once I teardown some walls I will have a 30' stretch along one wall to use for a train lay out. I want to have some long stretches of track and a couple of passing tracks perferably long enough to hold a passenger train such as the mikado set or the AM pacific set. I would also like to have an engine servicing area both steam and desiel but not overly big. I can come out I am guessing about 12' before I hit another area of space I can not touch(a small closet that houses gas and water meters). The thing is I do not want to have to get up on the table to reach stuff. I will try to get a better desciption of the floor plan when I can get to it. But maybe there is enough info to get a good idea of what can be done it that area of 12'x30'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33976	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider

Supposed to be "Classic" smoke and choo-choo. If it sells well, LIONEL will surely NEVER produce it again. Supposedly they stated 6 months ago that they would produce NO more Mikados in any road names whatsoever. Marketing geniuses they are. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33977	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Seeing Trains in another Hemisphere

Hi All, I have returned from my worldly travels and anxious to get back to my trains. But before I do, I just wanted to pass on to you that I had the incredible opportunity to meet and see the layout of Geoff Nott in Sydney, Australia. His HO layout was published in Great Model Railroads of 2000 and I have long admired his work. In fact, I carry that copy of the publication with me for inspiration and technique as I design and landscape my forest and logging operation . In Nov., he dismantled that layout and broke it into modules to take to train shows. He is replacing that with an On3 layout that, if possible, is better than the original. What a talent he has!! You can get a sense of these two layouts at www.greatlayouts.com. When you get there, click on the red ticket and then on The Videos. When you click on the Leigh Creek picture (first video) it will display some shots of the layout the he dismantled. If you click on Red Stag Lumber Co. you see a few photos of his On3 layout. I also traveled to Queensland in Northern Australia and road the Kuranda Scenic Railway built in the 1800's. What a journey through the very steep mountains!! When I get all my pictures loaded off my digital camera, I will post some to share with you all. If you ever get to New Zealand, please know that is is better than any photos you have ever seen of it. What an awesome place. Even though the population is small (about 4 million - the same as the state of Florida) it has many model railroaders who can be accessed on www.nzmodelrailways.com. I have never met nicer, more friendly people than those in the land 'down under'. Glad to be home and I'll 'see' you on tomorrow night's chat... Barb PS Welcome to the new members of our list.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33978	From: roy inman	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Fall S-Fest

What is the location of the 2005 S-Fest? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33979	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: WELCOME HOME

BARB................ WELCOME HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U WERE MISSED.......BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33980	From: doug	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: B&O Mikado set

Due to a customer backing out of his original pre-order commitment, I unexpectedly have TWO B&O Mikado sets available ! New and unopened. $750 each, plus UPS. I expect to also have 3-4 additional NYC engines available, as soon as they arrive. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33981	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: Re: Seeing Trains in another Hemisphere

From one Kuranda lover to another: http://www.geocities.com/augustinaustralia/Cairns_Kuranda1.html And for more Australian trains: http://www.geocities.com/beenonboard/ Welcome home! I'm new to S-Trains and have been in awe of all the great things people say about you! After someone pointed me to your album, I see why. What a great railroad! On your say-so, I'll check out www.greatlayouts.com. Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> wrote: Hi All, I have returned from my worldly travels and anxious to get back to my trains. But before I do, I just wanted to pass on to you that I had the incredible opportunity to meet and see the layout of Geoff Nott in Sydney, Australia. His HO layout was published in Great Model Railroads of 2000 and I have long admired his work. In fact, I carry that copy of the publication with me for inspiration and technique as I design and landscape my forest and logging operation . In Nov., he dismantled that layout and broke it into modules to take to train shows. He is replacing that with an On3 layout that, if possible, is better than the original. What a talent he has!! You can get a sense of these two layouts at www.greatlayouts.com. When you get there, click on the red ticket and then on The Videos. When you click on the Leigh Creek picture (first video) it will display some shots of the layout the he dismantled. If you click on Red Stag Lumber Co. you see a few photos of his On3 layout. I also traveled to Queensland in Northern Australia and road the Kuranda Scenic Railway built in the 1800's. What a journey through the very steep mountains!! When I get all my pictures loaded off my digital camera, I will post some to share with you all. If you ever get to New Zealand, please know that is is better than any photos you have ever seen of it. What an awesome place. Even though the population is small (about 4 million - the same as the state of Florida) it has many model railroaders who can be accessed on www.nzmodelrailways.com. I have never met nicer, more friendly people than those in the land 'down under'. Glad to be home and I'll 'see' you on tomorrow night's chat... Barb PS Welcome to the new members of our list. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33982	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/15/2005
Subject: AC/DC

Checked out the hobby shop in Des Moines yesterday while we were in town for a Lions conference. They only stock a 4-5 S-Gauge cars, no track etc. Can order it, but don't stock it. "Not many people want S gauge anymore." or so the clerk tells me. Yet while I was looking around, another person came in looking for what? ....... S GAUGE!! I'll be checking out a lead on a train store in Minneapolis next. BTW: I noted that the clerk said everything out now is in DC current. Question: Can you run DC and AC on the same track. Obviously not at the same time, but can both be connected and use one or the other? Or am I restricted to looking for vintage AF engines that will work with my transformer? Thanks Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33984	From: troyerg@yahoo.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: web page that has working links to all of my train auctions on ebay

I recently posted a message about selling my dad's train collection but the links got cut in half and they didn't work. I have made a web page that has working links: http://webpages.charter.net/mindseye/auctions.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33985	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: More on the Mikado--mine runs!

Hi all, Well, as Don pointed out, the scale guys won't like this one because of the flanges, and no arrangement for scale ones. Took mine to the AF Sac. Club meeting today, because the meeting had available a layout with TMCC (sp?) so I could test all the features. We lubed it, and then set it out on the main. At first it balked, loosing power momentarily, but after a little running, that improved greatly. Running trains by a remote control was a different experience for me. What I did like was that I could "realistically" have the crew ask for track clearance, recieve confirmation of clearance, blow the whistle twice, start the bell ringing and then pull out. Gee, kinda cool, even though I doubt steam crews radioed the dispatcher, in those days everything was done with flimsies! I didn't open the tender to put a battery in, so never heard the "shut-down" sounds. The bell and whistle sounded pretty cool, as did the chuffs, and the "resting hot" sounds. BTW, the loco will run without the tender attached! We did put some fluid in the smoke unit, and it can equal a stogie chompin' gov. for a smoke screen! Mine even blew smoke rings! That fireman must be really talented. Well, it was really fun playing with it, but I can't help wondering if all these neat features will still be working 50 years later, like my old ACG Flyer. Oh, one other neat touch, you hit the reverse button, and the tender light comes on, and the headlight dims. (well, my Daylight conversion does that too, using the reverse unit, but still, it 's a nice touch). The number boards on the sides of the headlight work too. Very neat engine, but only time will tell if it is a real winner! Can't wait for the docksiders! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33986	From: troyerg@yahoo.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Selling off my dad's american flyer train collection

I have put up the entire collection on eBay. I have put links to plenty of large photos, a little description, and what I have tested and works when applicable in the ebay auctions. You can either find the auctions by using the web address or do a search for the item # in eBay. I put $9.99 minimum bids on most of the auctions, some of them now have bids and some don't at the time of this posting. Here is what I have up for auction on ebay for anyone that is interested: 1. Silver Flash Locomotive # 479 American Flyer item #: 5950380171 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950380171&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 2. Reefer Car #947 American Flyer item #: 5950029008 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950029008&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 3. 2 Automatic Switches w/ Controller American Flyer item #: 5950184073 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950184073&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 4. Gulf 3 Dome Tank Car #926 American Flyer item #: 5950030416 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950030416&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 5. Bell Shed & Railroad Crossing RR Sign American Flyer item #: 5950121057 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950121057&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 6. Lighted Caboose American Flyer # 930 item #: 5950141074 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950141074&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 7. Diesel Horn Billboard Whistle American Flyer item #: 5950077639 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950077639&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 8. Southern Gondola Car American Flyer 920 item #: 5950071587 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950071587&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 9. CQ&Q Coal Hopper Car # 921 American Flyer item #: 5950076278 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950076278&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 10. 16 Curved Track 3 Straight Track American Flyer item #: 5950195662 web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5950195662&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT" I've gotten everything from the collection up on ebay except for a transformer and a few uncouplers which I may put up a little later. The soonest auction to end was 4 days and 20 hours at the time of me writing this post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33987	From: Phil K	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Fall S-Fest

Roy -- It is in South Beloit, Wisconsin, sponsored by the State Line S- Gaugers, and will have mid-November dates. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > What is the location of the 2005 S-Fest? > Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33988	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Palmdale Hobbies

Hi all: On a recent trip to California, I had enquired about hobby stores to visit near the Edwards AFB, Lancaster, CA area. Someone suggested Palmdale Hobbies. I did visit there, and found that the person who owned the store and was into S gauge in a big way, had actually sold the store to another person a few months ago. Palmdale Hobbies on Palmdale Blvd. did not carry S-gauge anymore, so I guess that store can be stricken from the S-gauge rolls unless it gets more visitors that are looking for S-gauge and the owner decides to stock it. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33989	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: AC/DC

You can buy all the parts you need at Radio Shack to build a control box that puts out AC or DC from you transformer. I have some engines that run on DC only but stick with AC for those with sound from AM or Ott. We built control boxes for our club modular layout. They contain a full wave rectifier. The transformer is connected to the common inputs of a dpdt switch. One of the dpdt switch output pairs connects transformer output to the AC inputs of a full wave rectifier. The other output pair connects AC transformer output to the track. This dpdt switch now selects either AC or DC for track power. A 2nd dpdt switch is connected in the DC output lines to the track so the rectified DC output can be reversed for reversing trains that use pure DC. Be sure all connections to the track come only from the output of this device. BTW, AM and other can motors will start with a little jump when running light using this method, because an AF transformer starts at about 7V. Solution to that is a little more complicated. Switching to yet another output that is rectified to a 1/2 wave DC output (a simple diode) helps considerably. Also keep in mind that almost all Flyers run on AC or DC. DC requires a more finely tuned reverse unit to avoid sticking. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litts" <s.litts@...> To: "S- Trains" <s-trains@...> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AC/DC > BTW: I noted that the clerk said everything out now is in DC current. > Question: Can you run DC and AC on the same track. Obviously not at > the same time, but can both be connected and use one or the other? Or > am I restricted to looking for vintage AF engines that will work with > my transformer? > > Thanks > > Steve >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33990	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado--mine runs!

We already know that the Mikado is a winner. One can nit pick around the edges about this new engine, but two weeks of ownership indicates it is clearly better than anything Gilbert did or was able to do. It is a half century later. It had better be better! When did we ever have a steam engine in S with a really good whistle and bell? Additional superior sound features? When have we seen modern quality die casting and crisp detail in a "main stream" S steam engine and tender offering? An abundance of add-on metal detail? A finished detailed cab? Sharp, prototypically correct lettering? Out-of-the-box walk around remote capability compatible with vintage Gilbert layouts with the connection of one wire? Well, you all know the answers. As for the life expectancy of the electronics, we shall see. What I can tell you is that my Lionel Century Club 726 Berkshire, which has similar features (RS2.5 is dated, but it has an electrocoupler) has been around for 10 years and still functions perfectly. The argument between "good ol' tried and true" and "new fangled electronics" has been going on for a decade in O gauge, but in the market place "new fangled" is winning. New features = more fun. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/16/2005 3:26:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: Very neat engine, but only time will tell if it is a real winner! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33991	From: butchclimax	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Twist knobs

Hi all, Wonder if someone can tell me how I might CORRECTLY remove the twist knob as found on the Drum Loader or Livestock button? I know replacement knob controls are available, but are'nt the original knobs snapped together such that one could get them apart? Thanks, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33992	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track

I am building an S Gauge trolley line on my layout, and will be using Shelper Flexible track. Question: have any of you used it and what is the smallest diameter you have curved to the track to? Also, electrical connection to the track what did you use. Thanks for your help Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33993	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Charles Ro & TV

Gents Interesting spot on a local TV channel news report last night. Local Fox affiliate did a spot on Charlie Ro's Train Emporium down in Malden Mass. Did an interview with the son and showed their second floor layout and the new expanded store. Last clip was interesting in that it showed new American Flyer boxes being packed up (looked like the Mikado) for shipment (Not Lionel, Not G scale (Charlie does a lot of G business) and not HO but S). I keep hearing that we are only 5% of the market but I really wonder how much S is being sold. E.g. Charlie Ro has a separate case for Flyer when you go in the main door of the store. Its great that they are pushing Flyer but it makes you wonder if maybe they really are finally making some money at selling Flyer and that's the reason for the push. I wish I was a fly on the wall when they (Ro and Lionel) did their inventories and end of year analyses of what sold when and where. . Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33994	From: james carnes	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track

I use it for a trolley line on my Christmas layout. The curves are about a 7 inch radius. I have put a flat blade connector on the wires from the transformer. I just jam them in between the rail and the ties. Works well for my temporary layout. Jim C Boynton Beach, FL -----Original Message----- From: jmatsick [mailto:jmatsick@...] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: S Helper Flexible Track I am building an S Gauge trolley line on my layout, and will be using Shelper Flexible track. Question: have any of you used it and what is the smallest diameter you have curved to the track to? Also, electrical connection to the track what did you use. Thanks for your help Jerry Matsick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33995	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Charles Ro & TV

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@V...> wrote: Gents Interesting spot on a local TV channel news report last night. Local Fox affiliate did a spot on Charlie Ro's Train Emporium down in Malden Mass. ROBBY: Charles Ro Train Store has been covered on Massachusetts TV news in the past. Charles Ro has also done TV ads. JOE: Did an interview with the son and showed their second floor layout and the new expanded store. ROBBY: I saw the layout a few years ago and it was very good (O gauge and G gauge). Before they did the layout, they were thinking of having an S gauge layout too. They had to have O because the store sells more O than the other gauges. They had to have G because they make G. JOE: Last clip was interesting in that it showed new American Flyer boxes being packed up (looked like the Mikado) for shipment. ROBBY: All of their sales were done on pre-order, so no Mikados are available. JOE: I keep hearing that we are only 5% of the market but I really wonder how much S is being sold. E.g. Charlie Ro has a separate case for Flyer when you go in the main door of the store. Its great that they are pushing Flyer but it makes you wonder if maybe they really are finally making some money at selling Flyer and that's the reason for the push. I wish I was a fly on the wall when they (Ro and Lionel) did their inventories and end of year analyses of what sold when and where. . ROBBY: I posted to the group last month about the display case in the front entrance of the store, and two large display cases in the S section. The big push is because of AM and SHS, also in the display cases and shelves, because Charlie is really impressed with the quality and increased variety. Over the last few years I have seen a lot of AM and SHS move out of Ro's. A year ago they had SHS starter sets and Maine Central AB pairs on display right near the cash register, and a customer picked up an SHS starter set that he had ordered from the catalog while I was there. The display case at the front of the store has an SHS Maine Central A unit, and PS hoppers of Genesee & Wyoming and Reading, etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33996	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2538

Any suggestions for train shops in NYC? I'm making my first visit this weekend on the way back from business in Spain and would like to check out whatever is in or near Manhattan. Thank "S". Bruce W. Hansen Email: bwhanse1@... Stuyvesant trains on 14th St between 9th and 10th ave mostly O All City trains on 45th St between 5th and 6th ave (upstairs) some AF mostly HO and N ask for Jay who knows O AND AF Red Caboose on 45th St (downstairs) between 5th and 6th ave some SHS ,Kit models, HO and N Trainland in Brooklyn,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33997	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado--mine runs!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > As for the life expectancy of the electronics, we shall see. What I can tell > you is that my Lionel Century Club 726 Berkshire, which has similar features > (RS2.5 is dated, but it has an electrocoupler) has been around for 10 years and > still functions perfectly. > Bob Bubeck > I thought the Century Club Berk was offered about 5 years ago, to coincide with Lionel's Centennial. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33998	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization

Maybe each member can write a short description of his layout...eg. size;type of track, temp or perm, number /type switches, number/types locos, interesting features etc. Lots of us never have time to do the chatroom and would like to see what people are doing. I'm using AF track for my yard area and SHS-track for the rest of the layout, the AF track on roadbed matches the S-trak height. I even built a reverse loop with a 695 and S Trak switch. I build temp layouts on a 12X8 burlap rug backing piece. AF 15 steamers, 12 diesels; AM K4 and 6 diesels, 4 SHS diesels; 3 SHS switches 11 AF switches; have built a 16 "Railgun using 4 depressed center cars and will pull it with a SHS 2-8-0 hopefully -Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 33999	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado--mine runs!

Hi Scott, 1996, actually, so its nine years. The last offering in the series of five engines for CC1 was the 773 in 2000. All five Century Club 1 issues that I own are running just fine, BTW. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/16/2005 4:44:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes: --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > As for the life expectancy of the electronics, we shall see. What I can tell > you is that my Lionel Century Club 726 Berkshire, which has similar features > (RS2.5 is dated, but it has an electrocoupler) has been around for 10 years and > still functions perfectly. > Bob Bubeck > I thought the Century Club Berk was offered about 5 years ago, to coincide with Lionel's Centennial. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34000	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization

Go here, http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album39 for mine. A bit dated, but hope you enjoy. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/16/2005 4:45:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, G-WOLFGANG5@... writes: Maybe each member can write a short description of his layout...eg. size;type of track, temp or perm, number /type switches, number/types locos, interesting features etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34001	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization

Anyone interested can see my in-progress layout at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album27 It is 100% AF track with AF rubber roadbed. It has three loops with a 4% grade between the inner loop and the middle loop. The middle and outer loop are at the same grade. All of the track is laid and powered. All of the turnouts are wired. I can run three trains each on an independent loop or can switch a train from one loop to another while running another train on the third loop. I haven't tried running three trains at the same time while moving between loops but I think I can without a major crash! The next project is the backdrop. Then add in the accessories and then the scenery. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34002	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 16, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34003	From: keefer1	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: 30B

I have two, one says 15 volt max, other says 18 on the id plate..Both have the same output. Whats the difference? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34004	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Vanishing Steam

For steam folks, I just purchased the book Vanishing Steam by Eric Langhammer (Harry N. Abrams, publisher, 2002). Eric spent parts of 25 years capturing color photos of the final days of steam railroading around the world - especially in India, Germany, and Cuba. His pictures remind me at times of O. Winston Link. I found the $40 book for $10 at a discount book store. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34005	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: PEM and Winross 1/64 trucks for sale

I have found a box of 1/64 S scale trucks tucked away that I would like to sell. I will sell them for $20 each plus shipping. ( these all sold new for $35-$50) Shipping should be about $4 for 1. and as a discount to the list people I will ship as many as you buy for $5. Please send any responses off list. I can take Paypal or checks. My ebay reference er099, TCA 87-26227. PEM brand: 1. PFT Robertson flat 2. Autoworks cab and trailer 3. Weyerhauser cab and trailer Winross Brand: 1. Ford Aeromax cab and trailer 2. Cabover Fed-EX 3. BN America Red/White/Blue 4. Ford Aeromax 120 5. Special Dr Pepper with 5 old logos. 6. PPG indy car series special 7. Orange-purple Federal express 8. Formula Shell chrome tanker 9. Aeromax Ford special tour Louisville Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34006	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: layout ideas needed

Thanks for the input, if you know of any layout planing resourses book, web, software etc let me know. --- Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> wrote: > > > >From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> > >To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > >>of the floor plan when I can get to it. But maybe > >there is enough info to get a good idea of what can > be > >done it that area of 12'x30' > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos > >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Sounds like a decent space. As it sounds - 30" > around the walls with one > lift-up or duckunder to get inside. Steps I might > suggest: > 1. Measure out basement and make rough drawing with > measurements. > 2. Determine where walls already are and where you > might put up new ones. > 3. Determine what type of track you want to use. > 4. Determine minimum radiii -- Flyer track, SHS > track, AM, Flex track. > 5. With 12' width you could go with 30" or more min. > radius. > 6. Probably think fo two loops or twice around - or > once around with a > branchline leading to a higher level. > 7. If possible - a staging yard or end of branch > could extend into area with > furnace, etc. to store trains. > 8. If circuit box is in the 12' x 30' rectangle area > - you'll have to get > around it by bumping out the backdrop, angling > backdrop (if in corner), or > having a lift bridge to access. I once had a layout > where the circuit box > was in the corner - I angled the layout and backdrop > so I could duck under > and then stand up to access the fuse box. Worked > pretty good as I didn't > have to get in there that often. I even had a light > behind the backdrop to > see the box. > Jeff, NASG Dispatch Editor > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34007	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado

It certainly is good to hear the success stories with the new Lionel S gauge Mikado. It seems the current crop of managers at Lionel really are serious about S gauge. Bravo, Lionel! It's about time you got serious with the perfect scale. The 2-8-2 is a bit pricey for me, but at $$100.00, the re-motored Dockside is not! I'm a diesel guy, but it's quite likely the wife-unit will be prevailing upon the C+D motive department (me) for a Santa Fe copy of the 0-6-0. (Another smart move by Lionel, btw.) Somebody mentioned something about Lionel maybe, perhaps, putting an end to S gauge 2-8-2 production. I can't understand why they would do that. Now that they have the tooling, wouldn't they want to make it pay off even more? They don't have anything against money, do they? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34008	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization

The Christmas layout (C+D System Mountain Division) up to 2002: http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267 The modular layout (C+D System Transcon Division)up to 2000: http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34009	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization

Good idea! The Upstairs Train is an all American Flyer S-Guage model railroad on a 10' X 11' table in our upstairs "bonus room" - thus its name. I hope you enjoy seeing it as much as I've enjoyed building it. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain The layout has places for up to 14 trains on the tracks at once, with up to four moving independently at once, plus short sidings for a hand car and spare engine. (Actually, there is room for 17 trains on the tracks at once, but that results in gridlock and no train can go very far.) The Upstairs Train doesn't simply go around in circles. There are seven intersecting loop routes on two levels, passing over, under, and around one another, for a total of 127 feet of track. There are four bridges, three tunnels, and trestle slopes up and down between the levels. At this time, the collection comprises seventeen trains (some still incomplete) and a handcar, so at any given time, there are a couple of trains off track. There are twenty one engines, forty seven passenger cars, twenty seven freight cars, and a handcar. There are eight steam engines, three GP diesel engines, a Baldwin diesel, four dual Alco diesels (powered unit plus dummy), and a single unit Alco diesel. There are three old-style passenger cars from the 1800s in the Frontiersman set, seven New Haven style cars in two trains, nine Pullman Heavyweights in two trains, and twenty eight streamliners in six trains. That makes up eleven passenger trains and six freights. In addition, a set of C&O Alco engines and four streamliners (a chestnut 963, an unstriped 963, and chrome 962 & 963) are the beginnings of four more trains! Overall, it provides a pretty representative sampling of the trains made by American Flyer over the years. Most are from the 1950s, but some are from the 1940s, 1960s, and 1990s. There are three roads with five grade crossings controlled by flashing warning lights, a bunch of automobiles and trucks, twenty one buildings including eight towers, and six operating accessories. THOMAS E HILLERY <G-WOLFGANG5@...> wrote: Maybe each member can write a short description of his layout...eg. size;type of track, temp or perm, number /type switches, number/types locos, interesting features etc. Lots of us never have time to do the chatroom and would like to see what people are doing. I'm using AF track for my yard area and SHS-track for the rest of the layout, the AF track on roadbed matches the S-trak height. I even built a reverse loop with a 695 and S Trak switch. I build temp layouts on a 12X8 burlap rug backing piece. AF 15 steamers, 12 diesels; AM K4 and 6 diesels, 4 SHS diesels; 3 SHS switches 11 AF switches; have built a 16 "Railgun using 4 depressed center cars and will pull it with a SHS 2-8-0 hopefully -Tom Hillery S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34010	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado

Dear Chuck, Get real. The managers of this project were let go in October. It is really a shame that Todd Wagner that put so much time and effort into the Mike will not be around to get any of the kudos. It is possible that the new people will see the light, but it was Todd who fanned the embers. All "S" gaugers owe him BIG for the first real positive American Flyer project from Lionel. Now if he would of only would have put code 110 wheels on a few..... Best regards, Don PS I wonder why "American Flyer" is not imprinted on this item except on the box and instruction manual? jayhoo64 wrote: >It certainly is good to hear the success stories with the new Lionel S >gauge Mikado. It seems the current crop of managers at Lionel really >are serious about S gauge. Bravo, Lionel! It's about time you got >serious with the perfect scale. > >Chuck F. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34011	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Vanishing Steam

David -- It IS a great book, though it made me kinda sad to look at the onetime great locos all lined up, rusting, while waiting for the cutting torches. I got my copy at Main Street Books in downtown Sarasota, Fla. over Christmas, I think for about the same 10 bucks. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Highfield" <davidh@c...> wrote: > > > For steam folks, I just purchased the book Vanishing Steam by Eric Langhammer (Harry N. Abrams, publisher, 2002). Eric spent parts of 25 years capturing color photos of the final days of steam railroading around the world - especially in India, Germany, and Cuba. His pictures remind me at times of O. Winston Link. I found the $40 book for $10 at a discount book store. > Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34012	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Train wreck with the Mikado

I am just sick about this morning, our new engine fell off the table and got injured. My standard poodle jumped off the couch near the train, dragged a blanket along with her color and the blanket flipped out over the engine and brought the Mik crashing down. We took it to the dealer today and now will not have it for a while. Opps, train wreck. From now on when we are not useing it we will set it on another table. We have a large round living room table where we set up a 3 track display with buildings and things in the center. Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34013	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Train wreck with the Mikado

You didn't tell us what happened to the poodle? Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sue & George" <psyborg_gb@y...> wrote: > > > I am just sick about this morning, our new engine fell off the table > and got injured. > My standard poodle jumped off the couch near the train, dragged a > blanket along with her color and the blanket flipped out over the > engine and brought the Mik crashing down. > We took it to the dealer today and now will not have it for a while. > Opps, train wreck. > From now on when we are not useing it we will set it on another table. > We have a large round living room table where we set up a 3 track > display with buildings and things in the center. > Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34014	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track

Did you mean a 27" radius? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34015	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

Unfortunately (read that VERY unfortunately), the folks responsible for the Mikado and the AF resurgence at Lionel are no longer "the current crop". It remains to be seen what will happen after 2005. The 2005-2006 planning was already in the pipeline at the time of the big shake-up, so it probably won't be changed all that much, but beyond that, who knows. ORIGINAL MESSAGE: <<<It seems the current crop of managers at Lionel really are serious about S gauge. Bravo, Lionel! It's about time you got serious with the perfect scale. >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34016	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re;S Helper flexible track.

Jack, it could be 7" radius! I have used Atlas HO flex track down to 3" radius in On30 for a trolley, and 6" radius for a mine train. My On30 Micro Layout uses 12" radius as standard, even though the trains are supposed to have a minimum radius of 18". I'm planning to do a Micro in S gauge to take to train shows, just to show what is possible, and will probably use 12" radius curves on it. I know regular Flyer freight cars will go around that. I'm waiting for the Flyonel Docksider before I start building to see what radius it will go around. The Gilbert All Aboard modules at 15" radius was the tightest curve manufactured in S gauge as far as I know. Actually trains in ALL scales operate and look better as the curve radius gets bigger! Stumpy Stone...the modeler the rivet counters warn you about in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34017	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Twist knobs

Butch, You have to remove the two pushpins that hold the base into the control box. Then you have to unsolder the two wire leads from the rotary knob, which project downward through two soldered connections in the base plate. As soon as you have those unsoldered and free, the plate will drop out. The knob is then removed by just unscrewing a nut from the inside. The tricky thing is getting those wires completely unsoldered so the base can be removed. Unfortunately there is little/no extra wire inside the unit to allow you any flexibility in tugging on that base to remove it. ORIGINAL MESSAGE: <<<<Wonder if someone can tell me how I might CORRECTLY remove the twist knob as found on the Drum Loader or Livestock button? I know replacement knob controls are available, but are'nt the original knobs snapped together such that one could get them apart?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34018	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: More on the Mikado

Donald Thompson wrote: >Dear Chuck, Get real. What...have I missed something again? You not used to me posting nicey-nice about Lionel? ;^) >The managers of this project were let go in October. WHAT? ANOTHER shake up at the big L?!? I guess I have missed something. Haven't been spending as much time on this board lately, has this latest fracas been posted about here? >It is really a shame that Todd Wagner that put so much time and >effort into the Mike will not be around to get any of the kudos. It >is possible that the new people will see the light, but it was Todd >who fanned the embers. Are Kughn and Young involved in this? Who's responsible for this outrage? >I wonder why "American Flyer" is not imprinted on this item except >on the box and instruction manual? It is strange that Lionel would leave their one bona-fide S gauge credential OFF of the product. This all strikes me as very strange, the stuff of conspiracy theories. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34019	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

Doug Peck wrote: >Unfortunately (read that VERY unfortunately), the folks responsible >for the Mikado and the AF resurgence at Lionel are no longer "the >current crop". Sheesh. Just when I start to get my hopes up for AF, the light fizzles. I had assumed that the apparent awakening at Lionel started at the top. So it actually occurred at the middle? And has been ejected? Has any reason for the sacking been given? Where did you guys hear about this? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34020	From: james carnes	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track

No - It is 7". It is a trolley line within my Christmas city. I use a Putt trolley which can handle the tight turns. Jim C Boynton Beach, FL _____ From: JNR59@... [mailto:JNR59@...] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:48 AM To: jtctrain@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: S Helper Flexible Track Did you mean a 27" radius? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34021	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper Flexible Track

Dear Jack, When our flex track first came out Paul Yorke took one section and made a 12" in diameter circle to run his S gauge birney trolley. Don jnr59@... wrote: >Did you mean a 27" radius? > >Jack Riely > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34022	From: Phil K	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Train wreck with the Mikado

So now, unfortunately, we know the new Mikado will not survive the "bounce test." How high is your layout? I'm sure some of the fine metal details were damaged -- but how did the complex electronics come through the poodle test? Just wondering -- I must have dropped my cell phone in parking lots at least a half dozen times and the doggone thing still works fine. I also wonder if CTT has a resident poodle to assist in doing new locomotive reviews. ;-) Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Sue & George" <psyborg_gb@y...> wrote: > > > I am just sick about this morning, our new engine fell off the table > and got injured. > My standard poodle jumped off the couch near the train, dragged a > blanket along with her color and the blanket flipped out over the > engine and brought the Mik crashing down. > We took it to the dealer today and now will not have it for a while. > Opps, train wreck. > From now on when we are not useing it we will set it on another table. > We have a large round living room table where we set up a 3 track > display with buildings and things in the center. > Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34023	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

Dear Chuck, We do several shows a year where we run into our fellow "S" mfgs. We see each other at times when the shows are closed (eg. airports, hotels, restaurants, etc.). When things are slow or the shows are closed, we talk. I think this is common in all industries. This is how I met Todd. Don jayhoo64 wrote: >Where did you guys hear about this? > > >Chuck F. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34024	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@a... wrote: Supposed to be "Classic" smoke and choo-choo. If it sells well, LIONEL will surely NEVER produce it again. Supposedly they stated 6 months ago that they would produce NO more Mikados in any road names whatsoever. Marketing geniuses they are. Jim Lyle ___________ Lionel has an O gauge empire to protect. In past years I have heard that Lionel would not make any more S, even before American Models and S-Helper Service got under way. It was also explained by dealers that S gauge is a competitor of O gauge, so why would Lionel build up S gauge to compete with themselves. The bottom line is that they would rather concentrate on O gauge, which is more marketable because the O gauge market is bigger. There is also the perception that O gauge is better than S, because bigger is better. In the past, it was thought that by not making S, it would force the S gaugers to move on up to O gauge because they would be forced to. The Mikado could end up being the first and last new locomotive by Lionel for American Flyer. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34025	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Continued "train wreck" story of the Mikado

The Mikado does not fair well when dropped, it is very fragle. From now on we are going to pick it up off the track after each use. The engine is at the doctor's being fixed. The front lights, those little head lights got bent up and the welds broke and the bell has a weld broken. We will probably need a new front end which I'm sure will be expensive. The Poodle is fine, she did not even know anything happened, except I yelled out OMG, I just broke the Mikado, and George was still sleeping. I have a high jumping standard poodle who is very strong and large.She does agility and will be in her first agility show on Feb. 12th. I never get upset with her, she is just too wonderful and has no concept of fragle. Thanks for the nice comments and thoughts to all. I am sad I cannot run the train each day now. I have to get out the "283" and run it or the 21918/21918-1 and run those. We have a unique setup. We took our living room table which is round and set up 3 round tracks so we can watch the train and the TV at the same time. Looks kind of cute. Buildings in the center and plants and lights and all.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34026	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Continued "train wreck" story of the Mikado

***(((We took our living room table which is round and set up 3 round tracks so we can watch the train and the TV at the same time. Looks kind of cute. Buildings in the center and plants and lights and all.)))*** Still waiting for photos!!!!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34027	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization

Here's the link to info about my layout. http://www.rkuepper.com/trains/nycs1.html Bob - Can you possibly post a track plan? I like to get ideas (read "steal") form others. I can figure most of yours out from the pix, but some areas are hard to figure out. Great layout, and excellent presentation! Dick Aurora, OH At 12:08 AM 1/17/2005, Robert Graves wrote: >Good idea! > > >The Upstairs Train is an all American Flyer S-Guage model railroad on a >10' X 11' table in our upstairs "bonus room" - thus its name. I hope you >enjoy seeing it as much as I've enjoyed building >it. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain > > > >The layout has places for up to 14 trains on the tracks at once, with up >to four moving independently at once, plus short sidings for a hand car >and spare engine. (Actually, there is room for 17 trains on the tracks at >once, but that results in gridlock and no train can go very far.) > > > >The Upstairs Train doesn't simply go around in circles. There are seven >intersecting loop routes on two levels, passing over, under, and around >one another, for a total of 127 feet of track. There are four bridges, >three tunnels, and trestle slopes up and down between the levels. > > > >At this time, the collection comprises seventeen trains (some still >incomplete) and a handcar, so at any given time, there are a couple of >trains off track. There are twenty one engines, forty seven passenger >cars, twenty seven freight cars, and a handcar. There are eight steam >engines, three GP diesel engines, a Baldwin diesel, four dual Alco diesels >(powered unit plus dummy), and a single unit Alco diesel. There are three >old-style passenger cars from the 1800s in the Frontiersman set, seven New >Haven style cars in two trains, nine Pullman Heavyweights in two trains, >and twenty eight streamliners in six trains. That makes up eleven >passenger trains and six freights. In addition, a set of C&O Alco engines >and four streamliners (a chestnut 963, an unstriped 963, and chrome 962 & >963) are the beginnings of four more trains! Overall, it provides a >pretty representative sampling of the trains made by American Flyer over >the years. Most are from the 1950s, but some are from the > 1940s, 1960s, and 1990s. > > > >There are three roads with five grade crossings controlled by flashing >warning lights, a bunch of automobiles and trucks, twenty one buildings >including eight towers, and six operating accessories. > > >THOMAS E HILLERY <G-WOLFGANG5@...> wrote: > > > >Maybe each member can write a short description of his layout...eg. >size;type of track, temp or perm, number /type switches, number/types >locos, interesting features etc. Lots of us never have time to do the >chatroom and would like to see what people are doing. >I'm using AF track for my yard area and SHS-track for the rest of the >layout, the AF track on roadbed matches the S-trak height. I even built a >reverse loop with a 695 and S Trak switch. I build temp layouts on a >12X8 burlap rug backing piece. AF 15 steamers, 12 diesels; AM K4 and 6 >diesels, 4 SHS diesels; 3 SHS switches 11 AF switches; have built a 16 >"Railgun using 4 depressed center cars and will pull it with a SHS 2-8-0 >hopefully >-Tom Hillery > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34028	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)

Hi all: Just wondering if anyone has any evidence (rather than opinion, supposition, "supposedly", etc.) to back up the comments of this doom/gloom e-mail. It does seem as though the lionel production of S is increasing somewhat rather than following the absolutely negative comments here. In addition, the products are improving, especially when one compares the Mikado to the PA's produced in the 1980's (I have just been looking at my B&O non-operating PA produced in 1981). It looks ok, but does not operate well (if at all). regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) robbyking13 wrote: > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@a... wrote: >Supposed to be "Classic" smoke and choo-choo. If it sells well, >LIONEL will surely NEVER produce it again. Supposedly they stated 6 >months ago that they would produce NO more Mikados in any road names >whatsoever. Marketing geniuses they are. > Jim Lyle >___________ >Lionel has an O gauge empire to protect. >In past years I have heard that Lionel >would not make any more S, even before >American Models and S-Helper Service got >under way. It was also explained by >dealers that S gauge is a competitor of >O gauge, so why would Lionel build up S >gauge to compete with themselves. The >bottom line is that they would rather >concentrate on O gauge, which is more >marketable because the O gauge market >is bigger. There is also the perception >that O gauge is better than S, because >bigger is better. In the past, it was >thought that by not making S, it would >force the S gaugers to move on up to O >gauge because they would be forced to. >The Mikado could end up being the first >and last new locomotive by Lionel for >American Flyer. > >Robby > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34029	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

Hmmmm, when a door closes sometimes a window opens up, maybe the pepole that were sacked could be picked up by AM or SHS or maybe start their own line. --- jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > > > > Doug Peck wrote: > > >Unfortunately (read that VERY unfortunately), the > folks responsible > >for the Mikado and the AF resurgence at Lionel are > no longer "the > >current crop". > > Sheesh. Just when I start to get my hopes up for AF, > the light > fizzles. I had assumed that the apparent awakening > at Lionel started > at the top. So it actually occurred at the middle? > And has been > ejected? Has any reason for the sacking been given? > Where did you guys > hear about this? > > > Chuck F. > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34030	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

Dear Bruce, Like we could afford a real project manager.......LOL Don bruce weidner wrote: >Hmmmm, when a door closes sometimes a window opens up, >maybe the pepole that were sacked could be picked up >by AM or SHS or maybe start their own line. > > > > > >--- jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > > > >> >>Doug Peck wrote: >> >> >> >>>Unfortunately (read that VERY unfortunately), the >>> >>> >>folks responsible >> >> >>>for the Mikado and the AF resurgence at Lionel are >>> >>> >>no longer "the >> >> >>>current crop". >>> >>> >>Sheesh. Just when I start to get my hopes up for AF, >>the light >>fizzles. I had assumed that the apparent awakening >>at Lionel started >>at the top. So it actually occurred at the middle? >>And has been >>ejected? Has any reason for the sacking been given? >>Where did you guys >>hear about this? >> >> >>Chuck F. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: >>http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >>too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34031	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

bruce weidner wrote: >Hmmmm, when a door closes sometimes a window opens up, >maybe the pepole that were sacked could be picked up >by AM or SHS or maybe start their own line. > > > > One thing for sure, if you think you want a Mikado, the time to hunt one down is now before the few remaining ones are gone. This is a wonderful engine, I like everything about it except it's coupler. Certainly with S-helper coming out with a steam engine, and with offerings from Putt hopefully becoming commonly available at some point, we are in the best shape we have been in for a long time. IMHO Also with K-line and even and possibly MTH producing a steam engine, the future is bright. It would be a shame if there are no more Mikados made. I don't want this engine to become so valuable that it shouldn't be run. This engine is made for running. Incidently, I just went through my first 9 volt battery. Installing those batteries is a minor hassle...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34032	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Layout visualization

Dick - Your layout is fabulous! You're a much more skilled craftsman than I am. I love the model railroad in the park - that's ingenious. Several people have asked about a track layout, but I don't have a good drawing tool to prepare it with, and I don't want to go out and buy some software that I'll only use once for a layout that's already finished - I'd rather spend the money on trains! I'll have to do it brute force in Paint or try to bring across something done in my Macintosh drawing program somehow. I do plan to do it when I come up with a good method. Any suggestions? Dick Kuepper <rkuepper@...> wrote: Here's the link to info about my layout. http://www.rkuepper.com/trains/nycs1.html Bob - Can you possibly post a track plan? I like to get ideas (read "steal") form others. I can figure most of yours out from the pix, but some areas are hard to figure out. Great layout, and excellent presentation! Dick Aurora, OH At 12:08 AM 1/17/2005, Robert Graves wrote: Good idea! The Upstairs Train is an all American Flyer S-Guage model railroad on a 10' X 11' table in our upstairs "bonus room" - thus its name. I hope you enjoy seeing it as much as I've enjoyed building it. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain The layout has places for up to 14 trains on the tracks at once, with up to four moving independently at once, plus short sidings for a hand car and spare engine. (Actually, there is room for 17 trains on the tracks at once, but that results in gridlock and no train can go very far.) The Upstairs Train doesn't simply go around in circles. There are seven intersecting loop routes on two levels, passing over, under, and around one another, for a total of 127 feet of track. There are four bridges, three tunnels, and trestle slopes up and down between the levels. At this time, the collection comprises seventeen trains (some still incomplete) and a handcar, so at any given time, there are a couple of trains off track. There are twenty one engines, forty seven passenger cars, twenty seven freight cars, and a handcar. There are eight steam engines, three GP diesel engines, a Baldwin diesel, four dual Alco diesels (powered unit plus dummy), and a single unit Alco diesel. There are three old-style passenger cars from the 1800s in the Frontiersman set, seven New Haven style cars in two trains, nine Pullman Heavyweights in two trains, and twenty eight streamliners in six trains. That makes up eleven passenger trains and six freights. In addition, a set of C&O Alco engines and four streamliners (a chestnut 963, an unstriped 963, and chrome 962 & 963) are the beginnings of four more trains! Overall, it provides a pretty representative sampling of the trains made by American Flyer over the years. Most are from the 1950s, but some are from the 1940s, 1960s, and 1990s. There are three roads with five grade crossings controlled by flashing warning lights, a bunch of automobiles and trucks, twenty one buildings including eight towers, and six operating accessories. THOMAS E HILLERY <G-WOLFGANG5@...> wrote: Maybe each member can write a short description of his layout...eg. size;type of track, temp or perm, number /type switches, number/types locos, interesting features etc. Lots of us never have time to do the chatroom and would like to see what people are doing. I'm using AF track for my yard area and SHS-track for the rest of the layout, the AF track on roadbed matches the S-trak height. I even built a reverse loop with a 695 and S Trak switch. I build temp layouts on a 12X8 burlap rug backing piece. AF 15 steamers, 12 diesels; AM K4 and 6 diesels, 4 SHS diesels; 3 SHS switches 11 AF switches; have built a 16 "Railgun using 4 depressed center cars and will pull it with a SHS 2-8-0 hopefully -Tom Hillery S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34033	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Mikado Price

What is/was the retail price of the Mikado alone & in the set? Thank You, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34034	From: dphobbies	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Union Pacific 53' Evans double plug door Boxcar

This is a blatant commercial to let anyone interested that we have received the S Scale America Union Pacific 53' double plug door cars from our assembler in China. It is finished in yellow and silver and the red/white/blue shield to the right of the door. They come equipped with American Flyer compatible trucks and couplers. Also included in the box are scale wheels and extended draft gear for Kadee 802 users. The cars are available in four (4) road numbers. The price is $44.98 each. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax 1-847-297-4976 M-F 10:00 - 8:00pm Sat 9:30 - 5:00pm Sun 11:00 - 5:00pm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34035	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Our Train in the Living Room is now on this website, see Photo's

Ok I just figured out the photo thingy and posted a picture. Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34036	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Price

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: What is/was the retail price of the Mikado alone & in the set? Thank You, Mike ______________________ The NYC Mikado is $599. The B&O Mikado set is 799. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34037	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: I wonder why "American Flyer" is not imprinted

American Flyer died with A. C. Gilbert, just as Lionel died with J. L. Cowan. Now just consumer products made by consumer product company for the consumer's money. Obviously not much connection to the hobby itself, other than "Lip Service". The true innovators are the people who are hands on, the Don's, the Mike's, the Bill's, the Ron's, the Nick's, the Maury's and many other people I fail to mention with no malice intended. The "Industry Leader" is nothing more than a shell, bean counters if you will, releasing mostly re-hashed 50+ yr old product. Look for the "Docksider" to be short run also. The imprint should probably read "Korean Brass" or whoever the actual manufacturer is. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34038	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Did the dog live?

Roy, Knowing this avid group.... It's probably in doggy heaven.... :) -----Original Message----- From: Roy Hoffman [mailto:rhoffman@...] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 7:00 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train wreck with the Mikado You didn't tell us what happened to the poodle? Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34039	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?

S-gaugers, Does any 1 of you folks have stock in Lionel and receive a stock holders quarterly earnings report or annual report? Or maybe its all privately held by new investors? Does Well Spring Associates still own Lionel? What happened to Neal Diamond's involvement? You think that CTT or another trade rag would have information - or maybe I just missed it... Just wondering... "It's a 3-rail world, after all..." Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34040	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/17/2005
Subject: OK, OK My new friend Bob wants me to tell you guys about the Chma C

My husband George has as of today finished for our train set the famous building called the: Chama Coal Tipple, which I believe is in New Mexico. From scratch, every piece of wood, every bracket, every part, hand tooled and carved, even the little buckets work. The description says: Tall timbers make the majestic Coal Tipple in the Chama yard one of the highest on the railroad. The delicate weaving of massive wooden columns is a great reminder of the railroad. I have always known my husband is creative but this takes the cake. Go to the website and our building looks exactly like the pictures. Unbelievable and perfect. George bought some little windows and actually put glass panes in them. In addition he made a lamp for the outside and inside of the building, it lights up. So you guys who like your train setups to look like the real thing, we have a working coal dumping building and it is so very cool, eat your hearts out. George presented it to me today. I will get a picture of it for you all to see.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34041	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Layout visualization

Hello all, As I advised the list a little while ago, some pictures featuring our layout are available at http://s-scale.org/albums/albup36 I have been between permanent layouts at home for about 20 years, but I have been able to run some of my collection of American Flyer trains on a portable layout I share with my friend Don Curtis. The track plan is a simple meandering loop through the town and surrounding farmland near Salem, Oregon. Our layout is displayed in the Oregon State Capitol Rotunda 3 to 4 weeks each December. It is not so much a temporary layout as what I call a portable sectional layout consisting of two 4'X8' sheets of plywood in an "L" shape touching at an inside corner with a pie shaped piece to close the gap and an angle piece on the inside corner to hold the Queen Anne style mansion (a full scale replica of an existing 1895 home in Salem). One of the pieces of plywood has wheels on the bottom, the two side pieces stack on the wheeled base to form a box, the two odd shaped pieces, control panel and legs (for shows where we want the layout to sit up higher) go inside on racks, and the other sheet of plywood display, goes upside down on top to form a 4'X8'X4' closed rectangular box on wheels that one person can roll anywhere on a flat surface. It takes two of us to roll it up the ramp into Don's Haulmark contractor's trailer. After displaying it at the Capitol for a couple of years, we took it to a train show in Portland and won first prize. We then started getting requests to display it at other shows and conventions including the National Model Railroad Convention in 1987 in Eugene, Oregon and a National Association of S Gaugers convention in Vancouver, Washington. We try to hit one or two shows a year in addition to the Capitol showing. The original snow was baking soda, but as it yellowed over time we came back with a product by Builders in Scale called Marble Dust. It is inert and looks very nice. We also painted the roofs white before adding snow. The remaining yellowing and aging actual looks quite natural out here in the Willamette Valley of Oregon where snow generally is not deep and drifting, but is just a few inches at a time getting dirty and melting fairly quickly. I think the key to the realism is the fact that when we first built the layout, we did not make it a snow scene, so it was sceniced with the usual products to be grass, dirt and straw fields, dirt and gravel roads, trees and shrubs, etc. When we decided to make it be a snow scene, we in effect snowed onto these sceniced elements covering the ground, roads, etc in a realistic manner. The icicles were formed using drips of clear silicon sealer. The track is actually some old American Flyer sectional track that I had that we cleaned up and installed. Then scale sized ties were made to put in between the AF metal ties, then ballast was added. If you saw the ties without the ballast you would see that they are taller that they are wide in order to come up to the bottom of the sectional rail. That old AF T-rail was pretty realistic. If I ever enter the digital camera age, I will try to put up some additional pictures. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34042	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?

>>Does Well Spring Associates still own Lionel? >>What happened to Neal Diamond's involvement?<< For the record, Neil Diamond made his career writing terrific songs and was still successful selling records despite lack of a voice. It was model train nut Neal Young, of the fabled Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, who invested in Lionel and came up with the RailSounds concept. Which morphed into the wonderful noises that eminate from the Mikado. He still owns part of the company, as far as I know. Phil K **************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > > S-gaugers, > > Does any 1 of you folks have stock in Lionel and receive a stock holders > quarterly earnings report or annual report? Or maybe its all privately > held by new investors? Does Well Spring Associates still own Lionel? > > What happened to Neal Diamond's involvement? > > You think that CTT or another trade rag would have information - or > maybe I just missed it... > > Just wondering... > > "It's a 3-rail world, after all..." > > Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34043	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Chicagoland S Gaugers meeting this Friday

S gaugers -- all levels of experience and interest -- are invited to attend the January meeting of the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers this Friday evening, January 21 (7 pm gabfest/swap meet, 8 pm meeting) at St. Paul's Lutheran School, 1100 West Lake Street in Melrose Park, Ill. New members are enthusiastically welcomed. Club is in 36th year and has over 60 members. CASG website: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/ Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34044	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)

Lionel has probably not noticed, but their O gauge "empire" is rapidly shrinking. Most every other player in the "O" gauge market is making better products at less cost without "appropriating" from others. Even the toughest old heads around these parts (Central/Eastern PA) admit Lionel got caught in the act. The days have long passed when Lionel and American Flyer were competitors, how can they compete with themselves except in their minds. With market share eroding, would think they would exploit every market they have. Die hard A/F buyers seldom buy anything else, even tho the quality is far superior in the rest of the S gauge market place. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34045	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Train store in NYC George Leblanc's place

George LeBlanc has a store on Staten Island. While he sells lots of other scale trains he specializes in S scale. He has converted a 2 car garage into a train store. He is a dealer for American and S helper, but also has lots of original Flyer. George has a web page on which he advertises his train repair work. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34046	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: George LeBlanc trains

FYI... Here is a link to George LeBlanc trains http://www.3widespicturevault.com/leblanc_main_1.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34047	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?

Dear Scott, Lionel is privately owned, so the stock is not openly traded. Don Scott Davidson wrote: >S-gaugers, > >Does any 1 of you folks have stock in Lionel and receive a stock holders >quarterly earnings report or annual report? Or maybe its all privately >held by new investors? Does Well Spring Associates still own Lionel? > >What happened to Neal Diamond's involvement? > >You think that CTT or another trade rag would have information - or >maybe I just missed it... > >Just wondering... > >"It's a 3-rail world, after all..." > >Scott Dee > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34048	From: John Gibson	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: design software

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Burger" <Cbtrainnut1@a...> wrote: > > > Searched the archive and nothing popped up for layout design software > or programs. Looked for links all over and no luck. Will someone > please stear me in the right direction. Thanks, CB =================================================================== Chris: Here is a place to start. http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y2CC5234A Hope this helps, John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34049	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first?

What happen to Neal Diamond? He never had anything to do with Lionel. Neil Young is the train guy. Rust Never Sleeps, (1979) Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Thompson" <don@...> To: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> Cc: "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Whose on first? > > > Dear Scott, > Lionel is privately owned, so the stock is not openly traded. > Don > > Scott Davidson wrote: > > >S-gaugers, > > > >Does any 1 of you folks have stock in Lionel and receive a stock holders > >quarterly earnings report or annual report? Or maybe its all privately > >held by new investors? Does Well Spring Associates still own Lionel? > > > >What happened to Neal Diamond's involvement? > > > >You think that CTT or another trade rag would have information - or > >maybe I just missed it... > > > >Just wondering... > > > >"It's a 3-rail world, after all..." > > > >Scott Dee > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos > >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34050	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: choochooauctions.com

choochooauctions.com is a new auction place just for trains. There are currently 123 American Flyer items listed, and some of them look rare and/or unique. Robby King

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34051	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Rail related software

Here is a link to my list of railroad software. http://tinyurl.com/3vrws [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34052	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Lionel Personnel Confusion

There appears to be some confusion on this list about the Lionel personnel changes. These are not recent events, but were made following the judgment against Lionel, which was prior to the October 2004 York meet. Todd Wagner was there, but no longer representing Lionel. I would hope that Don might have a place for him, but also know that is unlikely. Perhaps he can catch on with K-Line or MTH and further their S gauge offerings. As someone indicated, the next catalog may not be reflective of Lionel's outlook towards the future of the American Flyer line as those products were already in the pipeline when Todd and the others were let go. It is not guaranteed that American Flyer is dead or dying at Lionel, but it certainly is presently without its champions who "revived" the line. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34053	From: Phil K	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: More on Neil Young and The Mikado

A bit more interesting trivia 'cause I like to know this stuff: Rock star Neil Young not only helped pioneer RailSounds at Lionel, he also was part of TMCC -- a system his and Dick Kughn's Liontech company designed so Young's handicapped son could enjoy model trains. From a 2001 Calgary Sun newspaper story about the history of Lionel: "...along came real estate developer — and Lionel-lover — Richard Kughn, who bought the company from General Mills. In 1992, Kughn got some help from an unlikely source. Rock star Neil Young, a model train buff, brought money and modernization to Lionel Trains Inc. According to Lionel officials, Young pioneered the addition of digitally remastered stereo sounds of chugga-chugs, whistles and even conductor announcements. Young also helped with the creation of all-purpose remote controls for the electric-powered trains. The goal of the company is to make models that are as realistic as possible — absolutely to scale and with dozens of moving parts, said Lionel researcher Todd Wagner..." And from the Lionel website: "Building the Future A reinvigorated Lionel started off the 1990s with the reissue of the legendary No. 700E locomotive. In 1992 Richard Kughn and rock musician Neil Young, an avid model railroader, created Liontech, chartered to develop exclusive new model train control and sound systems. Liontech's RailSounds II™ debuted in 1994 on the Santa Fe Mikado. This all-new digital system captured a real-life Mikado's actual sounds, and propelled Lionel to the forefront of model train technology. Also debuting in 1994 was the TrainMaster® control system, which can command any locomotive via a wireless remote." And now ten years later S finally has its own 2-8-2 and remote control. So there ya go. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34054	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AM PRR K4 operation

What you describe has never happened with the several AM locos I have, including the K4 and the USRA pacifics. They all run fine out of the box and after lots of running. Call Ron and I'm sure he'll take care of you. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rollain Mercier" <raleigh@...> To: <kbt1@...>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AM PRR K4 operation > > and he notes - > > Have you tried contacting Ron Bashista at AM? It may be a simple problem > that can be corrected or he may replace the unit if it's defective. > > Raleigh > > > > At 03:14 PM 1/18/2005, kbt1@... wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > >Last year I took advantage of the special run by American Models on their PRR > >streamline K4. I finally have some track to run the thing and have found > >that, > >at least for me, it runs like crap. It has about a 50% chance of starting > >from a > >dead stop. Once it starts going it is often jerky and has no slow speed > >performance. The poor slow speed performance may be because it is new and > >needs to "break-in". Is this common to this model? I realize I've been > >spoiled > >by my SHS SW-1s but this is really bad. (to give AM credit, my GG1s operate > >very well.) > > > >One thing I looked at was the tender wheels. They were fairly dirty (which is > >odd for a new out-of-the-box model) and cleaning them up helped a little. > >What I am thinking is that AM uses that "gritty" grey metal for the wheels > >and > >that may be the problem. NWSL sells steel replacement wheels for the tender. > >I am sure they will look better, is there hope that they will operate better? > > > >Regards, > >kbt > > > > > > > >The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to > >reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail > >software, but it works on some of the most common ones. > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, > >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34055	From: larryasp	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Boiler Front - 342AC

I just obtained a very nice 342AC - works great - but the boiler front wont stay tight, causing light from the headlight to shine out around the top of the rim. This front does not have clips, but rather has small wedges on the edge of the front piece. What is the best way or some tried and trued ways of keeping the front piece in place without risking damage to the piece etc. ? Im also watching with interest the groups comments on the Flyonel Mikado - I was fortunate to get one from a local dealer who only had 2 - he wishes he had 20. Nice piece, but doenst have the "nostalgia appeal" that the old Flyer stuff has. I dont have a command module. Mine worked fine out of the box, but after an hour began to slow down. Im wondering if the electronics in it has some kind of regulation to speed because once the throttle is about 2/3 open on the AF transformer - it doestn want to accelerate any further when its opened further. The sound activation button doesnt always turn on the bell etc. when pushed, but does slow the engine whenever activated - has anyone else found similar happenings? Im using an Flyer 16B transformer. Havnt cheked out the command module system yet - what are they worth these days? Thanks in advance to the group. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34056	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)

Hasn't Lionel already backed out of the HO market??? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34057	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Boiler Front - 342AC

Try putting a small bead of black silicone around the boiler front and hold in place till it dries.If you have to take it off it will pull right off.I did this on mine and it worked fine. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Boiler Front - 342AC > > > I just obtained a very nice 342AC - works great - but the boiler front wont stay tight, causing light from the headlight to shine out around the top of the rim. This front does not have clips, but rather has small wedges on the edge of the front piece. What is the best way or some tried and trued ways of keeping the front piece in place without risking damage to the piece etc. ? > > Im also watching with interest the groups comments on the Flyonel Mikado - I was fortunate to get one from a local dealer who only had 2 - he wishes he had 20. Nice piece, but doenst have the "nostalgia appeal" that the old Flyer stuff has. I dont have a command module. Mine worked fine out of the box, but after an hour began to slow down. Im wondering if the electronics in it has some kind of regulation to speed because once the throttle is about 2/3 open on the AF transformer - it doestn want to accelerate any further when its opened further. The sound activation button doesnt always turn on the bell etc. when pushed, but does slow the engine whenever activated - has anyone else found similar happenings? Im using an Flyer 16B transformer. Havnt cheked out the command module system yet - what are they worth these days? > > Thanks in advance to the group. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34058	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: limited production runs

There's been talk that Lionel may only do one run of the Mike and/or Docksider.I don't know a whole lot about diemaking,but I have heard that dies and molds can be made in different grades of material and process.In other words the more you spend on metal and process(heat treat or whatever),the more parts you can run before the tooling deteriorates. Anyone have any input on this? Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34059	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, velapoldi <velapoldi@n...> wrote: > > Hi all: > Just wondering if anyone has any evidence (rather than opinion, > supposition, "supposedly", etc.) to back up the comments of this > doom/gloom e-mail. It does seem as though the lionel production of S is > increasing somewhat rather than following the absolutely negative > comments here. In addition, the products are improving, especially when > one compares the Mikado to the PA's produced in the 1980's (I have just > been looking at my B&O non-operating PA produced in 1981). It looks > ok, but does not operate well (if at all). > regards, > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > robbyking13 wrote: > >___________ > >Lionel has an O gauge empire to protect. > >In past years I have heard that Lionel > >would not make any more S, even before > >American Models and S-Helper Service got > >under way. It was also explained by > >dealers that S gauge is a competitor of > >O gauge, so why would Lionel build up S > >gauge to compete with themselves. The > >bottom line is that they would rather > >concentrate on O gauge, which is more > >marketable because the O gauge market > >is bigger. There is also the perception > >that O gauge is better than S, because > >bigger is better. In the past, it was > >thought that by not making S, it would > >force the S gaugers to move on up to O > >gauge because they would be forced to. > >The Mikado could end up being the first > >and last new locomotive by Lionel for > >American Flyer. > > > >Robby > > I disagree with this view that Lionel sees American Flyer S as competing with themselves. They have more competition in O gauge than you can shake a stick at. You name a prototype, and it has probably been done in O by MTH, Williams, Weaver, Lionel, K-Line, Atlas, Sunset, or one of the other players. There's so much product available that the O gauge market is saturated. When businesses see the growth in their primary business begin to taper off, they look for other opportunities to grow revenue. As long as they see a reasonable opportunity in S, they will continue to try to grow it. And with the rights to the American Flyer name, Lionel is in a great position to stake a strong claim to the S gauge market. If Lionel wasn't interested in trying to grow S, they never would have gone to the expense of tooling the Mikado or introducing so many accessories. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34060	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: limited production runs

If a mold is made from tool steel it will last almost for ever. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <jjmemmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] limited production runs > > > There's been talk that Lionel may only do one run of the Mike > and/or Docksider.I don't know a whole lot about diemaking,but I have heard that > dies and molds can be made in different grades of material and process.In other > words the more you spend on metal and process(heat treat or whatever),the more > parts you can run before the tooling deteriorates. Anyone have any input on > this? > Jerry > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34061	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: layout ideas needed update

Have not got around to actual measurements of basement yet but found a good plan to base my layout on. It is a 12x16 I found on http://www.thortrains.com/flyrlay.htm it is the 3rd layout in the 2nd group 4 layouts. I will stretch it to fit space available.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34062	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: limited production runs

On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, at 09:46 PM, jjmemmer@... wrote: > > > There's been talk that Lionel may only do one run of the Mike > and/or Docksider.I don't know a whole lot about diemaking,but I have > heard that > dies and molds can be made in different grades of material and > process.In other > words the more you spend on metal and process(heat treat or > whatever),the more > parts you can run before the tooling deteriorates. Anyone have any > input on > this? > Jerry Molds in 7075 Aluminum or naval brass will give you about 100,000 parts. Steel molds from S7 or H16 will give you a million parts. Molds made from resin will give you maybe 500/1000 parts. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34063	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Boiler Front - 342AC

Im also watching with interest the groups comments on the Flyonel Mikado - I was fortunate to get one from a local dealer who only had 2 - he wishes he had 20. Nice piece, but doenst have the "nostalgia appeal" that the old Flyer stuff has. I dont have a command module. Mine worked fine out of the box, but after an hour began to slow down. [Bill Lange] I had the same problem, follow the maintenance instructions for lubricating and it should solve the problem. The sound activation button doesnt always turn on the bell etc. when pushed, but does slow the engine whenever activated - has anyone else found similar happenings? Im using an Flyer 16B transformer. [Bill Lange] I had similar performance and now am a happy TMCC user! Havnt cheked out the command module system yet - what are they worth these days? [Bill Lange] I got lucky and found a shop with an older set with the CAB-1 and the Command Base for $99 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34064	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Whose on first? - very confused and dazed

Bruce, Thanx... Of Course... its Young - what were my fingers thinking? See how confused I am :) -----Original Message----- From: bruce weidner [mailto:weidner@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:34 AM To: Scott Davidson Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Whose on first? It is Neil Young. A world of difference music ways. --- Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> wrote: > > > S-gaugers, > > Does any 1 of you folks have stock in Lionel and > receive a stock holders > quarterly earnings report or annual report? Or > maybe its all privately > held by new investors? Does Well Spring Associates > still own Lionel? > > What happened to Neal Diamond's involvement? > > You think that CTT or another trade rag would have > information - or > maybe I just missed it... > > Just wondering... > > "It's a 3-rail world, after all..." > > Scott Dee > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34065	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: George's Chama Coal Tipple

Sue, Sounds great, but did he also build a miniature twin flywheel diesel engine in the bottom room to run the tipple buckets???? :-) And then, you're going to have to squeeze your rails together too, as the tracks in Chama are narrow gauge!!! BTW, a wonderful place to visit if you ever get the chance! Can't wait to see the pics! Congrats! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34066	From: Bill Lange	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Mikado - TMCC - WOW!!!

Add my name to the list of satisfied TMCC converts! I can't say enough nice things about how my Mike works with TMCC. I'll be tackling my first TMCC conversion project soon. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34067	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/18/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: I disagree with this view that Lionel sees American Flyer S as competing with themselves. They have more competition in O gauge than you can shake a stick at. You name a prototype, and it has probably been done in O by MTH, Williams, Weaver, Lionel, K-Line, Atlas, Sunset, or one of the other players. There's so much product available that the O gauge market is saturated. When businesses see the growth in their primary business begin to taper off, they look for other opportunities to grow revenue. As long as they see a reasonable opportunity in S, they will continue to try to grow it. And with the rights to the American Flyer name, Lionel is in a great position to stake a strong claim to the S gauge market. If Lionel wasn't interested in trying to grow S, they never would have gone to the expense of tooling the Mikado or introducing so many accessories. Scott _____ ROBBY: The Mikado was the exception to the rule, the rule which was to never make any totally new locomotives for S. Lionel had most of the S gauge market in the mid 80's and Lionel refused to make a steam locomotive, they even refused to do a reissue of an AF steamer. Lionel said their hands were tied. Who was tying their hands? Didn't Lionel miss a big opportunity back in the 80's? Lionel's philosophy did change recently, but some of the very people responsible for that change are gone. Also, Lionel did not make all of the accessories that were announced. The 771 Stockyard and the 785 Seaboard Coal Loader were cancelled. What got Lionel going on the accessories was MTH reproducing AF accessories. The position of Lionel in S has changed because they have to compete with AM, SHS, and K-Line. New people entering the hobby will not care about brand names. New people will be looking for quality and value. I agree that the day of the Lionel toy train monopoly is over. I also disagree with the O gauge philosophy that one size fits all, O of course. Lionel's latest campaign is that they are still #1 in O gauge, but there was no mention of American Flyer (S).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34068	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Mikado

Hi, I was at Frank "The Trainman" in San Diego last week and they had a Mikado for sale which they were nice enough to show me and it was absoluely beautiful. If anyone is interested they may still have it and their phone number is 619-295-1611. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34069	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: New FREE Microsoft Spyware software

If you are running Windows on a PC, Microsoft is making FREE downloads available of its new Anti-Spyware Beta 1 software at: http://www.microsoft.com I loaded it and ran it on my home and office PCs and my laptop -- and was shocked at what AdAware and AOL spy-detection software missed. On each computer, there were at least three groups of dangerous program files that it detected and I was able to remove. These programs automatically and silently invade your PC from the Internet. They can do anything from slowing down your PC to secretly recording all of your keystrokes, identifying and sending your passwords and/or credit card numbers, bank account numbers, etc., to criminal elements. Computer experts are giving it very high marks, and it's easy to use -- even for the computer-challenged. It has pop-up boxes explaining everything as you go along. Here's one review with greater details, written by a guy I trust: http://www.suntimes.com/output/worktech/cst-fin-andy18.html Better safe then sorry, eh? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34070	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Lionel S gauge-the future

Y'all...I'm not sure we can predict with any certainty what's coming up at Lionel. The bankruptcy wasn't caused by lack of business, it as the lawsuit. However, the lawsuit caused some of the pro-Flyer folks to be gone at Lionel. So, while S sales are strong, it's backers within the company are gone. Then you have the question of what are the dies made of for the Mikado and Docksider. If they're good steel, then there's a good chance we'll see them again. But if Lionel was tentative about the S market buying a whole new engine, perhaps the dies are aluminium and are about worn out already. Then you have the question of new management at big L. What are they going to do? What about the appeal to the lawsuit, how will it go? Already some items in the catalog have been dropped, so is the product planning for the future actually as secure as we suspect? Trying to predict the future of S gauge at Lionel seems like trying to walk through a minefield without a map! Stumpy Stone...with two Docksiders on order in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34071	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: limited production runs

So what kind of molds do you think were used for the Mikado. Which brings up the point, since most of the stuff we get is made in China anyway, what kind of dies on average do Lionel, MTH and the HO crowd use and I wonder what their production runs are on average. Regads, Joe H -----Original Message----- From: ljack70117@... [mailto:ljack70117@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:38 PM To: jjmemmer@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] limited production runs On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, at 09:46 PM, jjmemmer@... wrote: > > > There's been talk that Lionel may only do one run of the Mike > and/or Docksider.I don't know a whole lot about diemaking,but I have > heard that > dies and molds can be made in different grades of material and > process.In other > words the more you spend on metal and process(heat treat or > whatever),the more > parts you can run before the tooling deteriorates. Anyone have any > input on > this? > Jerry Molds in 7075 Aluminum or naval brass will give you about 100,000 parts. Steel molds from S7 or H16 will give you a million parts. Molds made from resin will give you maybe 500/1000 parts. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34072	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: layout ideas needed update

the website is www.thortrains.com/flyrlay2.htm third layout on this page. --- bruce weidner <weidner@...> wrote: > > > Have not got around to actual measurements of > basement > yet but found a good plan to base my layout on. It > is > a 12x16 I found on > http://www.thortrains.com/flyrlay.htm > it is the 3rd layout in the 2nd group 4 layouts. I > will stretch it to fit space available. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34073	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Florida Train Show This Weekend

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 34074	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Christmas Layout 2004

I finally posted some pictures of this years layout featuring the recently acquired American Hi Rail Burlington Zephyr... http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/amflyer336/album?.dir=8592&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/amflyer336/my_photos Gregg Mummert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34075	From: flyernicki	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: track question.

Hi, all! I'm using K-Line wide radius curves on my dining table layout. I want to use a wide radius turnout with my track. I don't want to use the regular AF turnouts, what options do I have??? I also want to say thanks to everyone who made me feel so welcome! everyone has been great to me! Thanks again! Nicki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34076	From: squinn12345	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Block wiring

Well this is my first posting, after rediscovering the old American Flyers a few years ago, I went from 8x12 layout using the old AF track and switches (turnouts) to now a much larger layout using the newer American Models track and turnout... One question: when I block the track with "fiber" rail joiners, do I "fiber" both rails or can I get away with only the base rail.... or do I have it wrong ... this will be a long lasting layout running the hi-rail AF locos and the newer AM locos and their PRR steamer .... boy does that loco smoke... I will hand-throw most of the 24 turnouts as I have a yard within reach and run long passenger trains ... thanks for any help ... I will still have the AC accessories mixed in, I am not into scale (yet) but want the newer "stuff" to help in smooth operations Steve Quinn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34077	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Tooling

Seems like I always get involved around the edges of the hobby. There are different materials for different levels of tooling. Suppose that you are diecasting, you usually wind up with some kind of form. After "X" many hits, the tool can be reconditioned by facing it and using the form to burn the female shape slightly deeper. Of course, there is precision in this. Really good, hardened tooling will last a long time provided it is handled correctly. And the owner should. He pays dearly for it. The time you expect it to last and the amount of production from the tool are how the class of tooling is determined. The accountant must be able to amortized the cost. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34078	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: Block wiring

Whether you need fiber in one rail or both depends on the complexity of your layout. I need two-rail fiber in parts of my layout (geocities.com/theupstairstrain), but other parts need only one. To isolate a section of track, follow both rails in both directions to the nearest power source. That will tell you where you need fiber. Or you can save yourself time by putting two everywhere! squinn12345 <squinn12345@...> wrote: Well this is my first posting, after rediscovering the old American Flyers a few years ago, I went from 8x12 layout using the old AF track and switches (turnouts) to now a much larger layout using the newer American Models track and turnout... One question: when I block the track with "fiber" rail joiners, do I "fiber" both rails or can I get away with only the base rail.... or do I have it wrong ... this will be a long lasting layout running the hi-rail AF locos and the newer AM locos and their PRR steamer .... boy does that loco smoke... I will hand-throw most of the 24 turnouts as I have a yard within reach and run long passenger trains ... thanks for any help ... I will still have the AC accessories mixed in, I am not into scale (yet) but want the newer "stuff" to help in smooth operations Steve Quinn S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34079	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Flyer boxes

Y'all...I'd like to box some of the rolling stock I've purchased or rebuilt from junk. I intend to use repro boxes from Portlines, however, I can't remember which color boxes were from what years. What years would you use the blue/yellow or red/white boxes for? Stumpy Stone...under a blank of cold white stuff in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34080	From: klaatu1944	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: My Layout

My layout is based roughly on an early FAO Schwartz layout I saw posted somewhere. There are three basic loops and 21 switches. It is mostly orrignal AF track with rubber roadbed. A few of the curves are K-Line wide radius. The outer loop runs one train and has storage for two more, along with two accessory sidings. The middle loops is a collapsed dogbone and runs one train with storage for one more. There are two accessory sidings. The inner loop is an over and under figure eight running one train. It includes a reverse loop and six yard tracks. I posted a few pictures at http://www.baymoon.com/~americanflyer/MyLayout/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34081	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: still have Flyer

Hey guys and gals, I have about 20-25 pieces of rolling stock (no pass cars)and engines for sale. All are at least operator quality, no junk. Some hard to find, some not. Want to sell all at one shot and I'll even pay shipping. $1000.00 takes it. Have a nice Defender set also, $750.00, take with above for $600.00. Ed in florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34082	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Mikado and TMCC...

larry.asp@... wrote: .Im also watching with interest the groups comments on the Flyonel Mikado - I was fortunate to get one from a local dealer who only had 2 - he wishes he had 20. Nice piece, but doenst have the "nostalgia appeal" that the old Flyer stuff has. I dont have a command module. Mine worked fine out of the box, but after an hour began to slow down. Im wondering if the electronics in it has some kind of regulation to speed because once the throttle is about 2/3 open on the AF transformer - it doestn want to accelerate any further when its opened further. The sound activation button doesnt always turn on the bell etc. when pushed, but does slow the engine whenever activated - has anyone else found similar happenings? Im using an Flyer 16B transformer. Havnt cheked out the command module system yet - what are they worth these days? ............................................................................................................... Larry and group, Last weekend, I was able to get a Mikado from a dealer in Fergus, Ontario, and he happened to have a used TMCC unit available as well. Prior to connecting the Command Control, I ran the Mikado around my Flyer layout, and was not impressed at all. The engine by itself seemed to run relatively smoothly, but as soon as the tender was connected, movement was choppy, the chuffing sound was intermittent, and the tender light flickered like a strobe light continually and made a dreadful clicking noise while in forward motion. Needless to say, I was dismayed. The next evening, I set up the TMCC unit and the differences were amazing. The Mike responded to all commands perfectly. Any wrinkles in performance were due to my inability to absorb all the described functions in the manual all at once. The speed control dial allows for smooth, slow starts and stops, the chuffing sound was realistic, the bell and whistle worked every time, the tender light worked as advertised in reverse only, and the dialogue and chatter between crew and tower was great. Obviously, my recommendation to you would be to invest in the TMCC to realize the full potential of this Mikado. Regarding your "nostalgia appeal" comment and the recent postings about the 'American Flyer' name being absent from appearing on the engine itself, I must admit that as I watched and listened to all the features that this Mikado can perform using the TMCC, it doesn't really seem like a genuine Flyer engine, certainly not like the classics I've been running, purchasing and collecting for the past forty-five years! Lionel's Mikado, with Lionel's Train Master Command Control is truly a Flyonel engine, and a good one, too! Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34083	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Another Mikado view

Well, mine arrived and I unpackaged it. With all of the reports from others on my mind, I really didn't know what to expect. I did not get what I wanted. I carefully lubed it as per the book and added 15 drops of smoke fluid as per book. I put it on the track being operated by my Lionel ZW with sound controller. The loco took off running but without a peep. I determined that by putting some downward pressure on the tender I could get some sporadic sounds from it. When I used the whistle button on the ZW, the loco just went a little faster but no whistle or bell. I tried it in both directions on my track without results. After about a minute on the track a few wisps of smoke came out of the stack at a random pace and then it quit. I opened the tender to install the battery and discovered two disconnected wires.They were a blue one and a red one and went to a pot looking piece that seemed to be connected to the tender back up light. It is an extremely tight fit to get the battery in there along with the jumble of wires. When I put it back on the track the sound unit worked just fine. The chuff and valve sounds are very nice. What's the problem then? Well, the problem is that all I can get is chuff and valve sounds and no smoke or no whistle or no bell. All the smoke unit does is spit fluid all over the loco and tender without burning any of it. As nice a looking piece as this is, It is just a way too complicated piece of electronics for the layman. If I could send this back for a refund.....I would. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34084	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: track question.

If you get lucky you might find some of the older Gargraves switches. Ask if anyone on this list has them for sale or trade. They are very wide radius (but will take up a fair amount of space). I have some on my layout and really like them. Cork roadbed will bring them to a height that matches AF rubber roadbed. The newer Gargraves switch motors will work with them. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "flyernicki" <flyernicki@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] track question. > > > > Hi, all! I'm using K-Line wide radius curves on my dining table > layout. I want to use a wide radius turnout with my track. I don't > want to use the regular AF turnouts, what options do I have??? > > I also want to say thanks to everyone who made me feel so welcome! > everyone has been great to me! Thanks again! Nicki > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34085	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Another Mikado view

Steve, Empty the smoke chamber and use some A-Normal-1 smoke fluid. It will smoke at a lower heat than the Lionel fluid. No spitting. It will not smoke below 10 volts though. The whistle/Bell. Have you another activation unit. The ZW may no be putting enough DC on the track if the load on it is not heavy enough. Sorry you aren't happy with it. It really needs TMCC to perform. Carl -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... [mailto:boss31@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:33 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nasgmembers] Another Mikado view Well, mine arrived and I unpackaged it. With all of the reports from others on my mind, I really didn't know what to expect. I did not get what I wanted. I carefully lubed it as per the book and added 15 drops of smoke fluid as per book. I put it on the track being operated by my Lionel ZW with sound controller. The loco took off running but without a peep. I determined that by putting some downward pressure on the tender I could get some sporadic sounds from it. When I used the whistle button on the ZW, the loco just went a little faster but no whistle or bell. I tried it in both directions on my track without results. After about a minute on the track a few wisps of smoke came out of the stack at a random pace and then it quit. I opened the tender to install the battery and discovered two disconnected wires.They were a blue one and a red one and went to a pot looking piece that seemed to be connected to the tender back up light. It is an extremely tight fit to get the battery in there along with the jumble of wires. When I put it back on the track the sound unit worked just fine. The chuff and valve sounds are very nice. What's the problem then? Well, the problem is that all I can get is chuff and valve sounds and no smoke or no whistle or no bell. All the smoke unit does is spit fluid all over the loco and tender without burning any of it. As nice a looking piece as this is, It is just a way too complicated piece of electronics for the layman. If I could send this back for a refund.....I would. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34086	From: Phil K	Date: 1/19/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider (& MIKADO)

>>Lionel had most of the S gauge market in the mid 80's and Lionel refused to make a steam locomotive, they even refused to do a reissue of an AF steamer. Lionel said their hands were tied. Who was tying their hands?<< Most of the stuff Flyonel made in the first years (1979-on) as re- issues of Flyer was because it had the original dies, which made it pretty simple and very cost effective while sizing up the potential market. The financial seas were also choppy, as Lionel went through three or four ownership changes and each set of new owners had to concentrate on the "core" business -- producing O. They each had their own philosophy as how the company should function, too. According to everything I've read, most of the dies used to make the diecast Flyer steamers during the "glory days" of Gilbert vs. Lionel either were worn out, or missing. So a remake of a classic American Flyer locomotive was impossible unless new dies were made, which probably was too expensive given the financial state of Lionel. I doubt anyone would have gotten very excited about the re-issue of a Casey Jones-style, cheapo plastic locomotive with the one-piece main rod, especially when compared to the genuine excitement the highly- detailed Mikado has created. Remember, hindsight is 20-20, especially when you are spending someone else's dollars. Lionel is now being run under the watchful eye of the bankruptcy court (that's what Chapter 11 is all about), and I doubt the court would allow Lionel to cease ANY profit-making portions of its business. Chapter 11 is about Lionel getting protection from creditors, and reorganizing the business to become profitable again. I've read comments by new head honcho Jerry Calabrese in multiple business stories where he said Lionel was up about 5 percent in sales last year. So despite some of the gloomy posts appearing here, that bodes well for both its O and S production, I would think. All signs point to steady, albeit slow growth in S manufacturing. As one poster pointed out, the new affordable beginner sets K-Line has announced for the end of this year in the $150 range could really accelerate that growth, in an area where exists a relative void right now. So, I likes what I sees, and I'll just wait to see what happens. And enjoy my new Mikado. Yes, it is the exception to the rule, but they gotta start somewhere. Phil K ****************************************************************** > ROBBY: The Mikado was the exception to the rule, the rule which was > to never make any totally new locomotives for S. Lionel had most of > the S gauge market in the mid 80's and Lionel refused to make a steam > locomotive, they even refused to do a reissue of an AF steamer. > Lionel said their hands were tied. Who was tying their hands? > Didn't Lionel miss a big opportunity back in the 80's? Lionel's > philosophy did change recently, but some of the very people > responsible for that change are gone. Also, Lionel did not make all > of the accessories that were announced. The 771 Stockyard and the > 785 Seaboard Coal Loader were cancelled. What got Lionel going on > the accessories was MTH reproducing AF accessories. The position of > Lionel in S has changed because they have to compete with AM, SHS, > and K-Line. New people entering the hobby will not care about brand > names. New people will be looking for quality and value. I agree > that the day of the Lionel toy train monopoly is over. I also > disagree with the O gauge philosophy that one size fits all, O of > course. Lionel's latest campaign is that they are still #1 in O > gauge, but there was no mention of American Flyer (S).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34087	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Lionel and S

Phil and everyone, We've all heard how the classic Flyer dies for the steamers are worn out and/or missing. Considering the fact that Lionel inherited the dies at a time when they weren't worth much certainly bears out that theory. Why should they care for something they may or may not ever produce, and had already been used for many years? When the company reissued a few things in '79 as a test of the S waters, they may have seen that S is a viable market. Remember the forecast re-release of the Hudson? Well, my point is that living in southeast Michigan (near the factory) sometimes turns up some interesting things. I was at a swap meet a couple of years ago, and a dealer in S had a very interesting item on his table. It wasn't for sale, but he was showing anyone who was interested a new, bare cast shell for a Northern. He said it was from someone in the factory who ran it as a "test shot" and subsequently "liberated" it from the factory. The shell had a few pencil marks on it showing a couple of minute flaws, but was, at least to my untrained eye, a very nice casting. So at least this set of molds is still in Lionel's possession. Of course, there's a lot more to a die cast locomotive than just the shell. We'll never know for sure what Lionel got in the Gilbert sell off after their bankrupsy. Some parts of the molds were sold off with the casting machines and were scrapped by their new owners, and some were taken to Lionel warehouses. Almost everyone would like to see the heavyweight cars reproduced, also the New Haven style. That may not happen. However, it is encouraging to see the success of the Mikado and that gives hope that Lionel will be driven by the bottom line to do more for S. Here's hoping that the Docksider will be as nicely done. I certainly hope so. I have four on order! Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34088	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: 2005 Lionel Flyer Items announced

Great news: "New 2005 catalog Releases" Check this out: 6-49614 Pennsylvania Railroad PA1 Passenger Set, also available a B unit with Railsounds plus and additional 2 car passenger set 6-48048 SD9- with "TMCC and Railsounds 5.0" DM&R railroad $ 269.95 6-48049 SD9- with "TMCC and Railsounds 5,0" Southern Pacific $ 269.95 The future looks brights Jerry Matsick Jacksonville __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34089	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel and S

In a message dated 1/20/2005 8:09:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, poniaj@... writes: We've all heard how the classic Flyer dies for the steamers are worn out and/or missing. They are not. ;) Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34090	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Lionel Flyer Items announced

The B&O Mikado is also being listed again under Command Control Steam Engines....for September release if I read it right. http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=fulllist.html/SID= 374684333 Gene -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Matsick [mailto:jmatsick@...] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:09 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2005 Lionel Flyer Items announced Great news: "New 2005 catalog Releases" Check this out: 6-49614 Pennsylvania Railroad PA1 Passenger Set, also available a B unit with Railsounds plus and additional 2 car passenger set 6-48048 SD9- with "TMCC and Railsounds 5.0" DM&R railroad $ 269.95 6-48049 SD9- with "TMCC and Railsounds 5,0" Southern Pacific $ 269.95 The future looks brights Jerry Matsick Jacksonville __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34091	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: New Lionel - Flyer releases for 2005

Great News Check it out - Lionel 2005 catalog! 6-49614 - Pennsylvania Railroad PA1 A A plus 4 car Passenger Set Also available B unit with Railsounds 6-48048 - SD9 - DM& R Diesel with "TMCC and Railsounds 5.0" 6-48049 - SD9 - Southern Pacific with "TMCC and Railsounds 5.0" Alot of other new items! Lets hope all are released so that the "Best" Scale can continue to grow. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34092	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: 2005 list

6-49614 - PENNSYLVANIA ALCO PA PASSENGER SET AMERICAN FLYER A UG <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922496140.html /SID=374684333> 679.95 6-48139 - PENNSYLVANIA ALCO PB B-UNIT WITH RAILSOUNDS AMERICAN FLYER AUG <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922481399.html /SID=374684333> 159.95 6-48975 - PENNSYLVANIA PASSENGER CAR 2PK AMERICAN FLYER AUG <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922489753.html /SID=374684333> 129.95 6-48728 - SOUTHERN BAY WINDOW CABOOSE AMERICAN FLYER SEPT <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922487284.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48730 - DM&IR EXTENDED VISION CABOOSE AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922487308.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48731 - SOUTHERN PACIFIC BAY WINDOW CABOOSE AMERICAN FLYERJULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922487315.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48358 - SANTA FE BOXCAR AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922483584.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48417 - PILLSBURY SINGLE DOME TANK CAR AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922484178.html /SID=374684333> 57.95 6-48418 - PROTEX 3-DOME TANK CAR AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922484185.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48539 - FLATCAR WITH REA PIGGYBACK TRAILERS AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922485397.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48540 - BALTIMORE & OHIO FLATCAR WITH GIRDER AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922485403.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48541 - DELAWARE & HUDSON GONDOLA WITH PIPE LOAD AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922485410.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48542 - UPS FLATCAR WITH PIGGYBACK TRAILER AMERICAN FLYERJULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922485427.html /SID=374684333> 57.95 6-48628 - DM&IR HOPPER AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922486288.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-48732 - UNION PACIFIC BOOM CAR AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922487322.html /SID=374684333> 52.95 6-49021 - UNION PACIFIC CRANE CAR AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922490216.html /SID=374684333> 74.95 6-49022 - MOW SEARCHLIGHT CAR AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922490223.html /SID=374684333> 74.95 6-49023 - NEW YORK CENTRAL WALKING BRAKEMAN CAR AMERICAN FLYER JULY <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922490230.html /SID=374684333> 74.95 6-49024 - PENNSYLVANIA COAL DUMP CAR AMERICAN FLYER SEPT <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922490247.html /SID=374684333> 74.95 6-49824 - 770 LOADING PLATFORM AND CAR AMERICAN FLYER AUG <http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=023922498243.html /SID=374684333> 149.95 Plus the Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34093	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Modern S Scale Steamers

Gentlemen: I'm getting caught up. I'm up to January 11th! No one has mentioned modern day usage of Mikados and Consolidations. The Valley Railroad, in Essex Connecticut, is running two coal powered steamers in daily tourist operation. In the 1980s when I was there they were alternated, by week. They are still running today. If they have concluded the passenger runs for the day and need to move something in the yard, they don't fire up a diesel, they use the currently active steamer. They had one on-line customer in the late 1980s but Dicken's witch hazel hadn't received a car in years. But it could happen! The DOD (Army) used to train on the VRR. So you had modern DOD equipment being switched by vintage steam. 40 is a Mikado. (Lionel production) 97 is a Consolidation. (SHS production) Both of these will make excellent stand-ins for the real locomotives. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34094	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: gargraves switches

I have one pair of Gargraves switches no motors/ Tom _tomminil@..._ (mailto:tomminil@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34095	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: LAYOUT TOURS

I have not had time but it would be nice if all the layouts could be collected in a website for future reference. Did someone keep all these references? My layout is 8' x 22'. Presently the mainlines are Gargraves track with an area of original Gilbert track and trestles. The layout is based on a prototype in SE Pennsylvania. The Stoney Creek Branchline of the Reading RR (then Conrail now NS) is still in operation. You may visit my model railroad by going to: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/belfry.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "klaatu1944" <gort@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My Layout > > > > My layout is based roughly on an early FAO Schwartz layout I saw posted somewhere. > There are three basic loops and 21 switches. It is mostly orrignal AF track with rubber > roadbed. A few of the curves are K-Line wide radius. > > The outer loop runs one train and has storage for two more, along with two accessory > sidings. The middle loops is a collapsed dogbone and runs one train with storage for one > more. There are two accessory sidings. The inner loop is an over and under figure eight > running one train. It includes a reverse loop and six yard tracks. > > I posted a few pictures at http://www.baymoon.com/~americanflyer/MyLayout/index.html > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34096	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Sydney and Perth

I was there in 1971, Sydney and Perth, your uncle paid my way. > Jim Lyle I was near there in 1969, again your uncle paid. In fact, I got an all expenses paid, free vacation with unlimited hunting and camping possibilities, in a tropical paradise. Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34097	From: Phil K	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Layout pics

I have added additional photos of my in-progress layout, which incorporates structural insulation foam with Woodland Scenics risers, etc. There are three mains plus an inner loop that crosses over itself at elevation. http://www.s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34098	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2546

In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:48:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 11 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:49:39 -0000 From: "klaatu1944" <gort@...> Subject: My Layout Great photos! Superb job on presentation. I even envy you making that much work in that space. Keep up the good work. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34099	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF

BREAKING NEWS for 2005----Partial contents of the new AF line: SOUTHERN Mikado engine UP Mikado engine Both will have separate-sale BW cabeese. PRR Alco passenger set (AA nad 4 cars) 770 Baggage platform and operating car. Plus a good number of freight cars. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <<http://www.portlines.com/>> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34100	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: LAYOUT TOURS

> it would be > nice if all the layouts could be collected > in a website for future reference. > Did someone keep all these > references? I think it's time to update http://www.s-scaletrains.com/saf.htm with lots of new links. If no one objects, I'll add the ones in the recent posts. Also, if you have any you want to add, just let me know. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@v...> wrote: > > I have not had time but it would be > nice if all the layouts could be collected > in a website for future reference. > Did someone keep all these > references? > > My layout is 8' x 22'. Presently the mainlines > are Gargraves track with an area of original > Gilbert track and trestles. The layout is based > on a prototype in SE Pennsylvania. The > Stoney Creek Branchline of the Reading RR > (then Conrail now NS) is still in operation. > You may visit my model railroad by going to: > http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/belfry.html > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "klaatu1944" <gort@b...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:49 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] My Layout > > > > > > > > > > My layout is based roughly on an early FAO Schwartz layout I saw posted > somewhere. > > There are three basic loops and 21 switches. It is mostly orrignal AF > track with rubber > > roadbed. A few of the curves are K-Line wide radius. > > > > The outer loop runs one train and has storage for two more, along with two > accessory > > sidings. The middle loops is a collapsed dogbone and runs one train with > storage for one > > more. There are two accessory sidings. The inner loop is an over and under > figure eight > > running one train. It includes a reverse loop and six yard tracks. > > > > I posted a few pictures at > http://www.baymoon.com/~americanflyer/MyLayout/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34101	From: jt12313	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: New Flyer and other S gauge worth waiting for...

Thanks for the Flyonel preview although the photos did not open up (for me) Looks like I will buy a Santa Fe boxcar or two or... Depending on what it looks like, remember the SF Box of the later 1990s. I do wish they would do more Midwest lines i.e. Burlington, Mopac, Milwaukee Road, Rock Island, but I guess that is why we have American Models and Showcase. Speaking of which, I look forward to the Showcase blue RI switcher. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34102	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: AF boxes...again!

I got little reaction to my question about which American Flyer boxes were for what years. All that I've been told is the blue/yellow were 1946 and later, and that the red/white boxes were later, toward the end of Flyer production. When did Gilbert change from blue/yellow to red/white boxes? When they brought out the knuckle couplers? When they changed car numbers from 600 series to 900 series? When they went to five digit numbers? When they changed the line to PikeMaster and All Aboard equipment? I'd like to put my loose rolling stock into Portline's repro boxes because they're easier to store in stacked boxes than a pile of loose cars! I figure I might as well put them in the right ones. Stumpy Stone...inquiring mind that wants to know in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34103	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyer and other S gauge worth waiting for...

Sorry guys....I should have mentioned that none of the pictures opened on the webpage either. Gene -----Original Message----- From: jt12313 [mailto:jt12313@...] Sent: Thu 1/20/2005 6:15 PM To: S-trains Subject: [S-Trains] New Flyer and other S gauge worth waiting for... Thanks for the Flyonel preview although the photos did not open up (for me) Looks like I will buy a Santa Fe boxcar or two or... Depending on what it looks like, remember the SF Box of the later 1990s. I do wish they would do more Midwest lines i.e. Burlington, Mopac, Milwaukee Road, Rock Island, but I guess that is why we have American Models and Showcase. Speaking of which, I look forward to the Showcase blue RI switcher. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34104	From: doug	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: 2005 AF...full list

Here's the full list of items in the 2005 catalog. We expect to have everything posted to our website, including pictures and early-order pricing by the end of the weekend ! Pennsylvania 4-car Passenger Set with Alco PA's Pennsylvania Alco PB with Railsounds Pennsylvania 2-Car Passenger Add-On Set Southern Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) Southern Pacific Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) UP Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) Duluth, Messabi & Iron Range (NH-style) Caboose Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe Box Car Pillsbury Single dome Tank Car ProTex 3-Dome Tank Car TOFC Flat with REA Trailers Baltimore & Ohio Flat Car with Girder TOFC Flat with UPS Trailers D M & I R Hopper Union Pacific Boom Car Union Pacific Crane Car M O W Searchlight Car New York Central Walking Brakeman Car 919 Pennsylvania Coal Dump Car 770 Loading Platform with ERIE Car Duluth, Messabi & Iron Range SD-9 Southern Pacific SD-9 Southern 2-8-2 Mikado UP 2-8-2 Mikado Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34105	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel and S

On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 09:10 AM, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/20/2005 8:09:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, > poniaj@... writes: > We've all heard how the classic Flyer dies for the steamers are worn > out and/or missing. > > They are not. ;) > How do you know they are not? See below. > Bob Bubeck FYI Everybody. Back in the 70s Lionel was going to produce the models in Mexico. They sent all their tooling down there. I do not know if they sent the S Scale tooling. BUT and It is a BIG BUT. the project did not work out and ask the people down there to send every thing back to the US of A. Now the bad noose. Between 1/3 and 1/2 of their tooling disappeared on the return trip. To this day no one knows where the tooling is. Some people think it may be in a Custom's warehouse. Customs will not take time to look for it and will nor let an outsider go in and look. So how do you know if the tooling is not missing? Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34106	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: My Kaslo N5C

The photo at this link: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst?.dir=/Chuck%27s+Layout&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ shows my Kaslo N5C almost ready to paint. It has hirail trucks and will mount KD couplers. Truck centers were moved nearly 1/8" away from the delicate steps to allow operation on Flyer track with longer than correct AM caboose trucks. Body was shimmed up about 1/16" to clear the larger flanges. Otherwise it's stock. Kit goes together OK- not a one night "shake the box" and best approached as a leisurely task. I have a 2nd one not started yet. Lots of work but coming along nicely. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34107	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF

BREAKING NEWS for 2005----Partial contents of the new AF line: SOUTHERN Mikado engine UP Mikado engine Both will have separate-sale BW cabeese. PRR Alco passenger set (AA nad 4 cars) 770 Baggage platform and operating car. Plus a good number of freight cars. Now, this is more like I had expected. The Alco came in a different roadname each year. The GP got different roadnames from year to year. They start a project and do more, different roads. True, this may be plans made a year ago or longer, but as some have said, "if it is making money, receivership would tell them to keep on doing it". Spend for additional tooling, a question, but use what you have paid for, get the most for the investment. So, buy, If they don't sell, they are sure to stop. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34108	From: pjervin@hereintown.net	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Trains and planes from Florida to Maryland

I posted a version of this message a month or two ago, but I forgot to bring the responses with me when I left Maryland for Florida. Please indulge me again. I am wanting to know about train sites I might visit as I travel by car from Tampa, Florida to Cumberland, Maryland starting Monday the 24th, weather permitting. I’m also interested in airplanes, and my favorite is the DC-3. I’d give my eye teeth to fly on one of them. Any suggestions? Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34109	From: EagleTrains	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re: AF boxes...again!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > > I got little reaction to my question about which American Flyer > boxes were for what years. All that I've been told is the > blue/yellow were 1946 and later, and that the red/white boxes were > later, toward the end of Flyer production. > When did Gilbert change from blue/yellow to red/white boxes? > When they brought out the knuckle couplers? > When they changed car numbers from 600 series to 900 series? > When they went to five digit numbers? My 1957 "Mountaineer" (20320) set has knuckle couples, cars numbered in the 900 series and five-digit catalog numbers; it came with blue and yellow boxes. Skip Kendel Little Rock, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34110	From: trainman634	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches

Does anyone know where I can buy the new Ross S-Gauge switches?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34111	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re: LAYOUT TOURS

I have all the emails in a folder if anyone needs them. I had presumed Paul would link to them from the Group site, and I was debating whether to link to them from my site. Would anyone object to such links? Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> wrote: I have not had time but it would be nice if all the layouts could be collected in a website for future reference. Did someone keep all these references? My layout is 8' x 22'. Presently the mainlines are Gargraves track with an area of original Gilbert track and trestles. The layout is based on a prototype in SE Pennsylvania. The Stoney Creek Branchline of the Reading RR (then Conrail now NS) is still in operation. You may visit my model railroad by going to: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/belfry.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "klaatu1944" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My Layout > > > > My layout is based roughly on an early FAO Schwartz layout I saw posted somewhere. > There are three basic loops and 21 switches. It is mostly orrignal AF track with rubber > roadbed. A few of the curves are K-Line wide radius. > > The outer loop runs one train and has storage for two more, along with two accessory > sidings. The middle loops is a collapsed dogbone and runs one train with storage for one > more. There are two accessory sidings. The inner loop is an over and under figure eight > running one train. It includes a reverse loop and six yard tracks. > > I posted a few pictures at http://www.baymoon.com/~americanflyer/MyLayout/index.html > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34112	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re;re; AF boxes...again!

Y'all..... I've had alot more response this time, but the picture isn't much clearer. I've had reports of the blue/yellow boxes as late as 1961! (Left over store stock?) I've also had a report of the red/white boxes as early as the link coupler's last few years. Add to this yellow boxes with blue print and blue boxes with yellow print both being reported! However, the most respondants seem to be reporting that the big change over of boxes being the 1956-57 era. It seems that Gilbert started changing box colors (and dimensions) very slowly, using up the stock of the older blue/yellow boxes even as new red/white ones were phased in. Of course this is not a scientific survey. When I first asked this question, I never expected to unearth anything like this. I figured Gilbert changed over all at one time. It seems I've accidently opened a new can of worms for American Flyer experts to mull over! Sorry about that, Y'all. Stumpy Stone...getting ready for a big snow in Appalachia!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34113	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34114	From: jt12313	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel offerings

Ok, I may buy some some of the UP offerings, They are HQed up the road in Omaha. Although...UP in Nebraska is like Husker football...you just can't escape it:) (in NE at least) Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34115	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Big L and the Flyer tooling

I will be the first to admit that I live a looooong ways away from the east coast, so the following statements are based on discussions with many different people, some who have access to info that I don't have, and who will want to remain nameless (and, one of the blessings of my "brand" of dyslexia is that I cannot remember people's names & faces very well, so their secret is safe!) When big L purchased the ACG Flyer assests, they recieved crates of tooling, some of which had not been in use for years (heavywieght cars, most of the larger locomotives, most of the accessories. Some of the tooling was lost, being in manufacturing proccess machinery sold elsewhere--but apparently that wasn't much! Big L then announced that the tooling was found to be worn out, and not useable. This was quite interesting to me, as observation of the ACG items I owned showed that somewhere around 1956 some of the tooling was redone (different details on cars changed, such as doorknobs being on the other side of the caboose doors). I have been suspicious of this statement since the very early 70s. I have been told by different folks who have been "inside" big L that most of the tooling survived, staying locked up in a storage area, although some of it apparently was sitting outside for many years. In particular, the heavywieght tooling exists in useable condition. I also understand that a few years ago, the tooling was inspected and inventoried-finally! The results of that inventory have not been shared!! Now, with the recent changes in personell, the ACG tooling information may have been misplaced, and with the closing of the US factory, I have been told that much tooling was sent to China--but I have also been told that China makes its own tooling, so the tooling may still be here in the states. This is one event that I haven't been able to hear anything conclusive. Considering that manufactuing information is usually a highly kept secret, that one could gather even this much information accurately is unlikely, but that's my story! BTW, the cost of the injection molding is minor compared to the costs of finishing, packaging, and marketing. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34116	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@p...> wrote: > > BREAKING NEWS for 2005----Partial contents of the new AF line: > > SOUTHERN Mikado engine > UP Mikado engine > Both will have separate-sale BW cabeese. > PRR Alco passenger set (AA nad 4 cars) > 770 Baggage platform and operating car. > > Plus a good number of freight cars. > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > Oh yeah! I put off ordering a NYC Mike because I was lukewarm on the roadname and the B&O because I was lukewarm about a passenger train headed by a freight locomotive. But a SOUTHERN Mikado is a different matter. I'll be sure to get my order in early on that one! Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34117	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/21/2005
Subject: Layout Links

If you have an album or layout page on your site, it think it would be great to create a link list of layout links. I added a new category called 'Layout Pictures'. If you have a logon to the http://s-scale.org you can add your link to the list yourself. (somethimes I need to add a ? to the end of the link to get it to accept it) or you can send me the link and i will add it. If your album is in my s-scale.org photo album, I will create the link for you. Just use 'Photo Album Link' for a subject so i don't loose your note. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34118	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF...full list

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug" <doug@p...> wrote: > > Here's the full list of items in the 2005 catalog. > We expect to have everything posted to our website, including pictures and > early-order pricing by the end of the weekend ! > > Pennsylvania 4-car Passenger Set with Alco PA's > Pennsylvania Alco PB with Railsounds > Pennsylvania 2-Car Passenger Add-On Set > Southern Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) > Southern Pacific Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) > UP Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) > Duluth, Messabi & Iron Range (NH-style) Caboose > Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe Box Car > Pillsbury Single dome Tank Car > ProTex 3-Dome Tank Car > TOFC Flat with REA Trailers > Baltimore & Ohio Flat Car with Girder > TOFC Flat with UPS Trailers > D M & I R Hopper > Union Pacific Boom Car > Union Pacific Crane Car > M O W Searchlight Car > New York Central Walking Brakeman Car > 919 Pennsylvania Coal Dump Car > 770 Loading Platform with ERIE Car > Duluth, Messabi & Iron Range SD-9 > Southern Pacific SD-9 > Southern 2-8-2 Mikado > UP 2-8-2 Mikado > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply Doug, Do you know if the Southern 2-8-2 will be black or dressed up as the 4501 in the passenger green paint scheme? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34119	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Layout pics

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > > I have added additional photos of my in-progress layout, which > incorporates structural insulation foam with Woodland Scenics > risers, etc. There are three mains plus an inner loop that crosses > over itself at elevation. > > http://www.s-scale.org/albums/albup15 > > Phil K Phil, Nice layout pics. You have some beautiful equipment running on your railroad, too. I'm building an 8'x22' layout using AM track and homabed also (although I used AM flextrack for my mainline curves). For electrical isolation, I found that cutting a gap in AM sectional track with a Dremel cutoff wheel works well. If you use the sectional track (not the lightly supported flex), there is enough support from the plastic tie structure to provide adequate stability. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34120	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Madness - Watching the wheels go by... - Lionel Reply

----------------------------------------------------- To: Steve From: Lionel Corporate It's always nice to hear about a satisfied customer... :) (not really from Lionel) ----------------------------------------------------- I guess at that price I was expecting better, some of things I have been reading about the Miks in this group make me feel better about avoiding the "get 1 while you can rush" by just watching the wheels go by... . I appreciate all those who have reported bad and good experiences, but it seems the bad experiences have the edge or least the amount of undocumented things that reliably running the engine requires seems to be the norm rather than the exception... I just don't see why a steam engine is so hard to quality design or manufacture just because it's a smaller gauge - but its not that much smaller.... An interesting comparison would be if this was a car, would there be a recall on it? But since they are charging more for s rolling stock than O I shouldn't be surprised should I? Hope your engine smoke unit problems work out... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34121	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel in catalog

Y'all...On a visit to G&M Train & Hobby Friday afternoon, I got to see the next Lionel catalog and turned to the Flyer stuff. Lots of neat goodies, however they use some retouched photos and art work to depict many of the items. The proportions and colors seem a bit off. Yes, more Mikados...answering the question "will there be more?" A Pennsy PA passenger set...the new cars with the old Flyer mold locos. Railsounds in a B unit, no TMCC in this set, which seems odd. I'm not too impressed with the art work depicting the bay window cabooses, so I'll wait to see the real thing. By the way these are not the Gilbert style with a capola, but new tooling. A coal dump car for $75. seems a good buy considering what the collectable price is for old Flyer, especially for operators. The same thing goes for the baggage loader and boxcar for $149....I hope they don't cancel this accesory! No Docksider in this catalog, but two GP diesels. Several interesting frieght cars. Prices are up on everything in the catalog, with many O items judged too expensive by the two shop owners. I would have liked to bring the catalog home, but they had only one for the store. They expext more in the next week or so. Stumpy Stone...beginning to drool in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34122	From: keefer1	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: new chionel

Doug has all the pics on his site. www.portlines.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34124	From: Phil K	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Southern colors, tooling and more...

Scott and all -- I saw the new 2005 catalog tonight at the CASG meeting. Suggested retail on the Mikes (UP, Southern) will be up $31 to $630. And yes, the Southern is in the wonderful green paint job, similar to the American Models Pacific. The Pennsy PAs and B unit are solid tuscan, while the passenger cars are tuscan trim on chrome streamline. I got only a quick glance, but I really liked most of what I saw. A lot of the stuff is scheduled for mid-late summer delivery. I also wondered if the PAs will have TMCC. That would be nice, since so many of us now own the hardware, which is suddenly hard to find. RE: the molds -- one of our members said he saw a few years ago a Northern test casting Lionel made from the original tooling and it looked "perfect." He also said he heard Dick Kughn finally did an intense inventory of all of the tooling he inhereted in the sale and while some may be missing/worn out, quite a bit was in very good condition. Another member who is a Flyer expert said he was told the tooling was pretty much worn out for the Hudsons and 0-6-0s. For what all that's worth, Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug" <doug@p...> wrote: > > > > Here's the full list of items in the 2005 catalog. > > We expect to have everything posted to our website, including > pictures and > > early-order pricing by the end of the weekend ! > > > > Pennsylvania 4-car Passenger Set with Alco PA's > > Pennsylvania Alco PB with Railsounds > > Pennsylvania 2-Car Passenger Add-On Set > > Southern Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) > > Southern Pacific Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) > > UP Bay Window Extended Vision Caboose (no cupola) > > Duluth, Messabi & Iron Range (NH-style) Caboose > > Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe Box Car > > Pillsbury Single dome Tank Car > > ProTex 3-Dome Tank Car > > TOFC Flat with REA Trailers > > Baltimore & Ohio Flat Car with Girder > > TOFC Flat with UPS Trailers > > D M & I R Hopper > > Union Pacific Boom Car > > Union Pacific Crane Car > > M O W Searchlight Car > > New York Central Walking Brakeman Car > > 919 Pennsylvania Coal Dump Car > > 770 Loading Platform with ERIE Car > > Duluth, Messabi & Iron Range SD-9 > > Southern Pacific SD-9 > > Southern 2-8-2 Mikado > > UP 2-8-2 Mikado > > > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > > Doug, > > Do you know if the Southern 2-8-2 will be black or dressed up as the > 4501 in the passenger green paint scheme? > > Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34125	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel trucks? - Neither a borrower nor a lender be;

For loan oft loses both... Ben Franklin. Stump, The GP on Doug's site is listed as having all new 6 wheel trucks. Does anyone know what these are about or where they come from? Are they really an improvement that is more authentic or scale or Merely a cost saving feature? Are they "borrowed" from an O gauge product? Awaiting more sunny daze in The Big Dee... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2005 Flyonel in catalog

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34126	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Big L and the Flyer tooling

Most of us have heard the stories, or some variation, you reference. Mr Amato in Connecticut occasionally borrowed Flyer tooling early on to produce a part or two to complete some of the truckloads he bought from the factory. Until (if ever) the "fine folks" at Lionel realize that American Flyer runs on TWO RAIL track and the gauge is narrower, don't hold out lots of hope for Flyonel. In their minds, it is still 1946 and Flyer competes head on. Maybe a few of our more "diplomatic" members can perhaps gain an audience with Neil Young, don't expect miracles. Think he would be the most reasonable owner to approach The most obvious problem would be in their being able to compete with the quality and detail that exists today in "S". The bar has been raised WAY past the A/F standard of old (today). Jim "Waiting for the first blizzard this season" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34127	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Alto tower

Hi All, I have received some commitments to buy the S Scale Alto Tower kit, but still need more. Here is a link to some contemporary photos of Alto proving that you can model it in 2005 if you wanted. http://palter.org/~brotzman/Towers/ALTO/thumbnails.html I need to sell 50 kits to get it to go. Initial ROUGH cost estimates are about $90.00. (Read NO profit!) Considering that is the same price as the HO kit, this is a real bargain. ALL kits MUST be pre-sold for this to happen. There will be no kits left to "stock". Here is the shot of the model tower on the manufacturer's website. http://www.the-n-arch.com/Railway.htm Other towers could be produced later if this one is successful. Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34128	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: SD-9 trucks

<<<The GP on Doug's site is listed as having all new 6 wheel trucks.>>> But look at the image. I would say they are the normal 4-wheel trucks, but with new sideframe castings to make it >>appear<< there are three axles. That's part of the reason I previously said "don't get too excited about......". I may be wrong (all I've seen is the same images), but I don't see anything else that distinguishes this from a GP-7. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34129	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 AF

Green..... The catalog images are now up on our site, along with pricing. My Feb 20th deadline date is tentative, and will likely change, as I haven't yet heard a deadline date to submit my own orders. There's some great stuff in this catalog, I think, (although don't get too excited about the thought of a "new" engine....the SD-9 diesels.) <<<Doug, Do you know if the Southern 2-8-2 will be black or dressed up as the 4501 in the passenger green paint scheme? Scott>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34130	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Web Links of layout

I started adding the layout picture links. http://tinyurl.com/64nvp or http://s-scale.org/~pyorke/sscale/mod.php?mod=weblink&op=view_category&cid=23&start_num=0 or http://s-scale.org then web links I will try and add the links to the s-scale.org albums ASAP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34131	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Hello

Hello Nicki, welcome. I hope you enjoy the group and your trains. There's a book out there - "Layouts in Small Spaces" is the title, I believe. It's offered thru Kalmbach Press. You might find some useful ideas in it. I think you'll find you have lots of company in dealing with space limitations. Recently, all of the railroad magazines have been touting the virtues of a smaller layout as opposed to one with no space limitations. Keep us up on your progress. Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34132	From: abmarr2	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Overland Challanger

Group A friend of mine in his late 70's is trying to determine current fair market value for his Overland UP 4-6-6-4 Challanger. It is unpainted and has the original box. Less than 30 hours run time. Any help with this would be welcome. Thanks Art Marr Reno,NV

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34133	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts

Hey 'Ya'll Well, looking at the scanned pics, the images of the SDs looks like the GP trucks under them, but the close-up of the "six wheel trucks" looks like the same chassis with new sideframes giving the illusion of six wheels, and thereby the ablility to offer the SD versions! The new caboose looks like the Bay window caboose body with a new flat roof. BTW, I sent big L this idea way back when the offset cupola caboose came out. A simple change that would have given them an "all new" AF car. My idea was to just change the roof part of the mold out, so it could be changed back again. Now for my compensation for this suggestion. . . .What, have you been smokin' them funny cigarretts again? Big L admit someone gave them an idea????? Noneless, I will HAVE to get the SP version! The extended vision caboose looks like a re-work of the Chinese caboose. I doubt the end rails will look any better than the previous one. Ah, boxes. AFAIK, the red/white boxed were started in '56. The change over would be gradual, as each box size old stock ran out. After all, they were making TOYS. Also, ACG keep stock from past years and made up "specials" from left-over stock, so a mix of boxes in a set would not be unlikely. Repsonses to my posting on the tooling has been interesting. Some wondered what my point was! I'm often pointless! I was just relating what I knew, or suspected about the original tooling, which would relate to what stuff big L might make inexpensively (to them, not to us, the consumer). I noted with interest that one person related that the 0-6-0 tooling was worn. Hmm, they only made that loco for two years, how could that have worn out the tooling??? I din't mention it, but I always believed that big L's story on the worn-out tooling back in '68 was to give them a reason to not produce AF, and thereby finally "Kill" their last major competitior. Well, off to figure out how to flex the budget for an SP bay window, and some coal unloaders!!! Gee, wonder if they will make available the unloader door, I have a few originals with bad doors! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34134	From: Phil K	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: Big L and the Flyer tooling

>>The most obvious problem would be in their being able to compete with the quality and detail that exists today in "S". The bar has been raised WAY past the A/F standard of old (today).<< Jim -- I'm not sure Lionel's true intent is to compete product-wise with AM and SHS and DesPlaines Hobbies, et al -- since the number of S- gaugers is fairly limited right now, estimated at between 35,000 and 65,000 (depending on whom you talk to). I think Lionel is trying to satiate a different S market -- making stuff much akin to the original Gilbert production because no one else is -- or can. Remember, there is a terrific market for nostalgia trains in O. Why not S? One could argue that the scale-like appearance of the Mikado (flanges not withstanding) is a move toward the finely detailed products of SHS, AM etc. But remember, it has TMCC and a sound system and smoker that sets it totally apart. My $0.02 between wrestling matches with the snowblower in buried Chicagoland.... Phil K ****************************************************************** -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@a... wrote: > > Most of us have heard the stories, or some variation, you reference. Mr > Amato in Connecticut occasionally borrowed Flyer tooling early on to produce a > part or two to complete some of the truckloads he bought from the factory. > Until (if ever) the "fine folks" at Lionel realize that American Flyer runs on > TWO RAIL track and the gauge is narrower, don't hold out lots of hope for > Flyonel. In their minds, it is still 1946 and Flyer competes head on. > > Maybe a few of our more "diplomatic" members can perhaps gain an audience > with Neil Young, don't expect miracles. Think he would be the most > reasonable owner to approach The most obvious problem would be in their being able to > compete with the quality and detail that exists today in "S". The bar has > been raised WAY past the A/F standard of old (today). > > Jim "Waiting for the first blizzard this season" Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34135	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Layout Photos

There are now over 30 links to 'Layout photos'. If I have missed yours please let me know. Again see them at http://tinyurl.com/64nvp or go to http://S-Scale.org and navigate to 'Web Links' - then 'Layout photos' Enjoy - Paul Secret (non-train related) Password for today "The owl has an egg." see http://tinyurl.com/6s6hw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34136	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts

You know, gang, David's knowledge about s-gauge, his writing skills and his easy-read style would make him an excellent candidate to produce the articles on s-gauge some of us have been promoting. Do I hear a second??? Steve On Jan 22, 2005, at 11:45 AM, David Dewey wrote: > > > Hey 'Ya'll > Well, looking at the scanned pics, the images of the SDs looks > like the > GP trucks under them, but the close-up of the "six wheel trucks" looks > like > the same chassis with new sideframes giving the illusion of six > wheels, and > thereby the ablility to offer the SD versions! > The new caboose looks like the Bay window caboose body with a new > flat > roof. BTW, I sent big L this idea way back when the offset cupola > caboose > came out. A simple change that would have given them an "all new" AF > car. My > idea was to just change the roof part of the mold out, so it could be > changed back again. Now for my compensation for this suggestion. . . > .What, > have you been smokin' them funny cigarretts again? Big L admit someone > gave > them an idea????? Noneless, I will HAVE to get the SP version! > The extended vision caboose looks like a re-work of the Chinese > caboose. I > doubt the end rails will look any better than the previous one. > > Ah, boxes. AFAIK, the red/white boxed were started in '56. The change > over > would be gradual, as each box size old stock ran out. After all, they > were > making TOYS. Also, ACG keep stock from past years and made up > "specials" > from left-over stock, so a mix of boxes in a set would not be unlikely. > > Repsonses to my posting on the tooling has been interesting. Some > wondered > what my point was! I'm often pointless! I was just relating what I > knew, or > suspected about the original tooling, which would relate to what stuff > big > L might make inexpensively (to them, not to us, the consumer). I noted > with > interest that one person related that the 0-6-0 tooling was worn. Hmm, > they > only made that loco for two years, how could that have worn out the > tooling??? I din't mention it, but I always believed that big L's > story on > the worn-out tooling back in '68 was to give them a reason to not > produce > AF, and thereby finally "Kill" their last major competitior. > > Well, off to figure out how to flex the budget for an SP bay window, > and > some coal unloaders!!! Gee, wonder if they will make available the > unloader > door, I have a few originals with bad doors! > S' > David D. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34137	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts

David, et. al As I said earlier, the fine folks at Lionel have no idea what their market is or could be. I do think that eventually even the "hard-core" Flyer fans will realize the lack of value in Flyonel as opposed to the other "S" manufacturers. K-Line's $19.95 cars appear more accurate , tho somewhat oversized, with "sprung trucks" even. The very first SHS cars were tested by a group of us at a nationally known museum, on their layout, the SHS cars rolled, on average, three times further. Didn't take long to shunt the A/F and Flyonel onto sidings and pull more SHS cars with the same engines. Also cut down on the wear and maintenance on the engines. Seems totally disconnected from the marketplace. Jim "Watching the snow fly" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34138	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: EAST COAST SNOW

This weekend was our train show at a Senior Citizens home. The snow started falling at 10:00am and now at 4:00pm we have 6 inches on the ground and another foot expected. The Senior Center told us to close early and store our modules til we could take them home in clear weather. We have been confirmed to operate our layout at the Allentown Spring Thaw in February. Glenn North Penn S Gaugers http://npsg3.homestead.com/files/npsgi.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <djdewey@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>> > Jim "Watching the snow fly" Lyle >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34139	From: abmarr2	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Overland Challenger

My mistake. I automatically relate Overland with UP which is a bad habit to get into. It is a Sunset Challenger Art Marr Reno,NV

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34140	From: robohat	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Flyonel CNW?

Has Lionel ever made any Flyer Chicago + Northwestern stuff? I would like to see the Mikado done in CNW.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34141	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: 312

Hi all, Got a 312 off of e-bay recently. Needs a real good going over. I took the cow catcher off the front by removing only one screw. This thing has all sorts of debris wrapped around the wheels. I'm looking for some of you more experienced guys to give me suggestions on the best way to clean them. And how would you replace wheels if you had to? Thanks for any help!! Flyerbuddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34142	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts

I'll second, third and fourth that, Steve... Barb Stephen Litts wrote: > You know, gang, David's knowledge about s-gauge, his writing skills and > his easy-read style would make him an excellent candidate to produce > the articles on s-gauge some of us have been promoting. Do I hear a > second??? > > Steve > On Jan 22, 2005, at 11:45 AM, David Dewey wrote: > > > > > > > Hey 'Ya'll > > Well, looking at the scanned pics, the images of the SDs looks > > like the > > GP trucks under them, but the close-up of the "six wheel trucks" looks > > like > > the same chassis with new sideframes giving the illusion of six > > wheels, and > > thereby the ablility to offer the SD versions! > > The new caboose looks like the Bay window caboose body with a new > > flat > > roof. BTW, I sent big L this idea way back when the offset cupola > > caboose > > came out. A simple change that would have given them an "all new" AF > > car. My > > idea was to just change the roof part of the mold out, so it could be > > changed back again. Now for my compensation for this suggestion. . . > > .What, > > have you been smokin' them funny cigarretts again? Big L admit someone > > gave > > them an idea????? Noneless, I will HAVE to get the SP version! > > The extended vision caboose looks like a re-work of the Chinese > > caboose. I > > doubt the end rails will look any better than the previous one. > > > > Ah, boxes. AFAIK, the red/white boxed were started in '56. The change > > over > > would be gradual, as each box size old stock ran out. After all, they > > were > > making TOYS. Also, ACG keep stock from past years and made up > > "specials" > > from left-over stock, so a mix of boxes in a set would not be unlikely. > > > > Repsonses to my posting on the tooling has been interesting. Some > > wondered > > what my point was! I'm often pointless! I was just relating what I > > knew, or > > suspected about the original tooling, which would relate to what stuff > > big > > L might make inexpensively (to them, not to us, the consumer). I noted > > with > > interest that one person related that the 0-6-0 tooling was worn. Hmm, > > they > > only made that loco for two years, how could that have worn out the > > tooling??? I din't mention it, but I always believed that big L's > > story on > > the worn-out tooling back in '68 was to give them a reason to not > > produce > > AF, and thereby finally "Kill" their last major competitior. > > > > Well, off to figure out how to flex the budget for an SP bay window, > > and > > some coal unloaders!!! Gee, wonder if they will make available the > > unloader > > door, I have a few originals with bad doors! > > S' > > David D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34143	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: looking for

Would be interested in acquiring a TTOS Southern pacific crane car with or without the companion gondola. Email me off the list. Ed in snowless Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34144	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: MIKADO

Anyone still looking for a Mikado at full retail there is one on E-Bay Buy it now $599.00 Item # 5951919430 This is not mine Just saw it ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34145	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel, boxes, and more tooling thoughts

Gee, I thought you guys were my friends!!! :-) Many thanks for the compliments, I dunno about time constraints, you see I have this house that is falling down around me. . . I am sometimes wondering what my life will be like once I finish it (the house, not my life!) Steve, I wish you could tell my director that my style is "easy reading"--he thinks my curator reports ramble. I gotta go work on some roof trusses, so I can put the heater ductwork in (I am finding that some parts of this house project must be done in sequence, or you end up re-doing stuff.) AAAUGH!(I hate crawling around in insulation) :-( S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34146	From: T Larson	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: Modular Walls

Over the years I have seen many articles and e-mail notes expressing the wish for modular walls for structures. A few months back, Pine Canyon had some available. They disappeared from the website, but now have reappeared; http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/Blockwalls.htm I missed getting some the first time around. I'm not missing them this time. They look perfect for the small town potato and carrot warehouse that I have planned for my S-mod modules. -- Ted Larson Organ donation is a no-brainer http://www.organdonor.gov/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34147	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: AF 4-6-6-4 project

Greetings.......last year, some of you were intrested in seeing this articulated I was building. I finally have some pictures (3)posted (with the expertise of Chuck Harrington) on his website under "albums". I believe you can get to it thru Port Lines site links. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.......Al Kielek ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34148	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/22/2005
Subject: still looking for some layout ideas

Has anyone ever had a double deck layout and helix in other scales? How could I use these methods in S? Even though I have a 12' x 31'(actual mesurements) area to play with to fit in every thing I want I would have no room for access holes and I don't think I could build a table strong enough to hold me (6'4" 370+ lbs). I basicly want long runs of mainline tracks, locomotive servicing area, a big passenger terminal, maybe a yard for swithing down the road and operating accessories. But then again maybe I should just do a folded dogbone and streatch it out 31' and go from there.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34149	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: SD-9 trucks

Doug Peck wrote: >But look at the image. I would say they are the normal 4-wheel >trucks, but with new sideframe castings to make it >>appear<< there >are three axles. <snip> I may be wrong (all I've seen is the same >images), but I don't see anything else that distinguishes this from a >GP-7. I think Doug's right. The pix of both hood diesels say "concept model shown" in the upper left. The insert of the truck itself looks as though they have simply designed new Flexcoil-ish sideframes to mount onto the old Alco/Geep truck. Ironically, the truck length is more suited to a 3 axle truck anyway (it was originally designed as an Alco A-1-A truck). Trouble is, it also looks as though they intend to put these trucks under the old unlengthened GP7 frame and body and call them SD9s. Well, they've been calling GP7s "GP9s" or GP20s" for decades now, so I s'pose calling them "SD-whatevers" isn't such a big stretch in their minds. This all looks more like the typical Flyonel kluges we're accustomed to seeing. Argh. Ah, well. Still no diesel temptation from Flyonel for me! Durn glad I bought that 2nd SD60 from AM last Dec... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34150	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Modular Walls

Hi Ted: You could almost use their newly advertised "Toxic" Warehouse. (of course, you might want to change the name - on the otherhand, potatoes are not the be all to end all they were once thought to be). Rance Velapoldi (Norway) T Larson wrote: >Over the years I have seen many articles and e-mail notes expressing the >wish for modular walls for structures. A few months back, Pine Canyon >had some available. They disappeared from the website, but now have >reappeared; >http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/Blockwalls.htm >I missed getting some the first time around. I'm not missing them this >time. They look perfect for the small town potato and carrot warehouse >that I have planned for my S-mod modules. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34151	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: New fifty year old diesels!

As long as the molds remain in good shape and the prices for the old American Flyer diesels remain high, you'll see Lionel make the diesels they do. Lionel watches the collector market and makes what earns them the most money, an astute business practice. They did this when they started up again in O gauge under MPC and General Mills many years ago. They remade all the postwar stuff with new graphics and other minor changes. They sold it at collector prices and did very well because their business had become selling their past. Then MTH came on the scene and raised the bar. Open frame motors and fifty year old shells wouldn't cut it. Lionel knows they have to put some new product in the works these days. However, their track record is that they will warm over whatever old stuff they still can. By changing the truck sideframes and the graphics, Lionel has a "new" fifty year old diesel! And why not? They know these will sell! And in business, isn't THAT the name of the game? Stumpy Stone...the difference between a hobby and a business can be great...I guess that's why I'm not rich in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34152	From: David Avedesian	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Double deck layouts with Helix

Bruce: My last layout was such a layout. It was the cover story for the S-Gaugian March 03. It is a 12 page write of my layout. The write up may answer many of your questions or as often the case, it will raise more than it answers. That is OK. Feel free to em me with your specific questions. If I can, I would be honored to help. David Avedesian Silver Spring, MD Baltimore Area American Flyer Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34153	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: TMCC bargain

For what it's worth: I found this on another list. It was posted in December, so I don't know if they still have them or at this price. "In the current issue of CTT Feb 2005 Grand Central Trains is offering the 12969 TMCC Command Base & CAB-1 Set for $82.95" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34154	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: New fifty year old diesels!

Yo Stumpy, I agree with you on reselling 50 year old Pas. As a comparison, I looked at the American Model Pennsy PAs and passenger cars which I consider of much higher quality then the Lionel products. Right now you can only get green Pennsy PA/PB/PA and not the red which is out of stock in the PA/PB/PA configuration according to the AM website. It only comes in a PA/PB, unless you are willing to go for a PA/PB/PB/PA configuration which to some might be considered overkill. You could then get the AM four car set with two more passenger cars but no observation cars (don't think Pennsy had any observation cars anyway) However the list price comparison between Lionel ABA red and AM green ABA with equivalent passenger car configurations, still works out to about 1 or 2 bills more for the AM than the Lionel. I'm talking list price to list price here without taking into consideration. But what is a couple hundred bucks when your talking a grand anyway and quality counts. For some Pennsy collectors, both options are possible. For others, choice is possible. For some others, they are priced out of the market. I understand what NYC, UP, SF and other passenger sets are going for on EBay but I'm also concerned about my future ability to buy these new sets when they start in the $1000 range let alone paying $600 for a steam engine even with all of the goodies. But in the meantime, you have all of us post-fifty year olds with kids out of college and retirement time who have this train habit and Lionel knows how to feed it. Looking at the snow outside and contemplating getting my snowblower working, maybe the best option is to liquidate and use the money for a downpayment on a house down in Florida. But on the other hand, I've got plenty of time to work on some kits whereas in Florida I'd have to walk the beach. Decisions, decisions. Regards, Snowed in in Mass Joe H -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:12 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New fifty year old diesels! As long as the molds remain in good shape and the prices for the old American Flyer diesels remain high, you'll see Lionel make the diesels they do. Lionel watches the collector market and makes what earns them the most money, an astute business practice. They did this when they started up again in O gauge under MPC and General Mills many years ago. They remade all the postwar stuff with new graphics and other minor changes. They sold it at collector prices and did very well because their business had become selling their past. Then MTH came on the scene and raised the bar. Open frame motors and fifty year old shells wouldn't cut it. Lionel knows they have to put some new product in the works these days. However, their track record is that they will warm over whatever old stuff they still can. By changing the truck sideframes and the graphics, Lionel has a "new" fifty year old diesel! And why not? They know these will sell! And in business, isn't THAT the name of the game? Stumpy Stone...the difference between a hobby and a business can be great...I guess that's why I'm not rich in Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34155	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix

If I understand the concept of a helix you need to have enough space between each turn of the helix to clear the height of the train which determins the grade, I need to find a formula to tell me what is an acceptable grade for old flyer and hirail equipment which will also tell me the diameter of helix as well. So far what I have come up with is the standard oval with a helix at each end, here is were it gets kinda funky I want to run a loop of O and a Loop of S not as hard as it sounds but while thinking it over I discoverd that on one deck the O gauge track would be out front and on the other deck The S would be out front, with this arrangement I could showcase each scale on differnt decks almost like having 2 layout in one. To get the maximum length of mainline track I could have a peninsula stick out about midways of the layout. I have not put much thought into the operations of the railroad as I am not into it that deep,for a first permanet layout I will be happy to have long stretchs of track with a few siddings for accessories and a passing siding.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34156	From: roy inman	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: UP Mikado

Dear list, Since Lionel is apparently going to produce a UP Mikado, and since I am into the 12 railroads that ran through Union Station Kansas City, (UP being one of the roads) that engine is a slam-dunk for me. Now the question for you rail gurus out there: did the UP run passenger and freight both with the Mike? Thanks in advance for replies. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34157	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: NASG convention

Hi All, We had 11+ inches of snow here last night, but I am thinking about the NASG convention in July! I was just talking to Gregg Miller. Among other things, Gregg mentioned that the "Tour De Tuna", the worldwide recognized bicycle race will be in town the same week as the NASG convention. I have just made my reservations at the convention hotel. Gregg mentioned that there already are 25 other NASG rooms reserved as well. Get the rooms while they last! Get the latest news on the convention here: http://www.amtma.org They should be posting the tour prices soon according to Gregg. I will be registering soon too. Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34158	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Photo Album space available S and Gilbert Folks..

My policy regarding photo albums at MyFlyerTrains.Org Photos of anything S related, American Flyer, S scale, high rail, even Sn3, whatever... Photos of anthing Gilbert related, American Flyer, Erector sets, magic sets, all photos related to original A.C. Gilbert fine, even prewar Gilbert and HO Gilbert. Photos of prototype railroading, that is 1/1 scale ;) A photo here and there of something a bit off topic is fine, but lets not have an album dedecated to your Aunt Minnie's wedding. ;) Anyone wanting an album, just email me for a username and password. I still have a vast amount of album space available. There is no limit to the amount of photos you can upload, as long as the guidelines above are followed... Thanks, Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34159	From: Phil K	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: American Flyer boxes -- "complete" list

For Stumpy and other interested parties -- From my own observations, notes and Flyer reference materials. Please provide input if you have anything to add or correct! American Flyer set boxes -- There were multitudinous sizes and shapes made by several different manufacturers, too many to list here. In later years, individual cars in sets were not packaged in individual boxes -- some were fitted into die-cut slots in inserts in flat "pizza-style" set boxes. Others were wrapped in brown paper in placed into the set box. Individual cardboard boxes: BLUE/YELLOW 1.) Blue printed box, yellow lettering. "Gilbert" in logo-typestyle above "American Flyer." Boxes say "Copyright 1940." Words "Challengers of the Miniature Rails" on top panel. Used from 1946 thru mid-1950s. 2.) Same info as above, except logo-typestyle "Gilbert" is on same line as "American Flyer." 3.) Box printed in yellow and blue. Words "American Flyer" in white letters. Copyright 1947. Used until late 1950s. End flap has words "another Gilbert Hall of Science product." 4.) Similar to above. Yellow and blue box. Yellow "American Flyer" outlined in thin blue ink. 5.) Same as above, except sides carry the phrase "developed at the Gilbert Hall of Science." 6.) Same as above, except "Copyright 1950" appears on box. Used until late 1950s. Sides say "another Gilbert Hall of Science product." 7.) Yellow and blue printed box, "American Flyer" in white letters. Sides say "Gilbert/another Hall of Science product." Copyright 1952, used with sets until latter 1950s. RED/WHITE 1.) Red printing on white cardboard box. Copyright 1955. Has word "Gilbert" on box top and sides. "3/16 Scale Train -- Real Two- Rail Track" on sides. 2.) Similar to above. No copyright date. Top has phrase "The Scale Model Line." Appeared in about 1960 and was used until around late 1963. WHITE BOXES Appeared in very late 1950s, no printing. Have not seen any with car number stamping, either. Found only in set boxes. I've heard some were sized to contain track, as well, but have never seen one. I don't know if this was another "economy" move or if Gilbert simply ran out of boxes while making up sets to dump excess inventory -- many sets were uncatalogued, and usually sold at prices at or below Gilbert's cost. KLEER-PAKs 1960-1961 -- 2" by 3" square plastic tube with black formed end caps. Caps were universal -- unusually well-designed to hold in place different car outlines. Came in a variety of lengths, depending on car style. White stamped letters on end caps. That's all I can find. Hope it helps. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34160	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel

Scans of the Flyonel from the 2005 catalog can be viewed at: http://www.mainlinehobbies.com/trains/lionel/index_8.html The Flyer starts at scan 115 and continues through scan 122 on the next page. This was posted recently on toytrains@yahoogroups.com Enjoy, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34161	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: New fifty year old diesels!

PRR had streamlined observation cars. They did not have an open platform, but modern and distinctly styled with enclosed observation car ends. There was more than one style. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> To: "'Stumpy Stone'" <mrstumpy@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New fifty year old diesels! > > > Yo Stumpy, > > I agree with you on reselling 50 year old Pas. > > As a comparison, I looked at the American Model Pennsy PAs and passenger > cars which I consider of much higher quality then the Lionel products. > Right now you can only get green Pennsy PA/PB/PA and not the red which is > out of stock in the PA/PB/PA configuration according to the AM website. It > only comes in a PA/PB, unless you are willing to go for a PA/PB/PB/PA > configuration which to some might be considered overkill. You could then get > the AM four car set with two more passenger cars but no observation cars > (don't think Pennsy had any observation cars anyway) However the list > price comparison between Lionel ABA red and AM green ABA with equivalent > passenger car configurations, still works out to about 1 or 2 bills more > for the AM than the Lionel. I'm talking list price to list price here > without taking into consideration. But what is a couple hundred bucks when > your talking a grand anyway and quality counts. > > For some Pennsy collectors, both options are possible. For others, choice is > possible. For some others, they are priced out of the market. I understand > what NYC, UP, SF and other passenger sets are going for on EBay but I'm > also concerned about my future ability to buy these new sets when they start > in the $1000 range let alone paying $600 for a steam engine even with all of > the goodies. > > But in the meantime, you have all of us post-fifty year olds with kids out > of college and retirement time who have this train habit and Lionel knows > how to feed it. > > Looking at the snow outside and contemplating getting my snowblower working, > maybe the best option is to liquidate and use the money for a downpayment on > a house down in Florida. But on the other hand, I've got plenty of time to > work on some kits whereas in Florida I'd have to walk the beach. Decisions, > decisions. > Regards, > Snowed in in Mass > Joe H > -----Original Message----- > From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:12 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New fifty year old diesels! > > > > > As long as the molds remain in good shape and the prices for the old > American Flyer diesels remain high, you'll see Lionel make the > diesels they do. Lionel watches the collector market and makes what > earns them the most money, an astute business practice. > They did this when they started up again in O gauge under MPC and > General Mills many years ago. They remade all the postwar stuff with > new graphics and other minor changes. They sold it at collector > prices and did very well because their business had become selling > their past. Then MTH came on the scene and raised the bar. Open > frame motors and fifty year old shells wouldn't cut it. > Lionel knows they have to put some new product in the works these > days. However, their track record is that they will warm over > whatever old stuff they still can. > By changing the truck sideframes and the graphics, Lionel has > a "new" fifty year old diesel! And why not? They know these will > sell! And in business, isn't THAT the name of the game? > Stumpy Stone...the difference between a hobby and a business can be > great...I guess that's why I'm not rich in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34162	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 23, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34163	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: helix calculator

Someone mention Helix? http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/helix/percent_grade.htm Here is a link to my helix calculator. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34164	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: grades

What % grade is beyond af/hirail operation? is anything under 3% good?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34165	From: David Avedesian	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix

Bruce: To determine the Percent of Grade, you take the rise (in inches) and divide it by the length of the run (in inches). For example: to get the minimum clearance for a Franklyn Engine you need 4.5" of clearance. If the run is 12 feet the Percent of Grade would be as follows: 4.5 inches/12 feet x 12"/foot x 100 = 3.125% To decrease the % of grade, you need to lengthen the run. Flyer engines with pullmore wheels almost can climb up a wall. The Flyer trestle kits have high percent of Grade. The change in rise is 3/8" per 10" of run or 3.75%. Please find attached two articles that a wrote about the design of my helix. There are two very important things to consider when designing your layout. The engines work harder going a curve and also when they go up hill. In a helix both are occurring at the same time. On my Boston & Maryland Railroad, I set the grade on the layout at 2.5% and in the helix at 2.3%. I wanted the trains to always be able to ride the helix. For the rest of your ideas for your layout, it sounds like you have a plan. I like the around the wall with a peninsula layout. I think it provides the most layout with the least amount of dead space. Have you given your layout a name? David Avedesian Silver Spring, MD Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From: bruce weidner [mailto:weidner@...] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:54 PM To: David Avedesian Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix If I understand the concept of a helix you need to have enough space between each turn of the helix to clear the height of the train which determins the grade, I need to find a formula to tell me what is an acceptable grade for old flyer and hirail equipment which will also tell me the diameter of helix as well. So far what I have come up with is the standard oval with a helix at each end, here is were it gets kinda funky I want to run a loop of O and a Loop of S not as hard as it sounds but while thinking it over I discoverd that on one deck the O gauge track would be out front and on the other deck The S would be out front, with this arrangement I could showcase each scale on differnt decks almost like having 2 layout in one. To get the maximum length of mainline track I could have a peninsula stick out about midways of the layout. I have not put much thought into the operations of the railroad as I am not into it that deep,for a first permanet layout I will be happy to have long stretchs of track with a few siddings for accessories and a passing siding. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34166	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/23/2005
Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix

Thanks everybody this realy helps. I was figureing for 72" for the O and 63" for the S. have no name yet. --- David Avedesian <david.avedesian@...> wrote: > > > Bruce: > > To determine the Percent of Grade, you take the rise > (in inches) and > divide it by the length of the run (in inches). > > For example: to get the minimum clearance for a > Franklyn Engine you > need 4.5" of clearance. If the run is 12 feet the > Percent of Grade > would be as follows: > > 4.5 inches/12 feet x 12"/foot x 100 = 3.125% > > To decrease the % of grade, you need to lengthen the > run. Flyer engines > with pullmore wheels almost can climb up a wall. > > The Flyer trestle kits have high percent of Grade. > The change in rise > is 3/8" per 10" of run or 3.75%. > > Please find attached two articles that a wrote about > the design of my > helix. > > There are two very important things to consider when > designing your > layout. The engines work harder going a curve and > also when they go up > hill. In a helix both are occurring at the same > time. > > On my Boston & Maryland Railroad, I set the grade on > the layout at 2.5% > and in the helix at 2.3%. I wanted the trains to > always be able to ride > the helix. > > For the rest of your ideas for your layout, it > sounds like you have a > plan. I like the around the wall with a peninsula > layout. I think it > provides the most layout with the least amount of > dead space. > > Have you given your layout a name? > > David Avedesian > Silver Spring, MD > Baltimore Area American Flyer Club > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bruce weidner [mailto:weidner@...] > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:54 PM > To: David Avedesian > Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Double deck layouts with Helix > > > If I understand the concept of a helix you need to > have enough space between each turn of the helix to > clear the height of the train which determins the > grade, I need to find a formula to tell me what is > an > acceptable grade for old flyer and hirail equipment > which will also tell me the diameter of helix as > well. > > So far what I have come up with is the standard oval > with a helix at each end, here is were it gets kinda > funky I want to run a loop of O and a Loop of S not > as > hard as it sounds but while thinking it over I > discoverd that on one deck the O gauge track would > be > out front and on the other deck The S would be out > front, with this arrangement I could showcase each > scale on differnt decks almost like having 2 layout > in > one. To get the maximum length of mainline track I > could have a peninsula stick out about midways of > the > layout. I have not put much thought into the > operations of the railroad as I am not into it that > deep,for a first permanet layout I will be happy to > have long stretchs of track with a few siddings for > accessories and a passing siding. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34167	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Grade

I have a 4% grade on my layout and have no problems. As we discussed here several weeks ago you have to be careful whenever you change grade to make sure you have a smooth transition to prevent derailments. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34168	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Sticking AF switches

I recently have found that some of my lesser used AF switches seem to have a "frozen" frog when left idle for several weeks. I can hardly move the frog by hand, but once I do all seems fine for a while anyway. All the switches have been bench tested, cleaned and lubricated several years back. Any thoughts on why? V. Neimanis Ottawa Canada P.S. Not it can not be the Canadian cold weather ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34169	From: velapoldi	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Flyonel

Hi all: Is the PA PA-PB combination an "all new innovative designs" as they claim? Oh well, too bad it isn't TMCC. Someone also mentioned that they were producing the package loader and boxcar (which they have illustrated); are they also going to produce the operating baggage car - I thought someone mentioned that in an earlier e-mail, however I don't see it listed. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Don Abrams wrote: >Scans of the Flyonel from the 2005 catalog can be viewed at: >http://www.mainlinehobbies.com/trains/lionel/index_8.html >The Flyer starts at scan 115 and continues through scan 122 on the next >page. >This was posted recently on toytrains@yahoogroups.com >Enjoy, >Don > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34170	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer boxes -- "complete" list

Phil's listing is about as complete a sorting out of this data as I've seen anywhere.....Thanks, Phil. I can confirm, however, that the plain white boxes were often stamped with the car contents (e.g, I know I have one for the Gilbert 5-digit operating milk car.....I didn't go looking to see what else I have), and that they DID use plain white boxes for track as well(12 sections per box, as usual). -----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- <<<WHITE BOXES Appeared in very late 1950s, no printing. Have not seen any with car number stamping, either. Found only in set boxes. I've heard some were sized to contain track, as well, but have never seen one.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34171	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Flyonel - Reward the quality but not the junk

I am extremely pleased to see Lionel come out with new, quality products like the Mikado. Now that they have announced the Southern Mikado (presumably locomotive 4501) I guess I will have to back off my claim that I would never buy another Flyonel locomotive again. My purchase will be a reward for Lionel producing an AF product that is of high quality and what this consumer wants. However, when I see all the scanned pictures of other products, I am instantly struck by the poor graphics of the Pennsy passenger cars, the incorrect height of the PAs, and the remembrance of how junky the old line of Flyonel rolling stock is compared to the products made by AM and SHS. Someone posted a message about the appeal of nostalgia and I think that is the only thing Flyonel has going for it on the old junky products. (I use junky in the context of the available competing products, not as an insult to the AC Gilbert line of AF products which were wonderful in the context of the 1950's era). I suggest that anyone considering purchasing the Flyonel Pennsyvania passenger set take time to explore the options available on the American Models website. First, the Budd passenger cars are about as high quality in appearance and operation as anything is likely to ever be that will run on Flyer curves. And the Flyonel graphics do not come close to the quality of the American Models cars. Second, look at the Pennsyvania PAs and compare them with the Flyonel. No comparison in looks or performance. Then look at all the other options for Pennsy passenger power from E8s to GG1s to streamlined steam. In conclusion, I suggest that you invest in the quality products from Flyonel that you truly want but do not invest in the junk. Please note that I am speak from an operator's viewpoint and not that of a collector. - Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34172	From: roy inman	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Digest Number 2366

I observed and operated the NYC Mikado at a local hobby shop. And I have concluded, from that limited experience at least, that the engine works best only with the Lionel TMCC cab controller and attendant electronics. My O gauge buddies say the same is true of other recent Lionel O gauge equipment. So what I am suggesting, is perhaps that some-not all-but some of the operating problems may have been due to the "nature of the beast," and that perhaps the modelers using the Mikado do not have TMCC. Lionel no doubt planned it that way thereby to sell more TMCC units. Roy Inman on 1/24/05 11:40 AM, Rollain Mercier at raleigh@... wrote: > > It's made by Lionel but marketed as American Flyer. Thus it is 1/64th scale > with oversized flanges. From what I've seen it is an excellent model, > though some operating problems exist. It's a bit pricey but it does have > possibilities for a full scale conversion. One recently sold on eBay if you > want a look: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34173	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring engines

At a recent trains show in Deland Florida, a vendor had just about every steam engine that Gilbert American Flyer produced. Each engine looked brand new, in inquiring of the vendor I said, how did you get these engines to look brand new, to my amazement he used a short hair soft brush with Armorall and they look just super, I came home and did it to two of my 7 AF steamers and to my amazement they look brand new. My question is will that hurt the value of the engine, it isn't repainting it is just protectind the finish and giving the engines a restored look. I value your comments. Jerry Matsick --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34174	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: LED lamps

Having just gotten inspired by and advertisement for an 18-LED replacement bulb for a standard lamp socket (Edison screw type) it got me wondering about LED replacement lamps for American Flyer stuff. Has anyone ever tried replacing a lamp with an LED? Would it be easiest to just replace a single lamp with a dual LED (alternating current and all). I saw a project online to make a simple replacement for a flashlight bulb (http://www.pbase.com/dloftus/led_flashlight_bulb). What about building a bridge rectifier out of LEDs? Would that be better? Or better yet, does anyone manufacture something like this? James Klaas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34175	From: jmatsick	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Restoration Question

This past weekend went to the Deland Florida train show, I came across a vendor with just about every steam engine that American Flyer Gilbert released. They all looked brand new, I asked the vendor what did you do to these engines are the repainted? The vendor said no, he uses 'Armorall' to restore the finish and they really look great. My question doing this process, a soft short hair brush dipping in armorall and brushing on engine, does it devalue or hurt the price of the engine. I came home and did it to two of my engines an Atlantic and a Hudson and they look like "brand new". appreciate comments on the engine restoration process? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34176	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question

**(((The vendor said no, he uses 'Armorall' to restore the finish and they really look great.)))*** An older fella that worked on my 282 some time ago used Amorall on it, and it did look nice. I have used it on a couple of 650 coach tops......and I did apply it to just the coal in a tender on my 21085. HOWEVER,.....some have the opinion this is NOT a good practice. I've always wondered, and have asked before, and have forgotten the answer..... what did AF steam locos look like when NEW ? Or AF coaches for that matter... were they shiny when new? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34177	From: paflyrman	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Mikado Squeek

After about an hour of running my new Mikado it has developed a squeek that I cannot locate. It comes from the loco (not the tender), and is present in forward only. I have lubed everything in the manual and then some, and still it persists. Has anyone else encountered this, and how did you eliminate it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34178	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question

Steam locos were NOT shiny, and unpainted plastic coaches were shiny (sic., glossy) when new. Cheap unpainted black steam engines were fairly glossy. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/24/2005 4:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, bassflyer@... writes: .... what did AF steam locos look like when NEW ? Or AF coaches for that matter...were they shiny when new? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34179	From: doug_cnw	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Red Plastic Smokestack

Does anyone know the thread size on the end of the plastic smokestack that screws into the smoke chest?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34180	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Digest Number 2366

Yes, mostly. See my review (S-Trains Archive #33591/4) posted 1/1/2005. If one does run conventionally, be sure to install the 9v RailSounds battery in the tender. If one is to obtain the benefit of all the features in the new AF Mikado (or any TMCC engine, for that matter) the modest investment in a TMCC command base and Cab-1 is required. After three weeks, my sample of the B&O Mikado continues to run, sound, and smoke very, very well (with TMCC). As break-in has been fully accomplished, the first speed step of the 32 via Cab-1 has gotten smoother, as well. I haven't had this much unalloyed fun with a brand new S gauge engine since the 1950s. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/24/2005 3:06:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: I observed and operated the NYC Mikado at a local hobby shop. And I have concluded, from that limited experience at least, that the engine works best only with the Lionel TMCC cab controller and attendant electronics. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34181	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: restoration using armorall

i checked with a retired cleaner expert on advisability of using armorall on af trains. she said that at least til 2000, armorall contained silicone. this is anathema to paint sticking and is slightly reactive. a better product to use would be wd-40, as it is eclusively a very pure isoparrafin solvent which doesnt react easily and will eventually volitalize, leaving no harmful residue. however, my persolal opinion is that armorall is ok for unpainted surfaces like 650 roofs as long as its applied outside or where no painting would be done. i sure wouldnt use it on anything painted. and to comment on ricks question on new af locos, id say the painted ones were almost dull, and the unpainted ones sure didnt have any special shine to them. dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34182	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Restoration Question

Jerry, this will devalue any Am. Flyer if it is already in excellent condition. The original finish of most engines was a satin black finish. Serious collectors wont buy an engine that has be touched up, covered up with some glossy stuff like Armorall. Armorall is not good for anything really. If you want to clean a black engine, use a weak solution of dish soap with a soft toothbrush. Towel dry or air dry. Never use a hot hair dryer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34183	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: To the person who wanted to buy a new Mikado, or anyone who wants o

I made some new friends at the "Toy Train Shop" in Anaheim, CA. Very nice people, Michael (son) and Don(father) De Simone/ owners. They have one Mikado in their store for sale. E-Mail== Toytrainshop@... Phone number: 714-991-1040 I noticed a post last week where someone wanted to buy one and just wanted to let them know that this shop would love to sell you theirs. Sue Bowman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34184	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Restoration Question

Rick, painted AF coaches should have a satin finish to the paint, were not shiny. Unpainted plastic or Bakelite have a shiny look to them. Some painted cars may look shiny, but this is due a lot of handling. This is the case with steam and most diesel engines. The black on the 3 digit NH PAs is glossy, the 5 digit NH PA has a satin black finish. The 499 NH electric has glossy black, but the 5 digit comes with either glossy or satin black, (one went with the freight set, the other with the orange stripe passenger cars). As does the 5 digit Central of Georgia box car. NP passenger cars have a glossy green paint. So do the PAs. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34185	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: continued story of the Mikado vs Poodle train Wreck

Hello my new friends Well good news, Mindy of the "Train Shack" in Burbank, CA called us and imformed us that the broken bell housing in "not" repairable and is part of the engine frame itself. The good news is that Lionel hs some engine housings left in stock and is sending Mindy one for me. So, we lucked out big time. Beware, do not let your standard poodle jump over the train with a blanket as the poodle will win the battle unscared but the train gets mortally wounded. From now on, the engine gets picked up off of the table after each use. ROFLMAO Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34186	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question

Armorall also comes in a semi-gloss or satin finish. Just my 2 cents Not a recommendation. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34187	From: jaytewilli	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Red Plastic Smokestack

I believe its a 10-32 NF -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doug_cnw" <dwyatt@o...> wrote: > > > Does anyone know the thread size on the end of the plastic > smokestack that screws into the smoke chest?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34188	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Spam

Hi Guy"S" I hope this is not taken the wrong way. Yes this is important because it involves S e-mail. I realy appericiate the S gauge e-mail I get. However I get a lot of spam from unknown sources. I created a spam folder to send spam to. I report all this spam to my internet server all at once. I don't want to accidentaly report an "S" gauger as sending spam. Please oh please, add something to your subject line that indicates you are sending train mail. otherwise it may be mistaken as spam. For instance a subject line reading as "Trees" will be mistaken as spam. "Miniature trees" would not "S" trees " would not "Check this out" spam ! " S Check this out" not spam. I like train e-mail and do not want to miss anything. Swing and sway the s gauge way Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34189	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Subject Line

Since Ironhorse brought it up - and thank you for doing so - I, too, find a great deal of information from S-trains of great value. I DO NOT get the spam, but I spent a looong time sorting through 2-3 weeks of S-trains messages - placing them in folders that I could refer back to when I might have the need. Problem? The subject lines are virtually all the same, meaning when I want to find Technical help (one of the file folders I created) I won't be able to tell what subject on Technical help that each file addresses. I'll have to open each one until I find the info I'm needing. As one of the new kids on the block, I don't want to complain - but if anything can be done to give the Subject Line a more specific topic, that would be great for this old saver of just about everything. That's my 2¢. Thanks for any consideration you can give to it. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34190	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Two questions

Hi Everyone, First.....does any think there will be delays again with the 2005 AF? I know it is hard to predict but what would you guess? It could mean that I can order one thing, or a couple of things depending on delivery dates. Second, have any of you seen www.williardanimations.com? They have animations for O Gauge and some of them are pretty nice but expensive. There has to be a source for the motors they use or some plans available that could be adapted to S. I would really like to add some of these things to put some movement on the layout other that just the trains. Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34191	From: roy inman	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Two questions

Gene, and others, According my local hobby shop owner, who deals mostly in O gauge, Lionel is usually pretty accurate in their delivery projections (unlike MTH). That is not say they wouldn't cancel a particular item even though it had been cataloged. Concerning animations, there is a modeler right here in the Kansas City area who does an amazing job creating animate scenes, some of which are unique. He had done a commercially-available video for sale. Can't recall his name right now, but I'll check with Norm at the hobby shop tomorrow and post the information for you and anyone else interested. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:23:54 -0500 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Two questions > > > > Hi Everyone, > > First.....does any think there will be delays again with the 2005 AF? I know > it is hard to predict but what would you guess? It could mean that I can order > one thing, or a couple of things depending on delivery dates. > > Second, have any of you seen www.williardanimations.com? They have animations > for O Gauge and some of them are pretty nice but expensive. There has to be a > source for the motors they use or some plans available that could be adapted > to S. I would really like to add some of these things to put some movement on > the layout other that just the trains. > > Thanks! > > Gene > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34192	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Willard Animations

Craig Willard (of www.willardanimations.com - to correct the URL) has been a supporter of our club for many years. He helps us organize our layout display at the Shriners Childrens Hospital in Philadelphia each year. Craig's problems with building his modules in 'S' is the lack of appropriate 'S' scale figures. We worked out a deal with him where we supplied the figures and detail items, and he built an appropriately scaled animated work-gang module for our layout. If you contact him, I'm sure you can work out something with him along these lines. Michael >Message: 24 > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:23:54 -0500 > From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> >Subject: Two questions > > >Hi Everyone, > ... > >Second, have any of you seen www.williardanimations.com? They have >animations for O Gauge and some of them are pretty nice but expensive. >There has to be a source for the motors they use or some plans available >that could be adapted to S. I would really like to add some of these >things to put some movement on the layout other that just the trains. > >Thanks! > >Gene > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34193	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Air Vent?

Near the back of the top of the AF Alco diesels is a little square black piece that I think I've seen called the "air vent" - is that correct? What purpose did it serve on the real engines? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34194	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: FREE STUFF (SORT OF)

I have a couple of Lionel 3 rail switch controllers & a controller of some sort. Free to the first person that wants to pay $4 for shipping. Also I'll kick in a sample of my smoke fluid !! Mike PS: E-mail me off list & I'll post when they are gone ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34195	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2551

James, It is a great idea. You cannot use LEDs for bridge diodes because most of them can't stand the reverse voltage or forward current needed. If You use a bridge rectifier to produce DC and a dropping resistor to protect the LED, you can use a white LED for a headlight. If you put a constant voltage or current circuit after the bridge rectifier, you can have a constant brightness white LED headlight. Thanks for the link to the flashlight idea. I may have to convert some of mine. Go for it! Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennseess At 03:02 AM 1/25/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:04:10 -0000 > From: "jimbogodofunix" <jimbogodofunix@...> >Subject: LED lamps > > > >Having just gotten inspired by and advertisement for an 18-LED >replacement bulb for a standard lamp socket (Edison screw type) it got >me wondering about LED replacement lamps for American Flyer stuff. > >Has anyone ever tried replacing a lamp with an LED? Would it be >easiest to just replace a single lamp with a dual LED (alternating >current and all). I saw a project online to make a simple >replacement for a flashlight bulb >(http://www.pbase.com/dloftus/led_flashlight_bulb). > >What about building a bridge rectifier out of LEDs? Would that be >better? > >Or better yet, does anyone manufacture something like this? > >James Klaas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34196	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/24/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches

I have never lubricated mine. But then, I've only had them for a little over fifty years. Should I be lubricating them? If so, how and with what? Or is that perhaps why those are sticking? "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> wrote: I recently have found that some of my lesser used AF switches seem to have a "frozen" frog when left idle for several weeks. I can hardly move the frog by hand, but once I do all seems fine for a while anyway. All the switches have been bench tested, cleaned and lubricated several years back. Any thoughts on why? V. Neimanis Ottawa Canada P.S. Not it can not be the Canadian cold weather ;-) S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34197	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Sticking AF switches

Any moving part on any train item should be regularly lubricated. This practice extends the life of the following; electric coils armatures and fields engine frame axle bushings Any moving part that is related to any of these items is directly affected if not moving freely from lack of lubrication. Try a squirt of CRC 2-26 on the coil rod, frog pivot stud, and frog lock, and you will see a huge difference in the operation of those switches. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34198	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Restoring AF and Armor All

Hi all, Actually restoring anything and armor-all. IMHO DON"T DO IT!! Reason: The product contains silicone. Silicone acts as a stress-relief agent on plastics. This release of stress allows the stress to concentrate and crack the plastic(plastic develops molding stresses during the injection and cooling process). The silicone also makes it very difficult to paint or decal the piece later on too. For evidence, I have seen many plastic (and some ivory) piano keys that were fine, but are now completely crazed. The effect doesn't happen immediately, it takes time. The previous posts about finishes sounded right to me, except for the unpainted plastic and the late production items, rolling stock was a satin finish.(well, the chrome ones were glossy!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34199	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches

hi,i have found that the little spring loaded pivot point which looks like a metal triangle is usually the problem,i spray this area with contach cleaner to clean out any dirt that may have gottten into it,then if needed a small drop of greaseless lube on the sides of this triangle usually makes them work like new. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticking AF switches > > > I have never lubricated mine. But then, I've only had them for a little over fifty years. Should I be lubricating them? If so, how and with what? Or is that perhaps why those are sticking? > > > > "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> wrote: > > > I recently have found that some of my lesser used AF switches seem to > have a "frozen" frog when left idle for several weeks. I can hardly > move the frog by hand, but once I do all seems fine for a while anyway. > All the switches have been bench tested, cleaned and lubricated several > years back. Any thoughts on why? > > V. Neimanis > Ottawa Canada > > P.S. Not it can not be the Canadian cold weather ;-) > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34200	From: Randy Burton	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches

I have 10 operating AF switches on my layout, and have repaired several of them from "sticking" problems. Open up the underside and look at a spring loaded piece of metal that holds the switch in one position or the other. This piece is shaped somewhat like a house - a box with a V shaped top. There's a pointy shaped piece of metal that moves horizontally against this house shaped piece of metal. The pointy shaped piece of metal will over the years cut a groove in the spring loaded house shaped piece. This groove can be rough and can cause the pointy piece to stick. That's the bad news. The good news is that the groove is not cut into the middle - it's off center. So, turn the house shaped piece of metal upside down, and the pointy piece will now be rubbing agianst a new part of the house shaped piece. Be sure to use a little light oil on the moving parts. Don't forget the frame that slides back and forth moving the green or red filter in front of the light. These can sometimes get a little sticky too. A little light oil seems to fix this problem. I've never needed to replace one of the "house" shaped pieces, so I don't know if any of the various reproduction parts suppliers out there (Doug Peck, Joe Haenn) have them. But, since the original piece in it's original orientation lasted about 50 years, I'm guessing it will last about another 50 years oriented upside down. Randy Burton BurtonRA@... Charlotte, NC >From: "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> >Subject: Sticking AF switches > > >I recently have found that some of my lesser used AF switches seem to >have a "frozen" frog when left idle for several weeks. I can hardly >move the frog by hand, but once I do all seems fine for a while anyway. >All the switches have been bench tested, cleaned and lubricated several >years back. Any thoughts on why? > >V. Neimanis >Ottawa Canada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34201	From: Randy Burton	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: LED lamps

Miniatronics makes some LEDs specifically for use as headlights in model RR applications, and LEDs for a bunch of other modelling applications. Check their web site: www.miniatronics.com I have not tried any of their LEDs for headlights, but I've ordered several things from them and have been a very happy customer. (I'm not affiliated with them in any way - just a happy customer.) I know they have quite a few products not listed on their web site, so if you don't see exactly what you want, you might want to try giving them a call. Click on "Contact Us" on their web site for phone numbers and other info. Randy Burton BurtonRA@... Charlotte, NC >From: "jimbogodofunix" <jimbogodofunix@...> >Subject: LED lamps > > > >Having just gotten inspired by and advertisement for an 18-LED >replacement bulb for a standard lamp socket (Edison screw type) it got >me wondering about LED replacement lamps for American Flyer stuff. > >Has anyone ever tried replacing a lamp with an LED? Would it be >easiest to just replace a single lamp with a dual LED (alternating >current and all). I saw a project online to make a simple >replacement for a flashlight bulb >(http://www.pbase.com/dloftus/led_flashlight_bulb). > >What about building a bridge rectifier out of LEDs? Would that be >better? > >Or better yet, does anyone manufacture something like this? > >James Klaas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34202	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: O guage Lamplighter $510

www.willardanimations.com If you think we are nuts look at this web site. I tell the Lionel guys they will buy just about any thing. Still catch up with Gabe. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34203	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Air Vent?

Greetings All; It is the exhaust stack for the steam generator (boiler) that provided steam to heat, and in some cases steam activated air conditioning, to passenger equipment. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: Robert Graves Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:08:21 -0800 To: s-trains list Subject: [S-Trains] Air Vent? Near the back of the top of the AF Alco diesels is a little square black piece that I think I've seen called the "air vent" - is that correct? What purpose did it serve on the real engines? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34204	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: LED lamps

OK, I actually found a source for direct replacements: http://www.autolumination.com/trainbulbs.htm Has anyone ordered from these guys? Has any one heard of them? James --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Burton" <BurtonRA@c...> wrote: > > Miniatronics makes some LEDs specifically for use as headlights in model RR applications, and LEDs for a bunch of other modelling applications. Check their web site: > www.miniatronics.com > > I have not tried any of their LEDs for headlights, but I've ordered several things from them and have been a very happy customer. (I'm not affiliated with them in any way - just a happy customer.) > > I know they have quite a few products not listed on their web site, so if you don't see exactly what you want, you might want to try giving them a call. Click on "Contact Us" on their web site for phone numbers and other info. > > Randy Burton > BurtonRA@c... > Charlotte, NC > > >From: "jimbogodofunix" <jimbogodofunix@y...> > >Subject: LED lamps > > > > > > > >Having just gotten inspired by and advertisement for an 18-LED > >replacement bulb for a standard lamp socket (Edison screw type) it got > >me wondering about LED replacement lamps for American Flyer stuff. > > > >Has anyone ever tried replacing a lamp with an LED? Would it be > >easiest to just replace a single lamp with a dual LED (alternating > >current and all). I saw a project online to make a simple > >replacement for a flashlight bulb > >(http://www.pbase.com/dloftus/led_flashlight_bulb). > > > >What about building a bridge rectifier out of LEDs? Would that be > >better? > > > >Or better yet, does anyone manufacture something like this? > > > >James Klaas > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34205	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Showcase Line 2-8-0 Artwork

Don received the artwork for the AT&SF 2-8-0 for final approve, and thought folks might be interested to see it. Its posted here: http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/2-8-0%20AT&SF.jpg Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34206	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: FREE STUFF IS GONE

Sorry they went fast, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34207	From: Bruce	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Blow Dryer

OK, I'll bite. What's wrong with using a blow dryer, assuming it isn't hot enough to warp the plastic? - Bruce Willis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@a... wrote: > > > Jerry, this will devalue any Am. Flyer if it is already in excellent > condition. The original finish of most engines was a satin black finish. Serious > collectors wont buy an engine that has be touched up, covered up with some > glossy stuff like Armorall. Armorall is not good for anything really. > If you want to clean a black engine, use a weak solution of dish soap > with a soft toothbrush. Towel dry or air dry. Never use a hot hair dryer. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34208	From: Al Poklis	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Question about removing motor

I have a 21206 diesel flyer .Is not running . I would like to remove the motor to look at the brushes ,field, ect. The motor is held in with a metal bar going through the plastic frame .I'm afraid to bend the plastic too far and having it brake . Does anyone have any tips for removing the motor. Thanks Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34209	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2005
Subject: Re: Restoration Question

Al, I think I have seen this one other time. Probably late production on the satin finished 495. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34210	From: T Larson	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: CAUTION

Some of you include your e-mail address on your Yahoo Profile page. CAUTION: these profile pages are available to the public. Therefore your e-mail address and any other info on the profile page is available to the public.......... and to spammers. Perhaps you don't want to put so much information there. Mine is quite empty! http://profiles.yahoo.com/mhrre -- Ted Larson Organ donation is a no-brainer http://www.organdonor.gov/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34211	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Re: LED lamps

I have done business with them in the past and had no problem. Vinny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34212	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: A new look at "L" Mikado

Wow! All my doubts and concerns about this baby went right out the window 30 seconds after I turned on the new Trainmaster command control I bought. I am in Carl Tuveson's corner all the way now. It smokes like fury, the crew to tower talk is incredible, the brakes squealing as you bring it to a stop, the multi tone whistle and much more are just too much fun. I highly recommend that you get the TMCC as soon as you can so that you may truly appreciate what this baby can do. It is so easy to hook up. I just clipped a jumper wire with alligator clip to the base post of my ZW and the other end to the post on the command base, put 4 AA batteries in the CAB controller and your off and running. You can take this with you anywhere you go OK, so now I have 5 operating systems on my layout. Not an issue with this easily set up system, and I didn't have to disconnect any of the others. Wow, Wow, Wow! Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34213	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Re: 312 Maintance

I would use twezzers to remove the debris. I have been known to remove the wheels and axels to do a realy good job. But only when all other methods fail. Replacing the wheels on the axel is tricky. The wheel must go on exactly the way it came off, otherwise it will bind with the connecting wheel. I won't mention that I use Gasoline (outdoors) to clean gunk from between the axels and wheels. Wouldn't want anyone to catch fire. Anyway after using the forbidden solvent. I use an air gun to finish the job before the solvent drys. Use a different solvent that will do the same job. Not acetone as this will ruin plastic parts. Roger flyerbuddy wrote: > >Hi all, > > Got a 312 off of e-bay recently. Needs a real good going over. I >took the cow catcher off the front by removing only one screw. This >thing has all sorts of debris wrapped around the wheels. I'm looking >for some of you more experienced guys to give me suggestions on the >best way to clean them. And how would you replace wheels if you had >to? > Thanks for any help!! > > Flyerbuddy > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34214	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: [S trains] #650 passenger car questions

I would like to do maintenance on # 650 passenger cars. The "Complete Service Manual ....." by K-line does not have a place for 650s. Please advise. 1 What is the part # for the windows on a #650? 2 Does anyone make them with silouttes of people? 3 What is the part # for the pins that hold the body onto the frame? 4 The manual calls for a 444 bulb. Are ther any other designation for this bulb? (ie: 2.5v) Thanks for the help. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34215	From: chasesmithus	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Kaslo N5C PRR cabin car

For a look at the kit assembled, painted, ready for window glass and CDS dry transfers look at the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- Trains/ and click on the photo album titled Chuck's Layout. The red looks a little garish but I'm trying for a look I remember from the 50's. They haven't always been tuscan.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34216	From: Ironhorse	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Re: Sticking AF switches

More than likely the solvent has gummed up caused by hair or old dust in by the pivot pin where you can' t see it. You need to use a solvent to break down the old grease. A dry graphite powder is the best lubricant because dust and hair can't stick to it.. Neimanis,V. [NCR] wrote: >I recently have found that some of my lesser used AF switches seem to >have a "frozen" frog when left idle for several weeks. I can hardly >move the frog by hand, but once I do all seems fine for a while anyway. >All the switches have been bench tested, cleaned and lubricated several >years back. Any thoughts on why? > >V. Neimanis >Ottawa Canada > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34217	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Kaslo N5C PRR cabin car (corrected link)

Use the link below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chasesmithus" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Kaslo N5C PRR cabin car > > > > For a look at the kit assembled, painted, ready for window glass and > CDS dry transfers look at the link > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > and click on the photo album titled Chuck's Layout. The link got incorrectly wrapped in the original email. > > The red looks a little garish but I'm trying for a look I remember > from the 50's. They haven't always been tuscan. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34218	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Mikado Is Grade A

The Mikado is Grade A. The Mikado arrived last week. I have been very busy shoveling out the snow here in MA. We have snow drifts that go up to the roofs of houses. I just wanted to let everyone know that the Mikado is really remarkable. The Mikado and tender are highly detailed; there are even chains on the tender trucks! You really have to see it to believe it. The Mikado has old fashioned looks and charm. Lionel will be making at least two more roadnames (UP and Southern). Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34219	From: uvl97222	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Parts!

I picked up some parts on ebay, and today they came in the mail. I was right there was a complete 314 AW tender in all the parts! I just need to put it back in working order. Lets here it for parts! I now have four of them. :) Clayton S. D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34220	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Bell Danger Signal Repair

Greetings! Many thanks for all the suggestions! The following is a list of things to try and the results of experiments to improve the volume of the "bell". -Remove bell and check for cracks. I polished the bell (hand drill and buffing wheel) and checked it with a magnifying glass. I understand these can be soldered, replaced (parts dealers), or a 3/4 copper end cap substituted. -Remove clapper, polish base and clean solenoid cylinder. You can adjust clapper travel by adding rubber disks (old inner tube and hole punch). Must be some rubber in bottom of solenoid base to dampen solenoid/clapper sound. To many disks shortens clapper travel and volume decreases. Adding weight to clapper, various lengths of florist wire wound around clapper "neck", did not improve volume. -Bell support arm rivit needs to be tight to keep the bell in optimun position. -Install the bell, 1/4" 4x40 nut and bolt, and adjust over clapper. Optimun volume came with the clapper striking the bell in the center, front to back and just off center, side to side. Adjust the distance from clapper to bell by bending the support arm for optimun sound. -Installing the house reduced my bell"s volume. After experimenting with a variety of materials to seperate the house from the fibre base and platform, Electrical wire insulation produce the best results. Cut a 1/16 " piece of insulation from #12 wire and slide it over the tabs on the house. This was a simpler application then slitting the insulation and putting it over the sides of the base of the house. The white insulation was a bit thicker then the black and held the house in place without bending the tabs. Yellow paint made the white insulation "disappear". I also tried wire insulation slit lengthwise and placed it on the wall tops, the peaks and both to check impact with roof in place. There was no noticeable difference. -At this point I tried the copper end cap. A acceptable sound with just a bit less volume. I hope the above will be helpful in bringing back the "ring". Good luck and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34221	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Northern AF

Hi I had a talk with a marketing guy who told me to call him collect in 1985. I think he said they had spent a great deal of money ($100,000) to bring out an AF engine only to find out that people could buy the originals all day for up to $300 so why would they want to buy a repo for a lot more. Great research?? I told him that all they needed to do was the dockside because there never was a good one that ran and they were expensive for a cheep engine. I told him I need the Northern cars and they would not sell them separate. I said it looked like they did not want to sell any. That all Flyer seems to be order mail order and why would someone want to buy a $800 train that they never get to see in person. That the prices are so high and all the Hobby Shops are all Lionel and they do not have the capital to buy Lionel so why would they stock AF? I told him to get out the ABA with optional B and 2 extra cars and see how long it would run around his desk if they had any track to run it on. I told him about the O gauger Trucks on the AF and that he should put S trucks on the Lionel to see if they would like it. That the coupler height was a problem. That he could get free consulting from any big AF collector. That I can't wait 10 years for a Santa Fe caboose when they only make one road name a year. See they do not believe we run them. Just put them on the shelf. Best Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34223	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Kadee coupler, Track, and AF questions

Since this list is great for getting questions answered, I have several: Does anybody know where to get an S scale Kadee coupler height gauge? It's been claimed that Kadee H-O couplers are the correct size for S gauge. Does anybody here use them? I am considering changing the AF compatible couplers on some non-AF cars plus a few AF cars that I converted with K-Line trucks. Kadee H-O couplers are much cheaper than S gauge ones, I'm sure. Does anyone here use both S Helper Track and American Models track? If you do, can they be used together without problems? I bought some of the S Trax from American Models last week and replaced some Gargraves track with it. Now the trains run so fine on it that I would dearly love to tear out all the rest of the Gargraves and American Flyer track on the layout and replace it with S Trax. But there are no diamonds (crossings) available in S Trax yet, so I was considering an American Models one, and if nothing else I could probably use an AF crossing. Many years ago there were frames made to convert AF boxcars, stock cars, or reefers for scale trucks. Are those made anymore? Would an AF 21085 made in 1959 have metal drivers or plastic? And finally, was a five digit (24796) orange stripe coach ever made? The Greenberg guide lists one, and so does an AF catalog (1959, I think). But I've never seen one. Does the super rare 24794 have a red stripe or orange stripe? I've been thinking about these for a while. I finally got caught up on reading the digests, so thought that I would ask. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34224	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Box for 21140???

Yep! It's original alright. Checked the one I have for my 21139 and it is 14 1/2" long as well but no where near as nice as this one....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Box for 21140??? > > > This is said to be an original box for a 21140 Northern. But it is > only 14-1/2 inches long. The wheel imprints don't look like a > Northern, either, at least to my eye. > > How could this be? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5951916252 > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34225	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Kadee

My attempt to address some questions from, Mike Vana Omaha, NE Does anybody know where to get an S scale Kadee coupler height gauge? I got mine for the NASG. You can get it with either a Kadee #5 or 802. It's been claimed that Kadee H0 couplers are the correct size for S gauge. Does anybody here use them? I think they are. I use Kadee #5's or some member from the #5 (#46-#49) on all my new equipment form AM & SHS. I also convert some Flyer to #5's. And price-- there is no comparison-- it's about 3 to 1. For uncoupling, I use the 308 under track magnet with no modifications to the couplers. Does anyone here use both S Helper Track and American Models track? If you do, can they be used together without problems? Yes, I just line them up. I bought some of the S Trax from American Models last week and replaced some Gargraves track with it. Now the trains run so fine on it that I would dearly love to tear out all the rest of the Gargraves and American Flyer track on the layout and replace it with S Trax. That's what happened to me, again with either AM or SHS track, there is no looking back when it comes to performance or looks. And cleaning the rail-- by comparison, all I did was clean the Flyer/Gargraves. With AM and SHS, I need only clean the track where the rat ran over it (don't ask, he's was my son's pet). But there are no diamonds (crossings) available in S Trax yet, so I was considering an American Models one, and if nothing else I could probably use an AF crossing. I make a crossing that matches the AM #4 frog angle. Check them out at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album33 Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34226	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: some answers

(a) Phil....the box is for the 21140 boiler only.....tender was packed separately.....so, yes, it fits. (b) Bill.... 650 cars did not have silhouette windows. If that's what you want, you need to take 960-series windows, and cut-&-paste. However, SOME 650 cars had a silhouette INSERT. Behind the clear windows was a fold-over (much like current Lnl AF cars have) paper insert with silhouettes printed on it. There was a hole in the top, above the bulb,for heat to escape(?). We have repros of that sheet, as well as the 960-series windows. (c) I don't recall the part number, but you are referring to the brass chassis pins....same as used on boxcar floors. They are available. (d) The proper bulb for the passenger cars is a clear 432 bulb....available. (e)Mike--- Kadee coupler ht gauge....NASG markets them. Check nasg.org, and click on the "Clearing House". MANY "highrailers" use the Kadee couplers! For the most part, either #802, or #5.....but you should take a look at the new already-assembled Kadee-style couplers from SHS....they are catching on fast....and you won't lose springs during assembly! (f) S-Trax and AM track will mate, as long as you shim properly underneath. AM rail is slightly taller (code 148) than SHS (code 125). (g) ACE boxcar floors, and other parts, are not currently made. MMT, the current owner of the line, is for sale.......wanta buy a business???? However, if you know what you want, let me know; I just bought a large stock of ACE parts (from the Russ Downs era) from an estate. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34227	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Mikado Battery

Does anyone have experience with the J and W Electronics "battery component replacement"? The ad says Lionel needs an additional circuit along with this component. Is there room in the Mikado tender to make the conversion to batteryless? On another note, the First Quarter 2005 "The Sentiinel" publication of the B&O RR Historical Society has a short article on the 4500 class Q-3 light Mikados. Timely article. #4500 is on the cover. The Lionel Flyer version is #4518, representing the nineteenth of the class of 100. It indicates the class was equipped with steam heat, so they were capable of providing the head end power for their passenger trains. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34228	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Kadee coupler, Track, and AF questions

I prefer the brown Kadee 808's. I have never seen black real couplers. The 802 or 808 may be slightly oversize, but when you look for reliable coupling an oversize coupler is better. On our modular layout the #5 HO couplers are usually the culprits when imperfect module to module track joints cause unplanned uncoupling. Track joints and leveling are never perfect even though we try with our modular set up, so we usually get a few inadvertent uncouplings within trains during a day of running. Long cars and tiny grade changes at module seams cause couplers to misalign in height and when you approach a 50% coupler surface mismatch you have problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Kadee coupler, Track, and AF questions > > > Since this list is great for getting questions answered, I have several: > > Does anybody know where to get an S scale Kadee coupler height > gauge? > > It's been claimed that Kadee H-O couplers are the correct size for > S gauge. Does anybody here use them? I am considering changing > the AF compatible couplers on some non-AF cars plus a few AF > cars that I converted with K-Line trucks. Kadee H-O couplers > are much cheaper than S gauge ones, I'm sure. > > Does anyone here use both S Helper Track and American Models > track? If you do, can they be used together without problems? > I bought some of the S Trax from American Models last week and > replaced some Gargraves track with it. Now the trains run so fine > on it that I would dearly love to tear out all the rest of the Gargraves > and American Flyer track on the layout and replace it with S Trax. > But there are no diamonds (crossings) available in S Trax yet, so I > was considering an American Models one, and if nothing else I > could probably use an AF crossing. > > Many years ago there were frames made to convert AF boxcars, > stock cars, or reefers for scale trucks. Are those made anymore? > > Would an AF 21085 made in 1959 have metal drivers or plastic? > > And finally, was a five digit (24796) orange stripe coach ever made? > The Greenberg guide lists one, and so does an AF catalog (1959, > I think). But I've never seen one. Does the super rare 24794 > have a red stripe or orange stripe? > > I've been thinking about these for a while. I finally got caught up > on reading the digests, so thought that I would ask. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34229	From: just ask	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Track

Hello folks I started out collecting about ten years ago or so. I started out with lionel, and one day I bought some stuff that had a flyer pacific in the bottom on the box!! Now I am more of a flyer man.....but all the hobby shops really worry about is postwar or new lionel or mth. I emailed lionel that why dont they make the new fast track in S Gauge? Hopefully they will get back to me on this...I feel like flyer collector's are the forgotten sometimes!!! Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34230	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Battery

My friendly suggestion is don't bother with a substitution circuit for the Mikado. My experience with RS battery usage in Lionel O gauge engines is that the proper alkeline 9v battery has a life easily beyond 5 years. These battery substitution circuits were developed primarily for the very troublesome situation with the older MTH PS1-equipped engines. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/27/2005 10:09:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, nsupbnsf@... writes: Does anyone have experience with the J and W Electronics "battery component replacement"? The ad says Lionel needs an additional circuit along with this component. Is there room in the Mikado tender to make the conversion to batteryless? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34231	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: How much power am I using?

This is addressed to the electrical engineers on our list. If I have a 300 watt transformer (say an American Flyer 19B) with a load of one #52 bulb across the transformer's 16 V AC outputs, how many watts am I drawing from the line? I am assuming 110V, 60 Hz input. A #52 bulb is a 0.1 amp load. Thanks! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34232	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: AF questions & 650 car questions

Yes, the 21085 in '59 has plastic drivers, with or without painted whitewalls. The pins for the 650 body are standerd car body pins, used for boxcars, reefers, stock cars, baggage cars, I don't remember the part number, but most suppliers carry them. I put them in by holding a soldering iron on the head , heating the pin and pushing lightly. must be done carefully so you don't hit the car body with the iron. This way you don't stress the old plastic putting the pin in. Light bulbs can be substituted with a 1447 or 1449 bulb, one is brighter than the other, but my books are in storage, sorry! Also, only one of those is readily available anymore too! (auto parts, the train suppliers have both, but most come from china and the threaded metal is a bit too long for some applications, like boiler fronts) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34233	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?

I wish to thank everyone who has answered. Everyone is unanimous that 0.1 amps * 16 volts = 1.6 watts. That is how much power the BULB is drawing from the TRANSFORMER. But how many watts is the 300 watt TRANSFORMER drawing from the WALL to provide that 1.6 watts on the secondary? Thank you for your patience. Thorin > _____________________________________________ > From: Marty.Thorin > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:37 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > Subject: How much power am I using? > > This is addressed to the electrical engineers on our list. > > If I have a 300 watt transformer (say an American Flyer 19B) with a > load of one #52 bulb across the transformer's 16 V AC outputs, how > many watts am I drawing from the line? > > I am assuming 110V, 60 Hz input. A #52 bulb is a 0.1 amp load. > > Thanks! > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34234	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?

Continuing this question, how many watts is the transformer drawing when there isn't a load? You can't tell me nothing. I can hear it humming! Thorin > _____________________________________________ > From: Marty.Thorin > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:26 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: How much power am I using? > > I wish to thank everyone who has answered. Everyone is unanimous that > 0.1 amps * 16 volts = 1.6 watts. > > That is how much power the BULB is drawing from the TRANSFORMER. But > how many watts is the 300 watt TRANSFORMER drawing from the WALL to > provide that 1.6 watts on the secondary? > > Thank you for your patience. > Thorin > > _____________________________________________ > From: Marty.Thorin > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:37 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > Subject: How much power am I using? > > This is addressed to the electrical engineers on our list. > > If I have a 300 watt transformer (say an American Flyer 19B) with a > load of one #52 bulb across the transformer's 16 V AC outputs, how > many watts am I drawing from the line? > > I am assuming 110V, 60 Hz input. A #52 bulb is a 0.1 amp load. > > Thanks! > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34235	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?

Dear Carmen and lists: Keeping the electric bill down is not a concern. I am, however, interested in keeping the number of watt-hours as low as possible. I am always thinking 'green citizen' and started thinking this way long before the words 'green citizen' were coined: don't use what you don't need. Actually I coached this as an American Flyer transformer problem. What I really need is 16.5V 60 Hz AC at 2.5A to power a laptop. I can purchase an authentic Compaq power supply for $125.00. It is a transformer without suppressors or line conditioning. For $125.00 I can build one heck of a good suppressor / line conditioner with transformer. (It will huge compared to theirs but it is for a workstation application, not the road.) Plus I have many surplus transformers in stock. Why spend the money? So before I do this, I am thinking about excess draw by a larger-than-needed transformer. ______________ P.S. Sometimes I am dumber than 'Duh'. Don L. just pointed out that I work at We-Energies: the power company that once owned TMER&L. He wants to know why don't I ask one of the dozens of electrical engineers we employ. I guess my brain's wattage was rather dim today. Thank you for your input. This chain is done. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Carmen Cerasoli [mailto:cerasoli@...] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:37 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: RE: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using? See my answer. Hum does not necessarily mean high current (power) draw. As I think about it, you could easily be drawing 0.1 amp on the primary with no load. If this were the case, you would be using ~ 10 watts just plugging it in. Only way to tell is with an AC ammeter. Why are you concerned? Electric bill, green citizen????? -----Original Message----- From: Marty.Thorin [mailto:thorin.marty@...] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using? Continuing this question, how many watts is the transformer drawing when there isn't a load? You can't tell me nothing. I can hear it humming! Thorin _____________________________________________ From: Marty.Thorin Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: How much power am I using? I wish to thank everyone who has answered. Everyone is unanimous that 0.1 amps * 16 volts = 1.6 watts. That is how much power the BULB is drawing from the TRANSFORMER. But how many watts is the 300 watt TRANSFORMER drawing from the WALL to provide that 1.6 watts on the secondary? Thank you for your patience. Thorin _____________________________________________ From: Marty.Thorin Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com Subject: How much power am I using? This is addressed to the electrical engineers on our list. If I have a 300 watt transformer (say an American Flyer 19B) with a load of one #52 bulb across the transformer's 16 V AC outputs, how many watts am I drawing from the line? I am assuming 110V, 60 Hz input. A #52 bulb is a 0.1 amp load. Thanks! Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34236	From: TC Carr	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?

not a clue :))) TCC:}} On Jan 27, 2005, at 09:29, Marty.Thorin wrote: > Continuing this question, how many watts is the transformer drawing > when there isn't a load? You can't tell me nothing. I can hear it > humming! > > Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34237	From: TC Carr	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?

300 watts is the output So at 16 volts: 300 / 16 = 18.75 amps At 110 volts: 300 / 110 = 2.7273 amps At 117 volts: 300 / 117 = 2.564 amps Your 1.6 watts / 110 = 0.0145455 amps and 1.6 watts / 117 = 0.0136752 amps in other words "not much" TCC:} On Jan 27, 2005, at 09:26, Marty.Thorin wrote:On Jan 27, 2005, at 09:26, Marty.Thorin wrote: > I wish to thank everyone who has answered. Everyone is unanimous that > 0.1 amps * 16 volts = 1.6 watts. > > That is how much power the BULB is drawing from the TRANSFORMER. But > how many watts is the 300 watt TRANSFORMER drawing from the WALL to > provide that 1.6 watts on the secondary? > > Thank you for your patience. > Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34238	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?

and he notes - What you are hearing is the hysteresis effect between the plates on the primary field. It doesn't draw much current unless the plates are corroded or poorly made. All AC transformers have this effect but as the transformer gets older it uses more current to create the field, causing the plates to vibrate, or "hum" louder. For more information on this subject, visit this site and scroll down to Variations in Hysteresis Curves http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/hyst.html Aside from the above effect, a watt is a watt and a 300 watt transformer is the safe load the field can carry without frying Little Leroy. With no load, the transformer is drawing negligible current. Wattage is not the amount of power used, but rather the amount of energy dissipated, usually as heat - ergo a light bulb. Item, such as light bulbs, based on wattage because it is easier for the consumer to understand. Using an AC transformer to power a laptop sounds intriguing. If you use a Lionel unit, you might get the computer to whistle! Raleigh At 12:29 PM 1/27/2005, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Continuing this question, how many watts is the transformer drawing when >there isn't a load? You can't tell me nothing. I can hear it humming! > >Thorin > > > _____________________________________________ > > From: Marty.Thorin > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:26 AM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; > > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: How much power am I using? > > > > I wish to thank everyone who has answered. Everyone is unanimous that > > 0.1 amps * 16 volts = 1.6 watts. > > > > That is how much power the BULB is drawing from the TRANSFORMER. But > > how many watts is the 300 watt TRANSFORMER drawing from the WALL to > > provide that 1.6 watts on the secondary? > > > > Thank you for your patience. > > Thorin > > > > _____________________________________________ > > From: Marty.Thorin > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:37 AM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; > > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: How much power am I using? > > > > This is addressed to the electrical engineers on our list. > > > > If I have a 300 watt transformer (say an American Flyer 19B) with a > > load of one #52 bulb across the transformer's 16 V AC outputs, how > > many watts am I drawing from the line? > > > > I am assuming 110V, 60 Hz input. A #52 bulb is a 0.1 amp load. > > > > Thanks! > > Thorin > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to >reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail >software, but it works on some of the most common ones. > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34239	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > > Continuing this question, how many watts is the transformer drawing when > there isn't a load? You can't tell me nothing. I can hear it humming! > > Thorin That's an interesting question. The transformer is definitely drawing power when it is plugged in and under no load. Every transformer has a primary coil of wire that has resistance--current flows and power is consumed when a voltage is applied. The best way to figure it out would be to measure the current flowing between the electrical outlet and your transformer (with and without your bulb powered). Since 110V poses a definite safety hazard, performing this measurement with an ammeter in series is probably not wisely attempted by anyone other than an electrician. I don't know if anyone makes a self-contained ammeter with a 110V plug and receptacle to allow current measurements without risk of shock. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34240	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?

Whistling would be good as long as it does not SMOKE. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34241	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using?

An answer from my brother, Bob Furmanak. The transformer is about 98% efficient, with the losses mostly coming from electrical currents in the iron core. These are a by product which ultimately get turned into heat, which is why transformers generally feel warm. His 300 watt transformer is probably drawing about one watt doing nothing, and drawing about 3 total when driving his 1.6 watt lightbulb. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA -----Original Message----- From: Marty.Thorin [mailto:thorin.marty@...] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: How much power am I using? I wish to thank everyone who has answered. Everyone is unanimous that 0.1 amps * 16 volts = 1.6 watts. That is how much power the BULB is drawing from the TRANSFORMER. But how many watts is the 300 watt TRANSFORMER drawing from the WALL to provide that 1.6 watts on the secondary? Thank you for your patience. Thorin > _____________________________________________ > From: Marty.Thorin > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:37 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > Subject: How much power am I using? > > This is addressed to the electrical engineers on our list. > > If I have a 300 watt transformer (say an American Flyer 19B) with a > load of one #52 bulb across the transformer's 16 V AC outputs, how > many watts am I drawing from the line? > > I am assuming 110V, 60 Hz input. A #52 bulb is a 0.1 amp load. > > Thanks! > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34242	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2554

In a message dated 1/27/2005 7:40:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:06:30 EST From: WEG138@... Subject: [S trains] #650 passenger car questions Bill, Check with Doug Peck @ Portlines Hobby Supplies,www.portlines.com, or Joe Haenn @ Joe's Train Repair @ Yahoo.com. Both are very reputable dealers and have helped me out in the past. I think I might have taken the 662,3,4 windows and altered them to fit my 650 series by cutting and refitting, but I'm sure they can help you on your wish list. Heck, they even offer free advice, which is apparently at a premium in the big city retail business world today. What a bonus! Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34243	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Mikado & Budd

Anyone have any thoughts about the running of the NYC Mikado with the AM Budd pass cars? Would it be about the correct era? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34244	From: Phil K	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life

Answers to questions beget more questions. 1.) If the 21140 boiler unit came in said box, how was the tender packaged? [Thanks to all who answered this question -- you don't see 21140s every day, let alone the original box.] 2.) Someone here said they're already had to replace the 9v battery in their Mikado tender. Now I wonder how long will one last (approximate running hours) and does the battery continue to drain down even when the Mike is sitting on a "dead" layout? Would a battery cutoff switch be useful? I think Carl Tuveson said to be sure to go through the shutdown process [Aux 1 + 5, I think] to save the battery when not in operating mode. I couldn't find that in the instruction manual. The battery questions come not because I'm cheap, but being gifted with clumsy fingers the size of kielbasas, it IS an effort for me to change batteries in such a tight space -- the first time I did it I broke two wires to the volume control at the solder joints. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34245	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life

Tender came in a corrugated box by itself, as I know that is how the 21129 tender came with a red and white box for a outer box. However, my 21129 tender did not have that outer box, just the corrugated box. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life > > > > Answers to questions beget more questions. > > 1.) If the 21140 boiler unit came in said box, how was the tender > packaged? [Thanks to all who answered this question -- you don't see > 21140s every day, let alone the original box.] > > 2.) Someone here said they're already had to replace the 9v battery > in their Mikado tender. Now I wonder how long will one last > (approximate running hours) and does the battery continue to drain > down even when the Mike is sitting on a "dead" layout? Would a > battery cutoff switch be useful? I think Carl Tuveson said to be > sure to go through the shutdown process [Aux 1 + 5, I think] to save > the battery when not in operating mode. I couldn't find that in the > instruction manual. > > The battery questions come not because I'm cheap, but being gifted > with clumsy fingers the size of kielbasas, it IS an effort for me to > change batteries in such a tight space -- the first time I did it I > broke two wires to the volume control at the solder joints. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34246	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life

Another thing to remember on battery life is that using it in non TMCC mode consumes more battery power than in TMCC. Especially if the sound is turned all the way up and you frequently run at slow speeds. I believe it shuts down itself if you are not in TMCC. -----Original Message----- From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life Answers to questions beget more questions. 1.) If the 21140 boiler unit came in said box, how was the tender packaged? [Thanks to all who answered this question -- you don't see 21140s every day, let alone the original box.] 2.) Someone here said they're already had to replace the 9v battery in their Mikado tender. Now I wonder how long will one last (approximate running hours) and does the battery continue to drain down even when the Mike is sitting on a "dead" layout? Would a battery cutoff switch be useful? I think Carl Tuveson said to be sure to go through the shutdown process [Aux 1 + 5, I think] to save the battery when not in operating mode. I couldn't find that in the instruction manual. The battery questions come not because I'm cheap, but being gifted with clumsy fingers the size of kielbasas, it IS an effort for me to change batteries in such a tight space -- the first time I did it I broke two wires to the volume control at the solder joints. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34247	From: Reddington	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Wiring Question AF Northern

Hello, I recently decided to take a 2nd look at the wiring on my AF Northern. If it sits with high throttle in neutral, it will puff smoke on rollout for about 5 seconds or so, after that nothing. The headlight while running is very dim but very bright in neutral. I do not recall the headlamp dim on running in the past. Somehow, maybe the wiring is not right? I looked at the wiring diagram on S-Trains and something on mine doesn't seem right. The speaker hookup adds to more difficulty in overall analysis from the tender forward. The "5th wire" seems correct. I changed the smokebox heater wire a year ago and cannot believe that is the problem. Any ideas/suggestions/answers would be appreciated? I have thoughts but do not want to dismantle or change anything if this is a simple oversight thing. This engine is a king-of-the-road monster and I try to tamper with it as little as possible. I enjoy it and would not want to break anything on it that I can avoid tinkering with--especially if tinkering wasn't necessary to begin with. OR, is this just "old age" AF at work? It is a lot of work to take this thing apart! John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34248	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado battery life

Jerry, I am on my second battery and it needs replaced. This is all non -tmcc operation. Were your units railsounds 5? The first battery I rationalized as possibly not being fresh. The second one was new, and didn't last any longer than the first. I just haven't gotten around to replacing the 2nd one. I probably only have a couple of hours of operation on each battery, across a week or so. I haven't operated the engine in over a week. It arrived at my house on January 6th. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Matsick [mailto:jpmatsick@...] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:43 PM To: Mark Kiner Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Mikado battery life Mark Re: Mikado and battery life. I ran 7 Lionel O Gauge TMCC units in conventional mode for period of way over a year and never had a battery go down on me, also for 3 week my S gauge Mikado has been running and operating fine with conventional mode usage. Jerry M Mark Kiner <AF336@...> wrote: Another thing to remember on battery life is that using it in non TMCC mode consumes more battery power than in TMCC. Especially if the sound is turned all the way up and you frequently run at slow speeds. I believe it shuts down itself if you are not in TMCC. -----Original Message----- From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life Answers to questions beget more questions. 1.) If the 21140 boiler unit came in said box, how was the tender packaged? [Thanks to all who answered this question -- you don't see 21140s every day, let alone the original box.] 2.) Someone here said they're already had to replace the 9v battery in their Mikado tender. Now I wonder how long will one last (approximate running hours) and does the battery continue to drain down even when the Mike is sitting on a "dead" layout? Would a battery cutoff switch be useful? I think Carl Tuveson said to be sure to go through the shutdown process [Aux 1 + 5, I think] to save the battery when not in operating mode. I couldn't find that in the instruction manual. The battery questions come not because I'm cheap, but being gifted with clumsy fingers the size of kielbasas, it IS an effort for me to change batteries in such a tight space -- the first time I did it I broke two wires to the volume control at the solder joints. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=30648/*http:/movies.yahoo.com/movies/feature/jib jabinaugural.html> Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34249	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Transformer Hummmmm

I believe they hum when they don't know the words.. Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34250	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado & Budd

In a message dated 1/27/2005 5:37:53 PM Central Standard Time, anormal1@... writes: Anyone have any thoughts about the running of the NYC Mikado with the AM Budd pass cars? Would it be about the correct era? Mike My reaction is "no way" would that be typical but that does not mean it never happened. I look forward to what Uncle Ed (Loizeaux) will have to say on this subject. - Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34251	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: 21140 box revisted & Mikado battery life

Hi Phil, 1) The tender for the 21140 came in a red and white box stamped "XA14N845-AY U.P. TENDER" on the end flap. By the way, the brown corrugated 21140 locomotive box was stamped "XA-15N607-Y U.P. LOCO" on the end. If either one of these is incorrect, they are not the proper boxes for a 21140 and its tender. 2) One should not have to do Aux-1 +5 to shut down the RS. I do not remember any posts here regarding the actual experience of short battery life. It should shut down in due course on its own. I have gotten battery life beyond 5 years in all my TMCC/RS engines of valid age. The only thing that I can think of (at the moment) that would quickly discharge the 9v alkaline battery is if the battery leads were wired in reverse polarity. If you do not have a problem, don't worry about it. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:49:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: Answers to questions beget more questions. 1.) If the 21140 boiler unit came in said box, how was the tender packaged? [Thanks to all who answered this question -- you don't see 21140s every day, let alone the original box.] 2.) Someone here said they're already had to replace the 9v battery in their Mikado tender. Now I wonder how long will one last (approximate running hours) and does the battery continue to drain down even when the Mike is sitting on a "dead" layout? Would a battery cutoff switch be useful? I think Carl Tuveson said to be sure to go through the shutdown process [Aux 1 + 5, I think] to save the battery when not in operating mode. I couldn't find that in the instruction manual. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34252	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado battery life

In a message dated 1/27/2005 8:54:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, AF336@... writes: The first battery I rationalized as possibly not being fresh. The second one was new, and didn't last any longer than the first. I just haven't gotten around to replacing the 2nd one. Hi Mark, Suggest that you call Lionel service. RS batteries discharging that rapidly is not normal. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34253	From: roy inman	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: UP Mikado part II

Thanks to those who sent me information to the effect that the UP did in fact use Mikados for passenger as well as freight. Now, my learned colleagues, the next query: What vintage passenger cars would one run with the UP Mikado? And are there any even available in S. I do have the Pony Express Flyonel. Are those long, sleek yellow streamlined cars too recent for the old steamer? Thanks in advance for any information. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34254	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Tender Boxes

My 21145 tender is in a red & white car box, I forget the number on it, but it starts with X. The locomotive wrapper was lost before I got the set (1969). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34255	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado & Budd

I am forwarding this reply from Ed Loizeaux - Earl Henry (Ed is not on the S-trains list but is rather famous on the S-scale modeling list for his love and knowledge of both NYC and S gauge.). From Ed Loizeaux: Dear Anormal1: I suppose it could have happend, but it would have been an unusual situation. The AM Budd cars are a pre-war design based upon the NYC's Empire State Express. The ESE was, as everyone knows, a famous train that was always in the spotlight. It went fast and usually had the latest in motive power. The NYC Mikados were a freight locomotive and typically used for freight trains only. However, if a passenger engine broke down or was involved in an accident and could not move, it is entirely possible that a Mikado would have been pressed into service to haul the train to the nearest place where an appropriate spare passenger engine could be coupled to the train and continue the journey. The era would be correct since pre-war Budd cars and NYC Mikados ran in the same time frame -- let's say the early-to-mid-to-late 1940s or so. But the use of a freight loco on a high profile passenger train would have been very unlikely except in dire circumstances. Of course, modeling dire circumstances could be fun since you essentially throw the rule book away and do what needs to be done. Interestingly, the opposite was quite common -- namely, the use of a passenger loco on a freight train. This would happen after a major shopping/overhaul of the passenger loco. Before placing the loco back into passenger service, it was common to assign it to a lowly freight train or two in order to "test drive" the loco after it's big overhaul. After it was "broken in" on a couple of freights without any problems, it would then be assigned to an appropriate passenger train. Hope this answers your question. "S"incerely....Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34256	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: How much power am I using?

Hello Thorin, Scott and all, Yes, This is a very interesting question. I myself use a Fluke 87 as a speedometer on my layout and occasionally an amp probe to see how hard my engines are running. I do this on the secondary side ( the 7-18 volts ) of my transformer ( I use a pancake 22035 ) and continually come up with different readings for every engine I run. Earlier tonight I was running my American Models steamer at 10 volts with 12 cars and a 930 caboose. Almost 1 amp (forgot the caboose has a light) = 10 watts. Last night I was running an old 332 DC that I modified with an E unit with a rectifier bridge wired across the e unit with the same train. 10 volts and almost 4 amps = 40 watts. Approximately the same speed but interesting. Last week I had a different 332 with a timko motor and an electronic e unit. That engine ran at less than 1 amp with the same train. Then I hooked up eight AM Budd cars. 4 amps. Yes this is kinda silly but I find it amusing. I myself work for a utility company ( one of Marty's competitors just south of his border (:>) in the electric metering department). To find out how much power your transformer uses with or without a load and get an accurate reading you would need both of these tools. You would have to loosen the wall outlet, stick the fluke in the 2nd receptacle and place the amp probe over just one of the wires leading to the receptacle while the transformer is plugged in. I DO NOT RECOMMEND AND I DISCOURAGE ANYONE FROM TRYING THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH ELECTRICITY!!! I must stress the fact that you can get burned, shocked, or at worst electrocuted! That said and having experience working with electricity if any one is really interested I could do some experiments this weekend with my equipment and see what happens. Ernie Mennecke Wheaton IL. Message: 15 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:18:35 -0000 From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...<mailto:sgriggs@...>> Subject: Re: How much power am I using? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w<mailto:thorin.marty@w>...> wrote: > > Continuing this question, how many watts is the transformer drawing when > there isn't a load? You can't tell me nothing. I can hear it humming! > > Thorin That's an interesting question. The transformer is definitely drawing power when it is plugged in and under no load. Every transformer has a primary coil of wire that has resistance--current flows and power is consumed when a voltage is applied. The best way to figure it out would be to measure the current flowing between the electrical outlet and your transformer (with and without your bulb powered). Since 110V poses a definite safety hazard, performing this measurement with an ammeter in series is probably not wisely attempted by anyone other than an electrician. I don't know if anyone makes a self-contained ammeter with a 110V plug and receptacle to allow current measurements without risk of shock. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34257	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Electrical Safety - Off topic but important

Here is a site that talks about measuring electricty (safely) http://www.applianceaid.com/electrical_testing_tips.html Here are some meters http://www.action-electronics.com/panelmeters.htm (Doug also sells meters) More meters (clamp on style) these can measure a loco or the transformer load http://www.professionalequipment.com/xq/ASP/id.5/subID.55/qx/ BE SAFE! Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34258	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Atlanta Jan 30 - Feb 2nd

I will be in Atlanta for training from Sunday Afternoon till Wednesday afternoon. I will be in class from 9-5. Anybody want to get together for a coffee or beer? I don't plan on renting a car, so I am afraid you will need to come to me. I will be near the Oracle training facility in the northern part of the city. E-mail me if you are interested. Paul Yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34259	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Wiring Question AF Northern

Have you tried reversing the 4 pin plug? It fits both ways and if reversed the light and smoke unit are then in series with the motor. --- Reddington <JRKRRDD@...> wrote: > > > Hello, > > I recently decided to take a 2nd look at the wiring on my AF > Northern. If it sits with high throttle in neutral, it will puff > smoke on rollout for about 5 seconds or so, after that nothing. The > headlight while running is very dim but very bright in neutral. I do > not recall the headlamp dim on running in the past. Somehow, maybe > the wiring is not right? I looked at the wiring diagram on S-Trains > and something on mine doesn't seem right. The speaker hookup adds to > more difficulty in overall analysis from the tender forward. The > "5th wire" seems correct. I changed the smokebox heater wire a year > ago and cannot believe that is the problem. Any > ideas/suggestions/answers would be appreciated? I have thoughts but > do not want to dismantle or change anything if this is a simple > oversight thing. This engine is a king-of-the-road monster and I try > to tamper with it as little as possible. I enjoy it and would not > want to break anything on it that I can avoid tinkering > with--especially if tinkering wasn't necessary to begin with. OR, is > this just "old age" AF at work? It is a lot of work to take this > thing apart! > > John R > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34260	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado Battery

Actually, my first Mikado battery a Duracell lasted 2 weeks, and they are not easy to replace. The 2nd battery is still going though..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34261	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: AF in Lionel's 2005 Catalog

First Flyer page in Lionel's 2005 online catalog: http://tinyurl.com/3k6fp Use page forward to view all the pages. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34262	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Car parts needed

I need sources for 3 piece AB break systems. Break Wheels Ajax Break Housings. Thanks in advance. Jim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34263	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2556

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Subject: Atlanta Jan 30 - Feb 2nd I will be in Atlanta for training from Sunday Afternoon till Wednesday afternoon. I will be in class from 9-5. Anybody want to get together for a coffee or beer? I don't plan on renting a car, so I am afraid you will need to come to me. I will be near the Oracle training facility in the northern part of the city. E-mail me if you are interested. Paul Yorke I won't be in Atlanta, But anyone coming to the Denver area has an open invitation for a ( Coors ) Beer and / or coffee. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34264	From: robbyking13	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Train Show Tomorrow: Springfield Mass

There is a train show (S included) this weekend (29 & 30) in Springfield, MA. Address: Eastern States Exposition Fairgrounds (Better Living Center and Young Building), Memorial Ave, West Springfield, MA 01089.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34265	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2556

Anyone who is going through Denver, do stop and see Jerry and his wife Thelma. Two of the nicest people my wife Linda and I met for several days in MD in Oct. of 2003. We just lost to illness a 19 yr old cat and I was in the dumps and they made things better for us with that visit. The year before we lost a 20 yr old cat to illness. And even though I almost killed Jerry that October day, on the C&O Canal, he still invited us over to the campground, where they were staying, for dinner, and we where there till midnight and could of stay longer. We where having a great time with them and his friend Ed and June. We had a great day on the C&O Canal, bike riding and seeing things with them on the Canal, including Great Falls on the Potomac River. The night before, we met for dinner at Carraba's and then they came over to see my collection. And Rance has been to my house twice, but I didn't try to kill him! LOL Jerry and Rance are two very nice people to see. And Jerry did offer me a Coors, but I gave beer up 25 years ago. Should of done that in college, gave it up sooner, might of gotten a better GPA! LOL So he is good on his word about that, but then, he is partial to Coors for many reasons. Beats an National Boh! LOL I hope I get to see them again someday, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2556 > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:13:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> > Subject: Atlanta Jan 30 - Feb 2nd > > > I will be in Atlanta for training from Sunday > Afternoon till Wednesday afternoon. I will be in class > from 9-5. > Anybody want to get together for a coffee or beer? > I don't plan on renting a car, so I am afraid you will > need to come to me. I will be near the Oracle training > facility in the northern part of the city. > > E-mail me if you are interested. > > Paul Yorke > > > > I won't be in Atlanta, But anyone coming to the Denver area has > an open invitation for a ( Coors ) Beer and / or coffee. > > Jerry 77-11644 > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34266	From: chasesmithus	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Kaslo N5c final look

Red paint was darkened by a wash of Poly S oxide red before applying CDS dry transfers. Picture is in the photo album "Chuck's layout" at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ Chuck Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34267	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 30, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34268	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Train Show Tomorrow: Springfield Mass

There's a lot of S! We are in the Young Building. The Bristol Club has their layout. S-Helper Service Robin, (Don, Robin,Vic, Hiram), River Raisin (Jim and Dan), S Scale America (Ron and Susan), Port Lines (Doug and Cecile), Train Collector (John and Robin), Train and Trooper (Matt and Martha) are all grouped together. Its a great show! At 10:35 PM 1/28/2005 +0000, robbyking13 wrote: >There is a train show (S included) this weekend (29 & 30) in >Springfield, MA. >Address: Eastern States Exposition Fairgrounds (Better Living Center >and Young Building), Memorial Ave, West Springfield, MA 01089. > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34269	From: Sue & George	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Is anyone interested in buying my 20440 complete 1-owner set?

We have the 20440 complete set. Includes: 21918 21918-1 and 24216, 24309, 24109, 24033, 24619, and 24413. Each piece is in very good condition, the engine is strong, no missing parts. We had a plumbing nightmare at our house and decieded to try and recover some of the $6000.00 we had to spend today. This set is a one owner set, owned by my husband George, given to him by his grandfather some time around 1958. If someone is interested they can contact us on our other e-mail address which is: psyborg@... Otherwise we will list it on ebay but I thought maybe someone out there might just want to have it as it is very nice. Sue Bowman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34270	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/28/2005
Subject: Re: Train Show Tomorrow: Springfield Mass

No Gary Clark! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Clark" <billclark42@...> To: "robbyking13" <robbyking@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Show Tomorrow: Springfield Mass > > > There's a lot of S! We are in the Young Building. The Bristol Club has > their layout. S-Helper Service Robin, (Don, Robin,Vic, Hiram), River Raisin > (Jim and Dan), S Scale America (Ron and Susan), Port Lines (Doug and > Cecile), Train Collector (John and Robin), Train and Trooper (Matt and > Martha) are all grouped together. Its a great show! > > At 10:35 PM 1/28/2005 +0000, robbyking13 wrote: > > > > >There is a train show (S included) this weekend (29 & 30) in > >Springfield, MA. > >Address: Eastern States Exposition Fairgrounds (Better Living Center > >and Young Building), Memorial Ave, West Springfield, MA 01089. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos > >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34271	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: [PRR-Modeling] Digest Number 1231

The S scale kit is by Kaslo, a Canadian company. www.kasloshops.com Definitely not a shake-the-box kit. Cost was $65 on a preorder basis. New price I think is $73. Grabs and other detail parts are from an etched flat sheet of coppery stuff. This compromises some factors like the handrails and ladder rungs are not really round. However, this is hard to see. You provide trucks and couplers. Comes with an interior which provides good weight. Scale seems right on and certainly matched all the photos I could find. One quirk is there are no handrails on the outer ends of the platform alongside the steps. Not a big deal but when I get around to paint the handrails yellow that lack may become more noticeable. My option is to make them from .016" wire. Kaslo recommends making the etched handrails from wire if the flat look bothers you. The kit went together with a good fit. The basic body came as one piece with the entire roof as another piece and the floor as a third piece. Kaslo was good to deal with and answered my emails when I had questions. CDS had transfers in stock. I ordered them thru TMR Distributing, Malton, Ontario, Canada www.tmrdistributing.com This is the only route to a non-brass S gauge PRR cabin car I know of. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com> To: <PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: [PRR-Modeling] Digest Number 1231 13. Re: S gauge Kaslo N5c kit From: mittner@... Message: 13 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:28:11 -0500 From: mittner@... Subject: Re: S gauge Kaslo N5c kit Chuck, Looks pretty good. I could live with that if it was mine. Tell us more about the cabin. The material, cost, scale fidelity etc. I model all scales so I may be interested in one. Thanks, Gary Come visit my PRR Pages: Photos, Models, Historical Items and Art Work! PRR K4s Loco Pics: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/ PRR G5s, T1, J1 J1a, M1, M1a, N1s, etc. etc.: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/prr_loco_index.html PRR N5c #477974 Restoration (ongoing) http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/BVJCN5c.html and...... PRR Pics, P&LE Pics, PRR Memorabilia and Misc. Models: http://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/indexpics.html ________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34272	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: More Mikado Fun

I got my TMCC stuff yesterday, and decided this was the incentive I needed to get my B&0 Mikado out of the box. (I had looked at the loco, but it had never been on track) I put it on the track with no battery and it performed great on my original flyer track. My track setup (still up from Christmas) is on carpet with rubber roadbed and with electrical contact on one track section total. There are around 14 straights and 28 curves and a couple of half sections. My track connections are by no means clean and the track is definitely not laid flat. I was very pleased that the sound system would work as well as it does in this environment. I didn't hear a single skip in the cuff sounds in over 10 minutes of playing and the whistle, bell and cab talk will initiate at any point on the layout. What really got me excited was running my NYC and the B&O on the same loop. (it is only one loop). I would get one unit/cars running where they would make it by the lowest voltage section of track and control the other one to keep it either just ahead of or just behind. I only had to hit emergency stop one time and it does stop both trains. The next bit of fun was to remove all the rolling stock and place the units back to back in a lashup. This was really fun to see them both respond together as a train lashup. I am gonna have to get with Carl T and convert some of my original AF items to TMCC. I have an old 343 that I bought off Ebay without a motor or reverse unit, and decided it was a golden opportunity to try one of S&S's can motor units. I have been really happy with the can motor. This 343 is a real stump puller and draws less than a quarter of the amps of an original 343 doing the same work. I stole a reverse unit out of a junk Atlantic, and have had a ball with this stump pulling switcher. I have intended to put an electronic reverse unit in this thing since the time I got it, and just never got around to it. Well I believe it is crying out for one of Carl's TMCC conversions. Another thing I was excited to learn is that the sounds are different between the B&O and the NYC (not just the cab numbers in crew talk, but also the bell, and whistle) I would love to have the B&O whistle in my 343, but I will settle for just TMCC directional control at this point. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34273	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: 2-8-2 Smoke

My Flyonel 2-8-2 doesn't seem to smoke very well. I'm running it with an AF 30B transformer that probably puts out a maximum of 15 or 16 volts, and I don't have a battery in the tender (although I don't see what that has to do with smoke). With the switch in the smokebox door slid to the left (on) I was never able to get any smoke regardless of how much Lionel smoke fluid I put in the stack. I'd generally been running at 11-12 volts and a good load on the drawbar so the sound system would have enough voltage and the engine would be running slowly to really hear it bark. Impressive. But no smoke! I did try running at higher speeds and higher voltages, but again, no smoke. I began to think something was wrong with the smoke unit so I called my dealer who told me that his distributor told him that although Lionel hasn't really said much about it, TMCC is needed to get much smoke, and that about 17 volts is needed otherwise. He also said the distributor had burned out one unit trying to get smoke using higher voltages. (I'm not sure if it was a smoke unit that burned out, a sound system, or something else.) Last night I coupled a string of AF dummy A and B units to the 2-8-2, added a few drops of smoke fluid, and set the throttle to wide-open. She started smoking! It also seems to smoke, now, at lower voltages although I'm not sure if the element was heated by the higher voltage and just hadn't cooled off yet. For those of you with TMCC, what is the difference in smoke when using TMCC and when not using TMCC? Has anyone else had a similar experience to mine? Some other observations that may be of interest: I tried using the Lionel smoke fluid in an AF 4-4-2. It smokes very well, and doesn't seem to need particularly high voltage in the Atlantic. The smoke seems a different color than Gilbert smoke fluid. I tried running the 2-8-2 with the tender uncoupled but on the track receiving power. No sound came from the tender. Then I tried dragging the tender around with the AF Atlantic but again there was no sound. Next, I tried running the 2-8-2 by itself with the Atlantic pulling the 2-8-2's tender at the same time and again-no sound. I conclude that the drawbar does conduct electricity, if only a signal, from the engine to the tender. Has anyone determined if there are four chugs per revolution of the drivers as there should be? It seems there are more chugs per revolution than the one chug that AF engines have, but it may not be four. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34274	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: New catalog pictures, veeedry interestink!

Scott, Thanks for that URL, finally some scans that show details! Interesting that both the Pennsy B unit and the 770 car are shown with old style AF couplers. Hmm. Also note that the unlaoding car has the pickup finger on the unloading side--AAAUGH not again! Y'all have a great weekend! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34275	From: Phil K	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke and silent tender

>> I tried running the 2-8-2 with the tender uncoupled but on the track receiving power. No sound came from the tender. Then I tried dragging the tender around with the AF Atlantic but again there was no sound. Next, I tried running the 2-8-2 by itself with the Atlantic pulling the 2-8-2's tender at the same time and again-no sound. I conclude that the drawbar does conduct electricity, if only a signal, from the engine to the tender.<< Chris -- Your Mikado came equipped with what Lionel calls a "wireless tether" between the engine and tender. I'm as new as you with this technology, but that may be the reason for the tender's non- performance when set out alone. I'd guess it needs to be in close proximity to the engine for the wireless tether to work. Maybe someone with more experience can chime in on this. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, nyc17819@a... wrote: > > My Flyonel 2-8-2 doesn't seem to smoke very well. I'm running it with an AF > 30B transformer that probably puts out a maximum of 15 or 16 volts, and I > don't have a battery in the tender (although I don't see what that has to do with > smoke). With the switch in the smokebox door slid to the left (on) I was > never able to get any smoke regardless of how much Lionel smoke fluid I put in the > stack. > > I'd generally been running at 11-12 volts and a good load on the drawbar so > the sound system would have enough voltage and the engine would be running > slowly to really hear it bark. Impressive. But no smoke! I did try running at > higher speeds and higher voltages, but again, no smoke. > > I began to think something was wrong with the smoke unit so I called my > dealer who told me that his distributor told him that although Lionel hasn't really > said much about it, TMCC is needed to get much smoke, and that about 17 volts > is needed otherwise. He also said the distributor had burned out one unit > trying to get smoke using higher voltages. (I'm not sure if it was a smoke unit > that burned out, a sound system, or something else.) > > Last night I coupled a string of AF dummy A and B units to the 2-8- 2, added a > few drops of smoke fluid, and set the throttle to wide-open. She started > smoking! It also seems to smoke, now, at lower voltages although I'm not sure if > the element was heated by the higher voltage and just hadn't cooled off yet. > > For those of you with TMCC, what is the difference in smoke when using TMCC > and when not using TMCC? Has anyone else had a similar experience to mine? > > Some other observations that may be of interest: > > I tried using the Lionel smoke fluid in an AF 4-4-2. It smokes very well, > and doesn't seem to need particularly high voltage in the Atlantic. The smoke > seems a different color than Gilbert smoke fluid. > > I tried running the 2-8-2 with the tender uncoupled but on the track > receiving power. No sound came from the tender. Then I tried dragging the tender > around with the AF Atlantic but again there was no sound. Next, I tried running > the 2-8-2 by itself with the Atlantic pulling the 2-8-2's tender at the same > time and again-no sound. I conclude that the drawbar does conduct electricity, > if only a signal, from the engine to the tender. > > Has anyone determined if there are four chugs per revolution of the drivers > as there should be? It seems there are more chugs per revolution than the one > chug that AF engines have, but it may not be four. > > Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34276	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke

Chris, You will never get the smoke unit to operate adequately in the conventional mode the voltage is never high enough to heat it like it need to be. When in the TMCC command mode it puts a steady 12-14 volts to the smoke unit which will really make it crank out the smoke. Again I recommend using A-Normal-1 smoke fluid. It smoke at a lower heat, smells like flyer smoke should and doesn't spit as much as Lionel's. (this is not a paid endorsement just my observation) The tender needs to be coupled to the drawbar so the infrared signal from the engine can get to the infrared detector in the tender. They are the little gadgets on the drawbars. It you are running conventional leave the engine in neutral with the voltage at 14 volts or so to pre heat, until the smoke unit is putting out smoke and then start the loco by reducing the voltage to zero and bring it back up to the running voltage with the variable control on the transformer. There are two chugs per rev of the drivers controlled by a cam in the rear driver. Carl -----Original Message----- From: nyc17819@... [mailto:nyc17819@...] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2-8-2 Smoke My Flyonel 2-8-2 doesn't seem to smoke very well. I'm running it with an AF 30B transformer that probably puts out a maximum of 15 or 16 volts, and I don't have a battery in the tender (although I don't see what that has to do with smoke). With the switch in the smokebox door slid to the left (on) I was never able to get any smoke regardless of how much Lionel smoke fluid I put in the stack. I'd generally been running at 11-12 volts and a good load on the drawbar so the sound system would have enough voltage and the engine would be running slowly to really hear it bark. Impressive. But no smoke! I did try running at higher speeds and higher voltages, but again, no smoke. I began to think something was wrong with the smoke unit so I called my dealer who told me that his distributor told him that although Lionel hasn't really said much about it, TMCC is needed to get much smoke, and that about 17 volts is needed otherwise. He also said the distributor had burned out one unit trying to get smoke using higher voltages. (I'm not sure if it was a smoke unit that burned out, a sound system, or something else.) Last night I coupled a string of AF dummy A and B units to the 2-8-2, added a few drops of smoke fluid, and set the throttle to wide-open. She started smoking! It also seems to smoke, now, at lower voltages although I'm not sure if the element was heated by the higher voltage and just hadn't cooled off yet. For those of you with TMCC, what is the difference in smoke when using TMCC and when not using TMCC? Has anyone else had a similar experience to mine? Some other observations that may be of interest: I tried using the Lionel smoke fluid in an AF 4-4-2. It smokes very well, and doesn't seem to need particularly high voltage in the Atlantic. The smoke seems a different color than Gilbert smoke fluid. I tried running the 2-8-2 with the tender uncoupled but on the track receiving power. No sound came from the tender. Then I tried dragging the tender around with the AF Atlantic but again there was no sound. Next, I tried running the 2-8-2 by itself with the Atlantic pulling the 2-8-2's tender at the same time and again-no sound. I conclude that the drawbar does conduct electricity, if only a signal, from the engine to the tender. Has anyone determined if there are four chugs per revolution of the drivers as there should be? It seems there are more chugs per revolution than the one chug that AF engines have, but it may not be four. Chris Harding S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34277	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke

I will answer the things I think I have observed. I don't get much smoke w/o TMCC. I get lots of smoke w/TMCC I don't believe the battery has anything to do with smoke. Going to max throttle in neutral and worming up the smoke unit produces lots of smoke. It will continue a little in non-TMCC mode but cools off eventually. I believe there is an optical link on the drawbar. Do your test again, but set them close with the drawbars lined up, but not touching. I get good Chuff in TMCC and non-TMCC mode. I don't get very good sound operation (everything but chuff) in non-TMCC mode unless I have a load on the unit. Even then there are patches of track that the sound doesn't work. The sound (whistle/crewtalk/bell) works great in non-TMCC mode in neutral with the voltage cranked up to max on my 18B (around 20V no load) My conclusion and what I have heard from 3 o 4 other folks is: You won't get much smoke w/o TMCC. Chuff works pretty good w/o TMCC, but is much better and doesn't require much from the battery using TMCC. The railsounds (other than chuff) are much much much better with TMCC, and some you can't get at all without TMCC. I believe you get one chuff sound at piston extension and one at retraction. It appears to be timed to the left side and there are only 2 per revolution. Mark -----Original Message----- From: nyc17819@... [mailto:nyc17819@...] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2-8-2 Smoke My Flyonel 2-8-2 doesn't seem to smoke very well. I'm running it with an AF 30B transformer that probably puts out a maximum of 15 or 16 volts, and I don't have a battery in the tender (although I don't see what that has to do with smoke). With the switch in the smokebox door slid to the left (on) I was never able to get any smoke regardless of how much Lionel smoke fluid I put in the stack. I'd generally been running at 11-12 volts and a good load on the drawbar so the sound system would have enough voltage and the engine would be running slowly to really hear it bark. Impressive. But no smoke! I did try running at higher speeds and higher voltages, but again, no smoke. I began to think something was wrong with the smoke unit so I called my dealer who told me that his distributor told him that although Lionel hasn't really said much about it, TMCC is needed to get much smoke, and that about 17 volts is needed otherwise. He also said the distributor had burned out one unit trying to get smoke using higher voltages. (I'm not sure if it was a smoke unit that burned out, a sound system, or something else.) Last night I coupled a string of AF dummy A and B units to the 2-8-2, added a few drops of smoke fluid, and set the throttle to wide-open. She started smoking! It also seems to smoke, now, at lower voltages although I'm not sure if the element was heated by the higher voltage and just hadn't cooled off yet. For those of you with TMCC, what is the difference in smoke when using TMCC and when not using TMCC? Has anyone else had a similar experience to mine? Some other observations that may be of interest: I tried using the Lionel smoke fluid in an AF 4-4-2. It smokes very well, and doesn't seem to need particularly high voltage in the Atlantic. The smoke seems a different color than Gilbert smoke fluid. I tried running the 2-8-2 with the tender uncoupled but on the track receiving power. No sound came from the tender. Then I tried dragging the tender around with the AF Atlantic but again there was no sound. Next, I tried running the 2-8-2 by itself with the Atlantic pulling the 2-8-2's tender at the same time and again-no sound. I conclude that the drawbar does conduct electricity, if only a signal, from the engine to the tender. Has anyone determined if there are four chugs per revolution of the drivers as there should be? It seems there are more chugs per revolution than the one chug that AF engines have, but it may not be four. Chris Harding S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34278	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: AF catalog on line at Lionel now

Lionel's AF line catalog is now on line at Lionel. http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=5&PageID=420 Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34279	From: roy inman	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Am turnouts

Wondering if anyone else has bought American Models turnouts wherein the straight length of rail is curved? Our club purchased a number of them to with the AM flex track we are using to retrack our modular layout. We will of course contact AM, but while we are awaiting Ron's reply, I am just curious if anyone else has encountered this problem, and if so how it was resolved. Thanks for any feedback. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34280	From: Phil K	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: AM turnouts -- slight curve in straight track

Hi Roy -- I remember reading somewhere -- possibly in AM literature -- that the outside straight rail on their turnouts was slightly concave [bent inward] to better ease the wheel flanges through the frog and guard rails to prevent rail-climbing and/or derailments. I have 42 AM turnouts purchased in the last three years and they're ALL like that. So far, it hasn't caused any problems. Hope this helps. Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > Wondering if anyone else has bought American Models turnouts wherein the > straight length of rail is curved? > Our club purchased a number of them to with the AM flex track we are using > to retrack our modular layout. > We will of course contact AM, but while we are awaiting Ron's reply, I am > just curious if anyone else has encountered this problem, and if so how it > was resolved. > Thanks for any feedback. > Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34281	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts

In a message dated 01/29/2005 7:16:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: Wondering if anyone else has bought American Models turnouts wherein the straight length of rail is curved? Our club purchased a number of them to with the AM flex track we are using to retrack our modular layout. We will of course contact AM, but while we are awaiting Ron's reply, I am just curious if anyone else has encountered this problem, and if so how it was resolved. Thanks for any feedback. Roy Inman I have several of them on my layout and the "straight" portion of each is slightly bowed. I just use them as is. It doesn't cause any problem. At least not so far in the past three years. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34282	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: AM turnouts

Wondering if anyone else has bought American Models turnouts wherein the straight length of rail is curved? Roy, The installation instructions that come with the turnouts state they are indeed made that way. When you look at a turnout, you will notice that the whole turnout is curved, not just the tangent stock rail. I'm not sure why they are made this way, but I believe it is to allow the use of the larger radius on the diverging route. I do straighten turnouts at installation and have experienced no problems other than the usual AM turnout troubles. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34283	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts

It's pretty subtle and not a problem with mine. I remember reading somewhere that they were made that way intentionally. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <rinphoto@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am turnouts > > > > In a message dated 01/29/2005 7:16:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > rinphoto@... writes: > > Wondering if anyone else has bought American Models turnouts wherein the > straight length of rail is curved? > Our club purchased a number of them to with the AM flex track we are using > to retrack our modular layout. > We will of course contact AM, but while we are awaiting Ron's reply, I am > just curious if anyone else has encountered this problem, and if so how it > was resolved. > Thanks for any feedback. > Roy Inman > > > > I have several of them on my layout and the "straight" portion of each > is slightly bowed. I just use them as is. It doesn't cause any problem. > At least not so far in the past three years. > > Steve > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34284	From: Tom	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: K-Line usable in S

This is about a scenery item usable on an S-Scale layout. If you aren’t interested, ignore this message, but please don’t spam me or rage on me. I just picked up a K-Line F-84 at a train meet. It appears to be S-Scale to judge by the size of the pilot, unlike the propeller planes, which are clearly 1/48. At any rate, for those of you who are modeling the 1950’s and want a plane to park in your Plasticville or K-Line Hanger, or want to use as a flatcar load, this is a good deal. K-Line sells this item in two different paint jobs with an MSRP of $6.95 but many dealers sell them for $6.00. A comparable unassembled, unpainted, undecorated model airplane kit runs about $14.00. If your dealer doesn’t have ‘em, you can order them from K-Line’s website. Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34285	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: AM turnouts

On Sunday, January 30, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Thomas Stoltz wrote: > > > Wondering if anyone else has bought American Models turnouts wherein > the > straight length of rail is curved? > > > Roy, > > The installation instructions that come with the turnouts state they > are indeed made that way. When you look at a turnout, you will notice > that the whole turnout is curved, not just the tangent stock rail. > I'm not sure why they are made this way, but I believe it is to allow > the use of the larger radius on the diverging route. > Tom Stoltz FYI the whole diverging route of a prototype turnout is not curved. The frog is straight so the guard rail area would also be straight. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is fine for doing well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34286	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts

The American Models turnouts, along with the sectional and flextrack, were a major step forward for S gaugers when they were first introduced, especially for those of us wanting track that was much improved operationally and aesthretically from American Flyer track and switches. It was hailed as being a "universal" track system that would handle both scale and hi-rail, something that the gauge really needed. American Models explained that when the track was introduced that there was this slight curve in the straight section which made it easier to achieve the desired operational characteristics. Today I still think the track was a major step forward in the evolution of S gauge products even though the turnouts failed to be the ultimate "universal" product we were hoping for. But be that it may, the system works great for high-rail or for scale if you make small modifications to the turnouts. Its just not perfect for running both high-rail and scale at the same time...........But it was clearly explained at the introduction that the slight curve in the straight section was part of the intentional design and should not be considered a flaw in the product. - Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34287	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: I've seen it

The $699.95 Mikado in a Central PA train shop. Had the owner verify the price, claims he has a lot of them, guess so, only saw the one on display. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34288	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: I've seen it

OOOPS, the NYC Mike alone, by itself. Only. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34289	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 30, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34290	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: 4 Lionel/AF B&O S-Gauge Budd Passenger Cars + 2 Bonus Car set for S

B&O Fans, Selling just the 4 passenger cars (baggage combine, coach, dome observation) PLUS the 2 bonus cars (full baggage and diner) which go with the Mikado. These are new and have never been out of the box. I want $300 for all 6 passenger cars plus postage and insurance. Thats the early bird price and cost to me. LAST CHANCE BEFORE PUT THEM UP FOR AUCTION. Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO Member: NASG Member: American Flyer S-Gaugers of St. Louis Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34291	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Re: Am turnouts

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > Wondering if anyone else has bought American Models turnouts wherein the > straight length of rail is curved? > Our club purchased a number of them to with the AM flex track we are using > to retrack our modular layout. > We will of course contact AM, but while we are awaiting Ron's reply, I am > just curious if anyone else has encountered this problem, and if so how it > was resolved. > Thanks for any feedback. > Roy Inman I have about 20 AM turnouts on my layout and they all have the bow you describe. I'm not crazy about it because it makes the trains "waggle" as they go through them, but it has never been a problem. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34292	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/30/2005
Subject: Operating Observation of AM Turnouts

Since the subject of discussion has been on AM turnouts, I thought I'd mention an observation I made regarding their operation. I had noticed that, when running some of my K-Line S Gauge cars through AM turnouts, one of the cars had a tendency to derail when passing over the frog. I examined the problem truck carefully and compared the gauge with another car that went through with no trouble. No obvious difference. Then I rolled the car through the turnout very slowly, watching the flanges pass through. I noticed that there was some side to side movement possible between each wheelset and the turnout. It was then that I realized that any "wheel gunk" (the gummy gray stuff that builds up on your wheel treads and track over time) on the frog prevented this sideways movement of the wheelset from occurring smoothly. An application of "Goo Gone" on a paper towel removed the gummy substance from the frog surface and my wheels and the derailing problem went away. I recently added several AM turnouts to the yard area of my layout and at first couldn't get a long mixed freight of AF and K-Line to pass through without derailing. A quick cleaning of the frogs and railheads with Goo Gone and I can now blast through the array of turnouts at near full throttle with no problems. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34293	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: How was Springfield

Gents Know that it's a little early yet and those of you that went are taking advantage of a bed by now. However, when you get a chance would like to hear of the happenings, if any, at Springfield. Had a gout attack in my knee and was not in any kind of shape to drive my son's truck for any long distance travel to see one of the best shows as much as I wanted too. Anyway, Hope to hear from you. Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34294	From: charlie and edith	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Airbrush

Greetings! My apologizes for the way the computer organized the the text of the Bell Danger Signal message. Wish I knew why and how to fix it. Considering the purchase of an airbrush ... Have found a number of manufactures and models, internal/external mix ... single action and double action. Plan to reclaim some abused passenger cars. What features have you found most workable for this kind of adventure? Thanks for any help you can provide! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34295	From: clifma19	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: 2-8-2 Smoke

I want to add my confirmation to the observations of everyone about the Lionel/American Flyer Mikado. I love my B&O set. It is everything I hoped but........ it does not always work in conventional mode. I still do not have my TMCC equipment athough it is on order. I was very concerned about the smoke unit when I first got it. Doug and several others had the first insight and I am glad everyone has confirmed their conclusions. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34296	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: American Hi Rail Zephyr

Hi Has anyone on the list purchased an American Hi-Rail /aka Tom Hodgson Zephyr or Flying Yankee in Hi Rail. If so are you running it on tin plate track ok ? Thanks AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34297	From: John Foley	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: NASG's S Buyer's Guide

Hi Folks I just finished updating the NASG's S Trains Buyer's Guide. We will insert a copy in an issue of the Dispatch ASAP. For Non-members who would like a copy please send me a SSAE. You can find my address at http://www.nasg.org/news.html From now on Dave Held will be updating the Buyer's Guide. On it you will see contact information for him. If you know about a change or a new manufacturer please let Dave know. The Buyer's Guide includes all of S, Hi-rail, Scale & Narrow Gauge Thanks John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34298	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: American Hi Rail Zephyr

I don't have one but a friend in our club does. He brought it to our show last weekend and ran it on our hi rail, original flyer track modular layout with no problems that I saw. It was the Flying Yankee version and it was gorgeous! Steve Quoting Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...>: > > > > Hi > > Has anyone on the list purchased an American Hi-Rail /aka Tom Hodgson > Zephyr or Flying Yankee in Hi Rail. If so are you running it on tin plate > track ok ? > > Thanks AL > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34299	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: SF 360/364 on a curve?

I have a rather odd problem. I have a simple oval of original track as part of a larger layout I am building. I have been testing everything using my 360/364 pulling the 660/662/663 train. When I run this train on the curve going into the oval, it slows down dramatically, skips a bit (like it gets some power, then stops, then more power-but the reverse unit doesn't kick in), then finally pulls away from the first car in the train and takes off. Everything works fine around the other parts of the layout. Also when I run the PAPB engine by itself, it runs fine around the oval. It is almost like the passenger cars are getting hooked up on something, but I couldn't find anything that they would catch on. Any ideas? Might the curve be too tight?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34300	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: American Hi Rail Zephyr

I bought 2 of these , & so far I think it is Tom's best efforts to make something that the the others can't / won't make, I am running them on AF & K-line track with no problems as it has 2 motors & is an excellent runner.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34301	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: West Springfield MA train show

I saw Gary and Laura in the main building on Sunday morning. I think everyone had a pretty good show. The attendance was over 16,000. Don mlmarmer wrote: >No Gary Clark! > >Mike Marmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34302	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: SF 360/364 on a curve?

1. Try pulling the cars with your finger to se if they bind... 2. The 3 cars were really too heavy for the 360, being metal..... thats why the 661 was extra....... 3. Try running an extra power wire to the furtherest part of the oval... I usually put a connection about every 10 sections of track..... Bob > > From: "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@...> > Date: 2005/01/31 Mon AM 11:36:22 EST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] SF 360/364 on a curve? > > > > > I have a rather odd problem. I have a simple oval of original track > as part of a larger layout I am building. I have been testing > everything using my 360/364 pulling the 660/662/663 train. When I > run this train on the curve going into the oval, it slows down > dramatically, skips a bit (like it gets some power, then stops, then > more power-but the reverse unit doesn't kick in), then finally pulls > away from the first car in the train and takes off. Everything > works fine around the other parts of the layout. Also when I run > the PAPB engine by itself, it runs fine around the oval. It is > almost like the passenger cars are getting hooked up on something, > but I couldn't find anything that they would catch on. > > Any ideas? Might the curve be too tight? > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34303	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2559

Charlie wrote: Considering the purchase of an airbrush ... Have found a number of manufactures and models, internal/external mix ... single action and double action. Plan to reclaim some abused passenger cars. What features have you found most workable for this kind of adventure? Thanks for any help you can provide! Best wishes, Charlie I have used at one time or another most of the air brushes available on the market . I prefer a internal mix single action for most Model painting. Internal/external mix both require cleaning to give a good job, the internal mix the paint in a finer spray. Double action is used for most art work where a density of paint is desirable. Colors of paint require different pressure settings, I would recommend buying a automobile shop compressor with a tank and pressure regulator. Checker or auto zone has some in the $75. to $100 range which work good. I prefer a Badger with a large or illustration tip, ( their tip are available ) spray pressures around 25 psi. Read books on painting models, their are a lot of then on the market. Painting is where the fun begins. First project should be the silver Burlington PA that Gilbert never produced, they look real good. Jerry 77-11644 I have an air brush for sale. Contact me off line for more painting information

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34304	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Airbrush

I used to do airbrush art on custom motorcycles and used several models,I would look for a commonly used brand at an art supply store. I say commonly used to make it easy to obtain replacement parts and to add accessories as you master its use. I prefer a double action but it takes time to learn to control it. However, an airbrush is good for weathering but a small "touch up" gun would be better for painting a car or loco body. It would give you a bigger fan or spray pattern [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34305	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: airbrush

if the body can be heated it will prevent runs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34306	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: FW: Trainmaster command set

If anyone is looking for the 6-12969 set they have at least one at the hobby shop below. This is the cab-1 and the command base, but not the powermaster for conventional operation. I believe they want around $100.00 for the set. The word is getting out that these are backordered from Lionel and they are starting to go a little high on ebay. So this is a change to get one at the regular price. FOX HOBBIES 8111 Rawsonville Rd. Belleville, Michigan 48111-9317 1-800-851-3277(Ext 111) Business Hours - 8:00am. - 5:00 p.m. M-F [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34307	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Track question

Hi, I'm building a multi-tier layout. I want to run Flyer and S-Scale trains. What is the best track I should use? Also, what about height? How far should my levels be? Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34308	From: larryasp	Date: 1/31/2005
Subject: Flyer Remote Control

I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, as the engine can really get rolling. A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34309	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer Remote Control

There are some interesting possibilities with a combination of the powermaster and the command base. I am actually using the TPC 400 which is a little different from the powermaster, but I think most things would be the same. You chose to limit your track voltage. This something the powermaster can do for you as a setting when using it and the command base together. If you turn off the command base the powermaster will control the track voltage and operate your TMCC engine in conventional mode and will operate your regular flyer ac stuff the same way. You can set a minimum voltage for the powermaster to make the reverse units cycle (or not) A fun think to do that is not very practical unless you have a slow conventional locomotive, or one that takes a lot of voltage to move is to place your TMCC flyer and your conventional flyer on the same loop. You can control the speed of the conventional locomotive by varying track voltage. This also changes the speed of the TMCC locomotive, but you can adjust the speed wheel on the CAB-1 and keep them in synch, as long as the TMCC unit has the capability of going as fast or faster than the conventional (at a give track voltage). If you get in trouble you can dump the voltage to the track via the cab-1/powermaster, or by manually turning off the transformer. One of the reasons you stated for reducing your track voltage was that the Mikado was fast. There is another way to deal with this situation if you would like to have the track voltage high for other reasons. Look in your Mikado book and you will find the following instructions. If you want to limit the top speed press Aux-1 the press set. (the headlight will be flashing) adjust your top speed to where you want it and then press boost. This will keep your Mikado from ever going faster than this set point no matter how much you turn up your speed on the cab-1. Another thing you can do to improve the controllability, especially if you have a heavy load of rolling stock lashed up to the Mikado. The feature is setting minimum voltage. The book tells you how, but doesn't go into what it can do for you. If you have a heavy load you will find yourself cranking on the speed control and it will have so much deadband from a start that you will turn up the speed, and nothing happens, you turn it up again and nothing happens. Then you crank it a good spin and the loco takes off faster than you wanted for your nice scale like start. What you do is press aux-1, press set, the light flashes just like when we set top speed. Now you slowly turn up the speed know until you see that the loco is just about to move. (maybe even back up the speed knob just a skosh) Now press set, the engine will whistle to acknowledge the set. This will set the minimum voltage. Now when you carefully move the speed knob for a start you don't have the deadband. You are now starting the knob from the point if impending movement of the loco. If you mess up just press set twice for a second each and when the whistle blows it will have reset itself back to normal. -----Original Message----- From: larryasp [mailto:larry.asp@...] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:33 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Remote Control I bit the bullet and purchased the TMCC to run my Flyonel Mikado and am very pleased about it. I reduced the voltage to the track from my AF transformer, as the engine can really get rolling. A question - Lionel lmakes a Power Master which I presume can be run as a remote control power output to the track, so one could run old Flyer engines by remote control? I assume some of you have tried this. How well does this work and what is the best configuration with the TMCC set to use? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34310	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: AM scale wheels

I have a set of geared scale wheels for an AM F7 that I would like to trade to someone for some hi-rail geared wheels . Any takers out there? Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34311	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: The Upstairs Train - track layout posted

By popular demand, I have posted a track layout plan on my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/grand_tour.html Bob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34312	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: American Hi Rail Zephyr

I had been running mine on our Christmas layout on Flyer track with no problems. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/amflyer336/album?.dir=8592&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/amflyer336/my_photos I was surprised how close the last car comes to the Flyer switch housing on a curve. Fortunately I didn't add any stripes to my set! Gregg >Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:19:48 -0500 > From: Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...> >Subject: American Hi Rail Zephyr > > > >Hi > >Has anyone on the list purchased an American Hi-Rail /aka Tom Hodgson >Zephyr or Flying Yankee in Hi Rail. If so are you running it on tin plate >track ok ? > >Thanks AL >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34313	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: TMCC Neat-O!

I finished my first TMCC conversion last night and to quote Carl Tuveson's website.. Neat-O!!! I used Carl's AC/ DC MDB on a diecast 302 that I had converted to use an SNS 1/2 speed can motor. I ordered the Lionel R2LC receiver boards from Ed at Digital Dynamics. Carl's kit is great with good documentation and all the parts needed to mount and connect the board. I used a plastic tender so I was able to mount the antennae inside. I had a great time last night playing tag with the Mikado on my single dogbone Christmas Layout. The family has been cutting into train time this week, but I'll post some pictures soon. Ya gotta give this a try, it's really Neat - O!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34314	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO O-6-O

Does anyone have a copy of the wiring diagram for this engine? Or a website with it on? I tried the RFG website and couldn't find anything but an exploded parts view. Thanks, Chris Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34315	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Gilbert HO O-6-O

Thanks for all the help everyone! Gotter runnin and smokin like a champ now. CB Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 http://www.elizabethstation.com/ "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34316	From: keefer1	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: union station paint match

Anyone found anything in a spray can that is close enogh for a complete repaint? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34317	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Union Station repaint

Hi Keith, I used Testor's Desert Sand on a couple I have done. It's very close. A bit warmer in tone, but acceptable and flat in finish. And Testor's is compatible with plastic. I believe Ron Leventon has the window material too. Rustoleum has a green that is also very close to the roof color. It's also a satin finish, so it looks very good. Floquil's Tuscan is good for the awning and square roofs. I could send photos if you wish. Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34318	From: David Avedesian	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Lionel new Steam Engine

I have gotten the new Lionel steam engine. The owner's manual made a point to say "do not run the engine on DC power". I run AF/AM/SHS on a DC/DCC hi-rail system using AF track and switches. My question is can the new engine be run on DC and can it be used with a DCC decoder? If yes, what needs to done? Thank you, David Avedesian Silver Spring, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34319	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel new Steam Engine

Dear David, I think it is just the TMCC electronics that are not compatible with AC. I would suspect you would need to disconnect the TMCC and then install the DCC decoder. Don David Avedesian wrote: >I have gotten the new Lionel steam engine. The owner's manual made a >point to say "do not run the engine on DC power". > >I run AF/AM/SHS on a DC/DCC hi-rail system using AF track and switches. > > >My question is can the new engine be run on DC and can it be used with a >DCC decoder? If yes, what needs to done? > >Thank you, > >David Avedesian >Silver Spring, MD > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34320	From: hgetrain	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel new Steam Engine

David, You can't run the Mike on DC. Since Lionel uses a small DC signal to operate the whistle and bell, the locomotive may run but either the whistle or bell will sound continuously depending on the polarity of the DC. Even worse, you may damage the electronics. I use a switch to change from DC to AC when I run the Mike. I bought a small MTH transformer to supply the AC and to control the whistle and bell. I do not use DCC but I think the same arrangement could be used. Hopefully, someone will come up with some simple circuits which will permit more flexible operation between the various systems. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Avedesian" <david.avedesian@c...> wrote: > > I have gotten the new Lionel steam engine. The owner's manual made a > point to say "do not run the engine on DC power". > > I run AF/AM/SHS on a DC/DCC hi-rail system using AF track and switches. > > > My question is can the new engine be run on DC and can it be used with a > DCC decoder? If yes, what needs to done? > > Thank you, > > David Avedesian > Silver Spring, MD > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34321	From: roy inman	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: FW: [weathering] (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 34322	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Help needed: electrical problem

I am experiencing a strange problem. One line of my layout gradually developed a problem of weak power - trains run VERY slow. Then a couple of months later, a second line developed a similar problem, and now, a couple more months later, a third line is developing the problem. In each case, it didn't just suddenly start, but it started gradually and got worse and worse over a period of two months or so. It can't be the transformer because all three lines are powered by the same transformer. Initially one was weak, but the other two were still strong. All three lines are alternate routes around my big lower loop: switches take the train on one line or another. The deterioration of power happens within four track lengths of the power source, well within the ten lengths guideline cited in a recent group message. I'm using Gilbert track from the 1950s. Can anyone give me any hints where to start looking? I'm thinking of pulling up the track out of its rubber roadbed, cleaning all the connecting track pins, and checking electrical connectivity. Thanks in advance for your help. Bob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34323	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem

Run a direct power feed and common to the section of track that is slow. Just twist the wire and stuff it between the rail and the roadbed for this test. (for the power and the common). This will be a quick test, and will probably comfirm that you have a poor contact in your rail. It is common for them to start out with good contact and slowly deteriorate with time, and operation. My moving this jumper from one section to the other you should be able to isolate which sections have the most voltage drop. If you have a volt meter you can do this easier by looking for voltage drop from section to section with a load on the track. The section with the high voltage drop is the culprit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help needed: electrical problem > > > I am experiencing a strange problem. One line of my layout gradually developed a problem of weak power - trains run VERY slow. Then a couple of months later, a second line developed a similar problem, and now, a couple more months later, a third line is developing the problem. In each case, it didn't just suddenly start, but it started gradually and got worse and worse over a period of two months or so. > > It can't be the transformer because all three lines are powered by the same transformer. Initially one was weak, but the other two were still strong. > > All three lines are alternate routes around my big lower loop: switches take the train on one line or another. The deterioration of power happens within four track lengths of the power source, well within the ten lengths guideline cited in a recent group message. I'm using Gilbert track from the 1950s. > > Can anyone give me any hints where to start looking? I'm thinking of pulling up the track out of its rubber roadbed, cleaning all the connecting track pins, and checking electrical connectivity. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Bob > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34324	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem

Run a direct power feed wire and common feed wire to the section of track that is slow. Just twist the wire and stuff it between the rail and the roadbed for this test. (for the power and the common, and don't short them together). This will be a quick test, and will probably comfirm that you have a poor contact in your rail. It is common for them to start out with good contact and slowly deteriorate with time, and operation. My moving this jumper from one section to the other you should be able to isolate which sections have the most voltage drop. If you have a volt meter you can do this easier by looking for voltage drop from section to section with a load on the track. The section with the high voltage drop is the culprit. Just because it is close to the trasformer is no sign that it isn't a poor connection. The train is being fed power from the other side of the loop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help needed: electrical problem > > > I am experiencing a strange problem. One line of my layout gradually developed a problem of weak power - trains run VERY slow. Then a couple of months later, a second line developed a similar problem, and now, a couple more months later, a third line is developing the problem. In each case, it didn't just suddenly start, but it started gradually and got worse and worse over a period of two months or so. > > It can't be the transformer because all three lines are powered by the same transformer. Initially one was weak, but the other two were still strong. > > All three lines are alternate routes around my big lower loop: switches take the train on one line or another. The deterioration of power happens within four track lengths of the power source, well within the ten lengths guideline cited in a recent group message. I'm using Gilbert track from the 1950s. > > Can anyone give me any hints where to start looking? I'm thinking of pulling up the track out of its rubber roadbed, cleaning all the connecting track pins, and checking electrical connectivity. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Bob > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34325	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem

That sounds like a high resistance short somewhere. I assume you have isolated the problem to verify it is not specific engine related. A cheap $10-15 meter would help by measuring resistance between the 2 rails. There should be none with the transformer leads disconnected. Another thing to try is to disconnect and reconnect the rail joints to re-establish good contact. Flyer recommended you bend the track pins apart so they offer better contact by rubbing hard against each other when assembled. Keep us informed. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help needed: electrical problem > > > I am experiencing a strange problem. One line of my layout gradually developed a problem of weak power - trains run VERY slow. Then a couple of months later, a second line developed a similar problem, and now, a couple more months later, a third line is developing the problem. In each case, it didn't just suddenly start, but it started gradually and got worse and worse over a period of two months or so. > > It can't be the transformer because all three lines are powered by the same transformer. Initially one was weak, but the other two were still strong. > > All three lines are alternate routes around my big lower loop: switches take the train on one line or another. The deterioration of power happens within four track lengths of the power source, well within the ten lengths guideline cited in a recent group message. I'm using Gilbert track from the 1950s. > > Can anyone give me any hints where to start looking? I'm thinking of pulling up the track out of its rubber roadbed, cleaning all the connecting track pins, and checking electrical connectivity. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Bob > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34326	From: John Foley	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: Allentown, PA Train Show

Hi Folks The Allentown Spring Thaw train show will be held Feb 26th & 27th. This is a good show for S gaugers. The North Penn S Gaugers will be operating their layout which operates both Hi-rail and Scale. I'll be set up with the NASG tables with goodies for sale and signing up new members. Penty of AF for sale, also Bill Parr a dealer in SHS & AM products will be selling. Royal,Lehigh Valley Models and others will also have their goods for sale. Here is the website for the show with directions, http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com/ See you there John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34327	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: yet another loss

Once again, I am sad to report the loss of another member of the Maine S Gaugers and the NASG. John Bennett lost his battle with cancer this morning. John was a Flyer purist, who had a beautiful ACG layout that was the focal point of our MSG meetings at his home. Friends of his urged him to do a video perspective of his railroad and to submit it to TM Productions. I was lucky enough to see the pre-production copy of this film; it was very entertaining and featured a lot of vintage Flyer and ACG accessories. The out takes, of course, were quite humorous and hi-lighted a great side to John's view of collecting. He will be missed at our meetings and our heart felt sympathy goes out to his family. Sadly, Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34328	From: keefer1	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: off topic Rcon7

Chiefpile it up,contact me off list please . Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34329	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: re. electrical problem

several "quick and dirty"ways to hunt down electrical gremlins.after running trains for a while,go around and touch each track joint,a really bad connection will get surprisingly warm.Gilbert track terminals will sometimes get dirty/corroded over time,remove terminal and clean terminal and edges of track with Scotch Brite.hope this helps. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34330	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: TMCC stuff

I learned something that might be of interest to the group tonight. Most of my time playing with the TMCC has been with the Mikado in TMCC mode. When I have used the cab-1 to drive my TPC 400 (It is like the powermaster.) and operate my conventional locos I spent most of the time operating either AM/SHS or old flyer steamers with frame motors and mechanical reverse units. Well tonight I sat one of the notoriously high geared, jack rabbit start Flyonel PA units on the track. Much to my surprise it is a whole different animal with the cab-1/TPC400 combo. Now don't get me wrong it is still high geared, but the controllability from a start is much much better. It is really sweet to be able to make a smooth start with one of these PA's I tried one of the new Baldwins next and saw similar improvement. I don't have a powermaster and supposedly there are more steps available on the TPC400, but I ended up changing it to medium resolution and I believe that places it in the same step range as the powermaster. My SHS SW-9 and my AM U25 is a lot more fun with this combination. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34331	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/2/2005
Subject: B&O Mikado on Ebay

Click on link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954402326 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34332	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Allentown, PA Train Show

Dear John, Due to our trip to China the following week, we will not be able to attend the Allentown show this year. As you stated we will have several dealers in the hall selling our products. Best regards, Don John Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > The Allentown Spring Thaw train show will be held >Feb 26th & 27th. This is a good show for S gaugers. >The North Penn S Gaugers will be operating their >layout which operates both Hi-rail and Scale. I'll be >set up with the NASG tables with goodies for sale and >signing up new members. Penty of AF for sale, also >Bill Parr a dealer in SHS & AM products will be selling. >Royal,Lehigh Valley Models and others will also have their >goods for sale. > Here is the website for the show with directions, >http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com/ > >See you there > > >John Foley >NASG Promotions >www.nasg.org > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg > >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34333	From: CoasterBill	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: TMCC problem with conventional trains

Like many others I really love my B&O Mikado which I got this past Saturday. I wante to use my TMCC remote with other tracks as well so I purchased a TMCC 135 PowerMaster to use with a track that has 3 different passenger sets on it which run at the most 2 at a time. This has never been a problem with my power source. When I put this unit in the line it has made it that even with only one train running the speed of the trains are very slow and one of them will not even move. Does the unit use quit a bit of the power itself or is there some other problem? I am not sure if going up to one of the higher grade units will make everything work as it should or what. The unit will not be useable in the way I had hoped but do not know if upgrading will do anything either. I also did not know if I may be doing something wrong as well. I tried turning the power cord around to see if it was a polarity problem but it did not make any difference. I am interested to see if anyone has any ideas. Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34334	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC problem with conventional trains

This is just a guess, but It seems like 135 wants might be a little on the low side for 3 passenger trains. Are these Flyer passenger trains or are they using AM/SHS (or at least Flyonel can motor diesels) It seems like it would really tax the 135 if you had one or more of the old open frame flyer motor driven locomotives. What size transformer are you using? If it is a 300 watt transformer it is a cinch that one powermaster is not going to make use of all its power. Rather than go to one higher power single unit like the TPC300 or 400, perhaps you need to setup a couple or more powermasters. I got the TPC 400 for two reasons. 1. It was in stock, and the price was marked down. 2. It is supposed to control Protosounds A drawback of the 300/400 is they need a communication cable from the command base. I don't have a powermaster, but my understanding by reading literature is that it uses an RF link to communicate with the command base/cab-1. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "CoasterBill" <coasterbill@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC problem with conventional trains > > > > Like many others I really love my B&O Mikado which I got this past > Saturday. I wante to use my TMCC remote with other tracks as well so > I purchased a TMCC 135 PowerMaster to use with a track that has 3 > different passenger sets on it which run at the most 2 at a time. > This has never been a problem with my power source. When I put this > unit in the line it has made it that even with only one train running > the speed of the trains are very slow and one of them will not even > move. Does the unit use quit a bit of the power itself or is there > some other problem? I am not sure if going up to one of the higher > grade units will make everything work as it should or what. The unit > will not be useable in the way I had hoped but do not know if > upgrading will do anything either. I also did not know if I may be > doing something wrong as well. I tried turning the power cord around > to see if it was a polarity problem but it did not make any > difference. I am interested to see if anyone has any ideas. > Thanks, Bill > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34335	From: John Foley	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Smoken Hole Street Lights

Hi Folks I just revieved my order from Smoken Hole Hobbies http://www.dannowicki.com/ They are great looking, I ordered the the S-Scale 2 Street lights Painted green. They come just about ready to install. Just tie in the resistor provided, place them and hook up the power, no assembly other then that. 2 per pack for only $8. John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34336	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Boiler Front - 342AC

Dear Larry: Put a small piece of masking tape on one of the wedges on the front edge of the boiler front. That will increase its diameter enough that it will stay in. Thorin ______________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:32:44 -0500 From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> Subject: Boiler Front - 342AC I just obtained a very nice 342AC - works great - but the boiler front wont stay tight, causing light from the headlight to shine out around the top of the rim. This front does not have clips, but rather has small wedges on the edge of the front piece. What is the best way or some tried and trued ways of keeping the front piece in place without risking damage to the piece etc. ? Im also watching with interest the groups comments on the Flyonel Mikado - I was fortunate to get one from a local dealer who only had 2 - he wishes he had 20. Nice piece, but doenst have the "nostalgia appeal" that the old Flyer stuff has. I dont have a command module. Mine worked fine out of the box, but after an hour began to slow down. Im wondering if the electronics in it has some kind of regulation to speed because once the throttle is about 2/3 open on the AF transformer - it doestn want to accelerate any further when its opened further. The sound activation button doesnt always turn on the bell etc. when pushed, but does slow the engine whenever activated - has anyone else found similar happenings? Im using an Flyer 16B transformer. Havnt cheked out the command module system yet - what are they worth these days? Thanks in advance to the group. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34337	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re;Mikado on Ebay

$795. is plenty as far as I'm concerned! Over $1,200. is insane! Especially as we now know there will be more Mikados! The seller MUST be dreaming. Stumpy Stone...poor folk from Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34338	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2547

Dear Stumpy: I have some very limited experience but all of the mint or NIB red/white boxes I have ever seen have contained Pike Master and other 1960s creations. Now, remember, ACG made TOYS and threw away nothing. Eventually they would use up whatever stock they. I am sure that somewhere, someone has a three digit car in its original red/white box. This is because this early 1950s car was finally sold in the 1960s. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:18:52 -0000 From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Subject: AF boxes...again! I got little reaction to my question about which American Flyer boxes were for what years. All that I've been told is the blue/yellow were 1946 and later, and that the red/white boxes were later, toward the end of Flyer production. When did Gilbert change from blue/yellow to red/white boxes? When they brought out the knuckle couplers? When they changed car numbers from 600 series to 900 series? When they went to five digit numbers? When they changed the line to PikeMaster and All Aboard equipment? I'd like to put my loose rolling stock into Portline's repro boxes because they're easier to store in stacked boxes than a pile of loose cars! I figure I might as well put them in the right ones. Stumpy Stone...inquiring mind that wants to know in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34339	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Mikado on Ebay

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > > $795. is plenty as far as I'm concerned! Over $1,200. is insane! > Especially as we now know there will be more Mikados! > The seller MUST be dreaming. > Stumpy Stone...poor folk from Appalachia. Maybe his wife wants him to sell it :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34340	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Smoken Hole Street Lights

Dan N sent me a sample of his "hook" type platform light which he is selling for $8 (2 per pack) and it is very realistic and unlike most lights I have seen on the market! As John Foley said, check it out at _http://www.dannowicki.com/_ (http://www.dannowicki.com/) Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34341	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2005
Subject: Re: Help needed: electrical problem

That sounds like a lot of work do the simple stuff first. Try a different transformer, unless the trains run fine in other parts of the layout. Are you running more than one train at a time clean the track What size is the wire from the transformer to the track? Is this wire hot? To eliminate many electrical problems on a permanent layout the track joints should be soldered together Electricity is like water. The more faucets you open at once the less power you get at each faucet, and each joint in the pipe can leak water The smaller the pipe the less water you can get through it Large layouts should use a larger diameter wire. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34342	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Big "L" catalog

Everyone has been looking at the AF section. There are also two cars in the DISNEY section on page 19 in case anyone is interested. jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34343	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: (no subject)

- Greetings - Regarding electrical problems, Gargraves has given me a few more problems than the AF track. Varsol has been my favorite track cleaner. But when the track pins quit carrying current, I pulled a few sections apart and found the junc- tions wet with train oil and remnants of Varsol. A good cleaning put all to right again. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34344	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Another Mikado on Ebay, this time NYC

Link below: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954702557& rd=1> &category=480&item=5954702557&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34345	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2562

Dear Bob: I know you are getting a number of suggestions on how to fix this power problem. But all of the solutions have concentrated on getting power from the final wire to the rail. (This is often the culprit so I solder my wires to the bottom of my AF track.) I had a similar problem and found the switches in my control panel were overheating! I use Atlas' Controllers and they eventually wear out with the high amperage loads of vintage AF. This would explain why one line was fine and then started fading followed by a second line being fine and then fading.... Back to powering the track. I have two portions of my layout: around the room and table-top. Around the room never changes. I feed every fourth section of track by soldering wires directly to the bottom of the AF track. A Dremmel with a wire brush 'cleanses' the area before applying the rosin flux and solder. (Actually the wire brush cuts through the tin and exposes the steel, which can rust.) Thus each powered section feeds itself plus the two sections plugged into it. Kinked pins make these into blocks of three both mechanically and electically. My staging yards are also static and they share this technique. The table-top area changes track arrangement fairly frequently. It is often just feed from each end for 20+ sections with switches and other section breaks. I ALWAYS have problems here and I earned them! Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:51:20 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Help needed: electrical problem I am experiencing a strange problem. One line of my layout gradually developed a problem of weak power - trains run VERY slow. Then a couple of months later, a second line developed a similar problem, and now, a couple more months later, a third line is developing the problem. In each case, it didn't just suddenly start, but it started gradually and got worse and worse over a period of two months or so. It can't be the transformer because all three lines are powered by the same transformer. Initially one was weak, but the other two were still strong. All three lines are alternate routes around my big lower loop: switches take the train on one line or another. The deterioration of power happens within four track lengths of the power source, well within the ten lengths guideline cited in a recent group message. I'm using Gilbert track from the 1950s. Can anyone give me any hints where to start looking? I'm thinking of pulling up the track out of its rubber roadbed, cleaning all the connecting track pins, and checking electrical connectivity. Thanks in advance for your help. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34346	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalog

I seen that too , too bad the Simpsons cars(o gauge) do not have an S version. --- "J.Frederick Roberts" <jfred436@...> wrote: > > > > Everyone has been looking at the AF section. There > are also two cars > in the DISNEY section on page 19 in case anyone is > interested. > > jfred > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34347	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Big "L" catalog

Bruce, They are indeed offered. Johnny Lightning made them a few years ago. Look on eBay or at swap meets. Bart Rules! Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bruce weidner <weidner@a...> wrote: > > > I seen that too , too bad the Simpsons cars(o gauge) > do not have an S version. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34348	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 6, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34349	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2563 - AF Boxes

Pages 237 & 238 of Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Vol 1, 1997, has quite a lot of information and dates regarding the different boxes. Information seems fairly detailed. John Conn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34350	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Lionel gets $60 million in operating loans

Lionel gets financing Lionel LLC announced January 31 it has secured nearly $60 million in loans as it appeals a $41 million judgment in a piracy suit, according to an Associated Press story. Lionel, which entered Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in November, said Wachovia Bank and Guggenheim Funding Corp. provided the debtor- in-possession loans, which will be used for marketing and sales initiatives and working capital, as well as to refinance $35 million of existing debt. In June, a jury found that Lionel should pay $38.6 million to MTH Electric Trains and that Lionel supplier Korea Brass Co. should pay $2.2 million. MTH accused Lionel of selling trains based on designs stolen from a South Korean manufacturer working for MTH. Lionel denies the accusations.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34351	From: Phil K	Date: 2/4/2005
Subject: Lionel CEO speaks on loans, company direction

LIONEL TRAINS ANNOUNCES ALMOST $60 MILLION DIP FINANCING: Fuels Major Marketing and Sales Initiatives Files Notice of Appeal in Effort to Overturn Judgment in favor of MTH Chesterfield, Michigan - January 31, 2005 -- Lionel LLC, the nation's number one model train maker, today announced it has reached two significant milestones in the century-old model train maker's ongoing development and rebound from last summer's court loss: the company has successfully completed its Debtor-in- Possession (DIP) financing package, totaling almost $60 million, and has filed notice with the United States Court of Appeals that it will attempt to overturn a $40 million judgment entered in favor of Mike's Train House, Inc. (MTH) this past summer. Jerry Calabrese, Lionel's CEO, said, "I think these two events speak for themselves. Not only does our new financing ensure we have the resources to aggressively grow our business, it also offers very adequate funding to redouble our efforts to overturn what we truly believe was an unjust verdict in favor of MTH. The message should be very clear to our loyal fans and to our competitors: Lionel will continue to do business as it has always done business. We will make the best products and sell them for a fair price, and let the marketplace, not the courts, decide our ultimate fate. "The irony is that 2004 was one of Lionel's best years in recent history, and there is strong demand and high praise for our new products, like the GG1 and last year's runaway hit, The Polar Express train set. And while we're appreciative that the courts have approved our new financing and accepted our appeal, we'd rather spend our time, energy and money making great trains for the millions of people who love our brand and our products." Funds from the DIP financing will be used to fuel major marketing and sales initiatives and working capital, as well as to refinance approximately $35 million of existing debt. Wachovia Bank National Association and Guggenheim Funding Corporation LLC provided the loans, which have a three-year maturity.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34352	From: jt12313	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: wiring flyer rails...

Good morning all:) My layout is progressing slowly between kitchen repairs and the everyday things that come up. Since I am using original an K-line repo track...I recall a note within the last few months of fastening a wire to a rail either by wedging the end of the wire into the body of the rail and (A.) solder it to the rail or (B.) using the tie and insulating strip as a vise. Also with the A/B nature of the circuit or base, etal...how do you wire a flyer switch??? of the six joiner junctions...Does one rail (with two joiners) remain, say the A wire with conducting joiners and you use insulated joiners on the other four or... I want to build a switchyard and have no idea how to do it. I have to get it all straight in my head how to wire something where the engine will run across a number of switches with out shorting itself out [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34353	From: conehammer	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Changing couplers

Is it a mortal sin to replace link with knuckle couplers on the old flyer engines/ rolling stock. I ask as a newbie; having had an interest in these my whole life I've recently begun adding to my childhood sets. I'm certain the rekindled interest a common story. I just don't want to destroy value and some else's joy seeing link couplers; I'd rather take a detour around those than destroy their collectability, leave them as is and just operate pieces compatible with the larger portion of my collection. Having seen the results of others' attempts to 'fix' or 'improve' something I don't want to use the bigger hammer approach to repair. I've recently rebuilt two engines, one AF 301 and one SIT AF 322. I rather enjoy rebuilding smoke units! Such clever little devices they are. I took some license with the 301 as I made all my own parts for the smoke unit including the upper cover, a teflon piston, brass connecting rod and all new wiring. It was pretty much the basket case when I got it. The 322 SIT unit I converted to a piston type as the bellows was in tatters although I plan to rebuild the bellows also as it looks neat. I am fotunate to have a very complete hobbyist machine shop and foundry to make (almost) whatever I need... I make my own specialty screws if I need to. I also recently rebuilt a 30b transformer. All the way down to opening the meters to clean them out, some rewiring and I made two new carbon rollers.. This was fun also! Such a great hobby this! So different than some of my other hobby interests. Jerry http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/2828/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34354	From: Phil K	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re: Changing couplers

Jerry -- There really is no "right or wrong." Do whatever makes YOU happy, for that is the reason we're into model trains. What is your overall intent? Some people try to keep everything 100% original in order to protect the value, as they maintain Flyer as an investment. Some don't run the expensive/rare stuff at all -- it just sits on display shelves. Others do anything they want to make them functional for their own purposes. That is what you've done with the smoke units on your 301 and 322. Both of those are fairly common units, and if they were "basket cases" -- you did good in saving them from the landfill. I don't see that as any kind of "sin." Some guys want 100% internal and external original, and there are plenty of 301s and 322 SITs still available on the market. Others only care about 100% original external [cosmetics] -- paint, number and logo stamping, handrails, etc. But want them to run well too, and don't particularly care about what is in the guts. I've seen custom paint jobs on steam locos for railroads never produced by Gilbert, including red-orange cab roofs and tender logos. Tim Brown of this board has rescued junker tank cars and paint-converted them into the harder-to-find [read that "expensive"] versions, i.e. the Penn Salt. Of course, you wouldn't take a 21140 Northern in decent original condition [$1800 to $3500] and paint it as a circus engine, either. Regarding couplers, Flyer sold conversion kits when they debuted the knuckles in the early 1950s so link-coupler owners could make everything match if they wanted. If you want knuckles, try to find a couple of those kits, which would still keep them acceptable to most. But the bottom line is -- they're yours, and you can do whatever you want. Have fun, Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "conehammer" <conehammer@y...> wrote: > > > Is it a mortal sin to replace link with knuckle couplers on the > old flyer engines/ rolling stock. I ask as a newbie; having had an > interest in these my whole life I've recently begun adding to my > childhood sets. I'm certain the rekindled interest a common story. > I just don't want to destroy value and some else's joy seeing link > couplers; I'd rather take a detour around those than destroy their > collectability, leave them as is and just operate pieces compatible > with the larger portion of my collection. Having seen the results of > others' attempts to 'fix' or 'improve' something I don't want to use > the bigger hammer approach to repair. I've recently rebuilt two > engines, one AF 301 > and one SIT AF 322. I rather enjoy rebuilding smoke units! Such clever > little devices they are. I took some license with the 301 as I made > all my own parts for the smoke unit including the upper cover, a > teflon piston, brass connecting rod and all new wiring. It was pretty > much the basket case when I got it. The 322 SIT unit I converted to a > piston type as the bellows was in tatters although I plan to rebuild > the bellows also as it looks neat. I am fotunate to have a very > complete hobbyist machine shop and foundry to make (almost) whatever I > need... I make my own specialty screws if I need to. I also recently > rebuilt a 30b transformer. All the way down to opening the meters to > clean them out, some rewiring and I made two new carbon rollers.. This > was fun also! > > Such a great hobby this! So different than some of my other hobby > interests. > > Jerry > http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/2828/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34355	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re;Changing couplers

Go for it. As Phil says, Gilbert made conversion kits to update link to knuckle couplers. While purist collectors may frown, this was a fairly common American Flyer dealer practice. From another veiwpoint, it's your stuff, do what you want. I was kind of in a similar quandry when I started back into S gauge after years in model railroading in other scales. I bought some pretty scruffy stuff and brought it back to life, many times in a totally different livery. So far using common Flyer equipment or starting with junk has caused few ruffled feathers on this list. I wouldn't dream of modifying anything expensive and rare. If I had enough money to buy a Flyer 4-8-4, I'd buy a Flyonel Mikado instead because I'm an operator, not a collector. Stumpy Stone...having FUN with my trains in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34356	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)

Hello....Just curious , if anyone else has seen this particular version of this diesel. I am repairing it for a customer. It is the chrome version over the 360 SF chrome shell(This I have seen before) However, it is the guts that are interesting. The back three plastic standoff's that the screws thread into on the rear of the shell, are actually brass! These inserts are 7/8" long by 5/16" diameter, and they thread down into the plastic shell. It appears that this is certainly a factory modification. The screws that thread into these are a black metal while the remaining screws that hold down the front and middle of the chassis to the shell are the typical chrome ones(sorry no time to check AF part #'s). I guess this was done to be able to use these double motor shells for single motor use. Maybe, these are quite common, just never seen this before......Al Kielek ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34357	From: trainman634	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches

Has anyone on this forum purchased any of the new Ross S-Gauge switches? What is your review of the switches?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34358	From: flyernicki	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: T & P 812 Question

Hi Gang, have a question. I just picked up a AF T&P 812 this afternoon. I went to my price guide book, and it's not listed there. Am I missing something? Nicki P.S. GO EAGLES!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34359	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Changing couplers

The only problem converting to knuckles from links is the cars stand much farther apart after the conversion. For this reason I don't mix them much but prefer to leave links as is with occasional car fitted with one of each to allow me to make up trains. This is especially true with passenger cars. I went to the point of converting my heavyweights back to link. I tend to run passenger trains as units anyway so I only put a knuckle on the front of the passenger car set. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Changing couplers > > Go for it. As Phil says, Gilbert made conversion kits to update > link to knuckle couplers. While purist collectors may frown, this > was a fairly common American Flyer dealer practice. > From another veiwpoint, it's your stuff, do what you want. > I was kind of in a similar quandry when I started back into S gauge > after years in model railroading in other scales. I bought some > pretty scruffy stuff and brought it back to life, many times in a > totally different livery. So far using common Flyer equipment or > starting with junk has caused few ruffled feathers on this list. > I wouldn't dream of modifying anything expensive and rare. If I had > enough money to buy a Flyer 4-8-4, I'd buy a Flyonel Mikado instead > because I'm an operator, not a collector. > Stumpy Stone...having FUN with my trains in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34360	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: K325 question

I have a K325 with what appears to be a shortened metal smokestack insert. The inside of the smokestack is painted white, as on later steamers with "red glowing smoke", but the insert resembles the 1948- 1951 metal piece, only shorter by about 3/16". If you read the 1952 AF catalog, it states that "lighted smoke" is a feature of the K325 Hudson. Was this a transition design before "red glowing smoke" made its official debut in 1953 with translucent red plastic stack inserts? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34361	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: AF train list

Hello, Flyer Fans. My updated ten page Gilbert S list was emailed Feb 2 to everyone on my mailing list. If you did not receive a copy but would like one, please email me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34362	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Gilbert AF/TMCC question

I tried running a K325 this afternoon on my layout powered by an AF 19B and TMCC PowerMaster and I noticed that the whistle speaker made a loud humming noise. When I ran the locomotive using just the 19B and a Gilbert whistle control, the operation was normal with no loud hum. Has anyone else run Gilbert AF equipped with an Airchime Whistle or Horn using a TMCC PowerMaster? Did you experience the humming noise? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34363	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 2/5/2005
Subject: Re: T & P 812 Question

It's a 21812. Gilbert just didn't put the "21" on the cab. ----- Original Message ----- From: "flyernicki" <flyernicki@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] T & P 812 Question > > > > Hi Gang, have a question. I just picked up a AF T&P 812 this > afternoon. I went to my price guide book, and it's not listed > there. Am I missing something? Nicki > > P.S. GO EAGLES!!! > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34364	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF/TMCC question

Scott, The Powermaster output switches the 60 cycle track voltage twice in each cycle so there is a voltage transition (off to on, on to off) 240 times a second to control the power. This frequency range is what the old AC Gilbert horns and whistles sent down the track to make them work hence it makes them buzz. I have tried putting a smoothing choke in series with the Powermaster's output and it does help a bit but it still buzzes some it also reduces the track voltage. I used a secondary of a filament transformer for a choke. So this is a problem with the Powermaster or any non linear solid state transformer using triac outputs. It will make the old speakers buzz. I'm not sure if the TPC 300/3000s etc. will have the same problem. If they have a linear output they will work. If they have a switched output they will buzz too. Carl -----Original Message----- From: srgriggs [mailto:sgriggs@...] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert AF/TMCC question I tried running a K325 this afternoon on my layout powered by an AF 19B and TMCC PowerMaster and I noticed that the whistle speaker made a loud humming noise. When I ran the locomotive using just the 19B and a Gilbert whistle control, the operation was normal with no loud hum. Has anyone else run Gilbert AF equipped with an Airchime Whistle or Horn using a TMCC PowerMaster? Did you experience the humming noise? Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34365	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: The Stumpy Philosophy

Y'all...I've always thought I was a "light hearted" guy, but in 1997 I had two heart attacks that were "stress related" according to the doctors, the second one I was told I shouldn't have survived. They got me thinking about alot of things I was doing. In October of 2003 I landed in the hospital for a third time, this time with kidney failure and came within a few hours of checking out permanently. I decided that if I made it, I was going to relax more and have some fun with whatever time was left. I'm not quite 55, but these events have shown me that you never know when your time could be up! I've turned to the healing power of humor. I let my creativity loose. I remember that you never see a hearse towing a U-Haul trailer to the cemetary. I no longer take a vacation to get way from work only to spend it rushing around, doing as much as I can. My hobbies are no longer "second jobs." This is the "Stumpy Philosophy" and it works for me. So please don't get too aggravated when I mention Flatulene tank cars, smoking boxcars and semi-streamlined locomotives made out of junk Flyer stuff. Loosen up and enjoy the fun. I hope to enjoy it for many years to come! Stumpy Stone...Proud to be playing with trains in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34366	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: KC & LC (couplers)

This is a question where there is no 100% right or wrong answer. Partly it depends on how you operate your trains. If you do little switching, and just run complete trains, then it's fairly easy to keep the LCs by themselves and the KC by themselves. If you have a really big layout, you could even have seperate yards for each type! This would be especially useful if you do a lot of car switching. If you do swap out locos, then you might want to pick a very common car, and put a KC on one end, leaving the LC on the other end, then you have a transition car. I chose this solution because I have so many LC cars and so many KC cars that the conversio of all the LC stuff to KC would be expensive and time consuming! BTW, that transition car could be used to connect a LC loco to a string of KC cars, it isn't always KC to LC! The only coupler I have lots of trouble with are the LC coupler bars on the 370 and the 342 locos, anyone out there have any luck with pulling a train with these? I can't figure out any way to push a train with them! Hope to be at chat tonite, probably a bit late though! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34367	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Measuring index

I came across a web site I have had for some time. I pass it along to the group because it has a lot of information on measuring all sorts of things on a layout. I wish I understood more of it- maybe in time. Try this---- Bill http://www.geocities.com/budb3/arts/meth/meas.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34368	From: Bruce	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: link vs. knuckle

I have converted a few cars from link to knuckle couplers, but in general, I'm trying to maintain both. I have a sets of engines and rolling stock with link couplers and another set with knuckle couplers. Then I can operate either style - or both with "conversion cars" , usually a LNE hopper with screw-on trucks that are easily swapped. (Purists shouldn't read the next paragraph) I do, however, make one concession for operability of the link couplers - I use an Exacto knife to slightly carve out the hook so that it wraps around the pin a bit when it is coupled. It makes a much more secure coupling. Otherwise the link tends to slide up and off the pin as the train moves around the track, even with weighted link couplers. Chugging along, Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34369	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: All Aboard locomotives

Y'all...What locomotives were used on the Gilbert All Aboard sectional layouts? I've only seen photos of the Casey Jones with freight cars on these, probably due to the 15" radius curves. Did they also use the GP-7, Baldwin, Docksider, Atlantic, 0-6-0 or 0-8-0 switchers on these? Stumpy Stone...thinking about a small layout in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34370	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: 1:64 veheciles and figures

While at Big Lotts I found two new sources for scenery stuff They are Mini-wheeels and Adventure racers. The mini wheeels sets have 3 typicaly under sized auto but 2 useable figures for 99 cents, adventure wheels had an emergancy set with a police van and ambulence which looked like they would scale out nicly and a pickup/wrecker also 99 cents for that set.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34371	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2565

I changed from links to knuckles on my heavyweights and found they were too far spread and changed the 600 series back to links. I fixed a 322 SIT and run this set occasionally. There were some tricks listed to make knuckles couple closer but I cannot remember them all. My biggest problem is getting the AM heavyweights to pass thu AF switches. The coupling bar ususally hits and uncouples or derails. Tom H. "Is it a mortal sin to replace link with knuckle couplers on the old flyer engines/ rolling stock. I ask as a newbie; having had an interest in these my whole life I've recently begun adding to my childhood sets. I'm certain the rekindled interest a common story. I just don't want to destroy value and some else's joy seeing link couplers"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34372	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 6, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34373	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: The 20814 Winter set pictures

I have placed 3 pictures of the Winter Set. It sits in the center section of the main layout under construction. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup51

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34374	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2565

The "coupling bar" can be bent up a bit with pliers. This is recommended by AM on their website. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "THOMAS E HILLERY" <G-WOLFGANG5@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2565 > > > I changed from links to knuckles on my heavyweights and found they were > too far spread and changed the 600 series back to links. I fixed a 322 > SIT and run this set occasionally. There were some tricks listed to make > knuckles couple closer but I cannot remember them all. My biggest problem > is getting the AM heavyweights to pass thu AF switches. The coupling bar > ususally hits and uncouples or derails. > Tom H. > > > "Is it a mortal sin to replace link with knuckle couplers on the > old flyer engines/ rolling stock. I ask as a newbie; having had an > interest in these my whole life I've recently begun adding to my > childhood sets. I'm certain the rekindled interest a common story. > I just don't want to destroy value and some else's joy seeing link > couplers" > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34375	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/6/2005
Subject: Re: KC & LC (couplers)

The transition car approach has worked well on our system. We have 3 freight cars and several cabooses with both couplers, also a 655 coach and a 497 observation car with knuckles on one end. We may have to employ a 3rd option since we got an AM Amtrak set: AF whatever to AM Snap-lock. Those scale size couplers are kinda growing on me. (Don't tell the scale guys !;^)) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34376	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Lionel at it AGAIN!!!!!!

Look what some...ohhh...PERSON dumped on the dump track at Tinplate Corners! http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=708 Yeah, it's LIONEL forcryinoutloud! There's only one thing to do... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34377	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: link couplers

Hi Jerry, I am fortunate to have a very complete hobbyist machine shop and foundry to make (almost) whatever I need... It sounds like you are really set up to do just about any repair. Are you close to Maine? I could bring some repairs over. Is it a mortal sin to replace link with knuckle couplers on the old flyer engines/ rolling stock? I find that if your track is reasonably well laid and the link couplers properly adjusted, the links out perform the knuckles. One example I can think of is trying to couple to a car like a gondola. With the knuckle you must slam the car to get the coupler to operate, generally knocking the car off the track. However, with link, you can be gentler, not risking the derailment. Then there is the issue of "coupler distance", the space between two coupled cars. If you use the couplers the cars were designed for the space looks normal--close. If you convert a link truck to knuckle, the space looks too large. For me, this really shows up with passenger cars. But the real beauty of toy trains is they are yours and what makes you happy is the way to enjoy your trains. Happy railroading, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34378	From: flyernicki	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: 812 Thanks!

Thanks to everyone who responed to my question. I had about 75 emails on it! Thanks again! Nicki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34379	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: K325 question

"Transition" isn't exactly the right word-"use to depletion", that is, of existing inventory, is more like it. You'll find that there are 600 series rolling stock items that have scintered trucks and knuckle couplers, for example. Changing the metal stack for a translucent red stack is up to you and really shouldn't effect the engine's value-as is often stated, they're YOUR trains and you should do what you like with them.-John Marganski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34380	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)

I've never seen this configuration on any Flyer that I've had or serviced-Doug Peck will be the ultimate authority on authenticity-but it's a fix for split or stripped plastic stand-offs that I've used. I use body mount brass inserts from my ancient slot car parts stock. Monogram, Revell(back when they were individual entities) and the long-dead Strombecker (who made 1/64 train shells pre-war) are the sources. I imagine that there's some hardware store that carries such- the Nutty Company in Derby, Connecticut had them at one time-although I do not know if they are around anymore-John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34381	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: RR indentification?

This past weekend I attended an estate sale where they advertised selling mining & railroad stuff. In a box of HO track there was a plaque made out of cast iron (black in color). It is in a shape like a crest, approximately 4 3/4" wide & about 6 3/4" in height. At the top are the initials U P. Under that is N C (Northern Class?) At the bottom is the number 6025, from what I can tell. At the very top is a place for a large screw or bolt to attach it to . . .? Any idea what this is? Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34382	From: Phil K	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: RR indentification?

Mike -- From your description [without seeing a photo] it sounds like it might be a builder's plate, but usually they have much more information -- including the manufacturer's name and a month & date [year made]. UP might stand for Union Pacific, but I'm not sure about the "N C". The steam locomotive that wore the number 6025 for the UP was a 2-8-0 Consolidation, not a Northern as you speculate. Why don't you post a photo, now that you've got our curiosity going? I just love mysteries! Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ruth.leahy@c... wrote: > > This past weekend I attended an estate sale where they advertised selling > mining & railroad stuff. In a box of HO track there was a plaque made out of > cast iron (black in color). It is in a shape like a crest, approximately 4 > 3/4" wide & about 6 3/4" in height. At the top are the initials U P. Under > that is N C (Northern Class?) At the bottom is the number 6025, from what I > can tell. At the very top is a place for a large screw or bolt to attach it to > . . .? Any idea what this is? > > Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34383	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: reL Lionel American Flyer GP5 Great Northern

Hello Gang After a long wait the new Northern GP 5 has arrived today, I did not know that it has the "TrainSounds sound system", The engine has a super digital horn and bell, "Trainsound Crew Dialogue" Operation is smooth and great running with idling motor and as speed increases you RPMS ramp up in two levels. The engine also has "Brake Squeal" and their is a "volume" control for all of the above. I highly recommend this engine to my fellow S-Train Operators. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34384	From: Robert Wight	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Sort of off topic HO

I know theres a few of you out there that have more then flyer. So im desperatly looking for some help. I cannot for the life of me find anyone out there that has HO parts. Ive searched the internet till im blue. Even asked a HO collecter in town here and he doesnt know where to buy parts. Why is HO so popular. I dont get it. I have a few HO's and need parts. One in particular. Pocher made a steamer that usese a drive shaft that connects from the tender to the engine. Sure could use two of them. But like ive said ive looked for HO parts and find no luck on the internet. So does anyone out there have any ideas were iI can start. Please dont tell me to look on the net, ive done that and the few I find never give me an answer. Thanks. Bob Wight "S" Gauge Rocks! Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34385	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER HO QUESTION

hi, maybe someone in the group can help me,looking for the book price of a few ho cars,133, 135, 129 transformer car, track cleaning car, and a car carrying 3 sets of wheels,no number,thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34386	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)

Al, I have seen this on the crome versions before. This is because they were using the 360 shell with a single motor frame. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34387	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re;RR indentification

Could this be the number plate off a live steam loco? Maybe 3" scale and 15" gauge? Or maybe a Cagney, Crown, or other amusement park loco? (Probably not a Cagney as they were very early.) It seems too small to be off a full size locomotive. (And of course it may not be railroad related after all.) Please post a picture. If you find out what it is, let us know. Stumpy Stone...baffled in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34388	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: AF Northern's and Greenberg books for sale

I have a couple of Northern's (332 DC and 336) for sale. There are also some hardback greenberg books and some other odds and ends available. Go to http://www.richardiii.net/Trains/af4sale.htm and have a look around. Regards, Neil T

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34389	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Flyer Get Together

Hi All, Sponsoring a get together for Flyer folks in the Denver area at my home on Saturday, April 2nd. If you are interested in attending, email me directlyat marski@... Jim Marski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34390	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER HO QUESTION

Check out ebay.... they pop up quite often.... condition important.... not high priced..... Bob > > From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> > Date: 2005/02/07 Mon PM 05:24:47 EST > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] AMERICAN FLYER HO QUESTION > > > > hi, maybe someone in the group can help me,looking for the book price of a few ho cars,133, 135, 129 transformer car, track cleaning car, and a car carrying 3 sets of wheels,no number,thanks lou > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34391	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: Re: A 20" circumference

A recent posting had a site for micro-layouts. I have built a small table from the leg of an old corner table and the top of a pickle barrel.The table top's circumference is 20". Does anyone know if it is possible to put an S gauge circle of track on it, and is there an engine or trolly that could run on such a circmference? this would create an S scale micro-layout. Thanks for your input. The site is named - micro layouts for model railroads. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34392	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: 2005 Lionel Book 1 AF Items

Joe's Train Repair is offering all 27 new American Flyer items listed in the 2005 Lionel Book 1 catalog. Item number, description, retail price, and my price (plus S&H) are listed below. Your Number Description Retail Cost 6-48041 UP Mikado 629.99 $550 6-48042 Sou Mikado 629.99 $550 6-48048 DM&IR SD-9 diesel 259.99 $225 6-48049 SP SD-9 Diesel 259.99 $225 6-48139 PRR Alco PB B-unit w/Railsounds 159.99 $140 6-48356 Pluto boxcar 54.99 $47 6-48357 Winnie the Pooh boxcar 54.99 $47 6-48358 SF boxcar 52.99 $45 6-48417 Pillsbury single-dome tank car 57.99 $50 6-48418 Protex single-dome tank car 57.99 $50 6-48539 Flatcar w/REA piggyback trailers 52.99 $45 6-48540 B&O flatcar w/ girder 52.99 $45 6-48541 D&H gondola w/pipe load 52.99 $45 6-48542 UPS flatcar w/UPS piggybk trlrs 57.99 $50 6-48628 DM&IR hopper 52.99 $45 6-48727 UP bay window caboose 52.99 $45 6-48728 Sou bay window caboose 52.99 $45 6-48730 DM&IR extended vision caboose 52.99 $45 6-48731 SP extended vision caboose 52.99 $45 6-48732 UP boom car 52.99 $45 6-48975 PRR passenger car 2-pack 129.99 $110 6-49021 UP crane car 74.99 $65 6-49022 M.o.W. searchlight car 74.99 $65 6-49023 NYC Walking Brakeman car 74.99 $65 6-49024 PRR Coal Dump car 74.99 $65 6-49614 PRR Alco PA passenger set 679.99 $600 6-49824 #770 Loading Platform & op.box 149.99 $130 Deadline for orders is March 1st. Do not be left out as many people were with the Docksiders, NYC Mikado, and B&O Mikado passenger set. No money due if you have a credit card of record on file or call 919/471-2613 and leave your Master Card or Visa number and expiration date as well as your name, mailing address, and e-mail address. Otherwise, a 10 percent deposit will hold your order. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34393	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 2/7/2005
Subject: smoke fluid and storage

HI, I have placed my American Flyer engines on a shelf for a while while I operate my layout in a more modern era. What is the best to do with the smoke units? Load up with several drops of smoke fluid durling storage or run the engines until it is out of smoke and store "dry?" Any suggestions? Wayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34394	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re; A 20" circumference

I'm the Micro Layouts enthusiast, and I too am thinking about a micro in S gauge. Here's what I've found out so far: American Flyer's All Aboard layouts used PikeMaster track with a radius of 15" (20" is standard for other AF curves.) These layouts used regular length Flyer freight cars and the Casey Jones, the Atlantic, and even a 4-6-2 in the biggest set. The GP-7 had to have the steps modified. This tells me that 15" radius is doable. Lionel is coming out with a repro of the Flyer 0-6-0 sometime in '05. Putt Trains makes a 4 wheel diesel and a trolley car in kit or R-T-R form, so there are a couple of little engines out there. My own tests so far confirm that regular Flyer freight cars will go around 12" radius curves, but won't back up reliably. More testing to come. I've built many micro layouts in On30 in the past couple of years because they can be built quickly, stored easily. I have no space for a big layout, my current S gauge layout in 4x7 1/2', the maximum I have space for. A couple of micros are in my future. Stumpy Stone...thinking outside the box to stay inside my space in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34395	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: New 1:64 Diecast Vehicles

My friends in "S" At least these are new to me. I found them at Wally World last evening. A 1:64 scale series of GM vehicles named "VonDutch Garage" http://www.jadatoys.com/VonDutch164.html by Jada Toys www.jadatoys.com Less than $3 each. Included at my WW were: '51 Mercury '56 Chevy Bel Aire '57 Chevy Suburban '53 Chevy pickup '59 Cadillac ElDorado '72 Chevy Cheyenne but there are others on the websites. They are packaged as low riders, but that's easy to correct. The neat thing to me is the finish - it is a dull matt with minimal decorations - just a few "tasteful" flames and logos. Also, take a look at their Road Rats series http://www.jadatoys.com/roadratshome.html and the Dub City series http://www.jadatoys.com/dubcity164.html ENJOY! Don Munsey, Jr Sn42 logger and VGN Rwy fan now living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34396	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)

I don't know about "ultimate authority", but (a) Yes, I have also seen a Comet paint scheme over a former Santa Fe shell (I believe that's what the original post had stated), and (b) the use of the threaded brass inserts in order to mount a lower frame in the shell was a factory item. I've seen them in original units, and I've reproduced those inserts as well! <<<I've never seen this configuration on any Flyer that I've had or serviced-Doug Peck will be the ultimate authority on authenticity-but>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34397	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Smoke Unit Storage

Wayne Zebron wrote: >>> I have placed my American Flyer engines on a shelf for a while while I operate my layout in a more modern era. What is the best to do with the smoke units? Load up with several drops of smoke fluid durling storage or run the engines until it is out of smoke and store "dry?" Any suggestions? >>> Wayne, I'm certainly no expert in the mechanics of smoke units. However, in 1994 my father gave me back my original 282, which had been sitting in a box for 34 years after damage in a basement flood. With much trepidation, I disassembled it for cleaning and repair, then put it back together and applied power. Very slowly, the motor started to turn, then faster and faster, and - can you believe it? - smoke began puffing out of the stack. You should have heard my yells of excitement! That was my first foray back into model railroading since I was a teenager, and is what got me re-started in S. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have some smoke fluid in the chamber for 34 years, if that's what you have in mind. But, then, that smoke fluid from 1960 was original AC Gilbert. <grin> Good luck. John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34398	From: Neil Becker	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: reL Lionel American Flyer GP5 Great Northern

OK I'll bite; what is a GP 5? (I know he meant EP5) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:49:34 -0000 From: "jpmatsick" <jpmatsick@...> Subject: reL Lionel American Flyer GP5 Great Northern Hello Gang After a long wait the new Northern GP 5 has arrived today, I did not know that it has the "TrainSounds sound system", The engine has a super digital horn and bell, "Trainsound Crew Dialogue" Operation is smooth and great running with idling motor and as speed increases you RPMS ramp up in two levels. The engine also has "Brake Squeal" and their is a "volume" control for all of the above. I highly recommend this engine to my fellow S-Train Operators. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34399	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: LTI Flyer question

Does anyone on the list know wheteher the 48473 Central of Georgia and 48489 Penn Dutch pretzel cars were actually decorated by Lionel or an outside firm. I had heard these were outside decoration items. Thanks, Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34400	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: LTI Flyer question

What is a Lionel 48473 Central of Georgia? Jim Marski wrote: >Does anyone on the list know wheteher the 48473 Central of Georgia and 48489 Penn Dutch pretzel cars were actually decorated by Lionel or an outside firm. I had heard these were outside decoration items. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34401	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Coupler question

I have cars with the link and knuckle couplers both. I am considering changing to one coupler type for interchangeability. My primary interest is in way freight type operation. I fondly remember being able to use the Kadee "delayed" feature from my earlier experience. None of the locos or rolling stock I have is of "collector" quality. Many of the cars and locos will become repaints as time permits. The question is: How difficult is the conversion to a Kadee type coupler to do, and which would be the preferred one to use? I still have a large number of KD #5s and some of the #802 type. I also have a few pairs of the Kadee O scale couplers. I am also investigating adding an operating coupler to the pilots of my steam locomotives for facing point operation. I am interested in reading the comments and suggestions and want to thank all in advance. Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34402	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: RR indentification?

The plot on this mystery now thickens. Mike sent me a pair of JPEGS of this item. I have posted them on the photo album on this site so all can see, and they're at the end. Just click on the "Photos" link in the options bar to the left of the messages. After seeing it, I've got a couple of opinions, and they are strictly opinions. Please offer your own expertise. First, now I'm not sure what it is. It seems in very rough condition, and if it is cast iron, it could be one of two things: either it is very old and was very rusted and pitted and then painted over, or it is a very poor reproduction of the original -- whatever it is. My best guess -- and it's strictly a guess -- is that it is original, and very pitted, and may have identified some piece of UP equipment, perhaps dating back to the days of the building of the Transcontinental Railroad. But that's just a SWAG. Many similar cast iron items have been reproduced over the years -- pressed into wet sand to create a mirror image, then filled with liquid molten iron until cooled. Poor reproductions result when either an improper size and grade sand was used, or the metal was either too hot or too cool when poured, or both. That is how many original iron and later, steel, locomotive parts were made -- a wooden model was pressed into sand, liquid metal poured in, then the piece was milled to exact specs. From what I've seen, most steam locomotive drive wheels were made this way. The rough casting was then milled to get a perfectly centered hole for the axle, then it was mounted on a huge lathe and the outside rim was milled to proper size before the tire was mounted. Then it would have been balanced. If you've ever seen the movie "The Train," there is an awesome scene where Burt Lancaster makes a replacement part (bearing housing for a main rod?) for a locomotive that had been sabotaged. A very few of the huge drive wheel lathes have survived, and I believe they have one at the Illinois Rail Museum waiting to be restored. In later years, when high-grade steel was used, they used huge presses to shape many locomotive parts (like main rods) after the steel had been heated. Maybe someone more familar with ancient railroad ephemera can help clear this up for Mike. Can't wait to read what others will chime in on this topic. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > > Mike -- > > From your description [without seeing a photo] it sounds like it > might be a builder's plate, but usually they have much more > information -- including the manufacturer's name and a month & date > [year made]. UP might stand for Union Pacific, but I'm not sure > about the "N C". The steam locomotive that wore the number 6025 for > the UP was a 2-8-0 Consolidation, not a Northern as you speculate. > > Why don't you post a photo, now that you've got our curiosity going? > > I just love mysteries! > > Phil K > > ***************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ruth.leahy@c... wrote: > > > > This past weekend I attended an estate sale where they advertised > selling > > mining & railroad stuff. In a box of HO track there was a plaque > made out of > > cast iron (black in color). It is in a shape like a crest, > approximately 4 > > 3/4" wide & about 6 3/4" in height. At the top are the initials U > P. Under > > that is N C (Northern Class?) At the bottom is the number 6025, > from what I > > can tell. At the very top is a place for a large screw or bolt to > attach it to > > . . .? Any idea what this is? > > > > Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34403	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: a wrong word Diameter.not Circunference of 20'

I'm sorry for using the wrong word. I ment to use Diameter. Questions repeated: Is it possible to set up a 20" diameter circle in S gauge track? What engines, or Trollies are available that could operate on that circle of track? Thanks for any input. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34404	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: a wrong word Diameter.not Circunference of 20'

Bill -- Check out the following link for photos that will answer your question: http://s-scale.org/albums/albun30 Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@a... wrote: > > I'm sorry for using the wrong word. I ment to use Diameter. > Questions repeated: > Is it possible to set up a 20" diameter circle in S gauge track? What > engines, or Trollies are available that could operate on that circle of track? > Thanks for any input. > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34405	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: 466 Comet PA(weird variation?)

Doug has this quite correct, and one may add repaints over former Rocket shells, as well. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/8/2005 9:26:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, doug@... writes: I don't know about "ultimate authority", but (a) Yes, I have also seen a Comet paint scheme over a former Santa Fe shell (I believe that's what the original post had stated), and (b) the use of the threaded brass inserts in order to mount a lower frame in the shell was a factory item. I've seen them in original units, and I've reproduced those inserts as well! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34406	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: Re: LTI Flyer question

These were both decorated by Crown, I believe. The Dutch Pretzels car was done by Crown for sure. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/8/2005 12:22:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, jim_marski@... writes: Does anyone on the list know whether the 48473 Central of Georgia and 48489 Penn Dutch pretzel cars were actually decorated by Lionel or an outside firm. I had heard these were outside decoration items. Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34407	From: Phil K	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: TMCC questions

I have four separate, yet connected [insulated variable power rails between crossover turnouts] loops, all using a common base connection. I have a TMCC Command Control base unit and the CAB-1 remote. Two 30Bs provide the power to the four loops. As I understand, I can run my TMCC-equipped Mikado on any of the four loops since the base connection is common to each. I have done this. To run non-TMCC locos on three other loops without installing TMCC boards in each locomotive, I can use the TMCC Powermaster 135 to do this, correct? 1.) Do I need one Powermaster 135 for each of the four loops so I can run four non-TMCC locos at once? 2.) Do I also need to buy a connecting Power adapter for each Powermaster 135? 3.) Will one TMCC Action Recorder Controller allow me to "program" continuous simultaneous action on all four loops? 4.) What do I need to remotely throw powered turnouts using TMCC technology? The Action Recorder Controller thingy sounds really cool. It will record up to an hour of action so I can yak with guests while the trains do their thing. So many questions, so little time to play with trains. Thanks in advance, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34408	From: keefer1	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: central of georgia tca car

Heres a link to an auction of one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5955066489&rd=1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34409	From: dvprc	Date: 2/8/2005
Subject: TMCC

It puzzles me why so many of you on this site have chosen to go the route of the Lionel train control system. Has any one given thought to using a standardized system of comand comtrol like Digitrax or NCE or Lenz. All of the Lionel trains can be run by these other systems. In fact I have at least six Lionel pieces powered by Soundtraxx and NCE 4 amp decoders. This way I can use DCC with all of the makers of S gauge equipment. In fact I have converted about 80 engines to the DCC system to this point. My flyer switches all work through the NCE Procab using Easy Dcc stationary decoders.Just wondering why one would let him or her self get locked into what seems to me a deadend control system.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34410	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC

In a message dated 2/8/2005 8:12:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, DPDB@... writes: It puzzles me why so many of you on this site have chosen to go the route of the Lionel train control system. Simple. Anyone with a traditional AC-powered Gilbert layout or conventional S gauge layout can have command control by connecting a single wire to a command base. Personally, I am not about to up end my totally and authentically vintage Gilbert layout for DCC. If one wishes to get more fancy, one can control switches with ASCs or SC-2s. Whether TMCC is a dead end system or not, only time will tell. But, given its open architecture and the number of licensees, chances are that TMCC and its iterative improvements will be around for quite a while. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34411	From: John Foley	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Josh Seltzer Website Award

Hi Folks. I have two websites in the lead for the Josh Seltzer Award. I won't tell you who, but I'll ask you to vote. It's very easy Look for the Award button at your favorite S website , click it, it will being up your email program then just click send. And that's it. Thanks John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34412	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: How about a micro turning layout.

Hi mrstumpy@... I have an idea for a revolving layout. You could do it with Pike Master. I have a video tape of AF promotion video. They have the train running in a circle and the train is stationary in front of you. Real nice way to see smoke and valve action. The AF vertions must have been as big as a room. Would love to see an article on it. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34413	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re;How about a micro turning layout?

If you were to use the Pikemaster track with 15" radius, you'd need about a 34" diameter board. If you use the regular 20" radius, about 44" would do. I have read on this list of a fellow using 7" radius with the Putt Trains Trolley which would use about an 18" radius board if you wanted to make this type layout. Putting the track down would be the easy part, making the whole thing revolve efficiently with the train running would take a bit more thought. The sharper the curve, the easier it would be to overcome this problem I would think. I've never tried this idea, but it would be interesting. Stumpy Stone...in a spin in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34414	From: David Engle	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: How about a micro turning layout.

When I was in central Iowa in the early 60s, we had a Merrill Knight who took a bicycle wheel, mounted it sideways, and had a piece of HO-track on the sidewall that then faced up. He'd run a trolley car on it and match the speed of the car relative to the wheel so it would be in the same place relative to the rest of the world. DJE-KCMO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34415	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: UP plaque?

Mike, UP 6025 was an oil burning Consolidation class locomotive 2-8-0. Originally Los Angeles & Salt Lake 616, later renumbered 3616, and finally 6025. It was built in January 1905 by Baldwin Locomotive Works as construction number 24901 and the locomotive was vacated or removed from the roster in December of 1933. That is all the information that I have here at this time. Also if the plate is rectangular it could be a tender plate. UP had them also designating the type of tender and a number assigned to it. Tenders tended to be swapped around on various locomotives of the same or similar class during shoppings. Bob Krieger UPHS Cheyenne, WY. This is a response I got from UPHS in Cheyenne about the cast iron plaque I purchased last weekend. Any thoughts? It is 4 3/4" wide & 6 3/4" in height. This thing is old, and even has some old newspaper print stuck to the back of the plaque. Again, it says U P at the top/ N C below that & 6025 at the bottom. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34416	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Track Bed

The layout is designed, the table built. I'm now thinking of using a rubber-backed carpet to create the landscaping and to provide some track noise deadening. I'm using the original AF track, btw. Anyone done something similar - have a better idea? I've also considered cutting cork to serve as a roadbed/sound deadener. How thick should the cork be to be effective, if I go that direction? Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34417	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC questions

Phil, For an excellent source of information on TMCC and it's current technology I suggest you browse through the "O" Gauge Railroading Forum at: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=63160042 I even join in once and a while. There is a lot of good TMCC info there that applies to both "S" and "O", especially using the PC with TMCC. Several members are Cross Gaugers. They can answer most any question. You would need a Powermaster for any block that you would use a separate transformer. All Powermasters can use the same power source if it has the wattage. The SC-2 unit can control switches and accessories with the Cab-1 remote and even set up routes. You will have to figure how to adapt them to Flyer switches but that should not be hard as the SC-2 uses dry contact closures. Another good TMCC tutorial is at: http://www.coilcouplers.com/tmc/tmc.html Carl -----Original Message----- From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC questions I have four separate, yet connected [insulated variable power rails between crossover turnouts] loops, all using a common base connection. I have a TMCC Command Control base unit and the CAB-1 remote. Two 30Bs provide the power to the four loops. As I understand, I can run my TMCC-equipped Mikado on any of the four loops since the base connection is common to each. I have done this. To run non-TMCC locos on three other loops without installing TMCC boards in each locomotive, I can use the TMCC Powermaster 135 to do this, correct? 1.) Do I need one Powermaster 135 for each of the four loops so I can run four non-TMCC locos at once? 2.) Do I also need to buy a connecting Power adapter for each Powermaster 135? 3.) Will one TMCC Action Recorder Controller allow me to "program" continuous simultaneous action on all four loops? 4.) What do I need to remotely throw powered turnouts using TMCC technology? The Action Recorder Controller thingy sounds really cool. It will record up to an hour of action so I can yak with guests while the trains do their thing. So many questions, so little time to play with trains. Thanks in advance, Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34418	From: conehammer	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?

Was there ever made a turntable for flyer or S gauge trains? By any maker? Is there a drawing set or plan someone can point me to? Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an AF loco. As I am done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals of my 322 I'd like to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in very ( read 50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly etched; the tender being better. I want to duplicate as closely as possible the original shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking and airbrushing I can save the original lettering. Thanks for the help. Thanks, Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34419	From: John Foley	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Green & Tuscan HW's

Hi Folks Well I held on to the Pullman green and Tuscan HW's long enough, Starting Yesterday I am sending out these cars. The 2 tone gray and the CN cars will follow as soon as I get them. So look for the UPS truck for any of the Green or Tuscan cars you may have ordered. Thanks a lot for your patience. John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34420	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Exploding box car

I just picked up the actuating mechanism for an exploding box car for an HO size car with the intent of either modifying it or using it as a pattern for making an S size repro car. Does anyone have any idea if the only difference between HO and S is the physical size of the "mousetrap" mechanism end of the unit? This thing would be easy to build as it is just a simple coil with a plunger through it, like a couple other Flyer accessories use, that releases the trap arm. Also, I have repro sides, ends and roof panels and tabs for an S car, but need a suitable base (chassis). Can anyone suggest what would be the best chassis to rob from another junk car to support the rest of the project? And what holds it all together? My problem is that I have never seen an actual exploding box car in person to see how it was made. Suppose anyone could loan me one to make a pattern from? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34421	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?

See below: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "conehammer" <conehammer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines? > > > > Was there ever made a turntable for flyer or S gauge trains? By any > maker? Is there a drawing set or plan someone can point me to? > You can use a Bowser, which I think are still available. I use a 24" Bowser. See attached picture. Let me know if you don't get it, the program may strip it. > Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an AF loco. As I am > done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals of my 322 > I'd like to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in very ( read > 50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly etched; the tender > being better. I want to duplicate as closely as possible the original > shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking and airbrushing I > can save the original lettering. > Can't answer- I always use Testor's flat black in a spray can. > Thanks for the help. > > Thanks, > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34422	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?

Jerry, I have used the Tru Value wrought iron black with success. It's very close in color and gloss level to the old Flyer paint. However, Tru Value seems to change their paints quite often, and you would need to buy a can and do some testing to see if it matches well enough to try and save the lettering. I have also removed paint from spray cans and run them through an airbrush for better control. That part is tricky, though. Good luck! I hope not too many of you guys do this sort of thing. Under the table is where I find the treasures! Regards, Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "conehammer" <conehammer@y...> wrote: > > Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an AF loco. As I am > done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals of my 322 > I'd like to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in very ( read > 50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly etched; the tender > being better. I want to duplicate as closely as possible the original > shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking and airbrushing I > can save the original lettering. > > Thanks for the help. > > Thanks, > > Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34423	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines?

Doug Peck also sells one. See http://s-scale.org/albums/album50/040516_Engine_yard_003 for the one I installed. Dick Aurora, OH At 10:29 AM 2/9/2005, conehammer wrote: > Was there ever made a turntable for flyer or S gauge trains? By any >maker? Is there a drawing set or plan someone can point me to? > > Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an AF loco. As I am >done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals of my 322 >I'd like to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in very ( read >50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly etched; the tender >being better. I want to duplicate as closely as possible the original >shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking and airbrushing I >can save the original lettering. > >Thanks for the help. > >Thanks, > >Jerry > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34424	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2005
Subject: Re: S scale in Britian

I found a site in England for S scale. A man named Alan Gibson makes S scale products and Kits. Is anyone familiar with his line of S products? Is their S scale the same as ours? Are any of his products compatable with our S scale? Thanks! Bill G [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34425	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Rubber-backed Carpet

Stephen Litts <s.litts@...> wrote: <Subject: Track Bed < <The layout is designed, the table built. I'm now <thinking of using a rubber-backed carpet to create <the landscaping and to provide some track noise <deadening. I'm using the original AF track, btw. < <Anyone done something similar - have a better idea? <I've also considered cutting cork to serve as a <roadbed/sound deadener. How thick should the cork be <to be effective, if I go that direction? < <Steve Both the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (all 6 Divisions) and the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club use indoor/outdoor carpet as the base for their modules. This is a very low profile carpet. In addition, we generally use repro rubber roadbed. The carpet improves the appearance and is quite easy to pant (e.g., ballast between tracks, roads). Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34426	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable fro Flyer

To my knowledge, AF never made a turntable. In the 1960's Wilson's of Cleveland (now defunct) made one that used a section of Gargraves track. I have that version in my collection. There are others and better ones I am sure, the group will likely provide you leads on those. V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada ___________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:29:07 -0000 From: "conehammer" <conehammer@...> Subject: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines? Was there ever made a turntable for flyer or S gauge trains? By any maker? Is there a drawing set or plan someone can point me to? Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an AF loco. As I am done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals of my 322 I'd like to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in very ( read 50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly etched; the tender being better. I want to duplicate as closely as possible the original shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking and airbrushing I can save the original lettering. Thanks for the help. Thanks, Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34427	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: S scale in Britian Gibson details

Alan Gibson's site is at: http://www.scalefour.org.uk/ag/ag6.htm His mailing address is Alan Gibson The Bungalow Church Road Lingwood Norwich Norfolk NR 13 4TR He has a listing for 15 S scale engines that I saw. If you go to the site you will see the term VAT, which stands for Value Added Tax. North Americans do not have to pay this tax. He accepts Access or Visa. I've written to him.Details will follow. There are other manufacturers over there. Bill G [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34428	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Coupler question

Dear List: I don't remember who was asking about link and knuckle couplers. I received a set of 660 series passenger cars in the 1970s. They had been converted from link to knuckle. They never worked well and were always uncoupling. In the late 1980s I examined them. (Fix them or get rid of them.) I discovered that link couplers are 3/8 of an inch tall. American Flyer knuckle couplers are 5/8ths of an inch tall. There wasn't enough clearance for the knuckle couplers. Once I figured this out, I grabbed a bunch of knuckle coupler shells and knuckles. I glued the knuckles into the shells. I replaced the old knuckle couplers with the new dummy couplers. (No drop-hanger, no coupler weight, no spring, no pin.) The new dummies were 3/8 of an inch tall and I never had a problem again. These cars were subsequently sold else I would purchase enough links to convert them back and get the closer coupling. (The combine would retain its dummy knuckle coupler on the baggage end.) Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34429	From: Phil K	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Deepest condolences

Many of us here at S-Trains know the owners of S-Helper Service, Mike and Don, and both are highly valued members of our little cyber family. I just heard some very sad news: Don's mother passed away suddenly from a heart attack last Saturday, and Mike's father also passed Saturday after a long illness. I would like to express my sincerest condolences to both men and their families during this difficult time. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34430	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable fro Flyer

Bowser still makes turntables and in different sizes, look under s scale on their site. --- "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> wrote: > > > To my knowledge, AF never made a turntable. > > In the 1960's Wilson's of Cleveland (now defunct) > made one that used a > section of Gargraves track. I have that version in > my collection. > > There are others and better ones I am sure, the > group will likely > provide you leads on those. > > V. Neimanis > Ottawa, Canada > > ___________________________________ > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:29:07 -0000 > From: "conehammer" <conehammer@...> > Subject: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines? > > > > Was there ever made a turntable for flyer or S > gauge trains? By any > maker? Is there a drawing set or plan someone can > point me to? > > Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an > AF loco. As I am > done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals > of my 322 I'd like > to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in > very ( read > 50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly > etched; the tender > being better. I want to duplicate as closely as > possible the original > shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking > and airbrushing I > can save the original lettering. > > Thanks for the help. > > Thanks, > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34431	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: S Turntable for Flyer

Here are the Bowser turntables http://www.bowser-trains.com/ss_turntables.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce weidner" <weidner@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Turntable fro Flyer > > > Bowser still makes turntables and in different sizes, > look under s scale on their site. > > > > > --- "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> wrote: > > > > > > > To my knowledge, AF never made a turntable. > > > > In the 1960's Wilson's of Cleveland (now defunct) > > made one that used a > > section of Gargraves track. I have that version in > > my collection. > > > > There are others and better ones I am sure, the > > group will likely > > provide you leads on those. > > > > V. Neimanis > > Ottawa, Canada > > > > ___________________________________ > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:29:07 -0000 > > From: "conehammer" <conehammer@...> > > Subject: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines? > > > > > > > > Was there ever made a turntable for flyer or S > > gauge trains? By any > > maker? Is there a drawing set or plan someone can > > point me to? > > > > Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an > > AF loco. As I am > > done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals > > of my 322 I'd like > > to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in > > very ( read > > 50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly > > etched; the tender > > being better. I want to duplicate as closely as > > possible the original > > shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking > > and airbrushing I > > can save the original lettering. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34432	From: dvprc	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Bowser Turntable

If you would like to see a Bowser turntable go into your search engine. type in South Jersey S Gaugers When you get into the site click on the big S go to members layouts Dave Pierce There are a series of pictures of my layout. Two in particular show my Bowser turntable, I have been very pleased with its operation Some day I will put all of the trimmings on it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34433	From: Bob W.	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: Re: Rubber-backed Carpet

This is simular to what im doing for my new layout for the model train museum. I layed down 1/2 inch particle board. Then a layer of "buffalo board" or "Homosite" for the sound suppression. On top of that I layed Green grass indoor out door rubber backed carpet. These ideas i got fron Carl and Barb. Now im toying with laying the track and painting in the ballast or anthor thought was to take the buffalo board and cut like a road bed. Its brown. Im thinking it would give it the raised look, then tapper ballast out along the edges. So i was thinking that would be sort of like the cork idea. Just another twist on the many different ways to go. Bob W. --- Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > > Stephen Litts <s.litts@...> wrote: > <Subject: Track Bed > < > <The layout is designed, the table built. I'm now > <thinking of using a rubber-backed carpet to create > <the landscaping and to provide some track noise > <deadening. I'm using the original AF track, btw. > < > <Anyone done something similar - have a better idea? > > <I've also considered cutting cork to serve as a > <roadbed/sound deadener. How thick should the cork > be > <to be effective, if I go that direction? > < > <Steve > > Both the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers (all 6 Divisions) > and the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club use > indoor/outdoor carpet as the base for their modules. > > This is a very low profile carpet. In addition, we > generally use repro rubber roadbed. The carpet > improves the appearance and is quite easy to pant > (e.g., ballast between tracks, roads). > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: > 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC > 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer > Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part > lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert > Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master > Card/Visa > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34434	From: Richard Karnes	Date: 2/10/2005
Subject: NASG grey and CNR Pullmans -- Update

All -- American Models has finally received the wheelsets for the subject cars. We expect that AM will be shipping them to the NASG shortly. For those of you who have been waiting -- especially those who ordered green and/or red cars along with grey and/or CNR cars -- the end is in sight! Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34435	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Painting AF steam engines

I find Krylon's semi-flat black a close match. I find I can often save cab numbers by lightly smearing petrolum jelly over the numbers--don't get it anywhere else, though! After paint has dried, a light wiping with a soft cloth lifts the jelly and the paint on top off, revealing the number. As there is no sharp edge from masking, the paint usually blends into the number area well. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34436	From: John	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines

Thanks for the tip, I have a 336 with a lot of miles on it, and am going to refurbish it soon. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > > I find Krylon's semi-flat black a close match. I find I can often save cab > numbers by lightly smearing petrolum jelly over the numbers--don't get it > anywhere else, though! After paint has dried, a light wiping with a soft > cloth lifts the jelly and the paint on top off, revealing the number. As > there is no sharp edge from masking, the paint usually blends into the > number area well. > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34437	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Turntable Images

Follow this link to some turntable images. http://s-scale.org/albums/search.php?searchstring=turntable Enjoy! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34438	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable

Did somebody say Turntable? Oh, I have one of those! It's a Bowser 24". Here's a picture. http://www.tuveson.com/roundhouse.htm And here is a bit of detail on It's workings. http://www.tuveson.com/T-Table/Turntable.htm Still a work in progress. (what isn't) Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34439	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: exploding box car

Rather than answer a bunch of individual emails, here is a reply for all of those who wanted to know where I got the repro body parts. I'll have to figure out where I have the parts stored and I believe I kept the guy's name and address with them. When I find them, I'll post the info. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34440	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines

Heating the Steam Engine prior to painting will help prevent paint runs. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34441	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Deepest condolences

My deepest sympathies on these losses. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:36:15 -0000 From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> Subject: Deepest condolences Many of us here at S-Trains know the owners of S-Helper Service, Mike and Don, and both are highly valued members of our little cyber family. I just heard some very sad news: Don's mother passed away suddenly from a heart attack last Saturday, and Mike's father also passed Saturday after a long illness. I would like to express my sincerest condolences to both men and their families during this difficult time. Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34442	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable for Flyer?

Dear Jerry: I haven't purchased/built/installed my turntable yet. I am currently planning on purchasing one of Atlas' new surface mount O Gauge turntables. It is very flat and three rail. I shall use the Atlas turntable as the bottom of my pit. I shall build a new bridge (which just rests on the Atlas bridge) with S Scale track on top of it. The pit wall will be just a thin ring of styrene as it will not be load bearing. To power my rails I shall just solder directly to the Atlas' Lionel compatible, O Gauge rails buried under my turntable. If you are looking for a turntable that is surface-mount, there isn't a commercial one in S Scale. By surface mount I mean a turntable that you can drop onto a table and then plug American Flyer, S Helper, or someone else's S Gauge track into it. All commercial S Scale turntables require a pit. For a good example of a surface mount turntable look at Atlas' N, HO, and O gauge turntables. (I was going to include the link to an Atlas turntable but Atlas' catalog server at http://www.atlaso.com/welcome.htm is down.) Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:29:07 -0000 From: "conehammer" <conehammer@...> Subject: Turntable for Flyer? Paint for A-F Engines? Was there ever made a turntable for flyer or S gauge trains? By any maker? Is there a drawing set or plan someone can point me to? Also what is the paint of choice for repainting an AF loco. As I am done with rebuilding the electricals and mechanicals of my 322 I'd like to repaint it. The engine's original paint is in very ( read 50%) sad condition; the shell seems almost lightly etched; the tender being better. I want to duplicate as closely as possible the original shade of black. I'm hoping through creative masking and airbrushing I can save the original lettering. Thanks for the help. Thanks, Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34443	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: U.P. plaque?

Here are 2 pictures of the plaque I have been trying to identify, and a response from Jim Ehernberger from Cheyenne, WY. (UPHS) Any help on this would be appreciated. Mike Leahy (Boulder) MIKE:   Seeing the object was a big help. I think that it is a journal box cover.   I'm wondering if the casting might be for the UPD&G.   Some of those initials look like they exist. As far as the No. that would be a casting number. The journal box is on the freight car truck and these lids (covers) had a bolt through the top and they could be moved sideways enough to open the area so they could oil the axle. >From all indications, I'd say that is what your object is.    The narrow gauge cars had a smaller lid and yours may be from on of that type car. As far as I know there are no documents available in railroad or other records covering these things. JIM E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34444	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Turntable

Seeing all the posts brought back memories of the one I wanted as a kid..... I built it from plywood, with balsa trim..... I put it into the typical hole, etc. but to operate it I used a piece of plywood, 1/4", cut in the form of a large circle.... bolted it to the TT so that about 3" projected past the edge of the table..... all I had to do was turn the wheel till the tracks lined up..... and away I went....... I also wanted a Mag. Crane...... Made one from wood and used a electro magnet out of an old pin ball machine..... with strings etc.....Ah for those 1950's times again..... Time to play...... PLAY...... It seems like when we have the time.... no money.... if we have the money..... no time...... Like Stumpy said...... Maybe its time for all of us to smell the roses....... The Bible states "what profit a man who gains the whole world, but loses his soul".... As I stood on those Snow covered mountains looking at the beauty the thought kept coming back..... "What profit a man, etc, but fails to take the time to just enjoy the beauty of what we have!My new years resolutin, late, is to spend time in my train room.... building the mountains, and building models........ Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34445	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines

I painted two engines so I am NOT an expert, but I spoke to Rich Cherry (deceased) a noted engine restorer and I am just passing on what he said. CAREFUL OF THE PAINT FUMES Never did a second coat Krylon looked good on the first try. The heating stops the runs at the details of the engine. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34446	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Painting AF steam engines

After you strip the body and are ready to paint the black engine parts with the Krylon paint Place the METAL body parts in the oven at 300f for 5 to 8 min. Just get them warm, your paint will instantly dry. Practice this on an old engine do not overheat to melting point. Don't let your wife see you do this and don't paint in the kitchen. LOL Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34447	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Converting LC to KCs

As Thorin noted, the LC couplers set closer to the rails than the KC couplers do. The original instructions on the conversion kits mentioned having to adjust the KC coupler so the weight in the closed postition clears the rail tops by 1/16." If you look at a LC truck, you will notiece that the coupler mounting "arm" has a "kink" in it to lower the end of the arm. When converting, you usually need to straighten this out a bit. Unfortuantely, this also makes the coupler stick out even farther from the car, which is one complaint of converted cars, they no longer couple together as closely as before. Lotsa compromises out there! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34448	From: Dave W	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: K-line conversions

Hi gang, I know this subject has been covered, but the message search doesn't find it. S-scale locomotive conversions from O27: which K-line 4-6-2 is the 3/16" scale version? And also............anyone out there had success with K-line Allegheny and/or Big Boy 1:58 conversions? Regards, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34449	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Converting LC to KCs

On most of my link to knuckle conversions years ago I actually bent the coupler mounting arm into an flattened S turn to shorten it. I was amazed at how malleable the steel was and never broke one off. Obviously these trucks are not collectible but they sure look better coupled. BTW, my heavyweights were too valuable even then to try this so they got links reinstalled for closer coupling. The simulated diaphragms just miss touching now. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Converting LC to KCs > > > As Thorin noted, the LC couplers set closer to the rails than the KC > couplers do. The original instructions on the conversion kits mentioned > having to adjust the KC coupler so the weight in the closed postition clears > the rail tops by 1/16." If you look at a LC truck, you will notiece that > the coupler mounting "arm" has a "kink" in it to lower the end of the arm. > When converting, you usually need to straighten this out a bit. > Unfortuantely, this also makes the coupler stick out even farther from the > car, which is one complaint of converted cars, they no longer couple > together as closely as before. > Lotsa compromises out there! > S' > David D. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34450	From: Phil K	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Mixing paint for AF steamers

I once read somewhere [this list?] where Gilbert metal cast steamers weren't painted 100% black -- they mixed 1 part white to 19 parts black, which would make it a VERY dark gray. Anyone else hear this? I also think they mixed one part black with several parts white to get the off-white to paint running boards on locomotives so endowed. I do know you have to use a satin [flat] finish. From my furniture making experience, satin paint [or polyurethane, in the case of furniture] contains tiny particles in suspension that break up the reflected light to give a non-shiny finish -- otherwise it would be "glossy." And you have to make sure when using flat/satin to shake the can VERY well at the start and continue shaking as you use it to keep those tiny particles suspended equally in the paint -- they quickly settle to the bottom when the can sits. I haven't done any repaints yet, but bought an airbrush to better control the amount of paint being applied. I also bought a glass- bead cabinet which can double as a spray booth. I already had a compressor for my woodworking [nail guns are dangerous, but FUN!]. Comparatively speaking, I just felt using paint out of a hardware store can might be harder to control and tend to go on too thick and produce runs and clog up fine detail areas. But I say that having no experience using spray cans on Gilbert steamers. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34451	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: K-line conversions

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave W" <fahrwud@y...> wrote: > > > Hi gang, > I know this subject has been covered, but the message search doesn't > find it. > S-scale locomotive conversions from O27: which K-line 4-6-2 is the > 3/16" > scale version? > And also............anyone out there had success with K-line > Allegheny and/or Big Boy 1:58 conversions? > > Regards, > Dave W. I and three other members of the S-Trains board sent K-Line Big Boys to Ballston Locomotive Works for conversion to S gauge last year, but have not been provided with a completion date for the project. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34452	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Mixing paint for AF steamers

Gilbert steam engine black is not black-black (That's Lionel's black), but rather has some gray in it. So, the correct mix of white and black would get one to the same shade. Off the shelf black paints usually are not correct a la Gilbert. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/11/2005 1:48:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: I once read somewhere [this list?] where Gilbert metal cast steamers weren't painted 100% black -- they mixed 1 part white to 19 parts black, which would make it a VERY dark gray. Anyone else hear this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34453	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: K-line conversions

While I have not tried any of the work on one..... NO TIME..... I have talked several times with the fellow at York who is doing these conversions ( which I think is turning out to be a bigger problem than most though)...... 1. there is a lot of machining to do to resize the guage. ( His mach. shop will only do in lots of 10 or 20 at a time..... delays).... then there is the problem of insulating the wheels..... 2. electrical problems..... 3. The converted tender becomes too top heavy, on narrower trucks, and rolls over on curves... The list goes on and on..... Bob > > From: "Dave W" <fahrwud@...> > Date: 2005/02/11 Fri PM 01:26:53 EST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] K-line conversions > > > > > Hi gang, > I know this subject has been covered, but the message search doesn't > find it. > S-scale locomotive conversions from O27: which K-line 4-6-2 is the > 3/16" > scale version? > And also............anyone out there had success with K-line > Allegheny and/or Big Boy 1:58 conversions? > > Regards, > Dave W. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34454	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 13, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34455	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: AF Display in San Diego Sat, 12th

Hi all, While checking for times for the Roseville (CA) train show tomorrow, I ran across this: American Flyer Operating Train Exhibit Sat, 2/12/2005 - Sun, 2/27/2005 Categories Operating Exhibit Location San Diego Model Railroad Museum 1649 El Pardo San Diego, CA United States Times Tue.-Fri. 11 a.m. to 4 p.m., Sat.-Sun. 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. Admission Fees $5; under 15 free Description Train exhibit Contact Info San Diego Model Railroad Museum, 1649 El Prado, San Diego, CA 92101; 619-696-0199; sdmodrail@... Website http://www.schmodelrailroadm.com (Note that this link didn't work for me!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34456	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Turntable Question?

S-Gaugers, I was wondering what is more space efficient: a slide table design or a turntable design. I guess the maximum required diameter of the turn table would be a determining factor in space usage utilization. In real life, turn tables and round houses seemed to die out with steam engines. Did slide tables replace turn tables and round houses in modern operations? I was wondering if anyone has modeled a slide table (like Lionels) in s-gauge? Is a slide table just a Lionel contrived device or do they really exist. If slide tables exist, what are the advantages and disadvantages of slide vs. turn table? Thanks, Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34457	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/11/2005
Subject: Re: Mixing paint for AF steamers

Greetings......IMHO Floquil Engine Black is very close, as it is not pure black. Also,the non-toxic version in Polly-scale is called Engine Black, the later great for airbrushing.......Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <WaldoOtten@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mixing paint for AF steamers > > > Gilbert steam engine black is not black-black (That's Lionel's black), but > rather has some gray in it. So, the correct mix of white and black would get one > to the same shade. Off the shelf black paints usually are not correct a la > Gilbert. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 2/11/2005 1:48:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > waldootten@... writes: > I once read somewhere [this list?] where Gilbert metal cast steamers > weren't painted 100% black -- they mixed 1 part white to 19 parts > black, which would make it a VERY dark gray. Anyone else hear this? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34458	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] AF Display in San Diego Sat, 12th

The link is http://www.sdmodelrailroadm.com -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Display in San Diego Sat, 12th Hi all, While checking for times for the Roseville (CA) train show tomorrow, I ran across this: American Flyer Operating Train Exhibit Sat, 2/12/2005 - Sun, 2/27/2005 Categories Operating Exhibit Location San Diego Model Railroad Museum 1649 El Pardo San Diego, CA United States Times Tue.-Fri. 11 a.m. to 4 p.m., Sat.-Sun. 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. Admission Fees $5; under 15 free Description Train exhibit Contact Info San Diego Model Railroad Museum, 1649 El Prado, San Diego, CA 92101; 619-696-0199; sdmodrail@... Website http://www.schmodelrailroadm.com (Note that this link didn't work for me!) S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34459	From: beebear	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Display in San Diego Sat, 12th

Here is the correct web site for the San Diego Museum http://www.sdmodelrailroadm.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34460	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Correct URL for SD museum display, & black paint

HI all, Courtesy many list members, here's the correct URL for the San Diego Model RR Museum http://www.sdmodelrailroadm.com/ No wonder the listed one didn't work! Black paint: Ah, the joys of black paint--it's like white paint, no two are really alike!! Very close, but not identical! Most blacks are really a brown-black, although there are blue-based blacks, which, IMHO really look blacker. The original Black Model T Ford paint was based on a product called Glissionite, which does provide the blackest black. Unfortunately that paint loses it's gloss quickly, Ah well. And has been noted, the satin causing part of the paint does settle out quickly, so keep the paint agitated, when painting with a large spray gun, painters are known to put a few marbles in the can, so the paint can be readily agitated.The Krylon black comes in Gloss, Flat, semi-flat, and semi-gloss! I prefer the semi-flat for my loco repainting. It seems to match the ACG paint pretty well, though it may be a bit darker, but I have used it for touch-up and it seems to blend well. Well, I am missing the Roseville train show, the musuem needs to be opened, and there is a funeral and a wedding to attend today. MAYBE I can go tomorrow! BTW, that load bearing wall in my house with no studs is now history, now to put up a real wall! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34461	From: Bruce	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Flyonel sawmill

I was given a sawmill (Lionel 6-49806) and was told it had a striped gear and if I could fix it, it was mine. Since I didn't have one, I took it. I ordered and received 6 gears from Lionel and replaced mine. There were some other missing parts (roofs, lumber, log, man, hanger, button) and I ordered those, too (from Portlines). It ran for a couple minutes before the gear striped again. The lumber didn't jam - it appears that the spring on the ejector is too strong. I can adjust that. Before I replace the gear again, I searched the archives about the sawmill problems. Maybe I should have declined the gift! But I've spent the money to get it up to snuff, so I'll do my best to make it work. Has anyone made a brass replacement gear yet (with the correct tooth angle to match the worm)? I'll gladly send one of my remaining plastic replacement gears for a pattern if someone is interested in making them. Also, in the couple minutes that it did run, the hanger wasn't picking up the lumber. Do I have to do some adjusting (bending) to get it to work? Thanks for the help, Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34462	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches

Problem - my Northern always seems to derail at a certain AF switch, anyone else having this problem? Thanks for your reply. Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34463	From: Alex	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches

Jerry, check the trucks to see that the wheel spacing is correct. Alex in Maine .-.-. http://users.adelphia.net/~alexmm/ai2q.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: jpmatsick To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches Problem - my Northern always seems to derail at a certain AF switch, anyone else having this problem? Thanks for your reply. Jerry M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34464	From: rcon7@bellsouth.net	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches

My Atlantic did that...... also check the wheel rims to make sure they have not loosened..... Bob > > From: "jpmatsick" <jpmatsick@...> > Date: 2005/02/12 Sat PM 06:14:27 EST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches > > > > > Problem - my Northern always seems to derail at a certain AF switch, > anyone else having this problem? Thanks for your reply. > > Jerry M > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34465	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel sawmill

In a message dated 02/12/2005 4:17:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, willisbd@... writes: Has anyone made a brass replacement gear yet (with the correct tooth angle to match the worm)? I'll gladly send one of my remaining plastic replacement gears for a pattern if someone is interested in making them. Has anyone made a brass replacement gear yet (with the correct tooth angle to match the worm)? I'll gladly send one of my remaining plastic replacement gears for a pattern if someone is interested in making them. I did offer to have some made at our machine shop but nobody seemed willing to pay what they would cost for such a small run. We are still available to give it another try. Steve SnS Trains Boise Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34466	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches

Yes, I have a Northern that had exactly that problem. Someone told me to check whether any of the tires were loose. I had no idea what he was talking about. In case you're in my shoes, here's what that means: There are three parts that make up each drive wheel: the large metal center of the wheel, the whitish plastic "white sidewall," and the metal "tire" on the outside of it all that rides on the track. On older engines that have been used a lot, it is not uncommon for the "tire" to come loose from the plastic "sidewall." You may be able to tell that they're loose just by looking; if not, try to wiggle the "tire" sideways, the direction the axle goes, while you hold the center so it doesn't move. If that's your problem, here's how I was told to fix it. It worked for me! You need to remove all the linkages from that wheel so it can spin freely. Push the tire onto the plastic "sidewall" as far as it will go and spin the wheel to make sure it is absolutely straight and doesn't wobble at all; once you glue it, you won't be able to move it! Get a small tube of the medium viscosity superglue and apply it sparingly to the inside of the wheel where it is not visible. Make sure you don't get any of the glue on anything else, especially your fingers! I'm here to tell you, your fingers will stick together instantly and it is scary. Fortunately, someone told me to clean my tracks with acetone and that's what you use to get your fingers apart if you superglue them together. If you ever use superglue for anything, I'd recommend having some acetone on hand just in case. You can get it at most hardware or paint stores. The glue will bond in no time and you can reassemble your engine after a few minutes, though I didn't run mine until the next day just to be on the safe side. I fixed mine a year ago and the engine is still running great with no problem on the switches. rcon7@... wrote: My Atlantic did that...... also check the wheel rims to make sure they have not loosened..... Bob > > From: "jpmatsick" > Date: 2005/02/12 Sat PM 06:14:27 EST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: AF Northern 4-8-4 - and AF switches > > > > > Problem - my Northern always seems to derail at a certain AF switch, > anyone else having this problem? Thanks for your reply. > > Jerry M > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34467	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: San Diego R.R. Museum

Hello all, Today was the first day of a two week American Flyer layout at the museum which houses the largest train layout in the country. Up until now there has been absolutely no "S" representation there. They are primarily HO and N with a "L" room. The AF layout was a modular 20 X 17 with two operating "S" loops and a 3 rail loop. They had numerous operating accessories and great smoking AF engines. The group operating the system is the All Gauge Toy Train Association headed by Steve Pierce. They were running American Flyer and American Models which ran flawlessly throughout the time that we were there. They are planning to run a new Mikado there tomorrow. Although there were many other more permanent, sophisticated layouts at the museum, the kids seem to come to life at the A.F. layout. Unfortunately there was no banner announcing what was operating and no "S" literature to handout to the many admiring onlookers- an opportunity lost in my book. This group doesn't promote a particular gauge so it is not a priority to sell "S" as the perfect scale. However Steve is a member of NASG and has 2 new Mikados himself and would be a great candidate to get some literature to if anyone at NASG is listening. Alex (innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34468	From: butchclimax	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Driver Stud

Can someone tell me how to remove the Flangeless Driver STUD from the wheel center on a K5 type chassis? Is it threaded or press fit?? Thanks, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34469	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 13, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34470	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: Driver Stud

If your talking about the brass stud , it is press fit and you can take it out with a punch by tapping from the other side of the driver....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "butchclimax" <sager@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Driver Stud > > > > Can someone tell me how to remove the Flangeless Driver STUD from the > wheel center on a K5 type chassis? Is it threaded or press fit?? > Thanks, > Butch > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34471	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: autos

--- S-Scale@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Subject: New 1:64 Diecast Vehicles > A 1:64 scale series of GM vehicles named "VonDutch Garage" > http://www.jadatoys.com/VonDutch164.html by Jada Toys > www.jadatoys.com Less than $3 each. > Included at my WW were: > '51 Mercury > '56 Chevy Bel Aire > '57 Chevy Suburban > '53 Chevy pickup > '59 Cadillac ElDorado > '72 Chevy Cheyenne Its nice to see some new S scale vehicles available. There has not been much reported lately. Regarding the above, I sometimes see these at WalMart. I've also seen REVELL autos there. These are of same quality and price as Mint Editions were. CAUTION regarding the Jada autos, some are not very close to S scale. A full size car or pickup is typically 6' wide. Bring a ruler if you go shopping, or bring the cars you like over to the hardware department and find a ruler to use. 6' wide is 1-1/8" in S scale. The above should all be about that width to be correct S scale. As always, we must all choose for ourselves how much variation that we'll accept from that. I consider the '57 Suburban (btw; it has no rear side windows so it is a panel truck, not a Suburban) close enough. I don't think that I have seen the others. One of the guys in my club found a Johnny Lightning VW pickup. Since most JL vehicles are undersize, and they made this the same size as most of their others, this one actually comes out close to correct S scale. http://www.playingmantis.com/jl/photo_gallery_details.php?offset=36&galleryparentid=525 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=760&item=6946054191&rd=1 Make sure you cut and paste the whole eBay link, OR type "johnny lightning vw pickup" into the eBay search bar. Speaking of JL, go to their website to see what you mignt want to look for. http://www.playingmantis.com/jl/ http://www.playingmantis.com/jl/news_details.php?articleid=692 Looks like the Bronco and Jeep might be correct S scale. Here's the vans that somebody mentioned recently, close to correct size. http://www.playingmantis.com/jl/news_details.php?articleid=461 Ah yes, on my recent trip to WalMart I was dumbfounded to see a Hot Wheels vehicle that is much larger than "all" their others, it is a model of a truck that measures just less than 8' wide. Most trucks are 8' or slightly less than that, so I considered it accurate S scale, and bought it! You can see it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ I put it next to my Aurora plastic model of the same truck, they are near identical in width, very slightly different in length and height. They must be very close to each other to see the difference. Hey, close enough for me. There are many of these available on eBay. Type "shell white tank truck" into the eBay search bar. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34472	From: Bruce	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel sawmill

Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention. The axle for the sawblade is a bit too short. The sawblade is not over the hole in the deck and rubs a little on the deck. I didn't see that mentioned in the archives. Has anyone else had that occur? Is a longer axle available? - Bruce P.S. SnS is going to look again into getting a brass gear made and let us know what they find out. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <willisbd@y...> wrote: > > > I was given a sawmill (Lionel 6-49806) and was told it had a striped > gear and if I could fix it, it was mine. Since I didn't have one, I > took it. I ordered and received 6 gears from Lionel and replaced > mine. There were some other missing parts (roofs, lumber, log, man, > hanger, button) and I ordered those, too (from Portlines). It ran > for a couple minutes before the gear striped again. The lumber > didn't jam - it appears that the spring on the ejector is too > strong. I can adjust that. Before I replace the gear again, I > searched the archives about the sawmill problems. Maybe I should > have declined the gift! But I've spent the money to get it up to > snuff, so I'll do my best to make it work. Has anyone made a brass > replacement gear yet (with the correct tooth angle to match the > worm)? I'll gladly send one of my remaining plastic replacement > gears for a pattern if someone is interested in making them. > > Also, in the couple minutes that it did run, the hanger wasn't > picking up the lumber. Do I have to do some adjusting (bending) to > get it to work? > > Thanks for the help, > Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34473	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: Driver Stud

In a message dated 02/13/2005 2:39:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, sager@... writes: Can someone tell me how to remove the Flangeless Driver STUD from the wheel center on a K5 type chassis? Is it threaded or press fit?? Thanks, Butch It is press fit. You can drive it oput with a small drift and hammer. Be sure to support the wheel good. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34474	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: K-Line S Cars

After 40 plus years of O gauge 3 railing it, I converted to S gauge, my question is what comments to a new S gauger can you give on the K Line S cars. I believe K Line used old Marx dies, but I don't believe they are 3/16". JP Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34475	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: replacing decals

I recently bought some replacement decals, but I realized I don't know how to remove the original faded/flaked ones that I'm replacing. How does one do that? Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34476	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: San Diego Model Railraod Museum

Our family was in San Diego last summer for a wedding and we went to the Model Railroad Museum. It was nothing short of fantastic!!!!! I was overwhelmed with all the work they have done to make it such a wonderful place to visit. Every time I hear about someone going to San Diego, I do all I can to convince them that Balboa Park is a great place to visit and that the railroad museum is a must. If you are there on Sunday afternoon, there is also a free organ concert in the outdoor amphitheater. The folks at the model railroad museum were so friendly and helpful in answering questions about their layouts that I would loved to have had a whole day just to be there. I'll send Paul a couple of pictures and he can decide whether or not to put up for folks to see. Peace. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34477	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S Cars

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jpmatsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: After 40 plus years of O gauge 3 railing it, I converted to S gauge, my question is what comments to a new S gauger can you give on the K Line S cars. I believe K Line used old Marx dies, but I don't believe they are 3/16". JP Matsick The boxcar in not 3/16 or 1/64. The tank car resembles a bigger tank car. The platform width of the tank car is 1/8 of an inch wide. The handrails and handrail holders are oversized, which I will change on the Citgo tank car that I got. The trucks are good (scale size) and resemble those of Showcaseline. I have several silver Marx tank cars, a couple of Marx highside gondolas, and a Marx Santa Fe stockcar to convert. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34478	From: Phil K	Date: 2/13/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S Cars

While the K-Line cars are not true S, as others have eloquently stated, here's why I like them: 1.) At less than $18 each they're cheap enough to run and replace -- so I let kids play with them on the layout -- rather than my $45-$50 Flyonel and highly-detailed, easily broken [for kids] S-Helper cars. 2.) The trucks and wheelsets are terrific, rolling with very little resistance, meaning I can haul a very impressive consist of many more K-Lines behind a single locomotive than Flyonel. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jpmatsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: > > > After 40 plus years of O gauge 3 railing it, I converted to S gauge, > my question is what comments to a new S gauger can you give on the > K Line S cars. I believe K Line used old Marx dies, but I don't > believe they are 3/16". > > JP Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34479	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: K-Line S Cars and others

I have enjoyed hearing the different responses to my question about K-Line S Cars! 1. I have collected all except the Heinz Ketchup Box car and the NYPD Box car 2. I run them with my many AF/AFLinoel/American Model and SHelper cars and the reason I do, just north of where I live is a Super Large Switching Freight Car lot for the CSX, in it I find Large Box Cars, Smalll Box Cars, I find Large Tank cars and I find small tank cars and on and on and on. Gentlemen I am an operator, and when I run 24 of the K-Line S cars on one track pulled by my Flyer Northern Steam Engine the consist of cars with the Steam engine looks super, when checking the scale size of an original American Fllyer Box car the dimensions don't mesure up scale wise to a 40' box car? 3. Granted the Shelper and the American Model freight cars are super fantastic scale freight cars and I now have a number of them, in being an operator I can't justify paying 49.95 to 69,95 for a scale freight car to operate when on a large layout, Most viewers have not commented on any difference. between the so called SCALED cars verses the $ 13.49 K-Line freight cars? I am happy to say I appreciate all the fine products by S-Helper, American Models, K-line and Lionel and glad the selection is growing at all times. Jerry Matsick --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34480	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: K-Line S Gauge BLOWOUT!

We are just about at the end of the $15/free shipping blow-out sale. I still have: 3 - 008 Cookie Box 2 - 024 SP caboose 2 - 026 Milw caboose 1 - 028 NYC tanker also: about 100 pieces of new 54 inch curve track at $2 each! Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34481	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: K line freighter conversions

here is what i do to these excellent-value cars: 1. Boxcars: they are slightly too long, slightly too wide, but not too high. they are higher than AF, but AF used an old 1920's boxcar style for their mold. so, i run them as-is. 2. Tankcars: they are slightly too wide and way too tall. and as others have posted, the walkway is way too wide and the railing is way too thick. so, i take them apart, thin the walkway with my dremel tool cutoff wheel, thin the railing supports with my exacto knife, and replace the railing with thinner brass wire. i narrow the frame by running it across sandpaper on a flat surface. most importantly, i lower the car by gouging out the saddles the tank sits on and also replace the stock washer between the coupler shank and frame with a thinner one. 3. Hopper: altho i love the interstate markings, this car is way, way too long, high, ane especially wide. so i tearfully removed the trucks and gave the body to an o gauger. 4. Caboose: not worked on this beauty yet. as an s gauger since 1951, i never in a million years thot we would have the wonderful selection of quality cars and locos we enjoy today. is this a great scale or what??? dale reynolds, pendleton sc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34482	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: Re: Mixing paint for AF steamers

Floquil's Engine Black is a very close match to Flyer steam black. Add a little of their Grimy Black if you need to tone it down a little. I agree that Krylon Ultra Flat Black is almost perfect-and if you can, go ahead and bake it-180 degrees for 45 minutes is what I've found to be the ticket-you'll be blown away by the strength of the finish. Screws won't mar it, unless you employ King Kong to torque your hardware-john Marganski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34483	From: Phil K	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: All welcome to attend Chicagoland S Gaugers meeting Friday

S gaugers -- all levels of experience and interest -- are invited to attend the February meeting of the Chicagoland Assn. of S Gaugers this Friday evening, Feb. 18 (7 pm gabfest/swap meet, 8 pm meeting) at St. Paul's Lutheran School, 1100 West Lake Street in Melrose Park, Ill. New members are enthusiastically welcomed. Club is in 36th year and has over 60 members. CASG website: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/ Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34484	From: Stan Koci	Date: 2/14/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge BLOWOUT!

Hello Mark Do you have any two of the O guage box cars. I need to swap two S for O frames Thank you Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Preman" <amerflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line S Gauge BLOWOUT! > > > We are just about at the end of the $15/free shipping blow-out sale. > I still have: 3 - 008 Cookie Box > 2 - 024 SP caboose > 2 - 026 Milw caboose > 1 - 028 NYC tanker > also: > about 100 pieces of new 54 inch curve track at $2 each! > > Mark > > > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34485	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Mikado's and Ebay

Mikado's for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956850813> &rd=1&item=5956850813 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956167534> &rd=1&item=5956167534 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5956479431> &category=480&item=5956479431 Mikado's Sold: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954402326> &category=480&item=5954402326 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5952801457> &category=480&item=5952801457 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954714977> &category=480&item=5954714977 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954764649> &category=480&item=5954764649 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5955483740> &category=480&item=5955483740 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34486	From: NASG Library	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: NASG CNR Pullmans

All -- We have the CNR cars in hand. John Foley will be sending them out to those who ordered them, unless you also ordered the grey cars. The grey cars will be the last to arrive, but should be in hand shortly. Orders that include grey cars will be shipped then. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34487	From: larryasp	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado's and Ebay

Buy from a local dealer if you can. If something goes wrong with it, you have recourse and control over your repairs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado's and Ebay > > > > > > > Mikado's for sale: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956850813> > &rd=1&item=5956850813 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956167534> > &rd=1&item=5956167534 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5956479431> > &category=480&item=5956479431 > > > > > > Mikado's Sold: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954402326> > &category=480&item=5954402326 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5952801457> > &category=480&item=5952801457 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954714977> > &category=480&item=5954714977 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5954764649> > &category=480&item=5954764649 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5955483740> > &category=480&item=5955483740 > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34488	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Phasing transformers

Can any of the electrical Guru's in the group tell me if: Using original AF transformers such as 12B and 30B for a layout and also a MRC Pure Power AC transformer. Does the MRC transformer also have to be phased with the original old Flyer transformers???? Thanks in advance. Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34489	From: Ken Gilham	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Help with AF switch electrical

Just started a small AF layout. While testing track and engines I find my diesels stopping on AF switches. It's obvious the electrical pickup on the engine will cause the engine to stop when it hits the plastic piece at what I believe is the frog. This is a non-electrified area on the switch. (Excuse my ignorance if I don't know all the parts names yet.) I believe I've read somewhere a solution to this problem but can't locate the info. Any suggestions would be great.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34490	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Transfer tables vs. Turntables

Scott Dee asked about a comparison of transfer tables versus turntables. Both are used to place engines and / or cars into an enclosed building. Turntables can also be used to turn a locomotive around so that it is facing in the opposite direction, but transfer tables can't be used for that. Turntables usually go with a roundhouse, and the tracks get farther apart as they radiate out from the turntable. This means a lot of space between tracks at the outer wall of the roundhouse as compared to the inner wall nearest the turntable. Real roundhouses needed the space for repair parts, shop machinery, and space for people to work on the loco's, but models don't need that much space and it is effectively wasted. Transfer tables usually go with rectangular buildings with parallel tracks that can be as close together as desired. Because they are parallel, they stay the same distance apart and don't "waste" space at one end as turntables do. The Lionel model is conceptually correct. Transfer tables were often used in car shops where turning cars was of little importance. Many passenger car manufacturing and repair shops had transfer tables, but they were scarce at railroad engine terminals until the advent of diesels, and even now they are not common. Amtrak does still have one in service at the Wilmington Delaware shops used originally for electric locomotives. BNSF uses one at their locomotive rebuilding shop at Alliance Nebraska. Baldwin Locomotive Works also had one at their Eddystone, Pennsylvania plant but that is long gone. Probably many more turntables were built and still exist than transfer tables. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34491	From: Phil K	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado's and Ebay

Mark -- Thanks for keeping track of this stuff for us, as I find it very interesting. Here's my take, strictly one guy's opinion of the obvious: The recent Lionel announcement of two more Mikes [UP and Southern, packaged for individual sale] to be shipped in late summer pretty much killed the market for the New York Central Mike -- at least at grossly inflated prices on eBay. Lionel even bumped up the MSRP $30 for each, and even with discounts we'll be paying a few bucks more than we did for the NYC edition. On the other hand, no more B&O passenger sets -- or for now, any others -- seem to be forthcoming, thereby creating an instant "limited edition collectible." Those who opted at take a chance and order one two years ago end up smelling like a rose. That's why we're seeing the high eBay selling prices ($1,000 to $1,145 at last count) for an item just sold for $820 retail a month ago. Even if you paid full retail ($699.99 for the B&O set and another $119.99 for the extra two cars) you could make a tidy $325 profit in less than six weeks. What a great country! ;-) Lionel also just got a pretty strong message from us S gaugers -- it's suddenly very hard to find any of the TMCC components to operate the Mikes, and Doug Peck says Lionel won't have any more to ship until late May. Hopefully, Lionel will take this as a mandate to continue to make even more Flyonel with TMCC. This could really turn out to be a strong revenue stream for them. At a time when so many naysayers are claiming S is dead. Ha! Long live S! Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Mikado's for sale: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956850813> > &rd=1&item=5956850813 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956167534> > &rd=1&item=5956167534 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5956479431> > &category=480&item=5956479431 > > > > > > Mikado's Sold: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5954402326> > &category=480&item=5954402326 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5952801457> > &category=480&item=5952801457 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5954714977> > &category=480&item=5954714977 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5954764649> > &category=480&item=5954764649 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5955483740> > &category=480&item=5955483740 > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34492	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2005
Subject: Polar Expres Sets

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 34493	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Phasing transformers

Al.......Yes, it will also have to be phased to run in paralell with the old AF transformers. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Paolozzi" <amflyral@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Phasing transformers > > > Can any of the electrical Guru's in the group tell me if: Using original AF transformers such as 12B and 30B for a layout and also a MRC Pure Power AC transformer. Does the MRC transformer also have to be phased with the original old Flyer transformers???? Thanks in advance. Al > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34494	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Turn Tables vs Transfer - Thanx 4 all the info..

S-Gaugers, Thank you for the informative responses on the topic. It was very interesting. Now, I have this question about my tax return..... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34495	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help with AF switch electrical

Ken....make sure first that your track is absolutly CLEAN! This means cleaning the tops of the rails with either an green scrub pad(for dishes) or some 600 grit wet sand paper and get the tops of rails nice and shiny. Then wipe clean with a rag. Also, make sure that the track pins are cleaned. Are these switches the old 720's(1946-47)? If so, there are some contact issues with the movable frog and little contact buttons underneath that are supposed to ensure continuity on this while switching the track. They will need to also be cleaned.... Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gilham" <kgilham@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help with AF switch electrical > > > > Just started a small AF layout. While testing track and engines I find my > diesels stopping on AF switches. It's obvious the electrical pickup on the > engine will cause the engine to stop when it hits the plastic piece at what > I believe is the frog. This is a non-electrified area on the switch. (Excuse > my ignorance if I don't know all the parts names yet.) I believe I've read > somewhere a solution to this problem but can't locate the info. Any > suggestions would be great. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34496	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Ooops -- wrong price...

Sorry -- the MSRP for the B&O set was $799, not $699 as I had typed. Phil K ***************************************************************** Should have read: > On the other hand, no more B&O passenger sets -- or for now, any others -- seem to be forthcoming, thereby creating an instant "limited edition collectible." Those who opted to take a chance and order one two years ago end up smelling like a rose. That's why we're seeing the high eBay selling prices ($1,000 to $1,145 at last count) for an item just sold for $920 retail a month ago. Even if you paid full retail ($799.99 for the B&O set and another $119.99 for the extra two cars) you could make a tidy $225 profit in less than six weeks. What a great country! ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34497	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado's and Ebay

I think you are right on target. If I were SHS and AM I would be looking at some of the smaller footprint TMCC receiver/controllers to make as an option in their line of equipment. I put one of Carl T's MDB/R2LC kits in my NYC PA and it is an easy bolt in with no permanent modification required. Details are at: http://mwkiner.com/nycpa/nycpa.htm MK -----Original Message----- From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Mikado's and Ebay Mark -- Thanks for keeping track of this stuff for us, as I find it very interesting. Here's my take, strictly one guy's opinion of the obvious: The recent Lionel announcement of two more Mikes [UP and Southern, packaged for individual sale] to be shipped in late summer pretty much killed the market for the New York Central Mike -- at least at grossly inflated prices on eBay. Lionel even bumped up the MSRP $30 for each, and even with discounts we'll be paying a few bucks more than we did for the NYC edition. On the other hand, no more B&O passenger sets -- or for now, any others -- seem to be forthcoming, thereby creating an instant "limited edition collectible." Those who opted at take a chance and order one two years ago end up smelling like a rose. That's why we're seeing the high eBay selling prices ($1,000 to $1,145 at last count) for an item just sold for $820 retail a month ago. Even if you paid full retail ($699.99 for the B&O set and another $119.99 for the extra two cars) you could make a tidy $325 profit in less than six weeks. What a great country! ;-) Lionel also just got a pretty strong message from us S gaugers -- it's suddenly very hard to find any of the TMCC components to operate the Mikes, and Doug Peck says Lionel won't have any more to ship until late May. Hopefully, Lionel will take this as a mandate to continue to make even more Flyonel with TMCC. This could really turn out to be a strong revenue stream for them. At a time when so many naysayers are claiming S is dead. Ha! Long live S! Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Mikado's for sale: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956850813> > &rd=1&item=5956850813 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1&item=5956167534> > &rd=1&item=5956167534 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5956479431> > &category=480&item=5956479431 > > > > > > Mikado's Sold: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5954402326> > &category=480&item=5954402326 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5952801457> > &category=480&item=5952801457 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5954714977> > &category=480&item=5954714977 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5954764649> > &category=480&item=5954764649 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5955483740> > &category=480&item=5955483740 > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34498	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2575

Want to run slow passenger trains around your layout without stalling at switches, dusty track,etc? Take a very small polarized plug, and using super flex wire ( I get mine form junk computers ) connect the power car to the B unit or dummy A or lighted passenger car. This makes running slow trains very reliable. Take care to make the connections on the same pick up wheels. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34499	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Parts needed

Need a couple of parts to finish some projects- Brown boxcar door from 913, 957 or 974 Boiler front from 300AC 4 piece diecast boiler If anyone has one in your parts bin, email me off list please at marski@... Thanks, Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34500	From: EagleTrains	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Transfer tables vs. Turntables

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, nyc17819@a... wrote: > > Transfer tables . . . were scarce at railroad engine terminals until the advent of > diesels, and even now they are not common. Amtrak does still have one in > service at the Wilmington Delaware shops used originally for electric locomotives. > BNSF uses one at their locomotive rebuilding shop at Alliance Nebraska. > Baldwin Locomotive Works also had one at their Eddystone, Pennsylvania plant but > that is long gone. Probably many more turntables were built and still exist > than transfer tables. > > Chris Harding Union Pacific's Jenks Shops in North Little Rock, AR has "two 250- ton capacity, 90-foot-long transfer tables, equipped with both manual and radio controls. These provide the means for movement of the huge locomotives in and out of the main building and throughout the shops complex." The quoted portion is from the UP website. Skip Kendel Little Rock, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34501	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Circus tents

Some great S scale circus tents in the s scale section of ebay. I purchased on. Very good quality. Item # 5957586631.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34502	From: jpmatsick	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives

Is there a "ruler" designed for "S Scale" measuring? This old dude who modeled in 1/48 O scale since the middle of last century, has caught a lot of "nice flack" from the rivet and bolt counters of the S Scale/Gauge world (re: K-Line S cars). Is there such a ruler and where can I acquire one. Jerry Matsick Jack S onville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34503	From: David Engle	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives

The club in Cleveland had long ones several years ago, but they are Sold Out. If nothing else, visit a college bookstore or other industrial supply place and see if they have any of these 3-sided architect's scales, most are yellow, some are white. Nearly all have a 3/16th scale on them. When Mr. McCarty told me the supply was exhausted, I suggested that maybe NASG could consider a succeeding project to keep them available. DJE -----Original Message----- From: jpmatsick [mailto:jpmatsick@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives Is there a "ruler" designed for "S Scale" measuring? This old dude who modeled in 1/48 O scale since the middle of last century, has caught a lot of "nice flack" from the rivet and bolt counters of the S Scale/Gauge world (re: K-Line S cars). Is there such a ruler and where can I acquire one. Jerry Matsick Jack S onville S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34504	From: Ironhorse	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Port Lines

Hi Guy"S" I finally made it to Port Lines Hobby shop run by Doug Peck. Doug has an inventory that will fill most everyone's needs. A real nice variety to select from. Scale, AF, and highrail. Doug I find is very helpful in answering questions. If you don't see it in his shop. Ask , he probably has it. I left a bag of rubber roadbed (by mistake) when I left his place. I live about a hundred miles from his shop. Anyway the next morning a box was on my porch with the roadbed in it. UPS must be in Doug's backyard. Less than 24 hour delivery. Thanks Doug. Roger Hinds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34505	From: Phil K	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives

Check with Doug Peck at Portlines for the S-Scale rulers: http://www.portlines.com I think I bought three different sizes (12" long, 7" long and wallet- card-sized?) from him about three years ago at a show. Fairly cheap for the help they provide. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jpmatsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: > > > Is there a "ruler" designed for "S Scale" measuring? This old dude > who modeled in 1/48 O scale since the middle of last century, has > caught a lot of "nice flack" from the rivet and bolt counters of the > S Scale/Gauge world (re: K-Line S cars). Is there such a ruler > and where can I acquire one. > > Jerry Matsick > Jack S onville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34506	From: Jim Marski	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Looking for some LTI items

Looking for the following items in LTI flyer- 48219 Frisco boxcar 48340 Xmas boxcar 48341 Xmas boxcar 48721 ATSF caboose 48494 LV hopper 48220 Deep Rock tank 48224 Gulf tank 48410 Tank Train tank 48023 ATSF GP 48135 NYC PB unit Used is OK as I operate my stuff. Can trade duplicate TCA/TTOS cars if you'd like.email me off-list marski@... Thanks, Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34507	From: Al	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: AF track bending tool

A few years ago someone on this list was offering a track bending tool which enabled you to change the curve angle on American Flyer curve track. I am in need of one of these tools. Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase one or is there anyone on this list who no longer needs this tool and would like to sell it? Send me an e-mail is you know where I can purchase one or if you have one for sale. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34508	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Re: Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives

Remember- one of the beauties of S is that 1/64" on any old ruler is one scale inch. 1/16" (.0625") is 4" in S (A 1/16 square wood strip is thus a 4x4) 3/16" (.1875") is 1 foot in S. 1" on ruler is 5'8" in S. 1 1/8" (1.125") on ruler is = 6' in S. When you get to a wall 24' long you may want a simple calculator. On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpmatsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help a Former O Gauger in perspectives > > > > Is there a "ruler" designed for "S Scale" measuring? This old dude > who modeled in 1/48 O scale since the middle of last century, has > caught a lot of "nice flack" from the rivet and bolt counters of the > S Scale/Gauge world (re: K-Line S cars). Is there such a ruler > and where can I acquire one. > > Jerry Matsick > Jack S onville > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34509	From: douglasgips@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Trains - We've always done it that way

I thought this was pretty interesting. Hope you enjoy it. Regards, Doug Does the statement, "We've always done it that way" ring any bells? 1. The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an odd number, don't you think? Why was that gauge used? 1. Because that's the way they built railroads in England, and English expatriates built the US Railroads. Why did the English build them like that? 1. Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they" use that gauge then? 1. Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? 1. Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? 1. Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (and England) for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? 1. Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. And bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses. Now the twist to the story... When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass. And you thought being a Horse's Ass wasn't important [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34510	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 2/16/2005
Subject: Autos for sale

As per the chat group on Sunday evening, I have posted a list of diecast autos that I have acquired over a few years but will not be using on my 1885 layout. Not sure why not....... The post is in a file titled "Darrell's Diecast Collection" in the Files section. These cars are for sale. Any reasnoable offer considered, especially for the whole shebang. They are maybe a trifle dusty, but have been kept in a box most recently. As the timeframe of these cars runs from about '32 to '50 they would be great on a steam-era layout. Some are "toy" models (Hotwheels and Matchbox) while others are quite nice models (Racing Champions). Please contact me off group if you are interested. Thanx, Darrell S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34511	From: dvprc	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Scale ruler

If you want a nice scale ruler try C.T.T. Inc. Dallas, Texas product number 9064. Mine comes in handy. I have copied it on my printer. Took a piece of it and stuck it in my wallet. That way when I run into " little people" I can check to see if they are the right size for the train board.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34512	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Copy of Scale Ruler

"dvprc" wrote: If you want a nice scale ruler try C.T.T. Inc. Dallas, Texas product number 9064. Mine comes in handy. I have copied it on my printer. Took a piece of it and stuck it in my wallet. That way when I run into " little people" I can check to see if they are the right size for the train board. >>> A word of caution about copiers: many (but not all) will enlarge an image to 101% or more. If you're merely keeping a copy of an S-scale ruler in your wallet, the alteration shouldn't pose a problem. But if you're attempting to make a longer ruler, you may end up being a few scale feet off across its length. Again, that may not be significant to you, depending on your need for total accuracy. Be sure to check the copy against the original. John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34513	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2576 Scale Ruler

Hi all. I have a 12" stainless steel "Model Railroad Reference Rule" made by General and #1251. It has HO, S, O on one side and N on the reverse. It also has charts for decimal equivalents for number drills, tap and drill sizes for small screws 00-90 through 6-32 and a 5" 1/64" rule. Bought it at a local hobby shop which has HO, O and some S-Helper. JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34514	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Polar Express

I Everyone, I need to clarify that the Polar Express sets were the larger O-Gauge from Lionel. My apologies for the confusion for those who thought I had S-Gauge Sets. Chris Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 1-877-TRAIN90 (1-877-872-4690) _Http://Elizabethstation.com_ (http://www.elizabethstation.com/) "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34515	From: ORA E BROOKS	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Paint, blue

Hello all, We got some good answere about black American Flyer paint. What, if any, is a good match for The Royal Blue. I enjoyed the Sunday chat. I feel I an just not fast enough as of yet. Thanks in advance. I am sure some one out there has an idea. Ora. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34516	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Re: Autos for sale

Bummer,...it say's I can't open the file. I need to find a program to open it with. Is it just me?? :^( Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34517	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Help in "Keeping her Honest"

As I've posted here this past summer, my live-in of the past 7 years has bounced me from the house to explore her new love interest. As of this date, all I've recovered was the majority of my American Flyer S steam. I am asking the members, especially those bound by the brotherhood of gentlemanly honor (which isn't limited to TCA) to give me a heads up on any Flyer, Ives,MTH, K-Line and pre, post and modern Lionel. An address of Lowell or Westfield VT in addition to vague and misleading descriptions would be a good tip-off. I'm filing a brief with the court next week to force my regaining possession. If anyone believes they have purchased such items, please contact me also. I'd like to thank the members who gave me tips on how to proceed in this matter, and would appreciate more. It seems that things I've had for 2,3 or 4 decades are arguable-the ugly irony is, we'd never married-John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34518	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Re: Paint, blue

I may be of help here, as I've repainted two Royal Blues-one to original condition, the other a Pre-war 0 gague shell and tender to S with smoke(this one isn't done yet, but eventually I'll send out a how-to for everyone who mwamts a Blue to pull their SHS B&O heavyweights). Find and auto shop-or friend-with a grit blaster and LIGHTLY remove the old finish, inside and out, DON'T handle with bare hands after done! Take your pick- Krylon Royal Blue or True Blue, Floquil B&O Blue, or Classic Toy Train Paints Royal Blue. Spray it, bake it -oops, forgot to mention that the coal pile is gloss black. Regardless of paint brand, baking is 200 degrees F for 40 minutes. Detractors of Classic paint will be amazed with the hard shiny finish obtained. If you're rubber stamping, another bake at about 150 for 15 mins. will harden and permanentize the ink. DO NOT prime the bare metal-the blast will provide an ideal painting surface; my uses of a primer when I started doing thes method had the color coat very vulnerable to chipping-but that darn primer stuck like it was part of the metal-john Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34519	From: trainman634	Date: 2/17/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches

Do any S-Gauge dealers have the new Ross S-Gauge switches in stock?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34520	From: geep39	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: The latest on Ebay

Have you seen the huge amount of space taken up by the Stoudt Auctions on eBay? Looks like a lot of nice stuff, but at the high starting prices, and the SEVENTEEN AND A HALF percent buyers'premium, I think I'll stay away, thanks. I despise buyers premiums as it is, and this one seems excessive.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34521	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay

Personally, I find their auctions a bummer. I see the stuff and click on it and then am disappointed to see I have to register again to bid. Is it still like that? Like you said, there was some really great stuff, but I guess I was always too hesitant/lazy to sign up to bid with them. I saw some of the stuff going for what I considered pretty reasonable prices -- until I found out about the buyer's vig (17.5%). When you add that in, plus shipping, turns out they weren't such great deals after all. I think the 17.5% hurts the sellers because the buyers are factoring that into the final price. In the long run, the sellers would be better off just putting the stuff on eBay themselves with a reserve price. Just my $0.02 Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "geep39" <schwartzsj@j...> wrote: > > > Have you seen the huge amount of space taken up by the Stoudt > Auctions on eBay? Looks like a lot of nice stuff, but at the high > starting prices, and the SEVENTEEN AND A HALF percent buyers'premium, > I think I'll stay away, thanks. I despise buyers premiums as it is, > and this one seems excessive.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34522	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay

OK....... Question..... How can they add 17 1/2% to their sale....... If I add 2.00 to cover e-bays new price changes..... I catch H.......... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The latest on Ebay > > > > Personally, I find their auctions a bummer. I see the stuff and > click on it and then am disappointed to see I have to register again > to bid. Is it still like that? > > Like you said, there was some really great stuff, but I guess I was > always too hesitant/lazy to sign up to bid with them. I saw some of > the stuff going for what I considered pretty reasonable prices -- > until I found out about the buyer's vig (17.5%). When you add that > in, plus shipping, turns out they weren't such great deals after > all. I think the 17.5% hurts the sellers because the buyers are > factoring that into the final price. In the long run, the sellers > would be better off just putting the stuff on eBay themselves with > a reserve price. > > Just my $0.02 > > Phil K > > ***************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "geep39" <schwartzsj@j...> wrote: >> >> >> Have you seen the huge amount of space taken up by the Stoudt >> Auctions on eBay? Looks like a lot of nice stuff, but at the high >> starting prices, and the SEVENTEEN AND A HALF percent > buyers'premium, >> I think I'll stay away, thanks. I despise buyers premiums as it > is, >> and this one seems excessive. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34523	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay MORE

At the time I type this, there are 3040 items on eBay listed under S Scale and Stout has 928 auctions ongoing, not all of it AF. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "geep39" <schwartzsj@j...> wrote: > > > Have you seen the huge amount of space taken up by the Stoudt > Auctions on eBay? Looks like a lot of nice stuff, but at the high > starting prices, and the SEVENTEEN AND A HALF percent buyers'premium, > I think I'll stay away, thanks. I despise buyers premiums as it is, > and this one seems excessive.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34524	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay

Good point on the 17% Time to ask E-Bay why they can add the 17% & we can't. Possible answer : They have a deal with E-Bay Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34525	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: STOUT

Can anyone give me a stuot auction #? ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34526	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: The latest on Ebay

Mike, I declare that you are now Anormal Auction House. I think that Anormal Auction house can now do that! LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <WaldoOtten@...> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest on Ebay > > > Good point on the 17% Time to ask E-Bay why they can add the 17% & we can't. > Possible answer : They have a deal with E-Bay Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34527	From: conehammer	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Improving traction on older Flyer engines

You folks have been a great help to this newbie and now I have another question. Since I've rebuilt my 321; airbrushed the engine ( using the suggested Floquil "Engine Black" ) she now looks gorgeous ( I hope to post pix when all done ) but the question is this: On the pre rubber traction tire engines ( what are they called? Pulmore? ) is there any way to improve the traction on the old girl? I run her, smoke bellowing from the stack and her poor wheels are going like 60 with not an appropriate velocity. I don't think anything is dragging and for now it has just been the engine by itself. Don't get me wrong she moves at a pretty good clip and I'm sure is capable of tipping herself if I'm not careful but to my eye the drive wheels are going faster than she's moving. So there it is. Thanks in advance, Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34529	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines

Jerry -- There are aftermarket rubber traction tires available you could install. I think Doug Peck sells them, and I've seen them at train shows at other AF parts dealers. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "conehammer" <conehammer@y...> wrote: > > > You folks have been a great help to this newbie and now I have > another question. Since I've rebuilt my 321; airbrushed the engine ( > using the suggested Floquil "Engine Black" ) she now looks gorgeous ( > I hope to post pix when all done ) but the question is this: On the > pre rubber traction tire engines ( what are they called? Pulmore? ) is > there any way to improve the traction on the old girl? I run her, > smoke bellowing from the stack and her poor wheels are going like 60 > with not an appropriate velocity. I don't think anything is dragging > and for now it has just been the engine by itself. Don't get me wrong > she moves at a pretty good clip and I'm sure is capable of tipping > herself if I'm not careful but to my eye the drive wheels are going > faster than she's moving. So there it is. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34531	From: Phil K	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: An appropriate name

The adjective "stout" is defined as being "big and hefty" -- which in a cryptic way also describes their 17.5 percent vigorish. BTW, they are listing 369 American Flyer items on eBay. Well, to quote eBay's home page: "Caveat emptor." Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34532	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines

I recommend the machined vulcanized rubber tread wheels with the softer molded on "silicon like" traction tires. Many of the repro items have runnout and some of the originals do too. The Aftermarket ones Doug sells are really true, and really grip the rails. Click on the link below and scroll almost all the way down on the page. http://www.portlines.com/whatsnew.htm If you get these on squarely and quartered correctly your steam engine will pull great and will not wobble side to side. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines Jerry -- There are aftermarket rubber traction tires available you could install. I think Doug Peck sells them, and I've seen them at train shows at other AF parts dealers. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "conehammer" <conehammer@y...> wrote: > > > You folks have been a great help to this newbie and now I have > another question. Since I've rebuilt my 321; airbrushed the engine ( > using the suggested Floquil "Engine Black" ) she now looks gorgeous ( > I hope to post pix when all done ) but the question is this: On the > pre rubber traction tire engines ( what are they called? Pulmore? ) is > there any way to improve the traction on the old girl? I run her, > smoke bellowing from the stack and her poor wheels are going like 60 > with not an appropriate velocity. I don't think anything is dragging > and for now it has just been the engine by itself. Don't get me wrong > she moves at a pretty good clip and I'm sure is capable of tipping > herself if I'm not careful but to my eye the drive wheels are going > faster than she's moving. So there it is. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jerry S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34533	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines

Also, make sure you order the low height flange version from Doug, as these will not foul the rear mounting lugs Neil > > > I recommend the machined vulcanized rubber tread wheels with the softer > molded on "silicon like" traction tires. > > Many of the repro items have runnout and some of the originals do too. The > Aftermarket ones Doug sells are really true, and really grip the rails. > > Click on the link below and scroll almost all the way down on the page. > > http://www.portlines.com/whatsnew.htm > > > If you get these on squarely and quartered correctly your steam engine will > pull great and will not wobble side to side. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:52 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines > > > > > Jerry -- > > There are aftermarket rubber traction tires available you could > install. I think Doug Peck sells them, and I've seen them at train > shows at other AF parts dealers. > > Phil K > > *************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "conehammer" <conehammer@y...> > wrote: > > > > > > You folks have been a great help to this newbie and now I have > > another question. Since I've rebuilt my 321; airbrushed the engine > ( > > using the suggested Floquil "Engine Black" ) she now looks > gorgeous ( > > I hope to post pix when all done ) but the question is this: On the > > pre rubber traction tire engines ( what are they called? > Pulmore? ) is > > there any way to improve the traction on the old girl? I run her, > > smoke bellowing from the stack and her poor wheels are going like > 60 > > with not an appropriate velocity. I don't think anything is > dragging > > and for now it has just been the engine by itself. Don't get me > wrong > > she moves at a pretty good clip and I'm sure is capable of tipping > > herself if I'm not careful but to my eye the drive wheels are going > > faster than she's moving. So there it is. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34534	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: STOUT

Don't forget that the consigner of the stuff is probly paying Stout 17% also. I tried to sign up for one of their auctions it was a pain. Bob Persing. ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] STOUT > > > Can anyone give me a stuot auction #? > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34535	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Fwd: STOUDT AUCTIONS (KMM28199273V57840L0KM)

Here is E-Bays reply ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34536	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: HERE IS E-BAYS REPLY

Hello Michael, Thank you for contacting eBay. I would be happy to assist you with your inquiry. The Buyer's Premium is the amount paid by the buyer to the auction house for every purchase in a live auction. This premium is usually a percentage of the final price of a lot. For example, if a bidder wins a lot at $1,000, they may have to pay an additional $100 (10% of the winning bid) to the auction house. You can find the buyer's premium percentages to be applied in an upcoming auction by visiting its catalog overview page. Each seller sets his or her own premium. To get to the catalog overview page, click on "Buy" on the top of any Live Auctions page and select the catalog in which you are interested. I truly thank you for the opportunity to assist you and hope you have found the information I have provided for you useful.  Good luck and have a terrific day! Regards, Sheryl D. L. eBay Customer Support _____________________________________________ Marketplace Safety Tip: Protect yourself from fraudulent emails that ask for sensitive personal information like credit card numbers, passwords ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34537	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: LOOKING FOR AIRPLANE GUY OSH cal.

Hi Guys, Will the person that traded me an aircraft calendar for a OSH calendar please contact me off list. Thank you, Mike PS: If anyone has an extra 2005 OSH calendar please contact me ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34538	From: T Larson	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: applicator

http://ezmix.com/dabber.htm Here's a nice item for several model railroading uses. -- Ted Larson Organ donation is a no-brainer http://www.organdonor.gov/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34539	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: More Mikados

Click on link, B&O set. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5958075297& rd=1> &category=480&item=5958075297&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34540	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 20, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34541	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: applicator

Ted, Thanks for the link to those dabbers. I have been using a simalar dabber from a automotive supplier for use of touch up paint. They charge 1.25 for just two of them. They work great, as I have been trying to find a source for them for less cost. These are used by dentist also. The one's from the site you gave are 20 cents each. 40 for 7.95 Thanks for the link, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34542	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: NASG Website Award

This is a reminder to vote for your favorite website. Everybody can vote, you don't need to be a NASG member. You can vote by clicking on the NASG icon found on most webpages. You can also send an email to John Foley at foleys1@... Please vote, the more people who get involved and vote, the better the results. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34543	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/18/2005
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR AIRPLANE GUY OSH cal.

How many do you need? I live 1/2 a mile from OSH and have been sending those to customers who buy stuff from me. The manager usually gives me a handful; though I haven't gone to get more recently so I'm unsure if they have more. Greg www.NicksTrains.com >From: anormal1@... >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] LOOKING FOR AIRPLANE GUY OSH cal. >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:03:01 EST > > > >Hi Guys, > Will the person that traded me an aircraft calendar for a >OSH >calendar please contact me off list. Thank you, Mike >PS: If anyone has an extra 2005 OSH calendar please contact me >ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34544	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Mikado question

Y'all...We have a good customer at the hobby shop I work part time at who has a problem with the sound on the Flyonel Mikado. The engine will run fine most of the time but every once in a while it will "miss a beat" while chuffing along. Sounds like; chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff. It's not regular, but intermitant. Track and wheel cleaning have made no difference, so it's coming back to us next week. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what was the fix? Loose wire or plug on circuit board? Bad board? Stumpy Stone...enquiring minds want to know...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34545	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question

I am not the best to answer this, but I am awake so I will offer some ideas based on my own experience. Question 1: Is he using TMCC or conventional mode? Question 2: Does he have a fresh battery? Question 3: is the sound module plugged in firmly? Question 4: Are all the wires to the sound level pot in tact? Conventional mode: In non conventional mode it eats batteries fast. I have a B&O unit and a NYC both act the same way, and I have spoken with others. The sound is flaky in conventional mode without a battery, as the voltage to make the traction motor work is low enough that you don't get proper sound operation without a "juicy" battery. TMCC mode: The sound works great in TMCC mode if you have good track work, operate at higher voltages, and have a strong TMCC signal throughout the trackwork. If you have some rough spots, or perhaps poor signal you will hear an occasional sound dropout (with no battery) With a fresh battery, in TMCC mode I have never had the sound dropout running at 18 to 20 volts. (even running very fast over my crappy track work) With no battery, in TMCC mode operating very fast, my NYC engine will skip a couple of chuffs at the opposite side of the loop from where the TMCC signal is input (on a rough track joint) almost every time. With no battery, in TMCC mode and operating at slow speeds (no contact wheels skipping due to my crappy sectional track in rubber roadbed on carpet) I have NEVER had the sound skip. MK -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 6:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado question Y'all...We have a good customer at the hobby shop I work part time at who has a problem with the sound on the Flyonel Mikado. The engine will run fine most of the time but every once in a while it will "miss a beat" while chuffing along. Sounds like; chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff. It's not regular, but intermitant. Track and wheel cleaning have made no difference, so it's coming back to us next week. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what was the fix? Loose wire or plug on circuit board? Bad board? Stumpy Stone...enquiring minds want to know...in Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34546	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Gilbert collectors

Explain to me the thinking by Gilbert AF collectors that when they buy a piece of Gilbert sight unseen and only relying on verbal explanation (i.e. Ebay for instance) that it has to be mint,unused etc,etc or they spend the next several days criticizing the seller for what they bought. Do they not realize that these are 50+year old toys and we don't live in a fool proof world. Now I know why I'm out of Gilbert Flyer for good, and will only look at and buy "new wave " S. Ed in Fla, ready for a flame war [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34547	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF traction rims & parts update

BLATANT COMMERCIAL FOLLOWS ! Thanks, Mark, Phil, and Neil for the "plugs". These traction rims have become quite popular for rebuilding original pullmor drivers, as well as rebuilding non-PM drivers to turn them into PM. Neil mentioned the narrow-flange.....these are 1.33" overall flange-diameter. We also have the later 1.38" flange-diameter rims, but these should only be used on engines that had original PM drivers of that diameter. Also, PM rims for the 0-8-0 engines are available. AND...replacement PM wheels for diesels (the early type with a rubber tread and face). While I'm at it, I'll mention the following new items for repair purposes: corner "skirts" for the New Haven EP-5 corner skirts for the streamline passenger cars talking station reproducers, the early all-metal type We have the gear, and the cow, for the cow-on-track in the works, as well as the blue operating boxcar man. And we expect to have plated drawbars for Northerns, K5s, 080s, Hudsons, and 293s ready very soon.....they are being plated right now. Please note that we are now CLOSED for vacation, and will re-open on Tuesday, March 1st. Our deadline for Advance-Orders on the 2005 Catalog 1 AF line is Saturday, March 5th. All pricing is shown on our website. <<< From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Subject: RE: Re: Improving traction on older Flyer engines I recommend the machined vulcanized rubber tread wheels with the softer molded on "silicon like" traction tires. Many of the repro items have runnout and some of the originals do too. The Aftermarket ones Doug sells are really true, and really grip the rails. Click on the link below and scroll almost all the way down on the page. http://www.portlines.com/whatsnew.htm If you get these on squarely and quartered correctly your steam engine will pull great and will not wobble side to side. Mark>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ----------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34548	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors

Hi Ed, I am a collector of Gilbert Flyer and feel that EBay has been the reason I have been able to get back into the hobby. I for years was unable to find or locate any Flyer stuff. I have to say that approx. 99% of my collection has been aquired from EBay, and I have had such few negative transactions that they arent even worth remembering. I believe, being a Customer Care Manager for a homebuilder, that the vast majority of people are pleased with the purchase and the level of quality, and a few arent. I think, with the exception of a few people who have gotten taken/scandeled/conned, that the majority of people who use EBay for their means to aquire Flyer are pretty pleased. Gee, if I wrote an email to the SGroup each time I had a successful transaction, Id spend more time writing that than surfing GILBERT AMERICAN FLYER on EBay. I appreciate people who have had a bad experience telling us of the seller so we that possibly may be considering a purchase from them can be more careful, but lets limit to those instances where one has been totally taken. If anyone wishes to hear my comments on the beautiful collection I have compiled through EBay, ASK, if not I will keep it all to myself!!!!!!!!! Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34549	From: larryasp	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question

Mine did that at the same place on the layout. I found a bent rail - in thte middle, one side- bent just a bit, but enough to cause it to rock and disconnect the locomotive temporarily. Found the offending track and replace it, and things are fine again. Also - is his battery good, any broken wires in the tender? I think someone stepped on the track years ago causing the ever so slight bend. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado question > > > > Y'all...We have a good customer at the hobby shop I work part time at > who has a problem with the sound on the Flyonel Mikado. The engine > will run fine most of the time but every once in a while it > will "miss a beat" while chuffing along. > Sounds like; chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, > chuff, , chuff, chuff. It's not regular, but intermitant. > Track and wheel cleaning have made no difference, so it's coming back > to us next week. > Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what was the fix? Loose > wire or plug on circuit board? Bad board? > Stumpy Stone...enquiring minds want to know...in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34550	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Fw: [coTowpath] Steam train to END.

Anyone who knows of the Western Maryland train ride in Cumberland or who wants to ride it, the ride will end this year, as this is from a C&O Canal yahoo group I am on. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry To: coTowpath@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: [coTowpath] Steam train to END. If you are planning on riding the steam train from Cumberland to Frostburg and then biking to the Savage Tunnel you will need to do it this summer. Per WCBC radio today "Scenic Railroad Run To Frostburg To End --------------------------------------------------------------------- After 17 years, the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad will cease running from Cumberland to Frostburg as of December. State and local officials met Friday at the County Office Complex to discuss the future of the railroad and the Allegheny Highlands Trail. Barb Buehl, Director fo the Chamber of Commerce, told WCBC News that alternate routes are being considered." ------------------------------------------------------------- If you want more info on the train check http://www.mdmountainside.com/category.php?category=164 We in Allegany county will miss that wonderful asset. Larry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coTowpath/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: coTowpath-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34551	From: Fred Alles	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Tender for 332AC

Folks, Anyone have or know where I can get a nice tender for a 332AC Northern? I found a real nice engine but no Tender. Contact me off line if you know of anyone. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34552	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Adding Pullmore's to early steam engines

The original pullmore tired wheels are slightly larger in diameter than the early non-pullmore wheels. The difference is in the tire, not the rest of the wheel. So, if you just put pullmores on the back axle of the engine, the locomotive will tilt towards the front, and the pilot will catch on grade changes! Solution is to get some later (post '54) front rims for your locomotive. Or, you could shim the front of the chassis to get the engine to set "square." I discovered this little variance back when putting pullmores on my Daylighted Royal Blue locos. Fortuantely, the later plain tires seem to be plentiful--so far! Maybe Neil can be talked into doing a special "early diameter" version of his pullmore rims. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34553	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question

Y'all...We have a good customer at the hobby shop I work part time at who has a problem with the sound on the Flyonel Mikado. The engine will run fine most of the time but every once in a while it will "miss a beat" while chuffing along. Sounds like; chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff. It's not regular, but intermitant. Track and wheel cleaning have made no difference, so it's coming back to us next week. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what was the fix? Loose wire or plug on circuit board? Bad board? Stumpy Stone...enquiring minds want to know...in Martins Ferry, OH. Tell him to feel lucky. My chuff and brake squeal function has quit completely. Also the engineer and tower talk operates as if the loco were standing still all the time. So the link between the loco and the tender is lost. The tender reproduces the standing still sounds and the whistle and bell, the Loco sends the moving signals to the tender. My chuff quit 4 days ago and the brake squeal quit 5 seconds later.... I have to send it back to Lionel. Told me 6 weeks....... Steve Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34554	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors

Hi Tom, I would love to hear about the AF items you have won on Ebay, as Ebay and trains show all have plusses and minuses. I agree with you that Ebay let a collector, not a hoarder, find what he is looking for. I have found some really good things on Ebay and then some really bad things too, as that is no worse what has happen to be at a train show, when I was too new to the hobby. Buying on Ebay is all about buying from a good seller that has a good history of feedback. Most of the mis grading is from non train people who have a few pieces to sale. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <TWesthelle@...> To: <MarPack57@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert collectors > > > Hi Ed, > I am a collector of Gilbert Flyer and feel that EBay has been the reason I > have been able to get back into the hobby. I for years was unable to find or > locate any Flyer stuff. > I have to say that approx. 99% of my collection has been aquired from EBay, > and I have had such few negative transactions that they arent even worth > remembering. > > I believe, being a Customer Care Manager for a homebuilder, that the vast > majority of people are pleased with the purchase and the level of quality, and a > few arent. > > I think, with the exception of a few people who have gotten > taken/scandeled/conned, that the majority of people who use EBay for their means to aquire > Flyer are pretty pleased. > Gee, if I wrote an email to the SGroup each time I had a successful > transaction, Id spend more time writing that than surfing GILBERT AMERICAN FLYER on > EBay. > > I appreciate people who have had a bad experience telling us of the seller so > we that possibly may be considering a purchase from them can be more careful, > but lets limit to those instances where one has been totally taken. > > If anyone wishes to hear my comments on the beautiful collection I have > compiled through EBay, ASK, if not I will keep it all to myself!!!!!!!!! > > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34555	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors

Reasoning by analogy: Why would anyone waste their money on model trains when you could be buying Barbie Dolls? I like them better. It's what I grew up with. There is an intangible emotional bond that has developed over the years. It's no more rational than collecting Barbie Dolls. By the way, I think I am in the majority that buy on ebay realistically expecting something that's 50 years or more old and appreciate what I get. It's only a small minority that gripe about what they get. I protect myself and increase my chances by asking for larger, more detailed pictures if I have any doubt. Only once did I buy something sight unseen: a bubbling water tower that was advertised as "like new." The seller didn't have an electronic camera and I was the only guy who trusted him. I got it so cheap that I figured it was a reasonable gamble. Turns out I was lucky: the guy was totally honest - it was like new and bubbles great - you can see it on the corner of my layout. I really should send him $75 more. Bob marpack57@... wrote: Explain to me the thinking by Gilbert AF collectors that when they buy a piece of Gilbert sight unseen and only relying on verbal explanation (i.e. Ebay for instance) that it has to be mint,unused etc,etc or they spend the next several days criticizing the seller for what they bought. Do they not realize that these are 50+year old toys and we don't live in a fool proof world. Now I know why I'm out of Gilbert Flyer for good, and will only look at and buy "new wave " S. Ed in Fla, ready for a flame war [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34556	From: Reddington	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Pencil Torch use

Hello, I wondered if anyone here has used a pencil torch to do any soldering with AF. Specifically with ACG track. Sometimes it is just ugly trying to use a soldering iron with the track and I like to wire right to the track. Any opinions I ask? Does a pencil torch have any useful hobby applications? Or is it like using a blowtorch in place of a match?! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34557	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2575

I have two extra Pike master #24230 Peabody Three bay hoppers in good condition, no scratches & all of the steps. $35.00 + $5. shipping. If any one is interested. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34558	From: keefer1	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: ebay descriptions

If the phrase "as-is" is included in a description , does that mean, A. Regardless of how an item is described ,to include obvious misrepresentations ,your stuck with it? or B. The description given is accurate to the best of the sellers ability, but just in case there is something he missed or hidden , the seller isn't responsible? Keith PS .Anyone looking for smitty parts? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34559	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert collectors

In my opinion 50 years old or not if you say it is mint it better be mint. Mint is not age dependent. Something 2 days old can be scratched and broken and is definitely not mint. The reason there are standards for verbal descriptions is that condition is not time dependent. Saying "good shape for 50 years old" doesn't mean much. It is either in good shape or it is not. New means brand new, all original, unused, absolutely unmarred with original packing, and it can be 50 years old. I don't know what your point is or what situation you have experienced, but condition is condition and the description should not change whether it is 2 days old or 2 decades. Did you sell some things on ebay and the purchaser was not happy? How did you describe the item(s) if this is the case? MK -----Original Message----- From: marpack57@... [mailto:marpack57@...] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 8:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert collectors Explain to me the thinking by Gilbert AF collectors that when they buy a piece of Gilbert sight unseen and only relying on verbal explanation (i.e. Ebay for instance) that it has to be mint,unused etc,etc or they spend the next several days criticizing the seller for what they bought. Do they not realize that these are 50+year old toys and we don't live in a fool proof world. Now I know why I'm out of Gilbert Flyer for good, and will only look at and buy "new wave " S. Ed in Fla, ready for a flame war [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34560	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Fw: Pre War AF HO set????

This is from Gordon Wilson of the TCA, who is looking for some information on Pre War AF HO. He is writing for a friend in NJ who has his email address below in the letter. If any one can contact Ed that would be great. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Christie1wilson@... To: mlmarmer@... Cc: ednliz@... Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Pre War AF HO set???? Hi Mike, I just got an email from a friend in New Jersey by the name of Ed Heil. He would like to touch base with someone who knows about AF Pre-War Flyer HO stuff. All I know about it is that it is very heavy and I could never figure out how it pulled itself around the track. Might you be able to assist him or know someone who could. Ed is a long time friend of mine and is as straight an arrow as there is in this hobby. Trust and Ed are synonymous. His email address is:ednliz@.... As you can see from the CC, I'm sending him a copy of this email. I'd appreciate any help you might be able to send his way. BTW - when do NATIONALS single game Tix go on sale? Regards, Gordon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34561	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: E Z logs for Flyer log cars

I don't know how many on this list would care, but here is an easy way to make better looking logs for your log cars. The "logs" that came with my operating log dump car are just large dowels, not too realistic. I bought a couple of dowels of the same size from the local Lowes, cut them into the correct lengths. I also cut a few at an angle and then broke them apart just before the cut went all the way through to make it look more like a typical axe cut tree. Next I scraped my snap saw along the dowels length wise to give the appearance of bark on the tree. If you make the scraped line a bit irregular it looks better. The next step was to paint the logs with Accuflex dark tuscan brown (although whatever brown you like will work just as well) to look like bark. I did not paint the ends of the logs as this would look lighter anyway. With the paint dry, I drilled into the logs at irregular places and just enough to remove the paint to show where "branches" might have been cut off. I next drew "rings" in the ends of the logs with a very sharp pencil. Finally, the logs were given a coat of Testors Dullcote to darknen the ends and "fix" the rings and paint. Not a perfect representation, but much better than plain old dowels, and cheap too! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34562	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Adding Pullmore's to early steam engines

David and all: Doug also now sells plain rims to compliment the new PM rims so that you can do a complete replacement or an upgrade for earlier steamers to take full advantage of the PM feature. Regards, Neil > > > The original pullmore tired wheels are slightly larger in diameter than the > early non-pullmore wheels. The difference is in the tire, not the rest of > the wheel. So, if you just put pullmores on the back axle of the engine, the > locomotive will tilt towards the front, and the pilot will catch on grade > changes! Solution is to get some later (post '54) front rims for your > locomotive. Or, you could shim the front of the chassis to get the engine to > set "square." I discovered this little variance back when putting pullmores > on my Daylighted Royal Blue locos. Fortuantely, the later plain tires seem > to be plentiful--so far! Maybe Neil can be talked into doing a special > "early diameter" version of his pullmore rims. > S' > David D. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34563	From: paflyrman	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay Descriptions

I can take the "as is" stuff; what gets me are all of those "RARE" items that turn out to be green 631 T&P gondolas, etc. Wish ebay could somhow monitor the use of the word in the train catagories. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34564	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: ebay descriptions

As is means if you buy it it's yours. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34565	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

884 Rock Island Motor Transit 32' trailer http://mopac1.tripod.com/884.gif 885 Rock Island white 40' van trailer 7-74 http://mopac1.tripod.com/885.gif 886 MKT red & silver passenger car http://mopac1.tripod.com/886.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34566	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 2/19/2005
Subject: Re: ebay descriptions

Keith, I believe the phrase is "Buyer beware". In my experience "as is" usually means "you better be really sure you want to pay this much for my piece of junk, sucker" Darrell S --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > > If the phrase "as-is" is included in a description , > does that mean, > > A. Regardless of how an item is described ,to > include obvious misrepresentations ,your stuck with > it? > > or > > B. The description given is accurate to the best > of the sellers ability, but just in case there is > something he missed or hidden , the seller isn't > responsible? > > Keith > > PS .Anyone looking for smitty parts? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34567	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: B&O Passenger set amd MIkado

Hi Everyone, I anyone still wants a B&O set the guy next to me at the Greenberg show has one for around 750 I believe. If you are interested call me today on my cell phone at 937-657-3934. I will be happy to help you purchase this set today. No Charge on my part. Show starts at 10 this AM. We canset this up for delivery or pickup at my store. Chris Chris Burger Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 937-657-3934(cell) NASG TCA NMRA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34568	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: wobble

The following statement by Mark has prompted my question. If you get these on squarely and quartered correctly your steam engine will pull great and will not wobble side to side. All my 4-4-2s wobble, is there a fix for this or is it the nature of the beast? I haven't tried anything yet, but I have wondered if there is a cure. Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34569	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Locos American Models, Lionel, Showcase Lines, etc:

Lately there has been great discussion about Lionel's new Mikado 2-8-2. I was wondering if anyone could compare it to Americans Models 4-6-2 Pacific, and Showcase Lines E-27 Consolidation 2-8-0. Which ,if any, seems to have the best details, best constructed motor, easiest maintenance, etc:? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34570	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: ebay and American Flyer

Well, I think I can be considered an experienced ebay purchaser. About 2 years ago I received a few American Flyer cars and a whistling board when my cousin found them as he was cleaning out his parents house. Well, they brought back such wonderful memories that I chuck out my 20+ year HO layout and started to build an American Flyer toy train layout. Since then I have amassed through ebay purchases 70 engines, 130 pieces of rolling stock and over 65 working accessories and buildings. Since they are on a working layout in my basement, I didn't have to worry about mint in the box stuff since as soon as I got something, onto the layout it went to be played with just like E.C.Gilbert intended. Almost without exception my ebay purchases were satisfactory. My handle on ebay is snapparcar just in case someone thinks I am making it up. Thanks, Vinny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34571	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Locos American Models, Lionel, Showcase Lines, etc:

In a message dated 02/20/2005 8:50:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, WEG138@... writes: Lately there has been great discussion about Lionel's new Mikado 2-8-2. I was wondering if anyone could compare it to Americans Models 4-6-2 Pacific, and Showcase Lines E-27 Consolidation 2-8-0. Which ,if any, seems to have the best details, best constructed motor, easiest maintenance, etc:? Bill Greaves That's a hard one to answer Bill, since the SHS Consolidation has not yet hit the marketplace. The Mikado by Lionel and the Pacific by American models are similar in construction details and materials. I have not had good luck with the electronics on either of them. The power plug from the tender to the loco on the AM is very fragile and the internal wiring for headlights, etc., is also very fragile. I have had way too much down time on this one constantly repairing broken wires. The Mikado is a very interesting piece to operate with TMCC but a total frustration to run as a standard AC transformer loco. It's innards are also very fragile with loads of electronics crammed into an area that seems to Be way too small to hold it all. Home repair is almost impossible unless you Are an electronic engineer or some such. There are no block diagrams or schematics in the owners manual. Mine quit on me after only 22 days of ownership. The tender sound producing unit no longer sees the signal to it from the loco that tells it that it is moving. Thus no chuff or brake squeal and no tower to loco communications that involve movement. The only sounds that emanate from it now are the loco asking permission to move out of the yard and the towers telling him to "take the green." The whistle and bell still work because they are not tied to the loco's electronics. I'm sure the SHS will be the cream of the crop of these three as far as operational reliability. I have several SHS Diesels and the only thing that has gone wrong with any of them is that a speaker in my UP F-3 blew. They sent me a new one right away and the fix was a snap. Hope this gives you some of the info you were looking for. Steve Blackburn Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34572	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2580

NEEDED: Drawings, assembly plans for a C-D ( Cleveland Model ) P.R.R. 0-6-0 wood kit with electric motor. Found it at a garage sale, no plans. For those not aware, C-D is the for runner of "S" gauge, produced some time in the late "30" . Any and all help would be appreciated. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34573	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question

That is the same problem I have had with mine, The first 2 had this problem right out of the box , & the other one gave out after about 6 hrs. of running , sent them all back to Lionel 6 weeks ago & no word on them yet. battery life with a new battery was only about 3 hrs ??? So far not too happy > > > > Y'all...We have a good customer at the hobby shop I work part time at > who has a problem with the sound on the Flyonel Mikado. The engine > will run fine most of the time but every once in a while it > will "miss a beat" while chuffing along. > Sounds like; chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, > chuff, , chuff, chuff. It's not regular, but intermitant. > Track and wheel cleaning have made no difference, so it's coming back > to us next week. > Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what was the fix? Loose > wire or plug on circuit board? Bad board? > Stumpy Stone...enquiring minds want to know...in Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34574	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2580

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:05:03 -0600 From: "Reddington" <JRKRRDD@...> Subject: Pencil Torch use Hello, I wondered if anyone here has used a pencil torch to do any soldering with AF. Specifically with ACG track. Sometimes it is just ugly trying to use a soldering iron with the track and I like to wire right to the track. Any opinions I ask? Does a pencil torch have any useful hobby applications? Or is it like using a blowtorch in place of a match?! I have a Pencil Torch, and have been disappointed with it. It heats up to large an area, it may be grate for some applications, + they have a tendency to set things a fire. I use a Wellers 240/325 watt speed gun to solder track and other heavy jobs, and a small Wellers 100/140 watt for small jobs, and a very small electric iron for printed circuits. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34575	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: ebay descriptions

There's an old proverb that says "One man's story seems right until his neighbor comes along and tells the other side of the story." Now that we've heard a pretty thorough statement of the negative side of theissue, here's the other side. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." In my experience, the sellers on ebay are, for the most part, good and honest people. They describe their items fairly to the best of their ability, but some aren't into trains and have never heard of the TCA. So they provide pictures and descriptionson the site, and are willing to answer questions and send more detailed pictures on request. They say "as-is" or "no guarantee" or something like that to protect themselves from those whose view of beauty doesn't match their own. Yes, "buyer beware" but that doesn't mean the seller's motives aren't honorable. Come on, give people the benefit of the doubt once in a while. "Do unto others ..." Darrell Smith <devansmith@...> wrote: Keith, I believe the phrase is "Buyer beware". In my experience "as is" usually means "you better be really sure you want to pay this much for my piece of junk, sucker" Darrell S --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 wrote: > > If the phrase "as-is" is included in a description , > does that mean, > > A. Regardless of how an item is described ,to > include obvious misrepresentations ,your stuck with > it? > > or > > B. The description given is accurate to the best > of the sellers ability, but just in case there is > something he missed or hidden , the seller isn't > responsible? > > Keith > > PS .Anyone looking for smitty parts? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34576	From: len_hall@yahoo.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: ebay and American Flyer

Glad to hear someone is happy with EBay. I've only been buying Americna Flyer trains a short time and so far I've been totally ripped off once and looks like I'm headed for a second one. I've been paying with cash through PayPal. I'm about to start paying only by credit card so I can get have some kind of recourse whenever I don't get delivery. --- vncent manjoney <snappar@...> wrote: > > > > Well, I think I can be considered an experienced > ebay purchaser. > About 2 years ago I received a few American Flyer > cars and a > whistling board when my cousin found them as he was > cleaning out his > parents house. Well, they brought back such > wonderful memories that I > chuck out my 20+ year HO layout and started to build > an American > Flyer toy train layout. Since then I have amassed > through ebay > purchases 70 engines, 130 pieces of rolling stock > and over 65 working > accessories and buildings. Since they are on a > working layout in my > basement, I didn't have to worry about mint in the > box stuff since as > soon as I got something, onto the layout it went to > be played with > just like E.C.Gilbert intended. > Almost without exception my ebay purchases were > satisfactory. My > handle on ebay is snapparcar just in case someone > thinks I am making > it up. > Thanks, Vinny > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34577	From: Bill Lange	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Mikado question

I was the first one on the list to report a Mikado problem, but I am very happy with it now. I had the lubrication problem and the loose leads on the volume control. As far as skipping chuffs goes if you are running in TMCC mode, look for dips in your trackwork that cause the IR tether to momentarily lose contact. I have a spot like this on my still running Christmas layout. The possibility of the leads being loose on the volume control should also be checked. If you experience this in conventional mode, clean track and a good battery come into play as well. Hope this helps! Bill Lange (Hardly as witty as Stumpy but still lovin my trains in New Jersey!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34578	From: Bill Lange	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Locos American Models, Lionel, Showcase Lines, etc:

Steve, Have you tried to reset the factory defaults on the Mikado. It's the procedure near the end of the manual on page 23 that calls for resetting the engine id and entering an AUX1 / 74 command. I found that after a few times of changing momentum and setting the stall speed on multiple engines; I've converted an Atlantic using Carl Tuveson's board, that I lost various sound functions. Resetting factory defaults restored them. Also check the leads in the tender connected to the volume control. The strain relief/insulators on the end of the leads will keep the wires in place if the leads are broken, giving intermittent connections. That's what I discovered with mine after I installed the battery. I'm convinced the production or quality checking process flexes those connections after they are made and can leave broken leads in place. Bill Lange -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... [mailto:boss31@...] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 2:26 PM To: WEG138@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Locos American Models, Lionel, Showcase Lines, etc: The Mikado is a very interesting piece to operate with TMCC but a total frustration to run as a standard AC transformer loco. It's innards are also very fragile with loads of electronics crammed into an area that seems to Be way too small to hold it all. Home repair is almost impossible unless you Are an electronic engineer or some such. There are no block diagrams or schematics in the owners manual. Mine quit on me after only 22 days of ownership. The tender sound producing unit no longer sees the signal to it from the loco that tells it that it is moving. Thus no chuff or brake squeal and no tower to loco communications that involve movement. The only sounds that emanate from it now are the loco asking permission to move out of the yard and the towers telling him to "take the green." The whistle and bell still work because they are not tied to the loco's electronics. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34579	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 20, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34580	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Reporting back on my electrical problems

Here's a hearty "thanks" to all of you who offered help, and a report for those who asked that I let you know what I found. This really is a terrific group of people! In addition to providing that feedback, I hope this will help other people who are building or troubleshooting their layouts. First, to remind you of the two problems. 1. Engines having trouble getting up the hill, especially pre-pulmor engines. 2. The back side of my lower loop, in the canyon and tunnels where I have a hard time getting at them, trains gradually lost power, one track at a time. The power is provided by a track terminal in the canyon. Two track sections later, a switch branches off the the "Red Line." The green leg goes to another switch that branches off to the "Green Line." Straight ahead is Union Station. After months of running fine, all my engines started losing power after that second switch and had trouble getting to the station. I knew the problem wasn't the transformer or wiring because the red and green lines ran fine. And it wasn't any particular engine because they all had the same problem. A couple of months later, the same thing started happening on the green line, but the red line still ran fine. Just recently the red line died on me. That was shortly after I joined S-Trains so I asked for your help. The consensus on problem 1 was that I needed to replace the drive wheels on my pre-pulmor engines. Someone else mentioned that it takes more power to pull a train up a curved trestle than a straight one. That's part of my problem - a 90-degree bend right in the middle of the rise! But I don't have the space to fix that. Someone else suggested putting one or more track terminals in the middle of the rise. Now, why didn't I think of that? It took only one to solve the power problem; no more struggling up the hill, even with the curve! I will probably replace the drive wheels on my pre-pulmor engines some time because the wheels slip on some of them. For now, I'll just run them on the lower level. I got so many suggestions on problem 2 that I had to distill them into a plan of action, choosing which one to start with. It seemed like the easiest first step was to use a voltmeter to find out where the biggest voltage drop-off occurred. The result was surprising: there was no voltage anywhere! I jury-rigged a way to get at the track terminal in the canyon: a big piece of foam rubber over the tracks in my rail yard. There's the first tip to someone building a layout: make sure it's easy to get at EVERY piece of track on your layout. Murphy's Law says the least accessible place is where the problem will occur. When I got there, I found the wire had come off the track terminal. I reconnected it and guess what: trains now run well through all three lines! If anyone has an explanation of how that can happen, I'd appreciate it! How could a loose wire affect only one of three lines, and then two, before cutting off all three? I guess the lesson learned is to first check all the wires, even if that can't possibly be the problem. Naw, that can't be the lesson learned. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34581	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: wobble

Bear in mind that the "these" in that statement below refers to the precision machined items that Doug at portliness sells. I have a few AF engines that don't have very much runnout, but most do. Another thing to watch on the Atlantics is due to the pullmores at the front. Since these front wheels have more traction, and the only way for them to be driven is through the drive rods, you couple in the intermittent push of the drive rods with slop in both the front and rear axle bearings and you may have an engine that will wobble even if the wheels are round true in runnout and square to the axle. They work better with the pullmores on the back, but you may have to have weight in the front of the plastic Atlantics to keep them from raring up and derailing when on curves or switches pulling a lot of rolling stock. I have heard comments/speculation on this list that the wheelie tendency is probably why Gilbert moved the pullmores up front. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Stoltz [mailto:tstoltz@...] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:17 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] wobble The following statement by Mark has prompted my question. If you get these on squarely and quartered correctly your steam engine will pull great and will not wobble side to side. All my 4-4-2s wobble, is there a fix for this or is it the nature of the beast? I haven't tried anything yet, but I have wondered if there is a cure. Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34582	From: Mike Vana	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Great Northern "GP5"

"Neil Becker" <afmaven@...> asked: OK I'll bite; what is a GP 5? (I know he meant EP5) ----------------------------------------- While this was about a Lionel American Flyer EP5 electric painted in Great Northern colors, the real Great Northern, and its successor, Burlington Northern, had diesels called GP5's. They were GP9's rebuilt with parts of traded-in FT's, so had only 1350 horsepower. Technically these would be called GP9m's, "m" meaning modified. Since a GP7 has 1500 hp, and a GP9 has 1750 hp, someone reasoned that a 1350 hp Geep would be a GP5. The real GP5's were Great Northern numbers 900-915, renumbered to BN 1350-1365. That was a rather interesting typo.... Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34583	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2580

I uae a butane sodering iron,at work on car wiring and on my trains. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2580 > > > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:05:03 -0600 > From: "Reddington" <JRKRRDD@...> > Subject: Pencil Torch use > > > Hello, > > I wondered if anyone here has used a pencil torch to do any soldering > with AF. Specifically with ACG track. Sometimes it is just ugly trying > to use a soldering iron with the track and I like to wire right to the > track. Any opinions I ask? Does a pencil torch have any useful hobby > applications? Or is it like using a blowtorch in place of a match?! > > > I have a Pencil Torch, and have been disappointed with it. It > heats up to large an area, it may be grate for some applications, + they > have a tendency to set things a fire. I use a Wellers 240/325 watt speed > gun to solder track and other heavy jobs, and a small Wellers 100/140 > watt for small jobs, and a very small electric iron for printed circuits. > Jerry 77-11644 > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34584	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/20/2005
Subject: Re: Chat

could not get on chat Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34585	From: conehammer	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Repairing a SIT bellows

Hi folks. Sorry for the length of this post. While repairing my 322 with the smoke in tender unit I've first taken the easy way to fixing the smoke unit by replacing the bellows with a piston and cylinder that mounted in place of the now broken bellows. Aha! said I this will ne'er wear out! Well I don't s'pose it will in my lifetime. But it makes an unpleasant 'cling, cling, cling' sort of sound while running. Produces great amounts, or at least sufficient amounts of air to puff smoke out and look good. I demo'd the engine for a friend, 'Cling, cling, clinnnng' it puffed. 'What's that sound?' they asked.... Ummm, let me get back to you, said I. That's when I decided to revisit the bellows. Being thrifty ( read cheap AND lazy) I didn't want to send 35.00 anywhere to anyone for parts to repair the bellows. So I carefully pealed off the old bellows. Hmm this looks like the material my childhood ( from the 1950s ) raincoat was made of. Oilcloth? or the modern plastcized version. Hunting around I found no oilcloth suppliers nearby ( rememeber I didn't want to send any $$ to anyone, anywhere ) I found some tan/khaki ( yeah I know, tan/khaki not black) "cammo" vinyl/ fabric that is close in thickness to the original material. Ok I said I need to form a piece to the bellows ends. Knowing I couldn't freehand it I decided to make a mandrel; I used wood. I made the mandrel round and 1.39" in diameter. I calculated the mandrel diameter using the circumference of the bellow's end pieces but made it somewhat smaller to make it a snug fit and allow for stretching. ( Remember your high school arithmatic? C/d = 3.14159 ? ) So I cut a piece of the vinyl about 1.25" wide and ~4.7" long and glued the ends together using vinyl adhesive. I slipped the resulting tube off of the mandrel and trimmed it to the width of the old bellows fabric and glued the trimmed tube to the bellow ends. Viola! a functional and quiet bellows. Sorry to bore you gents but I was tickled pink when I found the materials to do this... Jerry Carducci

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34586	From: Bruce	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: good ebay experience

I'll pass on a good experience with ebay. I've been watching occassionally for the 1997 Santa Fe PAs and passenger cars. I checked a couple weeks ago and found them, new in the box, as separate listings (PAs & cars) from the same seller. The auction only had 30 minutes to go. The PAs were over-bid, but the cars were still a good deal at the current high bid of $200. I looked at the bid history to see if I could get a clue about the bidder, double checked my Greenburg and TM price guides, decided what I was willing to pay, and made my bid with just a few minutes to go. I got them for $202.50! The cashier's check was in the mail the next day and I had my cars about a week later. I'm a happy camper waiting now for my good deal on the PAs to go with the passenger cars. Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34587	From: Al	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Hunting for junker GP-7, GP-9, or GP-20

Hi Guys, I'm hunting for a junker GP-7, GP-9, or GP-20 that does not run due to burnt out motor, e-Unit does not work, etc., but has most everything else intact (shell, chassis (frame), and trucks). If you have one you want to sell, let me know via e-mail and price you are asking. Thanks, Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34588	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Chat

Jerry, Sorry you missed it. What kind of problem did you have? Rardshell --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: > > > could not get on chat > Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34589	From: jt12313	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Small S depot kit

Hello all, After nearly three decades of meaning to do it, I finally have the beginnings of a layout on a board. The loop is done, now I need to check the wiring and a few other minor details. That being said, since I am in a farm state and within driving distance is a railroad siding that to a grain depot/town site that was once owned/founded by a distant relative. All that remains is an old CNW depot and a great many grain bins. does anyone make a small S depot kit that I can put the family name upon? Also, I saw in an recent NASG magazine of a bungalow kit, who makes/carries that one? Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34590	From: Dennis Back	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing a SIT bellows

--- conehammer <conehammer@...> wrote: > ..That's when I decided to revisit the bellows. Being > thrifty ( read > cheap AND lazy) I didn't want to spend 35.00 > > >... Hey wait a minute...I thought I was reading a post from David Dewey there for a minute (cheap and lazy)!!! <vbg> Seriously, thanks for the info on the bellows. BTW...David would have used player piano bellows material for the SIT bellows as he also restores old pianos. Best regards, Dennis Miami (NOT Ohio) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34591	From: Dave W	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Oddball 1/64 scale vehicles

Just in case you folks wanted some of the stranger-looking vehicles on your layout, some of the Monster Garage TV show conversions are available. What? You didn't want a Ford Mustang Lawnmower? http://www.ediecast.com/cgi-bin/edlist.cgi?pm=LISTBYPID&pid=2488 Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34592	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: SIT bellows

OK, one more time folks!! :) The cloth used is player piano pnuematic cloth, so if you know anyone doing player work, you can get some, pretty cheap. I think Doug and the others also sell it. Not having any units handy, you'll have to measure for yourself, but you cut it into a strip as wide as the existing cloth. to take the old cloth off, I use an iron (not the good one used for clothes!!) and heat the glued edge, the hide glue will let go and you can pull the old cloth off intact, and see all the holes in it now! It also can serve as a pattern to cut your new cloth, if you like. I make a block of wood to fit between the "end plates" so they are the same distance apart as when the cloth was on them. I like to put the seam at the top of the unit, so it doesn't rub on the frame. I use hot animal glue, the same stuf that ACG used, when you get the cloth from your friendly piano person, beg a few crystals from him. You add a bit of water and heat it to below boiling, it becomes a syrupy liquid (thin syrup). you brush this on one edge of both plates, and apply the cloth. Hmm, just a sec. I do this to the side next to the seam, and leave enough cloth to make the seam on the other side, as the glue sets up very quickly. continue around the other two sides, then remove the spacer block, and glue the seam sides, but not the seam itself, that I glue with some rubber cement, so it can flex. Finally I take the warm iron, and iron the glued areas, this sets the glue into the cloth and really makes it air-tight (a trick an old player technician taught me, makes the player much easier to pump without air leaks!). Now you need to "set the folds" so the belows will close properly. Push in the top and the bottom and form the folds so the they don't rub on the frame. Let it all cure for a few hours, then assemble, and be amazed at how much smoke now comes out of your loco! S' David D. PS this would be much better with pics!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34593	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: 3RAIL &2 RAIL TRACK SORT OF FREE

Anyone want about 25 pcs of 3rail "O" & 15pcs 2rail "O" & a 3 rail crossover? The cost is $12 to cover shipping. Sort of free but still a bit of profit for me (About .50) Contact me off list & I'll let you guys know when it's spoken for. I'll even ship before your check arrives. Mike PS: I'll even throw in a sample vial of my "S"Fluid ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34594	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: SIT Bellows, I forgot someting!

Hi all, Steve posted me asking about Gorrilla Glue for this. I dunno, I've not used it. However, I do know one can use a good grade of white glue, it just doesn't set up quickly, and you don't want to iron it! So, you have to glue one side at a time and let it cure a bit before going to the next side. I don't know how the factory did these, as it does take a bit of time to do it properly. They must have had some neat assembly fixtures! S' David Hmmm, Cheap and Lazy, I resemble that remark!!! :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34595	From: keefer1	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: bellows

I have always used contact cement.You have to do it right the first time, but I haven't ever had an issue with that. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34596	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: OSH CAL

Thank You to all that have offered me calendars. I have gotten a couple on the way. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34597	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: SIT Bellows, I forgot someting!

Cheap & lazy? David? David is to cheap to be lazy. LOL MIke ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34598	From: Phil K	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Gorilla glue

I'm not sure Gorilla glue is appropriate in this application. I use it for furniture making and repairs, and like Super Glue, it activates off the moisture in the wood. A SIT bellows would have not sufficient moisture to get a good activation unless you live in a very humid climate, I would guess. It also gets VERY hard and you can work it with woodworking tools. Plus, based on the moisture available, Gorilla glue foams up and grows exponentially in size to fill gaps between wood surfaces. It can often end up looking like that molasses foamy sponge candy we make on the stove. And be advised that it has a very short shelf life when opened -- maybe six months. I learned that when I used a little out of my first 16 oz bottle and despite recapping tightly, six months later it had solidified in the bottle. You might use the gap-filling, slow-set cyanoacrylics like they sell at Lee Valley -- check out the "Super T" variety, which are thicker and slower-setting. http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&cat=1,110&p=42966 These also have a short shelf life (8-12 months) after being opened. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Steve posted me asking about Gorrilla Glue for this. I dunno, I've not used > it. However, I do know one can use a good grade of white glue, it just > doesn't set up quickly, and you don't want to iron it! So, you have to glue > one side at a time and let it cure a bit before going to the next side. I > don't know how the factory did these, as it does take a bit of time to do it > properly. They must have had some neat assembly fixtures! > S' > David > Hmmm, Cheap and Lazy, I resemble that remark!!! :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34599	From: Phil K	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Hide glue

As has been pointed out, Gilbert used "hide glue" to assemble the bellows on the SIT units. Hide glue originally was made as a by- product of -- yes, hides -- but mostly used up all of horse hooves left over after processing at tanneries. Ergo, the old joke of sending a poor-performing horse "to the glue factory." But to use authentic hide glue, you must have a heated glue pot to keep the glue in liquid form. And after time passes, hide glue becomes very brittle and tends to dry out -- ever sit on an old chair and have it explode into pieces beneath you at the glue joints? There are companies selling bottled hide glue today that does not require heat, but I've never tried it. I do have a heated glue pot I use when doing restorations/repairs of valuable antique furniture -- but only to keep the piece as authentic as possible if that's what is desired by the customer. If they don't care, there are many better adhesive options available today that perform many times better than hide glue. Speaking in my sometimes role as a veritable fountainhead of interesting, but totally useless information. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34600	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Hide glue

Regarding the glue for SIT bellows: I have had good success with a product called " Barge Cement". I have also used it for the feet on the cattle and people for the people mover. Al P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hide glue > > > > As has been pointed out, Gilbert used "hide glue" to assemble the > bellows on the SIT units. Hide glue originally was made as a by- > product of -- yes, hides -- but mostly used up all of horse hooves > left over after processing at tanneries. Ergo, the old joke of > sending a poor-performing horse "to the glue factory." > > But to use authentic hide glue, you must have a heated glue pot to > keep the glue in liquid form. And after time passes, hide glue > becomes very brittle and tends to dry out -- ever sit on an old > chair and have it explode into pieces beneath you at the glue joints? > > There are companies selling bottled hide glue today that does not > require heat, but I've never tried it. I do have a heated glue pot I > use when doing restorations/repairs of valuable antique furniture -- > but only to keep the piece as authentic as possible if that's what > is desired by the customer. If they don't care, there are many > better adhesive options available today that perform many times > better than hide glue. > > Speaking in my sometimes role as a veritable fountainhead of > interesting, but totally useless information. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34601	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: Transfer tables vs. Turntables

Of course, there is the possibility to put a slight curve in the track and make the tracks parallel when they come off the turntable. I think this has been discussed before. Has anyone done this? Of course, it doesn't look to prototypical as lots of space was available when the railroads got their right of ways, as opposed to getting right of ways in your present house. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) nyc17819@... wrote: >Scott Dee asked about a comparison of transfer tables versus turntables. > >Both are used to place engines and / or cars into an enclosed building. >Turntables can also be used to turn a locomotive around so that it is facing in >the opposite direction, but transfer tables can't be used for that. > >Turntables usually go with a roundhouse, and the tracks get farther apart as >they radiate out from the turntable. This means a lot of space between tracks >at the outer wall of the roundhouse as compared to the inner wall nearest the >turntable. Real roundhouses needed the space for repair parts, shop >machinery, and space for people to work on the loco's, but models don't need that much >space and it is effectively wasted. > >Transfer tables usually go with rectangular buildings with parallel tracks >that can be as close together as desired. Because they are parallel, they stay >the same distance apart and don't "waste" space at one end as turntables do. >The Lionel model is conceptually correct. > >Transfer tables were often used in car shops where turning cars was of little >importance. Many passenger car manufacturing and repair shops had transfer >tables, but they were scarce at railroad engine terminals until the advent of >diesels, and even now they are not common. Amtrak does still have one in >service at the Wilmington Delaware shops used originally for electric locomotives. >BNSF uses one at their locomotive rebuilding shop at Alliance Nebraska. >Baldwin Locomotive Works also had one at their Eddystone, Pennsylvania plant but >that is long gone. Probably many more turntables were built and still exist >than transfer tables. > >Chris Harding > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34602	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: K-line S offerrings

I just seen the 2005 catalog for k-line and they have 3 pacfic freight sets(in s gauge) for $269.95!!! They do not compare to lionels mikado detail wise but did look decent to a runner(not hungup on detail but like detailed stuff too.)I assume it is with out track or transformer. They also have separate 4-6-2 s in two roadnames also, and a porter and plymouth switcher and a few freight cars. WOW we have spoken and some one listend, will Mike Wolfe follow suite?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34603	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: FREE TRACK SORT OF

I still have the 3rail & 2rail "O" track FREE for the cost of shipping. APPROX 25pcs of 3rail curved & 15 pcs of 2rail curved with a 3rail crossover & a 3rail ter. track. I'll forgo the $.50 profit I'd make so shipping would be $11.50. The rails are in pretty good cond. Little to no rust PLUS the FREE vial of S Fluid MIKE ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34604	From: keefer1	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: K-line Heres A link

Nice looking stuff, the Milwaukee plymouth diesel caught my eye, reasonable pricing. cant find options,(smoke choo choo whistlees bells) http://www.k-linetrains.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34605	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: FREE TRACK SORT OF IS GONE

The track is gone. Thanks Guys. I may have other "ODD" stuff as I unpack from my move a year ago, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34606	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: K-line links

To save the looking around I have collected all the s-gauge links at this page: http://mwkiner.com/kline_s.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34607	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-line links to S

Sorry Charlie from the old Tuna add! A Reading pacific engine would have a Wooten Boiler. So K-line will be inexpensive and fun to run but it won't sell to any Reading fans. I would consider a B & O set for my soon to be born grandchild. Glenn Modeling the Stony Creek branchline of the Reading Railroad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K-line links > > > To save the looking around I have collected all the s-gauge links at this > page: > > > > http://mwkiner.com/kline_s.htm > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34609	From: CHARLES BORK	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: American Models U25B convert Coupler to Kadee

I have just restarted in S Gauge after a very long hiatus I recently purchased a U25B at a train show. Anyone have thoughts on how to easily convert U Boat to kadee couplers ? Charles Bork in Toledo Ohio __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34610	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-line links

Wow, This is great stuff. Something for the kids, something to kitbash! I can't wait! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34611	From: Phil K	Date: 2/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-line S offerings -- SETS

>>I assume [sets are] without track or transformer.<< Maybe not. At full retail, the Pacific steamers are $150 and the three cars are roughly around $20 each. That's approximately $210, give or take a buck or two. If the set is selling for $40 more ($249.95), I'd venture a guess that a loop of track and transformer are included. (The Reading steam set is $269.95 and comes with a fourth car.) The track under the sets in the photos looks like original Gilbert Flyer, too. Too bad these weren't out in time for last Christmas, but it is still great news for the future of S Gauge and getting kids indoctrinated to our size trains at a very early age. Note that the K-Line sets will sell for the same retail as the Lionel Polar Express sets. Now if K-Line could just make us a detailed, diecast articulated... Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bruce weidner <weidner@a...> wrote: > > I just seen the 2005 catalog for k-line and they have > 3 pacfic freight sets(in s gauge) for $269.95!!! > They do not compare to lionels mikado detail wise but > did look decent to a runner(not hungup on detail but > like detailed stuff too.)I assume it is with out track > or transformer. They also have separate 4-6-2 s in two > roadnames also, and a porter and plymouth switcher and > a few freight cars. WOW we have spoken and some one > listend, will Mike Wolfe follow suite?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34612	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: good ebay experience

Thanks that was me. Too bad we had to go through ebay. Please buy more LOL. What else do you want? Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34613	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line offerings

Very interesting, but no details as to what one gets. Smoke? Sounds? DC or AC? The images all look like computer generated, or protoypes with computer generated color masking. Note that the valve linkage on the Pacific is not on correctly, and probably won't work when the wheels are turned, and the Porter wheels are way out of quarter. Can't wait until the rest of the story comes out! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34614	From: Hannon	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing SIT bellows

I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for this, but here goes. The first SIT I repaired, I was faced with the same dilemma. But I found the solution in my wife's grandmother's treddle Singer sewing machine. A small roll of black linen used to patch mourning dresses. (Remember back when people were poor and not afraid to show it? ). The black linen (any lightweight linen will do) has a tight weave that is perfect for SIT bellows. It's flexible and black. Work the material as follows: Length Cut: Same as old Gilbert bellows, plus enough to cover the edges of the end blocks. Scrape the residual Gilbert stuff off the edges of the blocks until wood/fiber appears. Width Cut: Cut enough to go around the square wood/fiber end blocks PLUS @1/8". Assembly: SEW the seam at the extra 1/8" with a fine stitch (anyone out there remember how to sew, and man enough to admit it? Come to think of it, does anyone out there remember when women knew how to sew?) Flip the sleeve inside-out so the stitch is hidden. Use gorilla glue, crazy glue, or any other kind of good glue to fasten the sleeve to the blocks. Align the seam at any corner of the end blocks. Black Linen can be purchased at any .... (AAARRRRGH!!!! This is where whatever reputation I have gets trashed) JO-ANN'S FABRICS (One of the finest stores for alternative hobby tools and supplies in the continental U.S. And the ladies in the cloth department won't laugh at you when you ask for it). Or any other store that sells bolts of cloth. Problem: They usually sell cloth by the square yard! Solution: Go into the parts business specializing in preformed, replacement bellows. Mine is going on 13 years, and it still works great. Signed, Anonymous

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34615	From: Phil K	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing SIT bellows

Another idea without having to sneak into JoAnne's Fabrics. LOL I've used material cut from an old black umbrella, and the bellows units are still pumping copious volumes of air. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34616	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: American Models U25B convert Coupler to Kadee

I did it easily by talgo mounting 802 couplers w/o draft gear to the coupler mounting brackets on the trucks. This avoids cutting the bracket off the truck to do a body mount, I find body and talgo mount combinations couple together OK on my layout. The purists will prefer a body mount but I wanted to be able to convert back when desired. Chuck Smith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHARLES BORK" <charles_bork@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models U25B convert Coupler to Kadee > > > I have just restarted in S Gauge after a very long > hiatus > > I recently purchased a U25B at a train show. > > Anyone have thoughts on how to easily convert U Boat > to kadee couplers ? > > Charles Bork in Toledo Ohio > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34617	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line Sets

As I told everyone on this list over a year ago, S gauge sets and 3 new locomotives were coming from K-Line. And now we have the catalog to prove it. The steam locomotive is based on their 3000 series 0-27, which is an update of the old Marx 3/16 Pacific loco. The engines will come with smoke and whistle (as I understand it). The Plymouth uses the Plymounth shell already on the market, with a new S gauge chassis. The Porter is new. As I understand it, the sets come ready to run with train, track, lock-on, and transformer. Unfortunately, the track includes the wide radius curves, as K-Line has not yet produced the 19 inch AF radius curved track. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34618	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Sets

All of the links to the new K-line S gauge offerings are now at the top of the front page at my website for easy access. http://www.myflyertrains.org/ Also, please make note of my new email address which is just chuck@... Enjoy...Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34619	From: beebear	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line Sets

Has anyone bought any of the K-Line engines for S gauge? How do they run? How well are they built? I like the looks of the small switchers and may pickup one if they are any good.. Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34620	From: keefer1	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: k-line sets

Well after taking my kline 0-27 loc out of the box,and putting it side by side with a flyer hudson,let's hope k-line didnt just narrow the drivers.If the did that,although it may still be a decent loc,it will dwarf the gilbert stuff. I guess that would make it look good with their oversize freight cars. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34621	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Fwd: K-Line Sets

If these sets are complete, with the price tag of $249.95 and $269.95, this is just the shot in the arm those eager to get into S- Gauge, but unwilling to pay Lionel prices for sets without any track and/or transformers. Add to that, Porters and Plymouth switch engines at $109.95, and steamers at $149.95, to go along with $19.95 for rolling stock, it just doesn't get better than that. The only thing we need now, is to get the word out to those looking from the outside in, and get them to cross over from the darkside. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: As I told everyone on this list over a year ago, S gauge sets and 3 new locomotives were coming from K-Line. And now we have the catalog to prove it. The steam locomotive is based on their 3000 series 0-27, which is an update of the old Marx 3/16 Pacific loco. The engines will come with smoke and whistle (as I understand it). The Plymouth uses the Plymounth shell already on the market, with a new S gauge chassis. The Porter is new. As I understand it, the sets come ready to run with train, track, lock-on, and transformer. Unfortunately, the track includes the wide radius curves, as K-Line has not yet produced the 19 inch AF radius curved track. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa --- End forwarded message ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34622	From: Phil K	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Sets -- "I told you so!"

Joe -- Must feel really good to be able to finally say to all the skeptics: "I told you so." Thanks for giving us an early heads-up on these entry-level sets. They'll be great for the future of S-gauge. From the photos, it looks like a couple of the new K-Line locos also have an engineer in the cab. At $149.95 for a Pacific, it would be great if they did have smoke and a whistle. They may not please the rivet-counters, but they'll be more than adequate for kids and operators alike. I notice K-Line also has TMCC as an option on some of its O gauge locos. They should offer it on the S stuff, too. Now see if you can get us an articulated like they once promised. I signed up that I'd buy one at the NASG in Wisconsin two years ago, then for some reason they killed the project. I thought they said they'd need 500 orders to move it ahead. Seems to me they'd be able to sell at least that many, especially at the $500 price they were quoting. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > > As I told everyone on this list over a year ago, S > gauge sets and 3 new locomotives were coming from > K-Line. And now we have the catalog to prove it. > > The steam locomotive is based on their 3000 series > 0-27, which is an update of the old Marx 3/16 Pacific > loco. The engines will come with smoke and whistle (as > I understand it). The Plymouth uses the Plymounth > shell already on the market, with a new S gauge > chassis. The Porter is new. > > As I understand it, the sets come ready to run with > train, track, lock-on, and transformer. > Unfortunately, the track includes the wide radius > curves, as K-Line has not yet produced the 19 inch AF > radius curved track. > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34623	From: trainman634	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Trouble - Free Switches

Which switches, American Models or SHS are the most trouble free switches? Which switches work the best with all makes of engines?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34624	From: NASG Library	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: The rest of the NASG Pullmans are here!!

All -- I am pleased to report that all the NASG Pullmans have been received from American Models. We have already boxed and shipped those orders that included grey cars along with red, green, and/or CNR cars. For those who ordered grey cars only, these will be shipped this week. I want to thank everyone who participated in this NASG project with an order. You have all made this project a success. For those who have not purchased any of these cars, or -- perish the thought! -- are not yet NASG members (you'll need to spend $20 to join, then we can sell you cars), we still have some Tuscan Red, CNR, and two-tone grey cars available. These are packed with dry transfers for car names, scale couplers and wheelsets to replace the as-delivered hirail wheelsets and AF-compatible couplers, pick-up wipers for lighting the cars, and an instruction sheet that shows how to reduce the minimum radius and lists which railroads used which of the car names in the lettering set. Cars are $65 each, plus $5 shipping for the first car and $2 for each additional car. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34625	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: K-Line comments

I had the K-Line Pacific in it's original 027 version when it came out some years back. Mechanically it was a piece of junk...not even as good as the old Marx drive! I got my money back. There is no question the Marx stuff is O gauge, it's much bigger than American Flyer. Despite these "problems" I'm enthusiastic about K-Line expanding into S gauge. With the bar being raised quite a bit from when I bought the Pacific, I would imagine the quality has improved. The size difference will bother the S scale guys, but the toy folks won't care. It's good to have new choices. The Plymouth is undersize in O scale, so it might be just right for S, and it's die cast. I really like the Porter, although it looks exactly like my Bachmann On30 Porter! On30 and S are about the same size, maybe they put S wheels on it! I can't wait to see this stuff for real. Stumpy Stone...gimme' more trains...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34626	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

887 SP 86' auto parts car 8-04, UP repaint http://mopac1.tripod.com/887.gif 888 MP 86' auto parts car 11-04, UP repaint http://mopac1.tripod.com/888.gif 889 UP 86' auto parts car 11-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/889.gif 890 SSW 86' auto parts car 9-04, UP repaint http://mopac1.tripod.com/890.gif 891 CNW 86' auto parts car 2-05, UP repaint http://mopac1.tripod.com/891.gif 892 WP 86' auto parts car 2-05, UP repaint http://mopac1.tripod.com/892.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34627	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Sets

Steven Allen wrote in part: >Add to that, Porters and Plymouth switch >engines at $109.95, and steamers at $149.95, to go along with $19.95 >for rolling stock... > Notice that the prices of rolling stock are drifting upwards. The new freight cars are all either $22.95 or $27.95...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34628	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/22/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets

Well the if the K-line stuff is oversized, it at least will better match the size of American Flyer accessories... Just a thought. keefer1 wrote: >Well after taking my kline 0-27 loc out of the box,and >putting it side by side with a flyer hudson,let's hope >k-line didnt just narrow the drivers.If the did >that,although it may still be a decent loc,it will >dwarf the gilbert stuff. I guess that would make it >look good with their oversize freight cars. Keith > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34629	From: Hannon	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Bellows Material - Great Idea!

> Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:22:37 -0000 > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > Subject: Re: Repairing SIT bellows > Dear Phil: > Another idea without having to sneak into JoAnne's Fabrics. LOL No sneaking about it. A loose fitting brown paper bag with eye-slits gets me in the door incognito. Once in, I adopt a macho, manly, purposeful strut all the way to the cutting table. I look the lady straight in the eye and declare 'soto voce' ("soto" enough to be heard all the way out to the parking lot): !!! My WIFE wants a yard of this ... stuff !!! > > I've used material cut from an old black umbrella, and the bellows > units are still pumping copious volumes of air. > What a fantastic idea! Flexible and even more air-tight than ordinary linen! Personally, I can't wait to try it. But I have two questions: 1. Did your wife ever find out that YOU were the one who destroyed her umbrella? And, more importantly, 2. Did you do your own sewing? Looking forward to hearing your answer, I am, Sincerely Yours, Paul Yorke (Previously: "Anonymous" using Bob Hannon's (e-mail account).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34630	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Bellows Material - Great Idea!

> But I have two questions: > > 1. Did your wife ever find out that YOU were the one who > destroyed her umbrella? And, more importantly, > > 2. Did you do your own sewing? > It was my umbrella, one of those BIG golf umbrellas that isn't supposed to break in a major wind, but did. What I have left over will fix maybe 200 SIT units, I'd guess. So I'm ready for that. And actually, I have done some sewing -- but only in an emergency, in a hotel room using one of those little kits they sometimes provide. They don't sew buttons on like they usta. Phil K > Looking forward to hearing your answer, I am, > > Sincerely Yours, > > Paul Yorke > (Previously: "Anonymous" using Bob Hannon's > (e-mail account).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34631	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question

I sent my engines back to the BIG L. B4 I did , they suggested checking to see if the lining up from the tender to engine was proper. One engine the chuff was fine the other stunk( didn't function properly). I even switched tenders. Both engines were sent back. One had loose linkages on one side, the other both. One the blue wire's fell off the switch in the tender, the other one was fine. Word to the wise.........buy a newer power source and not the old flyer transformers. Should use 135 watts and TMCC for best operation. The smoke units need volts and watts, just don't over power them. Ron Inscho <ronnat@...> wrote: That is the same problem I have had with mine, The first 2 had this problem right out of the box , & the other one gave out after about 6 hrs. of running , sent them all back to Lionel 6 weeks ago & no word on them yet. battery life with a new battery was only about 3 hrs ??? So far not too happy > > > > Y'all...We have a good customer at the hobby shop I work part time at > who has a problem with the sound on the Flyonel Mikado. The engine > will run fine most of the time but every once in a while it > will "miss a beat" while chuffing along. > Sounds like; chuff, chuff, chuff, , chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff, > chuff, , chuff, chuff. It's not regular, but intermitant. > Track and wheel cleaning have made no difference, so it's coming back > to us next week. > Has anyone else had this problem? If so, what was the fix? Loose > wire or plug on circuit board? Bad board? > Stumpy Stone...enquiring minds want to know...in Martins Ferry, OH. > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34632	From: n n	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: (no subject)

A month or so ago I requested any opinions regarding the two new Steam Engines (Lionel/Flyerand SHS)...feedback was good except of course we had no product to evaluate! Well I did order the Lionel/Flyer NYC and it is nothing short of awesome! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34633	From: n n	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Logo's

I have a American Models Tank Car (undecorated) and would like to print out (off of my color laser printer) a company logo and "stick" it on the car...any suggestions? Should I use clear labels? IF so where do I get them...can someone paint it on? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34634	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado question

I run my Mikado B&O set with all cars nearly every day, on an 18B transformer on pikemaster radius track. It never derails, no sound problems, seems very tolerant of dirty track and running over switches. I have already ordered a Southern to add to the fleet. Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org Free Albums for S Gauge Photos Available! Send requests to chuck@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34635	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: Well after taking my kline 0-27 loc out of the box,and putting it side by side with a flyer hudson,let's hope k-line didnt just narrow the drivers.If the did that,although it may still be a decent loc,it will dwarf the gilbert stuff. I guess that would make it look good with their oversize freight cars. Keith _______________________________________________________ From the pictures, it did look a little bit oversized in proportion to the wheels. I looked on ebay and found some of the 0-27 models in the NYC and B&O (same schemes), and it looks like it is huge compared to the American Flyer. What was its prototype anyway?! Regarding the Plymouth switcher, the wheels on it are too far forward and do not line up with the axel on the sides of the body. The porter looks too tiny to believe it could really pull anything. Someone stated that it was made for narrow gauge in O. If the prototype was for narrow gauge, then it really does not belong on standard gauge. Do not believe the hype. It is major flaws with these locos and rolling stock, not rivet counting!! Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34636	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer F9 Twin A units

Wanted history of this item? Are these true to scale units? when did they come out and what RR Lines did they come in? I am learning the S gauge history and came across these and want to know more about them? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34637	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer F9 Twin A units

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: Wanted history of this item? Are these true to scale units? when did they come out and what RR Lines did they come in? I am learning the S gauge history and came across these and want to know more about them? _________________________________________ The AF F-9 was too small and short. The F-9 was similar to the F-7. The F-9 had 250 h.p. more than the F-7. There were considerably fewer F-9 locos than F-7 locos. Showcaseline has made F-7 and F-3 locos. American Models made the FP-7. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34638	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Pikemaster Couplers

I understand from the history in the TM Guide that Pikemaster Couplers were introduced in 1961. Did all engines and cars made in the 1960s have Pikemaster ? Nothing in the book indicates which kind of coupler an engine or car had. I have heard that the Pikemasters work with knuckle couplers, but do they really in practice? Do the 1950s uncouplers work with them? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34639	From: trainman634	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: American Flyer Ebay Item

There is a American Flyer track item listed on Ebay. It is listed as American Flyer Track Accessory and it is #5958924541. I never saw anything like it. Can someone tell me what it was, what it was used for and what was the part number?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34640	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Ebay Item

I believe, from the picture, it is the section of track used to activate vehicle "dump" cars like the 915s. I'm at the office and my parts books are at home, so someone else can chime in on the part number. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5958924541 Phil K **************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes6464@n...> wrote: > > > There is a American Flyer track item listed on Ebay. It is listed as > American Flyer Track Accessory and it is #5958924541. I never saw > anything like it. Can someone tell me what it was, what it was used > for and what was the part number?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34641	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Ebay Item

It is for activating older action cars, such as the 716 coal dump car that had two contact points on the bottom of the car, instead of the side tab that was used later. --- trainman634 <wes6464@...> wrote: > > > > There is a American Flyer track item listed on Ebay. It is listed as > American Flyer Track Accessory and it is #5958924541. I never saw > anything like it. Can someone tell me what it was, what it was used > for and what was the part number? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34642	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Can Motor Spring Special

Hi everybody, SnS Trains is offering a Spring special on our can motor and Dallee electronic E-unit combo. Bought individually they retail for $78.90. Any combo bought in the month of March will be $65 plus $4 priority mail shipping. That includes either of the worm gear ratios. They are available in standard Flyer gearing of appx. 16:1 and our lower geared 30:1. Since the Gilbert drum reverse unit is one of the major problems with older locos, this is a great time to "modernize." Installation is quick, easy, and reversible. This will run for the month of March only. Orders must be received before April 1. Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34643	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)

My opinion is that K-Line should be applauded for its new efforts in "affordable" S gauge. I also think we should reserve all value judgments (all hearsay for now) regarding the performance of their new locomotives until they are shipped and someone can test them on a layout and not base opinions on single pictures in a catalog. To compare them to what is currently being made in high-end S is ridiculous. I think it is highly laudable they're going for the heretofore totally-ignored segment of the S market, YOUNG KIDS. Which for my money is great. Whatever the locos are, no one is being forced to buy them. I think this movement can only help the hobby. It will, in the long term, help companies like Flyonel, S-Helper Service and American Models -- because kids starting in S with K-Line sets will someday graduate to more detailed -- and expensive -- trains to run on the same gauge track. What is it? 99 percent of kids who get started in Lionel stay with Lionel for the rest of their lives? I think the same will happen here. We complain that no one is making affordable starter sets for young kids, then when someone finally does, they get flamed here. Remember the gloomy posts from "experts" here saying Lionel would never issue any more Mikes? The very next day, Flyonel announced the issue of two more for later this year. So I'll just be waiting for the K-Line locos to be shipped. Phil K ******************************************************************* > Regarding the Plymouth switcher, > the wheels on it are too far forward and do not line up > with the axel on the sides of the body. > > The porter looks too tiny to believe it could really > pull anything. Someone stated that it was made for > narrow gauge in O. If the prototype was for narrow > gauge, then it really does not belong on standard > gauge. > > Do not believe the hype. It is major flaws with > these locos and rolling stock, not rivet counting!! > > Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34644	From: G Nichol	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Looking for item

Hi all! I'm on the search for a 584 Bell Danger Signal. I know they're not the easiest accessory to find but maybe someone has a carton of 10 or so? Any leads are appreciated too. Thanks! Greg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34645	From: beebear	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)

Phil Speaking for myself, I don't think the less expensive K-Line stuff will be appealing to just kids. I myself am interested in the new AF stuff at the lower prices. I don't really want to shell out $600 - $800 for an engine with all kinds of sound effects only to have it not work after a short run time. As a matter of fact, if the new stuff runs better I may sell off all my old flyer collection and purchase the new stuff. I want to run it and enjoy it, not let it sit on a shelf and collect dust. With my garage nearing completion...... the excitement is building!! John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34646	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Logo's

Have you considered printing on decal paper, over coating with clear and applying the decal directly to the car? Don n n wrote: >I have a American Models Tank Car (undecorated) and would like to print out (off of my color laser printer) a company logo and "stick" it on the car...any suggestions? Should I use clear labels? IF so where do I get them...can someone paint it on? > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34647	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Couplers

> I have heard that the Pikemasters work with knuckle couplers, but do they really in practice? Do the 1950s uncouplers work with them?< Robert -- Pikemaster couplers appeared during the time period when kids playing with toy train sets began its downturn due to TV, auto racing sets, etc. in the latter 1950s and early 1960s. My reference materials are at home, and I'm pretending to work at the office right now. LOL So during that time A.C. Gilbert -- and Lionel and Marx, et al -- made an effort to create cheapo train sets priced low enough so that the newly-emerging phenomena known as "discount stores" like E.J. Korvette, KMart and Toys-R-Us would stock them. Sets came in boxes with the cars, etc., in either cutouts or in cardboard trays to save the expense of packing them in individual boxes. This went on from 1960-1966, to the demise of the A.C. Gilbert Co. As an aside, Gilbert had a very bright idea with its All Aboard sets -- where you could buy a completely scenicked layout with track -- but it came too late to save the company. Cheap plastic Casey Jones and F9 locomotives and Pikemaster couplers were part of this general re-inventing, although for a few years Gilbert still issued a few diecast metal locomotives with operating knuckle couplers using existing dies from the mid-to-late 1950s. Gilbert also made for about four years a dummy knuckle coupler. They also still made a very few pieces with operating knuckles -- for example, the last of the great Northerns was the 21140, offered only in 1960. Very few were made, ergo the high selling value today ($1200 to $3800 depending on condition. Whew!). Pikemaster couplers were cheap, just like the cars they were installed on -- molded in one piece, with no additional parts. They had to be coupled by manually lifting one coupler onto another. They can be run with operating knuckle couplers. I don't have an uncoupler on my layout, but I believe the PM couplers will not work with uncouplers because they don't have the release bar. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34648	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > My opinion is that K-Line should be applauded for its new efforts > in "affordable" S gauge. > > I also think we should reserve all value judgments (all hearsay for > now) regarding the performance of their new locomotives until they > are shipped and someone can test them on a layout and not base > opinions on single pictures in a catalog. To compare them to what is > currently being made in high-end S is ridiculous. > > I think it is highly laudable they're going for the heretofore > totally-ignored segment of the S market, YOUNG KIDS. Which for my > money is great. Whatever the locos are, no one is being forced to > buy them. > > I think this movement can only help the hobby. It will, in the long > term, help companies like Flyonel, S-Helper Service and American > Models -- because kids starting in S with K-Line sets will someday > graduate to more detailed -- and expensive -- trains to run on the > same gauge track. What is it? 99 percent of kids who get started in > Lionel stay with Lionel for the rest of their lives? I think the > same will happen here. > > We complain that no one is making affordable starter sets for young > kids, then when someone finally does, they get flamed here. > > Remember the gloomy posts from "experts" here saying Lionel > would never issue any more Mikes? The very next day, Flyonel > announced the issue of two more for later this year. > > So I'll just be waiting for the K-Line locos to be shipped. > > Phil K > > I agree. Let's reserve judgment until we see these new products in person and in operation. These engines may not be scale models or even based on any specific prototype, but at $150 you can't beat the price. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34649	From: gchidester@mail.manti.com	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Ebay Item

I would agree with almost everything that has been said about pikemaster couplers with the exception that they have to be lifted onto knuckle couplers. They were made to seperate to couple with the knuckle couplers and they do that after a fashion. Everything has to line up perfectly and it takes some force, but it's all part of the problems of the pikemasters. They don't do it well however and most of the pikemaster couplers that I have seen have been spread too far and have broken the little latches they have in the arm of the coupler. There was a special uncoupler that was made for the pikemaster couplers and it was in a special section of pikemaster track. It didn't work well either. There are a few pikemaster cars that are fun, collectible and/or desireable. For some. I have a friend that looks down on pikemaster as someone looks at their shoe after encountering a piece of gum. To each his own. My original set was all pikemaster, The Mohawk, but I love it and will still enjoy running it for years to come. My .02! gary > > > > There is a American Flyer track item listed on Ebay. It is listed as > American Flyer Track Accessory and it is #5958924541. I never saw > anything like it. Can someone tell me what it was, what it was used > for and what was the part number? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34650	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: My opinion is that K-Line should be applauded for its new efforts in "affordable" S gauge. ROBBY: But it is not S gauge that they are making, but 0-27 conversions. There is a big difference. PHIL: I also think we should reserve all value judgments (all hearsay for now) regarding the performance of their new locomotives until they are shipped and someone can test them on a layout and not base opinions on single pictures in a catalog. To compare them to what is currently being made in high-end S is ridiculous. ROBBY: The catalog pictures mean something. Maybe you believe that Lionel is producing a full size, highly detailed, SD-9?! PHIL: I think it is highly laudable they're going for the heretofore totally-ignored segment of the S market, YOUNG KIDS. Which for my money is great. Whatever the locos are, no one is being forced to buy them. ROBBY: I think that people should be able to make informed decisions, and I am providing information. That information may cause people not to buy them, so be it, but I am not forcing people not to buy it! These trains are pretty expensive to throw around with young kids, so the kids argument is just a cover for this junk. There is a certain age with which kids should play with electric trains. PHIL: I think this movement can only help the hobby. It will, in the long term, help companies like Flyonel, S-Helper Service and American Models -- because kids starting in S with K-Line sets will someday graduate to more detailed -- and expensive -- trains to run on the same gauge track. What is it? 99 percent of kids who get started in Lionel stay with Lionel for the rest of their lives? I think the same will happen here. We complain that no one is making affordable starter sets for young kids, then when someone finally does, they get flamed here. ROBBY: When I was a kid, I wanted quality trains. We had 0-27 and I was critical of it to my parents. I noticed uncut doors on engines and different sized boxcars and locomotives that were not proportional to each other, and three rail track. My parents were surprised that I could notice that things were out of scale. K-Line is just another O gauge company trying to make a buck; but they have yet to make anything that is truly S, other than the trucks underneath the cars. But nobody can be critical of K-Line? Since when did K-Line become the God of S gauge or model trains?! PHIL: Remember the gloomy posts from "experts" here saying Lionel would never issue any more Mikes? The very next day, Flyonel announced the issue of two more for later this year. ROBBY: I never said never, I said that they may not or may not be able to because of their bankruptcy situation. Lionel got a big loan to continue. PHIL: So I'll just be waiting for the K-Line locos to be shipped. ROBBY: I suggest that everyone see it before they order it, and compare it to American Flyer and American Models.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34651	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)

I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD RECALL THAT A.C. DID THE SAME THING WHEN HE WENT FROM 'O' TO 'S' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34652	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS)

While AC was in O he was already making his stuff in pretty accurate 3/16" (S) scale, which he called I think tru-scale. As far as I can tell the only non scale part of his 3/16 locos was a wider steam chest to fit the wider driver spacing. Chuck Smith: ----- Original Message ----- From: <FEZANDPAZ@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: k-line sets (MAJOR FLAWS) > > > I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD RECALL THAT A.C. DID THE SAME THING WHEN HE WENT FROM > 'O' TO 'S' > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34653	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Couplers

I routinely couple pikemaster and regular AF knuckle couplers together. No big deal. However, I rarely remotely uncouple cars and don't know if there is a really good way to uncouple that combo. The remote uncoupling and especially coupling of Flyer stuff has never impressed me that much. Some cars take so much force to couple you have to ram them together and can cause a derailment. If you're on a curve forget it. Guess that's why I'm partial to passenger trains- I run them in and out of my terminal and never break them up. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pikemaster Couplers > > > I understand from the history in the TM Guide that Pikemaster Couplers were introduced in 1961. Did all engines and cars made in the 1960s have Pikemaster ? Nothing in the book indicates which kind of coupler an engine or car had. > > I have heard that the Pikemasters work with knuckle couplers, but do they really in practice? Do the 1950s uncouplers work with them? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34654	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: THE ROYAL BLUE (in scale)

It was stated in an S gauge train book that The Royal Blue was a little bigger than it was supposed to be, and it was the author's favorite and on the cover of the book. The Royal Blue looks fine to me. I looked at the few prototype photos of it and The Royal Blue was a big loco. A. C. Gilbert did an excellent job on this loco, and it is a classic loco for S. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34655	From: John Foley	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: NASG Heavyweight Passenger cars

Hi Folks I'll have some of the AM/NASG Heaveyweight passenger cars for sale at the Allentown, Pa Spring Thaw train show this weekend. I'll have in stock Tuscan 10-1-2's, Candain National 10-1-2's & 12-1's. And two-tone gray 10-1-2's & 12-1's. So save on shipping and buy them there. To see what roads used which and other info go to, http://www.nasg.org/hwpullmans.html Thanks John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34656	From: Phil K	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: Gilbert 3/16-inch scale comparisons

This is an interesting topic. A.C. Gilbert Co. began making diecast steam locomotives in around 1939, and they were pretty accurate to 3/16" scale. They were sold under the "Tru-Model" name. They ran on the same three-rail track as competitor Lionel, but were 1:64 scale compared to Lionel's 1:43. They were accurate to 3/16" in both height and length (where Lionel fell short, IMHO), but were wider than 3/16" scale to accomodate the 1-1/4" three-rail O track. After WWII, Gilbert decided it needed to be vastly different than the Big L and designed more realistic two-rail track spaced 7/8" between the rails. They used the same steam locomotive dies as the pre-war Tru-Model steamers, except as has already been pointed out, the steam chests -- cast in those days as a separate piece and screwed to the boiler -- were narrowed a bit. A quick guess would be they were reduced from about 13 scale feet wide to about 9-10 feet. Of course, Gilbert also had to retool to make the chassis to fit its new track size. I grabbed a camera and for comparison's sake set up a 1940 Gilbert NYC 531 Hudson next to a shelf-dusty 1949 314AW Pacific (too lazy to unpack a postwar 4-6-4 right now). The photos may be found by clicking on the following link: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup23 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34657	From: trainspeak	Date: 2/23/2005
Subject: 26726 box of 24 half straight roadbed sections

Hi! I have posted photos of a box of 24 straight sections of roadbed I received a few month ago. The sections are black half straight from 1958 (as the stamp is DEH). The item number in the book is 26726. Has anyone else seen or have a similar box with this stamp? I have asked some of the "bigger dealers" and most weren't aware that AF made half sections. Thanks! Greg Nick www.NicksTrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34658	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Gilbert 3/16-inch scale comparisons

As Chuck Smith mentioned, the only width anomaly in prewar AF 3/16 inch scale locos was the steam chest width, which was corrected when the locos were offered in S gauge. The discrepancy in reverse gear rod attach points on the boiler shells was dealt with by putting a double bend in the 0 gauge valve gear rods, allowing the boiler shells to be made correct for S as to that issue. The boiler shell castings are all the correct 10 S scale foot width, and always have been. The Royal Blue loco, having a one-piece shell still retains its prewar width error at the steam chest, and ONLY the steam chest. I've sometimes thought that it would be an interesting project to take a Royal Blue shell and cut out the extra width at the cylinder covers, and make a scale width loco. All I'd hafta do is get another RB loco, and first finish the other two dozen projects already in the works! :^) BTW, don't believe all that you read in collector books, especially where they deal with AF scale issues. Several errors have been almost institutionalized by such publications, which could have been avoided by the author wielding a simple ruler. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34659	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert 3/16-inch scale comparisons

Dear Phil, To me you have hit the nail on the head. What AC Gilbert did to American Flyer Trains in 1946 was truly unique. For their time, his trains were scale models designed from prototype drawings that ran on two rail track and were intended for children. He did not just make a hudson, he made a NYC J3a Hudson. It was not just a Pacific, but a PRR K5 Pacific. And if you compare these to the drawings or photographs of the prototype, he was a rivet counter to boot. To me this is the difference on why my mom purchased American Flyer trains for me and not the non-scale, three rail running 027. It is so much more than they run on 2 rail track. It is for this reason that I applaud Lionel's recent USRA light 2-8-2 as it was made closer to in the sprit of AC Gilbert. I believe their project will help get new people interested and move our scale forward . The Lionel's Horse Car on S trucks did not. I do not believe 027 equipment on S gauge trucks even if the cost was a dollar helps us attract new enthusiasts to our scale. Don Phil K wrote: >This is an interesting topic. A.C. Gilbert Co. began making diecast >steam locomotives in around 1939, and they were pretty accurate to >3/16" scale. They were sold under the "Tru-Model" name. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34660	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: K-Line Discussion

I have been watching the K-Line discussion with considerable interest. It is amazing how much producing inexpensive starter sets for young kids can arouse passions of collectors and scalers. I wonder if the AC Gilbert company was similarly attacked when it introduced Pikemaster, the F-9, and the Casey Jones loco. I love the S-Helper Service stuff and continue to buy it and run it myself. It is a high quality product at a reasonable price for the quality, detail, and scale. However, I am unable to sell their sets as starter sets for youngsters. Parent see the cost and breakage potential as definite negatives. American Models continues to not produce complete starter sets, or even a catalog of items. That is why I have put together and have been selling starter sets made up of Casey Jones, 21085 and similar locos, and 300 or similar locos and selling for $79, $99, and $129 complete with 3-4 K-Line new in box cars, track, transformer, lock-on, and uncoupler (in mid and upper priced sets). I am also amazed at the criticism of taking 3/16 inch cars made originally for O27 (yes, Virginia, these were 3/16 or S gauge bodied cars) and making them available with S-gauge chassis and trucks--and selling them at a reasonable price. Heck, many S gaugers perviously converted some of these same car bodies to S gauge on their own (an AF boxcar chassis fit right into one of the Marx 3/16 inch boxcars). They have as much detail as the overpriced and re-hashed Flyonel cars. My first set was a Marx Union Pacific M-2000. I coveted my older neighbor's realistic looking American Flyer and, when they moved to HO, was fortunate that my father purchased it for me as a Christmas present. However, too many people start with 3-rail and never get rid of that training rail when they grow up. These new K-Line starter sets will introduce a whole new generation to the joys of S gauge, and eventually to S scale. I applaud K-Line for taking this step. Of course, they would not have done this were it not for the fact that their S-gauge offerings have been selling extremely well. Somebody out there is buying them and, I am sure, most of these buyers are running them rather than setting them on shelves. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34661	From: knockbill	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: ACG 3/16 engines

Hi I believe the first ACG engine to be made in 3/16, (height, length & width), was a 290.... If they are compared to any engines that were used as O scale(pre war), they look less bulky then the K5s, Hudsons, RB, or Atlantics. as they are coming towards you.....I thought about converting some of my old 999 Marx engines to flyer motors, but they are way to wide to look right, but, other than the steam chests, they seem simalar in proportion to AFG Atlantics...... Seems as if K-line is just making toy trains to run on S track, not really scale stuff...But whats wrong with that? Its not really compitition with the scale companies, just another choice in S ... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34662	From: Bruce	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: K-Line steam

Is there a basis in reality for the wild looking Santa Fe scheme on the K-Line Pacific? - Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34663	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Trip Your Trigger

Good morning: I've been following the discussion of K-Line and the various reactions to it with interest. Though I've just gotten back into S-gauge, like many of you, through the refurbishing of my old 290 set from - a few years ago - I have collected, repaired and restored old clocks for nearly 40 years now. My wife and I have been married 41 years now, and it was about a year after the wedding that I bought my first clock, so I that helps me remember that piece of trivia.... The point is, over the 40 years of collecting clocks, my preferences in what I collect have changed - perhaps even refined, but just about all old clocks will be seen worthy of owning by someone, and that's the way it should be. As with clocks, so it is with our s-gauge trains. There's room enough in our group of collectors, operators and beginners; large layouts/small layouts/miniature layouts for EVERYONE to receive pleasure from owning what we have. It's whatever trips your trigger. I applaud the enthusiasm many of you have in expressing the depths of what makes s-gauging meaningful to you. Isn't is great that we have these choices! Now, I wouldn't give a nickel for an O gauge, but I found out a few weeks ago that one of the accessories I had (and still have) on my starter set many moons ago, is actually a LIONEL piece. (Gasp) I'll still use it, for sentimental reasons - our children will remember it as I got it all going for them almost 30 years ago - but I'll be careful to place it in an area that the scale imperfection won't be real noticeable - certainly not to our 7 and 4 year old granddaughters. They will see grandpa's new, and greatly expanded I might add, layout for the first time tomorrow when they are coming for a visit. I can't wait to see the look on their faces!! Now, I need to get the honey-do list done so I can get back to the layout and finish hooking up all the accessories I've added - for the grandkids, of course.... Have a tooting time, friends Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34664	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam

In a message dated 02/24/2005 10:55:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, willisbd@... writes: Is there a basis in reality for the wild looking Santa Fe scheme on the K-Line Pacific? - Bruce Willis A good reality to me would be it's ability to attract youngsters to it. What an opportunity this is for S-Gauge to get new young blood with these inexpensive and probably durable sets. I'll buy SHS for the detail and smooth operation, but Kids don't need all the fine detail that they will surely break off in no time at all. Alas, my 2 year old Granddaughter came walking into the living room the other day with one of my SW-9s in her hand saying "here your choo-choo- grandpa." I lost a couple of handrails in that episode. Let's look at these K-Line sets/cars/locos for what they are. Sometime I think some people would complain if they were taken down from a gallows and given the governor's job. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34665	From: trainnut2us	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Llionel Mikado

This is where I bought mine, on line and the price beat Ebay!!It was delivered in three days with no extra charge for shipping. http://www.nstrains.com/store/customer/home.php?cat=158 Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34666	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <willisbd@y...> wrote: Is there a basis in reality for the wild looking Santa Fe scheme on the K-Line Pacific? - Bruce Willis I doubt that it is reality based. K-Line made black Santa Fe passenger cars and black and red warbonnet locos (called "blackbonnet" and "midnight chief"), but these were made up. The diesels and passenger cars are in the 2004 K-Line catalog. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34667	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Trip Your Trigger

****((((( There's room enough in our group of collectors, operators and beginners; large layouts/small layouts/miniature layouts for EVERYONE to receive pleasure from owning what we have. It's whatever trips your trigger. I applaud the enthusiasm many of you have in expressing the depths of what makes s-gauging meaningful to you. Isn't is great that we have these choices!))))***** Well put Stephen!!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34668	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Discussion

HAVE to agree with Joe. Looking at some cheap MARX & Flyer now to make into "affordable" sets for kids. Not all S, but, may get us a believer or two. WE have to further the hobby, each and every one of us. By the way, expect several TCA "Kids Club" members to help clean S gauge display at NTTM next weekend. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34669	From: Bruce Willis	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam

I wasn't complaining. I love Santa Fe and I just don't remember seeing anything like this. Personally, I think it's ugly. But if it appeals to kids, that's OK. It is definitly needed for the children's market. Choice is good. - Bruce Willis Boss31@... wrote: In a message dated 02/24/2005 10:55:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, willisbd@... writes: Is there a basis in reality for the wild looking Santa Fe scheme on the K-Line Pacific? - Bruce Willis A good reality to me would be it's ability to attract youngsters to it. What an opportunity this is for S-Gauge to get new young blood with these inexpensive and probably durable sets. I'll buy SHS for the detail and smooth operation, but Kids don't need all the fine detail that they will surely break off in no time at all. Alas, my 2 year old Granddaughter came walking into the living room the other day with one of my SW-9s in her hand saying "here your choo-choo- grandpa." I lost a couple of handrails in that episode. Let's look at these K-Line sets/cars/locos for what they are. Sometime I think some people would complain if they were taken down from a gallows and given the governor's job. Steve --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34670	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: NEW TRACK CLEANING BOXCAR

You may remember that SnS now offers a track cleaning mechanism in your boxcar, gondola or flatcar. I contacted Steve Blackburn boss31@... and he installed the mechanism in my old Gilbert Boxcar. The other day I went down to the train room and ran the "Track Cleaning Boxcar" around the layout pulled by my custom Reading GP7. Each time around the GP7 ran smoother and faster as the track became cleaner and more conductive. It is well worth the price to have Steve install one in your car. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34671	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Allentown Train Meet

Just to reinforce John Foley's comments several weeks ago, the Allentown Train Meet usually features a nice selection of S gauge goodies. I would highly recommend the area in the new addition, near the snack bar. Several dealers, including myself, with SHS, Flyer etc for sale. I'm cleaning out my bldg in anticipation of a move to larger quarters. AG HALL on the Fairgrounds, opens 9 AM Sturday and Sunday, admission charged. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34672	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Allentown Train Meet

For those of you in Eastern Pennsylvania the Allentown Spring Thaw is second only to TCA York so this is a must do event. The North Penn S Gaugers will be operating their modular layout using American Models Code 148 track. We will be running Hi-Rail AC & DC equipment as well as scale DCC. We hope to see many of you there. North Penn S Gaugers website at: http://npsg3.homestead.com/files/npsgi.htm You can also visit us as we operate at the East Coast Hobby Show on April 9 & 10 at the Fort Washington Expo Center and the NASG Convention in Altoona in July. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Allentown Train Meet > > > Just to reinforce John Foley's comments several weeks ago, the Allentown > Train Meet usually features a nice selection of S gauge goodies. I would highly > recommend the area in the new addition, near the snack bar. Several dealers, > including myself, with SHS, Flyer etc for sale. I'm cleaning out my bldg > in anticipation of a move to larger quarters. > > AG HALL on the Fairgrounds, opens 9 AM Sturday and Sunday, admission > charged. > > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34673	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Willis <willisbd@y...> wrote: I wasn't complaining. I love Santa Fe and I just don't remember seeing anything like this. Personally, I think it's ugly. But if it appeals to kids, that's OK. It is definitly needed for the children's market. Choice is good. - Bruce Willis You probably have seen the indian chief logo on the Santa Fe warbonnet diesels (Alco PA). That logo was made larger and made all red on the K-Line tender. I had never seen it on a tender before, and I just checked numberous photos and it was not there. Some of the paint schemes on the rolling stock (tank cars and oversized boxcar) are not correct/imaginary/doubtful. Of course kids will not know the difference, and many others may not care. K- Line and other O gauge companies make money off selling unauthentic paint schemes, even American Flyer had some! Sometimes it can be difficult to find out whether the paint scheme is phony or real! This really is a time consuming hobby! Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34674	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steam Sante Fe Logo

Robby re: Sante Fe Kline Logo on Steam Engine Robby, somewhere I found a picture of a prototype Sante Fe Steam Engine with that same logo on the tender, I am looking when found I will scan and send to you. Jerry M robbyking13 <robbyking@...> wrote: --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Willis wrote: I wasn't complaining. I love Santa Fe and I just don't remember seeing anything like this. Personally, I think it's ugly. But if it appeals to kids, that's OK. It is definitly needed for the children's market. Choice is good. - Bruce Willis You probably have seen the indian chief logo on the Santa Fe warbonnet diesels (Alco PA). That logo was made larger and made all red on the K-Line tender. I had never seen it on a tender before, and I just checked numberous photos and it was not there. Some of the paint schemes on the rolling stock (tank cars and oversized boxcar) are not correct/imaginary/doubtful. Of course kids will not know the difference, and many others may not care. K- Line and other O gauge companies make money off selling unauthentic paint schemes, even American Flyer had some! Sometimes it can be difficult to find out whether the paint scheme is phony or real! This really is a time consuming hobby! Robby S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34675	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: AM

OK! I need some advice and/or encouragement.... You know from my earlier message that the grandkids are coming tomorrow to see Grandpa (and Grandma...) and I wanted to have the train layout all hooked up and running. Yesterday I "gave up" on part of the layout as my new AM diesel would not negotiate the inner loops if it had both engines and the sound car running at the same time. Soooo - I reconfigured the layout last night and this morning I tested the results. The two engines and sound car negotiated everything just fine. But this evening when I backed up the engines to the passenger cars I got a great surprise and disappointment. The passenger cars just won't negotiate much of anything, even though my tightest curve is now well beyond the 19" recommended. Now, if I run the freight cars instead of the passenger cars, all is well, and my faithful 290 loves every part of the layout. It seems to me that the trucks on the passenger cars just won't swing our far enough to allow these super long cars to track properly. Unless I cut off the ladders the draw bars are not able to do what needs to be done. Q: Have any of you had similar problems and if so, how did you correct the situation? Q#2: I've read and reread the wiring directions for the sound box that goes with the AM system. I press the buttons and nothing happens. BUT, after I disconnected the wires and just run the engines - without any passenger cars, of course, - it gives an occasional clang, clang or that lovely, mournful diesel wail. What's the secret to wiring that white box so the sounds are available on command? I'll take your replies in the order received..... :) Havin' a tootin' time, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34676	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Couplers

"I have heard that the Pikemasters work with knuckle couplers, but do they really in practice? Do the 1950s uncouplers work with them?" Back in the early to mid '60s when I was wealthy ( I had my own paper route ), I saw an American Flyer box car in a hobby shop! Boy O boy! I had always wanted an extra box car to go with the one I had. I had flat cars, a tanker, hoppers and gons but only one box. I pulled out my hard earned cash and raced home on my two speed Schwin. Was I surprised when I opened the box and my new green Great Northern box car had a funny looking one piece coupler on it. Oh well, I thought as I put it on just behind my steam engine and highballed. Well those silly looking couplers just couldn't take the weight of a whole train. Just kept pulling apart. So my new box car ended up being coupled just in front of the caboose. I don't recall ever seeing another new Flyer car or engine again in that or any other store although I did see pike the Master track and a road crossing (rerailer). I bought that a month or so later. Even I with my great wealth had to save up for neat things like that (:>). Ernie Mennecke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34677	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Corgi PCC Street Cars and S Gauge operation

On the most recent S-Gaugian magazine there is a Kenosha PCC going over a bridge. My thoughts on this fine trolley is that it is closer to being S gauge than that of O gauge. i recently had Pa Heritage install a S gauge beetle in one and have it operating on my layout. It is super running with a DC motor installed. Your thoughts apprecited. jerry Matsick PS - for someone who converted from O 3 rail this past fall I have jumped into S with all three feeT (oope 2 feet)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34678	From: Phil K	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: K-Line sets (Future endeavors) from Jerry Matsick

This came misdirected into my email from Jerry Matsick: Hey Gang -- When K-Line entered the O gauge market, they entered with entry level engines and cars, however to my "delight" K-line entered into building Scale O Engines, steam and diesel and scale passenger and freight cars that rival Lionel, MTH, ATLAS or any other, so lets do as PHIL K says, hold off judgement until the product rolls down the track and who knows we may all like what they put out! I left O three rail model railroading after 40 plus years and wanted to enter the exciting world of S gauge/Scale and I am glad I did and I am looking forward to K-Lines, Flyonel, S-Helper (have my consolidation ordered) and American Models so as an S gauger the future is bright - bring on the trains! Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34679	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/24/2005
Subject: Disney Historical Train Site.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 34680	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Allentown Train Meet

Hello all, I will be in my usual spot at Allentown, tables EW-03 thru EW-09 on the east wall of the main building. Lots of new items are going to be for sale this time; 712 Special rail sections for action cars 713 Mailbag hooks Reproducers Electronic dual can motor E-units $22.50 each A big pile of new cast parts in H-O, S, and O (all Flyer of course) There are over 600 tables at this meet, and lots of "S" to be had. Don't miss this one. For more information about this show go to _www.allentowntrainmeet.com_ (http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com) and take a peek. See you all there, Fred Fred's Train Parts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34681	From: T Larson	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: JD

I did a double take at K-mart yesterday, they had a large assortment of John Deere equipment, vintage through modern, with better detail than in the past, and at HALF the typical price. Good opportunity to get those flat car loads you've been wanting. Do a bit of studying on the web first to ensure that you select the correct tractors for your era. -- Ted Larson http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusiness/issues/technology/security/6_steps_to_help_secure_your_brand_new_pc.mspx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34682	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2587 - K-Line sets

In a message dated 2/25/2005 8:23:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I have been watching the K-Line discussion with considerable interest. It is amazing how much producing inexpensive starter sets for young kids can arouse passions of collectors and scalers. I wonder if the AC Gilbert company was similarly attacked when it introduced Pikemaster, the F-9, and the Casey Jones loco. Yes, Gilbert was pilloried for the F-9s and the Casey Jones. I am old enough to remember and to have done some of the pillorying. These K-line toys fly in the face of the great Gilbert tradition of having a line of trains tough enough for play but still thoughtfully done as a recognizable scale model (or representation). Why bother with O gauge lite, when one can do real O gauge and have the large selection of trains that one can get from that gauge? This is S gauge on the real dirt cheap and an insult to the S gauge community. If K-line wants to do S gauge, then they should do it properly and not with some warmed-over off-scale Frankentrains. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34683	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: K-Line

K-line is taking another step into S. Personaly, I hope that the reception for their venture is warm. I branched out into other gages (mea culpa, mea culpa) because I like toy trains in general. I started with K-Line Classic rolling stock, and really liked the price and quality. They have it all over other manufacturers when it comes to billboard rolling stock. I have since purchased one set (the TCA Providence Convention New Haven freight set) and 4 engines: GG-1, Big Boy, Trainmaster, and EP-5. This company is on a learning curve, as each product year gets better and better. If the S evolves along the same way, we can expect great decoration, interesting engines, smoke "up the yinyang" and incredible pulling power. Even the lowly,Marx-derived New Haven engines pull 25 DIE CAST freight cars with no effort and at only 60% power from a 30B. Their customer service is the best in the industry. I have had some minor issues that were turned around in a few days, and only one issue that was of serious consequence-again, I had the engine back in less than a week. If the Pacifics look line a 293 wannabe, consider that the 293 was the "top of the bottom" line of Flyer steam. These are, as pointed out, great hooks for young operators-and we need young blood to keep S alive. I wish K-Line the best in their new S power line, and hope to see some awesome stuff from them in the future-New Haven streamlined Hudson, anybody? Or how about The Shoreliner as a set? - John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34684	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Rare ebay item!

From description... "This is an American Flyer grade crossing track. This also doubles as a rerailing track, and forces the wheels back onto the track if they come loose as the train goes over. You dont see these around any more." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5959719889

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34685	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Let's give K-Line a chance

One S gauger's humble opinions: Before we start hanging K-Line from the yardarm, let's give them a chance. Like they have done in O, the way I see it they are currently testing the "S waters" and if all goes well in S I would expect in the future they'd start allocating more dollars toward product research and development. Just like they did in O. The fact that they've continued to produce S rolling stock for nearly three years with increased offerings each year is a positive in that direction. It takes time, and I for one am willing to give them that time. There's no harm in that, and will cost me nothing. Personally, I find the K-Line trucks and wheelsets superior in performance to those being attached to current Flyonel rolling stock. This is because K-Line borrowed from a very successful wheelset designed and manufactured by S-Helper Service. Every product line goes through an evolution of sorts. I remember in the days when AM and SHS were still working together (1991?) they offered F units that were not much more detailed than Flyer PAs. And that evolved into the near-scale stuff they're producing today. So I see this latest K-Line development as a positive, another manufacturer making an effort to develop a brand new product line. What they are providing right now is a product that many people -- but not everyone -- have been crying for: affordable starter sets. It's just like the golf business. Discount stores sell affordable starter club sets, and most of the purchasers someday graduate to more expensive, top-of-the-line clubs if they enjoy the game. If I was a parent, I'd rather spend $250 on a train set to see if my kid was interested than $400. You can always upgrade later. As one member of the S gauge community, I'm not insulted at all by what K-Line is doing. From reading the posts here, many other S gaugers are also excited about this latest development. I don't feel that K-Line -- or anyone -- is bound to follow any Gilbert "tradition of having a line of trains tough enough for play but still thoughtfully done as a recognizable scale model (or representation)." I don't think the kids who will get these K-Line sets care about scale. These sets will fit the gap between Thomas the Tank engine and SHS/AM/Flyonel. I don't own any brass models, but I don't criticize scalers for their attention to detail, either. And they don't criticize me for running Gilbert Flyer on the same layout with SHS, AM and Flyonel. There are many scalers in my train club (CASG), and we peacefully co-exist thanks to our common interest in S gauge and desire to grow the hobby. It has been discussed ad infinitumm and ad nauseum on this board the high cost of design and tooling -- hundreds of thousands of dollars, we're constantly being told. Before making that expensive plunge, I see K-Line at least making an effort to see if there is some profitability for them in S. It is a much stronger and viable effort than made by Ertl a few years ago, when they produced an S set that ran on batteries. And let's not forget the extensive hyperbole and ballyhoo accorded in the late 1970s to a company named "Continental Flyer," which was supposed to be the answer to everyone's prayers for a major S manufacturer. Turned out to be a lead balloon. Let's not forget the Dark Days when no one was making significant S -- the choices we have today are as good or better than during A.C. Gilbert's Halcyon Days. So as one insignificant member of the jury -- the train-buying public -- I'll vote wih my dollars. I have four young nephews and each of them will probably get a K-Line starter set next Christmas. If they get started now in S rather than O, someday maybe they'll buy my trains (heh, heh). Respectfully, Phil K ******************************************************************* In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/25/2005 8:23:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > I have been watching the K-Line discussion with considerable interest. It is > amazing how much producing inexpensive starter sets for young kids can > arouse passions of collectors and scalers. I wonder if the AC Gilbert > company was similarly attacked when it introduced Pikemaster, the F-9, and the Casey > Jones > loco. > Yes, Gilbert was pilloried for the F-9s and the Casey Jones. I am old enough > to remember and to have done some of the pillorying. > > These K-line toys fly in the face of the great Gilbert tradition of having a > line of trains tough enough for play but still thoughtfully done as a > recognizable scale model (or representation). Why bother with O gauge lite, when one > can do real O gauge and have the large selection of trains that one can get > from that gauge? This is S gauge on the real dirt cheap and an insult to the S > gauge community. If K-line wants to do S gauge, then they should do it properly > and not with some warmed-over off-scale Frankentrains. > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34686	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: What is your reaction to the new K- Line steamers, yard engines and sets? o I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby o Don't like it at all o Would buy a Pacific steamer o Would buy a Porter o Would buy a Plymouth o Would buy a set for myself o Would buy a set for a kid as a gift To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34688	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Heavy Duty Equipment on Flat Cars

If you have not seen these, they are definite worth the look and purchase. They will look right at home with Flyonel, SHelper and Am Models trains. They are superbly done. Jerry Matsick S gauger by Choice!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34689	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Rare ebay item!

Dear Mark, I think these are being reproduced. I purchased on from Doug Peck in the fall. We had to check to be 100% sure that with our AF track adapters, they could be plugged into our S-Trax System. Don Mark Kiner wrote: >>From description... > >"This is an American Flyer grade crossing track. This also doubles as a >rerailing track, and forces the wheels back onto the track if they come >loose as the train goes over. You dont see these around any more." > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5959719889 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34690	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Corgi PCC Street Cars and S Gauge operation

Jerry, I have one Baltimore PCC and one Capital Transit PCC , both using DC with S gauge beetle motors. They run great on the old Flyer track, no problems and the kids love seeing them make the rounds on our club modular layout at shows. I set them up to play tag - one is just a little faster than the other - then I reserve them and play tag the other way. PHM does a great job. Eventually they will be used on my layout (to be built) in the villages on dedicated tracks. Welcome aboard - It's only an addiction! Greg Klein Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: On the most recent S-Gaugian magazine there is a Kenosha PCC going over a bridge. My thoughts on this fine trolley is that it is closer to being S gauge than that of O gauge. i recently had Pa Heritage install a S gauge beetle in one and have it operating on my layout. It is super running with a DC motor installed. Your thoughts apprecited. jerry Matsick PS - for someone who converted from O 3 rail this past fall I have jumped into S with all three feeT (oope 2 feet) S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34691	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Rare ebay item!

Don, If this is really intended to be used as a track crossing, versus just a re-railer, have yuo guys a S Helper considered making one for S-Trax as a nice grade crossing for you track system. Greg Klein Donald Thompson <don@...> wrote: Dear Mark, I think these are being reproduced. I purchased on from Doug Peck in the fall. We had to check to be 100% sure that with our AF track adapters, they could be plugged into our S-Trax System. Don Mark Kiner wrote: >>From description... > >"This is an American Flyer grade crossing track. This also doubles as a >rerailing track, and forces the wheels back onto the track if they come >loose as the train goes over. You dont see these around any more." > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5959719889 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34692	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Rare ebay item!

Greg and Don I use these with my Strax and they blend in pretty good, basically what ever texture your highway roadbed is I painted the rerailer and blends in great. Jerry M ps S trax is the best Trax! Gregory Klein <moviemadness2@...> wrote: Don, If this is really intended to be used as a track crossing, versus just a re-railer, have yuo guys a S Helper considered making one for S-Trax as a nice grade crossing for you track system. Greg Klein Donald Thompson wrote: Dear Mark, I think these are being reproduced. I purchased on from Doug Peck in the fall. We had to check to be 100% sure that with our AF track adapters, they could be plugged into our S-Trax System. Don Mark Kiner wrote: >>From description... > >"This is an American Flyer grade crossing track. This also doubles as a >rerailing track, and forces the wheels back onto the track if they come >loose as the train goes over. You dont see these around any more." > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5959719889 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34693	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: (no subject)

- GreetingS - For those asking questions regarding Pikemaster couplers, may I point out a significant difference between those and earlier A C Gilbert S-gauge couplers. Pikemaster couplers couple and uncouple by moving sideways. There is no uncoupling bar on the bottom. There is a portion of the hook side that extends down to be caught by the Pikemaster uncoupler in its raised position. This uncoupling surface is diamond-shaped so that pas- sage of the cars over it spreads the hook sections apart, achieving un- coupling. Mah goodness, since the uncoupler rises between the rails, it will uncouple (in theory) all the Flyer S-gauge couplers. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34694	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: (no subject)

- GreetingS - Yes, indeed, I applaud K-Line for bringing to the public new S-gauge toys. My criteria for applause is that the trains run well and continue to run well. It will be great for those families whose budget, when strained, will allow a $150 train purchase and for whom a $750 purchase is out of the question. My family was in the first category. Sixty or more years ago I was joyful at the prospects of getting a MarX streamlined 0-4-0 from the sales gondola at F. W. Woolworth. For those whose families were in the latter category, good for you. In both cases the trains were a cata- lyst for the imagination. May that continue. What our hobby does not need are trains or accessories that break down in the first year! It's great that some of our serious S-gauge suppliers see to the repairs themselves and work with the customers. Perhaps an attitude will be adopted that the toy designer must do all the repairs for the first year of new production. This is akin to requiring that the airplane designers ride on the first test flight, hee, hee. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34695	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: John Deere & Vehicles

(((((I did a double take at K-mart yesterday, they had a large assortment of John Deere equipment, vintage through modern, with better detail than in the past, and at HALF the typical price. Good opportunity to get those flat car loads you've been wanting. Do a bit of studying on the web first to ensure that you select the correct tractors for your era. ))))) I saw that too, just yesterday in K-Mart. I have seen some in Wal-Mart before. Also, I can't believe all of the 1/64th (or close) vehicles out there now!!! Hummers, big long limousines,.....although too new more me, they still look cool!! Jada, Maistro (SP?) and other companys are pumping out some neat cars. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34696	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

In a message dated 02/25/2005 1:23:04 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! I can't access the poll for some reason. I vote that it is great for S-Gauge (choice 1) Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34697	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Mikado update

OK Folks, this is for any of you that care. I received my "authorization" today to return my now defunct NYC Mikado to Lionel under warranty. Had about 6 hours of running time on it. I sent it Priority Mail at 3:30 Mountain time, 02/25/05 Let's see how long it takes for something good to happen. Lottery anyone? Put a buck in the pot and guess the return day. Follow up with how long it takes for it to go belly up again. It only took them 11 days to get the "authorization" letter to me. But it did have to travel all the way from Michigan to far off, remote (State Capitol) Idaho. Regards with cynicism Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34698	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado update

Steve I hope and pray you have good results with having your Mikado serviced. My Mikado after 8 weeks, same battery still operates smoothly and no problems, I love it and I am looking forward to the Flagship of S Gauge Railroading "S Helper service" to release their new Consolidation, I purchased a Western Maryland with the Fireball and can't wait. By the way, service at S Helper is fantastic as they stand behind their products. I appreciate that and wish you the same with Lionel. Jerry Matsick boss31@... wrote: OK Folks, this is for any of you that care. I received my "authorization" today to return my now defunct NYC Mikado to Lionel under warranty. Had about 6 hours of running time on it. I sent it Priority Mail at 3:30 Mountain time, 02/25/05 Let's see how long it takes for something good to happen. Lottery anyone? Put a buck in the pot and guess the return day. Follow up with how long it takes for it to go belly up again. It only took them 11 days to get the "authorization" letter to me. But it did have to travel all the way from Michigan to far off, remote (State Capitol) Idaho. Regards with cynicism Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34699	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 27, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34700	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: ATTACK OF THE GIANT LOBSTER CLAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it happened. There's been a serious coupler incident on the C+D System Mountain Division. A well-meaning group of "operatives" from a local science fiction movie club were guarding a piece of equipment moving over the C+D mainline. Their obvious concern about the safe delivery of this equipment is evident, as seen here: http://s-scale.org/albums/album13/7801GenGard1 Then the inevitable catastrophe occurred. One of the valiant heroes was assaulted by an evil knuckle coupler which, adding insult to injury, is mounted to a LITHOGRAPHED Marx caboose! Those with a strong stomach can see the situation here: http://s-scale.org/albums/album13/7804CuplrIncidnt1 The onlookers, who were well-armed, tried to blast the victim free, but their weapons had no effect on the curious substance of which the obstinate coupler is made. Eventually, the victim was extricated from the vicious device by ramming it with a link coupler mounted to a diecast metal flatcar. I'd post pix of that, but even a link to such a ghastly image would get me in trouble here, and for good reason. So, I'll just leave that to the reader's imagination. I can't say I wasn't warned. Several guys on the S Scale list tried to educate me about this kind of hazard, but I wouldn't listen. "Chuck, you need to get rid of those lobster claw couplers! They're dangerous! Subversive!! Out of scale!!!" But I refused to be educated. It is my fault, and my shame. Chuck F. :^D

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34701	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line sets

Well, well, well... interesting. I too wish that K-Line's forays into S had been more...um, accurate, and not warmed-over-sized Marx. ("Frankentrains" indeed! I like that!) Still, I can't help but be encouraged to see that a company which has 0 gauge as its bread and butter has seen S as a viable enough market to warrant a plunge, WITHOUT having every been involved in S before. I won't be buying any boxcars (probably), but those switchers do look interesting. Just hafta wait 'n see. But really, what I find most interesting here is the winds of change regarding attitudes toward product that is less than accurate, and/or re-hashed. Haven't we been through something similar? Think back... Remember when Lionel was busy churning out repainted Gilbert re-issues, and ONLY that? If we complained, Lionel's PR people (and several individuals here to whom I will refer as "the Flyonel Group") would tell us, "You can't have it perfect right away. Just support what's being offered now, and things will get better. We promise! Hey! If you don't buy this stuff, it means you don't care!" Many of the rest of us felt patronized and "insulted" by Lionel's paltry S efforts, and posted as much here. We maintained that buying Flyonel stuff as it was would only encourage Lionel to make more lame stuff. Competition from AM and SHS, etc. was what would rattle Lionel's comfortable cage. "Support S makers who really care about S!" we chanted. We were often criticised for being negative, cynical "Lionel bashers". FF to "now". What we have is a major 0 gauge company (K-Line, not Lionel) cranking out re-issued rolling stock that is less than accurate scale-wise or detail-wise, but is nevertheless intended as "S gauge". Again we have rooting and carping. Only this time, the coin has flipped. The shoe is on the other foot. It seems that there are some among the "Flyonel Group" who admonished us to "buy Flyonel now and hope for the best later" are the insulted, indignant, disgruntled ones, and many of us who were of the forget-Flyonel-forever-buy-AM/SHS persuasion are ready to empty their wallets for the Big K's revamped Marx. Interesting. Now, I was not of either of those camps, tho I was very close to the latter. I was of the forget-Flyonel-until-they-get-a-clue-but-buy-AM/SHS-so-they-WILL-get-a-clue camp. I thought that was the best policy at the time, toward Lionel. It seems to have worked. They's doing some major stuff, now. 'Course, the current situation is different in some ways other than polarity. K-Line demands much less money for their product than Flyonel. They also make S gauge TRACK (!) which Flyonel still doesn't. And, K-Line's trucks ARE much better than Flyonel's. All this weighs in the Big K's favor, so they got that going for them, which is nice. But I still can't get over the reciprocal nature of this development, vis-a-vis the situation a few years ago. Interesting. Uncanny. Provocative. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34702	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Gilbert Scale

Hi all, I have enjoyed all the enthusiasm generated by K-lines new offerings in "S". First of all, the majority of my layout is good OLD American Flyer with a sprinkling of NEW Flyonel, K-Lines and S-Helper. I laugh at the thought of seeing K-line toys flying in the face of the great Gilbert Tradition. Does anyone own a flyer 740 Handcar? The men are 1.6" tall. How about the 977 action caboose? The fat man stands .9" tall. You couldn't get the handcar man in the caboose without chopping off his head and shoulders. The current lot of Flyonel running stock still all have toy like, non-functional trucks and cost at least twice as much as the K-line equivalent. What are our choices for new steam engines in "S"? I've seen the Mikado up close and I wouldn't put it in my own hands no less those of my grandsons, not because it isn't wonderful but because it is costly and fragile. These new offerings by K-Line will hopefully fill a long-standing void in "S", NEW affordable engines and rolling stock which are not fragile or costly. The collectors may turn up their noses but most operators are overjoyed to have an opportunity to pass along our favorite hobby to our kids and grandkids with NEW affordable starter sets. The fact that Lionel, K-lines and MTH are all addressing the "S" market will only draw in more manufacturers and thus we all benefit with a wider range of products. It will be harder for Hobby Shops to ignore "S" as more manufacturers become involved and more products become available. I see no negative impact. If you don't like it don't buy it. Let the market place determine the success or failure of the product. New products will bring on new advertising money and the release of new products will fill the advertising and new release pages of model railroad magazines which have ignored us in the past. Personally, I will be buying a NEW Plymouth switcher from K-Lines and also a NEW docksider from Flyonel to push around my NEW, beautiful S-Helper cars. New is good! My opinion, Alex (innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34703	From: Phil K	Date: 2/25/2005
Subject: Re: K-line poll on S-Trains

Regarding the poll, although it isn't stated but seemed obvious to me at the time, please vote for only one of the first two questions. You can also vote for all/any/none of the others. If you have already voted, you still may add to or change any of your answers until the poll is closed. POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K-Line steamers, yard engines and sets? VOTE FOR ONE: o I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby o Don't like it at all VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: o Would buy a Pacific steamer o Would buy a Porter o Would buy a Plymouth o Would buy a set for myself o Would buy a set for a kid as a gift To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34704	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert Scale

Thank you Alex Sibbald - Yes, I went and took a good "Scale" look at all the original AC Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer - yes there are areas of gray concerning true scale as some have stated, In fact the men on the Flyer Hand Care look "normal" when going in the door of a Kline Caboose. Needless to say, the big man on the hand car looks great he looks like a A C Gilbert creation great, the Caboose released by K-Line loooks great behind my American Model Fm Trainmaster Reading Diesel. On and on I could go, but I am happy with all my S gauge items, by S Helper Service, American Model, American Flyer, Lionel S and yes K Line, now all we need is Mikie to release something in S and MTH will on line too. GREAT! The more the merrier. bring on more trains, '"More bait" to catch tired old 3 railers like I was, I am happy to be part of the S Gauge movement. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> wrote: Hi all, I have enjoyed all the enthusiasm generated by K-lines new offerings in "S". First of all, the majority of my layout is good OLD American Flyer with a sprinkling of NEW Flyonel, K-Lines and S-Helper. I laugh at the thought of seeing K-line toys flying in the face of the great Gilbert Tradition. Does anyone own a flyer 740 Handcar? The men are 1.6" tall. How about the 977 action caboose? The fat man stands .9" tall. You couldn't get the handcar man in the caboose without chopping off his head and shoulders. The current lot of Flyonel running stock still all have toy like, non-functional trucks and cost at least twice as much as the K-line equivalent. What are our choices for new steam engines in "S"? I've seen the Mikado up close and I wouldn't put it in my own hands no less those of my grandsons, not because it isn't wonderful but because it is costly and fragile. These new offerings by K-Line will hopefully fill a long-standing void in "S", NEW affordable engines and rolling stock which are not fragile or costly. The collectors may turn up their noses but most operators are overjoyed to have an opportunity to pass along our favorite hobby to our kids and grandkids with NEW affordable starter sets. The fact that Lionel, K-lines and MTH are all addressing the "S" market will only draw in more manufacturers and thus we all benefit with a wider range of products. It will be harder for Hobby Shops to ignore "S" as more manufacturers become involved and more products become available. I see no negative impact. If you don't like it don't buy it. Let the market place determine the success or failure of the product. New products will bring on new advertising money and the release of new products will fill the advertising and new release pages of model railroad magazines which have ignored us in the past. Personally, I will be buying a NEW Plymouth switcher from K-Lines and also a NEW docksider from Flyonel to push around my NEW, beautiful S-Helper cars. New is good! My opinion, Alex (innotron) S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34705	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588 - "New" K-Line

In a message dated 2/26/2005 8:17:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: These K-line toys fly in the face of the great Gilbert tradition of having a line of trains tough enough for play but still thoughtfully done as a recognizable scale model (or representation). To reiterate, no matter how desperate one is for something "new," there are certain things that are just beyond the pale. The K-Line set are warmed over cheap 0-27 trains from the 1950s and several steps backwards from my first set I received as a youngster -- a humble Gilbert 4901T. What is the point in going to the trouble to do "S," if one elects to purchase 4th rate "zero gauge?" Yes, Gilbert took a few liberties from time to time, but on the whole they built mid-century the most beautiful line of trains intended at that time for the amusement of kids of all all ages. It is now a half century later and such compromises (and that is a polite word for what I am really thinking), as offered by K-Line, are just not satisfactory. It is better to support manufacturers, who have, at least some of the time, our true interests at heart. I shall not encourage this kind of low ball effort, but do intend to give Nick Ladd, Mike Bragga, and Co. an even tempered constructive earful at K-Line booth at York in April. Crumbs from the table, ladies and gentlemen, crumbs. And, stale ones at that! Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34706	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588 - "New" K-Line - Correction

Correction: ..should read "Nick Ladd, Bob Grubba, and Co." ...... Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34707	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: 2 cents worth of banter

Hi Everyone. For years 3/16" trains have been run on O-Gauge tracks with O-gauge trucks underneath. It is my feeling that since 3/16 " to the foot is 1/64th scale that 1/64th scale trains have been run on the wrong track for a very long time. As I see it, K-line is just correcting the bad mistake made many years ago by Marx and whoever else never made the switch from 3 rail to 2 rail with these trains. I tell people all the time that three rail trains called O-27 are really S-Gauge wannabe,S. I think it's great to see so many passionate toy train people making their opinions known on this list. It also makes me smile a lot to see how upset people can become over toys. Personally, here is where I hope to make someone smile today, I think it is great that K-Line is finally correcting the mistake. S-Gauge is taking over the world!!!! Yeah Baby! Chris Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 1-877-TRAIN90 (1-877-872-4690) _Http://Elizabethstation.com_ (http://www.elizabethstation.com/) "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34708	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Trains on TV

Did anyone get a chance to see the episode of the new show Numb3rs on CBS last night? It was a great episode about train accidents and a man that was recreating them. Great shots of the yard and footage of the Cajon Pass. The footage on the previous accidents that the man was using were very good, also. Not like a helicoptor shot over one from a local news crew. Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34709	From: Phil K	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II

This has been a fascinating topic, the comments (pro and con) have been fun to read, and what is glaringly apparent is that almost no one is neutral on this. Maybe I'm missing something here. Several people claim the K-Line is "total junk" and is not in the spirit of S. Others are all for it, especially as starter sets for kids old enough to have a train set, but too young for more expenisve, heavily-detailed cars. While we can appreciate the negative opinions, how about getting into some real specifics beyond saying "It's junk?" What exactly is wrong -- if anything -- with the K-Line cars? What is right? To wit: Detailing: To my eye, on average, K-Line is about equal to Gilbert Flyer. Paint and logos on K-Line are sharp, bright and look terrific for tinplate/highrail products. Scale: The K-Line is slightly bigger than 1:64, but not enough to bother a majority of operators, apparently, based on the early poll results and previous comments. Trucks: The K-Line looks and rolls great, much better than Gilbert Flyer or Flyonel. You be the judge on quality. To help in this, I have posted a series of pictures comparing length, width and height of three boxcars -- an AF 942, K-Line and American Models 50-foot, as well as a photo of the "amazingly similar" K-Line trucks to those made by S-Helper Service: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup23 Don't forget to vote in the poll: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Vote for only one of the first two questions and all/any/none of the other five. here's an update: POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K-Line steamers, yard engines and sets? Here are the questions and the current results: I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby -- 39 Don't like it at all -- 2 Would buy a Pacific steamer -- 20 Would buy a Porter -- 21 Would buy a Plymouth -- 26 Would buy a set for myself -- 10 Would buy a set for a kid as a gift -- 21 Hoping all of this discussion will continue our common goal, the steady growth of S, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34710	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado update... good potatoes...

Stave, Come on now... Idaho is known for superb potatoes... I guess eight weeks for return to you... I think it may have to go back to the orient... Good luck.... PS: What prize do I win if I am correct? -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... [mailto:boss31@...] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 5:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado update OK Folks, this is for any of you that care. I received my "authorization" today to return my now defunct NYC Mikado to Lionel under warranty. Had about 6 hours of running time on it. I sent it Priority Mail at 3:30 Mountain time, 02/25/05 Let's see how long it takes for something good to happen. Lottery anyone? Put a buck in the pot and guess the return day. Follow up with how long it takes for it to go belly up again. It only took them 11 days to get the "authorization" letter to me. But it did have to travel all the way from Michigan to far off, remote (State Capitol) Idaho. Regards with cynicism Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34711	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II

Phil K Thanks Phil - picture tell the truth, and the truth of the matter is that there really isn't that much difference to make a fuss over. As noted under the picture of the H. J. Heinz Pickle car the paint job, is exactly as I remembered those cars parked at the Heinz plant in Pittsburgh. I lke them, I like all S products glad we have them no matter who makes them. Jerry M Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: This has been a fascinating topic, the comments (pro and con) have been fun to read, and what is glaringly apparent is that almost no one is neutral on this. Maybe I'm missing something here. Several people claim the K-Line is "total junk" and is not in the spirit of S. Others are all for it, especially as starter sets for kids old enough to have a train set, but too young for more expenisve, heavily-detailed cars. While we can appreciate the negative opinions, how about getting into some real specifics beyond saying "It's junk?" What exactly is wrong -- if anything -- with the K-Line cars? What is right? To wit: Detailing: To my eye, on average, K-Line is about equal to Gilbert Flyer. Paint and logos on K-Line are sharp, bright and look terrific for tinplate/highrail products. Scale: The K-Line is slightly bigger than 1:64, but not enough to bother a majority of operators, apparently, based on the early poll results and previous comments. Trucks: The K-Line looks and rolls great, much better than Gilbert Flyer or Flyonel. You be the judge on quality. To help in this, I have posted a series of pictures comparing length, width and height of three boxcars -- an AF 942, K-Line and American Models 50-foot, as well as a photo of the "amazingly similar" K-Line trucks to those made by S-Helper Service: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup23 Don't forget to vote in the poll: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Vote for only one of the first two questions and all/any/none of the other five. here's an update: POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K-Line steamers, yard engines and sets? Here are the questions and the current results: I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby -- 39 Don't like it at all -- 2 Would buy a Pacific steamer -- 20 Would buy a Porter -- 21 Would buy a Plymouth -- 26 Would buy a set for myself -- 10 Would buy a set for a kid as a gift -- 21 Hoping all of this discussion will continue our common goal, the steady growth of S, Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34712	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: What will you accept?

Y'all..... Gilbert is slightly under scale, except for the gargantuan handcar. K-Line S is over scale, but the trucks and couplers are real nice. The S-Helper 50' boxcar is actually 52' in 3/16 scale, but they are well detailed and run great. The actual track gauge is not correct for 3/16 scale, then what scale should we be using? If everything IS incorrect, what is right? Can anything really be wrong? I'm so confused... I know, I'll create my own scale! S gauge track and trucks under 3/8" scale cars...2' narrow gauge. I can use slot cars and military models for vehicles...railroad crossings will never be the same! I guess it's all in what you'll accept! Stumpy Stone...politically incorrect in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34713	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: What will you accept?

Ah yes, one of the more interesting comments on the discussion at hand. Just curious Stumpy. Maybe I am getting a bit senile, but when did S Helper Service make a 50' boxcar? Next, my trains run on track that is 0.883" between the rails or 4 '8 1/2" like the prototype. What gauge do you use? Best regards, Don Stumpy Stone wrote: >The S-Helper 50' boxcar is actually 52' in 3/16 scale, but they are well detailed and run great. > >The actual track gauge is not correct for 3/16 scale. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34714	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re;re;What will you accept.

Don & Y'all...Evidently I was misunderstood. I have no idea how accurate these "wrong" things are, I got my info from reading THINGS ON THIS LIST. My point is that if all these things are supposed to be wrong, what's correct? I think that's up to the individual. Since I don't have a built in S scale ruler in my eyes (it would probably be too small for me to read anyway), I'll accept what looks in proportion to me. As a Hi-railer, I feel I can probably accept a bit more than someone who is trying to stay in scale. There has been alot of debate on the list lately, but you decide what you'll accept as far as rolling stock size and quality. Stumpy Stone..still politically incorrect in Appalachia!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34715	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588

Subject: Re: Cline poll on Strains Regarding the poll, although it isn't stated but seemed obvious to me at the time, please vote for only one of the first two questions. You can also vote for all/any/none of the others. If you have already voted, you still may add to or change any of your answers until the poll is closed. POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K-Line steamers, yard engines and sets? VOTE FOR ONE: o I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby o Don't like it at all VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: o Would buy a Pacific steamer o Would buy a Porter o Would buy a Plymouth o Would buy a set for myself o Would buy a set for a kid as a gift This survey don't take into account for us Gilbert "O" Gauges (prewar) people. For the first time ever I am able to pull the old 3/16 scale Gilbert Die Cast cars using a K-Line Big Boy that is 1/59 scale. This engine runs flawless, make the old Gilbert look and operate excellent. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34716	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Thanks

A big s-trains thank you to all who fed me helpful tips on fixing my problem with my new AM passenger. The link to AM's web site covered several problems they obviously know they have. I wasn't real comfortable filing down the draw bars, but finally went ahead and tried their solution....... and for the most part it worked. I have one switch that seems to be disagreeable to one car. Had to stop to start the supper on the grill - yes, in NW Iowa we grill year around - or at least some of us do. Tomorrow (maybe) I'll take another long look at the switch/car issue and decide if I need to file down a coupler release on that car or try putting a different switch in that location. As it seems to be the same car each time, I'm guessing it's a coupler issue. I guess I was so used to my 290 being trouble free that I wasn't expecting new stuff to need modifications. I'd say more but I don't want to get a whole new debate started. I do appreciate the guidance and interest so many of you have taken to help me get this going. Don't think I would have accomplished it w/o your help. BTW - my wife thanks you, too..... you can figure that out for yourself. :) Having an tootin' good time Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34717	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588

K-Line Big Boy was in 1/64 scale not 1/59 ! Jerry M Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: Subject: Re: Cline poll on Strains Regarding the poll, although it isn't stated but seemed obvious to me at the time, please vote for only one of the first two questions. You can also vote for all/any/none of the others. If you have already voted, you still may add to or change any of your answers until the poll is closed. POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K-Line steamers, yard engines and sets? VOTE FOR ONE: o I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby o Don't like it at all VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: o Would buy a Pacific steamer o Would buy a Porter o Would buy a Plymouth o Would buy a set for myself o Would buy a set for a kid as a gift This survey don't take into account for us Gilbert "O" Gauges (prewar) people. For the first time ever I am able to pull the old 3/16 scale Gilbert Die Cast cars using a K-Line Big Boy that is 1/59 scale. This engine runs flawless, make the old Gilbert look and operate excellent. Jerry 77-11644 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34718	From: keefer1	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: kline "fat " trains

If you take a k-line 027 pacific and center it on a piece of track running through a gilbert 766 animated station, or 771 stockyard the linkage hits on the accessory.If you give enough clearance for it on a 779 barrel loader ,then put a gilbert gondola next to it, ole Louie can't reach the gondola,and the barrel falls trackside.(none of this is theory,I have tested it) The same issue occurs with a wide ( maybe xxtra wide ) vision caboose . For those of you that don't like the flyer "toy" accessories, the K-line toy trains may be nice. Of course the best thing about fler (IMHO) is the choo choo and I dont think at $159 you'll get that. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34719	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: Re;re;What will you accept.

Mr. Stumpy, let me just say that in S gauge its "RIGHTER" (pardon my incorrect grammar) today than its ever been before. As we are able to purchase more truly high quality products that are close to scale, we simply get pickier. Some people call that progress. And I have already written Don Thompson that I want to order one of those 50 footers in Southern. - Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34720	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II

These are a great set of photos. We are kind of splitting hairs here I think. Ok, I am not really a scale modeler, but I don't totally ignore it either. Our AF accessories are for the most part way over sized, but they fit in nice with a toy train layout. Most of us run our trains on green plywood, have unballisted track, and over sized black switches with some kind of big square light thing in the corner that I have never seen near a real track switch. The point is, these are toys, intended for children of all ages. Kids do not generally get out the ruler to see if the boxcars are the right size. Also, when I sit at the RR crossing and watch the trains go by, there are cars of all sizes. The purists among us would like all boxcars to be exactly the same size as Gilbert AF boxcars, as well as all tank cars, etc. Yet in the real world, cars are all different sizes. I love my Gilbert stuff, but if I apply the same standards to it that some here are trying to apply to K-line, I can find all kinds of problems. How about that the 060 Docksiders that are about to come out should really have been 040 engines to resemble the real world? I may be wrong, but I believe the Docksiders do not accurately resemble anything, but I admit to having 2 of them on order. And what about the Frontiersman, I believe it is closer to O gauge than S, but I sure love my Washington Civil war set! And lets not even go there when it comes to the size of our knuckle couplers! Most of us do not have unlimited funds to spend on our S toys, so each of us has to choose what pieces fit our tastes and budget, but isn't it nice to have a choice? -- Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org Free Albums for S Gauge Photos Available! Send requests to chuck@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34721	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II

Phil asked: > What exactly is wrong -- if anything -- with the K-Line cars? Well, I wouldn't call them "junk", but since you asked... The main problem is width, especially in the boxcar. As seen in the pix you uploaded (good job, btw), the boxcar is noticably too wide. I find the extra height and length are acceptable because real boxcars do vary in height and length. (And Gilbert did a very accurate job of representing the squatty prototype they chose for their boxcar, which makes any other scale boxcar based on a more widely used prototype seem tall by comparison.) Not so as to width, which has a set maximum because of ROW side clearances. Excess width sticks out like a sore thumb, at least on a boxcar. It's less noticable with a flatcar, and certainly less obvious on K-Line's 3-dome tankcar, which has a tank with proportions very comparable to Gilbert's tanks. (The vintage of prototype is also much the same.) Anyway, the overly wide chassis of K's tankcar is somewhat camouflaged by the S scale tank, so I find that error acceptable. (It's also correctable.) The railings are very thick, but the increased durability results in a net gain where kids are involved. Another problem with the boxcar is the detailing. The roof walk and grab irons are virtualy 0 scale, certainly much closer to 0 than S. Together with the excess width, the visual clues given by the car scream "TOO BIG!" at me, and apparently at some other folks. Too bad, because Marx DID make plastic boxcars (and cattle cars) that ARE S scale in proportion and detailing. I've never seen K-Line use that tooling, though. Maybe it didn't survive, or maybe MK decided opening doors were more important than scale accuracy, even for S. (The S scale plastic box/cattle cars have molded-in doors.) Can we imagine an 0 gauge company president deciding for opening doors over scale accuracy? It seems plausible to me. >What is right? Well, besides what I already mentioned, the trucks are nice. The graphics are nice, too. The price is also much less painful than Lionel's. Howzzat? Useful? Yes, yes, I thought as much. ;^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34722	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/26/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II

Chuck Harrington wrote: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide Part II > How about that the 060 Docksiders that are about to come out should >really have been 040 engines to resemble the real world? There were 0-6-0 tank switchers that looked very much like the Gilbert Dockside. I saw one at the Orange Empire Railway Museum here in SoCal. The vision is seared, SEARED in my memory because I remember thinking how much it looked like an AF Docksider, whitewall drivers and all. May have a pic somewhere... >And what about the Frontiersman, Oooo...do we really wanna open that can of worms? Yes, the Frontiersman 4-4-0 was Gilbert's first major deviation from scale accuracy. They really jumped the shark there. I would like to have one good 19th century steamer, but Gilbert's version is just too "off" for me. You can have the one I would've collected, Chuck. :^) >Most of us do not have unlimited funds to spend on our S toys, I belong to that club! Oh yeah! >isn't it nice to have a choice? That's the bottom line to what K-Line has done. More choices, especially at the cheap-but-not-junk end of the spectrum. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34723	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588

Sorry ole boy..... The Big Boy was indeed in 1/59 or 1/58 depending on which sourch checked it....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2588 > > > K-Line Big Boy was in 1/64 scale not 1/59 ! > > Jerry M > > Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Subject: Re: Cline poll on Strains > > > > Regarding the poll, although it isn't stated but seemed obvious to > me at the time, please vote for only one of the first two questions. > You can also vote for all/any/none of the others. If you have > already voted, you still may add to or change any of your answers > until the poll is closed. > > POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K-Line steamers, > yard engines and sets? > > VOTE FOR ONE: > > o I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby > o Don't like it at all > > VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: > > o Would buy a Pacific steamer > o Would buy a Porter > o Would buy a Plymouth > o Would buy a set for myself > o Would buy a set for a kid as a gift > > > This survey don't take into account for us Gilbert "O" Gauges > (prewar) people. > For the first time ever I am able to pull the old 3/16 scale > Gilbert Die Cast cars using a K-Line Big Boy that is 1/59 scale. This > engine runs flawless, make the old Gilbert look and operate excellent. > Jerry 77-11644 > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34724	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: The K-line offerings, more thoughts

FIRST--We haven't seen any "final product" yet, just catalog illustrations, with no details, so I will hold off any final desicions! But, the comparisions fotos were very good to look at. Interesting that K-line made a metal coupler. That will become a problem with illuminated cars! Another O gauge mfg. lack of understanding the nature of electricity with two-rail systems! I still have to change out the metal couples on my Flyonel NP set (and to modify the engines to stop those jackrabbit starts). I will have to dig out the pics I took of the MarX cattle car compaered to the ACG one. (speaking of which, why hasn't Flyonel made a cattle car yet?). With AF trucks under it, it is dead on! No width problems at all. I did have to file the ends of the car a bit to clear the KC couplers. My biggest complaint with the K-line cars (not having run them, I don't know how many operating problems the width might create) is the roofs. They look too peaked to me, too "toy-like." Yes, these are all toys, but ACG worked at making them appear realistic. Little touches like the roof ends, ACG molds make them quite thin, with small braces underneath, but the L made offset cupola caboose has the typical "L" thick walk ends. Look at period L produced items next to ACG items, and you will note that the ACG mold makers were much more refined then L's. This atttention to detail is what made the line the "Tru-Scale" line. Yes, the new stuff from others is quite fine, very much scale detailed and can hold a candle to any scale stuff from other sizes, but all the fine details carriy a price--you have to be careful when handling them. They really aren't toys for young hands--and, actually, that's not the market they are aimed at! For those young hands and developing co-ordination skills, I say to bring on the molded-on details! Some of my Flyer has survived generations of playing, and it still looks (and runs!) good. My 336 has flown off the table top down to the floor (once, that I know of)--thank god it was a slightly dry-rotted floor with old thick asphalt-base linoleum on top--left a big dent in the floor, but only bent one number board!! Whew, did my teen-aged heart skip a beat when that happened!! I doubt any of today's products would do the same. That's not a slam to them, it's just a comment on the ruggedness of our toy trains as compared to our model trains. As I stated in an earlier post, I can't wait to see what the new stuff really looks like. I believe inexpensive starter sets can only help bring more young (er) folks into S, then they can expand out after they've tested the waters. Bring on the Trains!!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34725	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: My EOL Posting on the Kline Big Boy!

I hold before me the Kline Big Boy, I hold before me the Kline catalog I hold before be anothe Kline catalog and in all this engines is advertised as a 1/64 model. I have reached the E O L! Good by Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34726	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Flyonel Over Charges

Bob Brubeck wrote: <It is better to support manufacturers, who have, at <least some of the time, our true interests at heart. <I shall not encourage this kind of low ball effort, <but do intend to give Nick Ladd, Mike Bragga, and <Co. an even tempered constructive earful at K-Line <booth at York in April. I certainly hope that you and, and do it fairly, not as an apologist for the present Lionel brass who continue to way overprice 1950s-era boxcars, gondolas, flatcars, and tank cars that should be selling for 30-40 percent less. If they sold their underdetailed stuff at a reasonable price, then K-Line's use of old Marx 3/16 inch bodies might be a moot point. And they could produce a reasonably priced starter set. When will Lionel produce a set for beginners? Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34727	From: G. Elems	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: K-Line Santa Fe

This is O of course, but it shows K-Line wasn't really too far out in left field. http://www.weavermodels.com/page18.html As far as the rest of their S gauge equipment goes, it looks better in person than the catalog. It maybe rehashed Marx but makes a rugged beginning train that is nicely decorated. If you notice, K-Line is now selling 2-Rail O scale equipment, which just started in 2004. Give it time and K-Line will offer better S gauge items. Another thing to remember, MTH is selling a RailKing steam set with an equally outlandish paint job. It has been a popular set from what I understand. Greg Elems Reno, NV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34728	From: roy inman	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588

My source was the K-Line catalog, which says 1/58th. Perhaps even they did not know what scale it was, but I would hope to heck the manufacturer's measurement would be more accurate than a modeler at a train show with a ruler. Roy Inman on 2/27/05 9:27 AM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER at rcon7@... wrote: > > > Sorry ole boy..... The Big Boy was indeed in 1/59 or 1/58 depending on which > sourch checked it....... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> > To: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:34 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2588 > > >> >> >> K-Line Big Boy was in 1/64 scale not 1/59 ! >> >> Jerry M >> >> Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: >> >> >> Subject: Re: Cline poll on Strains >> >> >> >> Regarding the poll, although it isn't stated but seemed obvious to >> me at the time, please vote for only one of the first two questions. >> You can also vote for all/any/none of the others. If you have >> already voted, you still may add to or change any of your answers >> until the poll is closed. >> >> POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K-Line steamers, >> yard engines and sets? >> >> VOTE FOR ONE: >> >> o I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby >> o Don't like it at all >> >> VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: >> >> o Would buy a Pacific steamer >> o Would buy a Porter >> o Would buy a Plymouth >> o Would buy a set for myself >> o Would buy a set for a kid as a gift >> >> >> This survey don't take into account for us Gilbert "O" Gauges >> (prewar) people. >> For the first time ever I am able to pull the old 3/16 scale >> Gilbert Die Cast cars using a K-Line Big Boy that is 1/59 scale. This >> engine runs flawless, make the old Gilbert look and operate excellent. >> Jerry 77-11644 >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34729	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: AF scale

stumpy and all, i believe the frontiersman products were fairly oversize as well as the handcar. dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34730	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: AF scale

Dear Dale, An interesting history that I have heard regarding the Frontiersman set. AC Gilbert contacted EP Alexander to design the frontiersman set for the 50th anniversary of American Flyer Trains. The models are "O" scale of a narrow gauge prototype. The same idea behind the Bachmann On30 stuff, but they ran on the AF "S" track. Don PS EP Alexander worked for the PRR and was a famous modeler in the 40's and 50's who wrote book and articles on the PRR. reynoldsjmus wrote: > >stumpy and all, i believe the frontiersman products were fairly >oversize as well as the handcar. dale > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34731	From: velapoldi	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts

Hi David: Well, I have to take exception to your comment. My AM 4-6-2 B&O pacific found its way from the elevated portion of my "temporary" layout to the concrete floor with only minor damage to the engine (I think a slightly bent headlight). Straightened same with no problem and operation is still impeccable! Rance Velapoldi (Norway) David Dewey wrote: >.................survived generations of playing, and it still looks (and runs!) good. > My 336 has flown off the table top down to the floor (once, that I know of)--thank god it was a slightly dry-rotted floor with old thick asphalt-base linoleum on top--left a big dent in the floor, but only bent one number board!! Whew, ....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34732	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Layout Evolution

v.1.2 Layout that didn't work. The 290 negotiated all loops fine, but the 70' heavyweight AM passenger just didn't like it, especially the inside loop of the double turnouts at the btm/r of the picture. The four pair of turnouts also made it a tricky layout to negotiate. If it was tricky for me, I didn't think my 7 and 4 year old granddaughters would enjoy it. ---------- PICT0003.JPG v. 2.1 Eliminated two turnouts - lowering the chance of operator errors and made a more usable switchyard. Oh, did I mention... With the help of the S-trains listserve members the modifications were made to the AM passenger cars so they sail around and around now -........ usually. :) The granddaughters thought it was pretty cool - I still operated the turnout controls, but the 7 year old will be able to handle that in the near future. For anyone grabbing their scale rulers, you're right - the switchman's house is a product of the "L" company, but my dad gave it to me along with the 290 so it STAYS! :) Next up will be some contouring, some buildings, an interesting background to the trestle system and perhaps a little league baseball field. I'll put those on my list..... Regards - Steve ---------- PICT0001.JPG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34733	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 27, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34734	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: K-line S gauge

Boy did I ever start something by posting about k-lines catalog. All opinions are valid so long as they are not demeaning to others on the list, simply saying they stink ect. is not realy a good constructive critizium. I like the posts where they backed up their staements with examples of how they were too big or lack of detail. I hope k-line has been watching these posts as it will help them determin what is good about their product and what could improve.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34735	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/27/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts

David Dewey wrote: >I will have to dig out the pics I took of the MarX cattle car >compaered to the ACG one. <snip> With AF trucks under it, it is dead on! No width problems at all. You must be referring to the one I was, the "medium class" eight-wheel car, with molded in doors. Yep, it's right on. However, it must be distinguished from the "deluxe" series of cattle car Marx made which is too wide, just like the boxcar that K-Line is reissuing in with S trucks. >I did have to file the ends of the car a bit to clear the KC >couplers. Same here. I take it you used AF sintered trucks? >My biggest complaint with the K-line cars is the roofs. They look too >peaked to me, You're right, David. The roof pitch is too steep. The same error is present with Marx's medium class boxcar, tho that didn't stop me from converting a few of those. That's the main reason I won't be buying much K-Line S rolling stock. I've already converted some of their stuff (and Marx's) to S. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34736	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: 1:64 Figures

This may be OLD news to some, but I just found this site: http://www.tin-soldier.com/cgi-bin/ustorekeeper.pl Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34737	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: What will you accept? - a RR crossiing...

Stump man, In the late 50 and I think early 60's Gilbert made a railroad crossing for the race cars sets they made and the s-gauge train sets. Question is what scale was the car race sets? I know a guy that had the sulky race sets and used them with the crossing road, it was funny to see the train stop for the sulkies. The sulkies looked oversized. So what the heck, throw a horse or two to drive the rivet counters nuts! Have a hand car stop for a sulky... go for it Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] What will you accept? Y'all..... Gilbert is slightly under scale, except for the gargantuan handcar. K-Line S is over scale, but the trucks and couplers are real nice. The S-Helper 50' boxcar is actually 52' in 3/16 scale, but they are well detailed and run great. The actual track gauge is not correct for 3/16 scale, then what scale should we be using? If everything IS incorrect, what is right? Can anything really be wrong? I'm so confused... I know, I'll create my own scale! S gauge track and trucks under 3/8" scale cars...2' narrow gauge. I can use slot cars and military models for vehicles...railroad crossings will never be the same! I guess it's all in what you'll accept! Stumpy Stone...politically incorrect in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34738	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide - The end

S-Gaugers, I demand total scale precision in any new s product. I also refuse to accept any new s product that doesn't have "Amercian Flyer Lines" across the coal tender. I feel that these two requirements must be meant to be considered a real authentic toy train... ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES! Thank You, Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34739	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Don't forget to vote in the K-Line poll...

Here is the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Vote for only one of the first two questions and all/any/none of the other five. O I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby O Don't like it at all O Would buy a Pacific steamer O Would buy a Porter O Would buy a Plymouth O Would buy a set for myself O Would buy a set for a kid as a gift Poll results as of 3AM 02-28-05 after 64 voters: I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby -- 61 Don't like it at all -- 3 Would buy a Pacific steamer -- 32 Would buy a Porter -- 30 Would buy a Plymouth -- 37 Would buy a set for myself -- 13 Would buy a set for a kid as a gift -- 33 I also have votes from two S-Trains members who could not get into the poll site and emailed their votes to me. I shall add them and any others in just before closing time. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34740	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Great steam DVD set for cheap

Just a heads-up for those so inclined: I'm a big fan of steam locomotives, and love watching them even on DVD/tape on the big screen in the family room. I bought one of these DVD sets on eBay about three months ago. You get 20 total hours on five DVDs for for less than 20 bucks including S&H and the high-quality videos are tremendous -- well worth the price. Heck, in the past I've spent $19.99 to $29.99 for a 1-to-2 hour video. So this was a great deal, IMHO. What you get is some great archive video of steam trains, steam excursions and places where they're still running steam today -- like Strasburg, IRM, the narrow gauges out west, Steamtown, etc. They are now being listed in the S Scale category -- I picked it up when it was listed in the "Railroadiana" category. http://tinyurl.com/6bbz5 Disclaimer: I have no connection whatsoever to the seller other than being a satisfied customer. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34741	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: South West Alabama - Fairhope model train show

FYI The 13th annual Fairhope model train show, sponsored by South West Alabama Railroad Modelers will be held March 19-20 at the Fairhope K-1 Center. http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/baldwin.ssf?/base/news/1109499406297740.xml " This will mark the first Fairhope appearance for Z and S scale layouts. " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34742	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts

I think there are enough steamers without steps, and one piece boilers needing nose jobs to make it clear dropping gilbert may not be a wise move. The best thing I have seen on the kline, is the tender steps are part of the stamped frame, not the plastic shell. Keith --- velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > > Hi David: > Well, I have to take exception to your comment. My > AM 4-6-2 B&O pacific > found its way from the elevated portion of my > "temporary" layout to the > concrete floor with only minor damage to the engine > (I think a slightly > bent headlight). Straightened same with no problem > and operation is > still impeccable! > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > David Dewey wrote: > > >.................survived generations of playing, > and it still looks (and runs!) good. > > > My 336 has flown off the table top down to the floor > (once, that I know > of)--thank god it was a slightly dry-rotted floor > with old thick asphalt-base linoleum on top--left a > big dent in the > floor, but only bent one number board!! Whew, .... > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34743	From: roy inman	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line S gauge offerings -- OK, you decide - The end

Scott, I assume you are either (a)speaking considerably tongue in cheek or (b)don't buy very much :) Roy Inman on 2/26/05 10:36 PM, Scott Davidson at scottdee25@... wrote: > S-Gaugers, > > I demand total scale precision in any new s product. > > I also refuse to accept any new s product that doesn't have "Amercian > Flyer Lines" across the coal tender. > > I feel that these two requirements must be meant to be considered a real > authentic toy train... ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES! > > Thank You, > > Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34744	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: Transformer power draw - GreetingS - The question was recently posed regarding the power required by an AF transformer operating with no load. The transformer in question was perhaps a 19B. Don't have one. Wish I did. But here are some results including a good stand-in. AF 30B 120 V 0.38 A 6 W 45 VA power factor 0.13 power factor was corrected a bit with 8 uF capacitor AF 30B pfc 120 V 0.19 A 6 W 23 VA pf 0.31 Lionel Type V 120 V 0.15 A 6 W 17 VA pf 0.35 power factor was corrected a bit with 2.5 uF capacitor Type V pfc 120 V 0.09 A 6 W 10 VA pf 0.60 Acme Electric Corporation industrial controls transformer T-81057 120 V 0.47 A 12 W 58 VA pf 0.21 power factor was corrected a bit with 8 uF capacitor T-81057 pfc 129 V 0.22 A 12 W 26 VA pf 0.46 Readings were taken with an Electronic Product Design, Inc, Power Line Meter and corroborated with readings from 55+ year old Weston wattmeter, voltmeter, and ammeter. All three transformers are designed to a price >> saturate the iron magnetically. This causes harmonic distortion in the current at frequen- cies of 180 Hz and 300 Hz. Capacitors are used to correct power factor but can only correct for that at 60 Hz since this is the frequency property of the voltage used. [Capacitance is increased until the current cannot be made lower. If the power factor does not become close to 1.0, it is because the uncorrected current is not at 60 Hz. Not to worry. Virtually all electro- magnetic devices such as transformers and motors saturate the iron to some degree and produce currents with harmonic content.] The Acme transformer was included because it is my favorite accessory power supply on modular layouts assembled by members of the Carolinas Division of Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Using it means a reduction in the load served by the trustworthy 30B. This yields cooler operation and longer insulation life. Hope this helps. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34745	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2589

From: Jerry Matsick Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588 K-Line Big Boy was in 1/64 scale not 1/59 ! Jerry M Please Note: Jerry Matsick, If you check with K-Line I believe you will find that the Big Boy is 1/59 scale, same as the new challenger they have produced. American Flyer has been 3/16 scale only since A.D. Gilbert purchased the company and made the change from "O" to the new "CD" known to day as "S" Marx trains have been more reliable than most trains mass produced, and are not junk. Much better quality than the items produced by A.F. at there demise in "66" The new Trains K-Line is producing are quality and a reasonable priced. Lets welcome K-line. ALL you rivet counters need to go total scale and not stay with TOY TRAINS. Just my thoughts and waiting for the K-Line Plymouth switcher in Oct. Gerald R Dobbs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34746	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: WAY OOF TOPIC... AIRPLANES

HEY ALL..... The York of model airplanes will be held this weekend, March 4 - 5 in Perry, Ga..... just south of Macon...... Reaooly nice..... I am going.... show is at the fairgrounds fri 5 - 9 and sat 6-5..... Bob http://gama.rcclubs.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34747	From: roy inman	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2589

---------- > From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0600 > To: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2589 > > Ok, the L-Line catalog says 1/58th scale, not 1/59th or 1/64th. > Although I personally wonder if it is within the realm of technology (my scale > ruler and a magnifying glass is all I have) to determine the difference > between 1/58th and 1/59th, I suppose it does make sense to get it right, > whatever "right" is. > Roy Inman > > on 2/28/05 9:51 AM, Gerald R Dobbs at grdobbs@... wrote: > >> From: Jerry Matsick Subject: Re: Digest Number 2588 >> >> K-Line Big Boy was in 1/64 scale not 1/59 ! >> >> Jerry M >> >> Please Note: >> Jerry Matsick, If you check with K-Line I believe you will find that the >> Big Boy is 1/59 scale, same as the new challenger they have produced. >> >> American Flyer has been 3/16 scale only since A.D. Gilbert purchased the >> company and made the change from "O" to the new "CD" known to day as "S" >> >> Marx trains have been more reliable than most trains mass produced, and >> are not junk. Much better quality than the items produced by A.F. at >> there demise in "66" >> >> The new Trains K-Line is producing are quality and a reasonable priced. >> Lets welcome K-line. ALL you rivet counters need to go total scale and >> not stay with TOY TRAINS. >> Just my thoughts and waiting for the K-Line Plymouth switcher in Oct. >> Gerald R Dobbs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34748	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts

I feel that there is a misunderstanding concerning metal couplers from Flyonel and K-Line. Early link couplers from Gilbert were metal. Gilbert QC ensured that all engines and powered rolling stock were "phased", for want of a better word: as per original, the metal wheels should be on the right in the front and left in the rear. Start with your locomotives, then check your rolling stock. I've run my Flyonel UP coaches behind my 336 and had no problems-but the 336 has a plastic coupler. My own feelings about the metal couplers-they're better, especially if you like long consists. Gilbert couplers do fail under heavy load by having the rivet/knuckle pivot tear the coupler body. And not from age-I had this happen 50 years ago. I think it's a lot less work, and it's no cost to just juggle (if necessary) a couple of axle sets.-John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34749	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Gilbert Slot Cars

Gilbert Motorama slot cars were 1/32 scale, and were bottom of the line stuff-only Eldon were worse. Any 1/32 cars run on Gilbert "track", and vice-versa. One of my cousins got a Gilbert slot car set for Christmas in '63 or '64 that was obtained thru a family friend who worked at Gilbert. The set didn't run-probably just a bad transformer, because the cars ran on my set-up. My uncle took the set back to the factory store, and was given 3 entire boxed sets. If they were this liberal with all the repair work encountered, one has to wonder how badly the company was being managed-but we already have a good idea-John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34750	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Kline improvements

regards the box car roof problems discussed here, what i do is merely paint flat black spray over the roofs, sure tones down the errors in roofwalk width and slope, let alone the plastic sheen. i mask the sides and paint the car while on its side not upright. and regards the comment that the tank of the tankcar is s scale, it really is oversize. it calculates out to a 13,500 gallon tank. the biggest tank ive ever heard of in the 1950s era is 12,000 gallons. for comparison, the af tank scales out to a 10,000 gallon tank, quite correct. and as i have posted before, the real problem with the kline tankcar is height. tankcars are always shorter than house cars, but this tank is taller even than my af gp-9s.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34751	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2589

Gerald dobbs wrote > >>" Marx trains have been more reliable than most > trains mass produced, and" > >> "Lets welcome K-line. ALL you rivet counters need > to go total scale and > >> not stay with TOY TRAINS." > > > Well that is the first time I have ever seen MARX and reliable in the same sentence,or been accused of being a rivet counter.I guess the cattle loader and people mover are two of the most toy-like accessories (cow on track probably the most).When I set my trains up the kids demand they go up.Even though they always need help to work properly,or maybe because of that,I always put them up. Now the trouble I have with Kline ,the only kline car I own ,a Reading caboose will not fit past the accessories.For those of you that want to suggest move the accessory back , you need to look at these two and the 770 loader.Their distance from the track can not be adjusted without removing the track tray on the accessory.(something I'm not willing to do) I say if Kline wants to play on the gilbert track, they should make it fit! For those of you saying we had to have cheap starter sets I would disagree. I have two daughters, the oldest learned to fish with a snoopy pole, and then a cheap "starter set" from Walmart. My youngest got a decent spinning set (adult quality,ultra light). My oldest would rather go shopping, my baby still loves fishing. The cheap stuff ussually creates more trouble then fun.I gave both my children a nice original A C Gilbert set.One has a franklin set,although out of scale works through any layout I have put together,the other has a 312 freight set. My grand daughter will not be getting any trains that she can not bring to grampy's and run on his layout. She wants an American Models amtrak set , like the one we rode to Chatanooga . Just my 2 cents(of course adjusted for inflation) Keith > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34752	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2589

Everyone that wants S to grow should WELCOME K LINE. The BIG L isn't interested in S. They are only interested in LARGE profits. They have had lots of chance's to promote S and didn't. They did attempt to go into HO three times though and failed. Trains that can be enjoyed by youngsters is the way to go. I like all of the new product's we have in S but, trains that children can play with is the way to go. Go get em K LINE. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34753	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: relays

Does anyone know where I can get some relays that can be flipped by the 18 volt AC current of a Gilbert transformer? All the local electronics stores say nobody makes such a beast. Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34754	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Greeting! yes I am back

Hello fellow S Scalers and S Gaugers Yes I dropped out but realized there were far too many good people to lose contact with, I can name them and appeciated all the info and help they have given. Yes, I came on strong about K-Line S gauge, and i stand behind my thoughts 100%. Suppose you were retired on a fixed income, what a great solution for building a low cost but good S gauge layout. There have been dealers that sold the cars for $ 13.49 each, which is great. I have the K Line S cars but I also have that many more of S Helper, American Models, Flyonel and love all of them. I also cherish and think that for 50 plus years many of the A C Gilbert American Flyer cars are still running and looking super. I think I may have over expressed my thoughts on K Line as have some of you. Lets work together to have a great working relationship one with another. I am looking forward to meeting many of you at York in March. Happy Rails to all of you. Jerry Matt Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34755	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2590 - K-Line folies.

Bob Bubeck wrote: >>It is better to support manufacturers, who have, at least some of the time, our true interests at heart. But do intend to give Nick Ladd, Bob Grubba, and Co. an even tempered constructive earful at K-Line booth at York in April (Quote and spelling of names corrected). << Joe wrote: >> I certainly hope that you and, and do it fairly, not as an apologist for the present Lionel brass who continue to way overprice 1950s-era boxcars, gondolas, flatcars, and tank cars that should be selling for 30-40 percent less.<< Joe: As a customer and someone who has been in " "S” for 55 years, I can voice my wants to K-Line’s management. You may do so, as well. I have had lots of practice constructively criticizing the folks in Chesterfield. Folks: The topic is not Lionel. It is K-line. Just for the record I do own and enjoy a few K-Line pieces, namely their scale-sized O gauge PRR A5, B6b, and K4s (the neat one with the smoke lifters). These are good trains, decent models, and honest products. I have no qualms about recommending them to others for their consideration. As for their S gauge offerings, just look at what is in their catalog. A steam engine related to no known prototype, but rather a collage of about every toy train steam engine cliché; a tender that is too big for the freight trucks underneath (or is it the other way around?); and a string of rolling stock that really do not “look right” because a degree of selective compression was Marx ’s thing in the postwar period. I also do not buy the notion we haven’t seen these trains yet. I saw them a half century ago, but planted in 3-rail O gauge track. The new Plymouth switcher is a nice piece – in O gauge. I suspect that the new Porter will be, too. Regauging O gauge trains and passing them off as S gauge to save a few bucks is bush league treatment on 2005. It was OK, I suppose, to “test the waters” with such compromises, but now that K-Line has verified that there is a market (surprise!), it is time for them to offer some S gauge trains truly worthy of anticipation. I’ll pass. I need to save up for my SHS Consolidation. ;-) Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34756	From: jt12313	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: The loop works!!!

Just a short not to say that the main loop of my long delayed layout is fully functional. I hooked up an old pikemaster transformer yesterday and ran one of my old Casey Jones steamers a couple of laps around. I had to clean the old flyer rails in one or two spots but I can really get my new SF Baldwin to move... I made my terminal tracks using leftover strip plastic, a tuna can and a new piece of K-Line track. I used original Flyer and K-line track because... I have a lot of it:) Now I have to wire up the switches and make sure I do not have any short-circuits in the works Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34757	From: roy inman	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Greeting! yes I am back

Jerry, et al, IMHO, this email cyber stuff is both a blessing and a curse. In person, most of us would never, ever experience the kind or degree of misunderstandings that we do on this list. Part of that stems, again IMHO, from the fact that few of us write actual letters any more. When sitting down and putting pen to paper, or even using a typewriter, most people are far more conscious of spelling, tone, underlying meaning, etc. But email is just so easy, so available for all of us. Some of us, beginning with me, are perhaps out of practice in the written form of communication. Bottom like is, that when I figured out how sloppy I personally had become in my email correspondence, I started reading over a couple of times what I had just written to see if what I intended to say I actually said. And I finally discovered spellchecker. "It's a miracle," he said, hands raised skyward. Not suggesting by any means that others don't do the same, (well, not raising the hands skyward<grin>) just that in my case and at times, I hit "send" in too much of a rush. If any of this might be helpful, fine; if not, delete. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 2/28/05 4:31 PM, Jerry Matsick at jpmatsick@... wrote: > I think I may have over expressed my thoughts on K Line as have > some of you. Lets work together to have a great working relationship > one with another. > > I am looking forward to meeting many of you at York in March. > > Happy Rails to all of you. > > Jerry Matt Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34758	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts

Dear John, I may be a bit rusty on my AF, but I believe the 1946 AF link couplers were plastic. The only metal link couplers I remember seeing were on the pre-war S on O equipment. Best regards, Don John Marganski wrote: >I feel that there is a misunderstanding concerning metal couplers from Flyonel and K-Line. Early link couplers from Gilbert were metal. > >.-John Marganski > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34759	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: OK, time to get back on track

Let's not forget this is a friendly place for S gaugers to gather and exchange thoughts and information about our hobby. The original intent of the string regarding the new K-Line offerings was to assess among the members of this board what they thought about this latest development in S gauge, simple as that. Everything expressed so far is opinion, period. We all have the wonderful opportunity to express our opinion both here and by voting in the poll. There is another opportunity, too -- you can buy it or not. No matter what is said here, pro or con, the only guaranteed thing is that consumers will get to vote with their dollars, and either way, K-Line will get the message. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and obviously there is quite a strong, wide range on this topic. Regarding opinions, no one can be right or wrong, as long as they base their opinion on solid facts. Many have done so. A few have based their opinion on speculation -- especially regarding the new steam and yard locomotives and sets, which none of us have seen yet beyond an artist's drawings on K-Line's website. Only time will tell, and personally, I can't wait to see what happens. The intent of this forum -- founder Paul Yorke's intent -- does not include personal attacks or name-calling. Heated discussions are okay as long as it stays civil. When several members email me as a moderator that they are thinking of quitting because they are being bombarded with flaming, off-line emails is not a good thing. I have received a few myself, and after I stopped laughing, hit the delete button. In fact, three came from the same computer, each with a different email sender's name. I guess I'm not the only one with multiple addresses for different uses. That's not to say this forum has to be vanilla in nature. Differences in opinions based on facts are what make talk radio and Interent forums like S-Trains so doggone entertaining. That's why Baskin-Robbins offers 31 flavors (or is it 33?), because not everyone likes vanilla. Heated discussions are fine, healthy and fun to read, as long as things remain civil. Like it or not, we're just a small group of enthusiastic S gaugers and not the "S Gauge Police" and the K-Line stuff will go on sale in stores very soon. Respectfully, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34760	From: keefer1	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track

--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: " Everything expressed so far is opinion, period." Not a true statement. To the best of my recollection,everything I have written is fact. The kline caboose will NOT pass through any accessory that has a fixed track plate,the Kline pacific will be no different if they did not narrow it,just changed it's gauge. My youngest daughter loves to fish , the oldest will go if I make her. Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34761	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Problem

A day or two ago I told you I had the AM diesel running happy as a lark. Soooo, today my faithful 290 suddenly took a nosedive from a turnout, down to the floor. Fortunately a carpeted floor. But I was surprised at the sudden tumble. Not like the 290. A couple of wires broke - fixed those, but when I placed it back on the track, the four front wheels now jump off at any time - and quickly. That's probably what caused the original sudden spill at the turnout. Problem: I can't see what's causing these free-floating wheels to derail. I've taken them off and inspected both sides and all around the wheel area. Nothing obvious. What do you think is causing this problem and how do I go about correcting it? Thanks, friends, for being here yet another time to help me out. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34762	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: Greeting! yes I am back

--- roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > ...Bottom like is, that when I figured out how sloppy I personally had become in my email correspondence, I started reading over a couple of times what I had just written to see if what I intended to say I actually said. And I finally discovered spellchecker. "It's a miracle," he said, hands raised skyward. Yes, spell checkers are great, but they don't know that you meant bottom line, not bottom like. Reminds me of my boss sending out a memo before a group seminar on how we should be more pro-active, but the spell checker changed it to protractive, which is sort of the opposite of what he meant. I brought a protractor to the seminar; it got a good laugh. Regarding K-line stuff being too wide. It will be a problem for me as I have the stockyard, the animated station, and the barrel loader, and I wouldn't be able to run too-wide rolling stock. Some times even original AF hits the animated station. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34763	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track

Phil K wrote >>Everything expressed so far is opinion, period.<< >> Not a true statement. To the best of my recollection, everything I have written is fact. >>The kline caboose will NOT pass through any accessory that has a fixed track plate, the Kline pacific will be no different if they did not narrow it, just changed it's gauge.<< >>Keith<< Hi Keith -- What you stated about the oversize width K-Line stuff not being able to pass through the old Gilbert accessories is fact and therefore true. I agree. But your post and other similar factual posts is not what I was addressing, so please take no offense. My statement was, in its full context: "The original intent of the string regarding the new K-Line offerings was to assess among the members of this board what they thought about this latest development in S gauge, simple as that. Everything expressed so far [on the new K-Line offerings] is opinion, period." I meant opinions on the NEW K-Line offerings, which no one has seen or run. My best guess is you are probably right in speculating the new Pacifics will, unfortunately, be too wide for Gilbert accessories, but until we see them and measure them we won't know for sure. I'm sure the new 2005 rolling stock will be like the previous releases -- too wide. That's one of the reasons I don't have a K-Line extended vision caboose. I think they'd bang into other cars (like AM 72-foot heavyweights) passing on tight curves. Anyone find out the hard way? Respectfully, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34764	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1:64 Figures

What a great site! Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34765	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: relays

Get 12VDC relays from Radio Shack and power them from a transformer thru a Radio Shack bridge rectifier or diode to convert the AC to DC. Dedicate a transformer to power them so you can turn the variable down to about 12V. Note that some older Flyer transformers are rated 15 or 16V. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] relays > > > Does anyone know where I can get some relays that can be flipped by the 18 volt AC current of a Gilbert transformer? All the local electronics stores say nobody makes such a beast. > > Thanks. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34766	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track

I think the poll showed a clear majority liking the K-Line S for kid worthy starter sets. If the bay window caboose hits, don't use it. I saw the hopper, it's vastly oversize. I run 2 of the original tank cars and 2 box cars and they fit in to my satisfaction. The drop center flats look a little too wide so I don't own one. So be selective- if you don't like it don't buy it. If they make something you like then get it. And let others make up their own mind. The voting ratio probably won't change. I have to admit I never realized there were so many rivet counters in S - Trains. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] OK, time to get back on track > > > Let's not forget this is a friendly place for S gaugers to gather > and exchange thoughts and information about our hobby. > > The original intent of the string regarding the new K-Line offerings > was to assess among the members of this board what they thought > about this latest development in S gauge, simple as that. Everything > expressed so far is opinion, period. > > We all have the wonderful opportunity to express our opinion both > here and by voting in the poll. There is another opportunity, too -- > you can buy it or not. No matter what is said here, pro or con, the > only guaranteed thing is that consumers will get to vote with their > dollars, and either way, K-Line will get the message. > > Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and obviously there is > quite a strong, wide range on this topic. Regarding opinions, no > one can be right or wrong, as long as they base their opinion on > solid facts. Many have done so. A few have based their opinion on > speculation -- especially regarding the new steam and yard > locomotives and sets, which none of us have seen yet beyond an > artist's drawings on K-Line's website. Only time will tell, and > personally, I can't wait to see what happens. > > The intent of this forum -- founder Paul Yorke's intent -- does not > include personal attacks or name-calling. Heated discussions are > okay as long as it stays civil. When several members email me as a > moderator that they are thinking of quitting because they are being > bombarded with flaming, off-line emails is not a good thing. I have > received a few myself, and after I stopped laughing, hit the delete > button. In fact, three came from the same computer, each with a > different email sender's name. I guess I'm not the only one with > multiple addresses for different uses. > > That's not to say this forum has to be vanilla in nature. > Differences in opinions based on facts are what make talk radio and > Interent forums like S-Trains so doggone entertaining. That's why > Baskin-Robbins offers 31 flavors (or is it 33?), because not > everyone likes vanilla. Heated discussions are fine, healthy and fun > to read, as long as things remain civil. > > Like it or not, we're just a small group of enthusiastic S gaugers > and not the "S Gauge Police" and the K-Line stuff will go on sale in stores very soon. > > Respectfully, > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34767	From: firex43	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: 290 Pilot Truck Problem

Hello Steve, Check the gauge of your pilot truck wheels; using a caliper a good distance at the point the flange meets the flat portion of the wheel is 22 mm. Another option is to replace the conical spring if it isn't strong enough. One last item is to mount an adhesive backed weight under the pilot truck frame. I used this method on a 350 Royal Blue and this cured the jumping problem. Good Luck. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34768	From: Phil K	Date: 2/28/2005
Subject: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets

From Doug Peck's PortLines email newsletter: "Three different [K-Line] freight sets are included [in the new catalog], each including a diecast 4-6-2 Pacific steam engine (Reading, NYC, and ATSF) with smoke, headlight, electronic reverse, and whistle-in-tender. Each set includes freight cars and caboose from prior "S" K-Line production, a 120-watt AC transformer, and a 54x74 oval of track."" So the steamers whistle and smoke for $149.99 MSRP. No word on "choo-choo." At least this answers a few burning questions. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34769	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Relays and couplers

For 18V relays, including latching relays, check out Organ Supply Industries (www.organsupply.com) although I think they want to sell only to organ rebuilders.Maybe Mouser.com might have something. Now to couplers, changing pickup wheels on the diesel units is not easy, as the sliding contacts are only offered on one side of the truck sideframe, so you have to couple right rail pickup truck with a left rail pickup truck. Only the paint on the metal couplers is keeping things from a short circuit. A plastic coupler makes life soo much easier!! And the AC ones seem rugged enough made of plastic anyway! (IMHO). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34770	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Rail size?

Y'all...Being frustrated by derailments and tired eyes trying to rerail them in smaller scales, I'm doing S Hi-rail now. However, I'm a bit confused on the different rail sizes available. I see some is "code 148", and another is "155 lb. rail", yet another says "AF compatable." Right now my layout is old Flyer and Gargraves, but I want to upgrade on the next layout as these two look too toy like for my tastes. Just what is the rail size in either code or inches of AF, Gargraves, American Models, S-Helper, etc? I need some way to get all these different types of track straight in my head so I can understand what rail sizes I'm dealing with. Stumpy Stone...planning derailed in Martins Ferry, ON.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34771	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: The K-line offerings, more thoughts

My experience with Gilbert link couplers pre- and postwar match Don T's "rusty" memory. :^) Prewar: Metal Postwar: Plastic Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34772	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Deadline for Pre-orders--2005 Lionel Book 1--March 4th

The deadline for pre-orders from Joe's TRain Repair for Gilbert American Flyer items from the 2005 Lionel Book 1 catalog is Thursday, March 3rd at noon. We are offering all 27 new American Flyer items listed in the catalog. Item number, description, retail price, and my price (plus S&H) are listed below. Your Number Description Retail Cost 6-48041 UP Mikado 629.99 $550 6-48042 Sou Mikado 629.99 $550 6-48048 DM&IR SD-9 diesel 259.99 $225 6-48049 SP SD-9 Diesel 259.99 $225 6-48139 PRR Alco PB B-unit w/Railsounds 159.99 $140 6-48356 Pluto boxcar 54.99 $47 6-48357 Winnie the Pooh boxcar 54.99 $47 6-48358 SF boxcar 52.99 $45 6-48417 Pillsbury single-dome tank car 57.99 $50 6-48418 Protex single-dome tank car 57.99 $50 6-48539 Flatcar w/REA piggyback trailers 52.99 $45 6-48540 B&O flatcar w/ girder 52.99 $45 6-48541 D&H gondola w/pipe load 52.99 $45 6-48542 UPS flatcar w/UPS piggybk trlrs 57.99 $50 6-48628 DM&IR hopper 52.99 $45 6-48727 UP bay window caboose 52.99 $45 6-48728 Sou bay window caboose 52.99 $45 6-48730 DM&IR extended vision caboose 52.99 $45 6-48731 SP extended vision caboose 52.99 $45 6-48732 UP boom car 52.99 $45 6-48975 PRR passenger car 2-pack 129.99 $110 6-49021 UP crane car 74.99 $65 6-49022 M.o.W. searchlight car 74.99 $65 6-49023 NYC Walking Brakeman car 74.99 $65 6-49024 PRR Coal Dump car 74.99 $65 6-49614 PRR Alco PA passenger set 679.99 $600 6-49824 #770 Loading Platform & op.box 149.99 $130 Do not be left out as many people were with the Docksiders, NYC Mikado, and B&O Mikado passenger set. No money due if you have a credit card of record on file or call 919/471-2613 and leave your Master Card or Visa number and expiration date as well as your name, mailing address, and e-mail address. Otherwise, a 10 percent deposit will hold your order. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34773	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: k-line

We bought their cars and they made us 3 engines. That is a start. Marx made a box car and a cattle car that is S gauge. The doors do not open and the cattle car is solid, with no see though. I was going to sand it from the inside so that you could see inside it. Those are the only true S gauge items besides the tender which I use to replace metal AF tenders. Go to Hobby Lobby to see the steam engine. It is better then the cheap Lionel metal steam engine. If it runs like the old Marx that would be a plus. I never seen a Marx engine stall do to a poor reverse unit. The main thing is putting pressure on Lionel to lower their prices. The Marx cars have more plastic and better trucks so how can they do it and not Lionel? So we pay $30 extra for the name American Flyer. Am I not right about this??? Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34774	From: Doug	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets

When are these sets going to be available? Doug K > > From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> > Date: 2005/03/01 Tue AM 12:56:13 EST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets > > > > From Doug Peck's PortLines email newsletter: > > "Three different [K-Line] freight sets are included [in the new > catalog], each including a diecast 4-6-2 Pacific steam engine > (Reading, NYC, and ATSF) with smoke, headlight, electronic reverse, > and whistle-in-tender. Each set includes freight cars and caboose > from prior "S" K-Line production, a 120-watt AC transformer, and a > 54x74 oval of track."" > > So the steamers whistle and smoke for $149.99 MSRP. No word on "choo-choo." > At least this answers a few burning questions. > > Phil K >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34775	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets

- The new K-Line catalog states that the S Gauge steam engines will feature "K-Sounds" including whistle, bell, chuffing, and crew sounds. Not bad for the price. Hopefully, K-Lines products will bring new "blood" into S Gauge. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > From Doug Peck's PortLines email newsletter: > > "Three different [K-Line] freight sets are included [in the new > catalog], each including a diecast 4-6-2 Pacific steam engine > (Reading, NYC, and ATSF) with smoke, headlight, electronic reverse, > and whistle-in-tender. Each set includes freight cars and caboose > from prior "S" K-Line production, a 120-watt AC transformer, and a > 54x74 oval of track."" > > So the steamers whistle and smoke for $149.99 MSRP. No word on "choo-choo." > At least this answers a few burning questions. > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34776	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: K-Line etc.

It seems that the over riding issue is that the K-line offerings are acceptable for one reason, they are cheap, as compared to other manufactures. Seems that a low price can override any other concerns or objections in the short term. I cut down the last tree in my back yard to save 35 cents on sawmill lumber sticks. Had hell to pay after my wife saw all the wood chips and sawdust in the living room. Now I need some logs and am wondering if my neighbor will miss the Oak tree in his back yard? I was once told that originally American Flyer was the low cost alternative to Lionel in the 40's and 50's. If that was true then, maybe it's still true today. I don't know if that was the reason my Dad chose AF. I like to think it was the 2 rail track. So maybe AF enthusiasts are just more modellers at heart, or maybe not. But I think I've decided to buy the logs and save the marriage and a good neighbor. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34777	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Rail heights

<<< Just what is the rail size in either code or inches of AF, Gargraves, American Models, S-Helper, etc? I need some way to get all these different types of track straight in my head so I can understand what rail sizes I'm dealing with. >>> AF and Gargraves are both APPROXIMATELY code .210, as I recall. AM is code .148 SHS is code .125 code .125 is the lowest permissible rail-height that will still accomodate original AF wheel flanges. (Actually, there are a very few AF wheels which may tick the ties even on .125.....but that is unusual.) code .125 S-Trax will essentially accomodate everything in S today, from scale through tinplate. So will the AM code .148, although it is slightly taller .....hard to tell by eye, unless you have them side-by-side. Check out our TRACK OPTIONS website page. Hope this helps. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34778	From: sjtewks	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Rivet counter

Guess I'm not a rivet counter. I had five trains running under the Christmas tree last year; two Marx on 3-rail (a 999 pulling tin passenger cars, a CP pulling New Marx passenger cars), two American Flyer S on two rail (my old 312 pulling freight, and a 302AC also pulling freight), and an American Flyer 423 (O gauge) on three rail, pulling tin freight cars. The three rail track was KLine 027 and the two rail track was original AF. I had one "town" set up with Plasticville and another with ceramic houses. On the far end were tin buildings (AF and Marx litho) with tin water towers, a Marx tin airport hanger with a couple of Wyandotte tin airplanes, and an AF revolving airport beacon. Everything was tied together with a "snow" base, Plasticville telephone poles throughout, and lighted buildings and street lights (Marx). Separating the towns with trees and fences between track areas subdued any apparent size discrepencies. Worked fine, and we were happy with the nostalgic images.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34779	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Update on K-Line steamers (w/whistle, smoke) & sets

Wow, This makes the engines almost worth buying just to take the electronic sounds out of them! I have a renewed interest in their steamer now. I really really like having sound in my engine, spoiled by the Mikado I guess... :) hgetrain wrote: > >- >The new K-Line catalog states that the S Gauge steam engines will >feature "K-Sounds" including whistle, bell, chuffing, and crew >sounds. Not bad for the price. Hopefully, K-Lines products will >bring new "blood" into S Gauge. > > > -- Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org Free Albums for S Gauge Photos Available! Send requests to chuck@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34780	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: k-line vs flyonel

The 30 extra dollars (for Flyonel) also gets you un-sprung trucks and stamped metal underbodies on the 50 plus yr old mold produced bodies. NOW they don't even use the "Flyer" name on some of their "S" products. Marketing 101, sell what the market will bear, at the price it will pay. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34781	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Loco Matic,TMCC and DCC

I would like to see all S trains be able to operate on all systems. The time may come when you purchase equipment only by the system if operates on. That will be a bummer ! In HO you can get away with that, and that might not be to much longer either. It would be nice to operate a layout with controls and electronics that are compatible. Well, untill MTH comes along. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34782	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Rail heights

Check this web site for rail codes and weights. http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/RRrailsizes.html I measured AF as about code 200 and Gargraves as code 220, eyeballed with a ruler but a caliper would be better, so we agree. Chuck Smith: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Rail heights > > > <<< Just what is the rail size in either code or inches of AF, > Gargraves, American Models, S-Helper, etc? I need some way to get > all these different types of track straight in my head so I can > understand what rail sizes I'm dealing with. >>> > > AF and Gargraves are both APPROXIMATELY code .210, as I recall. > AM is code .148 > SHS is code .125 > > code .125 is the lowest permissible rail-height that will still accomodate original AF wheel flanges. > (Actually, there are a very few AF wheels which may tick the ties even on .125.....but that is unusual.) > > code .125 S-Trax will essentially accomodate everything in S today, from scale through tinplate. > So will the AM code .148, although it is slightly taller .....hard to tell by eye, unless you have them side-by-side. > > Check out our TRACK OPTIONS website page. > > Hope this helps. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34783	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Loco Matic,TMCC and DCC

In a message dated 03/01/2005 11:58:58 AM Mountain Standard Time, femiro2002@... writes: I would like to see all S trains be able to operate on all systems. The time may come when you purchase equipment only by the system if operates on. That will be a bummer ! In HO you can get away with that, and that might not be to much longer either. It would be nice to operate a layout with controls and electronics that are compatible. Well, untill MTH comes along. It isn't as difficult as it may seem to operate "all the systems" on one layout. By running different transformers into the trackage via DPDT switches, (common buss lines) I successfully operate regular AC, DC, DCC, Locomatic, and now TMCC. The AC, Locomatic, and TMCC all share one large transformer and are isolated via the DPDTs. The DC is a separate transformer of moderate size. It is also isolated via DPDT. The DCC is also an isolated (AC) transformer of modest size. It's really quite simple and trouble free. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34784	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Boxcars for sale

I have three "East of the Rockies" boxcars for sale. They are early LTI issues. 1. 9701 "The Rock" from 1980 2. 9702 "B&O Sentinel" from the 1981 Historical American Railroads set #1 3. 9713 "New York Central" from the 1986 Historical America Railroads set #4 They are new in the box except for the NYC 9713 which is "like new" in the box First person that offers $105 plus shipping gets them. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34785	From: keefer1	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: lionel gulf 9100 tank car

Any have one of these that doesn't have all the lettering on both sides? Or if your a collector of factory errors. Contact me off list. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34786	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Turnouts

Guys, I recently got a pair of #6 turnouts from Tom Holtz (Tom’s Trackwork and Turnouts). Keeping in mind the recent mention of turnouts that can handle a variety of S products, I had to post this. When I first opened the package I was impressed with the looks of the turnouts. They have brass rails glued to wood ties which are stained to resemble creosote. I know that some guys don’t like brass, but once polished and weathered, I personally don’t mind the look. I hooked up a Caboose Industries ground throw to them and began testing which locomotives could negotiate them. I ran the following Flyer locos through without incident: a 283 Pacific, an 0-8-0 switcher, a 312 Hudson, a Flyonel Geep and EP-4. All sorts of rolling stock went through also once the narrow gauging of the wheels was taken care of. If you know Flyer, their gauging was anything but consistent. I then tried the following hirail offerings: An AM RS-3, F40-PH, GG1 and FP7, then a PHM Trainmaster. What really surprised me was the scale things that sailed through the turnouts in all directions (even onto the diverging route where problems occur): an AM streamlined Pacific, an ABA set of SHS F7’s, and a BL-2 with scale wheels (AM trucks). Each locomotive was accompanied by freight and passenger cars, including the scale six wheel AM Pullmans. Everything went through very nicely. I also used both AM and SHS flextrack to do the testing. These things mate perfectly with AM track and nicely with SHS. The height difference was negligible since SHS track measures .137”. I think the secret to these things is a little insert that Tom Holtz uses in the frog area. The shape sort of nudges wheels of all configurations away from the frog point. There were some minor problems with a few things picking either the frog point or the closure rail points when they were against the stock rails, but a few swipes with a jeweler’s file took care of it. Would I recommend them for everyone? What a silly question. We’re S gaugers. We can’t agree on what couplers to use! But I would recommend them if you: 1. don’t mind brass rails 2. run code 148 or SHS’s track system 3. need #6 turnouts 4. own and run a variety of things and wish to use the same track 5. want something to compliment the AM or SHS track systems. Drawbacks? The brass color might put some guys off. They need to be wired to power the frog, but Tom included nice instructions for this, including how to cut the throw bar. They’re only available in AM’s code 148 (for now). There’s a bit of a bump going through them, but nothing unacceptable. Heck, real turnouts aren’t that smooth, I live near a Ford Plant and hear and see them all the time. They also may need a bit of “tweaking” to get things smooth. But nothing an S gauger isn’t capable of doing. I don’t have any brass things, nor do I have a large variety of things to test, so I don’t know if there’s anything that will derail, but everything I have passes through fine. There you go guys. Take this for what it’s worth. I’m pleased with them and will buy a lot more. Jerry Poniatowski Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34787	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2591

Robert Graves Wrote Subject: relays Does anyone know where I can get some relays that can be flipped by the 18 volt AC current of a Gilbert transformer? All the local electronics stores say nobody makes such a beast. Thanks. Robert: I have had good luck using 12v DC relays with a small full wave rectifier soldered on the relay, wired direct to a pressure switch or an insulated out side rail ( 3 rail ) powered from the accessory terminal of my main transformer 18v AC post. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34788	From: Fred Alles	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Bell for 759 Bell Danger Signal

Anyone know how to repair cracked bell housings for the 759 or where you can get a replacement bell? I have several that work but the bell is cracked in 4 or 5 places so it doesn't ring. Can you solder the cracks closed? Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34789	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Bert's Back

OH yeah! After an hiatus of several months, Bert, the Cop is back on his beat and keeping a close watch on things with wheels. Many interesting (not to mention useful) vehicles are showing up, and Bert is on hand to gauge by his mere presence their worthiness for the 1/64 world. To kick off the newest wave of diecast wonders, and in sympathy with all you S scale associates in the colder, currently white climates, "SoCal" Bert is displaying over a dozen cars and trucks with mostly white paint. We call this collection "Symphony in White: Vehicles You'd Have a Tough Time Finding After a Snowstorm". Several new pix have been added already. Additional pix will appear one per day for the next couple months. See them at Paul Y's site: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01 Bert thanks you for your attention. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34790	From: fiantoni	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: AF 370 GM GP-7

I just picked up an AF 370 GM GP-7 on E-Bay. A quick diagostic looks like it will run with some cleaning. The front motorized truck seems to be loose and is sliding back and forth somewhat along the length of the train. I assume this is not normal. Any pointers before I start dissassembling this new toy would be appreciated. This is my first AF Diesel so I am looking forward to learning what makes them tick. Thanks to all for the advice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34791	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/1/2005
Subject: Re my question on relays

Thanks to all who sent ideas and web links, but especially thanks to those who asked questions and caused me to ponder a paradigm shift (that means to think outside the box - to change the whole way I'm approaching the issue). What do I want to use relays for? My objective was to set up semaphores for failsafe operation of trains around the complex, intertwined loops on my layout, so somebody other than me can run the trains. Somebody like my biological and adopted grandkids. And somebody like me so I can talk to my guests while the trains are running; without the semaphores, I have to keep a close eye on things. The classical use of a semaphore is to unblock a stopped train when the train ahead moves out of its block. That's easy to do as long as you don't have any switches between the train that moved and the blocked train. But I don't have any stretches of track that long. For example, if a train moves off my upslope, we can release the blocked train at the bottom of the slope IF the switch at the bottom of the slope would send the train up the slope. But if the switch is flipped the other way, it will send the train into the lower loop, which may hold a stopped train. The solution I came up with was a set of double-throw relays that mirror the switches and are activated by the same controls that flip the switches. When the switch flips to the red track, the corresponding relay flips to the red side because its coil is wired to the red terminal on the switch. Similarly, the relay flips green when the switch flips green. The electrical path through the relays mirrors the track path through the switches, so the signal from each track trip will go only to the appropriate semaphore. Neat solution if you have 18VAC relays, or the $1.79 device one of you told me about to drive a 12VDC relay. So far the $1.79 device is the winning solution. Anybody got a better idea? Or an even better way of thinking outside my box? My next problem is the track trips. I've been talking to Doug Peck about alternatives. (By the way, if you've never done business with Doug, I HIGHLY recommend him - what a great guy!) I can't use the classical 697 track trips because they have to sit on the tabletop and several of mine need to be in my trestle slopes. And all my flat track is in rubber roadbed. Bye bye 697s. I hope Doug or one of you can come up with some idea that's cheaper than the Lionel infra-red sensors! Thanks for your help. Bob Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: To: s-trains list From: Robert Graves Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:21:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [S-Trains] relays Does anyone know where I can get some relays that can be flipped by the 18 volt AC current of a Gilbert transformer? All the local electronics stores say nobody makes such a beast. Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34792	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: Re my question on relays

I have used track trips mounted under the table. Just wire them to the rails with a solder connection instead of attaching directly to the rails. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re my question on relays > Thanks to all who sent ideas and web links, but especially thanks to those who asked questions and caused me to ponder a paradigm shift (that means to think outside the box - to change the whole way I'm approaching the issue). > > What do I want to use relays for? My objective was to set up semaphores for failsafe operation of trains around the complex, intertwined loops on my layout, so somebody other than me can run the trains. Somebody like my biological and adopted grandkids. And somebody like me so I can talk to my guests while the trains are running; without the semaphores, I have to keep a close eye on things. > > The classical use of a semaphore is to unblock a stopped train when the train ahead moves out of its block. That's easy to do as long as you don't have any switches between the train that moved and the blocked train. But I don't have any stretches of track that long. For example, if a train moves off my upslope, we can release the blocked train at the bottom of the slope IF the switch at the bottom of the slope would send the train up the slope. But if the switch is flipped the other way, it will send the train into the lower loop, which may hold a stopped train. > > The solution I came up with was a set of double-throw relays that mirror the switches and are activated by the same controls that flip the switches. When the switch flips to the red track, the corresponding relay flips to the red side because its coil is wired to the red terminal on the switch. Similarly, the relay flips green when the switch flips green. The electrical path through the relays mirrors the track path through the switches, so the signal from each track trip will go only to the appropriate semaphore. Neat solution if you have 18VAC relays, or the $1.79 device one of you told me about to drive a 12VDC relay. So far the $1.79 device is the winning solution. Anybody got a better idea? Or an even better way of thinking outside my box? > > My next problem is the track trips. I've been talking to Doug Peck about alternatives. (By the way, if you've never done business with Doug, I HIGHLY recommend him - what a great guy!) I can't use the classical 697 track trips because they have to sit on the tabletop and several of mine need to be in my trestle slopes. And all my flat track is in rubber roadbed. Bye bye 697s. I hope Doug or one of you can come up with some idea that's cheaper than the Lionel infra-red sensors! > > Thanks for your help. > > Bob > > > Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > To: s-trains list > From: Robert Graves > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:21:19 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [S-Trains] relays > > > > Does anyone know where I can get some relays that can be flipped by the 18 volt AC current of a Gilbert transformer? All the local electronics stores say nobody makes such a beast. > > Thanks. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34793	From: John G	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: Bell for 759 Bell Danger Signal

> Anyone know how to repair cracked bell housings for the 759 or where you can get a replacement bell? Fred, I think you will have to replace the bell. I tried to solder or bronze a cracked bell and it didn't work. I was able to buy a replacement bell from one of the Flyer parts vendors. I also have heard you can use a copper plumbing end cap as a bell. John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34794	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: Bell for 759 Bell Danger Signal

A 3/4 inch copper pipe cap works......Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34795	From: trainman634	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: S-Helper Track Question

I have a question for the members using S-Helper track on their layouts. How do you mount the S-Helper track to your train table?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34796	From: gchidester@mail.manti.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track Question

I am still in temporary mode for the time being, but I have made marks on my foam base where I laid the track and after many hours there has been no movement. I do plan to use a few drops of hot glue when I lay it permanently. gary > > > > I have a question for the members using S-Helper track on their > layouts. How do you mount the S-Helper track to your train table? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34797	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Grading

I noticed on a auction listing for a auction house for AF trains on Ebay, their system of grading trains was using the letter C with a range of numbers after the letter C from 1 to 10. I was wondering how they or someone came up with a separate grade for E plus and LN minus, as example, as I would think something that is E plus is really LN minus, as this is almost like the range of sharps and flats in Music. F flat is C sharp, C flat is G sharp and so on in the realm of music. So wouldn't E plus be the same as LN minus? But maybe this something that is new to me. Just curious to any thoughts. Oh for anyone in music, the way to remember the order of Sharps, as I was told this in Jr High in 1966 and I never heard this again from anyone else, is Fat Cat Goes Downtown After Eating Breakfast. Flats are in reverse of course. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34798	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: short circuit

I'm using a 22090 transformer on my layout. Up till today it performed very well, in fact we ran trains most of sunday with it with no problems. Today I wanted to move a train from the rear to the front and the circuit breaker kicked in. Checked for a derailment, found none, reset CB and it kicked again. Checked all the tracks, switches etc and found nothing. Removed the engine completely, and it kicked off again. Could it be the transformer? I do not know how long it's been used on the layout, but I've owned it 7 years. Thoughts? Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34799	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Grading add on

I do realize that the number 10 is the highest grade and one is the lowest, but I don't understand that a plus and a minus would have a separate grade for any condition. Again, to me, E+ is the same as LN minus. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34800	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: S-Helper Track Question

I attached track to plywood. I used silicon RTV on some, Hot Glue on some and, Caulking Adhesive on some. I put it on and held it down with books till adhesive cured. All of them held great. When I Wanted to move a section the RTV area pulled up cleanly and the RTV peeled off the track section cleanly and ready to go to its new location in seconds. The Hot glue and the adhesive caulking I used both stuck too well to the track and the plywood and was very tough to separate from both ripping the top layer of ply and having to be cut off the track with an exacto knife. I tried a sample of liquid nails and it was even worse. Sooooooo try a little sample of you want to use first and try to remove it also. Remember your mileage may vary. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > I have a question for the members using S-Helper track on their > layouts. How do you mount the S-Helper track to your train table? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34801	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: short circuit

Found cause of the short. Previous owner had put a series of track deadening blocks around the layout and one shorted out. Thanks for all the advice. Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34802	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/2/2005
Subject: Re: short circuit

Ed, Disconnect the wires from your transformer and see if the power stays on when you power it back up. If it trips then that's indication of some internal problem in the transformer. Second test, make up a dummy load of one or two 18 volt lamps. Connect these across your base post to your 15 volt post. If the lamps stay on the xfrmr winding is ok. Third test, connect lamps from base post to your 7-15 volt post. Vary your output, if lamps glow dim to bright this will indicate the wipe arm is ok. If these tests prove ok and you have an ohm meter check for shorts in your track system. If your using AF track you may have a paper insulator between the track and tie that has come lose or some problem with a switch. Transformers are rugged machines and if used at 75% capacity or less, they seldomly fail. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, marpack57@a... wrote: > > I'm using a 22090 transformer on my layout. Up till today it performed very > well, in fact we ran trains most of sunday with it with no problems. Today I > wanted to move a train from the rear to the front and the circuit breaker kicked > in. Checked for a derailment, found none, reset CB and it kicked again. > Checked all the tracks, switches etc and found nothing. Removed the engine > completely, and it kicked off again. Could it be the transformer? I do not know how > long it's been used on the layout, but I've owned it 7 years. Thoughts? > Ed > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34803	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: New Showcase Line Cars from S Helper Service

Two new USRA Double Sheathed 40' Boxcars are now available, and posted on the Showcaseline website. First is a Duluth, South Shore and Atlantic, and the second a Northwestern Pacific "Redwood Empire Route", a really beautiful car available in two numbers. Here's a direct link, they are the top two cars on the page: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexDSBoxcars.html Also just posted are two wooden reefers, a Western Pacific/Pacific Fruit Express available in 2 numbers, and a Santa Fe California Super Chief. Here's the link to them: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexReefers.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34804	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: AF 370 GM GP-7

I purchased a 371 similar shape with excessive front truck movement. remove truck covers and then the body shell. Look for retaining clip on front truck. Mine was missing. A shim may have to get added to the post where the "c" clip goes to remove part of the clearance from wear and use. This clearance caused the front to rear float. You will have to unsolder the wires to get additional shim on. I also discovered on mine that the field was loose and binding on the armature. This one almost got me committed. There are two screws between the truck wheels on either side. The "U" shaped bracket that goes over the front truck screws can be spread slightly to allow the front truck to be removed from the bracket. There are two small set screws at either side of the top of the inner truck bracket. make sure they are snug, and the armature still rotates freely. They are used to hold the field where it does not contact the armature. Move field around with your fingers to center over the armature and tighten screws. Do not overtighten them. check wiring connections, clearance from the field to the brush tension springs, brush springs, brush tension. and do not over oil, especially on the brush side. there should be felt pads on the bottom of the trucks at the holes in the truck side cover bracket. A few drops of oil on the pads until the absorbtion slow down. these felt pads wick into the oilite bushings for the armature, which is sufficient. Best cleaner I've found Good luck and welcome to AF diesels. PA units are very similar. Most suppliers of AF replacement parts, Portlines, RFG, etc... if you need spacers, shims, brushes, or clips. They will help. Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "fiantoni" <Frank.I.Antonides@d...> wrote: > > > I just picked up an AF 370 GM GP-7 on E-Bay. A quick diagostic looks > like it will run with some cleaning. The front motorized truck seems > to be loose and is sliding back and forth somewhat along the length > of the train. I assume this is not normal. > > Any pointers before I start dissassembling this new toy would be > appreciated. This is my first AF Diesel so I am looking forward to > learning what makes them tick. > > Thanks to all for the advice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34805	From: robbyking13	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Don't forget to vote in the K-Line poll...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: Vote for only one of the first two questions and all/any/none of the other five. O I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby O Don't like it at all _______________________ The percentage of answers to these two questions should be seperate from the percentage of answers to the other questions about which items would be bought. As it stands now it is 74 to 8, which make the percentage that do not like the locos/sets at a little over 10%. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34806	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes

***(((F flat is C sharp, C flat is G sharp and so on in the realm of music.))))*** Barb, help me out here!! Seems to me,...a Fb is an E.....and a Cb is a B. This could change the whole grading curve!!! ;^) It's late as I type this......am I missing something ?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34807	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

Wrong the K-line cars are the same quality as Lionel AF cars, with better trucks. 50 year old dies. That is why I buy SHS and AM. The point is it is the same amount of plastic and paint as Lionel. The Marx tank car has as much detail as the AF tank car with more plastic and better trucks for less money. So you compare Lionel Flyer with K-line and SHS with AM. In any case you can buy the Cadillac of S for the same price as Lionel Flyer, so why buy Lionel Flyer? By the way I drive a Buick for quality and not price. I do not need the name AF to buy. Lionel people have been buying Marx and Kusan for 20 years. Now lets compare K-line S gauge track to Lionel's? So Lionel needs to stop the price gouging on 50 year old dies made in china. l --- Rfgco <aolgroup@...> wrote: > Some of you may know that K-Line introduced some S > Gauge Cars and has now announced some additional > cars and steam engines. These are all old Marx > trains fitted with S Gauge trucks and chassis. > > Other than the fact that for years, Flyer > enthusiasts made fun of Marx and Lionel trains for > them being out of scale, short, stubby and toy like, > some Flyer buyers have hailed this new line of "S", > as being a God send. > > These are the very same folks who try and reinvent > the wheel to save a dime. > > There are at least 2 Quality "S" Trains lines out > there. And that is Quality with a Capital "Q", S > Helper Service and American Models. Both make High > Quality products that are to scale and worth every > bit of what they charge for them. > > In addition, the K-Line cars and engines are so wide > and out of scale, that they will not operate with a > variety of original American Flyer items. > > Many people have criticized Lionel for simply > rerunning original American Flyer, from "the old > worn out molds', yet are applauding K-Line for > rerunning old Marx and slapping "S" trucks on them. > The only difference, you guessed it, PRICE! > > So the bottom line is, THEY want it cheap, excellent > quality and fast. A Cadillac for the price of a > Chevy. > > Real Quality takes time, an investment and thought. > And no doubt you should expect to pay for it. > > In the short run, the K-Line products may promote > some sales of "S", but in the long run, they are not > representative of what A.C. Gilbert had in mind, > "Top Quality, Scale Model Trains". > > RFG > > > > > > Group Web Page: See latest messages, photos and more > http://groups.aol.com/rfgamericanflyer > Too Much E-mail? Change your Group e-mail settings > http://groups.aol.com/_mysettings?alias=rfgamericanflyer > > Too much Group e-mail? Find out how to stop it here: > http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_preview.adp > > DO MORE WITH YOUR GROUPS > - Find new Groups to join: > http://groups.aol.com/_browse?catid=1 > - Change E-mail Settings: > http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_preview.adp > - Avoid E-mail Scams: > http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_safety.adp > > GET MORE FEATURES WITH AOL! > Start your own Groups, enter Group chats and meet > more members of AOL's community. Get 1000 > free hours for 45 days here: > http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?124641&sid=i50 > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34808	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes

Rick, Okay, I goofed on the music example, but I hope the point was taken, as SOME sharps and flats are the same note, as I realize now that some sharps and flats are not! Clarinet players are like that at times. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grading & Musical notes > > > ***(((F flat is C sharp, C flat is G sharp and so on in the realm of music.))))*** > > > Barb, help me out here!! > Seems to me,...a Fb is an E.....and a Cb is a B. This could change the whole grading curve!!! ;^) > It's late as I type this......am I missing something ?? > > > Rick. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34809	From: beebear	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes

I don't know much about music notes except...... If you don't C sharp..... you will B flat ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grading & Musical notes Rick, Okay, I goofed on the music example, but I hope the point was taken, as SOME sharps and flats are the same note, as I realize now that some sharps and flats are not! Clarinet players are like that at times. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grading & Musical notes > > > ***(((F flat is C sharp, C flat is G sharp and so on in the realm of music.))))*** > > > Barb, help me out here!! > Seems to me,...a Fb is an E.....and a Cb is a B. This could change the whole grading curve!!! ;^) > It's late as I type this......am I missing something ?? > > > Rick. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34810	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

In a message dated 3/3/2005 7:27:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, aztecfan@... writes: Wrong the K-line cars are the same quality as Lionel AF cars, with better trucks. 50 year old dies. That is why I buy SHS and AM. Respectfully disagree to this extent: 1. The old Gilbert tooling yields up a scale-sized pieces of rolling stock of recognizable prototypes. K-Line's tooling yields up 0-27 fantasy trains regauged with copies of SHS trucks. The question, actually, is "K-Line?", not Lionel. But since it keeps coming up: 2. K-Line is not offering the Brownhoist crane, the boom car to match the cranes, and the depressed center flat cars (with new chassis tooling, by the way). The crane and the flat chassis are quality diecastings. 3. K-Line is not offering the very affordable reintroduction of Gilbert accessories, the hand car, Smitty the Walking Brakeman, etc., etc., etc. 4. K-Line is definitely not offering the fabulous new AF Mikado! They could have done the "Little Boy" in kinda S-scale (as they were literally begged to do!!) and been heroes. But, K-Line has been shown up by the new AF 2-8-2, and will be ( I wager) by the SHS Consolidations. I like the SHS rolling stock, too, and I'd rather buy one quality SHS reefer than two K-Line whatchamacallits. One can mix SHS with Gilbert or Gilbert-derived rolling stock and engines, but the K-Line 0-27 stuff usually looks out of place. I also agree (by your implication) the AF rolling stock is priced too high, although one can shop around for deep discounts. For what it is worth. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34811	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading & Musical notes

Rick, You've got it exactly right. F flat is E and C flat is B. I think Mike was referring to all other notes where the # and flat are the same note. An example of this is B flat which is the same as A # (sharp) and A flat is G # (sharp). If you stick to these rules, there are no sour notes. ;-) Barb Rick Evans wrote: > ***(((F flat is C sharp, C flat is G sharp and so on in the realm of music.))))*** > > Barb, help me out here!! > Seems to me,...a Fb is an E.....and a Cb is a B. This could change the whole grading curve!!! ;^) > It's late as I type this......am I missing something ?? > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34812	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: China Flyer items

I hear the new SANTA FE PB rail sound units and extra cars are in the hobby shops. --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34813	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading

***(((I was wondering how they or someone came up with a separate grade for E plus and LN minus, as example, as I would think something that is E plus is really LN minus, as this is almost like the range of sharps and flats in Music.)))**** And speaking of grading,....how about in school? Is an "A-" better then a "B+"....or are they the same? Does the A- just LOOK better? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34814	From: John Foley	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Another plug for S

Hi Folks Craig O'Connell's "S" Scale Model Railroading website http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/sscale.html has been chosen as one of the top ten sites of the year by Model Railroading magazine. You can read about it the April issue pages 22-24. Way to go Craig. BTW Craig was also the winner of the first Josh Seltzer/NASG website award John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34815	From: Phil K	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: K-Line poll update

Here is the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Please vote for only one of the first two questions and all/any/none of the other five. We are looking at vote totals only. Pay no attention to the percentages listed or the man behind the curtain, Dorothy, as they don't work for the way I set this up -- I did it this way for simplicity, so we didn't have to vote in two different polls. I'll figure out percentages when the poll is closed, but right now the exit polls are showing slightly over 90 percent (74 of 82 voters) see it as "great for the S gauge hobby"). I also have votes from two members who were unable to get into the poll for some reason, but gave their votes to me in email (both voted "yes" to the first question), so that number is actually 76 against 8 "don't like" votes. More than half of the voters intend to purchase at least one locomotive -- and that figure is probably higher. When the poll closes, I will do an private inventory of email responses to get the accurate numbers of how many individual members intend to purchase at least one locomotive. Could run as high as 70 percent. Here are the questions: VOTE FOR ONE: O I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby O Don't like it at all VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: O Would buy a Pacific steamer O Would buy a Porter O Would buy a Plymouth O Would buy a set for myself O Would buy a set for a kid as a gift Poll results as of 1 pm 03-03-05 after 82 voters: I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby -- 74 Don't like it at all -- 8 Would buy a Pacific steamer -- 40 Would buy a Porter -- 36 Would buy a Plymouth -- 42 Would buy a set for myself -- 16 Would buy a set for a kid as a gift -- 39 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34816	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Congrats

Super site, Craig. A well-deserved recognition. Thanks for being such a great resource and promoter for all of us in the s-gauge world. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34817	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Grading

Rick: You don't really want to go there - believe me. I know of a Big Ten College of Education faculty that debated grading for over two hours. In the end, an A- from one instructor may not/probably doesn't "equal" the same grade from another instructor - it might not even reflect as high a proficiency as a "B" grade from some real tough graders. In the end, it probably only matters to the instructor and maybe the parents of the student because in when the student becomes an employee what they carry in their head is the only thing that matters - not what they carry on their grade reports. Told you you didn't want to go there.... :) Steve On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Rick Evans wrote: > > > ***(((I was wondering how they or someone came up with a separate > grade for E plus and LN minus, as example, as I would think something > that is E plus is really LN minus, as this is almost like the range of > sharps and flats in Music.)))**** > > And speaking of grading,....how about in school? > > Is an "A-" better then a "B+"....or are they the same? Does the A- > just LOOK better? > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34818	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Another plug for S

Congratulations Craig! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34819	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Ebay ethics

I came across a Ebay auction and here is a copy of the description of the item. But the seller says he has the right to end the auction early if no bids are received. Is this a ploy to get the bidding going early or getting the price higher due to competitive bidding, as many auctions get busy in the last hour. Is this allowed to end a auction for not a very good reason like this? Just curious on this thought. Mike AMERICAN FLYER # 24638 BAY WINDOW CABOOSE NR Made in 1962. This is a nice clean car. In very good condition. Please look at the LARGER pictures before bidding. If you see something that I missed, please let me know so I can amend the description or fix the problem. If you need to see something specific I will try to get a better pic of it. All requests must be made at least 24 hrs. before end of auction. All items sold "as is".I reserve the right to end this auction early if it has no bids. Don't plan on waiting untill the last few minutes to bid. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34820	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: ding ding ding danger bell wire

I need to replace the coil on a danger bell , where can I get the wire? Keith __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34821	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics

I better hurry up and bid on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34822	From: roy inman	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

Bob, et al, I would not buy the new K-Line either-for me. To run around the tree for the grandkids to play with, yep. Or as a B-day, holiday gift for the same grands, yep. And on balance, the K-Line steamers are not intended to compete head to head with the Mikado or SHS. They are aimed at a market segment that will pay $149.00 (list) for good quality with sound and smoke, but will not pay $500+ for the same sound unit (Mikado and K-Line are both Lionel Railsounds equipped) but with better detailing. But hey, the reason there are different products at different price points is because there are different consumers, right? Cheers :) Roy Inman on 3/3/05 9:09 AM, rbubeck327@... at rbubeck327@... wrote: > > 4. K-Line is definitely not offering the fabulous new AF Mikado! They could > have done the "Little Boy" in kinda S-scale (as they were literally begged to > do!!) and been heroes. But, K-Line has been shown up by the new AF 2-8-2, and > will be ( I wager) by the SHS Consolidations. > > I like the SHS rolling stock, too, and I'd rather buy one quality SHS reefer > than two K-Line whatchamacallits. One can mix SHS with Gilbert or > Gilbert-derived rolling stock and engines, but the K-Line 0-27 stuff usually > looks out of > place. I also agree (by your implication) the AF rolling stock is priced too > high, although one can shop around for deep discounts. > > For what it is worth. > > Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34823	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: S Gaugian Comment

I got my new issue of S Gaugian today and they had a small editorial blur about, how, we who collect AF, should not be caught up in Ebay, as they claim things sold on Ebay go for 2 times the price they should. Yes, sometimes things do get hectic, but that is not true all the time. For example I just won on Ebay last month a LN 25052 Caboose for $127 and a Bethlehem Steel Gondola with the real load in E+ for 110. In TM, the Caboose would be 227 and the Gondola would be 195. Makes me a happy camper. Also a 994 UP Stock in E went for 147 in February. In TM that is a 260. (I got one of these at a Bed and Breakfast in Maine one year for 110! A train Shoppe and a B&B?! O:)! And owned by two women! Good for them!) I can give you more examples of things like this. So I think the S Gaugian comment is not correct, as things at shows can be overpriced too. It is all about timing. Also, as a collector, Ebay gives me opportunity to search for a item I am looking for all over the country. I don't see S Gaugian discounting Lionel and MTH new items. So maybe they should practice what they preach too. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34824	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics

I didn't know pulling a item during the auction process is valid on ebay, just because there is no bidding going on to the satisfaction to the seller. Trying to hype up the sale maybe? Wrong. A auction is a auction. If he is afraid of not getting enough money for this, then he needs to use a reserve price for his protection. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > the buyer owns the car, if no one bids and he pulls it that's his business. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:36 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > > > > > > > > I came across a Ebay auction and here is a copy of the description of the > item. But the seller says he has the right to end the auction early if no > bids are received. Is this a ploy to get the bidding going early or getting > the price higher due to competitive bidding, as many auctions get busy in > the last hour. Is this allowed to end a auction for not a very good reason > like this? > > > > Just curious on this thought. > > > > Mike > > > > AMERICAN FLYER # 24638 BAY WINDOW CABOOSE NR > > > > > > > > Made in 1962. This is a nice clean car. In very good condition. > > > > Please look at the LARGER pictures before bidding. > > > > If you see something that I missed, please let me know so I can amend the > description or fix the problem. If you need to see something specific I will > try to get a better pic of it. All requests must be made at least 24 hrs. > before end of auction. All items sold "as is".I reserve the right to end > this auction early if it has no bids. Don't plan on waiting untill the last > few minutes to bid. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34825	From: John Foley	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: NASG/AM HW Pasenger cars

Hi Folks In case you are thinking of purchasing one of the NASG heavy weight passenger cars here is what's left. Tuscan I have five 10-1-2's in stock. no 12-1's Two tone gray & Canadian National cars I have a fair anmout of both body styles in stock. For More info www.nasg.org John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34826	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics

I just look at all of his bids, and he is doing this with everything he is selling. Murph52 is the seller. I don't think that is the way ebay operates. If I am wrong, that I am sorry that stirred something up. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > the buyer owns the car, if no one bids and he pulls it that's his business. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:36 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > > > > > > > > I came across a Ebay auction and here is a copy of the description of the > item. But the seller says he has the right to end the auction early if no > bids are received. Is this a ploy to get the bidding going early or getting > the price higher due to competitive bidding, as many auctions get busy in > the last hour. Is this allowed to end a auction for not a very good reason > like this? > > > > Just curious on this thought. > > > > Mike > > > > AMERICAN FLYER # 24638 BAY WINDOW CABOOSE NR > > > > > > > > Made in 1962. This is a nice clean car. In very good condition. > > > > Please look at the LARGER pictures before bidding. > > > > If you see something that I missed, please let me know so I can amend the > description or fix the problem. If you need to see something specific I will > try to get a better pic of it. All requests must be made at least 24 hrs. > before end of auction. All items sold "as is".I reserve the right to end > this auction early if it has no bids. Don't plan on waiting untill the last > few minutes to bid. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34827	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

Don I know that the currect K-line cars are a little bigger then AF, they have a S box car and cattle car and tender that they are not making that are 1/64. The point I am making is they are selling because of price and it is not bccause they use cheaper paint, plastic, or trucks then lionel. The point is your trains are scale and better then Lionels. I am saying I do not see where Lionel should be charging so much for cars that have no more detail then K-line irregarless of size and are also 50 years old. --- Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Dear James, You are missing the point. Most AF bodies are S SCALE, K-Line is notany scale and too large for S. Most of us are in "S" because the were advertisedas being 3/16" scale, not because they were cheap. Marx was always cheaperbut our parents wanted something different. Don JAMES SLEETH wrote: Wrong the K-line cars are the same quality as LionelAF cars, with better trucks. 50 year old dies. Thatis why I buy SHS and AM. The point is it is the sameamount of plastic and paint as Lionel. The Marx tankcar has as much detail as the AF tank car with moreplastic and better trucks for less money. So youcompare Lionel Flyer with K-line and SHS with AM. Inany case you can buy the Cadillac of S for the sameprice as Lionel Flyer, so why buy Lionel Flyer?By the way I drive a Buick for quality and not price.I do not need the name AF to buy. Lionel people havebeen buying Marx and Kusan for 20 years.Now lets compare K-line S gauge track to Lionel's? So Lionel needs to stop the price gouging on 50 yearold dies made in china.l--- Rfgco <aolgroup@...> wrote: Some of you may know that K-Line introduced some SGauge Cars and has now announced some additionalcars and steam engines. These are all old Marxtrains fitted with S Gauge trucks and chassis.Other than the fact that for years, Flyerenthusiasts made fun of Marx and Lionel trains forthem being out of scale, short, stubby and toy like,some Flyer buyers have hailed this new line of "S",as being a God send.These are the very same folks who try and reinventthe wheel to save a dime.There are at least 2 Quality "S" Trains lines outthere. And that is Quality with a Capital "Q", SHelper Service and American Models. Both make HighQuality products that are to scale and worth everybit of what they charge for them.In addition, the K-Line cars and engines are so wideand out of scale, that they will not operate with avariety of original American Flyer items.Many people have criticized Lionel for simplyrerunning original American Flyer, from "the oldworn out molds', yet are applauding K-Line forrerunning old Marx and slapping "S" trucks on them.The only difference, you guessed it, PRICE!So the bottom line is, THEY want it cheap, excellentquality and fast. A Cadillac for the price of aChevy.Real Quality takes time, an investment and thought.And no doubt you should expect to pay for it.In the short run, the K-Line products may promotesome sales of "S", but in the long run, they are notrepresentative of what A.C. Gilbert had in mind,"Top Quality, Scale Model Trains".RFG Group Web Page: See latest messages, photos and morehttp://groups.aol.com/rfgamericanflyerToo Much E-mail? Change your Group e-mail settings http://groups.aol.com/_mysettings?alias=rfgamericanflyer Too much Group e-mail? Find out how to stop it here:http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_preview.adpDO MORE WITH YOUR GROUPS- Find new Groups to join:http://groups.aol.com/_browse?catid=1- Change E-mail Settings:http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_preview.adp- Avoid E-mail Scams:http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_safety.adpGET MORE FEATURES WITH AOL!Start your own Groups, enter Group chats and meetmore members of AOL's community. Get 1000free hours for 45 days here: http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?124641&sid=i50 __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.comAll the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34828	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

I know that the currect K-line cars are a little bigger, they have a S box car and cattle car and tender that they are not making that are 1/64. The point I am making is they are selling because of price and it is not bccause they use cheaper paint, plastic, or trucks then lionel. The point is your trains are scale and better then Lionels. I am saying I do not see where Lionel should be charging so much for cars that have no more detail then K-line irregarless of size and are also 50 years old. I am not supporting K-line for quality, but I am supporting them as away to put pressure on Lionel to lower their prices. I can't let a kid play with a $50 AF box car when they can play with a $17. We wanted a cheep starter set and Lionel can't do it because they do not even have any track for the biggest S gauge manufacture???? I buy SHS and AM for quality at AF prices. I bought AM before anyone else and always put a deposit up for both AM and SHS to show my support. I will buy K-line for kids to run, that is just for fun. I do not buy much new AF becuase I have everything already. I need another 50 year old box car like I need a hole in my head. My point is not 1/2 inch in size over Lionel Flyer, it is a $30 premium for the name American Flyer. I used to look down on kids that had Marx until I realized as a kid that if that is the only way the could have a train and still have as much fun running it then Maxr served it's purpose. How many of us have BMW's? Yet we all need a car. Jim --- RBubeck327@... wrote: > In a message dated 3/3/2005 7:27:58 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > aztecfan@... writes: > Wrong the K-line cars are the same quality as Lionel > AF cars, with better > trucks. 50 year old dies. That is why I buy SHS > and AM. > Respectfully disagree to this extent: > > 1. The old Gilbert tooling yields up a scale-sized > pieces of rolling stock of > recognizable prototypes. K-Line's tooling yields up > 0-27 fantasy trains > regauged with copies of SHS trucks. > > The question, actually, is "K-Line?", not Lionel. > But since it keeps coming > up: > > 2. K-Line is not offering the Brownhoist crane, the > boom car to match the > cranes, and the depressed center flat cars (with new > chassis tooling, by the > way). The crane and the flat chassis are quality > diecastings. > > 3. K-Line is not offering the very affordable > reintroduction of Gilbert > accessories, the hand car, Smitty the Walking > Brakeman, etc., etc., etc. > > 4. K-Line is definitely not offering the fabulous > new AF Mikado! They could > have done the "Little Boy" in kinda S-scale (as they > were literally begged to > do!!) and been heroes. But, K-Line has been shown up > by the new AF 2-8-2, and > will be ( I wager) by the SHS Consolidations. > > I like the SHS rolling stock, too, and I'd rather > buy one quality SHS reefer > than two K-Line whatchamacallits. One can mix SHS > with Gilbert or > Gilbert-derived rolling stock and engines, but the > K-Line 0-27 stuff usually looks out of > place. I also agree (by your implication) the AF > rolling stock is priced too > high, although one can shop around for deep > discounts. > > For what it is worth. > > Bob Bubeck > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34829	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics

the buyer owns the car, if no one bids and he pulls it that's his business. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > > > I came across a Ebay auction and here is a copy of the description of the item. But the seller says he has the right to end the auction early if no bids are received. Is this a ploy to get the bidding going early or getting the price higher due to competitive bidding, as many auctions get busy in the last hour. Is this allowed to end a auction for not a very good reason like this? > > Just curious on this thought. > > Mike > > AMERICAN FLYER # 24638 BAY WINDOW CABOOSE NR > > > > Made in 1962. This is a nice clean car. In very good condition. > > Please look at the LARGER pictures before bidding. > > If you see something that I missed, please let me know so I can amend the description or fix the problem. If you need to see something specific I will try to get a better pic of it. All requests must be made at least 24 hrs. before end of auction. All items sold "as is".I reserve the right to end this auction early if it has no bids. Don't plan on waiting untill the last few minutes to bid. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34830	From: Phil K	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian Comment

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > I got my new issue of S Gaugian today and they had a small editorial blur about, how, we who collect AF, should not be caught up in Ebay, as they claim things sold on Ebay go for 2 times the price they should. > Yes, sometimes things do get hectic, but that is not true all the time.< I agree 110 percent, Mike. Apparently someone at S Gaugian doesn't understand what an auction is. I've not gotten my copy yet, but from what you write it sounds like they're getting a bit too preachy. Speaking for myself here, I see no need for anyone to assume the role of "S-Gauge Police" in a free and open marketplace. eBay isn't the only place to buy S, and no one is forcing you or me or anyone else to shop there. In fact, no one is stopping S Gaugian from selling its inventory there at the full MSRP, either, like they do in the magazine. So as a subscriber, I'll thank S-Gaugian to stick to its job of promoting S scale and reporting the news and leave the choice of purchasing options to us. Any of us who patrol eBay regularly are looking for 1.) bargains; and 2.) things we would like for our collection and can't find anywhere else. I watch and buy on eBay for both reasons. As long as we're sorta on the topic, I was kinda bothered in the last edition of The Dispatch where they ran an announcement about a few more S manufacturers signing up with Union Pacific's licensing program -- then at the end, there was a comment saying something to the effect of "now if only the rest of the S gauge manufacturers would follow suit." Not good. Not good at all. As a member of NASG, I'm not thrilled with one of their writers tagging their own personal opinion to a news story like that, if that's what it is. In my opinion, it surely doesn't belong. That type of opinion should be expressed in a stand-alone editorial commentary with a complete explanation of why that statement is being made. My question is: Is that NASG's official stance on the UP licensing program, or is it the writer's? I hope the mission of NASG doesn't include sharing its bed with either individual manufacturers or individual railroads -- in this case, a railroad trying to advance a controversial licensing program to extract extra dollars from S manufacturers. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > I got my new issue of S Gaugian today and they had a small editorial blur about, how, we who collect AF, should not be caught up in Ebay, as they claim things sold on Ebay go for 2 times the price they should. > Yes, sometimes things do get hectic, but that is not true all the time.< > For example I just won on Ebay last month a LN 25052 Caboose for $127 and a Bethlehem Steel Gondola with the real load in E+ for 110. > > In TM, the Caboose would be 227 and the Gondola would be 195. Makes me a happy camper. > > Also a 994 UP Stock in E went for 147 in February. In TM that is a 260. (I got one of these at a Bed and Breakfast in Maine one year for 110! A train Shoppe and a B&B?! O:)! And owned by two women! Good for them!) > > I can give you more examples of things like this. > > So I think the S Gaugian comment is not correct, as things at shows can be overpriced too. > > It is all about timing. > > Also, as a collector, Ebay gives me opportunity to search for a item I am looking for all over the country. > > I don't see S Gaugian discounting Lionel and MTH new items. So maybe they should practice what they preach too. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34831	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

Hi Here is a question for you. K-line is making cars before getting orders? They are taking more risk? Also they are giving better selection. Until this year I did not see any selection in AF cabooses. Like I told their marketing guy 15 years ago. I will die before they make the right road name I need for a caboose. Also are they not stocking cars that can be bough all year rather then have to buy everything with in a 30 day period in AF or else miss out on what you want. I have the problem of money coming in all year and not just when New AF comes out each year. I know I have a better chance at getting what I want from AM and SHS because they are likely to make the came car or engine for more then one year. IE a Santa Fe F3 or F7. I am a cost accountant. So I am sure Lionel is selling more cars the K-line and the are both made in China, with the same plastic and paint and labor cost. So the AF die is S Gauge, but that has nothing to do with price, only details. Right? I think this is great that we are talking about the future of S and that K-line is helping. I bought their latrge radis curves when the first came out. So how many of us are running our AF trains on new K-line track? I* remember when we were worried that they would stop making track, becuase we need good track without the rust. Best Jim --- "RFGCO.com" <service@...> wrote: > I'm sorry, either I have miss your point or you > mine. > > My comments were about the half witted comments > being made by those hailing > the introduction of K-Line (Marx) "S". > > Seems these folks will accept anything, so long as > it is cheap. > > Lionel may be over priced, but that is not the > issue. They are pricing based > on the number of units sold, not what you think it > should cost. Not how much > plastic or paint is involved. > > My comments were directed at those who talk about > scale and detail and then > buy based on price. > > RFG > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > To: "Rfgco" <aolgroup@...>; > <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:02 AM > Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel > "S" on the HIGH! > > > > Wrong the K-line cars are the same quality as > Lionel > > AF cars, with better trucks. 50 year old dies. > That > > is why I buy SHS and AM. The point is it is the > same > > amount of plastic and paint as Lionel. The Marx > tank > > car has as much detail as the AF tank car with > more > > plastic and better trucks for less money. So you > > compare Lionel Flyer with K-line and SHS with AM. > In > > any case you can buy the Cadillac of S for the > same > > price as Lionel Flyer, so why buy Lionel Flyer? > > By the way I drive a Buick for quality and not > price. > > I do not need the name AF to buy. Lionel people > have > > been buying Marx and Kusan for 20 years. > > Now lets compare K-line S gauge track to Lionel's? > > So Lionel needs to stop the price gouging on 50 > year > > old dies made in china. > > l > > --- Rfgco <aolgroup@...> wrote: > >> Some of you may know that K-Line introduced some > S > >> Gauge Cars and has now announced some additional > >> cars and steam engines. These are all old Marx > >> trains fitted with S Gauge trucks and chassis. > >> > >> Other than the fact that for years, Flyer > >> enthusiasts made fun of Marx and Lionel trains > for > >> them being out of scale, short, stubby and toy > like, > >> some Flyer buyers have hailed this new line of > "S", > >> as being a God send. > >> > >> These are the very same folks who try and > reinvent > >> the wheel to save a dime. > >> > >> There are at least 2 Quality "S" Trains lines out > >> there. And that is Quality with a Capital "Q", S > >> Helper Service and American Models. Both make > High > >> Quality products that are to scale and worth > every > >> bit of what they charge for them. > >> > >> In addition, the K-Line cars and engines are so > wide > >> and out of scale, that they will not operate with > a > >> variety of original American Flyer items. > >> > >> Many people have criticized Lionel for simply > >> rerunning original American Flyer, from "the old > >> worn out molds', yet are applauding K-Line for > >> rerunning old Marx and slapping "S" trucks on > them. > >> The only difference, you guessed it, PRICE! > >> > >> So the bottom line is, THEY want it cheap, > excellent > >> quality and fast. A Cadillac for the price of a > >> Chevy. > >> > >> Real Quality takes time, an investment and > thought. > >> And no doubt you should expect to pay for it. > >> > >> In the short run, the K-Line products may promote > >> some sales of "S", but in the long run, they are > not > >> representative of what A.C. Gilbert had in mind, > >> "Top Quality, Scale Model Trains". > >> > >> RFG > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Group Web Page: See latest messages, photos and > more > >> http://groups.aol.com/rfgamericanflyer > >> Too Much E-mail? Change your Group e-mail > settings > >> > > > http://groups.aol.com/_mysettings?alias=rfgamericanflyer > >> > >> Too much Group e-mail? Find out how to stop it > here: > >> http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_preview.adp > >> > >> DO MORE WITH YOUR GROUPS > >> - Find new Groups to join: > >> http://groups.aol.com/_browse?catid=1 > >> - Change E-mail Settings: > >> http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_preview.adp > >> - Avoid E-mail Scams: > >> http://aolsvc.aol.com/groups/groups_safety.adp > >> > >> GET MORE FEATURES WITH AOL! > >> Start your own Groups, enter Group chats and meet > >> more members of AOL's community. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 34832	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Rumors

Heard a couple of rumors at the last train show I attended. First rumor is OTT Machines is no longer making train sound components. This is the manufacturer of American Models electronics. Second rumor is K-Line recently laid off 50 employees and may not produce some of the S Gauge items listed in their 2005 catalog. Any truth to either rumor? Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34833	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics

Ebay rules: Reasons for ending listings early include: Note: Your account will still be charged listing fees (such as the Insertion Fee) if you end your listing early. Consider revising your listing first if there are aspects of it you want to change or improve. * The item is no longer available for sale. * There was an error in the starting price or reserve amount. * There was an error in the listing. * The item was lost or broken. --- louis glumac <lglumac@...> wrote: > > > the buyer owns the car, if no one bids and he pulls > it that's his business. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:36 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > > > > > > > > I came across a Ebay auction and here is a copy of > the description of the > item. But the seller says he has the right to end > the auction early if no > bids are received. Is this a ploy to get the > bidding going early or getting > the price higher due to competitive bidding, as many > auctions get busy in > the last hour. Is this allowed to end a auction for > not a very good reason > like this? > > > > Just curious on this thought. > > > > Mike > > > > AMERICAN FLYER # 24638 BAY WINDOW CABOOSE NR > > > > > > > > Made in 1962. This is a nice clean car. In very > good condition. > > > > Please look at the LARGER pictures before bidding. > > > > If you see something that I missed, please let me > know so I can amend the > description or fix the problem. If you need to see > something specific I will > try to get a better pic of it. All requests must be > made at least 24 hrs. > before end of auction. All items sold "as is".I > reserve the right to end > this auction early if it has no bids. Don't plan on > waiting untill the last > few minutes to bid. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34834	From: conehammer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: ebay and 'catching the spirit of competition'

Ah ebay you have to love it. Recently and I'm sure you all saw it: a beautiful 336 sold for $1,750+. Now this thing was really dropdead gorgeous; I even noticed the beryllium copper( phophor bronze?) wipers on the tender trucks looked brand new. Truly pretty. But 1700 bucks worth? I guess so. A month or two ago somebody paid $443 for an empty box! A box? I'm sorry but I guess I'm not a real A-F/ A C Gilbert fan yet cause I don't see it. A box! I have a number of hobbies which I pursue to some degree of intensity but I've never bought a an empty collectable box in support of any of them. Don't get me wrong I think the chance encounter with a pristine A.C. Gilbert vintage A-F item complete with its original box is marvelous; I'd bite if it's something I want. I haven't seen anything go so far that I couldn't buy it I just want to make sure it's worth it because like it or not our collectables are an investment. They don't need to grow in value of course to be enjoyable but I doubt that $1,700 336 will get run. What do you do with a box valuable enough to feed 50 families in Rwanda for a month? The thing I've seen with ebay is certain people's competitive nature just gets the better of them. I just wonder how much buyer's remorse happens after a costly auction war? DOH! Oft times instead of biding one's time some guys/gals just have to be top dawg on an auction ( very likely the proverbial newbie )the entire duration. It's annoying to see ( but I'm sure heartening to the seller ) an item get bid out of its realistic value, from my vantage point anyway, within hours of being posted. Just chuck your Greenberg's right out the window. But y'know I'll keep going back to play the ebay jig...as will many of you. So Good Luck and have fun bidding; Personal checks, MO/CCs, PayPal, and of course firstborn accepted! Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34835	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Re: Ebay ethics

Funny thing is, he mentions this on all of his auctions. He basically states that the auction may end if he doesn't get what he wants money wise. I don't see that being a reason to end the bid, according to the rules below. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > > > Ebay rules: > > Reasons for ending listings early include: > > Note: Your account will still be charged listing fees > (such as the Insertion Fee) if you end your listing > early. Consider revising your listing first if there > are aspects of it you want to change or improve. > > * The item is no longer available for sale. > * There was an error in the starting price or > reserve amount. > * There was an error in the listing. > * The item was lost or broken. > > --- louis glumac <lglumac@...> wrote: > > > > > > the buyer owns the car, if no one bids and he pulls > > it that's his business. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; > > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > > "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:36 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across a Ebay auction and here is a copy of > > the description of the > > item. But the seller says he has the right to end > > the auction early if no > > bids are received. Is this a ploy to get the > > bidding going early or getting > > the price higher due to competitive bidding, as many > > auctions get busy in > > the last hour. Is this allowed to end a auction for > > not a very good reason > > like this? > > > > > > Just curious on this thought. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > AMERICAN FLYER # 24638 BAY WINDOW CABOOSE NR > > > > > > > > > > > > Made in 1962. This is a nice clean car. In very > > good condition. > > > > > > Please look at the LARGER pictures before bidding. > > > > > > If you see something that I missed, please let me > > know so I can amend the > > description or fix the problem. If you need to see > > something specific I will > > try to get a better pic of it. All requests must be > > made at least 24 hrs. > > before end of auction. All items sold "as is".I > > reserve the right to end > > this auction early if it has no bids. Don't plan on > > waiting untill the last > > few minutes to bid. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34836	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: eBay v. value

Just a thought, friends: As most of us think increasing the number of s-gaugers is a good thing, isn't it also likely that the competition for s-gauge products will increase? And you all know about the law of supply and demand.... :) I find that Greenberg's prices sometimes don't reflect real-time market conditions, and if you want/need an item, you need to hit the pitches thrown, even the curve balls. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34837	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Ebay ethics

Darn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34838	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: display,ebay item

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 34839	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: K-line

It would appear that the majority of the people who have responded to the poll believe that more choices are better. If our beloved "S" is to continue beyond our diminishing existence, we need to bring youth into our hobby. The best way is to have affordable, available, entry sets that can be run, enjoyed, kicked and dropped without fear as to breaking an heirloom, past or present. Seems like this is what AC Gilbert was really all about. What alternatives did we have for starter sets before K-line saw an opportunity and jumped in? Who made an entry set that was affordable, available and durable? Now one is available that I could give my grandkids and they can experience the thrill of being the engineers of their own railroad. Let me quote AC from the 1938 catalog "There is no greater sport in the world that running your own railroad, for you are the engineer at the throttle-the thrill is yours." Kids can learn to count rivets later on in life when they can afford the luxury. Just another half witted opinion, Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34840	From: keefer1	Date: 3/3/2005
Subject: k-line

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 34841	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: ebay and 'catching the spirit of competition'

Everyone sets a different value on their hobby, and most people have one. Anyone can register for ebay and you seldom know who you are bidding against. I feel that if I spend an hours wages on a restorable Pacific engine, I got a good deal. Billy Joel and Frank Sinatra are/were Lionel collectors. What is an hours wages to them? When does a good deal turn expensive for Mcnab or Farve? Some things that you win on eBay, that the condition is exceptional and you did not pay a lot for it, feel lucky. Some things you will never get because of who tuned in.... Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "conehammer" <conehammer@y...> wrote: > > > Ah ebay you have to love it. Recently and I'm sure you all saw it: a > beautiful 336 sold for $1,750+. Now this thing was really dropdead > gorgeous; I even noticed the beryllium copper( phophor bronze?) wipers > on the tender trucks looked brand new. Truly pretty. But 1700 bucks > worth? I guess so. > A month or two ago somebody paid $443 for an empty box! A box? I'm > sorry but I guess I'm not a real A-F/ A C Gilbert fan yet cause I > don't see it. A box! I have a number of hobbies which I pursue to some > degree of intensity but I've never bought a an empty collectable box > in support of any of them. Don't get me wrong I think the chance > encounter with a pristine A.C. Gilbert vintage A-F item complete with > its original box is marvelous; I'd bite if it's something I want. I > haven't seen anything go so far that I couldn't buy it I just want to > make sure it's worth it because like it or not our collectables are an > investment. They don't need to grow in value of course to be enjoyable > but I doubt that $1,700 336 will get run. What do you do with a box > valuable enough to feed 50 families in Rwanda for a month? > > The thing I've seen with ebay is certain people's competitive nature > just gets the better of them. I just wonder how much buyer's remorse > happens after a costly auction war? DOH! Oft times instead of biding > one's time some guys/gals just have to be top dawg on an auction ( > very likely the proverbial newbie )the entire duration. It's annoying > to see ( but I'm sure heartening to the seller ) an item get bid out > of its realistic value, from my vantage point anyway, within hours of > being posted. Just chuck your Greenberg's right out the window. > > But y'know I'll keep going back to play the ebay jig...as will many of > you. So Good Luck and have fun bidding; Personal checks, MO/CCs, > PayPal, and of course firstborn accepted! > > Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34842	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Fw: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed

The below is a email I sent to Ebay. I will live with whatever they say is okay. Me, I think this is wrong, but then it is one own opinion on what is right. I can live with those who think this is okay. Use a reserve to protect yourself in what you what overall. I will post the Ebay reply. I agree with the person who also wrote that they don't look at things with slow loading pictures. Neither do I. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlmarmer@...> To: <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed > > Ask about bidding or buying > Problems with sellers > The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed > > Member or Item being reported: murph52 > > Message: I came across the seller Murph52 while looking at some listings for American Flyer trains. > > On all of his listing he states the following: > *********************************************************** > > I reserve the right to end any auction early if it has not received a bid by the last 24hrs.. > ********************************************************** > > Is this allowed by Ebay? I don't think it should be, as then, everyone will be doing this, if they are not happy with the way the bidding is going for their item. > > Thank you, > > Mike Marmer > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34843	From: geep39	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: eBay Shenanigans

My favorite Ebay trick: being outbid at the last minute by someone you usually don't see bidding. Ebay has its regulars who bid on just about anything, and at least you kinda know that you're bidding against other collectors. (you could list the IDs of those regulars) It's the ones you don't see regularly are the ones I'm suspicious of. You don't suppose there's shilling going on, do you? The competitive spirit is amazing, especially when I see fools paying fabulous prices for junk and common items. Maybe some of the problem is the price guides. I find TM's to be atrocious, and most people don't know how to use them properly, either. You want to buy BELOW the price guides (way below). Also, when I worked in a train store and bought collections, my rule of thumb was: Always make allowances for defects you may have missed! Another problem is that we don't see this stuff as commonly as we used to, and we get that "desire to aquire", and forget our common sense! "A fool and his money are soon parted" I just love the sellers who "don't know anything about trains", and who "just picked up at a yard sale" and waste no time putting the stuff up on eBay. Can you imagine how they weaseled the stuff at the yard sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34844	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: K-Line Rumor

Message: 24 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:56:23 -0000 From: "lou342ac" <lou342ac@...> Subject: Rumors Lou Baldi wrote: < Heard a couple of rumors at the last train show I <attended. < snip < < Second rumor is K-Line recently laid off 50 <employees and may not produce some of the S Gauge <items listed in their 2005 catalog. < < Any truth to either rumor? It is true that K-Line recently laid off some employees, although it was more like 12 than 50. I believe that Lionel and MTH also had layoffs. It is not true that they will not be producing their 2005 catalog S gauge equipment. Most of the cars and separate locos are due in July or August, with the sets due out in September. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34845	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

Roy, The new K-Line S Gauge steamer will not have Railsounds, but will have a new system that K-Line recently developed and patented called K-Sounds. It will include whistle, bell, chuffing and crew sounds. Since the price is so low, I would guess the sound quality would not be up to Railsounds standards. It will not have command and control. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > Bob, et al, > I would not buy the new K-Line either-for me. > To run around the tree for the grandkids to play with, yep. Or as a B-day, > holiday gift for the same grands, yep. > And on balance, the K-Line steamers are not intended to compete head to head > with the Mikado or SHS. They are aimed at a market segment that will pay > $149.00 (list) for good quality with sound and smoke, but will not pay $500+ > for the same sound unit (Mikado and K-Line are both Lionel Railsounds > equipped) but with better detailing. > But hey, the reason there are different products at different price points > is because there are different consumers, right? > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34846	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > Bob, et al, > I would not buy the new K-Line either-for me. > To run around the tree for the grandkids to play with, yep. Or as a B-day, > holiday gift for the same grands, yep. > And on balance, the K-Line steamers are not intended to compete head to head > with the Mikado or SHS. They are aimed at a market segment that will pay > $149.00 (list) for good quality with sound and smoke, but will not pay $500+ > for the same sound unit (Mikado and K-Line are both Lionel Railsounds > equipped) but with better detailing. > But hey, the reason there are different products at different price points > is because there are different consumers, right? > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > Exactly. Comparing a $149 K-Line Pacific to a $500-600 Lionel Mike or SHS 2-8-0 is like comparing a Volkswagen Beetle to a Mercedes SL. Of course the Lionel or SHS engine is nicer--it costs 3-4 times as much. I know some have heartburn with the fact that the K-Line offerings break the long-cherished tradition of scale-proportioned mass market S gauge trains started by Gilbert in the 1940s, but let's look at this from K-Line's perspective. They want to test the S gauge waters with a minimum of financial outlay and risk. Unless they are convinced they can earn an acceptable return, it may not make financial sense to tool up an all-new S gauge car or locomotive from scratch. Regauging the O27 stuff they have (which is closer to 1/64 than 1/48) allows them to enter the S market at true beginner set prices. Think of how much more they would have to charge for a new- tooled S scale-proportioned steamer to recover their investment in tooling. I'll be the first to admit that many of the K-Line freight cars look silly with S gauge trucks (namely the caboose and hopper cars). But the boxcars and the tankcars look credible in a hirail consist. Remember, even Gilbert took liberties with scale fidelity in his postwar line (shortened passenger cars, GP7's with incorrect Blomberg trucks, operating boxcars with double doors). Take a look at photographs of steam-era freight trains and you will see boxcars of varying heights and lengths. They are not all uniform like AF. In my opinion the quality decoration, smooth-rolling sprung trucks, and knuckle couplers (superior to what Lionel has put on its AF) are a tremendous value at $18. Rest assured, if K-Line determines that there is adequate interest in S they will go upmarket and when they do it will be with scale- proportioned equipment. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34847	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re :ebay and 'catching the spirit of competition'

Man, where was all that competitive spirit when I was auctioning my Flyonel Southern railway set a couple years ago? Twice the normal price? I wish! If that was true I'd have gotten over $600 for the set. I got $225, less than I paid for it, and the estimated value of that set hasn't changed much since then. Yeah, sometimes a seller makes a killing, other times the buyer gets a steal. It's just like everywhere else in life. Anybody who thinks ebay prices are ALWAYS higher than "the regular market" must not surf ebay much, if at all. I'll bet the author of that S Gaugian editorial is in for a retraction. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34848	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: 2005 K-Line Book 1 S Gauge

Joe's Train Repair will be offering the entire 2005 line of K-Line S gauge trains. Here are our early Buy Specials: Retail MyPrice K511-037 Heinz Pickles boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-038 Heinz Ketchup boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-041 Coke boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-042 Diet-Coke boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-044 Looney Tunes boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-045 Heinz Baked Beans boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-046 Flatcar w/Coke trailer 27.95 23.00 K511-047 Flatcar w/Diet Coke trailer 27.95 23.00 K511-048 Flatcar w/Coke bottle trlr 27.95 23.00 K511-049 Baby Ruth boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-050 Carvel boxcar 27.95 23.00 K515-001 B&O Pacific Steam Loco/Tender 149.95 119.95 K515-002 Erie Pacific Steam Loco/Tender 149.95 119.95 K516-001 NH Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K516-002 SF Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K516-003 Milw. Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K517-001 PRR Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K517-002 Timken Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K517-003 SP Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K-5801 NYC Pacific Steam Set 249.95 199.95 K-5802 ATSF Pacific Steam Set 249.95 199.95 K-5803 Reading Pacific Steam Set 269.95 219.95 Deadline for early buy orders is March 30th. Must have credit card of record or 15 percent deposit for these prices. Expected shipping date for sets is September 2005. BTW, K-Line is only issuing one large catalog (this one) this year, although they will issue a smaller catalog later. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34849	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Catalogs

FYI I have posted a few AF catalogs with pictures for sale at: www.traingon.com Al Galli

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34850	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line, "S" on the CHEAP! Wrong Lionel "S" on the HIGH!

In a message dated 3/4/2005 11:44:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes: >> Comparing a $149 K-Line Pacific to a $500-600 Lionel Mike or SHS 2-8-0 is like comparing a Volkswagen Beetle to a Mercedes SL. << Agreed. No one has been making that direct comparison. But, there are some very nice 312ACs and 322s out there for ~$150. Why not give your youngster one of these? I went through my nephew's 312 this past year and he had great fun with it at Christmas. SHS has starter sets starting at $299.95 which are a great buy and a genuinely beautiful set of trains. If your youngster is a bit older, one of these sets would be a much better purchase. We have beaten this to death;-) but I suspect that once folks get some of the K-Line stuff in hand and have had a chance to place it along side the "tru-scale" S gauge trains available, it will be found wanting over the long haul. The Marx/K-Line Pacific is going to look bizarre next to an AM Pacific or a Gilbert K5. The Copper Kettle Shop on the Boardwalk in Ocean City, NJ used to have a slogan: "Good fudge isn't cheap and cheap fudge isn't good." It is still true. ;-) Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34851	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: K Line 2005 First Edition Catalog

Received new catalog and the pictures of the new K-Line S equipment looks great. 3/16" American Flyer, SHelper and American Model fans, listen to me 30 years ago, K-line entered the O Scale scene in the same manner. They produced and put out their 027 version of the old Marx equipment, however, never in my dream would I believe that 25 years later they would be putting out 1/48 O scale equipment. Which is FANTASTIC! That is what we need to be patient and non-condeming, I trust and hope that K Line puts out in the near future TRUE 3/16" SCALE 2 rail S gauge/Scale equipment. I love and have purchased and will continue to purchase from SHelper and American Models their EXCELLENT and FINE equipment. I will more than likely be playing with my Heaven bound railroad before we see KLine release 3/16" equipment, lets home sooner and later. And I enjoy talking with all you S gaugers, S Scalers and AF 3/16" scale train people HAPPY 2 RAILS TO YOU. jERRY mATSICK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34852	From: D Stoll	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed

What you are asking is for eBay to promote sniping, or last second bidders. It was not intended for that and I doubt if they will respond to your request. Sellers generally prefer bidders that establish their intent early. If you want somthing and are concerned about the retraction, bid the minimum. He can not retract it without reason. Ebay will react if everything he sells is broken and needed retraction. You can always snipe your last bid with 1 second to spare if that is your style. Ebay does allow that and you are not bidding against yourself. Sale price would be minimium (first bid) if no one else bids. and it is easier to track through my-ebay. Keep in mind you may someday sell some of your stuff on ebay, and wonder what you could have received if three people had not received the message "sorry auction is over". Doug --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > The below is a email I sent to Ebay. > > I will live with whatever they say is okay. > > Me, I think this is wrong, but then it is one own opinion on what is right. > I can live with those who think this is okay. Use a reserve to protect > yourself in what you what overall. > > I will post the Ebay reply. > > I agree with the person who also wrote that they don't look at things with > slow loading pictures. Neither do I. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mlmarmer@m...> > To: <mlmarmer@m...> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:49 AM > Subject: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed > > > > > > Ask about bidding or buying > Problems with sellers > The problem you're > having with your seller isn't listed > > > > Member or Item being reported: murph52 > > > > Message: I came across the seller Murph52 while looking at some listings > for American Flyer trains. > > > > On all of his listing he states the following: > > *********************************************************** > > > > I reserve the right to end any auction early if it has not received a bid > by the last 24hrs.. > > ********************************************************** > > > > Is this allowed by Ebay? I don't think it should be, as then, everyone > will be doing this, if they are not happy with the way the bidding is going > for their item. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34853	From: Phil K	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: "Sniping" is integral part of auction bidding

>>What you are asking is for eBay to promote sniping, or last second bidders. It was not intended for that and I doubt if they will respond to your request.<< Correct, they will not respond, but I would think eBay loves what some refer to as "sniping." I do not sell on eBay, only buy. I do believe eBay takes a percentage of the final selling price, so it is to its financial benefit when people get bid-crazy at the last minute. Sellers love it, too. The main reason most eBay auctions run 7-10 days is simply for product exposure. More people will see an item in 10 days, which is what sellers hope for. More visibilty usually means more interested people, therefore more competitive bidding and a higher final price. >>Sellers generally prefer bidders that establish their intent early.<< Absolutely correct. That way, the eventual selling price can move higher more quickly. I used to bid early on many auctions -- while the price was still fairly low -- just as a means of keeping an eye on that auction in case the last-minute price range is within what I would like to spend -- and how much I wanted the item. I notice now that we can watch 100 auctions at once instead of the previous 20, less "watching" bids come in early. >>You can always snipe your last bid with 1 second to spare if that is your style.<< Last minute bidding ("sniping") most often is successful on desirable items, as it always is at live auctions. A bid in the first minute is just as legal and ethical as one in the final second, as bids are welcome at any time until the clock runs out (eBay) or the gavel comes down (live). If you really HAVE to have an item, bid high at the last. If not, you take your chances of losing. To me, that's what makes auctions so much fun -- not knowing what will happen. I have won many items in the last 10 seconds and have lost 10 times that many. Ya bids, and ya takes yer chances. I have always been amused when I get flaming emails from those I outbid at the last second, being accused of being a "sniper" -- like they had some inalienable right not to be outbid. In truth, they're only mad at themselves because they really wanted the item and just didn't bid high enough. I've never had an email from a seller saying I bid too much for their item. I've also bid relatively low (minimum bid) early and for whatever silly reason was the only bidder -- and surprisingly, got a real bargain. You just never know how things will shake out. The mystery and the competiton of the process can be quite intoxicating. I usually try to look at eBay several times a day. I look for things I need for my collection that I can't find anywhere else -- or just good bargains, even on "parts" junkers. Not everyone lives in an area where there are a lot of -- or any -- train shows. And I have bought things I needed on eBay that I've never seen for sale at a train show, too. I also look for just-posted "Buy It Now" auctions -- looking for underpriced items. A couple months ago, I just had tuned into eBay and saw a seller was offering an E+ complete boxed 20315 set with all original paper and boxes and packing materials for a Buy-It-Now price of $720. Jumped right on it, and think I got a great deal. I knew at that price, it wouldn't last more than an hour, if that. I then saw the same set graded E- a week later at a train show and the seller, a nationally-known, very reputable Flyer dealer, had a firm $1250 on it. And this dealer usually tends be conservative on his grading. If you offer something up for sale on eBay, and don't want to lose money and get -- at the minimum -- what you paid for it, enter a reserve price that is equal to what you paid. If you do that, you might not sell, but at least you won't be forced to accept less than what you paid for it and "lose" money. In a way, offering high-value items with no reserve is not much different than gambling. Sometimes ya win, and... Bottom line is, whether we like it or not, eBay isn't about to go away. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34854	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: China Flyer items

Hello Frank and anyone else interested, The Santa Fe items have arrived. Fed Ex delivered my B-units and extra cars today and they appear as advertised, "a perfect match to the 1997 set". After 7 1/2 years my Super Chief is Complete. Oh Boy Trains!.....................Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34855	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: China Flyer items

Just think, you buy the new K-Line ATSF steamer and doublehead it as a helper around Sullivan's curve. :-) Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: bellokdaka@... Sent: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:03:19 -0800 To: frank emiro, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] China Flyer items Hello Frank and anyone else interested, The Santa Fe items have arrived. Fed Ex delivered my B-units and extra cars today and they appear as advertised, "a perfect match to the 1997 set". After 7 1/2 years my Super Chief is Complete. Oh Boy Trains!.....................Herky 1950 Obie Bell S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34856	From: Phil K	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Talk about crazy auction results . . .

I bring this up now as a follow-up to an old thread on S-Trains, mainly because no one else did. First, go to Ebay and do an advanced search by seller for "stoutauctions." Curious after seeing so much primo Flyer listed by them on eBay, I did just that after their auction last weekend ended -- to see what stuff sold for what. I try to do my homework, and I also can be very nosy. ;-) I was mildly shocked at what some Gilbert Flyer items ended up selling for. Many things were at or below market value, whatever that is these days, but I found it all was very, very interesting. You'll have to seek out the Gilbert Flyer in the listing you'll get, as it is intermingled with Lionel items, but most of it is in listed in bunches. Click on "Price" to get the highest prices listed first. Please recall the thread wondering how an eBay seller can add an additional charge to the selling price. Also remember the final selling prices listed do not include the controversial (at least here) 17.5% auction-house vigorish, so the second price I list below is with the 17.5% added, or in other words, what the buyer actually paid. First, you'll see three "L" items sold for between $13,000 and $18,900 each. But selected Flyer items (most in superb condition): American Flyer 24221 CEI hopper, Kleer-Pak OB $1200 winning bid -- buyer paid $1410. American Flyer 21831 Texas and Pacific GP7 $1150 -- $1351.25. American Flyer 25062 TNT exploding boxcar $975 -- $1145.62. American Flyer 21005 Pennsylvania 0-6-0, tender $825 -- $969.37. You could bid either on eBay or live if you could attend the auction in person. Some items were limited only to live bids. Other Flyer items sold for equally outrageous prices. Others turned out to be realtive bargains. It least it didn't cost me anything to look at the auction results. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34857	From: robbyking13	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: OK, time to get back on track

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and obviously there is quite a strong, wide range on this topic. Regarding opinions, no one can be right or wrong, as long as they base their opinion on solid facts. Many have done so. A few have based their opinion on speculation -- especially regarding the new steam and yard locomotives and sets, which none of us have seen yet beyond an artist's drawings on K-Line's website. Only time will tell, and personally, I can't wait to see what happens. _________________________________ Those that want to buy the K-Line locos/sets are basing their opinion on the very same artist's drawings on K-Line's website! I did not like what I saw. I also looked on ebay and found the same locos in 0-27 by K-Line (as previously stated). As I pointed out: The Pacific is unprototypical and larger than it should be (I never saw one that looked like that). The Plymouth switcher did not have it's axels and wheels centered where they should be in the truck sides. A new point, from comparing the pictures, is that the picture on the website did not have the Plymouth centered on the track. The point is that there will be some overhang on both sides of the rail that was not present on the 0-27 model. Regarding the Porter, it is a narrow gauge loco that is being put on standard gauge. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34858	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Bidding

Good day, friends: I was glad to see Phil mention that some of us happen to live in a train-show-challenged neck of the woods. The closest one I've heard about so far this year (and I'm new to all this) was about 4 hours from me. I have felt blessed to be put in contact (through a s-trains member, btw) with a person who repairs and sells trains/parts out of his home. He's only 2 hours away from me. Particularly at the early stage of my collecting, I like the personal touch, both with the product and the vendor. Still a four hour round trip at today's (or yesterday's) gasoline prices and you might decide, as I have at times, to pay a little more on eBay for an item you really want to. It's cheaper having it delivered to your door than driving 4 hours - assuming he has the thing-a-ma-bob to start with. It's all about walking a mile in another person's shoes before judging, isn't it...... :) Note: "WIN" is eBay's term. When you PAY for something, I don't feel you've WON anything. The "win" part reflects the competitive spirit upon which auctions of all kinds are based. There's more than one effective strategy - and none of them work ALL of the time. Wouldn't life be dull if it were otherwise? I'm outta here - good night, Gracie. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34859	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 6, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34860	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2595

Folks I think S Gaugian is promoting and protecting their Train Show and Dealer advertising base. They may want to do a more in depth investigation of pricing; (a empty box went for $360 on Ebay recently) but you gotta buy 'em where you find 'em. Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34861	From: joan dienst	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: Re: Talk about crazy auction results . . .

I went to the Stout Auction on Friday to try and pick-up some of the un-cataloged items...The auction was great, well run and some of the best S gauge I have ever seen...The prices were high but, the quality was great, even the uncataloged box lots were outstanding...they had boxes and boxes of parts and everything you could want, over 600 groups went up for auction...I drove 3 hours to get there and only won two items...most of the buyers were dealers I have seen at the Wheaton train show...and they had a lot of money to spend....Also the live auction on E-bay kept the prices up.. It was a great show and all top of the line Flyer Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil K <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Talk about crazy auction results . . . > > > > I bring this up now as a follow-up to an old thread on S-Trains, > mainly because no one else did. > > First, go to Ebay and do an advanced search by seller > for "stoutauctions." > > Curious after seeing so much primo Flyer listed by them on eBay, I > did just that after their auction last weekend ended -- to see what > stuff sold for what. I try to do my homework, and I also can be very > nosy. ;-) > > I was mildly shocked at what some Gilbert Flyer items ended up > selling for. Many things were at or below market value, whatever > that is these days, but I found it all was very, very interesting. > You'll have to seek out the Gilbert Flyer in the listing you'll get, > as it is intermingled with Lionel items, but most of it is in listed > in bunches. Click on "Price" to get the highest prices listed first. > > Please recall the thread wondering how an eBay seller can add an > additional charge to the selling price. Also remember the final > selling prices listed do not include the controversial (at least > here) 17.5% auction-house vigorish, so the second price I list below > is with the 17.5% added, or in other words, what the buyer actually > paid. > > First, you'll see three "L" items sold for between $13,000 and > $18,900 each. > > But selected Flyer items (most in superb condition): > > American Flyer 24221 CEI hopper, Kleer-Pak OB $1200 winning bid -- > buyer paid $1410. > > American Flyer 21831 Texas and Pacific GP7 $1150 -- $1351.25. > > American Flyer 25062 TNT exploding boxcar $975 -- $1145.62. > > American Flyer 21005 Pennsylvania 0-6-0, tender $825 -- $969.37. > > You could bid either on eBay or live if you could attend the auction > in person. Some items were limited only to live bids. > > Other Flyer items sold for equally outrageous prices. Others turned > out to be realtive bargains. > > It least it didn't cost me anything to look at the auction results. > > Phil K > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34862	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/4/2005
Subject: I have the K-line 2005 First Addition Catalog in my hands!

I received the new K-line catalog today and all I can say is wow. The new steam engines have diecast boilers; I hadn't expected that. Features listed... Die Cast Boiler Operating Smoke Operating Headlight 3 position reverse unit K-Sounds including whistle, bell, chuffing and crew sounds All this for 149 bucks! I can't wait. The K-line engine running with K-line cars will look great on the layout running with the pretty oversized Gilbert accessories. OK, I know that I am commiting heresy here... What can I say, I ain't proud of it! ;) Wonder when these engines will actually be available? -- Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org Free Albums for S Gauge Photos Available! Send requests to chuck@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34863	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Re: I have the K-line 2005 First Addition Catalog in my hands!

Greetings.....Yes, I am glad that some one is finally offering starter sets at affordable prices. Are they testing the waters or still trying to produce product that will sell? Looking at the current "O" gauge market, it seems to me that it is over saturated with similar(identical) product. Lionel comes out with a GG1 and before you know it MTH comes out with one. I believe that MTH and Lionel jumped into HO to increase their market due to a "soft" "O"gauge one. I was hoping for MTH to jump into "S" first before K-line(since they did'nt do the BIG BOY). However, I'm sure that Lionel and MTH will be watching with interest to the response to the new K-line sets. If things sell well, why we might see a greater variety of trains hit the market. Yes, I did buy the two new Flyone Mikado's and am VERY impressed with them. I believe that the "S" market is ready for a UP Big Boy, because of it's debateable title of world's largest steam engine. Anyone who has seen the HO TRIX model knows what I mean, way nicer than any brass version I have seen. Every scale has a ready to run one except "S"! I am sure that if 500 quality production models were made,they would sell(Hi-rail compatible of course)......just my $.03(CDN) $.02(US) Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <chuck@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I have the K-line 2005 First Addition Catalog in my hands! > > > I received the new K-line catalog today and all I can say is wow. The > new steam engines have diecast boilers; I hadn't expected that. > > Features listed... > > Die Cast Boiler > Operating Smoke > Operating Headlight > 3 position reverse unit > K-Sounds including whistle, bell, chuffing and crew sounds > > All this for 149 bucks! I can't wait. The K-line engine running with > K-line cars will look great on the layout running with the pretty > oversized Gilbert accessories. OK, I know that I am commiting heresy > here... What can I say, I ain't proud of it! ;) > > Wonder when these engines will actually be available? > > -- > Chuck > http://www.myflyertrains.org > Free Albums for S Gauge Photos Available! > Send requests to chuck@... > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34864	From: jt12313	Date: 3/5/2005
Subject: Kitbashing grain elevators

Has anyone out there kitbashed a "standard" small town grain elevator? Did you adapt a kit or just scratch build it? Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34865	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Fw: DG Productions

----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall To: S Scale List Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: DG Productions Morning Group, Couple days ago the tractor and trailer with the three transfromers arrived from DG Productions, it was fantastic, even down to the colored air hoses behind the cab...these truck are very well done. In checking the website I see several of the trucks are sold out all ready, and some are still available from some power companies...so you need to check around. I really appreciate Tom and the others that have keep listing the site for the power company trucks over the past year...these a super looking trucks and really add to the life of the layout with the auger trucks and pole trailers. Kinda refreshing to, to see a price posted as postpaid...we all know it is in there but it sure is better than the 7.50 to 10.00 suprise at the end of the invoice.. Pay attention to the references of 1/64 and 1/24...... www.toysbydg.com gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34866	From: bruce weidner	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: rolling stock I wish some one would make

If I was going to make s-gauge trains I would offer something different. like a waffle box car, a thrall all door car and maybe a covered coil car. these are interesting and not available in s as far as I know. Anyone have any other neat cars in mind? Maybe when I am older I will be in a position to make them myself. I would like to see in S a cab forward, a camel back loco.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34867	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: rolling stock I wish some one would make

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bruce weidner <weidner@a...> wrote: > > If I was going to make s-gauge trains I would offer > something different. > > like a waffle box car, a thrall all door car and maybe > a covered coil car. these are interesting and not > available in s as far as I know. Anyone have any other > neat cars in mind? Maybe when I am older I will be in > a position to make them myself. I would like to see in > S a cab forward, a camel back loco. I would like to see an S gauge automobile carrier (preferrably the open style used before vandalism necessitated the enclosed type we have today). Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34868	From: beebear	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: rolling stock I wish some one would make

I have been checking out the K-Line site and would like to see them make the utility cars and trucks that run around on the "highway" tracks. That would bring more life to a layout. Maybe I will send an email to them to see if it is possible. I have purchased 3 sets of the AM semi trailer haulers and woulds like to see some modern covered car haulers to add to this set. If this becomes available I would look into purchasing several sets.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34869	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: New Items and review

I have posted a few new items on my hints and tips pages. http://www.tuveson.com/hints_andtip.htm There is Steve Blackburn's All modes of operation idea at: http://www.tuveson.com/AllModeWiring/AllModeWiring.htm And a pictorial review of Tom Stoltz's number 4 turnouts at: http://www.tuveson.com/TomsTurnouts/TomsTurnouts.htm Enjoy, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34870	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 6, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34871	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: AF part

Someone on the TCA list was asking about a replacement smoke tube for a Hudson from the tender to the engine. I gave him a couple of sources to ask. But do any of the parts people know if this tube is in reproduction? Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34872	From: Phil K	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Mikado marathon & Seuthe smoke units

This weekend the Chicagoland Assn. of S Gaugers had a layout at the High Wheeler '05. My Mikado was pressed into service pulling the B&O set, as the B&O engine we had was silent -- a couple of those fragile wires to the sound potentiometer in the tender came off during battery installation, and we wanted kids/parents to hear the TMCC sounds. We had some funny "dueling TMCC" moments going with the Midwest TCA gang across the aisle from us, as they were running their 3-rail stuff with it, too. But it caused no major problems -- we CASGers were just too lazy to reprogram the locos with a different "assigned number" -- and so were they. ;-) It ran like a champ on an oval of Will Holt's S-Helper track, smoking and chugging and whistling and talking for 4-1/2 hours straight and was a big hit. Although it was hard to hear the sounds with all they other layouts in the hall -- the background noise must have been over 100db. Got pretty good smoke using Mike's smoke juice (Anormal1). I know some of you are familiar with this product, so I have just a few questions about the "Seuthe" smoke unit, which I'm totally unfamilar with. They are not at all like Gilbert smoke pots -- not even close. I have heard some of them are extremely susceptable to burnout if run dry, even just for a few minutes. They come in different sizes and voltages, according to various websites. Are they supposed to force the smoke out in "chugs" or just smoke away? How do you know if they're burned out, other than no smoke at all? Does amount of smoke decrease if they get damaged? Are they easy to replace? (I saw prices of around $10 on Internet sites, which makes me think about adding them to non-smoking Flyer engines without damaging the collector value). As an aside, I sure wish Lionel would put up an exploded parts and wiring diagram on its website, like with most anything else they make. I did find a site that describes how they work and shows cross- section drawings. You may want to bookmark: http://tinyurl.com/4gdwa Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34873	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: AF part

From my many years in model airplane flying, I bet this part would be replaceable by a model airplane fuel line. It comes in various diameters and is sold by the foot in a hobby store selling model airplane parts. It withstands high nitro fuel so our oil shouldn't bother it. Chuck Smith: ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF part > > > Someone on the TCA list was asking about a replacement smoke tube for a Hudson from the tender to the engine. > > I gave him a couple of sources to ask. > > But do any of the parts people know if this tube is in reproduction? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34874	From: rj4010d	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Justed Listed on EBAY

New B&O Mikado Passenger Set, B&O 2 car passenger pack, Santa Fe B unit with railsounds and crew talk, Santa Fe 2 car passenger pack. Listed under puttputt5. Good Luck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34875	From: louis glumac	Date: 3/6/2005
Subject: Re: AF part

hi,,,,,maybe try some tygon hose from lowes,,,,,,its cheap and easy to install ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF part > > > Someone on the TCA list was asking about a replacement smoke tube for a Hudson from the tender to the engine. > > I gave him a couple of sources to ask. > > But do any of the parts people know if this tube is in reproduction? > > Thanks, > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34876	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re;Mikado marathon & Suethe smoke units

My experiance with the Suethe smoke units comes mostly from their use in LGB locos. None of these puffed. They were bigger than the ones in the Mikado, of course, and would run for about twenty minutes before the fluid got low. They WILL burn out if run dry. And yes, they smoke less if damaged. However, they are a quality unit and were the best smokers around at the time I used them. Todays MTH and Lionel units in O gauge easily out smoke the old Suethe units, but are a much more complicated unit. Just take care of it and it will live for many years. Stumpy Stone...off to work in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34877	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF part

Chuck.... I think the vinyl Model Plane tubing is way too stiff..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF part > > > From my many years in model airplane flying, I bet this part would be > replaceable by a model airplane fuel line. It comes in various diameters > and is sold by the foot in a hobby store selling model airplane parts. It > withstands high nitro fuel so our oil shouldn't bother it. > Chuck Smith: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:48 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF part > > >> >> >> Someone on the TCA list was asking about a replacement smoke tube for a > Hudson from the tender to the engine. >> >> I gave him a couple of sources to ask. >> >> But do any of the parts people know if this tube is in reproduction? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike Marmer >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34878	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF part

They also have a silicon which is very flexible. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>; "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF part > Chuck.... I think the vinyl Model Plane tubing is way too stiff..... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF part > > > > > > > > From my many years in model airplane flying, I bet this part would be > > replaceable by a model airplane fuel line. It comes in various diameters > > and is sold by the foot in a hobby store selling model airplane parts. It > > withstands high nitro fuel so our oil shouldn't bother it. > > Chuck Smith: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:48 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] AF part > > > > > >> > >> > >> Someone on the TCA list was asking about a replacement smoke tube for a > > Hudson from the tender to the engine. > >> > >> I gave him a couple of sources to ask. > >> > >> But do any of the parts people know if this tube is in reproduction? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mike Marmer > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> Enjoy thousands of great photos > >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34879	From: keefer1	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: SIT HOSE

SMOKE-IN-TENDER HOSE (rubber) - SIT units $1.25 Or you could just get a very original looking replacement from Doug. Keith __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34880	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: horn question

I just bought a steam horn generator for my 336 (so it will no longer have to use my diesel horn!). Is it possible to connect both horn generators to the same transformer on the same loop track without causing electrical damage? Will both work correctly or will they get in each other's way? What I want to achieve is the ability to use the steam horn when the 336 is on the loop and the diesel horn when one of my diesels is there. And, of course, that will also let me kid around making both kinds of engine sound funny! Tootin' along the Upstairs Train, Bob --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34881	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Smoke Tubes

Well, any of the "usual suspects" can supply one, or you can ask around your collecting friends until you find one that plays with player pianos. He/she will have lots of different tubing and I think the thin wall tracker tubing will work. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34882	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: AF part

I bought a repro replacement hose not to long ago from Port Lines Hobby I think. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34883	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Mikado marathon & Suethe smoke units

Stumpy -- Your explanation fits what I think happened. I get smoke, but not like it should. I tried cleaning it and made sure I put in the proper number of drops, etc, but still very little smoke. We ran the Mike for almost five straight hours at a show Saturday and every 10-15 minutes I was adding smoke fluid and it worked great. But I walked away for about 20 minutes to see other parts of the show and I think that's what happened -- it ran dry for awhile. Looks like I'll have to buy another Seuthe and put it in. Should be easier than Gilbert smoke boxes. Thanks. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > > My experiance with the Suethe smoke units comes mostly from their use > in LGB locos. None of these puffed. They were bigger than the ones > in the Mikado, of course, and would run for about twenty minutes > before the fluid got low. They WILL burn out if run dry. And yes, > they smoke less if damaged. > However, they are a quality unit and were the best smokers around at > the time I used them. Todays MTH and Lionel units in O gauge easily > out smoke the old Suethe units, but are a much more complicated unit. > Just take care of it and it will live for many years. > Stumpy Stone...off to work in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34884	From: conehammer	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Number 1 dumb question for Monday, 3/7/05

Why is it that so many A-F engines for sale on ebay are missing their trailing truck set? Did many operators feel these just 'got in the way'? Was there some ailment brought on by smoke fluid smoke inhalation that caused people to remove these out of some fear? Did the previous owners (Or perhaps space aliens) feel they needed a keepsake? Did Santa help himself to spare parts from the family's Christmas tree set? Or perhaps are many engines sold on ebay the victims of cannibalization. Curious minds want to know! Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34885	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Go to "Conversions and Kit Bashing" file

I tried 3 times to get the pictures in a folder so I need some help guys. I have enclosed pictures of Marx S and what the called Marx O scale. The Marx Scale Box car and Cattle cars doors do not open. The Marx tender fits over an AF tender frame. I use these tenders to replace damaged tin tenders. Marx made a long haul and short haul tender and I have yet to kit bash them. Marx S box cars can be found for $2 to $5 if you get the toy ones with plastic cast on trucks and only one wheel per truck. The tenders can be found the same way. I cut out the Pike Master trucks and used a Marx coupler. I finally found a good use for broken Pike Master trucks. I built a whole train of "O guage" cars to run at shows. I tell O gaugers that they run S gauge trains with out knowing and that they will buy almost any thing. Look at their Lionel Flag man acessory. Many people missed my point about K-line last week. It was about cost and not size of dies. I challenge anyone to explain to me why 50 year old AF cars with O Guage trucks should cost $30 more then 50 year old Marx cars slightly bigger then S and much smaller the O Scale with S gauge trucks. I am not talking about detail, just costs of same size cars. Now if you want to make them look more proportional you put the large AF trucks on the larger K-Line cars and take the Scale S guage trucks from K-line and put on AF S gauge cars. I say K-line wins hands down on the trucks they use on their cars Question which coupler is better Lionel AF or K-line? Young kids do not care and old kids do. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34886	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: AF Part

Thanks for all the responses to my question about that part. I wrote to the person on the TCA list who wanted to know about and gave all the answers I got on this list. Thanks Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34887	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Number 1 dumb question for Monday, 3/7/05

The screw came loose. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34888	From: Phil K	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC

This was sent to me by CASG secretary Will Holt to pass along to the members of this board: On Sunday at Harper [College], we ran my Lionel Flyer B & O freight cars with the 2-8-2 and I was reminded of a point that most of us have overlooked about TMCC and Flyer. The following should go out to your message board group -- the sooner the better! CAUTION WHEN USING AMERICAN FLYER CABOOSES WITH LIONEL'S TMCC SYSTEM! While it can be reset to other voltages, as delivered the TMCC system will put a constant, regular 18 volts to the track. This something entirely new to American Flyer S gaugers. Most Gilbert era cabooses have lamps that use about 14 volts, as does most of the Lionel era production. I don't know if Lionel has changed the caboose lamps on even the NYC caboose that was released with the new NYC version of the U S R A 2-8-2 steam engine. The problem is that we have never regularly feed a constant voltage to the track. Yes, it makes the caboose light nice and bright, BUT it generates more heat. Yesterday at an N M R A divisional train show, we had the roof of the 1982 Lionel Flyer B & O bay window caboose start to warp from heat after about 2-hours running time. The solution is to replace the lamp with a higher voltage, and if possible, lower wattage lamp to reduce the heat produced by being on a constant 18-volts. This change will probably be necessary on all flyer cabooses before using them with TMCC. Again, Phil if this can get posted to your message board right away, it will save someone from have the same problem I now have. This is replacing my American Flyer caboose with one without a heat warped roof. Kind regards, Will

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34889	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Transformers

Group, I have acquired a couple of 22090 transformers, and am about ready to start putting all my stuff together and build my first layout since I was a kid. My table will be about 8' x 20' and I will have a twice around with a couple of loops, a few spurs, and a modest yard. Should I be able to power that with what I have, or will I need more? I plan to run two trains (max.) sometimes - many times it will be just one, and a few accessories. Are there any known problems with that transformer? - they are both well used, but seem to be OK. Is there a source of handles - one is broken. I'm one of the hybrids - have the Gilbert prewar 3/16" on "O" - which is "S" so far as the trains go. Will be using Atlas track (with as large a radius as I can fit in) and turnouts. Thanks very much for any help. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34890	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Lionel 6-49815 No. 741 Handcar and Shed

Lionel 6-49815 No. 741 Handcar and Shed: Vintage Gilbert handcars have always been a source of fun and were among the few powered units offered by Gilbert. The difficulty with the handcars in recent times is that the rubber men, Mike and Ike, have grown less flexible over a half century – much like their human counterparts. As a consequence, the arms have a tendency to break at the wrists after repeated pumping. One can replace the men with repro replacements on operator samples with some difficulty, but it is also desirable to have collector-quality pieces not be overworked and remain intact. Among the vintage Gilbert accessories that Lionel has now reintroduced is the No. 741 Handcar and Shed. The set includes a heavily reworked handcar, which is the equivalent to a No. 742 reversing handcar. The new handcar is now fitted with a can motor and redone gearing. The chassis, handbar, and Mike and Ike themselves have all come in for a complete makeover. The figures are now fashioned with a plastic much tougher than rubber and are easily replaceable, if it should become necessary. The figures still have black trousers, and blue shirts and caps, but whereas Mike and Ike looked a bit like gadabouts from Erector Square on the vintage cars, they now look something like Austrian motormen on the new one. The new figures are closer to S scale size than the old. The familiar car shell is decorated with the red, white, and blue American Flyer shield AND stripes. The sharp decoration is all painted so decal peeling is a thing of the past. My (purchased) sample required some lubrication and break in time, but once this was done, the new handcar runs more smoothly and quietly than the originals. Slow speed operation is considerably better, but a vintage handcar in good tune will out run the new one at 15 volts. The new handcar is a big operational improvement over the vintage, but it does lack the amusing chaotic coffee grinder effect of the original. The shed is a nice reintroduction and faithful to the original. The red roof is a bit brighter and lighter. An improvement over the original is that a wide tab has been added to the rear interior of the gray base. The tab provides a “ stop” that will actuate the slider bar and cause a reversing handcar to change direction. It finally makes operational sense to put a handcar shed at the end of a siding! An important part of whether the new issue will be of value to the Flyer operator is very much tied to the utility of the shed. If you do not own a shed, its presence is a plus. Although it lists for $99.95, the new handcar and shed can be had for a smile and roughly 70 bucks, so they are relatively affordable fun. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34891	From: velapoldi	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC

Hi all: Interesting observation. Does this higher voltage mean increased heat for lighted passenger cars, and the possibility of warpage as some of the older AF 650's??? I would expect that the B&O mikado passenger set wouldn't have this problem, but there are many of us running passenger cars that were produced earlier. thanks for info and thoughts. Rance Velapoldi Phil K wrote: > >This was sent to me by CASG secretary Will Holt to pass along to the >members of this board: > >On Sunday at Harper [College], we ran my Lionel Flyer B & O freight >cars with the 2-8-2 and I was reminded of a point that most of us >have overlooked about TMCC and Flyer. The following should go out >to your message board group -- the sooner the better! > >CAUTION WHEN USING AMERICAN FLYER CABOOSES WITH LIONEL'S TMCC SYSTEM! > >While it can be reset to other voltages, as delivered the TMCC >system will put a constant, regular 18 volts to the track. This >something entirely new to American Flyer S gaugers. > >Most Gilbert era cabooses have lamps that use about 14 volts, as >does most of the Lionel era production. I don't know if Lionel has >changed the caboose lamps on even the NYC caboose that was released >with the new NYC version of the U S R A 2-8-2 steam engine. > >The problem is that we have never regularly feed a constant voltage >to the track. Yes, it makes the caboose light nice and bright, BUT >it generates more heat. Yesterday at an N M R A divisional train >show, we had the roof of the 1982 Lionel Flyer B & O bay window >caboose start to warp from heat after about 2-hours running time. >The solution is to replace the lamp with a higher voltage, and if >possible, lower wattage lamp to reduce the heat produced by being on >a constant 18-volts. > >This change will probably be necessary on all flyer cabooses before >using them with TMCC. > >Again, Phil if this can get posted to your message board right away, >it will save someone from have the same problem I now have. This is >replacing my American Flyer caboose with one without a heat warped >roof. > >Kind regards, >Will > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34892	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC

I guess this would be the case with all lighted AF cars. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34893	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Lionel 6-49815 No. 741 Handcar and Shed

While Bob is on that subject I want you all to know that I have a "New old stock" complete hand car men set including handle assembly. It is for sale to anyone that may need one. I have no idea of it's value, so make me an offer I can't refuse. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34895	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2005
Subject: Change of E-Mail Address

Hi Everyone, I will be changing my e-mail address to _Cbtrainnut@..._ (mailto:Cbtrainnut@...) Please make note as I will be kissing AOL goodbye and Good Riddance! Chris Chris Burger, Manager NMRA# 131657 0A NASG# 99R0109E TCA# 03-56175 Elizabeth Station Toy Trains, LLC 1205 East Third St. Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 1-877-TRAIN90 (1-877-872-4690) _Http://Elizabethstation.com_ (http://www.elizabethstation.com/) "Where S-Gauge isn't a Dirty word!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34896	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: SIT tube

<<< replacement smoke tube for a Hudson from the tender to the engine. > > I gave him a couple of sources to ask. > > But do any of the parts people know if this tube is in reproduction?>>> Available. In stock. $1.25 per foot. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34897	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: My questions on relays

I haven't digested all your suggestions yet, but I've got a lot of it figured out and documented on the "Lessons Learned" page of my website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/operations.html I'd appreciate any suggestions, corrections, or clarification from the seasoned veterans out there that know more than I do about this kind of stuff. And anyone who's building a complex layout might benefit from my struggles. Check it out! I hope it helps somebody. Chugging along The Upstairs Train, Bob (Stumpy really started something!) --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34898	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC

Just wondering -- If you would run the TMCC off the variable post, you can adjust the Mike to run at less than 18v, yes? I thought the instruction book says you need to run it at at least 12v. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34899	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC

I would not recommend running at the full 18 volts unless you have changed all the bulbs in your rolling stock. The only reason to run at that high a voltage is to compensate for high resistance in poorly wired layouts or an extremely heavy train. TMCC will work with at least 12 volts sometimes lower. Nominal voltage is 14-16 volts on my layout. You can also run variable to run conventional and command on the same track up to a point. The variable effects both but you still have independent control of the TMCC loco. I always use the variable out of my Z4000 and any transformer that puts a clean waveform on the track can do it also. Some solid state transformers chop the sine wave and that does not work as well. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Phil K [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC Just wondering -- If you would run the TMCC off the variable post, you can adjust the Mike to run at less than 18v, yes? I thought the instruction book says you need to run it at at least 12v. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34900	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: New Handcar & Shed

The new Lionel Handcar & Shed is out, and it is definitely a winner. Very crisp details and close to the original. Bob Bubeck already reviewed it, so I will not repeat what he said. Positives: new can motor with less noise (although that "coffee grinder" did get the kids attention); bushed reversing rod guides; tab stop in shed Negatives: plastic handpump bar (I fear this may break too easily, while the old Gilbert AF never broke); lightweight plastic roof on shed (instead on heavy old Bakelite; this may be a plus, but fear it is more subject to warpage like on the late Coal Loader) I am undecided about the men, especially their origin. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34901	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: More K-Line Info

I have now heard back from Nick Ladd at K-Line. He has clarified two points which are currently being discussed. First, there will be two different versions of the steam locomotives. The separate sale locos will include the K-Sounds feature, while the set steam locos will come with a whistling tender. Both locos will have smoke and headlight. Second, the outside distance for the steamchest is 2-3/16 inches, which scales out to 11.67 feet. This is about one foot wider than prototypical (full-size steam locos seem to fall between 10 feet and 11.07 feet). This is much closer to S scale than O scale (where it scales out to only 8.75 feet, almost 2 feet under scale. I happen to have several of the old Marx cast locomotives in my shop so I tried them out on both the #770 Loading Platform and the #771 Stockyard. With the O27 mechanism, the wheels straddle a piece of AF track. With this configuration, this locomotive clears both accessories, although the ramp must be up on the Stockyard. For comparison, AF locos generally scale out at 10.67 feet. So, there is about a 6 inch scale "overhang" on each side on these locos compared to AF locos. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34902	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed

Yes, the jury may be out on the durability of the hand pump bar. It is ABS, however, and the "new" Mike and Ike are a lot tougher and would act to cushion the bar if dropped. The nibs on the handcar ends are probably tougher on the new version. ABS again. The roofs on the original sheds are red painted over gray pigmented polystyrene. I am not about to perform a drop test, but I would wager that the new roof (red painted over red ABS) would bounce higher without breaking. ;-) And, yes, Mike and Ike have gone in for an "extreme makeover." Mid-century they were lumps of clay but are a lot slimmer now. Maybe they have been to the gym? They are a blur while under operation so I wouldn't worry about it. :-)) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/8/2005 12:31:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: Negatives: plastic handpump bar (I fear this may break too easily, while the old Gilbert AF never broke); lightweight plastic roof on shed (instead on heavy old Bakelite; this may be a plus, but fear it is more subject to warpage like on the late Coal Loader) I am undecided about the men, especially their origin. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34903	From: Colin Olsen	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Short out or stopping in a switch

I have recently started another AF layout, this time using mechanical switches. Having a problem with engines stalling in the switch. I have to cycle the transformer to restart. Seems to be happening when tender wheels are between the frog and the rail. Get a spark from the metal tender wheel and shuts down engine. Any suggestions. Thanks. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34904	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Short out or stopping in a switch

Colin Make sure switches and track are clean, most important make sure the wheels of the tender and engine are clean also, this should eliminate stalling. It has for me. Jerry M Colin Olsen <colin_olsen@...> wrote: I have recently started another AF layout, this time using mechanical switches. Having a problem with engines stalling in the switch. I have to cycle the transformer to restart. Seems to be happening when tender wheels are between the frog and the rail. Get a spark from the metal tender wheel and shuts down engine. Any suggestions. Thanks. Colin S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34905	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Hobby Shops to visit

Anyone have any suggestions as to any American Flyer friendly hobby shops to visit along East Coast from Myrtle Beach, SC to Savannah, GA. Vacationing there next week. Thanks, Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34906	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: K-Line poll update

Here is the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Please vote for only one of the first two questions and all/any/none of the other five. We are looking at vote totals only. Pay no attention to the percentages as they don't work for the way I set this up -- I did it this way for simplicity, so we didn't have to vote in two different polls. I'll figure out percentages when the poll is closed, but right now the exit polls are showing over 90 percent (88 of 96 voters) see it as "great for the S gauge hobby"). I also have votes from five members who were unable to get into the poll for some reason, but gave their votes to me in email (all voted "yes" to the first question), so that number is actually 93 against 8 "don't like" votes. More than half of the voters intend to purchase at least one locomotive -- and that figure is probably higher. When the poll closes, I will do an private inventory of email responses to get the accurate numbers of how many individual members intend to purchase at least one locomotive. Could run as high as 70 percent. Here are the questions: VOTE FOR ONE: O I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby O Don't like it at all VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: O Would buy a Pacific steamer O Would buy a Porter O Would buy a Plymouth O Would buy a set for myself O Would buy a set for a kid as a gift Poll results as of 5 pm 03-07-05 after 82 voters: I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby -- 88 Don't like it at all -- 8 Would buy a Pacific steamer -- 46 Would buy a Porter -- 40 Would buy a Plymouth -- 48 Would buy a set for myself -- 20 Would buy a set for a kid as a gift -- 45 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34907	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Hobby Shops to visit

Jim In Savannah, Try the Bull Street Train Station in downtown Savannah, I believe you will some there. Jerry M Jax, Fl Jim Marski <jim_marski@...> wrote: Anyone have any suggestions as to any American Flyer friendly hobby shops to visit along East Coast from Myrtle Beach, SC to Savannah, GA. Vacationing there next week. Thanks, Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34908	From: jt12313	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: K-line steamer sets

So.... When will the K-line starter sets be available for sale? I may order a couple:) Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34909	From: keefer1	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: More K-Line Info

I tried the same thing with the new kline 027 version of the marx loco and it will NOT clear. So unless the original marx is smaller or they shrunk the new kline s it will not fit through any accessory with a fixed base,unless you don't mind tearing up your accessories.No choo choo in the set loco, track that has no readily available same radius turnouts geez, they should just sell them with 027 track ,that would make more sense. Here is another point I haven't seen any discussion on.Several list members were /are waiting for the big k-line engine to be converted to two rail.The last update I saw was the tender was top heavy, and liked to tip over. I put the only pair of non -flyer trucks I own, off the k-line caboose,under the Kline 027 tender.It looks just like the catalog pictures, and will NOT roll readily around flyer curves without laying on its side. If you give kids junk, it will not do anything to get them or keep them involved in s. It will drive them away! Keith --- Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > I have now heard back from Nick Ladd at K-Line. He > has clarified two points which are currently being > discussed. > > First, there will be two different versions of the > steam locomotives. The separate sale locos will > include the K-Sounds feature, while the set steam > locos will come with a whistling tender. Both locos > will have smoke and headlight. > > Second, the outside distance for the steamchest is > 2-3/16 inches, which scales out to 11.67 feet. This > is about one foot wider than prototypical (full-size > steam locos seem to fall between 10 feet and 11.07 > feet). This is much closer to S scale than O scale > (where it scales out to only 8.75 feet, almost 2 > feet > under scale. I happen to have several of the old > Marx > cast locomotives in my shop so I tried them out on > both the #770 Loading Platform and the #771 > Stockyard. > With the O27 mechanism, the wheels straddle a piece > of AF track. With this configuration, this > locomotive > clears both accessories, although the ramp must be > up > on the Stockyard. For comparison, AF locos > generally > scale out at 10.67 feet. So, there is about a 6 > inch > scale "overhang" on each side on these locos > compared > to AF locos. > > Joe > > > > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: > 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC > 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer > Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part > lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert > Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master > Card/Visa > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34910	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Way off topic........

Cleaning up the puter I ran across this...... You all know me..... used to love rolling Airplanes..... Dut This!!!!!!! Bob http://www.maritimeconsultant.com/tugboat.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34911	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: NASG convention

Anyone on the list planning to be in Altoona in July? Am looking for some specific non Gilbert items. Contact me off the list for more details. Hope to pick them up there. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34912	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Train Layouts

I will be traveling to the east coast in April and May. I am trying to set up an itenerary that includes several moldel railroads. I have heard there is a huge HO layout in New York that cost several million dollars to build. Does anyone have a link? Please recommend worthwhile layouts. I will be coming from the west coast and will hit DC and New York. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34913	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: 18v bulb sources

In light of the current discussion regarding hot 14v bulbs and melting plastic cars/locomotives, how about some of our member vendors posting info about light bulbs for AF equipment? Sizes, voltages, applications, type of base, prices, etc... I have received many emails seeking this information, and from what I gather, these are may be in demand for a while from those wishing to protect their Flyer from the 18v power of TMCC. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34914	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Yeah, I know...

...it's a bit early to post Christmas layout pix. But I wanted to get a jump on 2005, so there are 39 new pix of old things in the C+D Mountain Division album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album13?&page=1 No, Bert's album isn't done either, although the "Symphony in White" series is winding down. Just a few dozen more entries to upload after that: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01?&page=1 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34915	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed

Can you tell me were to look in the product decription to find the type of plastic used, eg. ABS Thank You --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > Yes, the jury may be out on the durability of the hand pump bar. It is ABS, > however, and the "new" Mike and Ike are a lot tougher and would act to cushion > the bar if dropped. The nibs on the handcar ends are probably tougher on the > new version. ABS again. The roofs on the original sheds are red painted over > gray pigmented polystyrene. I am not about to perform a drop test, but I would > wager that the new roof (red painted over red ABS) would bounce higher without > breaking. ;-) > > And, yes, Mike and Ike have gone in for an "extreme makeover." Mid- century > they were lumps of clay but are a lot slimmer now. Maybe they have been to the > gym? They are a blur while under operation so I wouldn't worry about it. :-)) > > Bob Bubeck > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2005 12:31:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > joestrainrepair@y... writes: > Negatives: plastic handpump bar (I fear this may break too easily, while the > old Gilbert AF never broke); lightweight plastic roof on shed (instead on > heavy old Bakelite; this may be a plus, but fear it is more subject to > warpage like on the late Coal Loader) > > I am undecided about the men, especially their origin. > > Joe > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34916	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: 18v bulb sources

In a message dated 03/08/2005 7:24:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: In light of the current discussion regarding hot 14v bulbs and melting plastic cars/locomotives, how about some of our member vendors posting info about light bulbs for AF equipment? Sizes, voltages, applications, type of base, prices, etc... I have received many emails seeking this information, and from what I gather, these are may be in demand for a while from those wishing to protect their Flyer from the 18v power of TMCC. Phil K It is very easy to replace the 14v (1449) bulbs with 18v (1447) bulbs. They are the same size screw bas bulbs. They are available through almost any S-Gauge dealer. I have 50 of them on hand here. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34917	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Way off topic........

Bob, HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO SENT THIS!! LOL Just kidding. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Way off topic........ > > > Cleaning up the puter I ran across this...... You all know me..... used to love rolling Airplanes..... Dut This!!!!!!! Bob > > > > http://www.maritimeconsultant.com/tugboat.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34918	From: Phil K	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Paint colors on 1:1 steam locomotives

Anyone have an idea why: 1) Some RRs painted the cab roof tuscan? 2) Some steamers have orange paint on cab window frames? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34919	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Train Layouts

Try to make the York, Pa area around the 25 - 30 of April....... more trains than you can imagine..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Layouts > > > > I will be traveling to the east coast in April and May. I am trying to > set > up an itenerary that includes several moldel railroads. I have heard > there > is a huge HO layout in New York that cost several million dollars to > build. > Does anyone have a link? > > Please recommend worthwhile layouts. > > I will be coming from the west coast and will hit DC and New York. > > Robert E. Yablonski > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34920	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC

To solve that overheating problem when using TMCC with 18 volt bulbs in cabeese and pass cars, I'd recommend using 24-volt bulbs instead. We have the 24-volt equivalent of the 432 screw-base bulb (used in ACG AF cars), and the 24-volt equivalent of the 433 bayonet-base bulb (used in Lnl AF cars). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34921	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 3/8/2005
Subject: March AF train list

Hello, Flyer fans. My March Gilbert AF-S sales list was emailed on Sunday to all of you in my address book. If anyone out there did not received a copy and would like one, let me know. It will be sent as a 10 page Word attachment. happy train hunting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34922	From: keefer1	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: polls , k-line

I have just been accused of being part of a very small minority of people, because I am not thrilled with K-lines line of "S". Let me tell you several problems with this poll. One dealer claims this is great stuff that will draw lots of new people into the hobby.Oddly only a 44 of the voters would buy this set for a gift.Not a lot of confidence there. On the steam engine , I would like to see everyone that voted for a set, because we were misinformed about the steam loco sound (it's now different in the seperate sale, then in the sets)to recast their vote. I keep hearing the argument lionel is selling rehashed old die junk...hmmmmmm what in the Kline line is new.Oddly enough the same guy that is so very quick to bash Lionel is also the first one to post his offerings from the list on this group. I am not a big fan of anything made in China,(personal reasons,has nothing to do with the quality of Chinese stuff) I try to spend only a small amount of my budget on stuff made in China.(this gets harder to do every year) but the stuff lionel has redone in the last couple years , seems to have been done in Gilbert tradition. This years budget, a hand car and a docksider. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34923	From: beebear	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Warning about AF cabeese and TMCC

Why not just reset the TMCC to the voltage you need instead of buying all new bulbs ???????? If it IS resetable then reset it to say 14 or 15 volts. Problem solved !!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- CAUTION WHEN USING AMERICAN FLYER CABOOSES WITH LIONEL'S TMCC SYSTEM! >>>>> While it can be reset to other voltages, <<<<<<<<<<< as delivered the TMCC system will put a constant, regular 18 volts to the track. This something entirely new to American Flyer S gaugers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34924	From: John Frankforther	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Florida Hobby Shops to visit

Hello all I will be down in Ft. Lauderdale next week on business. Do any of you Floridians know of any Flyer shops down there to visit? If so do you know the hours? Thanks John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34925	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: York Motels

I've found the Hampton Inn in Shrewsbury on route 83 is already full. Any ideas for alternatives? Thanks, Bill Lyon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34926	From: Doug	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Train Layouts

Northlandz is in Flemington New Jersey, don't know if any one else posted this or not. It's a huge HO layout, with some other scales as well. Doug K http://www.northlandz.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> > > > > I will be traveling to the east coast in April and May. I am trying to > > set > > up an itenerary that includes several moldel railroads. I have heard > > there > > is a huge HO layout in New York that cost several million dollars to > > build. > > Does anyone have a link? > > > > Please recommend worthwhile layouts. > > > > I will be coming from the west coast and will hit DC and New York. > > > > Robert E. Yablonski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34927	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Bulbs

Well....I'm not sure what you really want to know...but here's a start... 50 --- this is a 5-6 volt small-globe bulb used in the 774 light towers which were SERIES-wired. Thus, the 18-volt current gets dispersed through the four of them in series. 430--- 14-volt, large-globe bulb...used underneath the bubbling towers. An 18-volt bulb will seldom produce enough heat to maintain the bubbler. 432--- these are 18-volt large-globe bulbs. This is the bulb normally found in all Gilbert passenger cars and cabeese, as well as underneath the lighted whistling billboards, and in lighted buildings (such as the Mystic Station). Imported is fine for this use. 432R and 432G--- 18-volt large-globe colored bulbs used in the RC turnout controls. 433--- 18-volt, large-globe BAYONET bulb.... used in the Lionel produced passenger cars and caboose sockets. 461--- 14-volt dimple bulb used in the rotating aircraft beacons. This is a bulb where it is critical that you be fussy. There are 461 bulbs on the market with very poorly-formed and non-centered dimples. They will NOT work. A quality 461 bulb, with a good rotary top, will work consistently, especially if you wire your beacon to its own small dedicated transformer (even just a small 40-watt AF unit). 513-- this is the tiny, threadless bulb that press-fits into the clip in the 21004-21005 0-6-0 boiler front. 526--- 18-volt extra-large round screw-base bulb used in streetlights; available either white, or frosted. 1402--- tiny, threaded 14-volt bulb used in the SAM socket. 1442---18-volt extra-large "teardrop" screw-base bulb used in streetlights; available either white, or frosted. 1445---18-volt small-globe bulb used in most of the deadman-style transformers. Imported 1445s will fit, but are closer to the plastic caps, so you risk heat-damage to the caps. 1445R and 1445G --- colored 1445 bayonet bulbs, used in SOME 17B transformers that did not use colored lens caps. 1447--- these are 18-volt, small-globe bulbs. Used inside the RC turnouts, in most of the light towers, etc. Although they will work OK in the light towers, that extra-long base does make them noticeable, so I recommend using US-made 1447s in those as well. Can be used inside cars and stations, etc, but will not be as bright as 432 bulbs. 1447R--- red 18-volt, small-globe bulbs, used in bumpers and 760 crossings. Imported is fine for this. 1449 bulbs---these are 14-v small-globe bulbs used in all steamers and diesels. CAUTION: do NOT purchase imported 1449 bulbs....they are taller that domestic 1449 bulbs because they have an extra thread on them. In most of the steamers, if you use the imported 1449, the boiler front will not fit back into the opening. With diesels, that extra height places the bulb closer to the plastic. This is the one AF bulb where you really MUST seek out US bulbs. Additional bulbs that we stock, but were not original to Gilbert stock: 2447---the 24-volt equivalent of the 1447 bulb. 2432---the 24-volt equivalent of the 432 clear bulb. 2432R & 2432G---the 24-volt equivalent of the 432 colored bulbs. 2433---the 24-volt equivalent of the 433 clear bulb. These 24-volt bulbs will run cooler and have a longer life; the difference in brightness is not too significant. Pricing---you'll find ours in our on-line website AF Parts Catalog, under "Bulbs". <<<In light of the current discussion regarding hot 14v bulbs and melting plastic cars/locomotives, how about some of our member vendors posting info about light bulbs for AF equipment? Sizes, voltages, applications, type of base, prices, etc... I have received many emails seeking this information, and from what I gather, these are may be in demand for a while from those wishing to protect their Flyer from the 18v power of TMCC. Phil K >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34928	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed

Joe, Type "acrylonitrile butadiene styrene copolymers" into google. ABS in various forms and grades is the work horse thermoplastic for toy trains these days. GE's web site (Polymerland) will list many grades. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/8/2005 11:45:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, joehigg@... writes: Can you tell me were to look in the product decription to find the type of plastic used, eg. ABS Thank You [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34929	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Lionel stuff

Hi all, Because the K-line has been nit-picked to death for entering into "S" lets take a closer look at Lionel's new offerings. For example, I bought the Moe & Joe lumber car. Although I do not have a Gilbert version to compare it against, I hear that the mechanism for dumping has been improved. Here are the negatives. It came with a cheap, non-flyer button. I also bought a new 583a which did come with a flyer button. You would think that this would have been the other way around because the Gilbert accessories have been used by both S & O gaugers because of their size while the Moe & Joe car would be bought exclusively by the "S" community. The activation arm on the lumber car "flies in the face of the Gilbert tradition" and it appears fragile and unlikely to last 5 months, no less 50 years. The activation arm is also on the side of the car that dumps, opposite from my 719 and 714 etc. This also "flies in the face of the Gilbert tradition" and makes it difficult to blend into the scenery. Although I haven't seen anything except an artist's rendition of the new 919, it also appears to activate on the dumping side. I hope that I am wrong. The trucks are the worst in the industry yet the Lionel AF running stock costs as much as S-helpers beautiful, detailed, smooth rolling cars. Just like K-line, Lionel is using old molds and have been doing so for over 20 years with no sign of improvement. At least the K-line products are priced reasonably for what they are. Perhaps if the market accepts them for what they are, a starter option, future offerings may include items higher in quality like their 1:48 scale offerings. We know that Lionel won't change. The marketplace is the final poll, vote with your dollars. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34930	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: Train Layouts

I believe the place you are referring to is actually in Flemington, NJ, about 30 to 45 minutes from New York City, depending on where you are in the city. Went there recently and it was definitely worth the trip. Cost was about $14 and we spent over two hours just touring the (gigantic)layout. You can get further information from their website: http://www.northlandz.com/ Good luck, Tom --- "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> wrote: > > > > I will be traveling to the east coast in April and > May. I am trying to set > up an itenerary that includes several moldel > railroads. I have heard there > is a huge HO layout in New York that cost several > million dollars to build. > Does anyone have a link? > > Please recommend worthwhile layouts. > > I will be coming from the west coast and will hit DC > and New York. > > Robert E. Yablonski > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34931	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Opinions - we all have 'em

No one on this list should be made to feel bad because of their opinion. If you express an opinion I suggest to acknowledge that you realize that it is 'just your opinion' or (IMHO). We don't need strings of opinions about opinions. Please remember that very rarely (like almost never) can you change someone else's opinion to align with yours. Repeating your opinion does not convince others of its merit. Extra points are not given for getting in the 'last word'. Please feel free to let opinion-based threads die. Many of us are not interested in hearing opinions. We are more interested in helping folks enjoy their trains. If you like a product 'buy it', if you don't like it, 'don't buy it'. If you have a product in your hand and would like to share your experience, that's great. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34932	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed

Thank you, but that dosen't answer my question. How do you know that that type of plastic was used specifically for the items you mentioned. Is it listed in the Lionel description somewhere or is it speculation or just your quess or assumption? Thank you --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > Joe, > > Type "acrylonitrile butadiene styrene copolymers" into google. ABS in various > forms and grades is the work horse thermoplastic for toy trains these days. > > GE's web site (Polymerland) will list many grades. > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 3/8/2005 11:45:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > joehigg@l... writes: > Can you tell me were to look in the product decription to find the > type of plastic used, eg. ABS > > Thank You > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34933	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: New uses for over the hill box cars

Yo Everyone: I'm a Flyer S collector operator. I'm an engineer with Motorola that travels all week working all around the US. I usually get a chance to peruse the local train shops where ever I'm at. I've picked up some nice stuff and I picked up some things that need work. In that need work category lately I've found a way to reuse and spiff up those beat up AF boxcars and reefers. I'll get a boxcar on the cheap that's missing doors or slides or side graphics, but a straight body with nothing missing from the ends or top. Busted catwalk ends and missing brake wheels are acceptable. I take these home and sand the sides flush. A stationary belt sander is great for this. You don't turn it on, you just run the car side down the belt by hand until the side is devoid of any detail. Next you get a pair of cardstock boxcar/reefer sides. Ebay has them, usually in the S other Manufacturers category. The ones I've got are the old billboard reefer types, quite nice. Trim the cardstock to size, glue it on. Voila! You got a car that is now reincarnated.Add details if you want to the sides ladders, grab irons etc. I run the ones I've done in a consist with other cardstock and wood cars including a hopper, a tank car, and a caboose. It's kind of a respectful nod to modellers a half century ago. This is my first posting in which I didn't ask a question for the group to answer. Hope you like it. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34934	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2005
Subject: Re: New Handcar & Shed

Joe, I just know. <wink> All the train manufactureres are mostly using some grade of ABS these days. A potential alternative would be high impact polystyrene (HIPS), but it has insufficient resistance to oils. Dr. Robert Bubeck Senior Scientist and Professor Michigan Molecular Institute Midland, MI 48640. In a message dated 3/9/2005 6:22:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, joehigg@... writes: How do you know that that type of plastic was used specifically for the items you mentioned? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34935	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed

My opinion is that the seller owns the item until the gavel falls or the time ends. The seller can do whatever he/shee wishes until then. Tom -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; mike thielle <mthielle@...>; Ralph Loveless <RalCor888@...> Sent: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:54:12 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed The below is a email I sent to Ebay. I will live with whatever they say is okay. Me, I think this is wrong, but then it is one own opinion on what is right. I can live with those who think this is okay. Use a reserve to protect yourself in what you what overall. I will post the Ebay reply. I agree with the person who also wrote that they don't look at things with slow loading pictures. Neither do I. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlmarmer@...> To: <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed > > Ask about bidding or buying > Problems with sellers > The problem you're having with your seller isn't listed > > Member or Item being reported: murph52 > > Message: I came across the seller Murph52 while looking at some listings for American Flyer trains. > > On all of his listing he states the following: > *********************************************************** > > I reserve the right to end any auction early if it has not received a bid by the last 24hrs.. > ********************************************************** > > Is this allowed by Ebay? I don't think it should be, as then, everyone will be doing this, if they are not happy with the way the bidding is going for their item. > > Thank you, > > Mike Marmer > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34936	From: wintermutedm	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: New uses for over the hill box cars

Do you have any pictures of both final products or some of the process? My kids have a couple of cars they picked up for cheap and want to "rehab". If the process isn't too difficult, I might have my oldest try it out (youngest just gets to paint for now). I don't know if we already have this, but I think a set of links in a "how to" section would be pretty helpful. It could list links directly to existing pages (like Carl's excellent information on TMCC or Doug's great how-to pages). Also, someone mentioned doing something like archiving the S-Gaugian Roundhouse articles...maybe even publishing them in a book of some sort... I think that is another great idea. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, romoyer@a... wrote: > > Yo Everyone: > > I'm a Flyer S collector operator. I'm an engineer with Motorola that travels all week working all around the US. I usually get a chance to peruse the local train shops where ever I'm at. I've picked up some nice stuff and I picked up some things that need work. In that need work category lately I've found a way to reuse and spiff up those beat up AF boxcars and reefers. I'll get a boxcar on the cheap that's missing doors or slides or side graphics, but a straight body with nothing missing from the ends or top. Busted catwalk ends and missing brake wheels are acceptable. I take these home and sand the sides flush. A stationary belt sander is great for this. You don't turn it on, you just run the car side down the belt by hand until the side is devoid of any detail. Next you get a pair of cardstock boxcar/reefer sides. Ebay has them, usually in the S other Manufacturers category. The ones I've got are the old billboard reefer types, quite nice. Trim the cardstock to size, glue it on. Voila! You got a car that is now reincarnated.Add details if you want to the sides ladders, grab irons etc. I run the ones I've done in a consist with other cardstock and wood cars including a hopper, a tank car, and a caboose. It's kind of a respectful nod to modellers a half century ago. > This is my first posting in which I didn't ask a question for the group to answer. Hope you like it. > > Regards > Bob Moyer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34937	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

Sorry for being late but the March list has finally been posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com I have been going through cancer tests culminating with bladder biopsy surgery yesterday so I have been a little distracted(and moving very slowly). I don't normally talk about such things in public but I have been friends with so many of you since we started this list (remember, I'm the sponsor?) that I figured you were wondering where I was. I'll keep you informed. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34938	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: TOO MUCH ..TOO LATE

RE: k-Line I set up a D shaped loop around my lady friends piano around Christmas. She has most of the Lemax village houses ( Similar to Dept. 56) which I also put around the circumference. I finally fixed my Frontier#88 loco and 3 cars and put them on the track and added a K-Line PRR caboose so there would be a lite car at the end. It looked great as the oversized caboose fit the oversized engine and cars and let the little kids next door play with it .Everybody loved it so K-line does have it uses. Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34939	From: David Engle	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: TOO MUCH ..TOO LATE

If K-Line's best asset is attracting the little ones, then we teach them "craft modeling" later, we may need to bite the bullet and use them; what else is there? Thomas the Tank Engine empire, and well, where's the lime juice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34940	From: John Foley	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: NASG/AM HW's

Hi Folks I have only 3 NASG/AM Tuscan 10-1-2's left. Email me if interested in the Tuscan cars The CN cars are getting low. Have some in body body styles Also I have some 2 tone gray cars left. Have some in both body styles the gray 10-1-2's were used by, B&M FEC Monon MP SAL SR the gry 12-1's were used by, B&O C&O GM&O IC NKP NYC John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34941	From: John Foley	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Timonium MD Train Show

Hi Folks I am looking for volunteers to help setup and operate the NASG switching layout at The Great Scale Model Train Show at the Maryland state fairgrounds this Aprill 16th & 17th. If interested let me know. BTW here is the shows website http://www.gsmts.com/ John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34942	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: TOO MUCH ..TOO LATE

I think ANY train or train/rail activity that reaches the public has a use. The only way this hobby is going to grow is if WE, the ones in now, share it. Wether you are a toy, scaler or "real railer", share the word, invite a friend along, bring a kid. Over 6000 attended the Allentown (PA) show Feb 26 & 27. Lots of little ones being carried, pushed in strollers etc. The parents/grandparents had them there for some reason. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34943	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Track building info?

Y'all.....I'm still planning on building a Micro layout in S gauge, but I'm running into trouble. I'm going to need to scratchbuild turnouts to tight radius and with live frogs so short locos don't stall. I've never built track before, so I'll need info and equipment. Can anyone point me to a source of S track gauges, rail benders, rail, ties, etc. I also need info(book, magazine, website)on how to do this. Should I use PC ties and solder rail, spike it down, or use contact cement to lay track? Inquiring mind wants to know... Stumpy Stone...still learning after all these years...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34944	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Happy S Day

Please don't forget that you have only 5 more shopping days to the greatest holiday in the world. Why, what is that? S Day on March 16th!! Happy S Day on 3/16!!!!!!!! Make sure you stop at any mall to have your picture taken with Saint A.C. Gilbert, the savior of those being held hostage by Mr. Leonard Cohen, I mean Joshua Cowen. Thank you and shop early! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34945	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: Happy S Day

Mike and all you "S Gauger/Scalers! Yes I converted from that other kind of train "O" Gauge, and I am looking forward to celebrating HAPPY S DAY on - 3/16! All though we may have a few differences in our rank with S gauge, but the divisions in that O Gauge are tremendous. May I wish the rest of you a Happy S Day! From a Former O Gauger Jerry Matsick mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Please don't forget that you have only 5 more shopping days to the greatest holiday in the world. Why, what is that? S Day on March 16th!! Happy S Day on 3/16!!!!!!!! Make sure you stop at any mall to have your picture taken with Saint A.C. Gilbert, the savior of those being held hostage by Mr. Leonard Cohen, I mean Joshua Cowen. Thank you and shop early! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34946	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Re: Happy S Day

Don't forget to bring you S list wants when you see Saint Gilbert at your local mall. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Happy S Day > > > Please don't forget that you have only 5 more shopping days to the greatest holiday in the world. > > Why, what is that? > > S Day on March 16th!! > > Happy S Day on 3/16!!!!!!!! > > Make sure you stop at any mall to have your picture taken with Saint A.C. Gilbert, the savior of those being held hostage by Mr. Leonard Cohen, I mean Joshua Cowen. > > Thank you and shop early! > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34947	From: ecphora123	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: Docksider

Hi is the Flyonel Docksider out on the market as yet? I'm wondering what it might take to convert the thing to scale. Might make a nifty little project! Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34948	From: NASG Library	Date: 3/10/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [nasgmembers] NASG/AM HW's]

All -- Two minor corrections to the data below: 1. The grey cars were also used heavily in Pullman pool service ("General Service") on nearly all US railroads that offered sleeper service. (Major exceptions -- UP and SP, which used a different color scheme.) 2. I have it on good authority (Roger Nulton, Monon expert) that the Monon had no grey cars. Monon used a few Pullman Green cars (never repainted grey) and one car specially painted grey and red. Dick Karnes ================= -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [nasgmembers] NASG/AM HW's Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Foley <Foleys1@...> Reply-To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com To: NASG Members <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com>, s-scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Hi Folks I have only 3 NASG/AM Tuscan 10-1-2's left. Email me if interested in the Tuscan cars The CN cars are getting low. Have some in body body styles Also I have some 2 tone gray cars left. Have some in both body styles the gray 10-1-2's were used by, B&M FEC Monon MP SAL SR the gry 12-1's were used by, B&O C&O GM&O IC NKP NYC John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129mmiibg/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1706533818:HM/EXP=1110576766/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: nasgmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:nasgmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34949	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Story about a trainstore in Orange County, CA

I have an 84 year old uncle, Dave who is in great condition and still drives and rides his bike 25 miles a day (wish I could do that). Anyway I gave my uncle a starter train set of American Flyer so that he would have something to occupy his time and keep him happy. Well he has gotten into it big time and has even bought the Mikado two weeks ago. Uncle Dave went into "The Toy TrainShop" in Anaheim, CA and bought 5 cars and some track in February. I was there with him. At that time I asked Ron the owner to "sell" not give Uncle Dave some replacement knuckle couplers so that Dave could replace the Link couplers that were on 3 of the 5 cars Dave just bought from Ron. Ron proceed to say, "If I gave my parts to all the guys in this area who fix their own stuff I would not have parts left for myself". I said well than you should order more parts, Ron. I had to "beg" this guy for 30 minutes to sell Dave two knuckle couplers. I said to Ron, come on, make an old man happy. Uncle Dave wants to fix his own cars to give himself something to do at home. Finally Ron sold the 2 parts to Dave. Yesterday, Dave went into Ron's store and said, "I want to thank you Ron for selling me the knuckle couplers I had fun putting them on could I get a couple more?" Now remember these are for cars purchased from this guy. Ron refused to sell my uncle even 2 more parts and said the only way he can get the parts was to have his shop put them on. I told Uncle Dave the guy has to be nuts to treat folks that way. It's not the money sometimes it's the pleasure of doing the work. Now the Train Shack in Burbank, CA if you go in there and need a repair part and they have it they will sell you the part. They want their customers to be happy even when their customers fix their own stuff. Apparently some of the shops here in California don't like those of us who take great pleasure in fixing our own things. I have since ordered Uncle Dave some parts from Gilbert-Guru as they are very nice folks and have parts for reasonable prices.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34950	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Public apology for not responding regarding my 20440 set

When I offered up our 20440 set I got several nice responses and I used my other email address to reply. I had received an offer from a friend who asked me to hold the set and than that person backed out. For the past month I have not been home very much and have not been on the computer as much as I like to be. I received several offers from some of you that were reasonable and I wanted to say thanks so much for your responses. I have never sold anything on eBay before and thought I might try to do a little better than the highest offer to me that was $1150.00. I am still interested in speaking to anyone who wants the set. I have not even had the time to study the cost of what eBay would charge me. Therefore as of this moment my 20440 set is still for sale if anyone is interested. The one thing that I did get out of last post to you on this board is a better understanding of what we have. The engines are in good shape and run very good except that the 21918-1 does have the normal crack behind the screw.There are no missing parts or steps. All of the pieces have all the decals in nice condition, no rust. The caboose has a missing smoke stack but is in very nice condition and my personal favorite piece. If anyone is still interested please email me at my other email address which is psyborg@... I will try to get on this board more often as I find the people to be very nice and enjoy reading the posts. I actually have a very interesting story to tell you all about a trainstore in the Orange County, CA area.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34951	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Celebrate National S-Gauge Day

(This article originally appeared in the March issue of the "S Say," newsletter of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, Boise, Idaho.) If you have any fireworks left over from last summer, shooting them off on Wednesday, March 16, would be appropriate. It would certainly get the neighbors to talking. March 16 - 3/16 - is National S-Gauge Day. While the rest of the world turns its attention to green beer and leprechauns that week, we celebrate the "true" little people, those who are a bit over one inch tall, and who happily inhabit a world commensurate with their size. Though everyone else toasts St. Patrick of Eire, we are proud to honor St. Gilbert the Toymaker. Here's to you, A.C. <clink> John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34952	From: Mac	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: E-Bay

I just wanted to add my 2 cents to this discussion. When you're a seller, and you check your "My Ebay" pages for "Items I'm Selling", E-Bay lists the # of watchers in addition to the #, if any, of bidders. This by way of saying, that as a seller, you do have a pretty fair idea if an item is going to sell or be bid up by simply seeing how many folks are watching your item. I currently have a boxcar with ( people watching. I figure it will sell. Sniping is the process of entering a bid in the last few seconds. There are numerous on-line sites where you can set up an automatic bidding system that will go in at the last couple of seconds, place your maximum bid and maybe you'll win one. I've done it myself by having two windows open, one to watch the time and one to place the bid. I missed more that I've hit but it's kinda fun. If you really want an item though, enter your maximum in the last hour or so and go from there. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34953	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Ebay question

Last week I brought up a question about a seller who states he would end a bid if there are no bids on the item with 24 hours to go. Alot of emails came, both for the question and against, as that is fine. So, to see what Ebay would say, I asked them by email. I used the seller as an example. They responded MANY days later, as they said they would respond in less than 48 hours. (Heck I already won one of his non bid items for 9.99 plus 6 for shipping on a 50 dollar AF item! O:)! It is due here Monday, as I got a UPS notice on email) When the response came last night and they said they can't respond to the question due to privacy of the seller rights! Today I got a survey from ebay and re-stated the question in general, is this acceptable, as then anyone can do that, when they are satisfied with how something is going. A trend maybe? My purpose of this email is not to start up a discussion of the subject, as all has been written, as there are people for the act and those against, which we all have opinions and I respect all for their opinions. But I couldn't get a answer from Ebay, as I tried. I will see if they respone back with something. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34954	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2603

Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:20:10 -0000 From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Subject: Track building info? Y'all.....I'm still planning on building a Micro layout in S gauge, but I'm running into trouble. I'm going to need to scratchbuild turnouts to tight radius and with live frogs so short locos don't stall. I've never built track before, so I'll need info and equipment. Can anyone point me to a source of S track gauges, rail benders, rail, ties, etc. I also need info(book, magazine, website)on how to do this. Should I use PC ties and solder rail, spike it down, or use contact cement to lay track? Inquiring mind wants to know... Stumpy Stone...still learning after all these years...in Martins Ferry, OH. Stumpy: Use pikemaster switches and track, any tighter radius won't be sufficient to run any Flyer. If you want an extremely small display go with Marklin, I have a 2'-3" x 3'-6" two level layout I take to show, but it on my table to help sell Flyer. I have had good luck. Jerry 77-11644 p.s. Most Flyer people I know usually end up with Marklin as a second layout.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34955	From: John Foley	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Pullman Green Heavy Weights

Hi Folks I now have eight of each of the Pullman green 12-1's & 10-1-2's in stock. I have no more decls left so these cars will sell for $60. each plus shipping. You can go here http://www.nasg.org/hwpullmans.html for an order blank. Just put down $60 instead of $65. other railroads had these Pullmans bsides the ones listed on the website. Go to http://www.branchline-trains.com/blueprint/passengercars/10-1-2sleeper/10-1-2_sleeper.htm#PRICES Click on 12-1 or 10-1-2 sleepers to see photos of other railroads who have them. If you plan on buying any let me no off this digest John Foley NASG Promotions www.nasg.org _____________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/emreg Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34956	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 13, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34957	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Re: Transformer power draw

Dear Rett: What brand and model capacitor are you using. Where is it applied? Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:48:57 -0500 (EST) From: rtg@... Subject: (unknown) Subject: Transformer power draw - GreetingS - The question was recently posed regarding the power required by an AF transformer operating with no load. The transformer in question was perhaps a 19B. Don't have one. Wish I did. But here are some results including a good stand-in. AF 30B 120 V 0.38 A 6 W 45 VA power factor 0.13 power factor was corrected a bit with 8 uF capacitor AF 30B pfc 120 V 0.19 A 6 W 23 VA pf 0.31 Lionel Type V 120 V 0.15 A 6 W 17 VA pf 0.35 power factor was corrected a bit with 2.5 uF capacitor Type V pfc 120 V 0.09 A 6 W 10 VA pf 0.60 Acme Electric Corporation industrial controls transformer T-81057 120 V 0.47 A 12 W 58 VA pf 0.21 power factor was corrected a bit with 8 uF capacitor T-81057 pfc 129 V 0.22 A 12 W 26 VA pf 0.46 Readings were taken with an Electronic Product Design, Inc, Power Line Meter and corroborated with readings from 55+ year old Weston wattmeter, voltmeter, and ammeter. All three transformers are designed to a price >> saturate the iron magnetically. This causes harmonic distortion in the current at frequen- cies of 180 Hz and 300 Hz. Capacitors are used to correct power factor but can only correct for that at 60 Hz since this is the frequency property of the voltage used. [Capacitance is increased until the current cannot be made lower. If the power factor does not become close to 1.0, it is because the uncorrected current is not at 60 Hz. Not to worry. Virtually all electro- magnetic devices such as transformers and motors saturate the iron to some degree and produce currents with harmonic content.] The Acme transformer was included because it is my favorite accessory power supply on modular layouts assembled by members of the Carolinas Division of Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Using it means a reduction in the load served by the trustworthy 30B. This yields cooler operation and longer insulation life. Hope this helps. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34958	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2005
Subject: Re: Celebrate National S-Gauge Day

Excellent Idea to celebrate National S-Gauge Day and St. Patti's Day ! I will join in the celebration by running my Southern FP7s, F3's, 283 and 290 in Southern green and gold. You don't need green beer if you run Southern engines. - Earl O'Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34959	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"

As you all know after 45 years of O gauge railroading that I made a drastic and excited change to the wonderful world of S Gauge/S Scale model railroading. Please explain why you see at times 3/16" and or 1/64"? S - gauge I know is the distance between the 2 rails, and S - Scale is the exact measurement of the actual unit? but what about the other? 3/16" and 1/64" Jerry Matsick TCA 04-57715 NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34960	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: Sears Christmas Catalog 1952

Great Price $ 23.98 HAPPI TIME 6 unit Electric Freight Set by Marx - Beautiful scaled 3/16" detailed die cast Pacific steam loco, with 3/16" tender and 5 3/16" tin lithographed freight cars. Note: Happi Time was the name used for the Marx sets that were sold in their stores back then. GENERAL COMMENT: Those who remember this set, the 3/16" tender was a beautifully detaied unit, hopefully K-Lines version will be equally as nice. Jerry Matsick TCA 04-57715 NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34961	From: Bruce	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Marklin S-Gauge?

Am I to understand from this that Marklin has S-gauge track and that it has a smaller radius than Flyer, but will run Flyer trains? Bruce Willis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@j...> wrote: If you want an extremely small display go with Marklin, I have a 2'- 3" x 3'-6" two level layout I take to shows; put it on my table to help sell Flyer. I have had good luck. Jerry 77-11644 p.s. Most Flyer people I know usually end up with Marklin as a second layout.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34962	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Auction today the 12th

Hi All, There is a train auction today at the Lloyd Ralston Gallery. There seems to be a fair amount of Flyer along with the 17% premium. Bill Lucas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34963	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: S day - St. Patrick's Day

S day is the day before St. Patrick's Day. I'll spend the 16th getteing my pipes ready for my 28th march up Broadway in Manhattan on the 17th. That's my other hobby. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34964	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"

S scale is 3/16" = 1 foot, or 1/64 scale (not 1/64"). Multiply, 3/16" x 64 = 12" = 1 ft. Clearly, the so-called "new" Magic Marxie trains egregiously violate this rule. <wink> Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/12/2005 12:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: Please explain why you see at times 3/16" and or 1/64"? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34965	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"

Jerry, I believe you, or your sources, are confusing [1/64] with [1/64"]. The latter is wrong! 3/16 inch on the model equaling 1 foot on the prototype is exactly the same as 1 foot on the model equaling 64 feet on the prototype. They both simply mean one-sixty fourth the size. Surely you must recall the ENDLESS hassle over the same thing in "O", where it does not come out so handily for real-life use. 1/4" to the foot would be 1/48 - this leads to unmanageable "scale" passenger cars, for one example. And, it is why, for over 50 years, I have thought Lionel trains looked weird! Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34966	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: S day - St. Patrick's Day

I was just wondering if there are any S hobbyists in Ireland. Didn't see any in S Directory but one never knows. After all there are S Gauge layouts in France, Norway, NZ, etc. Would be nice to see an Irish Layout on St Pats/ S Day with perhaps a S-Helper Guinness Logo refrigerator car at the Guinness brewery, maybe..., or a S-Helper St Pats caboose with a Leprechaun on the back, or a Green river/pond, shades of the Chicago River/? Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34967	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"

Jerry, It's fairly basic. In O scale, the ratio is 1/48, in other words, a model is 1/48th actual size. 1/4" equals a foot. (One foot times 1/48 equals 1/4") And the gauge of the track is, uh, O Gauge (Lionel), unless you're in O scale, then the gauge is 1 3/16" or some such dimension specified by the NMRA or other standards group, being as how 4' 8 1/2" (standard gauge track) scales out to about that dimension. Likewise, in S scale, the ratio is 1/64. In other words a model is 1/64th actual size. 3/16" equals a foot. (One foot times 1/64 equals 3/16") And the gauge of the track is, uh, S gauge (American Flyer), unless you're in S scale, then the gauge is 0.883" to 0.909" (minimum and maximum) as defined by the NASG. I'm not sure what the exact dimension is supposed to be for S gauge (American Flyer) track gauge, but the tinplate standards are much more tolerant of error than the scale standards. It is (usually) not possible to operate scale wheeled equipment and tinplate (Flyer) wheeled equipment on the same layout. Straight track is not the problem, but any track switches or crossings would have drastically different standards. I hope this helps. Darrell Smith --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: > > > As you all know after 45 years of O gauge railroading that I made a > drastic and excited change to the wonderful world of S Gauge/S Scale > model railroading. > > Please explain why you see at times 3/16" and or 1/64"? > > S - gauge I know is the distance between the 2 rails, and S - Scale > is the exact measurement of the actual unit? > > but what about the other? 3/16" and 1/64" > > Jerry Matsick > TCA 04-57715 > NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34968	From: G C	Date: 3/12/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"

If we look at it another way 1/64" actual equals 1 scale inch in S scale. If you have a detail on a model that measures 1/64" it would be an inch long on the real freight car, structure or what ever. Not to beat the thing to death, but a detail on a box car that is 1 inch long would be 64 inches long on the for real car as well. 3/16" actual equals 1 scale foot in S scale. It also represents 12" ( 1 foot) actual. Again, a detail on a model that measures 3/16" would be 1 foot long in the real world. 1/64th is the proportion between an S scale model and what it would look like in the real world on a life size object. We term such a proportion scale. Hope this helps a bit! Gene --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34969	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: turnouts

Darrell Smith wrote: It is (usually) not possible to operate scale wheeled equipment and tinplate (Flyer) wheeled equipment on the same layout. Straight track is not the problem, but any track switches or crossings would have drastically different standards. I felt I should comment on this topic for it appears to no longer be true. The #6 Hi-rail turnouts (which are open frog) from Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork do accommodate Flyer, Hi-rail and scale equipment, including brass (which is very different from AM and SHS scale). The new, up graded #4 should also handle all the different flange styles that S scale has to offer, however, radius will be a factor limiting larger scale engines-- just as on the real railroads. Crossings are straight line track and as such also can run the full range of S trains. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34970	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: [Strains] Digest Number 2605

Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:07:08 -0000 From: "Bruce" <willisbd@...> Subject: Marklin S-Gauge? Am I to understand from this that Marklin has S-gauge track and that it has a smaller radius than Flyer, but will run Flyer trains? Bruce Willis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@j...> wrote: If you want an extremely small display go with Marklin, I have a 2'- 3" x 3'-6" two level layout I take to shows; put it on my table to help sell Flyer. I have had good luck. Jerry 77-11644 p.s. Most Flyer people I know usually end up with Marklin as a second layout. NO Marklin has three rail & is HO gage is built very well, runs excellent, one of the oldest & largest toy manufactures in the world. Marklin has a smaller radius than HO & will make an excellent display layout to carry to train shows and play trains. My statement is that the Flyer people in my area that have a second layout it is usually a Marklin. If you want a small Flyer layout the smallest that is reliable is the Pike Master panels 17" square, 4 panels connected will make a circle 37" x 37"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34971	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Grades

My layout is still in the planning stage, and I would greatly appreciate some input from the group as to "reasonable" grades. I will be running prewar Flyer 3/16". I have a couple of 4-8-4s, and some lesser pullers as well. I would LIKE to run a consist of up to five (or so) diecast heavyweight 521/524 Pullmans. I'm thinking that 2% would be about the maximum - and - it is also about the minimum that I can hope to accommodate in the space available, without having a great deal of it on 36" radius curves. Any thoughts? Thanks very much in advance. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34972	From: firex43	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: 3-16 Day

What with all the postings regarding this the highlight of the model train year, I thought I could hear the refrain from this holiday tune; it went like this: We wish you a Merry A.C., we wish you a merry A.C., we wish you a merry A.C. and Happy Two Rails! John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34973	From: Chris	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: YORK!

Hi there fellow Yorkies. April 29th is looming large on the horizon. All good trainiacs will converge in York PA. To stand out from the crowd and be identified as one of the truly unique breed who believe that toy trains should be large enough to view without glasses yet still run on 2 rails, you will need an I.D. tag as unique as yourself. New, dated ID's for members of this list are now available for downloading and printing at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy/S-list.htm There's nothing to it but to do it. Go to that address and instructions await you. Freshen up that dog-eared old yellowed tag with a crisp new ID that tells the world that you're a happening S-Gauger. (Happening is still a cool word, isn't it?) See you there, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34974	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: 3/16" AND 1/64"

1 "S" foot = 3/16 inch, or 1/64 foot, or 1/ 337920 mile. It depends on how you are looking at it. rbubeck327@... wrote: S scale is 3/16" = 1 foot, or 1/64 scale (not 1/64"). Multiply, 3/16" x 64 = 12" = 1 ft. Clearly, the so-called "new" Magic Marxie trains egregiously violate this rule. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/12/2005 12:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: Please explain why you see at times 3/16" and or 1/64"? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34975	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 13, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34976	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: Re: Grades

Dick, I have 4% grade on my layout with no problems. You have to be careful when making grade transitions. If you have a transition at a track joint, you will probably have problems. Do a SEARCH on the messages and you will find a lot of dicussion on problems and solutions for grade. We discussed it here a couple of months back. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34977	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/13/2005
Subject: American Flyer by Lionel for Sale

I have the following extra items for sale. I figured I would offer them here prior to putting them on EBAY. Prices include USPS ground mail to USA48. If you want Insurance and or Priority mail, I can add it on. These are new in their original boxes. 6-48222 TTOS AF Tank Car. Made for British Columbia TTOS meet. British Columbia Electric Railway...$50 6-48415 Orange/black HOOKER 3 dome tank car ( MSRP was $50 ) for this group $42 shipped. 6-49011 Union Pacific Moe and Joe Operating lumber Car (msrp was $70) for this group $57 shipped. 6-49012 Sante Fe Crain Car (msrp Was $70) and 6-48723 Sante Fe Work Caboose (msrp was $50) Both as a set $105 shipped. Thanks for looking Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. TCA -87-26227 EBAY er099 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34978	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Celebrate National S-Gauge Day

(This article originally appeared in the March issue of the "S Say," newsletter of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, Boise, Idaho.) If you have any fireworks left over from last summer, shooting them off on Wednesday, March 16, would be appropriate. It would certainly get the neighbors to talking. March 16 - 3/16 - is National S-Gauge Day. While the rest of the world turns its attention to green beer and leprechauns that week, we celebrate the "true" little people, those who are a bit over one inch tall, and who happily inhabit a world commensurate with their size. Though everyone else toasts St. Patrick of Eire, we are proud to honor St. Gilbert the Toymaker. Here's to you, A.C. <clink> John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34979	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: YORK!

Chris Zizzo wrote: >Happening is still a cool word, isn't it? Oh yeah. It's groovy. And real sharp! :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34980	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Grades

Think of the fun you could have with steep grades and helper locos on the grade. Put the faster engine in front. Especially good for DCC. You could stop the train and then hook on or off the leading helper and park it on a siding. For continuous running just run a shorter train. On the PRR Elmira branch there were locations where all coal trains got a helper, such as going north loaded out of Watkins Glen up the hill toward the Lake Ontario coal dock. PRR ran both double headed and pushers- I don't know what determined the choice, probably the ease of getting the helper back to assist the next train. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <RAHosmer@...> To: <s-trains@...> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Grades > > > My layout is still in the planning stage, and I would greatly appreciate some > input from the group as to "reasonable" grades. I will be running prewar > Flyer 3/16". I have a couple of 4-8-4s, and some lesser pullers as well. I would > LIKE to run a consist of up to five (or so) diecast heavyweight 521/524 > Pullmans. I'm thinking that 2% would be about the maximum - and - it is also about > the minimum that I can hope to accommodate in the space available, without > having a great deal of it on 36" radius curves. Any thoughts? Thanks very much in > advance. > > Dick Hosmer > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34981	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Fw: [toytrainstrading] AF B&O MIKADO SET FOR SALE

I will forward this along, incase someone is looking for this. I have no idea if this price is reasonable or not. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: toytrainstrading@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [toytrainstrading] AF B&O MIKADO SET FOR SALE Greetings, Have one Mint Box AF #6-49612 B&O Mikado Passenger Set for sale. Includes #6-48965 passenger 2-pak. These items are mint and unrun. Factory shipping carton included with set. $1125.00 plus $20.00 UPS Ground. Photos available via e-mail. Regards, Jerry --- Train Collectors Association Toy Trains Trading Mailing List (3TML) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrainstrading Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrainstrading/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: toytrainstrading-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34982	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: S Violations

Lionel AF trucks?????? So how can the car be 1/64. You pick either a S Scale Body with Lionel or S Scale trucks with K-line. So you compromise on both, but one costs 1/2 as much for the compromise. Best __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34983	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: S Violations

The Magic Marxie bodies look out of place in a consist regardless of the trucks. The Marx Pacific verges on the terminally ugly (It is a mishmash of steam engine cliches) and will look out of place when placed next to the classic Gilbert die-cast engines and the new SHS Consol and AF Mike. The harping on price rather than quality should give folks cause for caution. If you don't like Flyonel, there is SHS, AM, etc........ In a message dated 3/14/2005 10:08:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, aztecfan@... writes: Lionel AF trucks?????? So how can the car be 1/64. You pick either a S Scale Body with Lionel or S Scale trucks with K-line. So you compromise on both, but one costs 1/2 as much for the compromise. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34984	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Grades

You might have a problem just pulling all of that heavy cast on a level layout... Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34985	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Grades

Take a very close look at the trucks under the cars.. Can they be "bushed" or lubricated to increase rollability, decrease friction. Shame S-Helper isn't making 3/16 "O" trucks. Maybe some other MFG'r has trucks that will roll easier. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34986	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2606

HELP I an in the process of building a growler ( a device to charge or re flux a Alnico permanent magnet ) to rejuvenate the magnets on the small DC Gilbert motors. Any help would be appreciated. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34987	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: extra boxes

Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has any extra Pacific Rail shops boxes. I have been buying some cars on eBay and they have been arriving without any boxes. I could use up to 5) 50' and 10) 40' boxes. I don't care what is written on the ends, just as long they are in reasonable condition. Let me know what you have please! Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34988	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2606

Jerry: Perhaps you can use an old Auto Mechanics Trick. Take a long wire and wrap it many times around the object you want magnetized. Be sure to leave 10 inch lengths sticking off each end. Go to your car and raise the hood. Place one wire on a battery terminal. Then swipe the other end across the other terminal. Do it quickly and don't worry about the spark. Your object will then be magnetized. Reverse the wires and do it again if your polarity is incorrect. You may want to try this on a screwdriver first. Good luck! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34989	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: The Laws Railroad museum needs your input--Save the Water Tank.

Yes, it is not S, but it is railroad related. A few days ago and attempt was made to straighten the water tank at the old Laws (CA) railroad depot site. If you're not familiar with Laws, it is the old SP Narrow Gauge station site, that was donated to Inyo county intact, complete with steam train and tracks, turntable, station, water tank, back in (I think) 1956. The museum there has surrround the site with old buildings and recreations of old buildings, and IMHO, the museum board cares a bit more for their "village" than for the railroad part of the site. Since it's collapse, there have been ideas floated to rebuild in a smaller scale--something that will effect their national registry status, and will not be true preservation. This idea is mostly being pushed by "Lefty", one of the directors who apparently has a lot of pull. However, many people have expressed a desire to not only have the tank be rebuilt, but to have it rebuilt to it's pre-1953 condition. Apparently in 1953, the SP put a tin roof on the tank to replace the wood roof that partaily caved in. One of the Inoy County Supervisors, Susan Cash, is in favor of doing "the right thing" but she needs support from others to convince the other supervisors of both the importance of the railroad site, the water tank, and proper preservation. To quote a recent posting to the spng group, " To any that want to express your opinion about the water tank Susan Cash is the Inyo County Suervisor to contact , her email is Cash93514@... " the SPNG group is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/-spng-/ If you know of others who would be interested in this "save the tank campaign", please forward this to them. A pic of the tank aftermath has just been posted at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/-spng-/files/Mvc-003f.jpg I return you now to your regular programming, and Happy S Day! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34990	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/14/2005
Subject: I got sniped

I give up..... for a week I was high bidder at 105.00 on a TCA car in "O"........ well I decided to raise my bid to over 200..... then I decided to just buy the item...... so I threw in a 321.00 bid..... over twice what the item is worth..... you guessed it .... at 13 sec...... 326!!!!!!!... seems like I am getting outbid on everything lately..... A pass set..... lost..... cars lost..... and in some cases I had put in stupid high bids.... except the dimestore cars prototypes..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34991	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped

Bob, Maybe you did a good thing to the sniper, as you caused him to pay $326 for a car that going for $105.00 at the almost the end of the bid, as I have no idea the real value of the car, as I know you wanted it, but maybe it might be a blessing that you lost it in the end for $321. Maybe this is the lesson that these people need to learn who throw in real high bids just to win a item. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I got sniped > > > I give up..... for a week I was high bidder at 105.00 on a TCA car in "O"........ well I decided to raise my bid to over 200..... then I decided to just buy the item...... so I threw in a 321.00 bid..... over twice what the item is worth..... you guessed it .... at 13 sec...... 326!!!!!!!... seems like I am getting outbid on everything lately..... A pass set..... lost..... cars lost..... and in some cases I had put in stupid high bids.... except the dimestore cars prototypes..... Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34992	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Meaningful Subjects - Please Read

This is a reminder... There are many diverse interests included in our group, and many members use the subject line to help filter out notes on the list that are outside of their interests. 1) If you reply to a Digest , please retype/rename the subject to reflect the topic of your message. Also please only include the part of the digest that you are replying to. 2) If your note is about ebay, please include the word 'ebay' in the title. 3) If you are offering items for sale, indicate something like "For Sale:Gilbert Flyer" in your subject line. 4) If you note is OFF TOPIC, it might be rejected, but if you add 'off topic' to the subject and we might let it go through. It all depends on how far 'off topic' it is. Thanks again, Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34993	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped

Sorry you got sniped, I understand exactly how you feel, but... My opinion is; say what you will about sniping, but it is the only intelligent way to buy anything on ebay. It may not be fair in your mind, but it is fair enough in enough people's mind that it is how things are bought on almost every auction I bid in. Plus it is not against any rule on ebay. It seems that there is a high probability that whatever amount I bid someone else will think it is worth a dollar (or what ever minimum bid is) more. If you bid a fair amount a week early it just gives more people a chance to test your high bid. Bidding early favors only ebay and the seller. The only time I bid early is for kind of a "marker" bid. (yes I know about auction watch) If you and someone else bid twice what an item is worth, then it must be worth twice what you think to someone else and you. If someone has gotten a real deal on a set, minus one item, they may value the item left at what it takes to make their total investment in a set reasonable. This is why even though I usually bid in the last few seconds I never put in more than I really want to pay. People may believe that sniping is somehow morally unfair and inappropriate, but it is not against the rules according to ebay and it is THEIR game. The reason I am a sniper is same reason you are frustrated by getting sniped. "Confessed sniper for many years now" -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] I got sniped I give up..... for a week I was high bidder at 105.00 on a TCA car in "O"........ well I decided to raise my bid to over 200..... then I decided to just buy the item...... so I threw in a 321.00 bid..... over twice what the item is worth..... you guessed it .... at 13 sec...... 326!!!!!!!... seems like I am getting outbid on everything lately..... A pass set..... lost..... cars lost..... and in some cases I had put in stupid high bids.... except the dimestore cars prototypes..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34994	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: Save the Water Tank.....Careful

You had better research the rules since you mentioned Nat. Reg..... If it is a Historic Site you can get into probs just touching it.... Last year I was well back into a Cave looking at old Saltpeter, Confererate, leeching vats made of wood, and still filled with old material, Bat Guano...... Potassium Nitrate...... Several are on the verge of DANGEROUSLY collasping.... I suggested that they add a small wire loop from front to back to stabalize them and make them safer for the public...... I was informed the the Historis rules and LAWS prevent and tampering with Natures course of any action....... Heavy fines and jail time could be issued if the Feds find anything done to them to stop the narural actions...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:30 PM > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34995	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2606

I found an article in Model Railroader Sept. 1972, pg. 59, claims this is possible, I though I would give it a try. This may be old technology, but it might work on old motors. Thanks for the input. Jerry On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:15:53 EST WEG138@... writes: Jerry: Perhaps you can use an old Auto Mechanics Trick. Take a long wire and wrap it many times around the object you want magnetized. Be sure to leave 10 inch lengths sticking off each end. Go to your car and raise the hood. Place one wire on a battery terminal. Then swipe the other end across the other terminal. Do it quickly and don't worry about the spark. Your object will then be magnetized. Reverse the wires and do it again if your polarity is incorrect. You may want to try this on a screwdriver first. Good luck! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34996	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped

Hey..... Sorry I too am a confessed sniper..... Ask Tom W....... Ha Ha...... But the prob that comes up is now everybody thinks thes cars are worth up to 350.00.... I bet if I had bid 500 to be safe...... I still would have lost this time.........Maybe new game for sniping.... See how high you can go and still loose...... !!!!!!!... But there will be nore......... and i too throw in Marker bids....... But I only bid really high to be sure of getting it...... the other guy did too..... I once needed 1 PEP paper Airplane to finish out a set...... I threw out a 100 bid on a 20 item...... I won.... but the other guy did the same...... I was first with 100... have found several of these for under 20...... Just the one to finish a set..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> > > My opinion is; say what you will about sniping, but it is the only > intelligent way to buy anything on ebay. It may not be fair in your mind, > but it is fair enough in enough people's mind that it is how things are > bought on almost every auction I bid in. Plus it is not against any rule > on > ebay...... I USE A STOPWATCH.... CAN GET DOWN TO 2 SECONDS. > > It seems that there is a high probability that whatever amount I bid > someone > else will think it is worth a dollar (or what ever minimum bid is) > more........... TRUE > If you bid a fair amount a week early it just gives more people a chance > to > test your high bid.... TRUE > If you and someone else bid twice what an item is worth, then it must be > worth twice what you think to someone else and you..... NOT REALLY > > If someone has gotten a real deal on a set, minus one item, they may value > the item left at what it takes to make their total investment in a set > reasonable. This is why even though I usually bid in the last few seconds > I > never put in more than I really want to pay....... ME TOO..... BUT LAST > ITEM I NEED FOR A SET > > People may believe that sniping is somehow morally unfair and > inappropriate, > but it is not against the rules according to ebay and it is THEIR > game...... SEE NEW GAME NOTE ABOVE > > The reason I am a sniper is same reason you are frustrated by getting > sniped...... NOT REALLY FRUSTERATED..... JUST LAUGHING

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34997	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped

Guys...... I know a fellow who had an item he paid 2.00 for...... It was a 1.00 bill with the serial number *000000001.... Best offer he had from coin dealers was 180.00.... He put it on e-bay several years ago..... 99.99 opening bid.... 999.99 reserve...... didn't want to sell it...... The bidders went nuts...... it closed on Sunday morn, after seeing 100 to 500.00 jumps in the last seconds...... FINAL CLOSE $ 7,200.00.... the check came a few days later with a note........ " Boy did I pay a lot for the Bill".... It was shipped out a few days later after I took the check to the bank and cashed it.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34998	From: esetterman	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: am k-4 &flyer alcos

would like to know what everyone thinks about the american model penn k-4 loco? surely someone must have a opinion on this product. what are the strong points and what are the weak points? now for a different subject--alcos. anyone have any ideas on which is best the new can motor alcos or the original flyer style.i have ran both and find the newer style can motors not as good .they are much noiser, (esp the mp 1991 can motors)cant seem to pull as much as the original ones and don't have that ozone smell we all grew up with. since everything is going up in price maybe we should all write lionel and ask them to ""return the old style motors to there alco pa locos or reduce the price considerably? just a thought ----what do you think???????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 34999	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: I got sniped

Well guys.... problem solved...... one guy just put up the 2002 car with 275 BIN..... dumb a** me finished the TCA pass set.... Way overpriced.... most go for 150 - 200.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35000	From: keefer1	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: cool ebay item gilbert erector

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 35001	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: --Save the Water Tank.

***((( Since it's collapse, ))))**** I'm sorry to hear that! I've been to Laws a couple of times. I'm trying to find my photos of the water tower to post them. I didn't have my digital camera then, but I was putting photos on a floppy.... I found ONE floppy from that last trip of mine, but I can't find the water tank etc. photos!! Nerts! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35002	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Photo of Laws' Tanks

I STILL can't find my photos, sooooooo, I borrowed one from the web. If interested: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup60/Laws_Tanks_Orin_Palmer_Photo_98 Laws is the home of the "Slim Princess" loco.....SP Narrow Gauge. Too bad it isn't running though. Still a neat place to visit to see the old roundtable, water & oil tanks, old rolling stock, and a few original buildings. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35003	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: More photos of Laws {SP's Narrow Gauge}

I've posted some more photos @ http://s-scale.org/albums/albup60 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35004	From: stepdad56	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: cool ebay item gilbert erector

The item listing has ended due to an error. The loco is a reproduction thats why, and he stated it was an original.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35005	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Walthers Cornerstone

Does anyone know if HO or O Cornerstone buildings are closest to S? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35006	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "esetterman" <esetterman@y...> wrote: > > > would like to know what everyone thinks about the american model > penn k-4 loco? surely someone must have a opinion on this product. > what are the strong points and what are the weak points? now for a > different subject--alcos. anyone have any ideas on which is best the > new can motor alcos or the original flyer style.i have ran both and > find the newer style can motors not as good .they are much noiser, > (esp the mp 1991 can motors)cant seem to pull as much as the > original ones and don't have that ozone smell we all grew up with. > since everything is going up in price maybe we should all write > lionel and ask them to ""return the old style motors to there alco > pa locos or reduce the price considerably? just a thought ----what > do you think??????? AM PRR K4 This is a beautiful model of a prototype that is surprisingly well known considering that only one was ever built. The strong points are smooth operation, respectable pulling power, great smoke and mechanical chuff unit, terrific detail, and very reasonable price. One of the main weak points, IMO, is that some of the details are relatively fragile (the driving wheel skirts on the locomotive, for example, look delicate and extreme care must be taken when handling to avoid breaking them). Also, the electronic sounds on these AM units seem a bit temperamental. My K4 will not ring its bell unless the electronic reverse unit is in neutral and the engine is not moving--not very realistic and a mystery to me (my AM Southern Railway Pacific has no such quirk). Can motor Alco PA's I own a 1991 MoPac passenger set and all of the add-on cars and dummy engines. The powered A unit has no trouble pulling this very heavy train (consisting of two dummy engines and seven not-so-easy rolling passenger cars). My layout is perfectly flat, so I can't relate how it would perform on grades. The slow speed performance is even pretty decent, although I would prefer the engine to be geared down a bit for more low end grunt and a little less top speed. As far as the noise the unit makes, it does have a higher pitched sound than the Gilbert PA's, which emit a menacing growl. I don't think it's objectionable. The can-motored PA's were also designed with separate axle bushings (the Achilles heel of Gilbert PA's and GP7's) and so the wear characteristics over time should be better. The Railsounds B-Unit is also a nice add-on. The horn and bell sounds are great, but the diesel prime mover sound effect has (like electronic steam chuff effects) the annoying tendency to sound like it is recycling every few seconds. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35007	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re;am k4&flyer alcos

I own both,I'll start with the K4. pros neat prototype,well finished,realistic chug timing,good puller,excellent low speed operation. cons delicate plastic details,plastic "skirts" on loco pick it up CAREFULLY,plug between loco and tender has come unplugged while running,plug appears fragile,doesn't like Flyer switches front truck sometimes derails,not as "forgiving"as Flyer locos. Don't want to sound like I'm hammering AM,I have several of their diesels and am very happy with them.My Train Master is a real"hoss",it'll pull almost anything. My Flyonel PAs are noisy jerky runners.I'd unload them but I'd never get my money back. Gilbert PAs with rebushed chassis and properly adjusted field/armature seem to run very well. Happy"S" Day! Jerry Memmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35008	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos

I am interested in the K-4 so this thread was informative to me. As far as the Flyonel PA's every one of them that I own is a real strong puller. Some of them are quieter than others as far as the high pitched whine. The later ones seem to be smoother than the earlier ones. The original flyer units are smoother than even the new ones at low speeds (assuming the original AF is in good shape.) I don't have a single original Flyer that is as strong a puller or than can pull a sustained load for as long without getting hot. One think I intend to try is Carl Tuveson's low speed modification. I have purchased the low speed worms, but haven't bored them out yet. You can see the details on Carl's site at: http://www.tuveson.com/worm/geep/AFLowPSeedGearing.htm What I would like to know is if anyone has experience with the SNS can motor conversion PA's? -----Original Message----- From: srgriggs [mailto:sgriggs@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "esetterman" <esetterman@y...> wrote: > > > would like to know what everyone thinks about the american model > penn k-4 loco? surely someone must have a opinion on this product. > what are the strong points and what are the weak points? now for a > different subject--alcos. anyone have any ideas on which is best the > new can motor alcos or the original flyer style.i have ran both and > find the newer style can motors not as good .they are much noiser, > (esp the mp 1991 can motors)cant seem to pull as much as the > original ones and don't have that ozone smell we all grew up with. > since everything is going up in price maybe we should all write > lionel and ask them to ""return the old style motors to there alco > pa locos or reduce the price considerably? just a thought ----what > do you think??????? AM PRR K4 This is a beautiful model of a prototype that is surprisingly well known considering that only one was ever built. The strong points are smooth operation, respectable pulling power, great smoke and mechanical chuff unit, terrific detail, and very reasonable price. One of the main weak points, IMO, is that some of the details are relatively fragile (the driving wheel skirts on the locomotive, for example, look delicate and extreme care must be taken when handling to avoid breaking them). Also, the electronic sounds on these AM units seem a bit temperamental. My K4 will not ring its bell unless the electronic reverse unit is in neutral and the engine is not moving--not very realistic and a mystery to me (my AM Southern Railway Pacific has no such quirk). Can motor Alco PA's I own a 1991 MoPac passenger set and all of the add-on cars and dummy engines. The powered A unit has no trouble pulling this very heavy train (consisting of two dummy engines and seven not-so-easy rolling passenger cars). My layout is perfectly flat, so I can't relate how it would perform on grades. The slow speed performance is even pretty decent, although I would prefer the engine to be geared down a bit for more low end grunt and a little less top speed. As far as the noise the unit makes, it does have a higher pitched sound than the Gilbert PA's, which emit a menacing growl. I don't think it's objectionable. The can-motored PA's were also designed with separate axle bushings (the Achilles heel of Gilbert PA's and GP7's) and so the wear characteristics over time should be better. The Railsounds B-Unit is also a nice add-on. The horn and bell sounds are great, but the diesel prime mover sound effect has (like electronic steam chuff effects) the annoying tendency to sound like it is recycling every few seconds. Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35009	From: Dave W	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Flyer 310 Pacific

Hi gang, Coupla questions........ I remember many moons ago seeing an article on building a Bowser Pennsylvania K4. The model was painted a rich burgundy/maroon colour, apparently after one particular loco. Any idea what the colour is, or which locomotive? I'm gathering parts to complete a 310 and have a boiler, pilot, boiler front and a running chassis/motor, no rods. Any spare tenders or other odd parts out there you would like to part with? Regards Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35010	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re; flyer alcos

Concerning the noise from Flyonel motored trucks: Yeah, that whine can get on your nerves, can't it? It helps me to remember that the noise is coming from the spur gears coupling the motor to the worm shaft, not the motor itself. I've tried "imagining" that the gear noise is turbocharger whine, which is believable for a GP20 (tho' the Flyonel low-nosed Geep is a GP7), but that may not be a valid pretense for the Alco PA. Not sure, but I think they had Rootes type superchargers, not turbos. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35011	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: Re: cool ebay item gilbert erector

Similar situation, except it ended with a high $ sale. See item # 5938848727 and the feedback left on February 12th by Rev. Hogue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stepdad56" <stepdad56@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: cool ebay item gilbert erector > > > > The item listing has ended due to an error. The loco is a > reproduction thats why, and he stated it was an original. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 3/15/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 3/15/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35012	From: keefer1	Date: 3/15/2005
Subject: the erector hudson

I recieved several emails saying the hudson was a repro.One email linked to a Whites boxcar , that apparently the buyer thought was fake. Question : How can you tell if the Hudson was fake or not? What should a buyer be looking at. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5938848727 This is just an observation.You can't always trust what's in feedback. I'm not saying the buyer of the Whites car is lying , but this is a good auction to use as an example.IF the guy that bought the whites car had been burned by someone else ,he buys this car, claims it's fake and sends back the first car he bought. This may sound far fetched to the honest people but at least one list member already ALMOST fell for this game. He sold an excellent 21004 or 5 (I can't remember which)When the buyer got it he claimed it was broken around the boiler front area,like many are.There were also some other defects (he claimed) But if you scrolled back through the buyers previous purchases he was describing a loc he had bought earlier to the last scratch. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35013	From: Bruce	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Happy S-Gauge Day!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35014	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos / AM PAs ?

I appreciate these reviews. I wonder if someone could do a similar comparison of the performance of the Gilbert and Flyonel PAs with the AM PAs ? And possibly with the E8s. I do not have the AM PAs but would consider them if they are ever made for Southern or GM&O. I am trying to model only the railroads of Tennessee. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35015	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos / AM PAs ?

Earl As one who had/has Flyer (Lionel & ACG) PAs, there is no comparison in detail and operation with the American Model PAS, in fact I am selling, sold ACG Sante Fe set, and Lionel UP Set, I have Lionel AF ABA WP but plan to sell also, for detail and operation nothing is better than the diesels from Shelper or American Models. Jerry Matsick tennsgauge@... wrote: I appreciate these reviews. I wonder if someone could do a similar comparison of the performance of the Gilbert and Flyonel PAs with the AM PAs ? And possibly with the E8s. I do not have the AM PAs but would consider them if they are ever made for Southern or GM&O. I am trying to model only the railroads of Tennessee. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35016	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: am k-4 &flyer alcos / AM PAs ?

In a message dated 3/16/2005 12:34:06 PM Central Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: As one who had/has Flyer (Lionel & ACG) PAs, there is no comparison in detail and operation with the American Model PAS, in fact I am selling, sold ACG Sante Fe set, and Lionel UP Set, I have Lionel AF ABA WP but plan to sell also, for detail and operation nothing is better than the diesels from Shelper or American Models. Jerry, thanks for your sharing. That is pretty much what I expected. Though I do not have the AM PAs, all my other AM diesels and the SHS F3s made me get rid of my Gilbert and Flyonel. I hope to get rid of my last one at the S Spree or NASG convention. - Earl Henry Nashville, TN. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35017	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: 3-16 Day

Traffic was a mad house here, yesterday, in Germantown, MD, as people from all over where trying to get S products in celebration of this great and wonderful holiday. The sales are going great and the grocery stores were packed for this afternoon's feast of old fashion railroad food. So let me wish all a happy 3-16, especially to Joseph Lechner of the TCA list and his O gauge followers. Soon, we will get you all too, like we did with Jerry Matsick, who has seen the light of day, in his way to a new beginning in model railroading. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35018	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: All kidding aside....off topic, but still about "S"

Ah yes, some kidding from my former roomate in China. Ron actually invited me to go along which is the nice way to say that Ron thought I should go and see my engineers about getting the 2-8-0 to market sometime this decade. My meetings went well, I got to meet my new junior engineer (4th one in the last year). Ernest went to university in England and hia comand of English left both of us impressed. Although he looks very young, he seemed pretty sharp and had a great sense of humor. I am looking forward to working with him and hope he stays around for a while. The company is in a bit of transistion having been sold this past summer. Some of the improvements have dealt with QC and QA have been needed for a while now. They do seem to be a bit more organized than I remember in the past. Our meetings went very well. It was a big thrill for me to see our 2-8-0 alive with smoke, sound and lights. The AC/DC LocoMatic sound unit performed perfectly. The engine is equipped with synchronized exhaust chuffs which can be user set to a prototypical 4 chuffs per revolution, or non-prototypical 2 chuffs per revolution to 1 chuff per revolution (matching older AF steam locomotives which performed only 1 chuff per revolution). The sounds produced include not only the prototypical Whistle, Bell, and exhaust Chuffs but also prototypical Air Pumps, Safety Valve, Blowers, and Cylinder Blow Down operations. This system is also polyphonic with playing its sounds. The Whistle is user playable by either the standard DC offset whistle button or LocoMaticTM controller. As long as the Whistle button is held down, the Whistle will play. The Bell is a push on push off operation via either the DC offset bell button or the LocoMaticTM Controller's Bell button. The Air Pumps will run at random while running down the track or at rest. The Safety Valve will also operate at random at rest. To operate the Cylinder Blow Down sequence requires the use of a LocoMaticTM Controller. To activate the opening of the ball cocks, the engine must be at rest for over 3 seconds. At that time, simply press the Alt-Forward (Sound Function 3) buttons together. You will hear the ball cock's open producing a lot of steam coming from the cylinders. Then slowly pull the engine out and listen to the cylinders blow steam for each exhaust chuff. After so many of these exhausts or a faster speed is produced they will automatically close leaving the compressed exhaust chuff sound. If desired, you can also turn them off by simply pressing the AltFwd buttons on the controller again at any time, at idle or running. The smoke unit is automatically operated. It is set to smoke as soon as track power is present although some time is needed for the wick to heat up enough to generate smoke. It is advised to place 5 drops into the smoke unit before operation adding only 1or 2 drops as needed. The smoke unit will always operate when the engine is running. While running, the smoke will puff out in synchronization to the drivers. When the engine stops running (is in neutral / idle with track power), the smoke will begin to gently flow out of the stack. When stopped, the smoke unit will turn off after 5 minutes of idle time. As soon as the engine is sequenced into forward or reverse, the smoke unit will again turn back on. Another feature is to be able to control the smoke unit via the LocoMaticTM Controller. The smoke unit can be forced on by using the Alt-Horn combination. If the smoke unit is off, this will force the smoke unit back on and vice versa. If the smoke unit is forced on via the LocoMaticTM Controller it will not time out. Resetting this to automatic operation is the same as the lighting, press Alt-Bell and release or track power is removed for a period of time. The headlight and backup light are also automatically operated via the sequence of the engine. If manual control of these lights is desired merely depress the appropriate buttons on the LocoMaticTM Controller. The front headlight will operate with the Headlight button. The backup light will operate with the Alt-Headlight buttons. Once manual operation is used, automatic operation will not be restored until the Alt-Bell buttons are pressed and released or until power is removed from the locomotive for a period of time. With all of the selector switches in the off position a start in forward with standard AC operation is selected. With this selected, and power is placed on the tracks for the first time it is necessary to wait for a few seconds, especially with a low track voltage, before attempting to sequence into neutral. If a sequence is selected too soon, the engine will start in the reset mode of forward. A slight hum will also be heard through the speaker indicating insufficient track power to maintain proper operation. While this can be heard, a quick removal and reapplication of track power can be done to still allow for a sequence operation. This of course assumes that sufficient time has passed to allow for the on board storage of energy to be done. While in neutral, it is advisable to increase the track power from a low setting to allow for a sufficient charge to occur to enable easier sequence operation. Again, all sequence operation must be done in a fairly rapid mode. Failure to do so will result in the system entering the reset (original power up) condition. Of course, as in all LocoMaticTM systems, sequence direction can also be controlled by the LocoMaticTM Controller's Forward, Reverse, Slowdown/Stop buttons while track power is never removed while still allowing for track power sequence operation. This system, as with other LocoMaticTM systems contains dip switches to select certain features. Startup is controlled by the first and second switch as follows: 1 - off 2 - off Start in Forward 1 - on 2 - off Start in Neutral 1 - off 2 - on Lock in Forward 1 - on 2 - on Lock in Neutral - This mode allows for only LocoMaticTM controller operation and allows for track voltage to be set to a fixed amount. The track voltage will determine the maximum speed of the locomotive. Switch 3 - controls the whistle and bell operation. With this set ON the whistle and bell will no longer operate leaving the engine for helper service only. Switch 4 - when set, the locomotive can be placed on the track in the reverse direction. This way the rear (tender) of the engine will become the Forward movement and the front of the engine will become the reverse movement. This way two locomotives can be place in a push - pull configuration. This was done many times in passenger service with the passenger cars placed between the engines. Switch 5 and 6. These switches control the exhaust chuff operation. SW5 SW6 Operation off off 4 chuffs per revolution on off 2 chuffs per revolution off on 1 chuff per revolution on on no chuffs, only blower sound. Best of all, no batteries to install. Next will be the DCC. Best regards, Don dphobbies wrote: >--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@s...> wrote: > > >>Dear Dave, >> I have been watching this thread while I was in China this past >>week. >> >> > >OK Don, Give us the skinny. What were you doing in China last >week? It sounds exotic. What great new things are you bringing us? > > >Ron >Des Plaines > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35019	From: John G	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation

I just received my new Lionel reproduction of the 741 Handcar in the mail today. Looks very nice. The reversing mechanism works very well. The unit runs much slower than an orginal I have, in fact about half the speed. On the plus side, it now matches speed with an new American Models steamer I have. I was wondering if others could comment on the speed and general operation of their new handcar. John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35020	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation and Flyonel Alco PA's

I got mine today too. I would say my experience is the same as yours. Smooth operation. About half the speed of the original or thereabouts. I set the track voltage down a little and just let it go back and forth between bumpers using the reversing mechanism. That was kind of cool. A side not about the Flyonel PAs: One of the people posting mentioned the jerky or jack rabbit starts. I have noticed that with the TMCC control of track voltage using a Powermaster or TPC that the ability to set the low voltage allows you to get a very smooth start even for these. MY experience is they are too quick off the start with original AF transformers. One of my track voltage controls is a 110v AC variac with a step down transformer. This combination controls the Flyonel diesels very smoothly as it has a gentle slope from zero voltage and you can actually drop to zero. Doesn't help the high speed or the gear whine though. <g> -----Original Message----- From: John G [mailto:NotColdEnough@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 741 Flyonel Handcar operation I just received my new Lionel reproduction of the 741 Handcar in the mail today. Looks very nice. The reversing mechanism works very well. The unit runs much slower than an orginal I have, in fact about half the speed. On the plus side, it now matches speed with an new American Models steamer I have. I was wondering if others could comment on the speed and general operation of their new handcar. John G S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35021	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation

Go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/34890 In a message dated 3/16/2005 7:26:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, NotColdEnough@... writes: I was wondering if others could comment on the speed and general operation of their new handcar. John G [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35022	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/16/2005
Subject: Re: 741 Flyonel Handcar operation

--- John G wrote: > ...The unit runs much slower than an orginal I have, in > fact about half > the speed...... I was wondering if others could comment on the speed > and general > operation of their new handcar. John, I don't have the new handcar (just the old ones), but I always thought it odd that those little buggers could run as fast as the locos. After all, they were supposed to be 2 guys as opposed to a motorized train! So if they're slower, I would think it would be more to scale. Just my opinion. Dennis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35023	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: SHS cars for Sale and some Lionnel flyer

I am doing some cleaning so I can get the pile down to the layout so operation can restart. Shipping is $5 for as many cars as you want to buy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ I have the following SHS cars for sale. 1...00981 Hopper, Panel side, unlettered red..$30....... 2...00980 Hopper, panel side Frisco #4..$30...... 3...001149 PS Hopper NAHX Boraxo 31060..$30...... 4...00042 PS2 IMCO/ Roller Bearing hopper....$25...... 5...01020 Rebuilt Boxcar State of Maine #1 Band A 5061 $40...... 6...01021 Rebuilt Boxcar State of Maine #2 New Haven 45063...$40... 7...00704 Rebuilt Boxcar ASTF 14148 .$40..... 8...00524 Rebuilt Boxcar B and O Timesaver Silver top 467434.$40..... 9...00520 Rebuilt Boxcar B and O timesaver Blue top 467109 ...$40.... 10.001134 Rebuilt Frisco fast freight 127339... $40..... I still have the following Lionel flyer cars left. 1...6-49012 Sante Fe crane and 6-48723 Boom car. Set of both for... $95..... 2...6-48412 3 dome Alaska Tanker....$35...... 3...6-48415 Hooker 3 dome tank car... $35....... Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa. 98028 Member TCA, NASG. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35024	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Well I guess I'll have to learn how to sell on ebay since

I blew my chances to sell my 20440 set to you guys. By the way, group, why is it that these shows in Southern California advertise to have American Flyer stuff at their swap meets and usually have nothing. Also, when I ask for it with some vendors they tell me that they collect the stuff but do not sell it? What that says to me is that folks want it and keep it for themselves but sell everything else. In a way that's good but it is really hard to find AF older things around So. CA. as folks are hoarding their personal collections. Maybe we just do not know where to find the fight things? Finally, if someone changes their minds and wants the 21918 and 21918-1 with the entire matching set less the origional boxes, contact me at any time. It is getting to be summer here and every single weekend for the next 7 months or so I have plans to either ride our motorcycles (2 matching Valkyrie Interstates), go to Lake Casitas or take in a dog show with our Standard Poodle and probably will not have a chance to mess with the ebay thing. Thanks so much, I enjoy reading the posts from this group, very friendly with folks who have great attitudes. Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35025	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Re: Happy S-Gauge Day!!

I think Merry S-Gauge day is more correct... -----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:willisbd@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Happy S-Gauge Day!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35026	From: Phil K	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Everyone invited to Chicagoland S-Gaugers meeting Fri. Mar. 18

S gaugers of all levels of experience and interest are invited to attend the March meeting of the Chicagoland Assn. of S Gaugers this Friday evening, Mar. 18 (7 pm gabfest/swap meet, 8 pm meeting) at St. Paul's Lutheran School, 1100 West Lake Street in Melrose Park, Ill. Potential new members are enthusiastically welcomed. Club is in 36th year and has over 60 members. CASG website: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/ Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35027	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: SMOKE FLUID

Has anyone used my fluid in any other type smoke unit, like a sleath or MTH, Lionel "O" or any other type? If so could you please E-mail me to my E-mail address & let me know how you feel it worked. All replies positive & negative are welcomed. Thank You Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35028	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Loco hiccups

Hi Gang; I converted ACG loco # 343 to a can motor and DCC. I also did the same with several other locos. They work great except loco # 343 runs eratic at its slowest speeds. I changesd the speed configurations in the dcc programs. Same thing happens I turned off some of the speed functions. I checked the wheel quartering. I suspect the can motor has a problem. The armature may be wound wrong. Different values. Oh! This is one of the Flyer conversion motors. Anyway the eratic motion is not aways in the same place of wheel position. The linkage is working smooth. Anyway I would like to smooth this out. This loco is used in a museum and needs quality performance. Any help would be appreciated. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35029	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Re: A good match - AF track and K Line S Cars

Found some of my old Flyer track and just set a K Line S car on it and basically the little oversize of the car, looks good on the large oversized AF track and big metal ties. Besides K Line is anyone making and selling this outdated track, for me there is no better track than S Helper Showcaseline S-Trax what a great layout it makes. And even the K Line S cars look great on it. J. Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35030	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: York Badge

Last Thursday, I mailed my York form in and today, one week later, on 3-17, I got my badge back in the mail. That was the quickest that ever happen! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35031	From: firex43	Date: 3/17/2005
Subject: Help Wanted with a Miller S-2 Switcher and Uncoupling Problems

Hello, Looking for any info list members may have on the care and feeding of a Miller S-2 switcher with 2 powered axles. Unit is a great puller and with adapted couplers will negotiate PM track, in particular the All Abaoard Panels. I am aware that this unit is D.C. only and operate it as such. Any maintenance info will be geatly appreciated and thanks in advance. My second point deals with the dreaded AF knuckle coupler uncoupling while in motion causing a break-in-two of a train. Ever wondered why all those streamlined observations have cracked drumheads? Yes it might be from the locomotive running into it from behind after the train parted. Have read about many solutions to operating dedicated trains that would not be switched out such as a passenger train or freight train on an operating display layout. The method I've tried and found to work well uses 1/16" interior diameter silicone model airplane fuel line. Cut enough pieces of the fuel line approximately 3/32" in length for each coupler to keep closed. Slit the tubing lengthwise on one side and attach to the closed coupler weight J hook using a pair of pointed tweezers holding the tubing open and allowing the tubing to encircle the J hook. This safety measure is reversible at any time and useful for all types of AF operating knuckle couplers. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35032	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2005
Subject: MIKADO FOR SALE

I picked up a NYC Mikado brand new (Mint in the box) $625.00 includes ins, shipping & a 4 oz bottle of smoke fluid. I'm waiting for the UP model. Contact me off list. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35033	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 20, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35034	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: Walthers Cornerstone

Dwight, I believe there was an article in a recent SGaugian which described the process of kit-bashing one of the cornerstone building for S. The end result was acceptable for S. Like many of these kit-bashing efforts, I suspect that it will involve raising the building on a foundation and substituting S-scale doors for HO. I've been pleased with some of the S scale background buildings. Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35035	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: "S Guage Heralds"

I have a collection of "S Guage Herald" magazines from 1967 through 1978. There are 72 in all and they are in excellent condition. The cover graphics alone are worth the price of the collection. I will sell the entire lot for $70.00 plus shipping. Contact me off list if interested. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35036	From: jt12313	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re-trucking and remotering flyonel geeps

Good morning all, As anyone tried to switchout the huge flyer diesel trucks on a geep with a more in proportion model and also change out the drive train? Provided American models or S-Helper will sell only trucks and motors:) I bought a half dozen flyer diesel shell off ebay a while ago (and might purchase a chassis or two) and was thinking of interesting projects to do while my right knee mends after a recent operation. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35037	From: paflyrman	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Restoring a Royal Blue

I am in the process of restoring an old AF Royal Blue 350. Does anyone know of a way to make a real neat job of repainting the white rings around the headlight at the nose of the loco, without tediously doing it by hand, or course. The same process might have been used by someone repainting the AF circus 353. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35038	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: S Mod Modules

Hi All, With the recent discussions of modules, I thought I would show my 20' yard module off a little. They are about 15 years old now. I drag them out once a year to the CJSS Get Togethers. I have just uploaded 12 photos in a new photo section folder "Bill Lane's S Mod Modules". I have never been one to "go it on my own" if there is a reasonable standard previously established, so the were built to S Mod standards. I always felt that the S Mod standards were very open allowing you to do almost anything you wanted for a portable layout. The original intention was to take them to shows way back when I founded the South Jersey S Scalers (now South Jersey S Gaugers) with Roy Hoffman in 1989. The module fever never did spread within the club. That is one of the main reasons it took so long to finish them. They still need ballasting and ground cover. Her are a few quick facts about my modules: They are completely hand laid using code 100 rail and a Kadee Spiker which I sold some years ago. I will NEVER hand lay again! They are constructed completely from birch plywood. The deck is 1/4" and the frame is 3/4". With the exception of needle nose pliers and a small screwdriver, I can arrive and be running in 1 hour flat without using ONE hand tool. The legs never come off. My motto is "Life is TOO SHORT to take the legs off of S Scale Modules"! I spent too much time hiking loose legs and coffee cans of hardware. The legs are folded underneath and secured either up or down with the use of my custom wing nut head bolts. (See inner joint photo) There are 3 splice sections with roadbed shaped pine pieces mounted to thin aluminum for the inner splice joints. This is the only place tools are needed to slide the rail joiners. All the wiring is connection within with industrial multi-pin connectors. Some of them are up to 32 conductors each. They were REALLY expensive, but are bulletproof and save lots of set up time. All turnouts are powered, but would work better if this was used for more then once a year. They get sticky from sitting in one position for most of the year. The control panel is completely self-powered and contained. I can run the entire layout with the enclosed transformer. It was recently modified to be able to used with my NCE Power Pro DCC booster. It folds up into a suitcase for easy transport. Most of the MILLIONS of wires can be avoided if you go strictly DCC but that then deviates from the S Mod standards. It took my friend Charlie 3 years to wire it to the S Mod standards. We usually pop at least 1 cab to the same to use DCC. The cabs are blocked with "break before you make" 4 cab push buttons like the old car radios had to change stations. (I don't remember where I bought them, but they were about $15.00 each!) Everything fits in a "Bakers rack" shelf I custom made for transporting them. I had a Bronco II when I made it and I have an Escape now. It all fits in there with some room to spare. I would not use the 1/4" blue foam board I glued to the under side for sound deadening now if I had to do it all over again. It was too much work to cut all the holes through it to mount everything to mounting blocks and the underside of the deck. I should have also used a sheet of homasote or similar instead of all of the Homa-Bed. Yards are generally flat and greasy fill right up to the rails, not beveled like multiple ballasted mainlines. This is about all I want to write about them I would be happy to talk about them if you have any questions. H) 856-848-5133 Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35039	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: DCC & Showcase Line

I purchased a Showcase Diesel a couple of weeks ago. I am very pleased with quality. It looks great and runs smooth. I am using a NCE Procab DCC for power. The loco has a circuit board under the speaker. I imagine this is just for sound only. I would like to wire in a DCC decoder by Lenz. How I could bypass the circuit board completly and it would work I would like to know if I could use the sound board with my decoder. If so I need to know how to change the wiring. Comments ? Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35040	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: DCC & Showcase Line

Dear Roger, Which SHS diesel? They are not all the same. If it is the green MEC SW-9 wait for the updated pcb correct for the NMRA standard DCC socket. You can replace this by soldering 6 wires. If it is the F3, remember the bulbs are 5 volts and you will need limiting resistors (but not on the B unit). If it is the F7, I think that the limiting resisitors are on the pcb, but I am not 100% sure. We still have the F7 DCC sound units. They work just fine. These are the only diesels from SHS that come with speakers. Best regards, Don Ironhorse wrote: >I purchased a Showcase Diesel a couple of weeks ago. I am very pleased >with quality. >It looks great and runs smooth. > >I am using a NCE Procab DCC for power. >The loco has a circuit board under the speaker. I imagine this is just >for sound only. > >I would like to wire in a DCC decoder by Lenz. > >How I could bypass the circuit board completly and it would work >I would like to know if I could use the sound board with my decoder. > >If so I need to know how to change the wiring. > >Comments ? > >Roger > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35041	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: Re-trucking and remotering flyonel geeps

Dear Jeff, We sell our trucks and motors separately. If they are for the GP7, please indicate that as you may want a set of our bearings as you need two of the angular type. Best regards, Don jt12313 wrote: >...will S-Helper sell only trucks and motors:) > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35042	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re;Pikemaster track & switches?

I know some American Flyer collectors don't care for Pikemaster stuff, but in planning an S gauge micro layout I HAVE to consider using it. I'm told Pikemaster looks more realistic than regular American Flyer track. I know the curves and switches are 15" radius, which is one reason I'm interested in it. The fact that only Flyer freight cars and smaller locos run on it isn't a problem for a micro layout either. Is there a website I can go to to get a good look at this track? How thick are the ties and how tall is the rail? What kind of prices should I pay for this type of track? So far I've been thinking of using flex track and maybe hand laying switches (which I'd rather not have to do) to get the proposed layout down to size. I know that this project is considered really odd by most of you guys. Stumpy Stone...really odd modeler..in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35043	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/19/2005
Subject: Re: DCC & Showcase Line

Hi Roger, Which model diesel is it, and is it DC, AC or sound? A LocoMatic sound board will not work with DCC. If it is an F3 you need to use a resistor to not burn out the headlight with a DCC decoder. Bill At 12:23 PM 3/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I purchased a Showcase Diesel a couple of weeks ago. I am very pleased >with quality. >It looks great and runs smooth. > >I am using a NCE Procab DCC for power. >The loco has a circuit board under the speaker. I imagine this is just >for sound only. > >I would like to wire in a DCC decoder by Lenz. > >How I could bypass the circuit board completly and it would work >I would like to know if I could use the sound board with my decoder. > >If so I need to know how to change the wiring. > >Comments ? > >Roger > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35044	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: cas wanted

I am trying to finish a passenger set... need the 24379 afl combo, 25005 afl mail car... anybody know of these..... need e+.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35045	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Pikemaster track & switches?

Stumpy Stone wrote: > > I know some American Flyer collectors don't care for Pikemaster >stuff, but in planning an S gauge micro layout I HAVE to consider >using it. > > Stumpy, I highly suggest using S-Helper S-Trax Flex. It can be bent to some very very small radius configurations and is high quality track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35046	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Pikemaster track & switches?

Dear Mr. Stumpy, I am certainly not an expert on Pikemaster track and switches. But I did have an opportunity to purchase some mint condition Pikemaster switches back in the 1970's, and I was excited to try them out. In some ways the Pikemaster looked a lot better than the original Flyer track. But I was quickly disappointed when I tried to operate trains over them. I quickly concluded that the switches were junk and got rid of the Pikemaster switches and track. There was no reason to keep the track if the switches would not work. Unless you want a simple oval of track, I think experimenting with Pikemaster track will be a disappointment and waste of time. - Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35047	From: Robert King	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: A good match - AF track and K Line S Cars

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: Found some of my old Flyer track and just set a K Line S car on it and basically the little oversize of the car, looks good on the large oversized AF track and big metal ties. Besides K Line is anyone making and selling this outdated track, for me there is no better track than S Helper Showcaseline S-Trax what a great layout it makes. And even the K Line S cars look great on it. _____________________________ The AF track is not that bad. The track looks better with the rubber roadbed that was made to go with it. Reproduction roadbed is available. The AF track is a lot better than the 0/0-27, three rail, large tinplate. AF also made pikemaster track for the adult scalers, but the radius was too narrow. K-Line makes wide radius S gauge tinplate track (like AF). I think that the AF track became a focal point of the scalers because of the narrow radius that would not permit certain locos and passenger cars to go around. It does not follow that because a layout has AF track or some buildings or accessories that are a little larger (buildings could be any size as they are in real life), that the K-line-Marx belongs. The designers at AF were for the most part S scalers, and they were considering making scale operating couplers to replace the big knuckles before the end. You can also look at some of the steam locos and see that scale couplers were molded onto the front of them. In contrast, K-Line is an O gauge company. K-Line has yet to produce anything that is truly S, but the tanker is believeable (maybe more 60's era). It also does not follow that those that bought and like the boxcars will like or buy the locos. The Marx Pacifics will be outcasts compared to the other Pacifics on the layouts. The fear has been that the K-Line-Marx stuff will dilute what we already have, thereby making S less appealing to potential newcomers; and take dollars away from the existing S manufacturers. I also hate to see people spend their money and then be disappointed. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35048	From: Dave W	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: C-D Gauge (Cleveland Design) / S scale

Hi Gang, Shot in the dark here.... Has anyone seen, or have memories of, the Cleveland Design "C-D" gauge as mentioned on this Brit S gauge page? http://www.s-scale.org.uk/history.htm Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35049	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Re: C-D Gauge (Cleveland Design) / S scale

Dave - I got the following links from a quick Google search. Probably more out there. Dick http://members.tripod.com/alminutoli/id21.htm http://www.usedbookcentral.com/texis/ubc/searchbooks,keywords,model+railroads_,jump,80.html http://www.pagewise.com/s-scale-trains.htm http://www.commercemarketplace.com/home/CollectAir/Model_Airplanes.html http://www.antiqbook.com/boox/gaq/books2000.shtml (go to Cleveland Model...) http://www.trains.com/community/forum/post.asp?method=Reply&TOPIC_ID=19425&FORUM_ID=88&S_ID=4 At 11:24 AM 3/20/2005, Dave W wrote: >Hi Gang, > >Shot in the dark here.... >Has anyone seen, or have memories of, the Cleveland Design "C-D" gauge >as mentioned on this Brit S gauge page? > >http://www.s-scale.org.uk/history.htm > >Dave W > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35050	From: John Foley	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: NASG Josh Seltzer Award

Hi Folks We have a winner for the Josh Seltzer Website award so voting is over. The winner will be announced at the NASG convention in Altoona during the banquet. To the many S Gaugers who voted thank you. See you all in Altoona. John Foley NASG Promotions BTW, My netscape account is closed please take note of my new email address. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35051	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 20, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2005
Subject: MIKADO

I have listed my Mikado on E-Bay (#5964682854) There is no charge for shipping or insurance. Mike If you buy & are a list member I'll take off $15.00 Mike PS: Just let me know at the end ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35053	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: I'm a little confused and need clarification on something

I hope I do not seem too ignorant here but would like to know the answer to a seemingly stupid question. Do all answers to to a posted message show up on both the board here and the yahoo mail? And----> if not what is the difference? Thanks for the help in advance. Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35054	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Re: C-D Gauge (Cleveland Design) / S scale

Hi Dave, There was an article in the S Gaugian, back in July + August, 1987 Issue....... It was on inteview with the owner Ed Packard..... That should help a little......... Vin Hi Gang, Shot in the dark here.... Has anyone seen, or have memories of, the Cleveland Design "C-D" gauge as mentioned on this Brit S gauge page? http://www.s-scale.org.uk/history.htm Dave W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35055	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Re: I'm a little confused and need clarification on something

Hi Sue, Thats a valid question. And it often confuses new members. I guess we should add some more text to the welcome message. Here is the deal: We decided early on (about 5 years ago) that when someone asked a question the reply would go to the person who asked the question rather than the whole list. Most of the questions are repeat questions, and many have more than one answer. When the list is working at it's best, the person who asked the question will repost the question along with his/her favorite answers and sometimes tell us about how the information was used to solve a problem. Also there is no difference with what shows up on the Yahoo group webpage, and what gets emailed out. Hope this answers your question, if not please let me know. Paul Yorke Sue & George <psyborg_gb@...> wrote: I hope I do not seem too ignorant here but would like to know the answer to a seemingly stupid question. Do all answers to to a posted message show up on both the board here and the yahoo mail? And----> if not what is the difference? Thanks for the help in advance. Sue [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35056	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Flyonel PA revisited

got my MP diesels out for a second look.I found most of the jerkiness was caused by fore/aft play in the trucks on the dummy unit. when the train is started the trucks are pulled all the way back,and when slowing or stopping they move all the way forward.kind of like slack action on a real train,but very exagerrated.the trucks are held on by a C clip and a fiber washer,there is considerable up and down play.remove the C clip and washer install a fiber or rubber washer to fill the gap,reinstall original washer and clip.I can't give exact sizes for washers,this was a trial and error job with parts from my junk box,I do know the larger the O.D.the better.make sure the truck rotates freely and do not use metal washers.the other thing I did was put the dummy unit in the lead,now any remaining slack is between the engines,and does'nt involve the train. tinkerin' with trains in the Hoosier State Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35057	From: G. Elems	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: New Hopper

Bachmann is bringing out a new hopper in On30. IMHO a nice looking car. http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/gallery/album42 With some SHS Bettendorf or Andrews trucks, they might make a nice looking addition. Just a thought. Greg Elems Reno, NV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35058	From: John Foley	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: East Coast Hobby Show

Hi S Manufactures The NASG will be manning a table at the East Coast Hobby Show http://www.hobbyshow.com/ next month at the Ft. Washington, Pa. Expo Center. Also the North Penn S Gaugers will have their layout up and running. So if you can't make it send me some literature and I will see that folks who are potential S Gaugers will receive the materials. Lionel And Mikes Train House will also be there. And of course SHS will be there working hard promoting thier products as always. John Foley NASG Promtions 164 W. Railroad St. Pottsville, Pa. 17901 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35059	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel PA revisited

I usually do something similar to all my PA's. Most of them seem to have a lot of slack. -----Original Message----- From: jjmemmer@... [mailto:jjmemmer@...] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel PA revisited got my MP diesels out for a second look.I found most of the jerkiness was caused by fore/aft play in the trucks on the dummy unit. when the train is started the trucks are pulled all the way back,and when slowing or stopping they move all the way forward.kind of like slack action on a real train,but very exagerrated.the trucks are held on by a C clip and a fiber washer,there is considerable up and down play.remove the C clip and washer install a fiber or rubber washer to fill the gap,reinstall original washer and clip.I can't give exact sizes for washers,this was a trial and error job with parts from my junk box,I do know the larger the O.D.the better.make sure the truck rotates freely and do not use metal washers.the other thing I did was put the dummy unit in the lead,now any remaining slack is between the engines,and does'nt involve the train. tinkerin' with trains in the Hoosier State Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35060	From: hellonc99	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Aircraft Beacon

Does anyone have first hand experience with the MTH (30-9130)version of the 23769 aircraft beacon? I'd like to know how well (or poorly) it operates, is it noisy, and does it use vibration to rotate the beacon or is it designed to operate like the Flyer original with the dimpled bulb. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35061	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Repairing Atlantic Steam Shell

I recently aquired an Atlantic 4-4-0 that has some damage to the stack area on the shell. I got it because it was inexpensive and I like to repair the AF stuff myself. This particular engine will be going to my brother as a gift, and since he is technologically challenged, I decided to also get a can motor kit, the idea being low/no maintenance. Anyway, to get back to the shell repair. I would like to make a mold of the front/stack area of other Atlantic I own. That way I hope to repair the damaged shell by removing the area that's damaged and putting the shell into the mold and re-forming the shell in that area with some sort of resin/epoxy. Has anyone done this sort of repair before? Is it a totally wacky idea? Most of all, can I do it on the cheap? One thing I would be interested in is finding some resin that will match the color of the original shell. Thanks for any help you can give me. James Klaas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35062	From: Tom	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Hello

Several of you have asked to see photos of the trains I have for sale well they are here!!!! I will be posting more as time permits http://www.msnusers.com/TRAINSFORSALESOGUAGE Enjoy Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35063	From: jcbandstra	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Enhorning F7 shell

What chassis will fit an Enhorning F7 shell? John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35064	From: colleenandrob	Date: 3/21/2005
Subject: Smoke coil and wick

Hello everyone, I'm working on all my engines to improve the smoking. So far, so good but one looks like it needs a new coil. The wick is ok. I tried to make my own coil using copper wire and had my wife Colleen soldier it in. It didn't work and actually seem to short out the whole engine. I guess I can order a new coil and wick but has anyone ever made their own or have any tips You folks are great here for ideas so I thought I toss this one out. Thank you all, Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35065	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: New Hopper

My Friends-in-S, If you're interested in these new hoppers, try contacting John Wiegel at Weigel5@... I've no direct link with John, except I've been getting Bachmann On30 stuff to convert to Sn42 from him for years without a SINGLE problem! I get the impression from the On30 and On3 lists that most of the first shipment of the On30 hoppers is about spoken for - so quickness may be a virtue here (correct me if I'm wrong here John). Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 logger and VGN Rwy fan nos living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Elems" <gelems@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Hopper> > > Bachmann is bringing out a new hopper in On30. IMHO a nice looking car. > > http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/gallery/album42 > > With some SHS Bettendorf or Andrews trucks, they might make a nice looking > addition. > > Just a thought. > > Greg Elems > Reno, NV >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35066	From: Art	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Aircraft Beacon

Hi: I have the MTH Aircraft Beacon and out of the box it operates very well and makes very little noise. The beacon revolves using vibrations not heat from the bulb like the AF version. However, it would not rotate when I took it out of the box this year for a Christmas train layout. After some investigation, I found that the very thin feeder wire had come unsoldered from the vibrating mechanism. Unfortunately, in the process of diagnosing this problem I had to remove the vibrating mechanism from the tower and since it is attached by metal clips that are bent over, I was not able to get it reinstalled as tightly and therefore, it is now much noisier than when it was new. So, my conclusion is that it is a pretty good accessory, but is not as durable as the AF version and has to be handled more carefully to avoid disconnecting the wire under the platform that goes to the vibrating mechanism. Thanks, Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35067	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Repairing Atlantic Shell

James Klaas is looking to repair a damaged Atlantic shell: James - It's fun to try to cast your own repairs, but you can purchase a NEW, never-used, original Flyer Atlantic shell from Hobby Surplus for $13-$15. Check out page 15 in their on-line catalog: http://www.hobbysurplus.com/pdf/TrainRepairParts2005Catalog.pdf Have fun! John Eichmann RMHR, Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35068	From: Sue & George	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Fun with cars

Hi all I just thought you's get a kick out of what we did with some cars just for the fun of it. I thought I'd posted this the other day but apparently I did not so here it is. My husband and I went to the annual Train Shack's out door sale 2 weeks ago in Burbank, CA. There was a lot of older stuff including some HO cars for really cheap ($4.00 or so). We bought a few pieces like a log car and crane and something with a platform and steps. Now I know some of you will think this a sin but we made some really cute American Flyer cars from some junk pieces we had. On the log car that had some really cute logs on it we just changed the trucks and it actually looks like a really old log "real" log car. We took a flat bed and rivited on some HO track and put the really cute HO crane on the track and mounted it on the American Flyer flat bed. The new crane car is really something, I should take a picture. I just thought I'd tell you guys so that some of the people out there may get some alternative ideas. My husband George can make anything work. We also had a 293 with bad wheels and George took some wheels off of a totally trashed inner body and now my really beautiful 293 which is in great condition works very smoothly. It is so much fun fixing up these cars and making things of real beauty. We are currently making a work train for my brother and his kids. That's where the newly formed AF/HO cars are going, along with a beautiful engine and tender George made from spare parts. I actually have learned how to use the electric drill and sodder gun so I can help. Sue

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35069	From: John G	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Smoke coil and wick

Rob > The smoke winding is made of #40 gauge high resistance nichrome wire (about 35 to 50 ohms). I'd recommend purchasing a replacement coil and wick from one of the dealers. Should only be a few bucks. John G > > Hello everyone, > > I'm working on all my engines to improve the smoking. So far, so > good but one looks like it needs a new coil. The wick is ok. I > tried to make my own coil using copper wire and had my wife Colleen > soldier it in. It didn't work and actually seem to short out the > whole engine. I guess I can order a new coil and wick but has > anyone ever made their own or have any tips You folks are great > here for ideas so I thought I toss this one out. > > Thank you all, > > Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35070	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2614

Message: 12 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:04:31 -0000 From: "colleenandrob" <colleenandrob@...> Subject: Smoke coil and wick Hello everyone, I'm working on all my engines to improve the smoking. So far, so good but one looks like it needs a new coil. The wick is ok. I tried to make my own coil using copper wire and had my wife Colleen soldier it in. It didn't work and actually seem to short out the whole engine. I guess I can order a new coil and wick but has anyone ever made their own or have any tips You folks are great here for ideas so I thought I toss this one out. Thank you all, Rob YES: The good news. Smoke unit wicks are made of fiber glass ( angle hair ) wound with a # 40 Nichrome wire about 7" long, 35 ohm works best. The bad news. Nichrome wire, buy it at the store it comes on a 2000' roll. call Port Line Hobby's for replacement smoke element. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35071	From: Chris Burger	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Frame for an F unit shell

Hi Everyone. I am looking for a frame and trucks that I could adapt for a F3 shell. I'm installing a camera in an engine and need a dummy engine. If you have one your willing to sell or trade plaese contact me off list. Thanks, Chris Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35072	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Train Spam!

K-LINE E-News 05.4It has finally hit the airwaves of train collecting, TRAIN SPAM! I receive the below from the company know as K-Line, as I never signed up for any newsletters from this company. So had did they get my email address? Through the TCA list somehow? Do we have company spies on the list! Will Lionel or MTH be next? But I don't collect or buy that three rail stuff, so they are just wasting there time with me. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: K-LINE News To: K-LINE News Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: K-LINE E-News 05.4 K-LINE E-News brings you the latest about product arrivals, upcoming events and on-line bargains. In this issue of the K-LINE E-News: * THE K4s ARE BACK * MORE ABOUT YORK * E-NEWS SPECIALS * * THE K4s ARE BACK * * The first round of Pennsy K4s sold out. Don't miss this second - and final - round. These exquisite scale models are the first K4s in O Scale to get all the details right. First built in 1914, the 425 K4 class locomotives were icons of the Pennsylvania Railroad, their most famous and most numerous steam engine. The K4s' active life extended into the post-war era. These K-LINE K4s are available in three models that span the K4 operating lifetime: · Pre-War design with standard pilot; · Pre-War model with the added smoke deflectors; · Post-War edition with streamlined pilot. All models are available with TMCC, RailSounds, Cruise Control and electrocouplers or in a conventional version with Cruise Control, whistle and bell. Contact your authorized K-LINE retailer for details or consult the K4 web page at http://www.k-linetrains.com/prrk4/prrk4.cfm For other new product arrivals, check with your local K-LINE retailer or get the highlights on-line at http://www.k-linetrains.com/specials/newthismo.cfm <http://www.k-linetrains.com/specials/newthismo.cfm * * YORK PREVIEW REDUX * * If you are someone for whom the single syllable 'York' tells you everything you need to know about WHAT, WHERE and WHEN, skip this paragraph. After the last E-News, one of our colleagues pointed out that that description doesn't include everyone. To you, we apologize. York is shorthand for the semi-annual TCA Eastern Division Train Meet held at the York, PA Fairgrounds. The next one is April 29-30. York veteran or rookie - come by the Orange Hall, because.. > Our giant display is worth at least a couple oohs and aaahs > New K-LINE products are on display > K-LINE technology, including Cruise Control, demonstrations > SuperStreets motorized roadway and RailRoadsters vehicles will be in action on our layout > And Special Products at Special York Prices - some great choices.See the E-NEWS SPECIALS below. * * E-NEWS SPECIALS FOR YORK * * Order these special for pick-up at York or for home delivery. E-News Spotlight: Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines Interurbans - 2-PAC (power & dummy) The Reading and Pennsy engaged in years of spirited competition on routes to Jersey shore points. With their tracks running parallel for miles within easy sight of each other, they literally raced daily into Cape May. In 1933 they signed a truce, forming the jointly owned Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines in the same time period when both railroads were electrifying their commuter lines. Our 1:48 Scale Interurbans are beautiful replicas of PRSL commuter trains, complete with fully furnished interiors, passenger figures, and overhead StreamLighting® illumination. With dual motors in the powered unit, they also include operating metal trolley poles, operating head and marker lights, and digital sound. Make a four-unit commuter train with the Add-on dummy 2-PAC or add PRSL Station Platform. Or get a terrific bargain on all three with our PRSL Combo. Other E-News Specials for York include: * All New Pennsylvania RR Porter and three PRR wood-sided reefers * CNJ Plymouth and Caboose, plus matching hoppers * Two O Scale Wood-sided reefers with freight loads and matching billboards * 1950s boxcar favorites made with 21st century detail You can see all the great E-NEWS SPECIALS FOR YORK and place your order at http://www.k-linetrains.com/specials/specials1.cfm To unsubscribe to K-LINE E-News, reply to this email with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line. This is an automated mailbox, so no other mail will be answered. Address all other e-mails to info@... If you wish to unsubscribe by mail, write to: Unsubscribe K-LINE E-News, PO Box 2831, Chapel Hill NC 27515. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35073	From: Reddington	Date: 3/22/2005
Subject: Palm Beach Story

Of interest for train buffs, this movie on TCM cable has at least 30 minutes of train activity (in mid story) showing several times a Streamlined PRR steamer--complete with wing herald on boiler front--moving along at speed enroute to Florida. Also a scene at old PRR station in NYC. (These Flyer engines sold by American Models). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35074	From: John Braker	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: 944 af crane

has anyone out there ever encountered a 944crane which has what appears to be factory installed link couplertrucks?both cab and body are both marked 944 thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35075	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: TRANSFER TABLE

Yesterday I picked up a Lionel transfer table.... with extensions..... and all boxes.... but it was modified with Pikemaster in the track slot for use by AF trains by removing the center rail..... anybody else ever do this????? Really looks nice....... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35076	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: Car and Loco numbers

Flyer put 3 didget cars in boxes marked with 5 didget numbers..... anybody know of a list of what is what....... Example my 293 ln with ow is stamped 21024..... I just got a pile of boxes...... most are odd 5 didget numbers..... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35077	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Re: WHEELSET TRADE

Anyone wish to trade 20 AM Budd scale wheelsets for Hi Rail? I would do this on a one for one basis. Contact off list pls Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35078	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Flyer get-together

Just a reminder of my get-together for Flyer folks on April 2nd. Denver, Colorado area Noon - 4PM. RSVP for info/directions Jim Marski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35079	From: Phil K	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: K-Line poll update

Here is the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Please vote for only one of the first two questions and all/any/none of the other five. We are looking at vote totals only. Pay no attention to the percentages as they don't work for the way I set this up -- I did it this way for simplicity, so we didn't have to vote in two different polls. I'll figure out percentages when the poll is closed, but right now the exit polls are showing over 90 percent (90 of 98 voters) see it as "great for the S gauge hobby"). I also have votes from five members who were unable to get into the poll for some reason, but gave their votes to me in email or during the Sunday night chat session (all voted "yes" to the first question), so that number is actually 95 "yes, great for S gauge hobby" against 8 "don't like" votes. More than half of the voters intend to purchase at least one locomotive -- and that figure is probably higher. When the poll closes, I will do an private inventory of email responses to get the accurate numbers of how many individual members intend to purchase at least one locomotive. Could run as high as 70 percent. Here are the questions: VOTE FOR ONE: O I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby O Don't like it at all VOTE FOR ANY THAT APPLY: O Would buy a Pacific steamer O Would buy a Porter O Would buy a Plymouth O Would buy a set for myself O Would buy a set for a kid as a gift Poll results as of 2 pm 03-23-05 after 98 online voters: I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby -- 90 Don't like it at all -- 8 Would buy a Pacific steamer -- 48 Would buy a Porter -- 42 Would buy a Plymouth -- 51 Would buy a set for myself -- 19 Would buy a set for a kid as a gift -- 45 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35080	From: John Foley	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: NASG/AM Heavy Weights

Hi Folks I have some of the two tone gray HW's and a small amount of the Canadian National HW's in both body styles. I also have some of the Pullman Green HW's in both body styles avilable without decals, These are discounted at $60 each plus shipping. Also I have one Pullmam left with decals either body style. and 1 Tuscan 10-1-2 with decals. If you are interested in either of the cars above email me aznd I will hold them for you. Order forms are at http://www.nasg.org/hwpullmans.html John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35081	From: Mike Vana	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: K-Line S vs. AF, Marx, and Turbocharged Alcos

I was way behind in reading digests and just caught up today, but wanted to comment about a coule things mentioned earlier. Realizing that the topic of K-Line S gauge and its fidelty to scale has just about been beaten to death, I just want to mention that AC Gilbert made trains that were not scale either - namely the Franklin 4-4-0's, Casey Jones 4-4-0's and those hideous F9's, as well as some of the freight cars, like the old time boxcars, tie jector cars, and sheet metal frame action cars, flat cars, crane and boom cars. Then, like someone pointed out, the passenger cars were shortened, they put freight car trucks on the New Haven passenger cars, and streamlined trucks on the Old Time passenger cars. And don't forget that PA's and PB's had only 8 wheels, not 12. In short, some Gilbert S gauge wasn't perfect scale, but still didn't deter a lot of people from staying with S gauge, or converting to it. In HO, Gilbert, Lionel, Marx, Tyco, and some other manufacturers made HO trains, some very inaccurate to scale, but that didn't contribute to people leaving HO. Likewise, two rail O scale is thriving, even though Lionel, Marx, and others made so many inaccurate to scale three rail trains over the years. So if K-Line makes S gauge trains that are not scale, and maybe not even close, it is not going to mean that S scale as a whole will be downgraded. There was a time when S gaugers would want to buy anything new that was made, but the variety available is so much better now that we should not think we have to buy everything that some manufacturer makes just because it is S. I have five K Line freight cars already, and will be buying a Pacific. Back in dark days when we were looking for something new for S gauge, I wondered how the Marx Pacific would look converted to S. Now we will find out! I think it was the best looking engine Marx made. But then, Marx really made some ugly stuff - truly toy trains that were caricatures of the real trains. I will not buy everything K-Line makes in S; that caboose is definitely way too tall. Marx trains were toys, but hundreds of Marx cars (and Lionel, too) got converted to S over the years. I even have a couple. Whoever mentioned about Marx being junk, from experience I will defend them mechanically as being made very well. My Dad and I used to buy lots of Marx, and usually resold it, but only once did I find a Marx engine that didn't run. Many were relics that had not been run in years, very dusty and dirty, but with only a spark from a transformer, they took right off. And as for PA's, they were turbocharged. Aside from the 660 hp switchers, virtually any diesel Alco made was turbocharged. Mike Vana Omaha, NE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35082	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

893 TRLX 3 bay covered hopper. 11-73 http://mopac1.tripod.com/893.gif 894 RI motor transit 32' trailer. 12-60 http://mopac1.tripod.com/894.gif 895 CMO 3 bay covered hopper. 11-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/895.gif 896 CMO 3 bay covered hopper. 11-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/896.gif 897 CMO 3 bay covered hopper. 3-05 http://mopac1.tripod.com/897.gif 898 CMO 2 bay covered hopper. 2-05 http://mopac1.tripod.com/898.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35083	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/23/2005
Subject: Last cars in my Spring Cleaning 2005

I Have the following AF cars for sale $40 each, $5 shipping for as many as you buy. 6-48414 Nesquick Tanker 6-48537 Nesquick flat with milk tanks 6-48809 Northern Pacific Refer 6-48348 Northern pacific Freedom box car 6-48525 Burlington Gondola with cans 6-48662 Burlington hopper with coal 6-48478 Burlington Box car 1992 NASG 6-48415 Hooker Tank car. Thanks for looking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35084	From: beebear	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: York?

Someone mentioned that "York" is just around the corner. What is it? Where is it? How do I get info about? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35085	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Re: odd 5 digit numbers

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:21:32 -0600 "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" WROTE Subject: Re: Car and Loco numbers Flyer put 3 digit cars in boxes marked with 5 digit numbers..... anybody know of a list of what is what....... Example my 293 ln with ow is stamped 21024..... I just got a pile of boxes...... most are odd 5 digit numbers..... Bob Bob: I have a 21085 with a ow stamped 21014 Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35086	From: Mike Albert	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: 761 Semaphore operation

I am in the process of setting up a American Flyer layout using a train I got from my dad which he said he got in 1946. It's a 312 with a smoke in tender. Since we own a older house we have decided to go with a around the room shelf type setup, because I have no room for a traditional type setup. I have been buying several AF pieces and just purchased the semaphore. Just wondering what are some different ways I could use it. Right now I am thinking of hooking it up to two switches hooked together but not sure if thats to much power to operate thru the switch controller which has to operate three selenoids at one time? I don't have the double control button or the 697 track trips for two train operation. Thank you, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35087	From: roy inman	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: FW: RI cars in S

Just FYI: This is a response I got from the man who makes wonderfully detailed HO cars, Rock Island exclusively. I don't know where to begin here, but if someone can jump start the process, we might have some very good product available. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: "Ross S. Dando" <rsdando@...> > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:29:32 -0700 > To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: RE: RI cars in S > > Roy, > If someone could get orders together for the sides then I could do the > commuter, RPO and Baggage cars. I just do not have enough info on core kits > and other parts. > Ross > > -----Original Message----- > From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:35 PM > To: ross@... > Subject: RI cars in S > > > Dear Ross, > I am pretty sure you have heard this before, but I would like to add to the > request stack: > Is it possible for you folks to produce RI passenger cars in S-scale? > As you may know, there are precious few scale passenger cars available in S, > whether in brass (for the most part outside my personal budget) or in > plastic. > Because there is so little out there, my guess is that you might sell out a > medium-sized run. Both American Models and S Helper Service make RI > passenger engines, but no scale length cars to match. > > Cheers :) > Roy Inman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35088	From: Dave W	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Marxist list

No, no McCarthy here..............! I think S-listers may be aware of these plans, but over on the MarxTrain files list, there are some great building prints that come out at S scale if printed at 125%. Great stuff for the more tinplate oriented Flyers......uh....like me. I figure printing off a few, chopping and soldering some cookie tins, glue 'em on, add some lacquer and voila! Wait.....is that too much work in one sentence? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarxTrain/files/DeepRiverShortLine/ Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35089	From: roy inman	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: RI cars in S

Tom, your response is why I wanted to post the information: not having ever been involved in a project such as this, I figured there would be someone who had an idea where to start. And thanks for your thoughts :) Now perhaps someone else has a shell or two from the AM passenger cars? Roy Inman on 3/24/05 11:22 AM, Thomas Baker at bakert@... wrote: This is a great idea, but wouldn't we need the shells of the first run of American Models streamlined passenger cars as the base for such a thing. Of course, certain individuals still have a stash of Northeastern streamlined roofs out there, and perhaps that would suffice. Tom From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Thu 3/24/2005 10:42 AM To: S-scale; S-Trains Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: RI cars in S Just FYI: This is a response I got from the man who makes wonderfully detailed HO cars, Rock Island exclusively. I don't know where to begin here, but if someone can jump start the process, we might have some very good product available. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: "Ross S. Dando" <rsdando@...> > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:29:32 -0700 > To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: RE: RI cars in S > > Roy, > If someone could get orders together for the sides then I could do the > commuter, RPO and Baggage cars. I just do not have enough info on core kits > and other parts. > Ross > > -----Original Message----- > From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:35 PM > To: ross@... > Subject: RI cars in S > > > Dear Ross, > I am pretty sure you have heard this before, but I would like to add to the > request stack: > Is it possible for you folks to produce RI passenger cars in S-scale? > As you may know, there are precious few scale passenger cars available in S, > whether in brass (for the most part outside my personal budget) or in > plastic. > Because there is so little out there, my guess is that you might sell out a > medium-sized run. Both American Models and S Helper Service make RI > passenger engines, but no scale length cars to match. > > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35090	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: Re: odd 5 digit numbers

Bob, the majority of the odd 5 digit numbers appeared in the production year 1957. These numbers only appeared on the packaging and not the item. Jack Fazenbaker did an extensive study of these numbers some years back. He has an almost complete list complied. Jack was a co-editor on the third edition of the Greenberg S Gage AF book and for many years compiled the pocket guides for Greenberg. He is TCA, you might contact him for additional information. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35091	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2005
Subject: York

John, you must be a member or a guest of a TCA member to attend the organization's train meet at the York Fair Grounds. Anyone can attend the open meets at both Holiday Inns in York. Open meets start Tues. and Wed., TCA meet is Thurs. & Sat. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35092	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: 761 Semaphore operation

From: "Mike Albert" Subject: 761 Semaphore operation ?? I am in the process of setting up a American Flyer layout using a train I got from my dad which he said he got in 1946. It's a 312 with a smoke in tender. Since we own a older house we have decided to go with a around the room shelf type setup, because I have no room for a traditional type setup. I have been buying several AF pieces and just purchased the semaphore. Just wondering what are some different ways I could use it. Right now I am thinking of hooking it up to two switches hooked together but not sure if thats to much power to operate thru the switch controller which has to operate three selenoids at one time? I don't have the double control button or the 697 track trips for two train operation. Thank you, Mike THE switch controller will operate the 761 with the switches. I have a double track around the room with a single track bridge across the door. I run two trains. One each direction. A #762 controls the operation, connected with two #697 track trip ( pressure contact under each track ahead each switch ) to prioritize which train gets the green light to cross the bridge. Also, by using a small diode ( in the line ) at the yellow post on the switch, will reduce the voltage to the lamp and prevent lamp burn out. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35093	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Undecorated hopper-sorta

OK, I have a question for the group. When Flyonel made the Nickel Plate gondola, I ordered one-it looked fine, I took it out of the box-and there was no rubber stamping on one side! The decorated side was the "show" side in the box, of course. Does this error make it a valuable piece, or just a curio?-John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35094	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: F9 Diesels - What are these?

Being new to AF and S gauge, I am seeing these ugly non scale what are they diesels? Where the engines a last ditch effort by ACG or where they early diesels by Lionel? Whatever, they are really a blemish on the fine American Flyer trademark. Just asking to learn more! Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35095	From: lastman	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: Undecorated hopper-sorta

Hi John , YES this is a Factory Error , I advise you to keep it , value ....?... it has been thought by many that some " errors " were done intentionaly , a mispelling would be more understandable than " not printing one side" Anyone else have a idea on this ? any other ones out their ? have fun , Gino ----- Original Message ----- From: "john isn't eddie anymore" <druvnik@...> To: "S-Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Undecorated hopper-sorta > > > OK, I have a question for the group. When Flyonel made the Nickel Plate gondola, I ordered one-it looked fine, I took it out of the box-and there was no rubber stamping on one side! The decorated side was the "show" side in the box, of course. Does this error make it a valuable piece, or just a curio?-John Marganski > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35096	From: John Foley	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Decals & Details

Hi Folks In case you haven't seen them, Echo Mountain Models Has some S details and decals. http://www.echomtn.com/04CAT.htm#SAW2 Dan's Resin Castings Has some decals http://www.dansresincasting.com/Decals.htm John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35097	From: John Foley	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: Just what S Needs

And only on Saturday night. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "SN3" <Sn3@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 13:40 Subject: [nasgmembers] Re: Just what S Needs > > Hi John, > > Like you said this looks great but we > were happy for a hot bath back in the > 40s and 50s. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Foley" <mr-s1@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale" > <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "SN3" <Sn3@yahoogroups.com >; "NASG Members > Group" <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:23 PM > Subject: [nasgmembers] Just what S Needs > > > > > > Hi Folks > > Here is a product we all nee, A hot tub in S Scale > > Check it out at. > http://www.newrailmodels.com/Products/Detail/HotTub/Default.htm > > > > No kidding. > > > > John Foley > > NASG Promotions. > > > > Now if only I could figure out how it use it in the transition era. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35098	From: lastman	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: re , for sale " 1990 THE PONY EXPRESS " NIB

Hi All , helping an old friend to sell some of his collection due to health problems , for sale new in the box 1990 FLYER / LIONEL THE PONY EXPRESS , NEVER OPENED BOX IS SEALED AS RECIEVED FROM HOBBY SHOP , ANY ONE INTERESTED PLEASE E MAIL ME OFF LIST , ASKING $475 plus shipping( 14 # ) in another box ( HE WANTED $ 700 ) I will ask if he has the extra cars and a reasonable price for them , Thanks All , have fun , Gino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35099	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: Just what S Needs

Hi John, Like you said this looks great but we were happy for a hot bath back in the 40s and 50s. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Foley" <mr-s1@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "SN3" <Sn3@yahoogroups.com >; "NASG Members Group" <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: [nasgmembers] Just what S Needs > > Hi Folks > Here is a product we all nee, A hot tub in S Scale > Check it out at. http://www.newrailmodels.com/Products/Detail/HotTub/Default.htm > > No kidding. > > John Foley > NASG Promotions. > > Now if only I could figure out how it use it in the transition era.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35100	From: Dave W	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: S scale printable buildings uploaded

Hi gang, I have uploaded gif files of printable buildings under the folder- name "Locomotive Annie" Printed at 125%, they will be S scale! Credit is due to Locomotive Annie over on the Marx list, aka Anne Welborn from New Zealand. Nice work, Anne! I will shortly be trimming some cookie tins down and applying prints and lacquer......... There are several more prints, so please contact me off list if you would like to see more. Unfortunately our Files folder is reaching full capacity and I can't upload any more. Have fun, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35101	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: York

Yes, it was a quick answer, as long as I've going should have mentioned everything. Some start selling on Sunday night, firehall and rooms. I had the fall TCA meet on my mind when I said Thurs- Fri. There is a lot of concern about opening the meet on Thurs. because it is on a Jewish holiday. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35102	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: York

Harwood..... Sorry..... the Bandit or open meets occur and all three motels and the fire hall.... if you count ther outside meets and the inside separate it is like 6 train shows.... these run from monday thru thursday..... don't forget the room meets at the billy bud where people pile stuff in their windows..... the TCA meet is Friday and Sat.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <beebear@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York > > > > John, you must be a member or a guest of a TCA member to attend the > organization's train meet at the York Fair Grounds. Anyone can attend > the open meets > at both Holiday Inns in York. Open meets start Tues. and Wed., TCA meet > is > Thurs. & Sat. > > Harwood > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35103	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Re: F9 Diesels - What are these?

JERRY..... These came out near the end in 1961 - 64..... they are collectible as all other Gilbert items....... I have some.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: F9 Diesels - What are these? > > > > Being new to AF and S gauge, I am seeing these ugly non scale what > are they diesels? Where the engines a last ditch effort by ACG or > where they early diesels by Lionel? Whatever, they are > really a blemish on the fine American Flyer trademark. > > Just asking to learn more! > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35104	From: butchclimax	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Static Beacon

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: butchclimax <sager@...> Date: Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:35 pm Subject: Static Beacon Hello All, I've always received very good advice from this group and I've come up with another question the archives don't list. What is the secret to a succesful REVOLVING Aircraft Beacon? I'm afraid to start bending the little fins back-and-forth in a hit and miss attempt at success. Would one dare use a lube on the bulb/pivot contact point? Beacon top seems to sit level. Thanks as always, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35105	From: rexputt	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Rex Locos

New pictures of the Rex Mogul and 0-6-0 at www.putttrains.com . I have been assembling and shipping Rex locos for six months now and expect to be caught up with current orders in June. Terry Putt Putt Trains Inc. puttrain@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35106	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 27, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35107	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Buildings

I've located some reproduction buildings: factory, grain elevator, etc. I haven't seen a lot of the original pieces offered for sale. From your experiences, are these repros a "good" addition to a layout or is there a good source for the originals? Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35108	From: John Foley	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: TCA Convention

Hi S Manufacturers The Inland Empire S Gaugers will be representing S Gauge and the NASG at the 2005 TCA convention http://www.traincollector.org/Convention.htm this June in Seattle, Wa. So if you won't be there you can send some literature to pass out to, Jon Kettner 13126 E 15th Ave Spokane Valley, WA 99216 If you live in Seattle would would like to lend a hand setting up and running the layout contact Jon at. jkettner@... Thanks John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35109	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Frontiersman car question

I just received a Frontiersman passenger set that has 20 and 40 car with lighting and figures in the windows. Anyone know if this is some sort of variation as it appears factory. Thanks, Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35110	From: Jim Marski	Date: 3/25/2005
Subject: Satin silver paint

Has anyone found a perfect match for the satin silver used on the AF 960 series streamlined passenger cars? Need some for touchup and repaint. Thanks, Jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35111	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question

***((((I just received a Frontiersman passenger set that has 20 and 40 car with lighting and figures in the windows. Anyone know if this is some sort of variation as it appears factory.Thanks, Jim)))*** Jim, I'll take a stab and say the lighting and figures were added. Pretty sure they didn't come with lights. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any with lights. I can check my book when I am more awake!!! Midnight now, I need to go to bed!! Rick "ZZzZzzz" Evans. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35112	From: lastman	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: for sale ,PONY EXPRESS 1990 .... SOLD THANK YOU

Hi All , Thank you for the interest , the set is considered sold to an offer of $550 and max of $ 100 each for the additional cars ,the buyer stated he will drive the 110 miles and pick up by 5:pm today if this does not complete i will contact each in order of reply , bob conner ,roy inman,etc Thank You , Gino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35113	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Calling all scratchbuilders and kitbashers

Y'all...this may be a bit unusual for S gauge folks, but I would like to hear from anyone who kit bashes, modifies, scratchbuilds, etc. in S gauge. While this site, and the S hobby, appears to be very much involved in collecting, I know there are those who go beyond that part of the hobby. I'm sure some avid collectors may think we have been drawn to the "dark side" because we tinker with, repaint, or change things S gauge. Therefore you need not reply on list! ;) Darth Vader....Oops...Stumpy Stone, somewhere in Appalachia...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35114	From: Shughart, Larry	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question

I lighted a set of these several years ago. It was very easy to do. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:06 AM To: STrains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frontiersman car question ***((((I just received a Frontiersman passenger set that has 20 and 40 car with lighting and figures in the windows. Anyone know if this is some sort of variation as it appears factory.Thanks, Jim)))*** Jim, I'll take a stab and say the lighting and figures were added. Pretty sure they didn't come with lights. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any with lights. I can check my book when I am more awake!!! Midnight now, I need to go to bed!! Rick "ZZzZzzz" Evans. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35115	From: beebear	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: York?

Hello All I would like to say a big thank you to all who replied about the mystery of York I feel that a membership to TCA is not in my best interest at this time. If I do make it to York this year I hope to meet some of you that I have met on the list. Again Thank you for all the information John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35116	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question

Hi All, I just the other night saw on EBay, a figure strip available for the Frontier set passanger cars. Was pretty cool, had Civil War Figures with and without caps and hats. Was available I think for like $5 per strip or set, not sure. As stated, lighting would be a pretty easy trick. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35117	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Kadee Coupler Gauge

Does anyone sell an S, Kadee Coupler Gauge? I have a lot of cars with couplers at all sorts of heights and need to adjust them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35118	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Turnouts

Jerry - Any website or other info on the turnouts that you're aware of? Came up empty on a web search. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH At 06:32 PM 3/1/2005, Jerry Poniatowski wrote: >Guys, > >I recently got a pair of #6 turnouts from Tom Holtz >(Tom’s Trackwork and Turnouts). Keeping in mind the >recent mention of turnouts that can handle a variety >of S products, I had to post this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35119	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

and he notes - That's Roger Hinds's layout located in Bethlehem, NH. I knew him when he and my friend Bob Dustin had a Flyer layout in a church near Newton, Mass. back in the 70s. I went through the exhibit back in the 90s not knowing it was his until he came out to guide the tour. He had moved to New Hampshire some time in the early 80s and taught school. As I understand, he started the layout in the attic and got the idea for the exhibit when he became ill and had to give up teaching. It's not hard to find as Bethlehem is a small town but is busy during the summer months. I thought there was a bigger layout S Gauge in mid-Pennsylvania, but it may be gone now. Raleigh At 01:41 PM 3/26/2005, Bill Lane wrote: >Hi All, > > > >I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" I >have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 >Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" > > > >Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> >http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html > > > > > >Thank You, > >Bill Lane > > > >Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 > >http://www.pennsysmodels.com > >The freight versions are currently in production > > > >Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to >reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail >software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you >on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35120	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

Hi All, I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" I have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35121	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

Hi Bill, Yes! I communicated with the owner several years ago. It is an American Flyer layout like Bob Boards in Lancaster. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> To: "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA > > > Hi All, > > > > I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" I > have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 > Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" > > > > Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> > http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html > > > > > > Thank You, > > Bill Lane > > > > Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 > > http://www.pennsysmodels.com > > The freight versions are currently in production > > > > Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35122	From: Robert Boring	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Kadee Coupler Gauge

Check the NASG clearing house on their web site. They have them. Bob Boring ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Kadee Coupler Gauge > > > > > Does anyone sell an S, Kadee Coupler Gauge? > > I have a lot of cars with couplers at all sorts of heights and need to > adjust them. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35123	From: DougK	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

Are you thinking of this place?? It's not S http://www.roadsideamericainc.com/index.html DougK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rollain Mercier" <raleigh@...> To: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...>; "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA > > > and he notes - > > That's Roger Hinds's layout located in Bethlehem, NH. I knew him when he > and my friend Bob Dustin had a Flyer layout in a church near Newton, Mass. > back in the 70s. I went through the exhibit back in the 90s not knowing it > was his until he came out to guide the tour. He had moved to New Hampshire > some time in the early 80s and taught school. > > As I understand, he started the layout in the attic and got the idea for > the exhibit when he became ill and had to give up teaching. It's not hard > to find as Bethlehem is a small town but is busy during the summer months. > > I thought there was a bigger layout S Gauge in mid-Pennsylvania, but it > may > be gone now. > > Raleigh > > At 01:41 PM 3/26/2005, Bill Lane wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >> >> >>I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" >>I >>have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 >>Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" >> >> >> >>Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> >>http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >>Thank You, >> >>Bill Lane >> >> >> >>Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 >> >>http://www.pennsysmodels.com >> >>The freight versions are currently in production >> >> >> >>Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >>The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to >>reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail >>software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you >>on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. >> >>Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >>view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35124	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Kadee Coupler Gauge

Robert, Kadee sells an S Scale coupler height gauge. http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page174.htm I bought a few of them. I mounted 2 of them to either end of a 30" piece of track Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35125	From: {USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Re: Frontiersman car question

I have a few in storage in original box never opened. I will be where they are next weekend. I'll check and see for sure but I don't recall those cars having either. oleeb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Frontiersman car question > > > ***((((I just received a Frontiersman passenger set that has 20 and 40 car with lighting and figures in the windows. Anyone know if this is some sort of variation as it appears factory.Thanks, Jim)))*** > > > Jim, > I'll take a stab and say the lighting and figures were added. Pretty sure they didn't come with lights. > I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any with lights. > I can check my book when I am more awake!!! Midnight now, I need to go to bed!! > > > Rick "ZZzZzzz" Evans. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35126	From: lastman	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: " 1990 PONY EXPRESS " has been sold , thank you

Hi All , this set has been picked up and THANK YOU Gino ----- Original Message ----- From: lastman To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [BAAFC] Fw: For sale " 1990 THE PONY EXPRESS " NIB ----- Original Message ----- From: lastman To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: re , for sale " 1990 THE PONY EXPRESS " NIB Hi All , helping an old friend to sell some of his collection due to health problems , for sale new in the box 1990 FLYER / LIONEL THE PONY EXPRESS , NEVER OPENED BOX IS SEALED AS RECIEVED FROM HOBBY SHOP , ANY ONE INTERESTED PLEASE E MAIL ME OFF LIST , ASKING $475 plus shipping( 14 # ) in another box ( HE WANTED $ 700 ) I will ask if he has the extra cars and a reasonable price for them , Thanks All , have fun , Gino Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BAAFC/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BAAFC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35127	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 3/26/2005
Subject: Northern Pacific Lionel/Flyer passenger cars for Sale

I have 7 NP passenger cars for sale $75 each plus $5 shipping (usps to USA48) for as many as you buy. These 5 are new in the box 1 - 6- xx 924 vista dome..... 2 - 6-xx925 coach.... 1 - 6-xxx934 diner.... 1 - 6-xxx922 dome... These 2 are modified with windows replaced with frosted material (original window sheets included) and lighting replaced with American Models lighting boards. 1 - 6-xxx21 coach... 1 - 6-xxx22 vista dome..... also for sale $40 each new in the box Burlington Red Hopper 6-48622 Burlington Red Gondola 6-48525... Burlington red Boxcar 1992 NASG special 6-48478..... ($45 for 1, $85 for 2, or $125 all 3 shipping included) Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35128	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

Roadside America is an "O" gauge empire Bob Board's All Aboard Model Railroad is "S" American Flyer on Landis Valley Road in Lancaster. He advertises in magazines for trains and smoke. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougK" <scubadoo2@...> To: "Rollain Mercier" <raleigh@...>; "Bill Lane" <billlane@...>; "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA > > > Are you thinking of this place?? It's not S > http://www.roadsideamericainc.com/index.html > > DougK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rollain Mercier" <raleigh@...> > To: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...>; "S Scale List" > <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:11 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA > > > > > > > > and he notes - > > > > That's Roger Hinds's layout located in Bethlehem, NH. I knew him when he > > and my friend Bob Dustin had a Flyer layout in a church near Newton, Mass. > > back in the 70s. I went through the exhibit back in the 90s not knowing it > > was his until he came out to guide the tour. He had moved to New Hampshire > > some time in the early 80s and taught school. > > > > As I understand, he started the layout in the attic and got the idea for > > the exhibit when he became ill and had to give up teaching. It's not hard > > to find as Bethlehem is a small town but is busy during the summer months. > > > > I thought there was a bigger layout S Gauge in mid-Pennsylvania, but it > > may > > be gone now. > > > > Raleigh > > > > At 01:41 PM 3/26/2005, Bill Lane wrote: > > > >>Hi All, > >> > >> > >> > >>I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" > >>I > >>have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 > >>Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" > >> > >> > >> > >>Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> > >>http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Thank You, > >> > >>Bill Lane > >> > >> > >> > >>Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 > >> > >>http://www.pennsysmodels.com > >> > >>The freight versions are currently in production > >> > >> > >> > >>Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >>The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to > >>reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail > >>software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you > >>on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > >> > >>Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, > >>view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35129	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

I guess I didn't look to good when you visited me. I moved to NH for the sole purpose of starting my museum based on using American flyer . I started my plans for my museum when I was about 12 years old. Anyway, I moved up here in 79 and opened in 81. I have added quite a bit over the years. I had a customer come in years ago to see the display. After a couple of weeks he sent back a letter. that verified that I indeed had the largest 3/16 scale model RR on public display.. Had ??? Yup, Had. I tore down the display to make a model RR of the mountain Division of Maine Central. It is based on a period of about 1880 . I need very old style rolling stock. Civil war era stuff. My Franklin with coaches helps in that regard. My display starts at the RR yard in Bartlett NH and goes through the Notch to Faybyans. I have built a model of the original Frankenstien tresstle. I am almost done building the willey brook bridge. I have to make a model of the girders ( another bridge, made of girders. ) And I need to make another trestle that was just before the gateway to the notch.. My model of the valley will go to my floor. As the rails climb higher as it goes up into the mountains. Bartlett is about a foot off the floor. Fabayns is abot 4 feet off of the floor. The main line will be about 100' long. I will have an extensive yard at each end including the y's at both yards. I hope to have it ready for viewing by June 1st. , which is the beginning of my summer season. Gotta go it is about 1:00 am Roger Hinds Rollain Mercier wrote: >and he notes - > >That's Roger Hinds's layout located in Bethlehem, NH. I knew him when he >and my friend Bob Dustin had a Flyer layout in a church near Newton, Mass. >back in the 70s. I went through the exhibit back in the 90s not knowing it >was his until he came out to guide the tour. He had moved to New Hampshire >some time in the early 80s and taught school. > >As I understand, he started the layout in the attic and got the idea for >the exhibit when he became ill and had to give up teaching. It's not hard >to find as Bethlehem is a small town but is busy during the summer months. > >I thought there was a bigger layout S Gauge in mid-Pennsylvania, but it may >be gone now. > >Raleigh > >At 01:41 PM 3/26/2005, Bill Lane wrote: > > > >>Hi All, >> >> >> >>I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" I >>have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 >>Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" >> >> >> >>Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> >>http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >>Thank You, >> >>Bill Lane >> >> >> >>Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 >> >>http://www.pennsysmodels.com >> >>The freight versions are currently in production >> >> >> >>Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >>The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to >>reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail >>software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you >>on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. >> >>Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >>view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35130	From: Ironhorse	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

Roadside of America has (had?) American Flyer in its display. Last time I was there they told me they don't run it because it isn't reliable enough.. I think they just had a loop with the train in the center of the display. They run vintage Lionel last I knew. The lionel track looked like the track joints were welded together. I could see where the ground off the excess weld. Maybe silver solder? Antway it is a great display. Lots of animation and vintage stuff. Roger Hinds DougK wrote: >Are you thinking of this place?? It's not S >http://www.roadsideamericainc.com/index.html > >DougK >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rollain Mercier" <raleigh@...> >To: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...>; "S Scale List" ><S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:11 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA > > > > >>and he notes - >> >>That's Roger Hinds's layout located in Bethlehem, NH. I knew him when he >>and my friend Bob Dustin had a Flyer layout in a church near Newton, Mass. >>back in the 70s. I went through the exhibit back in the 90s not knowing it >>was his until he came out to guide the tour. He had moved to New Hampshire >>some time in the early 80s and taught school. >> >>As I understand, he started the layout in the attic and got the idea for >>the exhibit when he became ill and had to give up teaching. It's not hard >>to find as Bethlehem is a small town but is busy during the summer months. >> >>I thought there was a bigger layout S Gauge in mid-Pennsylvania, but it >>may >>be gone now. >> >>Raleigh >> >>At 01:41 PM 3/26/2005, Bill Lane wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>>I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" >>>I >>>have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 >>>Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" >>> >>> >>> >>>Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> >>>http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Thank You, >>> >>>Bill Lane >>> >>> >>> >>>Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 >>> >>>http://www.pennsysmodels.com >>> >>>The freight versions are currently in production >>> >>> >>> >>>Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>>The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to >>>reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail >>>software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you >>>on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. >>> >>>Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >>>view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35131	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

and he replies - Well, a blast from the past! ...And thanks for jogging my memory. I recall that you had been ill and wasn't sure about the dates. At my age a few years or so either way is close enough for me. I'll plan a visit for this summer - haven't been up that way for ages and would like to see what's left of railroads. I did get to the Conway RR a few years ago and rode the line through the Notch. Now that was a trip! There's not much available in S for old time stuff but I think Heimberger still has open end coaches which would fit that era. Maybe SHS's billboard reefers could be back dated with archbar trucks and truss rods. Motive power would be a challenge. A Rex Mogul with a balloon stack and a wooden cab would work. Both the B&M and MeC had them about that time and used them on the Mountain Division. Bachmann's 0n30 stuff is another possibility. Good to hear from you and good luck with the project, Raleigh At 12:57 AM 3/27/2005, Ironhorse wrote: >I guess I didn't look to good when you visited me. I moved to NH for >the sole purpose of starting >my museum based on using American flyer . I started my plans for my >museum when I was about 12 years old. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35132	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

and he notes - No. I'm familiar with Roadside America. The one I'm thinking of was a Flyer based display layout near Harrisburg in a free standing building. I recall visiting it at the Hershey Convention back in the 70s. It must be long gone now... Raleigh At 04:18 PM 3/26/2005, DougK wrote: >Are you thinking of this place?? It's not S >http://www.roadsideamericainc.com/index.html > >DougK >----- Original Message ----- From: "Rollain Mercier" <raleigh@...> >To: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...>; "S Scale List" ><S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:11 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA > > >> >> >>and he notes - >> >>That's Roger Hinds's layout located in Bethlehem, NH. I knew him when he >>and my friend Bob Dustin had a Flyer layout in a church near Newton, Mass. >>back in the 70s. I went through the exhibit back in the 90s not knowing it >>was his until he came out to guide the tour. He had moved to New Hampshire >>some time in the early 80s and taught school. >> >>As I understand, he started the layout in the attic and got the idea for >>the exhibit when he became ill and had to give up teaching. It's not hard >>to find as Bethlehem is a small town but is busy during the summer months. >> >>I thought there was a bigger layout S Gauge in mid-Pennsylvania, but it may >>be gone now. >> >>Raleigh >> >>At 01:41 PM 3/26/2005, Bill Lane wrote: >> >>>Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>>I found this website on another website of "unusual roadside attractions" I >>>have never heard of it before. They claim to be "The Worlds Largest 3/16 >>>Scale Model Railroad that's on Public Display" >>> >>> >>> >>>Enjoy - <http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html> >>>http://members.tripod.com/~s_scale/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Thank You, >>> >>>Bill Lane >>> >>> >>> >>>Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 >>> >>>http://www.pennsysmodels.com >>> >>>The freight versions are currently in production >>> >>> >>> >>>Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>>The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to >>>reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail >>>software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you >>>on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. >>> >>>Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >>>view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35133	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: The new look at Yahoo

I'm less than impressed with the changes. Nothing fits my screen anymore, I have to waste time figuring out how to get around, and who knows what they've done to Chat? I'll probably be late getting on tonight while I re-figure it out! I guess these clowns haven't figured out that we're not all computer geeks! This is just a tool. If I want style I'll go buy an '05 Mustang! Stumpy Stone...lost and confused in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35134	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: Turnouts

see http://s-scale.org/albums/albun00 to see Tom's Turnouts Dick Kuepper <rkuepper@...> wrote: Jerry - Any website or other info on the turnouts that you're aware of? Came up empty on a web search. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH At 06:32 PM 3/1/2005, Jerry Poniatowski wrote: >Guys, > >I recently got a pair of #6 turnouts from Tom Holtz >(Tom���s Trackwork and Turnouts). Keeping in mind the >recent mention of turnouts that can handle a variety >of S products, I had to post this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35135	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: The new look at Yahoo

On Sunday, March 27, 2005, at 08:54 AM, Stumpy Stone wrote: > > > > I'm less than impressed with the changes. Nothing fits my screen > anymore, I have to waste time figuring out how to get around, and who > knows what they've done to Chat? I'll probably be late getting on > tonight while I re-figure it out! > I guess these clowns haven't figured out that we're not all computer > geeks! This is just a tool. If I want style I'll go buy an '05 > Mustang! > Stumpy Stone...lost and confused in Ahia. Where is the change at? I use a Mac and there has been no change for me. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia. Shin: A device for finding furniture

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35136	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: 1965 Press Kit

I just picked up a 1965 PRESS KIT - ALL ABOARD...In a printed paper folder. it is full of glossy photos with factory letters on each giving info about the pics.... and letters from Cushman and assoc giving authorazation on each for publication..... They talk about The 62 nd toy fair and are dated 3 - 4, 1965.... There is no reference to this item in any of the guides.... it does have the All Aboard photo release in it..... I also picked up several other cats with * after them in the guides and 1 vinyl binder full of stuff from 64 with 1964 American Flyer printed on the cover and I think the salesmans name.....any ideas to value or where I can find info? And yes CHUCK I wil keep these so we can put them on your site along with what I believe was the 1956 DISPLAY catalog that recently sold for over 500 on e-bay.... anyone know any more on this one too....guide for d1882 is 40......Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35137	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: weekly chat - no changes here

Weekly chat is at http://s-scale.org/forum/ This page belongs to me and is not associated in any way with Yahoo. No changes are planned for the chat site. Sunday night chat is a weekly event. We usually have between 10 to 30 chatters. This is a text based chat, some folks just login and read the conversation. No special software is required. AOL users often have better luck using Microsoft Internet Explorer rather than the AOL browser. If you register with the site, others will be able to see who you are by clicking on the icon next to your name. If you wish to remain anonymous you can login without registering. The chat is very informal and gives the list members a chance to chat about their other interests. We usually get a couple good conversations going about train repair or layout design. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: PONY EXPRESS ETC

I too have a mint in the box Pony Express set still plastic wrapped & with the org shipping box. It also comes with 2 extra cars $660.00 shipping to the 48 included. I also have a mint MP set with extra "B" unit & I think 2 Cars A NP mint set wit 2 cars & a "B:" unit. Both "B" unit have rail sounds Please contact me off list (I also need to check as to how many cars on the MP & NP) OFFERS? ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35139	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: turnouts

From: Dick Kuepper, Jerry - Any website or other info on the turnouts that you're aware of? Came up empty on a web search. Jerry Poniatowski wrote: >Guys, > >I recently got a pair of #6 turnouts from Tom Holtz >(Tomâ?Ts Trackwork and Turnouts). Keeping in mind the >recent mention of turnouts that can handle a variety >of S products, Dick and all, Perhaps I can help, you can find my turnouts in two places: http://s-scale.org/albums/album33 click on the business card. http://www.tuveson.com/TomsTurnouts/TomsTurnouts.htm Some changes have occurred since these pictures were taken. The turnouts are now fully weathered and the inserts are updated and black. I need to update the pictures as well. More detailed info about the brass scale testing is available on request. But yes, these open frog turnouts have handled all scale equipment, as well as Flyer and Hi-rail, that have had the chance to run through them. Thank you for your interest, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35140	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: FLYERTOWN IN NJ

Since many of you can't come East to see our wealth of layouts, you can buy the latest Classic Toy Trains magazine and see a great article on Flyertown built by Joe & Flo Jones in Clermont, New Jersey. This layout is built with "S" Gargraves track and operates American Flyer, S Helper & American Models equipment. Joe also sells American Flyer & S Helper Service. Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35141	From: hspanier2000	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Postwar American Flyer Manhattan Showroom Layout

Is there a website or are there pictures of the this layout? I presume there was only one large one? What year was it constructed? When was it taken down? Is there a schematic of this layout? It has been an interest of mine for years. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Mike Spanier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35142	From: b_way_ltd	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: The Hall of Science Layout

Hello From New Orleans! The TCA magazine had an article about the layout sometime in the early 1980's. I think that it was in the spring issue of 1984. b_way_ltd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35143	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 27, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35144	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: The new look at Yahoo

Stumpy, I'm inclined to agree with you. But this new look isn't that bad. Just will take some getting used to. But if you REALLY want style, get a '65 Mustang! Got a '66 hardtop in my garage where it lives when the snow and salt in on the ground. When that happens, there's the trains.... Jerry Pponiatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > > I'm less than impressed with the changes. If I want style I'll go buy an '05 > Mustang! > Stumpy Stone...lost and confused in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35145	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Re: The Hall of Science Layout

CTT of August, 1992 had a article about the person who built many of the Hall's layouts. I just happen to come across this today, as I was weeding out CTT's and S Gaugian's magazine. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35146	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: Last Call: 2005 K-Line S Gauge Items

Thanks for all of the interest and advance orders for the 2005 S gauge offerings from K-Line. If you have not yet ordered, the deadline for these early buy prices is March 30th. Joe's Train Repair will be offering the entire 2005 line of K-Line S gauge trains. These are our early Buy special prices: RetailMyPrice K511-037 Heinz Pickles boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-038 Heinz Ketchup boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-041 Coke boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-042 Diet-Coke boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-044 Looney Tunes boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-045 Heinz Baked Beans boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-046 Flatcar w/Coke trailer 27.95 23.00 K511-047 Flatcar w/Diet Coke trailer 27.95 23.00 K511-048 Flatcar w/Coke bottle trlr 27.95 23.00 K511-049 Baby Ruth boxcar 27.95 23.00 K511-050 Carvel boxcar 27.95 23.00 K515-001 B&O Pacific Steam Loco/Tender 149.95 119.95 K515-002 Erie Pacific Steam Loco/Tender 149.95 119.95 K516-001 NH Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K516-002 SF Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K516-003 Milw. Plymouth Switcher 109.95 89.95 K517-001 PRR Porter Switcher 109.95 89.95 K517-002 Timken Porter Switcher 109.95 89.95 K517-003 SP Porter Switcher 109.95 89.95 K-5801 NYC Pacific Steam Set 249.95 199.95 K-5802 ATSF Pacific Steam Set 249.95 199.95 K-5803 Reading Pacific Steam Set 269.95 219.95 Again, the deadline for early buy orders is March 30th. You must have credit card of record or 15 percent deposit for these prices. Expected shipping date is August 2005 for cars and September 2005 for locos and sets. To view any of these items, go to www.k-linetrains.com, click on the 2005 1st Edition Catalog, and go down the list to find the S gauge items. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35147	From: Bob Anson	Date: 3/27/2005
Subject: for sale

just finished some new artwork for Gerber Baby food decals, with the running animals. $10.00 per set plus s/h. you choice of scales (O, S, HO) please contact me offlist for more info. thanks for the bandwidthe, now back to modeling....Bob Anson custom painting, Columbia, SC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35148	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: 1965 Press Kit

Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:12:47 -0600 From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> Subject: 1965 Press Kit Bob Conner wrote: >>I just picked up a 1965 PRESS KIT - ALL ABOARD...In >>a printed paper folder. it is full of glossy photos >>with factory letters on each giving info about the >>pics.... and letters from Cushman and assoc giving >>authorazation on each for publication..... They talk >>about The 62 nd toy fair and are dated 3 - 4, >>1965.... There is no reference to this item in any >>of the guides.... it does have the All Aboard photo >>release in it..... Bob, This sounds like a real winner. How about bringing it to the Gilbert Show and Tell at York? Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35149	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] CROSSROADS OF AMERICA

and he notes - That was Allen Whidden. I seem to remember he slept under the layout. He attended one of the conventions but I didn't get a chance to see the layout. Don't know what ever happened to it though. Raleigh At 10:45 AM 3/28/2005, Bob Werre wrote: >As long as we're going down old weed grown memories, let me bring up a >gentlemen from Nova Scotia, Canada. who had a AF layout in an old bus. > I think he used to follow the carnival route during the summer. His >first name was Allen--think the last name started with a W.,--we were in >a circuit letter together. Wonder what happened to his setup? > Another thing that I recall, in my last year or two in high school, >the family took a vacation to the Black Hill's of my home state of South >Dakota to the tourist railroad called the '1880's train or the Black >Hill Central. In an adjoining building near the rail yards was a model >railroad setup of all AF trains ( and we're talking the later stuff >here--1964 perhaps) Gilbert had done the setup and a soon to be college >student was hired to run the layout. It was a very nice layout for this >little guy to view. Unfortunately, a couple of years later it was gone, >and so was Gilbert.! I've never heard any word about this, or similar >setups to this one, in any of the AF collector books or articles. > >Bob Werre

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35150	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: S Gauge GG-1 For Sale

I've decided to sell an S gauge GG-1 I have. I believe it is a resin casting with 2 larger AC(?) motors and a reversing unit. It's a 4-6-6-4, tuscan solid stripe, runs and reverses well, 14" long without couplers; excellent + condition. $250. I don't know much about this one as I collect mostly prewar. Bill Lyon TCA 75-8175

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35151	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1965 Press Kit

Joe..... will bring it along with several others that just have * after them.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 1965 Press Kit > > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:12:47 -0600 > From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> > Subject: 1965 Press Kit > Bob Conner wrote: > >>>I just picked up a 1965 PRESS KIT - ALL ABOARD...In >>>a printed paper folder. it is full of glossy photos >>>with factory letters on each giving info about the >>>pics.... and letters from Cushman and assoc giving >>>authorazation on each for publication..... They talk > >>>about The 62 nd toy fair and are dated 3 - 4, >>>1965.... There is no reference to this item in any >>>of the guides.... it does have the All Aboard photo >>>release in it..... > > Bob, > > This sounds like a real winner. How about bringing it > to the Gilbert Show and Tell at York? > > Joe > > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35153	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: SETS FOR SALE LOWER PRICES

I reduced the price on the sets. Pony Express +2 cars $500+$30 shipping & ins MP + B unit + 1 car $600 +$30 shipping &INS NP Full set + B unit + 2 cars $825 + $35 shipping+ INS These are all brand new & mint in the box The Pony may still have the plastic wrap & the box it came in PLEASE contact me off list ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35154	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

899 MEC 50' boxcar. 3-05 http://mopac1.tripod.com/899.gif 900 FBOX 50' highcube boxcar. 8-04 http://mopac1.tripod.com/900.gif 901 WSOR 3 bay covered hopper. 1990's http://mopac1.tripod.com/901.gif 902 ERCX 3 bay covered hopper. 3-05 http://mopac1.tripod.com/902.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35155	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/28/2005
Subject: Electrical Question

Greetings! I would like to try to create a 4-way blinking, overhead stoplight for an intersection on the layout. I can find a 5 volt red flashing light bulb but would like to connect to the transformer running the layout lights. Is there a way compensate for the difference in voltage without hooking several of these in series? I don't have anything else close to the location to try to light with the extra bulbs and putting a group of them under the table would seem to complicate a bulb failure. Any thoughts for a solution would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35156	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: LED Series Resistance Calculator

Use the calculator link below to determine the series resistor needed to connect various series combinations of light emitting diodes or "LEDs". http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/led.htm Pretty LED site http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm Paul Yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35157	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Module Building Tips by Calvin Azarowicz & Ted Zanders

Check out this page. It is very interesting. Everything you ever wanted to know about Module building. A good example of sharing knowledge. http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/SPECS/Modular.html Lots of these tips can be used on your home layout. No surprise the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers have always been about sharing. Paul Yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35158	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: (no subject)

Dear group: Did something happen to Eric? I sent an inquiry about the BC tank car and <silence>. Worried, Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:16:28 -0800 From: "Eric & Jean Reis" <northline@...> Subject: American Flyer by Lionel for Sale I have the following extra items for sale. I figured I would offer them here prior to putting them on EBAY. Prices include USPS ground mail to USA48. If you want Insurance and or Priority mail, I can add it on. These are new in their original boxes. 6-48222 TTOS AF Tank Car. Made for British Columbia TTOS meet. British Columbia Electric Railway...$50 6-48415 Orange/black HOOKER 3 dome tank car ( MSRP was $50 ) for this group $42 shipped. 6-49011 Union Pacific Moe and Joe Operating lumber Car (msrp was $70) for this group $57 shipped. 6-49012 Sante Fe Crain Car (msrp Was $70) and 6-48723 Sante Fe Work Caboose (msrp was $50) Both as a set $105 shipped. Thanks for looking Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. TCA -87-26227 EBAY er099 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35159	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: New Photo Album at MyFlyerTrains.org

A new photo album at MyFlyerTrains.org show an interesting 4 x 8 foot layout belonging to Bob Kiehl. Take a look at Bob's photos... http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album18 You can get your own photo album at MyFlyerTrains.Org just for the asking... Thanks, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35160	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re:

Still here.....I had some emails that took a wrong turn in cyberspace somewhere. A few I sent out got lost. By the way you were #3 on the tanker and the payment by #1 showed up. Thanks for responding. All I really have left is the Lionel Flyer Passenger cars. 3 each domes and Coaches and 1 diner. $70 each Shipped to USA48. I also have the ASTF Crane and Boom car as a set. I will let them both go togeather for $90 shipped to USA48. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Dear group: > > Did something happen to Eric? I sent an inquiry about the BC tank car > and . > > Worried, > Thorin > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:16:28 -0800 > From: "Eric & Jean Reis" > Subject: American Flyer by Lionel for Sale > > > I have the following extra items for sale. I figured I would offer them > here prior to putting them on EBAY. Prices include USPS ground mail to > USA48. If you want Insurance and or Priority mail, I can add it on. > These are new in their original boxes. > > > > 6-48222 TTOS AF Tank Car. Made for British Columbia TTOS meet. > British Columbia Electric Railway...$50 > > 6-48415 Orange/black HOOKER 3 dome tank car ( MSRP was $50 ) for > this group $42 shipped. > > 6-49011 Union Pacific Moe and Joe Operating lumber Car (msrp was $70) > for this group $57 shipped. > > 6-49012 Sante Fe Crain Car (msrp Was $70) and 6-48723 Sante Fe Work > Caboose (msrp was $50) Both as a set $105 shipped. > > Thanks for looking > > Eric Reis > > Kenmore, Wa. > > TCA -87-26227 > > EBAY er099 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35161	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: LTI SETS FOR SALE

I  reduced the price on the sets. Pony Express IS SOLD+ MP    + B unit + 1 car         $600 +$30 shipping &INS NP  Full set + B unit + 2 cars $825 + $35 shipping+ INS These are all brand new & mint in the box The Pony may still have the plastic wrap & the box it came in PLEASE contact me off list ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35162	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re: Static Beacon - Lipstick on a pig?

Butch, I think it was a defective design and never really worked... some members have compensated by putting little fans in the units to make it turn... some have used and overpowered the bulbs to get more heat... As they say here in Texas - It's all putting lipstick on a pig... Buy a cheap Lionel or MTH vibro-motor based model, take off the vibro-motor and put it on the heat driven model you want to work... the Lionel designed vibro-motor was a much better design that was patented so Gilbert couldn't use the idea back then... Scott Dee Date: Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:35 pm Subject: Static Beacon Hello All, I've always received very good advice from this group and I've come up with another question the archives don't list. What is the secret to a succesful REVOLVING Aircraft Beacon? I'm afraid to start bending the little fins back-and-forth in a hit and miss attempt at success. Would one dare use a lube on the bulb/pivot contact point? Beacon top seems to sit level. Thanks as always, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35163	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re: The new look at Yahoo

Stump, 04 started the breed - buy it for style... You think the internet would be as easy to use as an automobile... Days and konfuzed Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Stumpy Stone [mailto:mrstumpy@...] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 7:54 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The new look at Yahoo I'm less than impressed with the changes. Nothing fits my screen anymore, I have to waste time figuring out how to get around, and who knows what they've done to Chat? I'll probably be late getting on tonight while I re-figure it out! I guess these clowns haven't figured out that we're not all computer geeks! This is just a tool. If I want style I'll go buy an '05 Mustang! Stumpy Stone...lost and confused in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35164	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re: Static Beacon - Lipstick on a pig?

Contact Doug Peck. If you buy both his bulb and beacon, he guarantees that it will revolve. I have and it works. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/29/2005 3:16:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, scottdee25@... writes: What is the secret to a successful REVOLVING Aircraft Beacon? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35165	From: Bruce	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Austin, TX

I'll be in Austin, TX, April 17-22 for a conference. Are there any hobby shops worth visiting? I can't find much on the internet. Any other train related attractions? They have a steam engine, but it's disassembled for repairs. They had to cast a new steam chest. They figure it's the first new cast steam chest in 50 years. Anyway, thanks for any help. - Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35166	From: northline@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Re:

All Northern Pacific. 5 are new in the box, 1 of each has had the windows replaced with frosted material (cut to match the original)instead of the original white with figures. (original sheet in box) and lighting has been replaced with an AM lighting board. They are otherwise like new. $70 each shipped, or $460 for all 7. eric -------------- Original message -------------- In a message dated 03/29/2005 10:52:27 AM Mountain Standard Time, northline@... writes: All I really have left is the Lionel Flyer Passenger cars. 3 each domes and Coaches and 1 diner. $70 each Shipped to USA48. I also have the What road name(s) Eric? Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35167	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/29/2005
Subject: Electrical Question

Greetings and thanks to all for the information. Will be heading into town on Thursday and will gather the needed information. Again, thanks and best wishes! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35168	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Coupler question

Dear list: I know this subject has been discussed, but now I am asking on a "need to know basis." Recently acquired five AM UP Bud passenger cars with Flyer compatible couplers. Want to switch to scale. My minimum radius will be 27". Any recommendations as to the best coupler to use? In the fullness of time, I will be converting all my cars, passenger and freight, to the same couplers. Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35169	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Coupler question

----- Original Message ----- > Recently acquired five AM UP Bud passenger cars with Flyer compatible > couplers. Want to switch to scale. My minimum radius will be 27". Any > recommendations as to the best coupler to use? > Roy Inman ROY: All I can do is relate my experience. My SF and Penn AM Budd cars are all outfitted with Kadee 802's. While most radii on the layout are in the 36" to 38" range, I've got one 26" heading from a turnout onto the branch track where the Budds look really cool "snaking" into that storage area. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff > > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to > reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail > software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you > on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, > view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35170	From: conehammer	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers

I've searched this group's messages for information on quartering A-F steam engine drivers but have not found any; perhaps it's under another title. What I need is the axle to axle spacing and quartering detent radius and dimensions for 0-x-0 and n-x-n driver configurations if someone has it. I'm sure I can determine most of it but it would be easier if documented. I don't care to use the 'eyeball' alignment method. I will set up one of my mills to make the tool. I am aware that ready made tools exist but I don't wish to spend $300 when I can make my own tool. I'll thank you in advance for your help. Jerry Carducci

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35171	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: S structures

Dear lists: Don't know if this manufacturer has been mentioned on the S lists, so please forgive the duplicate posting, as I have not noticed it appearing here: GC Laser in Genoa City, WI, makes a very handsome line of kits, primarily HO and N scale. But it might be of interest to us because (1) he is producing an S-scale Livestock Auction House; I have seen the HO version, and it is super. (2) According to the folks at Destination Hobbies in Libertyville, IL (Chicagoland), where I saw the Auction House, GC will produce any of their kits in S. I don't know if a minimum number beyond one has to be reached. Some of the other structures in the brochure: Milwaukee Road Depot, Icing Platform, Freight Depot, Switch tower, Lou's Drive-In (curbside service), lumber warehouse. There were a number of others. Web site for GC is www.gclaserinnovations.com; email is gcli@... Stuff is not cheap, but I can tell you the quality is first-rate. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35172	From: trainman634	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: K-Line Porter Switcher

How much out of scale is the new K-Line Porter switcher? Will it look bad with American Flyer freight cars behind it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35173	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line Porter switcher

While I can't answer your question, nor can anyone outside K-Line I suspect, I can give you a perspective. K-Line's Plymouth switcher is small for O scale, which it was released as originally. It appears they have just regauged the power truck to S gauge. The same body used in two scales. I suspect they'll do the same thing with the Porter. They show it in both O and S gauge in the catalog, but it's most likely the same engine regauged. Now before you go banannas, that's not necessarily bad. Porter made locomotives in a number of sizes, generally rated by weight. The O gauge Porter could be a 10 ton loco, while the S gauge version could be a 15 ton engine, therefore explaining how one loco could represent two scales. I want one either way. Stumpy Stone...small engine enthusiast in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35174	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: How famous is Stumpy?

Here is a post from another list about our buddy Stumpy. lol Stumpy, I coulda sent you a letter, personally, but I thought your fellow-muddlers would like to know how famous you are! I was doing some "research" (Zzzz . . .)in El Dorado County logging history, and right next to the town of Pino Grande I found Stumpy Meadow Reservoir. That's in the neighborhood of the Diamond and Caldor and the Camino, Placerville and Tahoe RRs. I have changed the name of my own RR to "Camino, Rubicon, Amador & Placerville RR", and let's never mind the acronym. JR Maybe a new micro layout has been born, Stumpy Meadow Reservoir RR during construction of the reservoir in 'S'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35175	From: roy inman	Date: 3/30/2005
Subject: Ob car antenna

Dear lists, Have a UP OB car to which I would like to add the prototypical antenna that runs almost the entire length. Is there a ready-made one, or am I going to have to build one from scratch? I have checked my older copy of the Scenery Unlimited catalog, but to no avail. Suggestions, advice appreciated. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35176	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Franklin bashing

I have a question for you Flyer (gasp) bashers. Since I'm tending more to the "prototypical" look, and I've never really liked the funky look of the Franklin engine, I was wondering if any you know how hard it would be to convert Frankie into a mogul (4-6-0)? Is there something in the way of adding a third driver set that would make this impractical? IMHO, this would go a long way to making this engine have a more prototypical look. Darrell S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35177	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2623

Dear <unknown> living in <unknown>: Based on my experience, a Porter is a little tiny thing. An American Flyer boxcar will tower over it and remember, the AF boxcar is a small car. The Porter should be about 15 feet in length. The prototypes hauled between one and three cars. They only had hand brakes so would you want any more? Fascinating history dept: During WWII, Jeeps were modified by the U.S. Army with RR wheels to provide power for the railroads in the Philippines. The war had destroyed all of the steamers. They were assigned one box car per Jeep for safety. The working breaks were on the Jeep. A Jeep could get more rolling but how do you stop? Porter also became a division of one of the big three: Lima, Baldwin, and Alco. My memory is poor here but I think it was Baldwin. My source for this paragraph is the introduction to Porter / Davenport section of the Second Diesel Spotter's Guide. Porters did come a variety of sizes but they all had one thing in common. They were tiny. We will have to wait and see what K-Line does. (I noticed the side rods are wrong in the catalog. As shown, the wheels can not rotate.) No, I do not have one on order. My layout is much too modern. I do have one of the MILW Plymouths. Thorin Milwaukee, WI ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:39:05 -0000 From: "trainman634" <wes6464@...> Subject: K-Line Porter Switcher How much out of scale is the new K-Line Porter switcher? Will it look bad with American Flyer freight cars behind it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35178	From: doug_cnw	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: 25071 Tie Car

Is there a special track or tripping attachment that is used for the 25071 Tie Car to cause it to eject the ties? Is there a number?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35179	From: N Becker	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: 973 Milk Car Repair

Is there a way to repair the power "pick up" truck? The truck has come apart and one bolster has fallen off. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35180	From: roy inman	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Thanks for suggestions...

Thanks to all who replied to my request for suggestions on obtaining an antenna for my UP OB car. Looks as though it will have to be from scratch. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35181	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin bashing

I painted mine black & changed the wheels to reg. engine wheels & changed the stack & found a Marx tender shell to fit. Only thing I cant find to finish it is a different "Cowcatcher" Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35182	From: John Foley	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] S structures

Hi Roy I spoke to the folks at GC Laser and told them how the NASG promotions committee can help to promote thier products. Like you note below they will be doing the the Auction House in S . If that does okay they will do other kits. Here also is anothe company that is doing S structure kits, two depots and a section house. Rags to Riches http://www.raggstoriches.biz/ John Foley NASG Promotions > > Dear lists: > Don't know if this manufacturer has been mentioned on the S lists, so please > forgive the duplicate posting, as I have not noticed it appearing here: > GC Laser in Genoa City, WI, makes a very handsome line of kits, primarily HO > and N scale. But it might be of interest to us because (1) he is producing > an S-scale Livestock Auction House; I have seen the HO version, and it is > super. (2) According to the folks at Destination Hobbies in Libertyville, IL > (Chicagoland), where I saw the Auction House, GC will produce any of their > kits in S. I don't know if a minimum number beyond one has to be reached. > Some of the other structures in the brochure: Milwaukee Road Depot, Icing > Platform, Freight Depot, Switch tower, Lou's Drive-In (curbside service), > lumber warehouse. There were a number of others. > Web site for GC is www.gclaserinnovations.com; email is > gcli@... > Stuff is not cheap, but I can tell you the quality is first-rate. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35183	From: David Engle	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] S structures

While I join you in welcoming these new laser sources, I have one question for them and any others--how long a table do they have, or more specifically, how long a piece can they process on their machine. DJE -----Original Message----- From: John Foley [mailto:mr-s1@...] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:35 PM To: roy inman; S-scale; S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale Modeling] S structures Hi Roy I spoke to the folks at GC Laser and told them how the NASG promotions committee can help to promote thier products. Like you note below they will be doing the the Auction House in S . If that does okay they will do other kits. Here also is anothe company that is doing S structure kits, two depots and a section house. Rags to Riches http://www.raggstoriches.biz/ John Foley NASG Promotions > > Dear lists: > Don't know if this manufacturer has been mentioned on the S lists, so please > forgive the duplicate posting, as I have not noticed it appearing here: > GC Laser in Genoa City, WI, makes a very handsome line of kits, primarily HO > and N scale. But it might be of interest to us because (1) he is producing > an S-scale Livestock Auction House; I have seen the HO version, and it is > super. (2) According to the folks at Destination Hobbies in Libertyville, IL > (Chicagoland), where I saw the Auction House, GC will produce any of their > kits in S. I don't know if a minimum number beyond one has to be reached. > Some of the other structures in the brochure: Milwaukee Road Depot, Icing > Platform, Freight Depot, Switch tower, Lou's Drive-In (curbside service), > lumber warehouse. There were a number of others. > Web site for GC is www.gclaserinnovations.com; email is > gcli@... > Stuff is not cheap, but I can tell you the quality is first-rate. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35184	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers

Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers: Jerry Carducci The early Flyer drivers were quarter at 90 degrees. later model are at 87 degrees for better performance. prototype engines are at 90 degrees, with the Steam cylinders pushing the rods then the wheels, toy trains the driving axle works the hole works. Flyer's quartering tool set all wheels at one time and you can find them at shows for under $100, Wheel cups work fine if you have a press. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35185	From: Phil K	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Comet PB unit

I know there are reproductions of the "rare" 467 Comet PB unit in circulation. How could a person tell whether a 467 is a Ken Hein(?) or other repro or is ACG factory authentic? Seems I once heard one of them was missing a stripe at the top, or something like that. Is the Rocket PB unit also as scarce? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35186	From: Phil K	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Last call for K-Line poll

I will be closing down the K-Line poll this Sunday evening sometime after 9 PM CDST and will tabulate the results for posting here next week. Thanks to all who have participated, and if you still haven't voted, click the link or copy and paste into the address line on your browser: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1676263 Vote for one of the first two questions and any others that are applicable. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35187	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

903 UP bi level autorack - 1-05 http://mopac1.tripod.com/903.gif 904 BNSF 3 bay covered hopper - 3-05 http://mopac1.tripod.com/904.gif 905 CP bi level autorack - 7-2000 http://mopac1.tripod.com/905.gif 906 CP bi level autorack - 11-98 http://mopac1.tripod.com/906.gif If anyone from AOL is reading this, please tell me off list that you got this, as AOL thinks my decal anounments are spam. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35188	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Coupler question

Roy Inman asks; On AM UP Bud passenger cars, any recommendations as to the best coupler to use? Roy, I use Kadee #46, body mounted, for the AM Budd cars with the mounting block AM has for them. I believe you can get pretty close to Flyer radius using the #46. I remember setting the Budds on my Xmas layout and was surprised that they could go around the Flyer curve. The #46 is the long shank version of the #5 and will maintain the close coupling of the Budds. I have a collection of the Kadee 40 series (#41-#49) couplers because not all cars take the same coupler. The #5 is actually the #48. Hope this is of some use, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35189	From: John Foley	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] S structures

Hi I guiess that's something you would need to ask the manufacturers. John > > While I join you in welcoming these new laser sources, I have one question > for them and any others--how long a table do they have, or more > specifically, how long a piece can they process on their machine. DJE > >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35190	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: 25071 Tie Car

Doug, There is a special track trip that is available as a reproduction from any of the fine S suppliers on this list. It will fit the old track and Pikemaster track. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35191	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers

This is a subject I'm ignorant about - and - I have some locos to work on in the future. I ABSOLUTELY understand that, in real (steam) life, exact quartering is crucial, because it is actually involved in the production of power. However, in the case of electric toys (or scale) where power from an external source is applied directly to ONE axle, and EVERYTHING else is (rod-driven) "for show". Lets begin with everything disassembled. Then apply wheels, and rods, to one side. You can't go wrong there, as the parts only go one way. Naturally eccentrics must be attached so that they do not bind or go "over-center". Now, turning it over and starting on the second side, is where my question begins. Clearly, you 'set the tune' with the first wheel (presumably you start with driven axle?) that you press on, as everything else on the second side must "key" on that. My question is (since proper valve timing is NOT an issue), other than the fact that ALL items on the second side MUST be aligned with respect TO EACH OTHER, MUST they also have any particular relationship to the opposite side? And, if so, why? Is it a balance and/or vibration issue? IF you must offset opposite wheels on the same axle, by a fixed amount, how close do you have to be to 90 degrees? How do you handle the fact that, with wear on the parts, the rods may fit even if adjacent wheels on the same side are a spline or two out of sync? I haven't counted splines, but I'm guessing one spline off could mean about 5 degrees off? I assume that as a check, one should turn the armature slowly by hand to be sure there are no tight spots, BEFORE applying power? Thanks in advance for any help. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35192	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Tender truck

Hi gang, I decided to put my AF engines on a maintenance schedule so none of them get overlooked. I started with a 290 tender. While I was cleaning the front truck I noticed that it has a slot for an action car bar and clip on the other side. It's a one-piece tin truck with the tongue for the drawbar. Why would it have the slots? Maybe I should use it for my 290 boiler with wire handrails : ) Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35193	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: SETS LEFT

I have 2 sets left if there is any interest MP    + B unit + 1 car         $600 +$30 shipping &INS NP  Full set + B unit + 2 cars $800 + $35 shipping+ INS These are all brand new & mint in the box The Pony may still have the plastic wrap & the box it came in PLEASE contact me off list ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35194	From: NASG Library	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: NASG CNR Pullman car remediation

All -- The NASG is aware that the shade of green that was used on the CNR Pullmans is incorrect. Accordingly, the NASG is making arrangements for a free "remediation kit" for these cars. The kit, one or more of which will be sent to every CNR customer on record (one kit per car per customer), will contain the following: 1. Bottle of Scalecoat CNR SIG Green #11 2. Set of decals for letterboard lettering and car-side striping 3. Instructions for masking and decal placement 4. Partial rebate coupon for people who want to use a custom-painting service instead of painting their own cars The decal lettering and stripes will be the correct "mustard" color. The lettering will have the thin black border around each letter. The stripes that border the green band will have the correct black pinstripes adjacent to the yellow. We are currently in the process of identifying custom-painting services in the US and Canada that would participate in the rebate program with the NASG. The dollar amount of the rebate has not yet been determined. The decals are being manufactures at present. We still have 28 unsold CNR cars. We are withdrawing these from sale until we can enclose a remediation kit with each car. I would like to publicly thank Andy Malette for his continuing assistance in this project -- for furnishing a CNR color chip, identifying the correct shade of paint, and arranging for decal production. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35195	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Porters working today

Howdy Colleagues, This thread started on the S-Trains list, although the subject is really prototype stuff. I like it. Last summer, I visited the Hawaiian Islands for the first time in my many years. While there, I rode the Lahaina, Kaanapali and Pacific Rail Road (now a subsidiary of rail America). The railroad is a tourist line that uses the nickname "The Sugar Cane Train." They are running two Porter steamers that are fairly good sized. I have pictures of them on my personal web site at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/. Look in the section on Modern Steam: Maui for a few pictures. I plan to add some text when I have some spare time. Enjoy, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35196	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 25071 Tie Car

Doug, I goofed on that reproduction track trip fitting the old track, as Ed did write me below with a correction. So, I am passing this along, as I don't want to pass out bad information. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Eckert" <ejenterp@...> To: "'mlmarmer'" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 25071 Tie Car Hi Mike: There are two different trips for the mechanical operating cars. The repro that you are talking about is for the Standard AF track. This does not fit the pikemaster track. That clip is an entirely different animal and is not available as a reproduction. I operate with Pikemaster track on the portable board and also All Aboard sets. I have some of the trips as well as the repro. Ed -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; doug_cnw Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 25071 Tie Car Doug, There is a special track trip that is available as a reproduction from any of the fine S suppliers on this list. It will fit the old track and Pikemaster track. Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35197	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin bashing

I have received three resopnses so far about bashing the Franklin. Thanks, guys. Perhaps I should explain my thinking further. My idea is to make a standard gauge engine of approximately 1885 vintage. I know that the Franklin was designed to represent a narrow gauge engine in O scale, but I think that with some modifications it could look OK in S. My thinking is to add a third set of drivers, converting the engine to a 4-6-0. This would also involve cutting off the bottom of the too-tall cab. I don't know yet (since I don't have one) whether the cab will need to be moved back or not, but I think there is plenty of room to fit the new drivers below the cab. What I don't know, and am hoping someone familiar with the mechanism can tell me, is whether it is even feasible to do what I am suggesting. I know I am capable of altering the existing frame, but is the motor in the way of where the drivers would go? One of you suggested using a 4-6-2 mechanism and leaving off the rear truck, and putting it under one of Flyer's other engine bodies. Now I have nothing against that idea, except that I'm trying for that 1885 look, not 1930. Perhaps if someone who has worked on one of these mechanisms could get in touch with me I could get my questions answered? Thanks again Darrell S --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Darrell Smith" <devansmith@u...> wrote: > > > I have a question for you Flyer (gasp) bashers. Since I'm tending more > to the "prototypical" look, and I've never really liked the funky look > of the Franklin engine, I was wondering if any you know how hard it > would be to convert Frankie into a mogul (4-6-0)? Is there something > in the way of adding a third driver set that would make this > impractical? IMHO, this would go a long way to making this engine have > a more prototypical look. > > Darrell S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35198	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/31/2005
Subject: Electrical Question

Greetings! Radio Shack provided 2 different flashing bulbs to create the overhead stop signal. A red LED(276036), 5volts DC, 20mA, 4.0mcd. A red flashing lamp(2721097),12 volts(AC or DC not specified), 95mA. I am powering the layout lights with a 1 1/2 B Flyer transformer, on the variable side. It puts out about13 volts at maximun, if I am reading a borrowed meter correctly. While we don't run the lights at this voltage, the Grandchildren do run the trains and the transformer may need to change so would like to plan on this or a higher voltage. Size wise, the LED is very workable. The flashing lamp is looks like a Christmas Tree light and would be more challenging to create a signal. Hope this enough information to allow a plan to develop. Again, my thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35199	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

The April list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Thanks to all of you who expressed concern about my health. The good news is NO CANCER! The bad news is now we don't know what is causing all the pain - back to the drawing board! More good news is that sceaming, manhatten's (several), and toy trains seem to help. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35200	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: #961 Jefferson in satin finish

My 1954 Gilbert catalog says the K5351W Pacemaker Steam Passenger train has the satin finish passenger cars, but the TM Guide says it was the chrome finish, and Tufts "Almost Complete Guide ..." says it has green stripe cars. Does anyone know what Gilbert actually sold? Did Gilbert ever make a #961 Jefferson in satin finish? It isn't listed in the TM Guide but someone told me it is in Greenberg's. My 1954 catalog includes it in the controversial Pacemaker set. Thanks. Bob, on the computer downstairs from The Upstairs Train __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35201	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin bashing

Thanks again for two more responses. As regards the aesthetics of such a bash, I agree that this bash would be questionable. I think it would still look a lot better than the origional configuration, if it would work. Thanks to Keith for the final answer. Simply put, the motor is in the way of adding another set of drivers. It can't be done. My "cheap-and-dirty" 1885 engine will have to come from another avenue. Thanks for the help guys. Darrell S --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Darrell Smith" <devansmith@u...> wrote: > > > I have received three resopnses so far about bashing the Franklin. > Thanks, guys. Perhaps I should explain my thinking further. > > My idea is to make a standard gauge engine of approximately 1885 > vintage. > What I > don't know, and am hoping someone familiar with the mechanism can > tell > me, is whether it is even feasible to do what I am suggesting> > Thanks again > > Darrell S >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35202	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers

--- RAHosmer@... wrote: > However, in the case of electric toys (or scale) where power from an > external source is applied directly to ONE axle, and EVERYTHING else is (rod-driven)"for show". The front drivers actually do participate in driving and aren't merely for show. > My question is (since proper valve timing is NOT an issue), ... MUST they also have any particular relationship to the opposite side? And, if so, why? Is it a balance and/or vibration issue? It is a mechanical issue. Let's say both side rods were at exactly the same spot on the right and left, which would be like operating the engine with no side rods on one side. When the rear driver rotates it's stud to the forward-most position, the only force on the rod will be down and this will not be transferred to the front driver. The rod would merely pivot on the front driver's stud, and no force will be applied to the front drivers to make them continue to rotate. In the case of a three wheel arrangement, the rod would pivot on the middle driver and actually cause the front driver to turn backwards! If the engine is going very slowly this could cause the engine to seize when the rear driver rotated down far enough to start pulling back on the rod while the front driver's stud is not past the front-most part of the wheel. When the engine is properly quartered at 90 degrees, while one side is in a downward or upward stroke the other side is pushing forward or pulling backward to keep the front drivers evenly powered and turning in the right direction. > IF you must offset opposite wheels on the same axle, by a fixed > amount, how close do you have to be to 90 degrees? As close as you can, although I don't think that the spline alignment will allow exactly 90 degrees. > How do you handle the fact that, with wear on the parts, the rods > may fit even if adjacent wheels on the same side are a spline or two > out of sync? I haven't counted splines, but I'm guessing one spline > off could mean about 5 degrees off? You should try to get all the wheels on a side exactly aligned with each other. 5 degrees (or whatever it is,) is too far off. > I assume that as a check, one should turn the armature slowly by hand > to be sure there are no tight spots, BEFORE applying power? Yes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35204	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: America Flyer Engine - Tyco Transformer question

Gentlemen - Ladies: I have built a table for a "Pizza" layout. It is a Pickle Barrel Top upon an old dinning room table leg. I want to use an American Flyer docksider and was wondering if it would be possible to use a ( cough - cough) HO transformer witout damaging the docksider. Does anyone have any ideas about long and short term effects of this arrangement? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35205	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing

About 20 to 25 years ago there was an article in the S-Gaugian magazine on how to take parts from 2 Franklins and make one 4-6-0. I still have it in my files somewhere. I gathered up the parts to try it, but never got " a round tuit". paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35206	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: NEW HUDSON.......

Just heard form an un reliable source!!!!!!!! One of the Big Boys..... L ...... Will have for sale by Oct a Scale Hudson, Another 0-8-0, and a Big Boy IN "S" Scale..... along with scale track, many new cars and accessories..... Buildings, etc. seems they want to beat the others out of thier attempts a new "S".... Prices are very reasonable... the Big Boy is only 499.95 with 5 Heavy Weight pass cars....... More info below....... Bob APRIL FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35207	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Docksider

Received my Lionel Sante Fe Docksider from Jake today. What a cute little bugger. Runs like a charm with that can motor. Pulled 8 cars without a problem, could have pulled more. Smoke was great. Better than the original. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh! Just a figment of my imagination while waiting for it's scheduled arrival. APRIL FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35208	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: NEW HUDSON.......

I know April fool's day is a lot of fun, but if this is an April Fool's joke, which I suspect, it is much too cruel!!!!!!! gary On 4/1/05 12:44 PM, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote: > > > Just heard form an un reliable source!!!!!!!! > One of the Big Boys..... L ...... Will have for sale by Oct a Scale Hudson, > Another 0-8-0, and a Big Boy IN "S" Scale..... along with scale track, many > new cars and accessories..... Buildings, etc. seems they want to beat the > others out of thier attempts a new "S".... Prices are very reasonable... the > Big Boy is only 499.95 with 5 Heavy Weight pass cars....... More info > below....... Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APRIL FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35209	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing

This principle should work because I used it to make a 4-8-2 from a 4-6-2. Add a pair of drivers with partial frame behind the existing ones. The add-on should be the part of a chassis that has the motor and worm gear attached. Then extend the body and side rods as required. The engine I built is at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/projects/482.htm Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "paflyrman" <4567@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Franklin Bashing > > > > About 20 to 25 years ago there was an article in the S-Gaugian > magazine on how to take parts from 2 Franklins and make one 4-6-0. I > still have it in my files somewhere. I gathered up the parts to try > it, but never got " a round tuit". > > paflyrman > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35210	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: #961 Jefferson in satin finish

Bob, there was a typo in Bob Tuft's book, the G should be a C. 53 should be chrome. Satin with green stripes came in 54 & 55. The 326 that came that year with the chrome cars had cloth wiring also. The set that just sold on ebay had a later 326 with plastic coated wires, probably a 1956 version. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35211	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Subject: Quartering American Flyer drivers

Here is why it is called quartering, All steam engines ( except those of the Pennsylvania Railroad ) are set with the lead side on the engineers side, Yes that side is leading the other side by one quarter turn of the wheel , or 90 degrees, thats why it is called quartering, this works because there is 1 cylinder on either side of the engine and one of them is always on a power stroke, ( steam engines have no coasting strokes as in a four stroke automobile engine ) so there four power strokes or exhaust for each revelolution of the wheels , now as for the A.F. engines yes you can try to do this by eye, more like trial & error & mostly error but a Gilbert svc.station quartering tool or simular tool is really the best way to quarter these engines. Ron Leventon & Doug Peck sell these tools amomg others , if you plan on working on steam engines buying these will pay off in the long run, Once the engines are quartered the rest of the puzzle ( rods & valve gear ) will just about fall in to place. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35212	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 3, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35213	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing

Is that the article in the Nov/Dec S-Gaugian titled "The Ten Wheeler Gilbert Never Made" ? Where can I get a copy? Darrell S --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <4567@c...> wrote: > > > About 20 to 25 years ago there was an article in the S-Gaugian > magazine on how to take parts from 2 Franklins and make one 4-6-0. I > still have it in my files somewhere. I gathered up the parts to try > it, but never got " a round tuit". > > paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35214	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/1/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Bashing

I kept just the one page of this article from the mag and discarded the rest in an effort to reduce the volume of junk in the basement so I don't know for sure what year it appeared. It was titled "Make a ten Wheeler", by Jason Krauss. It has diagrams of how to cut the pieces as well as a list of what is needed, plus a picture of one already done. I always thought it was neat. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35215	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: NOT TOY train related--BMW vs. Freight Train

Close to my neck-o-the-woods. Luckily no one was hurt!! http://www.ksby.com/home/headlines/1417767.html Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35216	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: Re; NOT TOY related-BMW vs train

Y'all...this just goes to prove it's much too easy to get a driver's license in this country. Where would a guy get stuck in gravel close enough to the tracks to get hit? How could he be inside the crossing gates? Simple..he was turning around on the track's ballast! Was he distracted by his girlfriend? Hmmmmm....ya think? This sounds like a prototype for the never produced version of the American Flyer Cow On Track Accessory...the Car On Track! (No moron equipped 1990 BMWs were availible at the time, so the accessory was not produced.) Also cancelled were the Gasoline Tank Truck On Track, Sherman Tank On Track, Atomic Bomb On Track, and other more tastless variations. Flyer was further stimied by the loss of product tester Gomez Adams to Lionel. Stumpy Stone...still April foolin' a day late.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35217	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: Flyer Set Boxes

I am going through my empty set boxes to take some of them to yorkand I have 2 questions. I have set box number 40 that has another stamp on it.It looks like a large C with SA in the middle of it.Does anyone know what this means. I also have set box stamped 4611-A plus UC stamped on it.The demensions and other markings match set box 4611. Box is a Star number B1050.Which set would be correct. I have Tuffs book no help. Thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35218	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: I want a loco like this !

http://s-scale.org/albums/albup60/IMG07 It can have an oil OR coal tender. The narrow-gauge in MY area had some 4-6-0's and some 2-8-0's. I'm NO kit-basher, so that is out of the question. A loco like this would look great with my On30 converted rolling stock, and my American Models wooden caboose. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35219	From: roy inman	Date: 4/2/2005
Subject: Help!

Hoping someone can help jog my cantankerous old memory. I seem to recall an article in one of the train magazines (maybe S-Gaugian?) detailing how a guy super-detailed his AM passenger car. One of the things he added was a roof-top antenna, which is one of the things I have been wanting to add to my AM UP fluted side OB car-which I now find out from the UP HS is a fantasy: The UP never had fluted side OB cars, but I am pressing ahead in any event. Any idea what magazine and what issue? Thanks for reading :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35220	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Help!

Dear Roy, Vic Roseman did an article that appeared in Rail Model Craftsman a few years ago on detailing American Models passenger cars. I do not remember if it was the full length lightweight (GN series) or heavyweight cars. Don PS Vic goes under V.S. Roseman when he does article. It would be worth the search on the Model Railroad Magazine search engine. roy inman wrote: >Hoping someone can help jog my cantankerous old memory. >I seem to recall an article in one of the train magazines (maybe S-Gaugian?) >detailing how a guy super-detailed his AM passenger car. One of the things >he added was a roof-top antenna, which is one of the things I have been >wanting to add to my AM UP fluted side OB car-which I now find out from the >UP HS is a fantasy: The UP never had fluted side OB cars, but I am pressing >ahead in any event. >Any idea what magazine and what issue? >Thanks for reading :) >Roy Inman > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35221	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re;Help

I don't know about the magazine article, but I have an idea, IF the observation car antenna was similar to the type used on the Pennsylvania railroad. This type looked like a handrail running along the top of the loco or car. For stantions you could use either O scale steam loco boiler handrail stantions or very small cotter pins as stantions, then a use length of fine wire through them for the actual antenna. Stumpy Stone...qualified to do anything with nothing...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35222	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Help!

Oops! Rail Model Journal. Don Don Thompson wrote: >Dear Roy, > Vic Roseman did an article that appeared in Rail Model Craftsman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35223	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2626

Subject: Flyer Set Boxes I am going through my empty set boxes to take some of them to yorkand I have 2 questions. I have set box number 40 that has another stamp on it.It looks like a large C with SA in the middle of it.Does anyone know what this means. I also have set box stamped 4611-A plus UC stamped on it.The dimensions and other markings match set box 4611. Box is a Star number B1050.Which set would be correct. I have Tuffs book no help. Thanks Bob Persing BOB: I have a set box with the large C with SA in the middle stamped in the train set no. oval. Also stamped above the C-SA it is stamped # 190 Advertising I believe it is a uncataloged set from 1955, it contains a cardboard over and under trestle, # 307 loco.,# 923 refer, # 941 gon, & # 938 caboose, track & transformer. Check S gaugian nov/dec, 1985 pg 29. Similar sets. Jerry 77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35224	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2626 (Set Box markings)

CSA should be Canadian Standards Association, similar to UL laboratories in US. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35225	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: BLATANT eBay ad

Looking for a load for a flatcar,...or whatever,..check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5967406944 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35226	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: S-Trains membership is up!!

WoW!! Just went to the site, I don't much, usually just to check our numbers,.... ....and, {insert drum-roll here}...we now have 1131 list members!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35227	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 3, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35228	From: conehammer	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Quartering drivers- continued

So far I've gotten a whole bunch of replies to my question on quartering and I appreciate them all. The offset relationship angle has been quoted being between 90 to 87.5 degrees. Will that spread make that much difference? What is the tolerance? One of you already said 5 degrees off is too much. The splines that the axles cut into the driver cores are going to prevent much beyond a certain tolerance. Seems to me one can't just ignore this and force the axle into the core to cut new splines or it will damage the core's grip surface if done often enough. I'm going to shoot for making a tool that will set the angle to 89 degrees. If the tool keeps the wheels at the correct relationship I see no reason why I need to do 3 or 4 at once. I'm sure the ACG folks needed to do 3 or 4 at once to keep a reasonable production going but I don't. If I set 3 wheels individually at precisely 89 degrees left to right then they have to work together...and a solo tool is going to be way easier to make. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35229	From: clifma19	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: repair question

I bought a 21158 two weeks ago. I dooes not run well because the wheels (axels I think) are very loose. They bind periodicly. Recommendations on repair would be appreciated. Cliff Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35230	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- continued

This has been fascinating to me as well, and I thank everybody for their input. However, I STILL cannot grasp the concept, on a model having a constant external rotational force applied to an axle, of having to have ANY sort of balance from side to side, so long as all of the wheels on each side are properly linked up. The two wheels on the driven axle are GOING to revolve, no matter what, AND they are going to "drag" their respectively linked wheels with them, subject only to the wear on the rods and attachment screws. The eccentrics are going to shuttle back and forth, and do their thing pumping the crosshead, assuming that each side is installed so that nothing binds. In other words, if ALL wheels on the right side had their screws at 6 o'clock, then ALL of the screws on the left side could be at anything you wanted, say 4 o'clock, so long as they were ALL the same, on each side. Conversely. I ABSOLUTELY DO understand that, in prototype, where the power source/application is COMPLETELY reversed (I really hesitate to say 180°) from the model, that it ABSOLUTELY WOULD make a GREAT deal of difference how the wheels were related to each other, and I CAN see where there could be a kickback, or a lockup, if they were "out of phase". I guess I must be wrong, but, so far, no one has been able to put it into words that make sense to me. Please, don't give up trying - I REALLY do want to understand!!! Thanks a lot! Dense Dick ps: is that Conehammer as in Broomhandle?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35231	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: S. Falls

Heading towards Sioux Falls, SD in about a week. Will have some spare time. Anyone know of any shops in the area w/s-gauge equipment, scenery, etc.? Thanks Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35232	From: conehammer	Date: 4/3/2005
Subject: Lettering and road names- choice of techniques?

Over the months I've seen that Portlines carries a plethora of stamps and dry transfers to allow restoration of loco numbers, names and insignia. Which is best in terms of replicating the originals? As some of mine were lightly silvery and some white I would think the stamps would be best. What say you? Thanks. Jerry Carducci

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35233	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- BLATANT ADV

Regarding the recent quartering tool discussion, I didn't plan to announce this until we had them in hand, but we currently have in production REproductions of the original Gilbert 6-wheel quartering tool. This is a very simple tool to use, inserted in a vise. It is not the complex quartering tool that has been available from various sources (including us) in the recent past; those tools are out of production at this time, I believe. I hope to have these available within 4-8 weeks. Depending upon response, we MAY follow up with Northern and 0-8-0 tools later, although I do not have an original Gilbert tool for these. While I'm at it....a couple of other new items we now have available---- the large green gear that operates the Cow-on-Track; the blue operating boxcar man, and the white milkman; corner skirts for the streamline passenger cars (in sets of 4); and corner skirts for the EP-5 NH Electric (in pairs). Coming soon: the tiny axle gear for the handcars that so frequently gets chewed up; replacement knobs for the deadman transformers; front KC tender trucks with the drawbar tang attached; All-Aboard panel STOP signs. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35234	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- continued

--- conehammer <conehammer@...> wrote: > What is the tolerance? One of you already said 5 > degrees off is too much. Clarifying the 5 degrees as being too much; What I should have said was that being off by more than a spline is too much. If the splines for each end of an axle are not accurately aligned with each other it is unavoidable that the alignment will be off by as much as half a spline. There will be one position for the wheel which will be off by less than half a spline and that position should be used. When the wheel is pressed home it should find the right spot. It would be a good idea to base the quartering tool angle taking the spline angle into account. It may not be possible to achieve exactly 90 degrees, depending on what the angle is. Does anybody know how many splines there are? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35235	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers- continued

--- RAHosmer@... wrote: > The two wheels on the driven axle are GOING to revolve, no > matter what, AND they are going to "drag" their respectively > linked wheels with them... This is an incorrect assumption. They only "drag" their linked wheels when the stud is near the top or bottom of the rotation. When the stud is at the forward or the rear position, no downwards or upwards force is transferred to the other linked wheels at all. In the absence of any other force (such as momentum) being applied, the other wheels aren't going to turn and the linkage will go out of horizontal and jam. The other side is needed to do pushing and pulling on the front drivers to keep them turning, so the side rod on the first side remains horizontal when in a downward or upward stroke. Yes, a 4 and 6 o'clock example is probably close enough to 90 degrees to prevent this from happening, but the question was what does one side have to with each other and a better hypothetical would be to examine what would happen if both sides were aligned at either 0 or 180 degrees. The answer is that the linkage would jam at startup. So the objective is to get as far away from 0 and 180 as possible; 90 degrees! Or 270 ;) A simple test to confirm this is to take the side rod off one side of an engine and try stopping and starting it. You should eventually create a condition where lack of momentum and it's start position will keep the front driver from rotating far enough to be pulled properly by the rear driver and cause it to jam. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35236	From: wge300	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Pull-Mor wheels/tires

Hi, Great forum you have here, I'm glad to be aboard! I have an ACG Santa Fe PA A-B-A set. The motors seem to run fine but the engine has little traction. I would like to swap out the old pull-mor wheels. Do the new Flyonel wheels fit on the old ACG axils. Or, any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Bill wge300

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35237	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains

The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What is your reaction to the new K- Line steamers, yard engines and sets? CHOICES AND RESULTS - I think it will be great for the S gauge hobby, 108 votes, 29.83% - Don't like it at all, 8 votes, 2.21% - Would buy a Pacific steamer, 59 votes, 16.30% - Would buy a Porter, 48 votes, 13.26% - Would buy a Plymouth, 59 votes, 16.30% - Would buy a set for myself, 29 votes, 8.01% - Would buy a set for a kid as a gift, 51 votes, 14.09% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35238	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 4/4/2005
Subject: Fw: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

907 ATSF 60' boxcar Bx-210. (3-76) http://mopac1.tripod.com/907.gif 908 ATSF 60' boxcar Bx-179. (3-86) http://mopac1.tripod.com/908.gif 909 TRLX 3 bay covered hopper. (11-73) http://mopac1.tripod.com/909.gif 910 ATSF 60' boxcar Bx-185. (3-87) http://mopac1.tripod.com/910.gif 911 ATSF 60' boxcar Bx-210. (5-86) http://mopac1.tripod.com/911.gif 912 ATSF 50' black tank car TK-R. (8-74) http://mopac1.tripod.com/912.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - The Decal Machine - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35239	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: email address change

I have changed my email address to: diningcar@... Cindy & Hank Buehling The Dining Car Please visit our auctions http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=diningcar Cindy & Hank Buehling The Dining Car

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35240	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: Re: PM diesel wheels

The Flyonel wheels may fit your axles, but they will have a noticeably larger flange than your original wheels. They also feature only "rubber band" inserts, rather than a vulcanized tread. We have replacement vulcanized pullmor wheels to replace the originals, at $22 per pair. <<<Original Message: 4 I have an ACG Santa Fe PA A-B-A set. The motors seem to run fine but the engine has little traction. I would like to swap out the old pull-mor wheels. Do the new Flyonel wheels fit on the old ACG axils. Or, any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Bill wge300>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35241	From: donabrams@comcast.net	Date: 4/5/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering drivers -- continued

Just some things to consider before taking the plunge: When replacing all drivers on an engine one axle at a time or all 4, or 6, or 8 it won't matter if you go 87.5 or 90 degrees. Where the 'wrinkle' comes in is if you are just replacing say -- one or two bad ones on an engine. Problems present themselves if you are using a new core or a complete new driver vs. a 'used' driver which already has splines. If your tool is a 90 degree one and you use it to do a single wheel (or both wheels at once) on an axle, and you happen to have an engine where the others are 87.5 degrees -- you've got big trouble. It will bind so bad that the chassis won't roll once the side rods are put on. Been there -- had it happen to me. I don't know if it's true of all 5-digit steamers or not, but my 21145 was definitely 87.5. It wasn't at all obvious until I messed up because the driver diameter is so small. Take care everyone, Don Message: 7 Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:52:41 -0000 From: "conehammer" <conehammer@...> Subject: Quartering drivers- continued So far I've gotten a whole bunch of replies to my question on quartering and I appreciate them all. The offset relationship angle has been quoted being between 90 to 87.5 degrees. Will that spread make that much difference? What is the tolerance? One of you already said 5 degrees off is too much. The splines that the axles cut into the driver cores are going to prevent much beyond a certain tolerance. Seems to me one can't just ignore this and force the axle into the core to cut new splines or it will damage the core's grip surface if done often enough. I'm going to shoot for making a tool that will set the angle to 89 degrees. If the tool keeps the wheels at the correct relationship I see no reason why I need to do 3 or 4 at once. I'm sure the ACG folks needed to do 3 or 4 at once to keep a reasonable production going but I don't. If I set 3 wheels individually at precisely 89 degrees left to right then they have to work together...and a solo tool is going to be way easier to make. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35242	From: Reddington	Date: 4/6/2005
Subject: Palm Beach Story

Train Movie fans This movie Palm Beach Story is on TCM tonight. Good Pennsy scene mid way through the movie. Nice overall story. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35243	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2005
Subject: Train Show Sunday the 10th

The READING CO TECHNICAL & HISTORICAL SOCIETY's (RCTHS) Second Annual Spring Train Show is this Sunday in Leesport PA. While not a TCA affiliated show, I will have apps in my possession and will gladly register our younger friends for the TCA Kids Club, also. Considered by some to be an "HO" show, I know there will SHS, Lionel, American Flyer, Plasticville etc available at the show. Two of the highlights, co-chair (with Dale Miller as Chair) Chuck Race is planning to set up his "new" 12 panel ALL ABOARD layout. Also, PVMR's SHS layout is expected to make the trek to Leesport. READING RR fans would find a really nice assortment of RDG mdse available.. Time is 9 AM to 1 PM, Leesport Farmers Market, NORTH of Reading PA. On the north end of Leesport, turn right off of Rt 61North, follow to the market. Admission is $3.00, lots of free parking. Forgot to mention, local Boy Scouts provide good food. Jim (I'm leaving at 0445 to get there) Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35244	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 4/6/2005
Subject: Weird track

Greetings! I recently purchased a box of AF O gauge track. It is graded, mounted on fiberboard and has a fourth rail. The fourth rail is mounted between the outer ground rail in the inner power rail. The distance between the fourth rail and the inner ground rail is S guage. Does anyone know why AF made this track? Could it be transition track from O to S. Thanks! Best, Larry Schliessmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35245	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: Weird track - 4 rail

Larry, From your description, it appears that the track is American Flyer Manufacturing Co. ("Chicago" Flyer) O gauge track with an extra rail for the control of an air whistle. This track was made for a brief period in 1936. The whistle was activated with a control button connected to the constant voltage taps of the transformer and could be operated either when the train was in motion or at rest. This whistle was fitted in the Burlington Zephyr and Union Pacific "City of Denver" premium streamliners. This arrangement got around Lionel's DC offset air whistle patent, but it was not very practical for the obvious reason and was quickly discontinued. It has no direct relevance to S gauge. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/6/2005 10:27:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, schliess@... writes: Greetings! I recently purchased a box of AF O gauge track. It is graded, mounted on fiberboard and has a fourth rail. The fourth rail is mounted between the outer ground rail in the inner power rail. The distance between the fourth rail and the inner ground rail is S gauge. Does anyone know why AF made this track? Could it be transition track from O to S. Thanks! Best, Larry Schliessmann [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35246	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: Weird track

Yes it is A.F.track but not A.C.Gilbert , This was made by the Coleman Co. in Chicago the former maker of AF, This track was using the xtra rail to operate the tender mounted whistle that had a pick up shoe that rode on this rail, this system did not have any relay as the Lionel system , all it used was the xtra rail & a simple push button to activate it, this track was produced in the middle to late 30's just before Gilbert bought the A F name from Coleman.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35247	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Comet Colors

Anybody know what the best paint colors are to match the satin silver finish and the blue stripe on the Comet passenger cars? TIA, Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35248	From: fjg1870	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: York Itinerary?

Good Morning Group, Unless I missed it, has anyone (Barb?) setup a schedule for us getting together at York? Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35249	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: York Itinerary?

Hi Walt and All, I have indeed made arrangements for us all at York. I am waiting on one final piece of info regarding the Gilbert Get Together and then I will post all the info. Hope to have it all for you by Sunday afternoon. Stay tuned to this station for further details..... Barb fjg1870 wrote: > Good Morning Group, > > Unless I missed it, has anyone (Barb?) setup a schedule for us getting > together at York? > > Walt > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35250	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2005
Subject: Re: York Itinerary?

For what is worth, reportedly, the Golden Corral was auctioned to the walls and demolished several months ago. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35251	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: East Coast Hobby Show in Phiadelphia

S Helper Service (and the Showcase Line) will be displaying at the East Coast Hobby Show at the Expo Center in Fort Washington. We will operating the 2-8-0 (sans sound, smoke and light. But, I am told we will have fully operational engineering samples for York) on our display layout. If you are in the area, we will be looking forward to seeing you. As an added bonus the North Penn S club will have their modular layout set up for your enjoyment. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35252	From: John Foley	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: East Coast Hobby Show in Phiadelphia

hI fOLKS The NASG will be there also. Here is the website for farther information http://www.hobbyshow.com/exhibitor_registration.htm John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> To: "S Scale e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Showcaseline e-group" <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 04:26 Subject: [showcaseline] Re: East Coast Hobby Show in Phiadelphia > > S Helper Service (and the Showcase Line) will be displaying at the > East Coast Hobby Show at the Expo Center in Fort Washington. We will > operating the 2-8-0 (sans sound, smoke and light. But, I am told we > will have fully operational engineering samples for York) on our display > layout. If you are in the area, we will be looking forward to seeing you. > As an added bonus the North Penn S club will have their modular > layout set up for your enjoyment. > Best regards, > Don > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35253	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: York Arrangements

Hi All, The arrangements have been made for your participation should you so choose. They are as follows: 04/27 Wed. Dinner reservations have been made in my name at Alexander's at 6:30 PM. Alexander's is at 840 Carlisle Rd., York. 717-846-1041. If you have been going to the bandit meets during the early part of the week, you have probably passed it on your right on the way to the Reliance Fire hall. Carlisle is an exit off Rt. 30, West of I 83. 04/28 Thurs. There are no dinner reservations for this night as many of us will be helping to set up for the Gilbert Get Together or moving stuff from bandit meet locations to the fairgrounds. I might suggest the Round the Clock Dinner for a quick and yummy meal. Those of you ready, willing and able to assist in the set up of layouts and displays, are more than welcome. The location of the Gilbert Get Together has changed this year. It will be at the Days Inn at 222 Arsenal Rd. 717-843-9971. The Days Inn is located up the hill and behind the Four Points Sheraton where the Get Together has been held for the past 5 years. So the directions are very close to the same. If you are traveling East on Arsenal Rd. (RT. 30), turn left after the Round the Clock Diner (Just East of I 83). After making this left, there is a left turn behind the diner but before the Four Points Sheraton. The left turn will take you up the hill to the Days Inn. The Gilbert Get Together begins at 9:00 PM and is at the back of the Inn in the Bridgeton Center (formerly known as the White Rose Ballroom). The reasons for this change are twofold: 1) The room is considerably larger (no one will have to stand this year) and 2) the cost of the room at the Sheraton more than doubled this year. 04/29 Fri. This is the first Fairgrounds Day. The last two Yorks, we have met at 11:30 AM between the Blue and Silver halls. We'll meet again at the same place. There was a funnel cake stand there in April and Oct, and if it is still there, it's a good meeting place and makes for a great group photo. There are also lots of locations there for a quick lunch so we can get back to 'training'. Friday night's dinner is at the Olive Garden, 1340 Kenneth Rd. 717-845-2264 at 7:00 PM. The restaurant is on Rt. 30 about a mile West of Rt. 83. There is a light at the corner of Rt. 30 (Arsenal Rd.) and Kenneth Rd. In fact, I think that light is about the 3rd light West of I 83. Since there are no reservations, I will arrive there at 6:00 to set us up for dinner at 7:00. Don't worry, I'll entertain myself at their watering hole. This was great last year and they are expecting us again. So there you have it. Remember no cameras nor cell phones are allowed to be used in the halls on the Fairgrounds. Since a sizable number from our group has never been to York, you might want to read Clem Clement's York Primer. It can be found at www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html Also, don't forget to print out and wear your S-Trains badge. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm or the new badge created by Chris Zizzo which can be found at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy Beautiful Spring weather has been specially ordered for York week. But if you want the specifics of the temps and forecast, you can go to www.weatherchannel.com and type in the zip code: 17404. Safe travels and see y'all at York.... Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35254	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 10, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35255	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: April American Flyer list

Hi, Flyer fans. My monthly ten page list of AF Gilbert post-war trains was emailed to everyone in my address book on Wednesday. If you don't have a copy and wish one, contact me and I'll email you a copy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Question: Diesel Horn Generator

My layout (geocities.com/theupstairstrain) is wired in four interconnnected but independent zones with strategically placed fiber pins so the zones can be controlled by four different transformers. One of the zones has had a Diesel Horn Generator for years and it operated as one might expect: when I push the button, the horn sounds in that zone but no others. I just added a Diesel Horn Generator to another zone. When I press the button, the horn sounds not only in that zone, but also in the other zone that has a generator and in a third zone that has no generator. Can anybody give me a clue as to what's going on and how to fix it? It all seems electrically impossible to me. Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35257	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements

Sorry.... part 2..... anybody for Hoss's Tue evening...... across the street from the old Golden Corral and up on the hill...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35258	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements

Barb....... suggestion..... lots of us have gone to the Good and Plenty over at Intercourse........ I will go about 5:00.... at the museum from about 3:00 to 4:45.... then have time to get back for the 8:00 meeting..... anyone want to join me? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35259	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: Question: Lockout Eliminator and Flyonel Diesel

I've rigged my layout with fiber pins and Lockout Eliminators to prevent derailing at switches that are flipped the wrong way. It works great for my Gilbert engines, but today I accidentally ran a Flyonel diesel into a wrong-way switch and it didn't stop. It slowed down a lot, but didn't stop. Am I correct in surmising that the Flyonel can motors draw less current and hence aren't affected by Lockout Eliminators the way Gilbert engines are? Will this also be true if I carry out my plan to convert my Gilbert Baldwin to a can motor? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35260	From: John Claudino	Date: 4/8/2005
Subject: The V&T Railroad Lives!

John and Karen of Aztec Mfg. attended the groundbreaking ceremony of the V&T extension from its present end-of-the-line in Gold Hill to Carson City, NV. For more information about the extension project and how you can help go to http://www.aztectrains.com -- John Claudino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35261	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

912 ATSF 50' black tank car TK-R. (8-74) http://mopac1.tripod.com/912.gif 913 CR 86' auto parts car 12-77 http://mopac1.tripod.com/913.gif 914 CMO 50' coal gon 7-03 http://mopac1.tripod.com/914.gif 915 UTLX 65' tank car 11-01 http://mopac1.tripod.com/915.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - The Decal Machine - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35262	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: off topic - changing email address - other options

For you long time members you have heard me suggest this before, but anyways. Most of us will be changing your email from time to time. To make it easy on yourself I suggest you get a Yahoo, Google or similar type account. From these accounts you can read most any other mail accounts, so you only need to go one place to read all your mail. The big advantage is consistancy, you don't have to keep telling people about your new address. My local provider gave me a new address last time I was forced to change the way I get to the internet, but I have never used that email account. There is no need to use it if you have a Yahoo or Google account. These accounts are dependable. They don't depend on your local pc(aka virus target). All your notes are saved on a server. When you travel (or visit a friend or library) all your notes are right there. --------------- Changing email address on a Yahoo list. I may be wrong but as far as I can tell the only way to do it is to quit and rejoijn with the new address. -------------- Another option If you have your own site with a registered URL, then you can use that URL as your email address, (examples paul @ s-trains.com or paul @ paulyorke.com or boss @ s-scale.org) There is an expense associated with having a url, but if you already have one, there should be no additional expense to have email forwarding. It gets sent to your yahoo, or regular ISP (internet service provider) mail. Now back to trains. Paul Paul Yorke - http://PaulYorke.com Website Development 772.285.4817(cell) - 772.597.3788 (office) Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35263	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements

Mike and Linda will join Barb at the Olive Garden Friday night. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35264	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: Wanted

I am in need of Miller switcher motor parts, any parts, side frames, magnets, etc. check your parts boxes. will trade A.F. or pay cash. Thanks Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35265	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Barb's York Plans

Geee Wiz. . . . . Barb, you sure know how to tempt me!! "The last two Yorks, we have met at 11:30 AM between the Blue and Silver halls. We'll meet again at the same place. There was a funnel cake stand there in April and Oct, and if it is still there, it's a good meeting place and makes for a great group photo" FUNNEL CAKES!!!!! Oh man, to be there!!!!! Y'all are going to have to eat some in my memory!!!! YUUUUUMMMM! (Don't tell my Doctor though!) Oh, and there's trains too. . . . .. AUGH!!! Stuck here on the west coast!!! BTW, I might not make Chat Sunday again, we have about 15 days to finish one of my Dad's rentals and there's still a LOT to do. Have a great time all! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35266	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Bob's question re: Lockout eliminators

Bob, Very quick answer to both your questions: YES. It is a problem I have been doing some thinking on, along with the "jackrabbit" starts the Flyonel engines tend to have. Hmmmmm. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35267	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: York Arrangements

I plan to be there for all the fun. Dick At 03:34 PM 4/8/2005, Barbara Rudnicki wrote: >Hi All, > >The arrangements have been made for your >participation should you so choose. They >are as follows: > >04/27 Wed. Dinner reservations have been >made in my name at Alexander's at 6:30 PM. >Alexander's is at 840 Carlisle Rd., York. >717-846-1041. If you have been going to the >bandit meets during the early part of the week, >you have probably passed it on your right on >the way to the Reliance Fire hall. Carlisle is >an exit off Rt. 30, West of I 83. > >04/28 Thurs. There are no dinner reservations >for this night as many of us will be helping >to set up for the Gilbert Get Together or moving >stuff from bandit meet locations to the fairgrounds. >I might suggest the Round the Clock Dinner for a >quick and yummy meal. Those of you ready, willing >and able to assist in the set up of layouts and >displays, are more than welcome. > >The location of the Gilbert Get Together has >changed this year. It will be at the Days Inn >at 222 Arsenal Rd. 717-843-9971. The Days Inn is >located up the hill and behind the Four Points >Sheraton where the Get Together has been held for >the past 5 years. So the directions are very >close to the same. If you are traveling East on >Arsenal Rd. (RT. 30), turn left after the Round >the Clock Diner (Just East of I 83). After making >this left, there is a left turn behind the diner >but before the Four Points Sheraton. The left >turn will take you up the hill to the Days Inn. >The Gilbert Get Together begins at 9:00 PM and >is at the back of the Inn in the Bridgeton Center >(formerly known as the White Rose Ballroom). > >The reasons for this change are twofold: 1) The >room is considerably larger (no one will have to >stand this year) and 2) the cost of the room at >the Sheraton more than doubled this year. > >04/29 Fri. This is the first Fairgrounds Day. >The last two Yorks, we have met at 11:30 AM >between the Blue and Silver halls. We'll meet >again at the same place. There was a funnel >cake stand there in April and Oct, and if it >is still there, it's a good meeting place and >makes for a great group photo. There are also >lots of locations there for a quick lunch so >we can get back to 'training'. > >Friday night's dinner is at the Olive Garden, >1340 Kenneth Rd. 717-845-2264 at 7:00 PM. The >restaurant is on Rt. 30 about a mile West of >Rt. 83. There is a light at the corner of Rt. >30 (Arsenal Rd.) and Kenneth Rd. In fact, I >think that light is about the 3rd light West >of I 83. Since there are no reservations, I will >arrive there at 6:00 to set us up for dinner >at 7:00. Don't worry, I'll entertain myself at >their watering hole. This was great last year >and they are expecting us again. > >So there you have it. Remember no cameras nor >cell phones are allowed to be used in the halls >on the Fairgrounds. Since a sizable number from >our group has never been to York, you might want >to read Clem Clement's York Primer. It can be >found at www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html >Also, don't forget to print out and wear your S-Trains badge. > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm or the >new badge created by Chris Zizzo which can be found at: > http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy > >Beautiful Spring weather has been specially ordered for York >week. But if you want the specifics of the temps and forecast, >you can go to www.weatherchannel.com and type in the zip >code: 17404. > >Safe travels and see y'all at York.... Barb > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35268	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Re: Question: Lockout Eliminator and Flyonel Diesel

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@y...> wrote: > > I've rigged my layout with fiber pins and Lockout Eliminators to prevent derailing at switches that are flipped the wrong way. It works great for my Gilbert engines, but today I accidentally ran a Flyonel diesel into a wrong-way switch and it didn't stop. It slowed down a lot, but didn't stop. > > Am I correct in surmising that the Flyonel can motors draw less current and hence aren't affected by Lockout Eliminators the way Gilbert engines are? > > Will this also be true if I carry out my plan to convert my Gilbert Baldwin to a can motor? > Robert, My experience with the Gilbert "dead man control" transformers and modern era can-motor powered locomotive has been similar. These transformers employ a similar feature to the lockout eliminator to prevent the reverse units from tripping into neutral. The small voltage present at the 0 mph handle position is often enough to cause the newer engines to creep rather than stall like the old open-frame Gilbert motors would. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35269	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: eBay Item #5961125710, "1955 American Flyer 401 Dealer Display 8 x

I haven't seen any comments on the list regarding this incredible eBay sale. The high bid was $10,145.00 + shipping! Ten separate bidders bid $3,000, or above! The highest three bidders bid $10,000, or more / each! (And, these bids didn't include shipping!) So, I thought I'd share with the list some information I developed based on the eBay bid item and accompanying photos. For anyone interested, I have a WORD ".doc" file (~163 KB) that includes a 1" = 1'-0" Scale Layout Plan, a list of American Flyer Accessories (taken from the eBay photos and the "on-line" 1955 Gilbert Catalog) with itemized costs from various sources, and a sorted list of the eBay bidders sorted to show each one's HIGHEST eBay bid. There is currently a 1955 Dealer's Catalog being offered on eBay that documents this layout. (See eBay Item #5944948342, "1955 American Flyer Dealer Display Catalog + Erector".) There are apparently (or at least, were) 4 available at a "Buy It NOW" price of $21.75, plus $2.50 Media Rate U.S. Postage. It shows a complete "photo" of the dealer layout as it appeared in the catalog - another good resource! I'd love to buy one, but just can't justify the expense right now. At first I thought I could make "REPROS" of this layout, and sell them to the "high-but-unsuccessful" bidders on eBay. My investigation into the possible cost of the American Flyer/Gilbert Accessories required (NO ROLLING STOCK WAS INCLUDED!) showed that it could "possibly" cost between $1,300 to $1,600, depending on where you could find the necessary accessories, etc. (In 1955 the accessories cost only $226.30, if bought separately! The Dealer's Layout cost was only $368.40 in 1955 and included three trains-worth of engines & rolling stock!) The carpentry, wiring and layout details seemed to be quite simple. It just seemed to me that a person could make some money selling "REPRO" 1955 AF Dealer Layouts - if he could find some interested buyers. Depending on the amount of accessories a buyer would furnish himself, the cost could vary. I thought anything above, say, $3,000 could be profitable (not including shipping)! I ran into a snag, though, when I considered contacting the loosing bidders on eBay. I didn't want to get labeled as a SPAMer on eBay! See eBay's definition of "spam" at: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html So, I'm offering here the information I gathered, along with a scale layout plan to anyone that might be interested in making one for himself. I would appreciate a small token amount if anyone constructed any "REPRO" 1955 Dealer Layouts commercially, however! ;-) Anyone half-way interested should certainly download the photos from the two eBay items that were offered. In case you miss downloading them from eBay, I have them saved on my HD. If anyone is interested, or has any questions, please let me know! Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35270	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: Diesel Horn Generator and other electrical curiosities

- GreetingS - Robert Graves has two questions which anyone might have. Regarding the Diesel horn generator, first one needs to know if only one transformer is on or are the three for the affected sections all set to some voltage to run trains? Are there any shared loads between accessory terminals on the transformers? If the can motor for the Baldwin has the same low current draw, it will behave the same as the Flyonel and roll on thru the block. Do not put resistors in parallel with the motor to increase current draw if the loco has the thin pickup wiper wires. Resistors and wipers will get hot. Heat in the loco is unwanted, heated wipers may lose the temper (springeness). CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35271	From: northern83113	Date: 4/9/2005
Subject: af 24558 canadian national flat car

hi:does anybody know if one can still get tru-scale pine tress for this car.i do beleive they were ho scale trees.any help would be appreciated.thanks jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35272	From: Jim Marski	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: All Aboard Winter Wonderland

Hi, Anyone on the list have an idea as to value of the All Aboard Winter Wonderland panels? Thanks, Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35273	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: NP SET FOR SALE

I have a brand new LTI NP set in the box also an Extra "B" unit & 2 Pass. cars.Theses are all mint in the boxes. I'll take offers on it for over $750 +$35 shipping & ins Until Monday the11th at 9:pm Pacific Daylight Time. Highest offer over $750 gets it. Mike PS: My decision as to who the highest & earlist offer is ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35274	From: T Larson	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Open Loads

Their have been several discussions on the list about how flat car and gondola loads are blocked, chocked, and tied down to hold them in place. A few of us have been lucky enough to find a copy of the AAR rules book for open loads. Now some of this information is available from the NMRA, see their "company store"; http://www.rrhistorical.com/cgi/NMRA_Store_NonMembers/nmra-store.cgi?ORDER_ID=324719561&thispage=page2.html&ACTION=NEXT+PAGE -- Ted Larson FREE http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/2.0/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35275	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Maximum Grade

I know we have discussed the maximum grade that AF locomtives can handle, but I saw an interesting old AF ad that says the Pullmore engines can handle a 30 degree grade!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35276	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: All Aboard Winter Wonderland

Jim Marski wrote: >Hi, > >Anyone on the list have an idea as to value of the All Aboard Winter Wonderland panels? > >Thanks, >Jim > > > > Perhaps a better question for "The All Aboard Sets Club" at http://myflyertrains.org/allaboard/index.htm It depends on condition and what accessories you have with them. A couple years ago I spent $225 for 6 worn panels with nothing with them, and was glad to get them! Complete sets can go for over $1000 !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35277	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: af 24558 canadian national flat car

The trees are very very very rare. If you do find someone willing to sell them expect to pay $75 to $100 each. I've not seen any for sale in 9 years. I was very lucky and found an original box of 6 for sale at a mostly HO train show in Florida for $1.50. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "northern83113" <northern83113@y...> wrote: > > > hi:does anybody know if one can still get tru-scale pine tress for this > car.i do beleive they were ho scale trees.any help would be > appreciated.thanks jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35278	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: off topic - trivia

Can any one tell me when the first Transcontinental Railroad (across America) was built. I will even give you a hint. It is not what you see in the history books. First correct answer wins free lifetime S-Trains list membership. Please answer off-list. Paul PS I found this in a great book, I will tell you about that later. PSS I will give more hints as needed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35279	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: All Aboard Winter Wonderland

NO idea, I can tell you part of my set is in its second yr on display at the National Toy Train Museum is Strasburg PA. We had a 12 panel "conventional" set up and running in Leesport, PA today. The Pacific that came in the set would not stay on the track because the lead (pony) truck wouldn't stay on. The next obvious choice was an A/F 300, which ran almost continuously from 9 AM to 1 PM. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35280	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Re: Maximum Grade

if its going downhill........ bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Maximum Grade > > > > I know we have discussed the maximum grade that AF locomtives can > handle, but I saw an interesting old AF ad that says the Pullmore > engines can handle a 30 degree grade!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35281	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 10, 2005 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35282	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Panama Railroad Trivia Answer

see http://www.trainweb.org/panama/ "fortyseven and a half miles of railroad joining the Atlantic city of Aspinwall (now known as Col�n) with the Pacific city of Panama, making it the world's first transcontinental railway." I became aware of this in a book by David McCullough called " the path between the seas". A very interesting story (so far) about the Panama Canal Thanks for playing along. Gene Knight was the first to say 'panama railroad' FYI it was completed in 1855. It is quite an amazing story. At at $295 a share, the Panama Railroad was at one time the highest-priced stock on the New York Stock Exchange? Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35283	From: Dave W	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Pre-War Flyer 3/16"

Hi Gang, Has anyone used pre-war boiler shells or similar parts on postwar Flyer mechanisms? Just wondering after seeing my first pre-war 3/16 on O track up close. Thanks, Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35284	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/10/2005
Subject: Putt Trains

I met Terry Putt at a train show this past weekend and got to see the Rex Mogul and 0-6-0 up close. While not the Lionel S gauge Mikado detail or electronic wise, both of the Rex locomotives are VERY nice. He is using top quality five pole sqew wound can motors in his locos. Assembly and painting is very good (which requires alot of work.) He has various options, so you can have your loco built to order. Also on hand were Rex flatcar, gondola, truck, and detail castings. He had a stock of electronic goodies and of course his "critter" diesel and trolley car, both kit and RTR. I bought a diesel and will give you a run down on it when I finish putting it together. I also snatched up a few bags of details. Terry is a good guy, who I pestered off and on for two days. He even brought in castings of the Rex Dockside and the Suburban and explained how the dies worked and other assembly tid bits. Both of these engines may see limited run in the future. I'd sure like to get one of the Moguls, but the wife wants to continue eating, so I guess I'll wait. Maybe if he redoes the Dockside or runs the Suburban I can get her to "go on a diet!" Stumpy Stone...thinking thin in Appalchia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35285	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT

This weekend we had a train show in Fort Washington.A camera was attached to the tender behind the engine. You can see me in a couple of passes standing on the left of the train. Click on "train 2" for the North Penn S Gauge ride on a K-5 Pacific. http://www.nerys.com/multipodaction/videos.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35286	From: knockbill	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: Panama RR

Hi I rode that line quite a few times the late 60's, while in the service, from Colon to Panama City...... Quite a trek through the jungle... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35287	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: Re: Pre-War Flyer 3/16"

I used an AF S gauge Atlantic mechanism in a prewar O gauge Atlantic. The only modification needed was to bend the main rods in to meet the drivers because the steam chest was a bit too wide on the O gauge. I even stuck a smoke mechanism in the thing. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave W" <fahrwud@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War Flyer 3/16" > > > > Hi Gang, > > Has anyone used pre-war boiler shells or similar parts on postwar > Flyer mechanisms? Just wondering after seeing my first pre-war 3/16 on > O track up close. > Thanks, > Dave W. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35288	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 4/11/2005
Subject: Boise Depot Show

Dear S-Trains Friends, Lookout Junction, the layout of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, will again be the centerpiece attraction at the 80th Anniversary Celebration of the Boise Depot, Saturday and Sunday, April 16-17, Boise, Idaho. The event is free to the public, and we'll have lots of other attractions including HO and O layouts, vintage vehicles (Model A's, 1927 fire truck, 1937 school bus, Studebakers, etc.), story-telling for the kids (trains, of course), a bay-window caboose and speeders on the tracks, "tour train" rides around the streets in the neighborhood, flapper girls in costume, and lots more. Those of you who enjoyed Lookout Junction at the National Train Show in Seattle last summer will be able to see all its improvements, such as the addition of a second runway and 48 runway lights around the international airport. Bring a train to run! All S gaugers are welcome to join us in the operating pit. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35289	From: JMatt	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: Re: York - Gilbert

As a Lionel O gauge convert this past year, I look with anticipation to meeting Gilbert AF fans at York. Can I please be advised where you all meet and are there any other S gauge meetings. The excitement is building as I look forward to the TCA Meet in 2 weeks. I will be staying with an O gauger (Erney Alewine) but he likes AF too! We are going to be at the Super 8 at I-83 and Arsenal Road. Any tips on Yorking would be greatly appreciated Jerry Matsick TCA 04-57715 NASG PCCW WPIYG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35290	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: NPSG APRIL NEWS

THE EAST COAST HOBBY SHOW: The East Coast Hobby Show was a blast. The blast came from the displays around us such as large inflated balloon slides for yelling children, destructive robotics that battled to the death, race cars that bounced off PVC piping and let's not forget the broken closer on the men's room door. Overall the show was well attended and our layout performed well with mostly DCC operation. Mike's large brass engines navigated the new corner radii and most modules had buildings. We were proud to introduce the new S-Helper service Consolidation 2-8-0 to modular railroading. Please visit the website to see this spectacular event. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NPSGMODULES.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Ritter, Corresponding Secretary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35291	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: WHILE IN YORK

If your in York on a weekday you can take a free guided tour of the Harley-Davidson factory. It's on Arsenal Rd. also. MADE in the USA!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35292	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/12/2005
Subject: yORK

OUR BUDDY BARB IS PUTTING TOGETHER A LIST OF THINGS FOR US...... DINNERS....PHOTO MEETS....ETC..... PRINT OUT THAT LIST... RING ME UP WHEN YOU GET IN..... I AM AT 8 TOO..... WILLTRY TO FILL YOU IN WITH MORE....... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35293	From: Bruce	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Re: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT

Fantastic!! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@v...> wrote: > > This weekend we had a train show in > Fort Washington.A camera was attached to > the tender behind the engine. You can see > me in a couple of passes standing on > the left of the train. Click on "train 2" for the > North Penn S Gauge ride on a > K-5 Pacific. > > http://www.nerys.com/multipodaction/videos.html > > Glenn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35294	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: The American Flyer Collector's Club

It's been about seven years since Mr. Hare (sp.?) announced that he couldn't continue the club duties due to a health problem. I, for one, really miss the publication. So many of the questions about Flyer we see in the postings here were covered, especially the Franklin variants. Frequent contributors like "Choo-Choo" Harrington are sorely missed-and I'm surprised that they haven't popped up on our group. Is there anyone intending to continue the club? In a different vein, I recall that, around the spring of 1999, someone in this group mentioned that he was developing a sound generator that'd work like the Gilbert horn/whistle tube but would produce a real whistle or horn sound from the Gilbert tender/B unit. Is this wishful thinking? Could it be done, and did anyone actually do it?-John Marganski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35295	From: mytrains@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: York-Gilbert

Hi Jerry I sent you a e-mail at _mtoytrains@..._ (mailto:mtoytrains@...) but it came back not deliverd. Send me a e-mail To _MYTRAINS@..._ (mailto:MYTRAINS@...) as I live in York and can be of help. Also collect American Flyer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35296	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Double crossing 725???? Maybe

Anyone ever see the double crossing/rerailer in the picture on the upper right? Mike E-Bay # 5968103984 ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35297	From: NASG Library	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be on vacation from April 14 through April 20, 2005. The Library will reopen on April 21. Dick Karnes, Librarian NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35298	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Re: Double crossing 725???? Maybe

Michael, I too was interested until I noticed that what looks like a double crossing is just a close-up photo of the lettering on the crossing. I admit, it does indeed look like a double crossing, but look closer. Nothing earth shaking..... Jerry Pponiatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > > Anyone ever see the double crossing/rerailer in the picture on the upper > right? Mike E-Bay # 5968103984 > > > > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35299	From: firex43	Date: 4/13/2005
Subject: Trying to Locate Ed Davis, Sr.

Hello, I am trying to locate Ed Davis, Sr., author of "They Moved Millions", a book devoted to the New York City Transit System, the subway. Ed was also an S gauge modeller with N.Y. subway cars. Last area that I knew he lived in was Montana, possibly Livingston. He is not listed as a TCA member nor can I locate a past address via American Flyer Collectors Club membership info. All assistance greatly appreciated in advance; please contact me off-list. Thanks again. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35300	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Submit best offer???

Anyone know anything about E-Bay's new "Submit Best Offer" I was looking at a cheap engine & the price was "Submit Best Offer" Is this a new way of selling. Interesting. Do you have to accept the best or highest offer & how long does it run for. Anyone submit an offer or sell anything this way? Mike Item # ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35301	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: MAKE AN OFFER

5963986838 This is the E-Bay # for the make an offer auction, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35302	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT

Excellent! Many thanx for the link, Glenn. Man, that is one smooth Gilbert steamer. Can motor? Got rid of the E-unit, I s'pose. The sounds of the engine's chuffing together with wheels on rails, even the ambient noise in the hall, all has a peaceful effect. (Sigh.) OTOH, I also viewed "train 1", apparently a 3-rail 0 gauge system. One thing that listening to the audio from the two different trains confirmed to me: I absolutely DETEST the sound of digitally reproduced diesel engine noise, at least as it eminates from an 0 scale model locomotive. (I can't imagine why it should be any better from an S scale loco, either, though I suppose I can hope.) Absolutely excruciating! The horn was excellent, but that looped incessant howling was painful to listen to, even at very low levels. Of course, that awful racket completely drowned out the sound of the hall, as well as the consist's own wheels. I had to keep turning my computer's sound further down, until finally, it was off! It's interesting, real steamer noise doesn't irritate me, nor do Gilbert or AM steamer noises. Real diesel noise doesn't irritate me, either. I really like the low, earth-shaking rumble a real diesel loco makes. But MODEL diesel noise...UGH! There outta be a law... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35303	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Double crossing 725???? Maybe

Thats just an inlargement of the name on the cross track. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35304	From: roy inman	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: RIDE ON A TRAIN LAYOUT

Glen, Just FYI, the link apparently doesn't work if person is on a Mac platform, as I am. Only Java messages come up :( Roy Inman on 4/14/05 4:37 AM, jayhoo64 at jayhoo64@... wrote: > > > > Excellent! Many thanx for the link, Glenn. > > Man, that is one smooth Gilbert steamer. Can motor? Got rid of the > E-unit, I s'pose. > > The sounds of the engine's chuffing together with wheels on rails, > even the ambient noise in the hall, all has a peaceful effect. (Sigh.) > > OTOH, I also viewed "train 1", apparently a 3-rail 0 gauge system. One > thing that listening to the audio from the two different trains > confirmed to me: I absolutely DETEST the sound of digitally reproduced > diesel engine noise, at least as it eminates from an 0 scale model > locomotive. (I can't imagine why it should be any better from an S > scale loco, either, though I suppose I can hope.) Absolutely > excruciating! The horn was excellent, but that looped incessant > howling was painful to listen to, even at very low levels. Of course, > that awful racket completely drowned out the sound of the hall, as > well as the consist's own wheels. I had to keep turning my computer's > sound further down, until finally, it was off! > > It's interesting, real steamer noise doesn't irritate me, nor do > Gilbert or AM steamer noises. > > Real diesel noise doesn't irritate me, either. I really like the low, > earth-shaking rumble a real diesel loco makes. But MODEL diesel > noise...UGH! There outta be a law... > > > Chuck F. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35305	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: wHISTLE TUBE

John Marganskijohn <druvnik@... Wrote: I recall that, around the spring of 1999, someone in this group mentioned that he was developing a sound generator that'd work like the Gilbert horn/whistle tube but would produce a real whistle or horn sound from the Gilbert tender/B unit. Is this wishful thinking? Could it be done, and did anyone actually do it Yes, I have an electronic replacement for the whistle/horn tube used in the A.F. whistle/horn controller. It will not produce a real whistle or horn sound. It preforms similar to the original. The cost is to make the unit is greater than buying an original, available at most train shows for around $20. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35306	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators

--- Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > John Marganskijohn <druvnik@... Wrote: > I recall that, around the spring of 1999, someone in this group > mentioned that he was developing a sound generator that'd work > like the Gilbert horn/whistle tube but would produce a real whistle or > horn sound from the Gilbert tender/B unit. Is this wishful thinking? > Could it be done, and did anyone actually do it? --- Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> then wrote: > Yes, I have an electronic replacement for the whistle/horn tube used > in the A.F. whistle/horn controller. It will not produce a real > whistle or horn sound. Is it possible to make an electronic whistle that would sound REAL, as the original question asked? The answer is yes, theoretically, a real whistle sound wave could be superimposed onto the track power supply and this would be reproduced by the speaker in the engine. I don't know that anyone has done it, but the idea has been kicked around on the list a few times. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35307	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2637

See http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/best-offer.html > >Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:43:18 EDT > From: anormal1@... >Subject: Submit best offer??? > > >Anyone know anything about E-Bay's new "Submit Best Offer" I was looking at a >cheap engine & the price was "Submit Best Offer" Is this a new way of >selling. Interesting. Do you have to accept the best or highest offer & how long >does it run for. Anyone submit an offer or sell anything this way? Mike > Item # >ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35308	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Ebay Best Offer

I left an offer for an item, but the seller failed to respond until after the time ran out. I was reluctant to make a deal then for fear of breaking an ebay rule cutting them out of the "action". paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35309	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: ERECTOR (off topic)

Any of you guys interested in Erector? Some in wood boxes other in steel about 20 + set's & parts of sets. I'd like to sell them all in one shot. MIke ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35310	From: Bob Anson	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: looking for info

does anybody have an "Overland models #1612 R&W 10 ton sand facility"?? need to ask a question or 2 about it. thanks for your help....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35311	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Franklin Parts List Exploded View

Does anyone know where I can locate a parts list and exploded view for the Franklin? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35312	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Parts List Exploded View

Bull..... I have both items in my AF repair manual.... ( Original ).... What parts do you need, or info...... no scanner but could copy it and mail it...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Franklin Parts List Exploded View > > > > Does anyone know where I can locate a parts list and exploded view for > the Franklin? > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35313	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Parts List Exploded View

PS.....got a fax number? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Franklin Parts List Exploded View > > > > Does anyone know where I can locate a parts list and exploded view for > the Franklin? > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35314	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: The Latest from Stumpyland

Y'all...Time to update what's going on in my shop. Look in the Photos section under "STUMPY'S". Up first is the Putt Trains Diesel kit. I really like this little machine. It's a good runner and basic enough to modify. I just couldn't leave it alone. The first two pix are the modifications I added to it, beside a stock engine. The next two snaps are the finished product. The fifth photo is the Semi-streamlined Flyer Pacific I had in here earlier with a more conservative paint job. The final picture is the scratchbuilt crane and short flat car built for my upcoming S gauge mini layout. More on this project as it comes along. Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35315	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Brookside Milk reefer

In 2001, we offered our first car produced exclusively for us by S-Helper Service.....our Brookside Milk wood-sided reefer. This car proved VERY popular and it sold out very quickly (despite the fact that we only produced the car in one number !) Yesterday, we discovered a full, unopened case of this car buried in our warehouse! So.....while they last, we have 12 Brookside cars available, at $65 each, postpaid. A picture can be seen on our website homepage, if you're not familiar with the car. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35316	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/14/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators

I brought this idea up a while back, but I haven't gotten around to trying it. There wasn't much response back then. No one would even venture a guess as to whether all engines with speaker and capacitor would produce sound from any of the whistle generators, be they tube or the 1950 electronic version. While we are on that subject, does anyone know if the sound from the "Diesel Horn" is any different from the "Steam Whistle." They both use vibrator tubes but is there any difference in the frequency of the tone produced by them? As to generating a more realistic sound I think the key is in tuning. The Gilbert speaker was tuned by the capacitor to block as much of the 60 cycle hum from track power while allowing in more of the 600 cycle oscillator signal. I think that such simple tuning would block out the complex harmonics needed for a realistic sound. Now an interesting question. Could this be done more easily with DC power? I know you would still need to block track current from reaching the speaker, probably still with a capacitor. Perhaps the solution is a minor modification to the speaker by hooking it to a small FM receiver to receive a signal from the signal source transmitted independent of track power much like a wireless microphone. But then we don't have original Gilbert do we? If we are going to go that far, why not mount it in another car with its own speaker. Now we have come full circle and have a whole different project. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Holm" <imsscott@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic Whistle Generators > > > --- Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > >> John Marganskijohn <druvnik@... Wrote: >> I recall that, around the spring of 1999, someone in this group >> mentioned that he was developing a sound generator that'd work >> like the Gilbert horn/whistle tube but would produce a real whistle > or >> horn sound from the Gilbert tender/B unit. Is this wishful thinking? >> Could it be done, and did anyone actually do it? > > --- Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> then wrote: > >> Yes, I have an electronic replacement for the whistle/horn tube used >> in the A.F. whistle/horn controller. It will not produce a real >> whistle or horn sound. > > Is it possible to make an electronic whistle that would sound REAL, as > the original question asked? The answer is yes, theoretically, a real > whistle sound wave could be superimposed onto the track power supply > and this would be reproduced by the speaker in the engine. > > I don't know that anyone has done it, but the idea has been kicked > around on the list a few times. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35317	From: roy inman	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Katy car-off topic

Slightly off-topic, so please forgive me, but we really need some information. Union Station Kansas City is in the throes of developing a rail museum, even as I write this. One feature will be a re-creation of an old Katy passenger car interior, because the Katy Flyer was the first train to arrive at the newly-completed Union Station in 1914. We are having trouble finding any early car interiors (could be as late as the 1920's actually), either drawings or photographs. If anyone has a suggestion as to where we might find this information, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any suggestions :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35318	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators

As far as my ears can tell, there's no difference between the horn and whistle. BUT: my Mom always said, "All that rock'n'roll will drive you crazy or make you deaf"-maybe she was right on both counts! But when you look back at what Gilbert was claiming about the sounds, I think the best laugh is in the catalog blurb about the EP-5-something along the line of it having an authentic Nathan Air Chime, like the prototype. perhaps the answer IS an add on car, like Gilbert did with the pre-war whistling baggage car. L has made a boxcar and perhaps a baggage car in 0-27 with railsounds for steam that included a whistle.I couls live with one that only whistled-already have 2 L whistle activators for my L Flyer with RS. -John Marganski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35319	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Generators

--- Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > No one would even venture a guess as to whether all engines with > speaker and capacitor would produce sound from any of the whistle > generators, be they tube or the 1950 electronic version. They all work with any of the generators. > The Gilbert speaker was tuned by the capacitor to block as much of > the 60 cycle hum from track power while allowing in more of the 600 > cycle oscillator signal. I think that such simple tuning would block > out the complex harmonics needed for a realistic sound. Just the opposite; the filter would block low frequency noise and allow the complex harmonics through. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35320	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Change of Venue for the Gilbert Get-Together

Hi....... Due to rising costs and the need for a bigger room, The Gilbert Get-Together, now in its 6th year on Thursday nights during York week, has been moved. The new location is called The Bridgeton Center, it is adjoining The Days Inn at 222 Arsenal Road. The room, formerly called The White Rose Ballroom is no longer affiliated with the Days Inn, and is managed now by The Altland House, a food service and property management group. There is a driveway between the Diner and the Four Points entrance that will take you up to The Days Inn, keep driving past the Front Desk/Office to the Bridgeton. The starting time remains at 9:00pm. Thanks to all the people that have come to this event and made it such a great success! Look forward to meeting YOU there! -Clay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35321	From: lember2004	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Interchangability of AF operating accessory barrels and boxes quest

A couple of questions about the interchangability of AF operating accessory barrels and boxes. Can the milk barrels that come with the AF #973 Gilbert milk car operating accessory be loaded onto the milk car using the #770 operating loading platform? Can the boxes and/or barrels that come with #770 be loaded into the milk car and be successfully tossed out? Thanks for any help. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35322	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Change of Venue for the Gilbert Get-Together

Clay..... with the size growing, etc..... what about starting just a little earlier..... say 8:30....... now its almost midnight when we drift out...... bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Buckage" <lamontcranston1946@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Change of Venue for the Gilbert Get-Together > > > > Hi....... > > Due to rising costs and the need for a bigger room, > The Gilbert Get-Together, now in its 6th year on > Thursday nights during York week, has been moved. > > The new location is called The Bridgeton Center, it is > adjoining The Days Inn at 222 Arsenal Road. > The room, formerly called The White Rose Ballroom > is no longer affiliated with the Days Inn, and is managed > now by The Altland House, a food service and property > management group. > > There is a driveway between the Diner and the Four Points > entrance that will take you up to The Days Inn, keep driving > past the Front Desk/Office to the Bridgeton. > > The starting time remains at 9:00pm. > > Thanks to all the people that have come to this event > and made it such a great success! > > Look forward to meeting YOU there! > > -Clay > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35323	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Change of Venue for the Gilbert Get-Together

Bob.... I've often thought of starting earlier However, the problem is that the majority of attendees have other engagements, some are coming from the Marx meeting some are setting up at the Fairgrounds, etc. What I will try is less milling around at the beginning, let's really start at 9, and people that want to see stuff and kibitz can do so afterwards, those that wish to get to bed a little earlier can. Looking forward to seeing you again -Clay --- ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: > Clay..... with the size growing, etc..... what about > starting just a little > earlier..... say 8:30....... now its almost midnight > when we drift out...... > bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clay Buckage" <lamontcranston1946@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:08 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Change of Venue for the Gilbert > Get-Together > > > > > > > > > > Hi....... > > > > Due to rising costs and the need for a bigger > room, > > The Gilbert Get-Together, now in its 6th year on > > Thursday nights during York week, has been moved. > > > > The new location is called The Bridgeton Center, > it is > > adjoining The Days Inn at 222 Arsenal Road. > > The room, formerly called The White Rose Ballroom > > is no longer affiliated with the Days Inn, and is > managed > > now by The Altland House, a food service and > property > > management group. > > > > There is a driveway between the Diner and the Four > Points > > entrance that will take you up to The Days Inn, > keep driving > > past the Front Desk/Office to the Bridgeton. > > > > The starting time remains at 9:00pm. > > > > Thanks to all the people that have come to this > event > > and made it such a great success! > > > > Look forward to meeting YOU there! > > > > -Clay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35324	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Franklin Parts List Exploded View

Many thanks to everyone who responded with parts lists and exploded views for the Franklin. I can now correct a couple of issues with the Franklin I just purchased and get it running. As always if you have any AF questions, this group is THE place to get prompt, friendly, correct answers!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35325	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Interchangability of AF operating accessory barrels and boxes q

Yes. Did it for years. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <mrlembersky@q...> wrote: > > > A couple of questions about the interchangability of AF operating > accessory barrels and boxes. > Can the milk barrels that come with the AF #973 Gilbert milk car > operating accessory be loaded onto the milk car using the #770 > operating loading platform? > Can the boxes and/or barrels that come with #770 be loaded into the > milk car and be successfully tossed out? > Thanks for any help. > Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35326	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: A little York help needed

Ok, our York badges arrived, but we noticed something different. In the past, when we submitted the names with our tables, all badges indicated the color of the hall. The importance is for set-up, you had to have the correct color hall indicated to get in to set-up on Thursday or early on Friday or Saturday morning. This time, only my badge had "orange" Even my partner's was just "member". Unlike past Yorks, I did not see a phone number in the booklet of anyone to call to ask a question about the badges or our booth. Has anyone else had this problem, or am I the only one. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35327	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: Brookside Milk reefer

Doug!! No, you didn't break the seal to that case of Brookside Reefers! LOL Hold on to those cars and put them on Ebay in the year of 2037 and go for the big bucks for those "rare" cars! More valuable than a 2005 Washington Nationals Opening Day Program, I bet! Go Nats! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Brookside Milk reefer > > > In 2001, we offered our first car produced exclusively for us by S-Helper Service.....our Brookside Milk wood-sided reefer. This car proved VERY popular and it sold out very quickly (despite the fact that we only produced the car in one number !) > Yesterday, we discovered a full, unopened case of this car buried in our warehouse! > So.....while they last, we have 12 Brookside cars available, at $65 each, postpaid. > A picture can be seen on our website homepage, if you're not familiar with the car. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: http://www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35328	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2005
Subject: Re: A little York help needed

Don, You might want to call Glenn Snyder, the meet's chairman, as he the Glenn Snyder who lives in NY, as there are two Glenn Snyder's in the TCA book, if you need to talk to someone. I called him last year about something and he was very helpful. His phone number is in the TCA book. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> To: "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 5:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A little York help needed > > > Ok, our York badges arrived, but we noticed something different. In > the past, when we submitted the names with our tables, all badges > indicated the color of the hall. The importance is for set-up, you had > to have the correct color hall indicated to get in to set-up on Thursday > or early on Friday or Saturday morning. This time, only my badge had > "orange" Even my partner's was just "member". Unlike past Yorks, I did > not see a phone number in the booklet of anyone to call to ask a > question about the badges or our booth. > Has anyone else had this problem, or am I the only one. > Best regards, > Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35329	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/16/2005
Subject: SHS Pre-York Sale

Don gave me the OK to do a Pre-York Special; Buy two TOFC (Trailers on Flat Cars) and get two more free! Here's a chance to add some great looking cars to your fleet at 50% off! Either go to the Internet Special page at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexTOFC.html Or call 1-800-65-0303 to get a piece of this great deal! Sale ends April 30. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35330	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 4/16/2005
Subject: Re: Submit best offer???

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > > Anyone know anything about E-Bay's new "Submit Best Offer" I was looking at a > cheap engine & the price was "Submit Best Offer" Is this a new way of > selling. Interesting. Do you have to accept the best or highest offer & how long > does it run for. Anyone submit an offer or sell anything this way? Mike > Item # > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 Hi Mike! I have been noticing a few of these "submit best offer" invitations on eBay listings lately as well. Not really sure exactly what it means beyond 'submit highest bid" though, Methinks this is just another creative invitatation to bid on the item. Btw, love that smoke fluid! Still the best in the world. Have a nice day. ~~Robert~~

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35331	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: SHS Pre-York Sale (corrected)

Sorry, I messed up the phone number, should be 1-800-465-0303 Bill >Don gave me the OK to do a Pre-York Special; Buy two TOFC (Trailers on Flat Cars) and get >two more free! Here's a chance to add some great looking cars to your fleet at 50% off! Either go >to the Internet Special page at: >http://www.showcaseline.com/indexTOFC.html >Or call 1-800-65-0303 to get a piece of this great deal! Sale ends April 30. >Thanks! >Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35332	From: fuschettomike	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Wire Handrails

I am trying to obtain a supply of the wire used on the American Flyer handrails, at least 15 feet of the nickel wire...I have ordered single pieces from the different vendors, but, at times I want to make a repair of a missing piece and don't want to wait for the order and delivery..All I can find in the local hardware stores is the brass wire...Does anyone know of a vendor that has straight wire for sale ? thx Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35333	From: Bob W.	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Rubber Roadbed Template Needed

Im progressing on the model railroad museum of tripp. I have the non profit corporation set up now and most of the building has been repaired. So now im in the process of laying the first layout. As a road bed ive takin buffalo board AKA homosite board and shaped road bed. Then i paint it with flat black paint then seal it with poly varthane. So theres no dust or particles and it seems to make a nice roadbed when sealed. It would be greatly appreciated any one that has a rubber road bed. Can make a tracing of one curve and one straight. Scan and email it to me would realy be appreciated. That way I can get the right angles Ect. My proto type pieces i have made so far showed to me this idea is going to work as a great looking roadbed.Its certainly dusty making it. But after the paint, then the sealer, it seems to harden up nice. So a better template would realy make it a nice thing. I can make these pieces for pennies compared to purchasing. Thanks Bob W. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35334	From: JMatt	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Re: Chat tonight?

Hello? anyone there?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35335	From: clayton deich	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Re: Wire Handrails

Mike go to your nearest welding supply store, and ask for some nickel wire .045 is the size. Stainless will work to low in iron! Then it will not rust. Scott C.D. --- fuschettomike <mike-joan41428@...> wrote: > > > > I am trying to obtain a supply of the wire used on > the American > Flyer handrails, at least 15 feet of the nickel > wire...I have > ordered single pieces from the different vendors, > but, at times > I want to make a repair of a missing piece and don't > want to > wait for the order and delivery..All I can find in > the local > hardware stores is the brass wire...Does anyone know > of a vendor > that has straight wire for sale ? > thx Mike > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35336	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/17/2005
Subject: Train related, but NOT toy train !

The link takes you to one Engineer's story of hitting a vehicle at a crossing. Maybe this has been posted in the past. http://www.ble.org/pr/newsletter/0400newsletter/story14.html Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35337	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: Re;train related,but not toy train

That's quite a story. I've read a few of these elsewhere, but I'm afraid the idiots in automobiles never read stuff like this. Sad, but true, this will certainly happen over and over as most people have no clue what a train can do. They also figure "it can't happen to me." Say a little prayer for the locomotive crews all over the country. Stumpy Stone, Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35338	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: TMCC set

I have an extra LIO12969 TrainMaster Command Control Set. This is the set that includes the Receiver and Cab-1 Transmitter. It is still in the plastic bags. I opened the box to see if it was all there. I ended up getting two due to a mixup and thought I would offer one here prior to selling on ebay. I would like 110.00 for the set and I will ship it to anywhere in the contiguous states (UPS) for that total and I will insure to $100.00. That's right shipping and insurance included. If you are interested please reply off list. First come first serve. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35339	From: Phil K	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: Re: Train related, but NOT toy train !

Rick -- Sorta related to your linked story: I was out last Sunday morning taking photos at the Dolton IL junction, where three very busy mains all come into Chicago from the south: Indiana Harbor Belt, CSX, and with UP crossing over both with a set of diamonds. Let me also mention I believe the Dolton police station is located right at the crossing/junction, in the city's town hall. I was in that building's parking lot. When several long IHB freights paused at a full stop for 30 seconds to three minutes before entering the yard, they momentarily blocked the grade crossing and held up vehicle traffic. But I watched in horror as at least seven local pedestrians climbed either over couplers or crawled UNDER THE TRAIN to get to the other side. I guess they were in a hurry. One time, two guys were climbing over using a tank car platform when the slack suddenly came out with a jolt and the train started moving again. Apparently, they were still able to stay on their feet and leap off the moving train. Had anyone been injured during these incredible acts of stupidity, I'm certain the railroads would have been sued. Locomotives can blow whistles all they want, but crossing accidents will continue until someone figures out how to legislate against stupidity. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > The link takes you to one Engineer's story of hitting a vehicle > at a crossing. Maybe this has been posted in the past. > http://www.ble.org/pr/newsletter/0400newsletter/story14.html > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35340	From: Phil K	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: 2004 NASG and Gilbert Heritage Society pictures

I have posted many photos (about 100) from last summer's NASG Convention and the simultaneous A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society gathering (both in Chicago) on my photo site. Click the link below and then click on "Phil K's Trains." The photos are located in albums in the top row right of the first page. Some really neat stuff made from Erector sets in the A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society album. http://tinyurl.com/64nvp Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35341	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: RPO

Evening list, Anyone have a Missouri Pacific RPO from the original AM/SHS offering, they would consider selling or trading...I have a CNJ RPO if anyone is interested in trading. Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35342	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: SIT Locos

I am trying to restore two SIT Hudsons and one SIT K4. Despite an extensive search there appear to be no factory diagrams of how the rubber smoke tube was run along the inside of the boiler to the tender. I am having trouble with the rubber tube causing the engine to derail around curves. Any suggestions? Can someone send me some digital photos of a SIT engine in original condition and in particular the smoke and bellows unit in the tender, the rubber tube attached to the tender and the wiring harness? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, John Harvey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 14/04/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35343	From: hspanier2000	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: AF "S" Gauge Track Question

What is the distance between the rails (in inches) in AF "S" gauge track? Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35344	From: Jim Marski	Date: 4/18/2005
Subject: York meet

Hi all, Will be at York with a couple of tables full of vintage flyer stuff. I fanyone is interested, I'll be at E-28 and E-29 in the white hall. Jim Marski --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35345	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: S Gauge MOW by western depot

Has any one seen the mow items offered by western depot? They are k-line cars with the addition of what looks like a boom car with a crane added to it. look under s gauge and click on 4 packs on k-lines site.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35346	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF "S" Gauge Track Question

You will probably get a lot of confusing input on this , but on Gilbert track it is 7/8 of an inch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35347	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF "S" Gauge Track Question

Ron is correct. AF S gauge track was built to have 7/8" (0.875 inches) between the inside edges of the rail heads. Note: this is NOT the distance between rail centers. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35348	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: SIT Locos

There is no need for a diagram, it just comes almost straight back. The only thing you need to look for is that its off to the one side of the field windings or it will pinch closed and you'll get no smoke. The key is to use a very flexible and rather thin walled tubing. Vacume tubing from an auto parts store and fule line tubing from a Hobby Shop is too thick and will not work. The next key is to have the correct length. Too long and it will push the tender, too short and it will either disconnect or pull the tender. There are only two wires, not a harness, and they should also be of the most flexible type available and of the correct length.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35349	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Comet Paint

Anybody have any suggestions on paint to match the blue and satin silver paints on a Comet loco? TIA, Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35350	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Comet Paint

The blue is easy-it's Floquil D&H blue. The silver gets a little tough-I've been VERY close with a match by applying Humbrol Silver Aluminium, then, after it's set for 24 hours, sprayed it with a 50-50 mix of Humbrol Clear Satin and Matte. It lifts the silver pigment just enough to give it that subtle metallic gray appearance of the Flyer paint. This sounds strange, but try it-if a touch up is all that's required, Scale Master Silver decal sheet, available as a solid sheet or as stripes, results in a great match! The best match was Pactra 'Namel silver.They got swallowed up by Testors a long time ago-however, a hobby shop that has been around for a long time may still have some. Don't let the age of the paint put you off, as,like Humbrol, Pactra paint has an extremely long shelf life. - John Marganski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35351	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Comet Paint

JOE...... I don't have an answer but I think it would be a good time for someone to start a list where matching paints for all Flyer could be listed....... I need green for the rocket..... tuscan for the 930..... etc..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Comet Paint > > > Anybody have any suggestions on paint to match the > blue and satin silver paints on a Comet loco? > > TIA, > Joe > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35352	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Paint list is needed

Count me among those thinking this is a great idea. I have been looking for the proper color (blue) to touch up a very minor area on a Penn Salt tank car for the last six months. Any of you restorers or dealers who sell model paint out there? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35353	From: JMatt	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Top Service and Complete Satisfaction

Once again Don Thompson of SHelper Showcaseline came thru with complete satisfaction. I made a mistake in an item ordered and Don was gracious enough to correct my error and made everything all right. Try that with one of those Big time O Gauge Manufacturers. Jerry Matsick TCA 04-57715 NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35354	From: beebear	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Amalgamated Roadstone

This looks like the Porter from K-Line..... very interesting http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/20/ARC.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35355	From: John	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Rubber Roadbed

Copies of rubber roadbed are in the photo section. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35356	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: repainting...... off topic

Take a look at the 3rd pic from the top...... it the paint retouched..... look carefully....... Bob http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=5970214551&rd=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35357	From: Phil K	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic

Looks like cellophane tape holding the lower right door slide, and above it either: 1) tape has pulled off paint and lettering; 2) badly retouched using a brush; or 3) heat damage of some sort. Certainly not "great" or "wonderful." Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > > Take a look at the 3rd pic from the top...... it the paint retouched..... look carefully....... Bob > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5970214551&rd=1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35358	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic

No, tape damage. So the condition is not so wonderful as advertised by the seller. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > > Take a look at the 3rd pic from the top...... it the paint retouched..... look carefully....... Bob > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=5970214551&rd=1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35359	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic

Looks like several spots of paint touch up to me. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35360	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: repainting...... off topic

I wasn't sure of the scratch on the bottom...... thanks.....it does look like tape..... @710..... I would be upset when I got this car....... they have added a note about a pin missing....... Bob PS...... wonder what color was used..... very close..... a start for our paint list? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: repainting...... off topic > > > > Looks like cellophane tape holding the lower right door slide, and > above it either: 1) tape has pulled off paint and lettering; 2) badly > retouched using a brush; or 3) heat damage of some sort. > > Certainly not "great" or "wonderful." > > Phil K > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: >> >> Take a look at the 3rd pic from the top...... it the paint > retouched..... look carefully....... Bob >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=480&item=5970214551&rd=1 >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35361	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Heavyweight RPO and Baggage Cars

I am finishing off the passenger car yard on my layout, and I am looking for any spare AM or SHS/AM heavyweight RPO and/or Baggage cars (sorry no combines). Looking primarily for eastern seaboard or midwestern road names. Please contact me offline if you have any to sell, or possibly to trade? Regards, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35362	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Fwd: re: Top Service and Complete Satisfaction

Jerry, I want to echo your sentiments. I have never received anything less than 200% satisfaction when dealing with Don and the gang. Also, I want to add, they're always there when you need technical advise, and/or any repairs. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JMatt" <mtoytrain@b...> wrote: Once again Don Thompson of SHelper Showcaseline came thru with complete satisfaction. I made a mistake in an item ordered and Don was gracious enough to correct my error and made everything all right. Try that with one of those Big time O Gauge Manufacturers. Jerry Matsick TCA 04-57715 NASG --- End forwarded message ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35363	From: lember2004	Date: 4/19/2005
Subject: Re: Interchangability of AF operating accessory barrels and boxes q

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <mrlembersky@q...> wrote: > > > A couple of questions about the interchangability of AF operating > accessory barrels and boxes. > Can the milk barrels that come with the AF #973 Gilbert milk car > operating accessory be loaded onto the milk car using the #770 > operating loading platform? > Can the boxes and/or barrels that come with #770 be loaded into the > milk car and be successfully tossed out? > Thanks for any help. > Mark Thanks to C. Smith and to stepdad56 for their responses indicating one can load boxes and barrels into 973, but not round bottomed milk can via the 770. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35364	From: roy inman	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: [Fwd: NEW EVENING CLASSES FOR MEN]

on 4/20/05 9:11 AM, Bob Werre at bob@... wrote: GETTING OVER IT; LEARNING HOW TO LIVE WITH BEING WRONG ALL THE TIME Individual counsellors available Boy, can I relate to THAT one! Thanks Bob, for a day brightener. Hey, on a recent trip to Arkansas, I stopped by Blair Line products at Carthage, MO and talked with the owner Dale Rush. I had not paid much attention to his line of laser cut billboards until one of the guys in our S group wanted one to stick on his club module, which includes a long, narrow building. I was elected to build it-the classic Western Auto sign. Those things in the HO, S, O, one size fits all three, are darn near perfect for some S applications, looks like to me. Dale also makes a really neat HO sized radio antenna, which is a little short for S if you put it on the ground, but will look just about right on top of the WROY radio station building. Cheers :) Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35365	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Paint list

Hi Gang, There is a paint list in Walt Mumie's Clinic Notes on Painting. Perhaps someone on the list will remember how to get to it. My copy doesn't have a web site, but a club newsletter-- The Waybill-- is mentioned. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35366	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge MOW by western depot

I went to western depot website and found that not only is there a 4 pack but also a matching tank car. While looking through the k-line catolog I saw the crane car in their O gauge construction set appears another O gauge car with S-trucks on it. We need to push for new tooling in S from k-line. --- mtoytrain@... wrote: > Bruce > Can the S gaug MOW set be confirmed anyway? > yes, a big hit would be a passenger set! > Jerry > > > > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> > > Date: 2005/04/19 Tue PM 08:43:19 EDT > > To: mtoytrain@... > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge MOW by western > depot > > > > I would have orderd a set if I knew about it when > I > > orderd the pacific. Maybe if we bug them enough > they > > might produce an inexpensive passenger car or two. > > > > > > --- mtoytrain@... wrote: > > > Bruce > > > > > > Yes they were in the Sales Paper of Western > Depot, > > > did you order any? Strange not in the catalog > by > > > Kline? but would be neat to have. > > > > > > Jerry Matsick > > > NASG > > > TCA 04-57715 > > > PCCW > > > > > > > > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> > > > > Date: 2005/04/19 Tue AM 12:13:00 EDT > > > > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge MOW by western > depot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any one seen the mow items offered by > western > > > > depot? > > > > > > > > They are k-line cars with the addition of what > > > looks > > > > like a boom car with a crane added to it. look > > > under s > > > > gauge and click on 4 packs on k-lines site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and > accessories > > > too! > > > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > to: > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35367	From: Phil K	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: About trains, but not about toy trains, not at all...

Somewhere I read that of all of the grade crossings in the U.S., about 70 percent are in the Chicago area. So, coupled with a portion of the populace that apparently still doesn't understand what flashing red lights, clanging bells and lowered gates means: From the Trains.com Newswire: April 19, 2005 >>CHICAGO — A 19-year-old bicyclist was killed Monday when he was hit by a Metra commuter train in Des Plaines about 6:50 p.m., according to a story in the Chicago Tribune and other sources. Three bicyclists were racing to beat a train approaching the Canadian National crossing at Oakton Street. Two of the cyclists went around the downed grade crossing gates and made it across the tracks, but the third, Ephrain Trejo-Patino of Des Plaines, was hit by Metra North Central Service train 113, said Metra spokesman Tom Miller. The train had departed Union Station at 6:17 p.m. and was due at its outer destination, Antioch, at 7:44 p.m. It was released after a delay of about 90 minutes. In a separate accident on Monday involving a Metra train, five people were injured when Metra Electric District train No. 339, operating on the South Chicago Branch bound from downtown Chicago to 93rd Street on the city's southeast side, collided with a vehicle at East 71st Street and South Bennett Avenue about 6:25 p.m., according to Chicago fire officials. The vehicle reportedly swerved around the railroad gates into the path of the train, Metra's Miller said. Two people had to be cut out of the car, which was lodged under the train. The car was dragged about 40 feet and destroyed. Three people were taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, and Stroger Hospital, all in serious condition. Two were taken to the University of Chicago Hospitals in good condition, Fire Department spokeswoman Rosa Escareno said. Emergency crews checked about 40 Metra passengers for injuries, but none were reported. All passengers were transferred to a following train, No. 341. Metra Electric's South Chicago branch, formerly owned by Illinois Central, operates at ground level in a median on the outer part of its route. The tracks are on ballast in an unpaved section protected on each side by concrete street curbs. Each cross street has crossing-gate protection. According to Metra's Miller, there have been 8 fatalities involving Metra trains systemwide on its 11 routes to date this year, down from 11 at this time in 2004.<< These type of stories always get maximum play in the Chicago media. There is also a group pushing to halt trains from blowing whistles at grade crossings in populated neighborhoods -- because they don't like the noise. If you buy a house near RR tracks, what do you expect? So despite a ton of media attention, whistles, gates, bells and flashing lights, the carnage continues. Sad, isn't it? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35368	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge MOW by western depot

Another option is to suggest to Lionel to do a Brownhoist in MOW. Or, buy a current issue and reletter to suit. Mighty nice crane car! Bob Bubeck In a message dated 4/20/2005 3:18:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, weidner@... writes: While looking through the k-line catolog I saw the crane car in their O gauge construction set appears another O gauge car with S-trucks on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35369	From: Phil K	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Corrected stats

Scratch out the 70 percent figure in my previous post. After more checking, I found out Illinois has about 15,000 of the nation's 168,000 railroad grade crossings. The original source I used has since corrected its stats. So Illinois has 8 percent of the nation's grade crossings, if my math serves well. However, here's where the stats may have gotten garbled: 70 percent of the 15,000 grade crossings in Illinois are in the Chicago area. FYI, Texas is number one is the US with 18,000 grade crossings in the state. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35370	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Rubber tubes

I had a similar problem. I discovered the tube is to stiff to flex as the loco rounds a curve. The original tube is much softer and bends a lot better in the curves. See if you can find a softer material. I was just thinking,---- heat shrink tube (electrical) of the correct diameter might work. There won.t be enough heat generated to make it shrink. Even if it did, smoke would still pass through it. I bet Doug Peck has a suitable tube for that loco. Roger Hinds Swing and Sway the S gauge way.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35371	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: SIT problems solved

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my problems with SIT engines. My Hudson is now chugging merrily along! Regards, John Harvey -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 14/04/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35372	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge MOW by western depot

Western Depot claims to have a delivery date july 1st on mow set but also listed as having 149 4 packs and 99 tank cars. Does this mean it is a small run or do they have some in hand now? I have still been bugging MTH every now and then about doing some S. --- rbubeck327@... wrote: > > > Another option is to suggest to Lionel to do a > Brownhoist in MOW. Or, buy a > current issue and reletter to suit. Mighty nice > crane car! > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 4/20/2005 3:18:18 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > weidner@... writes: > While looking through the k-line catolog I saw the > crane car in their O gauge > construction set appears another O gauge car with > S-trucks on it. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35373	From: keefer1	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: not S but TRAIN for the CA.Folks

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 35374	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2005
Subject: TCA YORK SHOW

Hello all, For those of you who are attending the York Shows next week, I will be set up at the Reliance Firehouse on Market Street (just about 1 block West of the Fairgrounds Market Street gate) from Monday thru 2pm Thursday, and in the Orange hall on the West wall next to K-line for the remainder of the week. We have a good load of new American Flyer parts in stock for this event, including complete Pull-mor wheels for 0-8-0, 4-8-4, and standard steamers as well. Items that we haven't had in awhile that are now back in good quantities are all the boiler fronts (including the 0-8-0), K-5 pilots, 4-8-4, 21085, and K-5 trailing trucks. See you all there.... Fred's Train Parts Fred Jester Chester, Pa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35375	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Decal maker sought

Good morning: In 2001 Tom Hawley put out a plea for prototype photos of decals people would like made. I responded with photos of the Iowa Traction Railroad. I put a ruler or yardstick in to each photo so each photo is 'self scaling'. Examples or rules exist for 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9. There was a lengthy discourse on sizes and how to produce a '7' as it is the only undefined digit. Dave Johnson (who owns Iowa Traction) even weighed in. Every six months or so I politely enquired about the prospect of Iowa Traction decals in the Oddball Line. (Like all e-mails related to my active projects, I have kept them.) I received Tom's final response less than a week ago. The message I got is that I am not a potential customer but a pest instead. I guess that ends that. I wanted to work with Tom as he sells decals in a multitude of scales. I have a number of HO friends who were waiting for Tom's announcement too. (Should Tom decide to produce the IATR decals, I hereby order 10 sets in S Scale.) I am hoping Tom will return my originals and my negatives so I can send them to an alternative maker. I did get them as double-prints so I have the second prints. I would still like to work with Tom but does anyone have a recommendation on a decal maker? Sad and discouraged, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35376	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Appology to Tom Hawley

I hereby publicly apologize for using the wrong last name. I was referring to Tom Stolte of Oddball Decals. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Mark Plank [mailto:tandocrr@...] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:30 PM To: Marty.Thorin; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Decal maker sought Is this Tom Hawley (Michigan Models) or Tom Stolte (Oddball Decals) you are referring to? Mark Plank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35377	From: stepdad56	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Re: Decal maker sought

Make your own. http://www.decalgear.com/DG/Category.asp?CatCode=DM_FEATURES

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35378	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: American Flyer Downunder

If anyone by some miracle happens to be near Melbourne, Australia on Sat. 30th April and Sun. 1st May we are having a small model railway show in the Beechworth Memorial Hall including my AF as well as Hornby O gauge and an HO exhibtion layout. Beechworth is an old gold mining town 3 hours north of Melbourne on a very good freeway. website: www.beechworth.net/memorialhall Thanks, John Harvey -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 14/04/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35379	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge Mow cars

--- The Western Depot <info@...> wrote: > These cars are going to be a limited one time run of > 150 4-pacs and 100 > extra tank cars. We expect delivery by the end of > summer. The order has > already been finalized with K-Line. > > On Apr 21, 2005, at 10:54 AM, bruce weidner wrote: > > > Is this a small one time run? Do you have any on > hand? > > We S gaugers on the S-trains list want to know if > it > > is a done deal and that if an order is placed will > it > > be filled or is it dependent on the number of > people > > ordering? > -- > The Western Depot invites you to visit its web site: > http://www.westerndepot.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35380	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/21/2005
Subject: S Scale PRR Head end train

Hi All, I had the chance to finally run my recently completed B60 fleet last night. It was an all brass train that, with tongue firmly in check, I called "the head end train at ate Cleveland"! Please give it a look. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRR_S_Scale_Head_End_Train.jpg The consist was: E7 A B A 6 B60/B60b including my PRSL B60 1 REA X29 1 P70 2 R50b 3 various milk cars It will look much better when I got more REA X29 in the mix. Somehow NYC power escaped the RIP track only to run at a distance from the Mighty PRR Power. There was plenty of Tuscan running to counteract the operations of the "evil grey empire" that ran last week! (:->) Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35381	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2645

Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:35:19 -0500 From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Subject: Decal maker sought: Marty: If you have the art work, buy decal paper & ink, compatible for your computer and print your own. I use a lot of sticky back decals, it is more available at office supply stores and will work with standard printer ink. Water type decal paper is difficult to find. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35382	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Bulkhead Flat Cars added to Showcase Line Internet Special

The Trailer on Flat Car "Four for price of Two" Special has worked out so well that Don decided to add Bulkhead Flat Cars. So buy two TOFCs, get two more TOFCs free. Buy two Bulkhead Flat Cars, get two more BHFCs free. Or you can mix: buy one TOFC and one BHFC, get one free TOFC and one free BHFC. Sale still ends April 30. Here's the link: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexTOFC.html Or call 800-465-0303 Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35383	From: Phil K	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Buying "factory sealed and unopened Flyer"

Hi all -- Was just surfing eBay and saw another "factory sealed & never opened" Flyer item (in this case, a mountain set). First let me say I am making no accusations or implying anything unethical with this or any other individual auction. But it got me thinking: Has anyone ever bought such an item -- where you couldn't see what's really inside the sealed cardboard box -- and opened it? I ask this because with the advent of spring, the con men/women are at it again in Chicago. You know, the old parking lot scam where they position themselves near a Best Buy or Circuit City and ask innocent passers-by "Are you looking for a great deal on a color TV?" They then take the sucker to a car or van where, inside, is a "factory-dealed 36-inch HDTV for $500." They always want cash, of course, saying "I won it at a raffle and already have a TV and would rather have the cash." Of course, the story always ends with the buyer taking it home and opening the huge box -- only to find an old TV or even a few concrete blocks. I grew up in a tough neighborhood, and learned at an early age "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." While we all are smart enough to take a pass on this type of cheap TV offer, there exist enough dummies to where it continues -- and quite successfully, I'm afraid. I once bought a "factory-sealed" (seller's words) boxed AF 640 hopper on eBay that was wrapped and sealed in cellophane. Got it for only $18, as most savvy buyers apparently were staying away -- I don't ever recall hearing that Gilbert wrapped individual cars in cellophane. But for that price, I thought I'd take a chance just for laughs. And guess what? Inside was a NOS 640 hopper in mint condition, just like the box I could see through the cellophane. So, my question is, any horror stories out there? Or if such "scam" items were being sold, and no one ever opened them because they were seeking to protect the "collector value" of an opened boxed item, do some of these things exist and just keep getting passed around from collector to collector -- since no one ever dares to open it? Waiting for snow tonight in Chicago, where it was 86 degrees on Monday, and wishing A.C. Gilbert had manufactured a toy x-ray machine so I could look inside "factory-dealed" boxes. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35384	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: New items--Blatant adv.

BLATANT AD: Just to announce that we have a couple of new items now in stock---- 1) Exact reproduction of the AC Gilbert R-2 6-wheel quartering tool for Pacific, Hudson, and K-5 engines; $79.00 PA12A208 pinion gear for the 740 handcar (this is the tiny axle gear that drives the large stamped meatl pump-gear) $6.00 2) We will have both of these available at York (PURPLE HALL) next weekend, as well as new dry transfers for circus engines, coaches, and flatcars; and silver dry transfers for the 1946 tenders. Hope to see you there. Also, please note----we will NOT be at the May S-Spree this year. Due to my wife's recent surgery and slow recovery, we have had to withdraw from the Spree this year. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35385	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: S-Gaugian

Hi crew, I let my Classic Toy Trains subscription expire. It just did not include enough Flyer info. for me to justify the subscription rate. Now my S-Gaugian subscription is expiring too. I need 10 reasons why I should pay $34 for 6 issues of this magazine. I've been frustrated with the amount of advertising Scenery Unlimited has in it while the publisher wants to raise the subscription price due to the cost of printing. Where have all the layout pictures gone? I have a small collection of S-Gauge Heralds that have a whole lot more useful Flyer information than current S-Gaugians. Talk to me people, Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35386	From: Phil K	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Oops

Sorry -- make that last line finish "factory-sealed", not "dealed." "How can I type the work "book" when there's only one "O" on this keyboard?" Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35387	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/22/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

How about we(s gaugers) start a new magizine dealing with all S gauge trains and all flyer(including O and wide gauge)as long as it is S or Flyer it is welcome. Have a column for collecting,operating,scale modeling and narrow gauge and a misculanious column for the odd O gauge, wide gauge or even Flyer Ho article. Will need to have a scale and a tinplate layout in each issue. How about names like Simpely Trains, The CroSS Bucks (capital SS for s scale), Mixed freight(for the misc. coulmn), aanyone else have any ideas? --- Jollivier4@... wrote: > > > Hi crew, > > I let my Classic Toy Trains subscription expire. It > just did not include > enough Flyer info. for me to justify the > subscription rate. > > Now my S-Gaugian subscription is expiring too. I > need 10 reasons why I > should pay $34 for 6 issues of this magazine. I've > been frustrated with the amount > of advertising Scenery Unlimited has in it while the > publisher wants to raise > the subscription price due to the cost of printing. > Where have all the > layout pictures gone? > > I have a small collection of S-Gauge Heralds that > have a whole lot more > useful Flyer information than current S-Gaugians. > > Talk to me people, > Jacques > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35388	From: Alfred Galli	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Af tunnel

I have just listed a 263 prewar AF tunnel for sale at www. traingon co. It is in marvelous condition. Is there a better place for info on prewar Flyer Al Galli > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35389	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Bruce After decades of O gauge railroading, I never saw the "S" people like I do now that I am one, We (S modelers) do need a magaize devoted just to Classic S Toy Trains, with all the different O manufactrers advertising and promoted thru article after article we need something. Jerry M > > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> > Date: 2005/04/23 Sat AM 12:05:40 EDT > To: Jollivier4@... > CC: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Gaugian > > > > How about we(s gaugers) start a new magizine dealing > with all S gauge trains and all flyer(including O and > wide gauge)as long as it is S or Flyer it is welcome. > Have a column for collecting,operating,scale modeling > and narrow gauge and a misculanious column for the odd > O gauge, wide gauge or even Flyer Ho article. Will > need to have a scale and a tinplate layout in each > issue. > > How about names like Simpely Trains, The CroSS Bucks > (capital SS for s scale), Mixed freight(for the misc. > coulmn), aanyone else have any ideas? > > > > > > --- Jollivier4@... wrote: > > > > > > Hi crew, > > > > I let my Classic Toy Trains subscription expire. It > > just did not include > > enough Flyer info. for me to justify the > > subscription rate. > > > > Now my S-Gaugian subscription is expiring too. I > > need 10 reasons why I > > should pay $34 for 6 issues of this magazine. I've > > been frustrated with the amount > > of advertising Scenery Unlimited has in it while the > > publisher wants to raise > > the subscription price due to the cost of printing. > > Where have all the > > layout pictures gone? > > > > I have a small collection of S-Gauge Heralds that > > have a whole lot more > > useful Flyer information than current S-Gaugians. > > > > Talk to me people, > > Jacques > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35390	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

bruce weidner wrote: >How about we(s gaugers) start a new magizine dealing >with all S gauge trains and all flyer(including O and >wide gauge)as long as it is S or Flyer it is welcome. > > Well, how about an online magazine rather than a paper one. Then it is free to everyone. But I can tell you as a website owner, it is all about content. Someone has to write the articles and take the photos. Publishing at least on the Internet is easy! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35391	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Dear Chuck, All this takes lots of work. It is easy to type ideas from a computer, making them happen is something else. The problem with pulp publications is the cost of production. Images look crappy on anything less than coated stock. Just about all magazines work by having ads. Trust me, our mfgs. do not need another place to spend advertising dollars. I like the idea of an internest forum. but again who will do the work? Don Chuck Harrington wrote: >...how about an online magazine rather than a paper one. Then it is >free to everyone.... > >Chuck > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35392	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Hi Chuck! Great idea! I'll start taking pictures of my store layout as I rebuild it and write an article for it. That sounds like fun. We will just need a place to post it. Let me know what you think. Chris Chuck Harrington <chuck@...> wrote: bruce weidner wrote: >How about we(s gaugers) start a new magizine dealing >with all S gauge trains and all flyer(including O and >wide gauge)as long as it is S or Flyer it is welcome. > > Well, how about an online magazine rather than a paper one. Then it is free to everyone. But I can tell you as a website owner, it is all about content. Someone has to write the articles and take the photos. Publishing at least on the Internet is easy! Chuck S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35393	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

I know Jacques, But its about all we've got. There have been some great issues over the years. Just pick and choose the ones you want from your hobby shop news stand if you can. Don has done a lot for S ga. over the years. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35394	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

And another thing, the cost is less than retail for one S-Helper freight car. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35395	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian, Flyer Collectors Newsletter

That was done, was called AmericanFlyerCollectorsClub (AFCC). Frank Hare from Pittsburgh, PA, was Editor, until failing eyesight forced him to give it up.. Pleas went out for help, none, or at least not enough was forthcoming to save it. Perhaps contacting Don (Heimburger personally with your concerns, ideas might be of help. It CAN'T be easy, producing a magazine constantly with a small readership potential. OFFER TO HELP and back it up. Publishing (and staying solvent) has to be a real chore. Mags need articles and photos to publish. Need a backlog to select from, depending on season. It must be easier to broaden a scope than start from nothing. Hoping to see Mr Hare Thursday at NTTM, to once again say "THANKS" for all his efforts on behalf of "THE BEST TOY TRAINS EVER MADE". Say that fast three times at NTTM. The LIONEL gods will frown upon you Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35396	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Since we are in the age of electronic communication why not create a magazine in electronic form and just email it to who ever wants it. That way there are no printing costs and if someone wants to add an article all they have to do is type it up and submit it. It can be zipped up and sent as one package. How about we(s gaugers) start a new magizine dealing with all S gauge trains and all flyer(including O and wide gauge)as long as it is S or Flyer it is welcome. Have a column for collecting,operating,scale modeling and narrow gauge and a misculanious column for the odd O gauge, wide gauge or even Flyer Ho article. Will need to have a scale and a tinplate layout in each issue. How about names like Simpely Trains, The CroSS Bucks (capital SS for s scale), Mixed freight(for the misc. coulmn), aanyone else have any ideas? --- Jollivier4@... wrote: > > > Hi crew, > > I let my Classic Toy Trains subscription expire. It > just did not include > enough Flyer info. for me to justify the > subscription rate. > > Now my S-Gaugian subscription is expiring too. I > need 10 reasons why I > should pay $34 for 6 issues of this magazine. I've > been frustrated with the amount > of advertising Scenery Unlimited has in it while the > publisher wants to raise > the subscription price due to the cost of printing. > Where have all the > layout pictures gone? > > I have a small collection of S-Gauge Heralds that > have a whole lot more > useful Flyer information than current S-Gaugians. > > Talk to me people, > Jacques > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 12:42:52 AM ET - 4/23/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35397	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

On the IP that I am connected to I have 10meg of free space plus I have web design experience I'm willing to start setting up for an online magazine as a volunteer John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: Chuck Harrington Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Gaugian Dear Chuck, All this takes lots of work. It is easy to type ideas from a computer, making them happen is something else. The problem with pulp publications is the cost of production. Images look crappy on anything less than coated stock. Just about all magazines work by having ads. Trust me, our mfgs. do not need another place to spend advertising dollars. I like the idea of an internest forum. but again who will do the work? Don Chuck Harrington wrote: >...how about an online magazine rather than a paper one. Then it is >free to everyone.... > >Chuck > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 8:33:55 AM ET - 4/23/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35398	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Jacques, You and I think alike. I let my CTT expire for the same reason, as 39.95 a year, for nothing I am interested in is too much. And I am thinking the same about S Gaugian, as I too, notice all the Scenery Unlimited ads and not much else. The only thing I would miss would be Bob Tufts column, but for 34.95, I can do with out it. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Gaugian > > > Hi crew, > > I let my Classic Toy Trains subscription expire. It just did not include > enough Flyer info. for me to justify the subscription rate. > > Now my S-Gaugian subscription is expiring too. I need 10 reasons why I > should pay $34 for 6 issues of this magazine. I've been frustrated with the amount > of advertising Scenery Unlimited has in it while the publisher wants to raise > the subscription price due to the cost of printing. Where have all the > layout pictures gone? > > I have a small collection of S-Gauge Heralds that have a whole lot more > useful Flyer information than current S-Gaugians. > > Talk to me people, > Jacques > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35399	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re;S-Gaugian

Y'all...Even though I am into multiple scales, I don't subscribe to Model Railroader, Classic Toy Trains, and a host of others because the content is nowhere close to being worth the subscription price, especially as they are stuffed with advertising. I DO buy magazines at the hobby shop if a particular issue has info that gets my attention, although the per issue price is ridiculous. If Model Railroader (defacto standard of model railroading publications)is supposed to be worth $39. per year for 12 issues, how can a six times a year magazine demand any more than half that? On the other side of the coin, the costs of EVERYTHING are up. And if you were to try to start up a magazine today, I think you'd find it a hell of a struggle. A small, enthusiast magazine would be even tougher as you are limited by the number of possible subscribers and folks who will write articles for you. My understanding is that S Gaugian and Scenery Unlimited are both part of the Heimberger operation, so their own ads are probably not paying revenue. I think we'll see many small magazines go under in the coming years due to costs and direct competition from the 500 pound gorilla of the information age...The Internet. Stumpy Stone...love to read, but can only afford so much...in Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35400	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Hi All: I pick up an S-Gaugian when it comes out every other month while i'm at the local hobby store. I enjoy the magazine but would like it to have more articles as some of you folks have mentioned. I took a little time this morning and compared it to another magazine we get, "Saveur", a cooking publication. Here's what i found: Total pages including inside front and back covers: S-G: 54, S: 106. Pages full of ads, no articles: S-G: 19, S: 29 % pages fully devoted to ads: S-G: 35%, S: 27%. Number of different advertisers: S-G: 45, S: 27. (Note: doesn't include the S-Ads/Dealer ads in the back of S-G or the comparable section in Saveur) Number of pages of THOSE ads: S-G: 2, S: 7 Self promotional ads: S-G: 8 S: 7. Pages half covered with ads, (a mix of articles & ads): S-G: 7, S: 2. Features/articles: S-G 19, S: 18 Number of Staff listed: S-G: 8, S: 33 So, what to make of this? Well, my first impression is that we have to wade through 8% more ads than the cooks do, but our ads represent a far wider cross section of interests and products than the cooks get to see, plus, we don't have to wade through Cadillac or diamond ads. And while we're talking about ads, there is some big money advertising to the cooks, Cadillac, Diamond Traders, the state of Oregon, JAguar, American Airlines, etc. I don't think Portlines or any of our other supporters pay quite the same rate for their space in S-G. So S-G has less resources due to it's subject matter. We get to read "the same" number of articles, but they are shorter and have less pictures. Pictures = Money. Just look at Life magazine today vs. 1962. Also, many of our articles are generated by hobbiests not "writers". Kudos to those creative souls and at the same time perhaps a notice should be taken by those of us who want to see more articles and less "other stuff". We need to write some articles and submit them to these publications. All magazines search for interesting articles to publish, train mags are no different. I've lost track of the number o times i've read a notice from a train mag publisher asking on one train board or the other for peoople to submit articles. What is the difference between getting fired up to do an internet rag article vs. sending an article to a mag for publication? The amount of effort and polish, the quality of the photographs required? I'm not sure about this one but if i was going to write "an article" for either one, i know it would take me a good while to put it together. So, why dilute our information base further by starting another source of information instead of supporting an already established source? Self promotion is about the same, though a greater percentage in S- G. If i remember my economics class correctly, if you've got a paying customer wanting space in your mag, vs running a self promotion, you run the paying customer's ad. Maybe you shink yours down and fit it in elsewhere. One last thing: the S-G staff listed is a fourth of the Saveur staff. I think the comparison to the old "Herald" magazine is unfair given today's economics. No publication today is what it used to be in the content vs. advert. ratio. And many of the "publications" i get at work are just collections of ads with thinly disquised "articles" promoting one of the advertiser's products or points of view. Also, there is a lot to learn about modeling that is not strictly S- gauge in nature. The railing about this mag's or that mag's not having enough S-gauge articles seems to imply that mag "A" has no value to our community. I think it does. I'm currently reading an article in Railroad Model Craftsman about meat packing plants to see how i can add this operation to one of my modules. ( BTW 27 full page ads out of 130 pages, 21%, but 36 half pages!) The promotion of S-gauge is an issue but if we really want to promote S-gauge, get an article published in Time magazine, Boys Life, Girl's Life, American Girl, Junior Scholastic, etc. We have to get outside of our hobby to show NEW people what a great hobby it is, and entice them into its clutches. Bwah-ha-ha! Y'all have a great day, it's 71 and sunny here today so i've GOT to go work in the yard! Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35401	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Don Thompson wrote: >Dear Chuck, > All this takes lots of work. It is easy to type ideas from a >computer, making them happen is something else. > I have seen http://www.MyFlyerTrains.org as becoming an online magazine someday. The front page of the site makes some attempts at this, but again it is all about content. I personally only have so much knowledge, and so much to say about S gauge trains. I have over 8.5 gigs of space that are fully funded from the banner ads at the top of the site. 8.5 gb is 8,500 mb for those who can't picture a gig; it is a lot of space! (The current published size of MyFlyerTrains.org is less than 500 mb!) The online magazine could start tomorrow; no additional advertisers are required! But again, it comes down to content. Someone has to write the stories, take the photos and submit them to me. If that happened, I would gladly publish them. When I can, I travel to York (meet does not allow photos though), train displays, or whatever I take photos that I can add to the web site. I live in Florida, and there is not a lot of S gauge stuff to photograph down here! I am starting to branch more into prototype size trains, because I can not get the amount of S gauge content I want to publish on the web site! Having said that, I enjoy having a magazine like S Gaugian. It is nice to have that stack of paper that you can take with with you where ever you go... I also enjoy The Dispatch...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35402	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Isn't this what Don Heimburger was doing when he started "s gaugian"? Perhaps he needs more material to publish. Have any of us been sending things he could publish? I remember that Bill Wade tried to do "S/Sn3 Modeling Guide" in strictly scale and ran out of stuff to put in it. The magazine has been sold and the new publisher is trying, it's still all scale. What I see is filling space with "in house" ads to avoid cutting size of the magazine till more material is ready to publish, but is he getting the material? jfred bruce weidner <weidner@...> wrote: How about we(s gaugers) start a new magizine dealing with all S gauge trains and all flyer(including O and wide gauge)as long as it is S or Flyer it is welcome. Have a column for collecting,operating,scale modeling and narrow gauge and a misculanious column for the odd O gauge, wide gauge or even Flyer Ho article. Will need to have a scale and a tinplate layout in each issue. How about names like Simpely Trains, The CroSS Bucks (capital SS for s scale), Mixed freight(for the misc. coulmn), aanyone else have any ideas? --- Jollivier4@... wrote: > > > Hi crew, > > I let my Classic Toy Trains subscription expire. It > just did not include > enough Flyer info. for me to justify the > subscription rate. > > Now my S-Gaugian subscription is expiring too. I > need 10 reasons why I > should pay $34 for 6 issues of this magazine. I've > been frustrated with the amount > of advertising Scenery Unlimited has in it while the > publisher wants to raise > the subscription price due to the cost of printing. > Where have all the > layout pictures gone? > > I have a small collection of S-Gauge Heralds that > have a whole lot more > useful Flyer information than current S-Gaugians. > > Talk to me people, > Jacques > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35403	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re;re;S-Gaugian

Y'all...I've been following this thread with interest. I believe we need to change the title to "State of the Hobby." It would appear that there are not enough people in S gauge as a whole for any single interest magazine to survive. Is the problem content vs. advertising? Would less color photography or loosing the slick paper to keep the price down be acceptable? (Would a less flashy magazine be acceptable to advertisers?) Less pages? What would it take for a limited interest magazine to survive in ever tightening economic times? Are there enough S gaugers willing to pay nearly $6.00 a copy SUBSCRIPTION price? We're talking about doing an internet magazine...direct competition to the print magazines without the production costs. Is this becoming the only economically feasable way for small segments of the hobby to do "magazines" in the future? Okay, I've stirred the pot again....opinions? Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35404	From: G C	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Well now, as far as people writing articles, the construction ones that are written are so edited down that they become unusable. To be specific, Don puts a topic on the cover like "build a this or that freight car", but when you turn to the page it is a one or at the most two page article that jumps from step one to about step 15. This is what I call "Watered Down Editing". I like to convert AF junkers to scale. That is my thing. Scratch/Bashing Yes, not everyone likes to do that, but I do. There is a place for all of us in the hobby and the magazine. Sounds like what some of you would like is a dedicated AF colum in the magazine. Thats OK for you folks if that is what you would desire. If I am going to continue paying for the magazine on a regular basis then I expect a bit more for my dollar. I don't collect AFas some, but I do enjoy reading about the origin of some of the cars amd locos. It is helpful to know which prototype this or that car or loco represents. Don does include that from time to time and I enjoy it. S is the minority of scales and we need to not split ourselves between scale, hi rail, AF or whatever. How can we make our feelings known to Don in a constructive way? I can't beieve a few more pages will break his piggy bank if he puts just one or two more pics in per issue either. One of a layout and one simple how did he do that drawing. That would make a better magazine. Gene Cimino __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35405	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Factory Sealed Trains

Phil K asked about "factory sealed & never opened" Flyer item. I, too, would be interested in others' experiences, and if there is, indeed, a group of items that gets passed (sold) around amongst different collectors. I do recall seeing an "L" engine at a train show some years ago (I think it was a 700E NYC Hudson) that was in the original sealed box, and the seller had an X-ray with it to show what was inside. Not being an "L" devotee, I didn't look at it; now I wish I had! As I think about it, I'm not sure how much the X-ray would show. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35406	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

JFrederick Roberts wrote: >Isn't this what Don Heimburger was doing when he started "s gaugian"? Perhaps he needs more material to publish. Have any of us been sending things he could publish? > > My guess is that if the magazine is thin, it is because the material is not being submitted to be published!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35407	From: Phil K	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: S Gaugian

Speaking as an S gauger: 1) I plan on continuing my subscription to CTT, although I'm still waiting for a review on the Mikado. Yes, it could always be better for S gaugers. 2) I plan on NOT renewing my 3-year subscription to MR when it expires as it virtually ignores S. Should be retitled "HO, N and Z Model Railroader." Speaking as a person in the publishing business and a subscriber to S Gaugian, I offer these thoughts: 1) It is too expensive at $34 a year for six issues. That steep price is very restrictive to its circulation, and therefore the paid advertisers' exposure to S gaugers. 2) Much too heavy on Scenery Unlimited ads, which often directly compete with outside advertisers. 3) Overall "theme" wanders too much and lacks consistency. This may be because the editorial content is far too dependent on what stories are submitted by readers. Most magazines are able to stick to a specific, well-designed focus (theme) because they pay their writers, which S Gaugian does not. Paid writers work strictly on assignment, with stories all coordinated by the editor, geared to fit the publication's "theme." In other words, the next issue of S Gaugian will pretty much be whatever the readers send in. 4) Most manufacturers choose their advertising vehicles for one reason: which publication offers maximum exposure for the best price. Period. Readership is what publications offer to advertisers. More readership, more happy advertisers. While the ads printed on S Gaugian's slick stock may look pretty, if they're not being seen by enough people, they won't maximize the advertiser's exposure -- and sales. 5) I appreciate Bob Tufts' well-written, informative articles. But S Gaugian needs to quickly find a suitable replacement for the late Tom Jarcho, a wonderful man and very articulate writer whose contributions caused me to subscribe in the first place. I'm also a high railer/Flyer nut and feel S Gaugian needs to include more for me if I'm to stay interested. In a capsule, if S Gaugian could increase its circulation by reducing its price and by following a more specific (organized) theme, it could potentially make more money on subscription volume and also charge more for its advertising, as the manufacturers would ostensibly reap additional orders from the increased readership and stay happy. We publish a golf newspaper 16 times a year and print on 35-lb. groundwood, a higher-quality newsprint. The color pages look just fine, plus we don't have to charge as much as if we used coated stock. And therefore we are able to distribute 55,000 copies of each issue for FREE, because our advertisers (our only source of revenue) feel they're getting good value and stay with us year after year. My $0.02, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35408	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: A: Re: [S-Trains] RE: S Gaugian B: Re: how do you mount AM truck

I beleive that the s-trains list its self is worthy of a story as far as its begining and its diversity of members and the common thread tying us together. I would like to know the history of American models and S-helper as well. How about an article on 1:64 vehicles of the forties and fifties listing mfg. and model of car represented. A layout need not be a multi millioniar setup to be interesting. A simple loop or two with accessories or scenery is good enough for me. Anything flyer or gilbert related from wide gauge down to HO would get my attention as well. As for being a small group I can say that from being on an O gauge forum the last few weeks there was a lot of debate over S vs O and a lot of O gaugers said if the had the time and money to do it over again they would try S. There is hope for expansion but it will not come if we sit around and just wish for it. Bug K-line and MTH to try S and encourgh them to think less O with s trucks and more hirail/scale products. Sorry to change subjects but is it possible to mount AM or S-helper trucks to flyer gondolas? I have a flyer gondola and 6 castings of that gondola that need trucks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35409	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: A: Re: [S-Trains] RE: S Gaugian B: Re: how do you mount AM t

Bruce and discussion group S - Gaugian magazine, it isn't what I would want in my scale but it is better than nothing, I only wish it was monthly and had more articles and not so much commercialism. As a former O gauge 3 railer for 45 years this past year I sold all my O gauge collection of 60 old and new computerized TMCC and DCS engines and hundreds of cars for one reason and one reason only, I saw my first Shelper Showcaseline engine and the SHelper track and that convinced me that I wanted something new and refreshing. American Model has come on board and I have a number of their engines and cars as well Lionel's new Mikado is fantastic in S gauge too. Yes I have "converted" Flyer cars to SHelper trucks and they are fantastic. I honestly believe more guys willl convert to S if it was put before them. Don Thompson of SHelper and the gentlemen at American Models have provided a large selection of "Scale" S gauge products and I think they are just great Jerry Matsick (York bound) TCA 04-57715 NASG > > > > I beleive that the s-trains list its self is worthy of > a story as far as its begining and its diversity of > members and the common thread tying us together. > > I would like to know the history of American models > and S-helper as well. > > > How about an article on 1:64 vehicles of the forties > and fifties listing mfg. and model of car represented. > > A layout need not be a multi millioniar setup to be > interesting. A simple loop or two with accessories or > scenery is good enough for me. Anything flyer or > gilbert related from wide gauge down to HO would get > my attention as well. > > As for being a small group I can say that from being > on an O gauge forum the last few weeks there was a lot > of debate over S vs O and a lot of O gaugers said if > the had the time and money to do it over again they > would try S. There is hope for expansion but it will > not come if we sit around and just wish for it. Bug > K-line and MTH to try S and encourgh them to think > less O with s trucks and more hirail/scale products. > > Sorry to change subjects but is it possible to mount > AM or S-helper trucks to flyer gondolas? I have a > flyer gondola and 6 castings of that gondola that need > trucks. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35410	From: beebear	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

When I could find them, I used to go through the S Gaugian and look at the articles before I bought the magazine. Not every issue had what I wanted or needed. If we set up an on-line magazine, I could pick and choose what I wanted to capture or download for future use. Also with it being on-line the details could be as long or short as needed. If an article or monthly issue got too large, it could be zipped up for download and unzipped off-line. There could be sections for all of the S gauge fans. I feel with all the talent we have here it could be done and done well. It would be nice to be able have a central location for all facets of S gauge. ----- Original Message ----- From: G C To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: S Gaugian Well now, as far as people writing articles, the construction ones that are written are so edited down that they become unusable. To be specific, Don puts a topic on the cover like "build a this or that freight car", but when you turn to the page it is a one or at the most two page article that jumps from step one to about step 15. This is what I call "Watered Down Editing". I like to convert AF junkers to scale. That is my thing. Scratch/Bashing Yes, not everyone likes to do that, but I do. There is a place for all of us in the hobby and the magazine. Sounds like what some of you would like is a dedicated AF colum in the magazine. Thats OK for you folks if that is what you would desire. If I am going to continue paying for the magazine on a regular basis then I expect a bit more for my dollar. I don't collect AFas some, but I do enjoy reading about the origin of some of the cars amd locos. It is helpful to know which prototype this or that car or loco represents. Don does include that from time to time and I enjoy it. S is the minority of scales and we need to not split ourselves between scale, hi rail, AF or whatever. How can we make our feelings known to Don in a constructive way? I can't beieve a few more pages will break his piggy bank if he puts just one or two more pics in per issue either. One of a layout and one simple how did he do that drawing. That would make a better magazine. Gene Cimino __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 7:26:47 PM ET - 4/23/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35411	From: cheri221@comcast.net	Date: 4/23/2005
Subject: Southern California

My husband and I will be visiting the Anaheim area mid-May. Are there any S shops/layouts for us to see? Thanks, Cheri Warner Auburn, WA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35412	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

The one thing that led us to let our subscriptions to CTT and S Gaugian expire had nothing to do with the amount of ads. If advertising helps keep a publication afloat, fine with me. Lack of pertinent, or at least interesting content is a much more relevant issue. If a mag has no interesting or usable info in it, it doesn't make any difference how much or how little advertising there is. Price is another thing. It seemed as though the more we were forced to pay, the less mag we'd get. With BOTH publications. CTT went first, then SG a couple years later. But another critical issue gradually forced its way into my attention, and it was underlined when we had to move a couple years ago: storage. We first subscribed to S Gaugian in late 1986, and CTT in the late '80s. Over fifteen+ years, the paper began to pile up, and up and up. When we moved, it all turned out to take up more space than we could allot, even though the stacks weren't growing anymore. Sometimes I'd consider resubbing to SG, but where would we put it? Our entrance into cyberspace in 1997 slammed the door. Even without an "official" online mag, it's still easier to locate specific info on the 'net than searching through stacks of paper in a store. Interaction is much easier as well. It's very straightforward to post pix on the web, why spend $ to send them to a mag editor? I have much more control over how they look on the 'net anyway. Same with "opinion" giving. Much easier and faster to post in a forum than send a "letter to the editor". And though ads don't prevent me from buying a paper mag, I sure don't need them to find out what's new and exciting in S. Just perusing AM's and SHS's websites shows me more than I can afford. Most of the reputable dealers have their own sites too. What do I need more paper ads laying around for? I'm not saying paper mags are obsolete (yet), and I haven't (yet) ruled out getting a specific issue every now and then when an article addresses somthing I need to know. But that's far less likely to happen nowadays than it was even five years ago, let alone ten. Even if I did buy a mag, it would more likely be something like RMC or Mainline Modeller, not SG or CTT. Bottom line for me: An online mag? Useful, maybe. Another PAPER mag? Not useful. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35413	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

I"m confused; if there is nothing in the mags you're interested in, then why keep them? You can always disassemble them, take out what you do want to keep, and pitch the rest. I"ve done that for 39 years now, and still have a manageable volume of printed matter. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35414	From: roy inman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

For the past couple of years I have been scanning in just the articles that interest me, creating folders for "tree making," "track balasting," etc., and keeping them on one of my three external hard drives. I do likewise with the wonderful tips from this and the S Scale list. Then I take the mags to train shows and give them away. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 4/24/05 9:11 AM, paflyrman at 4567@... wrote: > > > > I"m confused; if there is nothing in the mags you're interested in, > then why keep them? You can always disassemble them, take out what you > do want to keep, and pitch the rest. I"ve done that for 39 years now, > and still have a manageable volume of printed matter. > > paflyrman > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35415	From: roy inman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian

Phil, et al, Appreciate your comments, especially from an insiders viewpoint. Your post certainly makes a lot of sense. I guess my only question (and I really don't know the answer) is, are there actually more than the 7,000 or so serious S modelers willing to subscribe even at a much lower price? Maybe someone could tell us how many are members of NASG, which might offer a clue. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:20:25 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > In a capsule, if S Gaugian could increase its circulation by > reducing its price and by following a more specific (organized) > theme, it could potentially make more money on subscription volume > and also charge more for its advertising, as the manufacturers would > ostensibly reap additional orders from the increased readership and > stay happy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35416	From: Ronald Inscho	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian / nasg members

Why not create / take a poll ? then We will know . Ron Inscho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35417	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

I have been reading the thread about the S Gaugian and the idea of starting an online magazine. My opinion of the S Gaugian is that although it is somewhat high in annual subscription cost, it is not unreasonable for a dedicated S magazine that caters specifically to a narrow fringe of the model railroading hobby. Think of the percentage of any other model train magazine (CTT, MR, etc) that covers multiple gauges and then figure out how much you're paying for the one or two articles per month (sometimes zero) that deal with S. My only real complaint with the S Gaugian is that I think editorially Don tries to push it more in the direction of S scale than most of his subscribers want (I think most are into AF or hirail). And I agree with Don T's comments that the cost of putting out a quality print magazine aren't cheap. The attention to detail required to do proper page layouts, edit written submissions for grammar, and generate book and product reviews far exceeds what a "casual" publisher would be willing to do. Don has at least one professional journalist on his staff. It's far more work to do it right than to simply type up a few articles every issue. I have seen enthusiast magazines in other hobbies and believe me, it is rare to find one as well done as S Gaugian. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35418	From: JMatt	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-train members and York

Just inquiring how many S-train members will be in York this coming week, look forward to meeting and talking with as many as possible. I will be staying at the Super 8 at Arsenal just off I-83 Jerry Matsick - NASG TCA 05-57715

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35419	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Saving S Gaugian Articles

I basically save my articles in three different catagories in 3 ring binders: collecting articles(such as those by Bob Tufts and all of his predecessors), repair articles such as those by the late Tom Jarcho, and misc articles such as kit bashing, etc. Some are even old S Gauge Herald articles as I was also around way back then. There is nothing gospel about it, you could have more or less catagories as you see fit. I have even saved a few mags in their entirety because of specific content. The important point is that what I am not interested in I pitch out, so I am not concerned about storing excess volumes of old magazines. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35420	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-train members and York

I'll be there Wednesday, staying at the Days Inn on Arsenal (if it ever stops snowing here!) ;-). Look forward to getting together. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH At 03:24 PM 4/24/2005, JMatt wrote: >Just inquiring how many S-train members will be in York this coming >week, look forward to meeting and talking with as many as possible. >I will be staying at the Super 8 at Arsenal just off I-83 > > >Jerry Matsick - NASG >TCA 05-57715 > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35421	From: Phil K	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: K-Line sets etc

Any of our family dealers know a timetable for K-Line shipping the new sets and locomotives? Just wondering. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35422	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE"S"

Hi Roy, My last count was 1800 NASG members some of which would not buy any magazine. S-Gaugian had hoped to reach the mass S gauge crowd but their published distribution is only about 5,000 copies. I know there are close to 100,000 people who own an American Flyer train as many of them say hello at our local train shows but they won't join or buy anything. If you can't committ to sell 100,000\ subscriptions you might as well copy newsletters like our club does. Perhaps if info was made availabe to all local clubs for their newsletters that may be the way to go. There are some fine color newsletters out there. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > > Phil, et al, > Appreciate your comments, especially from an insiders viewpoint. Your post > certainly makes a lot of sense. > I guess my only question (and I really don't know the answer) is, are there > actually more than the 7,000 or so serious S modelers willing to subscribe > even at a much lower price? Maybe someone could tell us how many are members > of NASG, which might offer a clue. > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:20:25 +0000 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > > > In a capsule, if S Gaugian could increase its circulation by > > reducing its price and by following a more specific (organized) > > theme, it could potentially make more money on subscription volume > > and also charge more for its advertising, as the manufacturers would > > ostensibly reap additional orders from the increased readership and > > stay happy. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35423	From: Phil K	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?

Does anyone know approximately how many people own, model, operate or collect S gauge in this country? That number will someday include everyone new to S that buys one of the new K-Line sets for themselves or a child as soon as they hit the stores. I've heard guesstimates ranging from 3,500 on the low end to over 100,000, but never a reasonably convincing, accurate number. Arriving at a figure is difficult, I suppose. There are a ton of Flyer and S buyers/sellers on eBay. They do not all belong to the NASG or local clubs or subscribe to any magazines. In our club, the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers, we now have 59 members at last count. That in a major metro area with close to 7 million people. And I'd say 15 percent of CASG members at most also belong to the NASG. In my huge TCA club (Midwest Division) I'd say there are a 15-20 or so S folks, not a high percentage in an organization that is ultra-heavy on 3-rail. But at trains shows I meet many people who have S that aren't in any clubs. You can't use magazine polls from the likes of Model Railroader, CTT, etc., to gauge a total number, either, because they don't cater to S folks and so we stay away in droves. Many previous posts on this board prove that. Just wondering again, Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@v...> wrote: > > Hi Roy, > > My last count was 1800 NASG > members some of which would > not buy any magazine. S-Gaugian > had hoped to reach the mass > S gauge crowd but their published > distribution is only about 5,000 > copies. I know there are close > to 100,000 people who own an > American Flyer train as many of > them say hello at our local train > shows but they won't join or buy > anything. > > If you can't committ to sell 100,000\ > subscriptions you might as well copy > newsletters like our club does. Perhaps > if info was made availabe to all > local clubs for their newsletters > that may be the way to go. There > are some fine color newsletters > out there. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@e...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:21 AM > Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > > > > > > > Phil, et al, > > Appreciate your comments, especially from an insiders viewpoint. Your post > > certainly makes a lot of sense. > > I guess my only question (and I really don't know the answer) is, are > there > > actually more than the 7,000 or so serious S modelers willing to subscribe > > even at a much lower price? Maybe someone could tell us how many are > members > > of NASG, which might offer a clue. > > Roy Inman > > > > ---------- > > > From: Phil K <waldootten@a...> > > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:20:25 +0000 > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > > > > > In a capsule, if S Gaugian could increase its circulation by > > > reducing its price and by following a more specific (organized) > > > theme, it could potentially make more money on subscription volume > > > and also charge more for its advertising, as the manufacturers would > > > ostensibly reap additional orders from the increased readership and > > > stay happy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35424	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: NP SET FOR SALE LTI

I Have an LTI NP set for sale. The Full set +B unit +2pass cars. All new in the box. $750+shipping ($25 includes ins.) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35425	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

Here is a man that shares the hobby with others, I also thin out the magizines after a while by giving them to others will give the next batch to the community center in my area for the kids and seniors who use it. --- roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > > For the past couple of years I have been scanning in > just the articles that > interest me, creating folders for "tree making," > "track balasting," etc., > and keeping them on one of my three external hard > drives. I do likewise > with the wonderful tips from this and the S Scale > list. Then I take the mags > to train shows and give them away. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > on 4/24/05 9:11 AM, paflyrman at 4567@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > I"m confused; if there is nothing in the mags > you're interested in, > > then why keep them? You can always disassemble > them, take out what you > > do want to keep, and pitch the rest. I"ve done > that for 39 years now, > > and still have a manageable volume of printed > matter. > > > > paflyrman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35426	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: Re: Saving S Gaugian Articles

I often cut out and save pages of special interest for future reference, especially product reviews if I think I may want to make the plunge in the future. ... But if I do not cut anything out, and if I do not want to keep the magazine, I take it like reading material to the YMCA and when finished with my workout, place it in the magazine racks. Maybe someone who had American Flyer as a child will pick it up and read with interest that he can still buy American Flyer, and preferably, better than Flyer stuff that is compatible with Flyer. Maybe all these go to the garbage can unread, but its better than my putting it into the garbage can. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35427	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2005
Subject: NP SET FOR SALE LTI

The LTI NP set may be sold. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35428	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: [On30conspiracy] Dang! Its snowing in April!!!

Gal'S", 1000 Apologies! I did not mean to leave you out on my last post! Don Munsey, Jr Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. Subject: Fw: [On30conspiracy] Dang! Its snowing in April!!! > Hey Guy'S', > > FYI! > > One of the On30 bunch is at it again -- A bit short in 1:64 - but may be a > fun car!! > > 1:64 Dimensions from later On30 posts: > > Length: 24' (4.5" actual) > Width: 10' (1-7/8" actual) > Height: 10.67' (2" actual - without trucks) > > Spartan Kit (frame, 2 sides, 2 ends and 2 slope sheets) in resin. > > Kit Price $15 > > Bart already has 25 or 30 cars asked for (not including the 3 I just > reserved)! > > Don Munsey, Jr > Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of > Louisiana. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bart Salmons" <shayguru@...> >> To: <On30conspiracy@yahoogroups.com>; <FinescaleOn30@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:59 AM >> Subject: [On30conspiracy] Dang! Its snowing in April!!! >> >> >>> >>> Well I had planned on working on the 7/8 scale layout this weekend, but >>> after two weeks of 80 plus, it drops into the 30's and we got snow! >>> What to do? Retreat into The Shops and work on some freight cars. >>> Heres a wooden car based on an N&W prototype. I've created masters for >>> the car, and and frame, and amcasting them as I go. These are the first >>> test castings assembled. Incidentally, Im considering offering these as >>> a kit or built up models if anyone is interested, would be a limited run >>> at best.... >>> >>> http://www.trainweb.org/wcng/On30/type3hopper/type301.jpg >>> >>> Casting is a slow process, while waiting for the resin to cure, which >>> takes a while at lower temperatures, I started assembling a 'steel' >>> hopper from leftover styrene and styrene shapes! >>> >>> http://www.trainweb.org/wcng/On30/steelhopper01.jpg >>> >>> >>> Bart Salmons >>> Western Consolidated >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35429	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Fw: [On30conspiracy] Dang! Its snowing in April!!!

Hey Guy'S', FYI! One of the On30 bunch is at it again -- A bit short in 1:64 - but may be a fun car!! 1:64 Dimensions from later On30 posts: Length: 24' (4.5" actual) Width: 10' (1-7/8" actual) Height: 10.67' (2" actual - without trucks) Spartan Kit (frame, 2 sides, 2 ends and 2 slope sheets) in resin. Kit Price $15 Bart already has 25 or 30 cars asked for (not including the 3 I just reserved)! Don Munsey, Jr Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bart Salmons" <shayguru@...> > To: <On30conspiracy@yahoogroups.com>; <FinescaleOn30@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:59 AM > Subject: [On30conspiracy] Dang! Its snowing in April!!! > > >> >> Well I had planned on working on the 7/8 scale layout this weekend, but >> after two weeks of 80 plus, it drops into the 30's and we got snow! What >> to do? Retreat into The Shops and work on some freight cars. Heres a >> wooden car based on an N&W prototype. I've created masters for the car, >> and and frame, and amcasting them as I go. These are the first test >> castings assembled. Incidentally, Im considering offering these as a kit >> or built up models if anyone is interested, would be a limited run at >> best.... >> >> http://www.trainweb.org/wcng/On30/type3hopper/type301.jpg >> >> Casting is a slow process, while waiting for the resin to cure, which >> takes a while at lower temperatures, I started assembling a 'steel' >> hopper from leftover styrene and styrene shapes! >> >> http://www.trainweb.org/wcng/On30/steelhopper01.jpg >> >> >> Bart Salmons >> Western Consolidated >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35430	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

paflyrman wrote: >I"m confused; if there is nothing in the mags you're interested in, >then why keep them? That's not the question. The question is: Why pay all that money for something I'm going to throw away? Or keep 10% of? The point is, it isn't worth the $. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35431	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: NP LTI SET

The NP set has been sold. Thank you, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35432	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE"S"

I'm a bit surprised that the NASG Dispatch hasn't been part of the discussion on magazines and their "S" contents. As mentioned by Glenn, we have 1800+ members, but I don't know how many of the members of this train list are also NASG members. However, for our yearly dues of $20, we publish about as good an S-only mag that you can get. I'm not trying to "sell" memberships, but $20 is less than a years subscription to all the other magazines. The mainline mags like MR, RMC, etc. will always cater to the main scales and throw S a crumb once in a while, but is that worth all that money for a subsription? If I were following this thread and wanted to get the most bang for my buck"S", I would plunk $20 down and join the NASG just to get the Dispatch 6 times a year. John Foley or myself would be glad to mail a sample issue of the Dispatch to anyone who wants to check it out. Roy Hoffman NASG Pres.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35433	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: K-Line Dates

"Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote: <<Subject: K-Line sets etc << <<Any of our family dealers know a timetable for K-<<Line shipping the new sets and locomotives? << <<Just wondering. << Sets are due in September. Individual locos are due in August. However, these dates depend on the supplier, shipments from China, etc. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35434	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?

Hi Phil, You pose an impossible question. One would have to put the question on the US National Census and even that would not tell you much as those people still would not buy a magazine. Your club, my club and many local S gauge clubs have made S known locally. We set up at restaurants, nursing homes and reach most of our community so if they have old American Flyer they have heard of us and the NASG. There are 5 clubs serving the Philadelphia area. The Atlantic Coast clubs reach from Virginia to Florida. S clubs & the NASG have done about all they can to reach interested modelers. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". Staying on the NPSG branch line of NASG track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US? > > > > Does anyone know approximately how many people own, model, operate > or collect S gauge in this country? That number will someday include > everyone new to S that buys one of the new K-Line sets for > themselves or a child as soon as they hit the stores. > > I've heard guesstimates ranging from 3,500 on the low end > to over 100,000, but never a reasonably convincing, accurate > number. > > Arriving at a figure is difficult, I suppose. There are a ton of > Flyer and S buyers/sellers on eBay. They do not all belong to the > NASG or local clubs or subscribe to any magazines. > > In our club, the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers, we now have > 59 members at last count. That in a major metro area with close to 7 > million people. And I'd say 15 percent of CASG members at most also > belong to the NASG. In my huge TCA club (Midwest Division) I'd say > there are a 15-20 or so S folks, not a high percentage in an > organization that is ultra-heavy on 3-rail. But at trains shows I > meet many people who have S that aren't in any clubs. > > You can't use magazine polls from the likes of Model Railroader, > CTT, etc., to gauge a total number, either, because they don't cater > to S folks and so we stay away in droves. Many previous posts on > this board prove that. > > Just wondering again, > > Phil K > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@v...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Roy, > > > > My last count was 1800 NASG > > members some of which would > > not buy any magazine. S-Gaugian > > had hoped to reach the mass > > S gauge crowd but their published > > distribution is only about 5,000 > > copies. I know there are close > > to 100,000 people who own an > > American Flyer train as many of > > them say hello at our local train > > shows but they won't join or buy > > anything. > > > > If you can't committ to sell 100,000\ > > subscriptions you might as well copy > > newsletters like our club does. Perhaps > > if info was made availabe to all > > local clubs for their newsletters > > that may be the way to go. There > > are some fine color newsletters > > out there. > > > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@e...> > > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:21 AM > > Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil, et al, > > > Appreciate your comments, especially from an insiders viewpoint. > Your post > > > certainly makes a lot of sense. > > > I guess my only question (and I really don't know the answer) > is, are > > there > > > actually more than the 7,000 or so serious S modelers willing to > subscribe > > > even at a much lower price? Maybe someone could tell us how many > are > > members > > > of NASG, which might offer a clue. > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Phil K <waldootten@a...> > > > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:20:25 +0000 > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > > > > > > > In a capsule, if S Gaugian could increase its circulation by > > > > reducing its price and by following a more specific (organized) > > > > theme, it could potentially make more money on subscription > volume > > > > and also charge more for its advertising, as the manufacturers > would > > > > ostensibly reap additional orders from the increased > readership and > > > > stay happy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35435	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE"S"

Roy, I apologize for not including the Dispatch and the NASG specifically in my last post. Mia culpa. I do recall now that John Foley sent me a bunch of promo material for a train show our local group staged several years ago. And of course information about NASG and the Dispatch, with samples, should definitely be included in any informational table at for visitors. Roy Inman on 4/25/05 7:08 AM, Roy Hoffman at rhoffman@... wrote: > > > > I'm a bit surprised that the NASG Dispatch hasn't been part of the > discussion on magazines and their "S" contents. As mentioned by Glenn, > we have 1800+ members, but I don't know how many of the members of > this train list are also NASG members. However, for our yearly dues of > $20, we publish about as good an S-only mag that you can get. I'm not > trying to "sell" memberships, but $20 is less than a years > subscription to all the other magazines. The mainline mags like MR, > RMC, etc. will always cater to the main scales and throw S a crumb > once in a while, but is that worth all that money for a subsription? > If I were following this thread and wanted to get the most bang for my > buck"S", I would plunk $20 down and join the NASG just to get the > Dispatch 6 times a year. John Foley or myself would be glad to mail a > sample issue of the Dispatch to anyone who wants to check it out. > > Roy Hoffman > NASG Pres. > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35436	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?

I've been following this thread on S gauge magazines with a great deal of interest. I produce a line of Hi-rail turnouts and trackwork and have been wondering where to put my advertising dollars. I've read there are maybe 1800 in the NASG, maybe S Gaugian has a circulation of 5000 and maybe there are close to 1000 on this list... not very encouraging. Yet, there are purported to be somewhere between 30,000 and 60,000 S gaugers. Am I missing something or is there a disconnect here? If you wanted to reach the greatest number of S gaugers, where would you go-- Phil K makes some very good points, however when I look at the numbers, I don't see that a lowering of the S Gaugian price would increase subscriptions. At $20/year, you can't beat the Dispatch, yet only 1800 subscribe. Maybe the question is who is an S gauger? Where does the 30,000 to 60,000 figure come from? I'm wondering too. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35437	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?

Glenn, I applaud your work at spreading the word about S!! Our small Kansas City S Gaugers tries to do the same thing. But we do not promote the S Gaugain magazine or any other publication. If someone asks specifically where S stuff can be bought, we then verbally direct them to some of our various suppliers, such as Joe, Doug and Scenery Unlimited and will then mention the S Gaugain. What might give us some vague idea of how many people would be interested in pursuing the hobby further, which might include subscribing to a magazine, is if we all created a mailing/e-list of names at our layouts when we set up. That way, interested parties could sign up to "receive more information about the club, to receive occasional mailings or emails from S suppliers." Include a line asking for their permission to forward their contact information to S suppliers ONLY. And indicate no insurance salesmen, no freelance photographers, for example, (nothing against either of those fine groups of professionals) or any other party will receive their names and contact information. The purpose of the list is strictly to "gauge the level of interest in S." Maybe your groups already do this, and if so, you are way ahead of me. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 4/25/05 8:06 AM, Glenn Ritter at gartrain@... wrote: > The Atlantic Coast clubs reach from Virginia > to Florida. S clubs & the NASG have done > about all they can to reach interested modelers. > > "You can lead a horse to water but you > can't make him drink". > > Staying on the NPSG branch line of > NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35438	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Recycling 'S' magazines...

A couple of recent posts suggested taking previously read and unwanted 'S' magazines (such as S Gaugian and the Dispatch) to community centres and the YMCA rather than tossing them in the garbage. Another suggestion might be to check with your dentist's office, doctor's office or medical clinic to inquire about recycling these publications in their waiting room magazine racks. It's just another way to reach people to let them know that the world of 'S' is alive and available today. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35439	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Recycling 'S' magazines...

What a great idea Bruce!! I am going to pursue that today. Thanks :) Roy Inman on 4/25/05 10:33 AM, Bruce Papky at bpapky@... wrote: > Another suggestion might be to check with your dentist's office, doctor's > office or medical clinic to inquire about recycling these publications in > their waiting room magazine racks. It's just another way to reach people to > let them know that the world of 'S' is alive and available today.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35440	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?

Dear Tom, This is not a new question, but one that has been around for as long as I have followed our favorite scale. I am sure no one knows for sure. A few years back, CTT did a survey of their readers and found that a good percentage of them had an interest in S. This translated into a number about twice as large as the S Gaugian subscriber base. I think a more important number is how many people ever owned AF. This is our prime market for "Born Again S Gaugers". I know when we go over the numbers at the end of the year, it is the customers that have only been purchasing the last few years that buy most of our stuff. Many of my long time "S" friends have become very selective over their purchase as they have lots of trains sitting on shelves, under beds or or still in boxes. This comes to where is the best place to advertise. A real hard question and I think most of "S"gauge advertisers dollars go to preaching to the choir and not finding new customers. We have looked at outside publications, but the rates are sky high. Don Thomas Stoltz wrote: >I've been following this thread on S gauge magazines with a great deal of interest. I produce a line of Hi-rail turnouts and trackwork and have been wondering where to put my advertising dollars. > >I've read there are maybe 1800 in the NASG, maybe S Gaugian has a circulation of 5000 and maybe there are close to 1000 on this list... not very encouraging. Yet, there are purported to be somewhere between 30,000 and 60,000 S gaugers. > >Am I missing something or is there a disconnect here? If you wanted to reach the greatest number of S gaugers, where would you go-- > >Phil K makes some very good points, however when I look at the numbers, I don't see that a lowering of the S Gaugian price would increase subscriptions. At $20/year, you can't beat the Dispatch, yet only 1800 subscribe. > >Maybe the question is who is an S gauger? Where does the 30,000 to 60,000 figure come from? > >I'm wondering too. > >Tom Stoltz >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35441	From: beebear	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US?

Thomas I would venture to say in this modern age of communication that the younger populous may be searching for information on the internet rather than leaf through magazines. I know I do. Getting info there means I can find archived and up to date information. As an example, I just went to The Showcase Line site and found out about the 2 for 1 sale. You wouldn't see that in a mag until it was too late. I feel if we start an online magazine for S gauge we could have archived info, new info AND advertisers included. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US? I've been following this thread on S gauge magazines with a great deal of interest. I produce a line of Hi-rail turnouts and trackwork and have been wondering where to put my advertising dollars. I've read there are maybe 1800 in the NASG, maybe S Gaugian has a circulation of 5000 and maybe there are close to 1000 on this list... not very encouraging. Yet, there are purported to be somewhere between 30,000 and 60,000 S gaugers. Am I missing something or is there a disconnect here? If you wanted to reach the greatest number of S gaugers, where would you go-- Phil K makes some very good points, however when I look at the numbers, I don't see that a lowering of the S Gaugian price would increase subscriptions. At $20/year, you can't beat the Dispatch, yet only 1800 subscribe. Maybe the question is who is an S gauger? Where does the 30,000 to 60,000 figure come from? I'm wondering too. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 11:08:59 AM ET - 4/25/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35442	From: beebear	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: Recycling 'S' magazines...

Another idea might be to circulate them through the members here. I would be willing to pay shipping for unwanted s gauge publications. Since I'm just getting started in the design for my layout any info would be great!! john frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Papky To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Recycling 'S' magazines... A couple of recent posts suggested taking previously read and unwanted 'S' magazines (such as S Gaugian and the Dispatch) to community centres and the YMCA rather than tossing them in the garbage. Another suggestion might be to check with your dentist's office, doctor's office or medical clinic to inquire about recycling these publications in their waiting room magazine racks. It's just another way to reach people to let them know that the world of 'S' is alive and available today. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 11:45:52 AM ET - 4/25/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35443	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.

Years ago after the original S Gauge hearald folded, someone else restarted the publication. It was claimed to be the largest publication about trains. It was, by outside demensions. Not by circulation. The articles in the following issues were complete copies of the previous publishers articles. Identical diagrams and text. That was a turn off. I realize newcomers need the info from older magazines. There is a lot of good stuff to learn from. A lot of effort was put into them. Younger guys may like a magazine on a cd. I prefer the paper version. Sometimes something about a magazine can turn off a lot of people. It may be the style is out- dated. Black and white is out. Everyone wants color. I know, -- that means more expense. Searching for a cheap way to print in color may turn up an affordable way to do it. A cheap computer printer will mean expensive color cartridges. Also how many copies will the printer put out before the cartridge needs replacing. About people that don't buy. They may be at the show just to get modeling ideas. Some of them are in other scale checking out the "S" gauge items. Many can't afford the high prices dealers ask for given items. Some dealers ask the original price for an outdated magazine. Some shows have good prices. Some don't. I went to a show in Mass. I found there is a lot of "S" out there at reasonable prices. I noticed there was no structures for sale it the "S" tables. Wanabe"S" interest will be turned off because there aren't many items to build a town with. (unless there is something I do not know about) The Bristol "S" gaugers bring a nice layout to shows, so that helps. There are ways to generate strong interest. It will take a person with strong determination and a lot of clout to give "S" gauge a big boost. For instance: Suppose "S" gauge was snuck into a movie. A big screen movie! It could be done. Or it could be a feature on a family TV show. Dad on the show is strongly into "S" gauge. So during each episode the kids have to go to Dad's TV room to discuss personal problems. How about a movie that a million dollars worth of trains were stolen. One train is "S" gauge made of solid gold. HEY! ---- Valuable collections do get stolen. Of course the owner must be Tom Cruise or other popular star. Anyone want to write the script. ;o) Roger Hinds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35444	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge in the movies

How about a Willy wonka type movie about a toy company struggeling in the toy train market against a big giant manufacture that has lost sight of the "toy" concept and evilly makes and prices things out of the common man's and their kids reach. Don't worry this small company holds a contest and gives a select group of kids a tour of their facilities and the "bad" kids meet with irailronic endings and the last kid standing gets a life time job of managing the plant by suggesting a switch to more realistic 2 rail S gauge format and more play value like his Dad's and Grandad's trains of old.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35445	From: roy inman	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.

Roger, we are on the same page, so to speak. I suspect it takes lots of bucks to get a product in a movie or TV series, unless the director or one of the leads has a particular fondness for that product. Regarding paper (analog) version magazines versus cyber (digital) ones: IMHO, there will always be paper magazines because biologically we are tactile primates and not only do we want to touch things, we must have it for our psychological survival. Typing on the keyboard as I am doing now just doesn't hack it. Then too, a paper magazine is more portable. Even using a mini-laptop, it is still far more bulky and awkward than a CD version for example. Technology may someday change this; I wouldn't bet against it. But if I had a couple of million to spare I would do what I could to get S featured in the nest Spielberg epic. Cheers :) Roy Inman on 4/25/05 5:39 PM, Ironhorse at cofa@... wrote: > I noticed there was no structures for sale it the "S" tables. > Wanabe"S" interest will be turned off > because there aren't many items to build a town with. (unless there > is something I do not know about) > The Bristol "S" gaugers bring a nice layout to shows, so that helps. > > There are ways to generate strong interest. It will take a person with > strong determination and a lot > of clout to give "S" gauge a big boost. > > For instance: Suppose "S" gauge was snuck into a movie. A big screen > movie! It could be done. > Or it could be a feature on a family TV show. Dad on the show is > strongly into "S" gauge. So during > each episode the kids have to go to Dad's TV room to discuss personal > problems. > > How about a movie that a million dollars worth of trains were stolen. > One train is "S" gauge made of solid > gold. HEY! ---- Valuable collections do get stolen. Of course > the owner must be Tom Cruise or other > popular star. > > Anyone want to write the script. ;o) > > Roger Hinds > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35446	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Joe Pereira???

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 35447	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: Looking for new Handcars from Lionel

Are there any dealers that still have the new handcar and shed for sale ? - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35448	From: race944t	Date: 4/25/2005
Subject: S-gaugers @ York

I'll be there in my motor home as normal. Table is Blue K-21 against the far wall. Mostly operator quality stuff this trip with the exception of an unopened 23743. Bill Clark (yeah, the "Other" Bill Clark from Va.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35449	From: firex43	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: On-line "S" Magazine

With respect for all postings regarding "S" magazines or an on-line version, I would offer the following info for thought. As a long time AFCC member, I too was sad that Frank Hare was unable to continue his excellent labor of love with the AFCC "The Collector" Magazine and the running of the AFCC. I had e-mailed Frank a while ago with the thought of restarting the AFCC via an on-line organization. Frank was not able to commit his time and resources; what about a group of us getting together to launch this venture? Food for thought. Perhaps we could have the best of several formats. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35450	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2648 / S Gaugian

I find the S Gaugian to be pretty empty without Tom Jarcho. TJ generated ideas and was a compelling writer. S Gaugian needs a new repair editor and maybe should go to fewer issues to concentrate the better ideas.. Not that many makers and shakers to fill 6 issues-Tom Hillery [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35451	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

A thought came to mind that might help, however it might seem a little brazen to ask. Don T, I know you have a good list of people on your SHS computer system. Is there a way to look at the number of catalogs you've sent out and compare that to number of different names that have made purchases? I'm not sure what it would tell us, but if the number of different households making purchases were over 10,000, as opposed to 1000 or less, there is some indication of the number of active S gaugers to be gleaned. On the other hand, the info might be too business sensitive to disclose and I would understand your discretion. I guess the bottom line is there really aren't too many of us. Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35452	From: JMatt	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Just like the Jeffersons!

Wow got a cancellation at the Holiday Inn Holli-dome if any of you fellow S gaugers are lodging there or looking for me at the Super 8, I have moved on up like the Jeffersons. See you all at York Tomorrow! Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35453	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

Dear Tom, I am sorry to report that we do not track our catalog sales that way. I guess we have over 6,000 people in our database that have purchased from us, but many die hard AF fans would never buy from us, AM or even the hated "L" company. For them, it is AC Gilbert or nothing. I remember talking to Ron Bashista about this years ago. Stand at the entrance to the S Fest and see how many of your items go out the door vs. AC Gilbert. It was no contest. Best, Don Thomas Stoltz wrote: >A thought came to mind that might help, however it might seem a little brazen to ask. > >Don T, I know you have a good list of people on your SHS computer system. Is there a way to look at the number of catalogs you've sent out and compare that to number of different names that have made purchases? > >I'm not sure what it would tell us, but if the number of different households making purchases were over 10,000, as opposed to 1000 or less, there is some indication of the number of active S gaugers to be gleaned. On the other hand, the info might be too business sensitive to disclose and I would understand your discretion. > >I guess the bottom line is there really aren't too many of us. > >Tom Stoltz > >Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork >Maine S Gaugers >NASG > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35454	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Tucson area

Hello All: We're off to the Tucson area in the middle of May for a visit. Does anyong know of an S friendly store to visit in the area? Thanks, Bill Lucas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35455	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Day 1 at York

Beautiful day at the Bandits. Holiday/Holidome got off to a slow start, dealers slowly filled about half the indoor tables and outdoor spaces. Outdoor costs $100. per parking space for three days, PLUS table rental, not sure of indoor price. Many of the early shoppers were easily recognized. Understand Reliant Fire Hall Show has wider aisles, fewer dealers than last fall, will report on that tomorrow. Best Western lot was roped off, supposed to open on Wed. Reportedly not much action at Holiday/Billy Budd either. Several tents set-up. The Twp gov't REALLY hurt that venue and the dealers who used to set up there. TWO Armed police officers acting as "table" tax collectors seems way over the top. One more painless tax for the residents, they don't pay it. Parking was often a real dilemma there, also. Many people remarked about the "lack" of buyers and/or sellers on the first day. Much talk about grossly increased hiway tolls and of course the price of gasoline. Hostess in one popular restaurant mentioned the way prices seem to go up for us, the HARLEY folks and the Hot Rodders. I eat there frequently enough to know they DON'T raise their prices fro us. Still seems to be the best place to be. Rain forecast for tonight thru tomorrow AM, let's hope it goes away quickly. Showers rest of week. WHO in anyones' experience can be so highly paid and more often wrong than weather forecasters (OOOOPS, forgot U S Intelligence Agencies). Driving in and looking for local info?? Try AM--910, 1390, 1490 FM-try 96.1, 96.9, 97.3, 103.1, 105.1 to mention a few. Returning in AM, before going on NTTM duty, getting parking lots ready for the hopefully large crowd of members in Strasburg on Thursday. See you somewhere finding the bargains you want. Jim "Looking for a loaner Amish scooter" Lyle (Lancaster Co joke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35456	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

Don Further comment on SHelper vs AF (Lionel AF) Hey Don, sold a Flyonel Baldwin today and a Flyonel GP 9 today, recently sold UP Pony Express Set and a WP Pass set, reason, I want to operate a layout with smooth realistic great running diesels and S Helper and American Model supply that, can't wait for the Consolidation to come out and run with my Am Model Steamers and yes with my Lionel Mikado. But ever heard of a Steam Engine with Chatter Talk? Keep up the good work S Helper and American Models. Jerry Matsick Jax Fla > > From: Don Thompson <don@...> > Date: 2005/04/26 Tue PM 05:32:02 EDT > To: Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...>, S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US > > > > Dear Tom, > I am sorry to report that we do not track our catalog sales that > way. I guess we have over 6,000 people in our database that have > purchased from us, but many die hard AF fans would never buy from us, AM > or even the hated "L" company. For them, it is AC Gilbert or nothing. > I remember talking to Ron Bashista about this years ago. Stand at the > entrance to the S Fest and see how many of your items go out the door > vs. AC Gilbert. It was no contest. > Best, > Don > > > Thomas Stoltz wrote: > > >A thought came to mind that might help, however it might seem a little brazen to ask. > > > >Don T, I know you have a good list of people on your SHS computer system. Is there a way to look at the number of catalogs you've sent out and compare that to number of different names that have made purchases? > > > >I'm not sure what it would tell us, but if the number of different households making purchases were over 10,000, as opposed to 1000 or less, there is some indication of the number of active S gaugers to be gleaned. On the other hand, the info might be too business sensitive to disclose and I would understand your discretion. > > > >I guess the bottom line is there really aren't too many of us. > > > >Tom Stoltz > > > >Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > >Maine S Gaugers > >NASG > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos > >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35457	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

As a AF collector, it my intention, someday, to build a layout and to use S helper items for the layout, as I am impressed with the quality of the S Helper line. Sadly, I am about to have a FORTH retina eye surgery this Friday, most likely, and I will not be at York, this week,as I had dinner reservations with Jerry Matsick of FL, as we have been great email friends since October of 2003, as we talk on the phone allot, as I called him today to tell him the sad news. I see the Doctor tomorrow. So, Friday morning while you are all looking at trains, my eye will be sliced open again. Oh well, the worse that can happen is that I lose the site of my left eye I guess. Not really funny, but I have to try to have a sense of humor with all that has happen since December, as this problem was first notice by me, with a visit at the TCA museum right before Christmas! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> To: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...>; "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US > > > Dear Tom, > I am sorry to report that we do not track our catalog sales that > way. I guess we have over 6,000 people in our database that have > purchased from us, but many die hard AF fans would never buy from us, AM > or even the hated "L" company. For them, it is AC Gilbert or nothing. > I remember talking to Ron Bashista about this years ago. Stand at the > entrance to the S Fest and see how many of your items go out the door > vs. AC Gilbert. It was no contest. > Best, > Don > > > Thomas Stoltz wrote: > > >A thought came to mind that might help, however it might seem a little brazen to ask. > > > >Don T, I know you have a good list of people on your SHS computer system. Is there a way to look at the number of catalogs you've sent out and compare that to number of different names that have made purchases? > > > >I'm not sure what it would tell us, but if the number of different households making purchases were over 10,000, as opposed to 1000 or less, there is some indication of the number of active S gaugers to be gleaned. On the other hand, the info might be too business sensitive to disclose and I would understand your discretion. > > > >I guess the bottom line is there really aren't too many of us. > > > >Tom Stoltz > > > >Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > >Maine S Gaugers > >NASG > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos > >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35458	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Magazine subscriptions

Something I sent to the TCA list about Magazine rates and how they come down, once you drop them! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: [toytrains] Magazine subscriptions > > > There has been discussions on the subscription rate for CTT, as the rate is not the same for everyone, it seems, as I let my subscription lapse for many reasons. > > I have not been offered the magical 21.95 rate, down from 39.95, but I got a really low rate for a magazine that I dropped last year, as it is not a train magazine. > > I got a rate of 9.99 a year, as that is down from 24 a year. > > So, I took it. > > The reason why magazines and even newspapers will give the magazine away, as postage is probably eating up the 9.99 rate, is that printed materials make their money on the advertising and the higher the circulation numbers, the more they can charge advertisers. > > So, if you don't renew, in time, you get the bonus rate, if you can due with out the magazine for awhile. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35459	From: Mike Albert	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Port lines hobby supply

Just wanted to mention the great service I got from Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby, if you have not checked them out you really need to they have a lot of great stuff and will actually help you if you need it. http://www.portlines.com/ Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35460	From: Mike Albert	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: 596 Water Tank

I just bought one off Ebay and the wiring looks like it has been resoldered and the spout does not work. Can someone take a picture so I can see what and how the wiring should be? Send to albyhouse@.... Thank you, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35461	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

Don, Hang in there. I once considered myself a Gilbert 'do or die' type. Then I tried some rolling stock, but promised that was the end of my participation. I now have numerous pieces of rolling stock and several locomotives and two on order! Still don't care much for the Lionel stuff, but maybe that too will change. I have decided I will never say never! gary On 4/26/05 3:32 PM, "Don Thompson" <don@...> wrote: > > > Dear Tom, > I am sorry to report that we do not track our catalog sales that > way. I guess we have over 6,000 people in our database that have > purchased from us, but many die hard AF fans would never buy from us, AM > or even the hated "L" company. For them, it is AC Gilbert or nothing. > I remember talking to Ron Bashista about this years ago. Stand at the > entrance to the S Fest and see how many of your items go out the door > vs. AC Gilbert. It was no contest. > Best, > Don > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35462	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 4/26/2005
Subject: TMCC track controllers for sale

Sorry I hit reply to the last message that was posted and forgot to change the subject. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kiner [mailto:AF336@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:34 PM To: 'S Train e-group' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US Due to another online order mixup I have an extra TPC 300 and a TPC 400. I suppose I may keep one of them, but sell the other if I can get my money back. I paid 149.00 for the TPC 400 and 106.00 for the TPC 300. If anyone is interested let me know at my direct e-mail. Thanks, MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35463	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: [S trains] The magazine

If anyone is interested in starting an online magazine contact me off list. I will provide an Email address for an Email magazine that I receive. You'll then have the option of contacting the editor for insights on such a venture. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35464	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

6,000 names in the database, thank you, Don, for sharing this information with us. Well, it certainly isn't 30,000, is it? As Don points out, the hardcore ACG people are probably not a high percentage of this total. However, I would guess that most, if not all scalers are included. So, where do we go with this info? On-line magazine? More support for the NASG Dispatch? More input for S Gaugian? Leave it all alone? There sure aren't many of us. And only about 1,000 on this list... Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35465	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: York Envy

I am missing York this week. I am in a dispute with a roofing contractor, who tried to put a 70 mph roof on my house when I ordered a 110 mph roof! He just can't understand why anyone living in Orlando, FL would need 110 mph rated shingles on his roof! Every time I leave the house empty for a couple hours, I come back and find he has surprised me with something new. I was afraid I would come back from York, and find out he had snuck in and installed the roof, and I wouldn't be able to figure out what he had installed! Yes, I have "York Envy"! Looking forward to October York though ----------------------------------------- Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35466	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

I had heard once that there were about 5000 S gaugers; I guess that this number is way too low. The question might better be, how many "active S gaugers" are there? If you have a box of old Gilbert in the attic, does that make you an S gauger? I wouldn't think so. And Yes, there are a lot of Gilbert Only people out there. There doesn't seem to be any way to count S folks, but the market place has pretty much already counted us, and we are usually treated like red haired step-children in whatever hobby shop we care to enter and dare mention S. There are apparently enough of us though for Lionel to make the Mikado and Docksiders, and K-line to refit some old Marx molds for us... We should also be grateful for manufactures like S-helper and American Models, not to mention all the little guys with cottage businesses that support our hobby! ----------------------------------------- Chuck Harrington A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35467	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: number of s gaugers

i have a 50 year perspective on s gauge and agree with don t. and tom s. that there are between 6000 and say 8000 of us, not an insignificant number at all, but certainly not a large or young group either. we have decent buying power, which has grown over the years, so we have many many products i never thot we would, and priced fairly compared to the other scales, too. so lets focus on the positive and continue to match our mfg and purchasing to our needs and small, i mean discriminating, size. dale reynolds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35468	From: beebear	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

I'm willing to get something started if there are those who want to send me some ideas of what is wanted John ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US 6,000 names in the database, thank you, Don, for sharing this information with us. Well, it certainly isn't 30,000, is it? As Don points out, the hardcore ACG people are probably not a high percentage of this total. However, I would guess that most, if not all scalers are included. So, where do we go with this info? On-line magazine? More support for the NASG Dispatch? More input for S Gaugian? Leave it all alone? There sure aren't many of us. And only about 1,000 on this list... Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 8:59:23 AM ET - 4/27/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35469	From: roy inman	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

If we want the scale to grow, we could perhaps take a look at On30. I have no idea how many folks are into that scale compared to S. I do know that until Bachmann entered the fray, it represented a really, really tiny minority of enthusiasts. Soon as the B man came out with that holiday set designed to go with the Department 56 and similar stuff, I started seeing On30 at all the hobby shops. It sort of came out of nowhere. And how did this happen? (1) Bachmann tapped into that D56 crowd, a ready-made market. (2) With downright cheap equipment that was stand-off scale in appearance. (3) That ran on universally available HO track and turnouts. (4) With an already existing nationwide distribution system and the financial means to produce enough product to sell in larger numbers, thereby lowering the per unit price. And last time I looked, there was no On30 magazine. Back when Don H. started the S Gaugian, it was still possible to do a startup publication on a shoestring and there was not nearly the competition. By competition I mean that there are now more magazines of high quality. Everyone likes to see good photography, well art directed with writing that flows easily, and above all, has content that compels us to read. Would an S magazine of the size and quality of CTT or MR help grow the scale? Perhaps, but IMHO not by much. Because, how many of us would buy any magazine that featured subject matter in which we had little interest? If we are talking about that same, high quality publication just for our "little" group of S gaugers, as has been said time and again on this list, it would take someone with deep pockets to start from scratch. Just my 2 cents... Roy Inman on 4/27/05 7:42 AM, Thomas Stoltz at tstoltz@... wrote: > > 6,000 names in the database, thank you, Don, for sharing this information with > us. Well, it certainly isn't 30,000, is it? As Don points out, the hardcore > ACG people are probably not a high percentage of this total. However, I would > guess that most, if not all scalers are included. > > So, where do we go with this info? On-line magazine? More support for the > NASG Dispatch? More input for S Gaugian? Leave it all alone? > > There sure aren't many of us. And only about 1,000 on this list... > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35470	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Divers discover, protect rare pre-Civil War steam engines off New J

http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i040919a/i040919a.html Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35471	From: Phil K	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates on total number of S Gaugers in US

Many good points here. But let's not forget about guys like me, who probably aren't in Don's database but own plenty of S-Helper products -- maybe a dozen locomotives and about 100 pieces of rolling stock. I have also ordered two 2-8-0s, as well. I have much Gilbert Flyer, as well as AM and SHS stuff, and run everything. But I mainly buy from Don's dealers, though, and not direct from SHS, so I doubt I'm included in that 6,000 number. Whatever the total number of S junkies is, we could always use more. Phil K ________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@g...> wrote: > > 6,000 names in the database, thank you, Don, for sharing this information with us. Well, it certainly isn't 30,000, is it? As Don points out, the hardcore ACG people are probably not a high percentage of this total. However, I would guess that most, if not all scalers are included. > > So, where do we go with this info? On-line magazine? More support for the NASG Dispatch? More input for S Gaugian? Leave it all alone? > > There sure aren't many of us. And only about 1,000 on this list... > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35472	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: AM/SHS Combinations.......

I have an american models engine and several S-helpers and soon I will have some Flyers that have been converted to can motors and sound boards compatible with the locomatic controllers. My question is two-fold: Can I install a sound board that is locomatic compatible into the American Models Alcos or how would I wire the sound units so they can be hooked up at the same time? Thanks, gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35473	From: blange3@comcast.net	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Divers discover, protect rare pre-Civil War steam engines off N

Way Cool! As a New Jersey based list member I would be happy to spend my summer on the beach protecting the trains with my living expenses covered by the very generous S-Trains members! Bill Lange -------------- Original message -------------- > > > http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i040919a/i040919a.html > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35474	From: nflomenb	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: S-Gaugian

I caught up on my messages late, so I'm going to risk jumping into a thread very late. I have an S gauge DCC layout. Some converted Flyer, some American Models, some SHS. In terms of DCC, there is little for me in S-Gaugian, but I try to support the magazine, because, despite its flaws, it's what we have. Ironically, I'd take an example from a recent S-Gaugian where they asked if we were in the golden age of S. The conclusion was no, but that we were hopefully in a silver age. I'd agree. We have a lot more re track, locos, rolling stock than in years. However, I need a 36+ inch bridge for my layout. I'd prefer a truss bridge. Other than a $600 item from River Raisins (which isn't long enough anyway) or a custom built item (over $450), my options are limited. I don't have enough time to scratch build something and I'd prefer just to buy something that didn't require much modifications for this project. I'm stuck using and modifying O Gauge bridges from MTH because no one makes this sort of basic stuff for our gauge, because we're small potatoes re absolute numbers and percent of the hobby. The fact that we're split between hi-rail and scale and sometimes overemphasize our differences rather than our similarities doesn't help either. Every time we abandon anything to do with our gauge, I think we shoot ourselves in the foot again. If S-Gaugian flounders, I think it will be more evidence to folks who do not primarily manufacture for S that we are too small and risky to bother with. I don't advocate wasting money on crap. Rather than abandoning S-Gaugian and setting up some competition, why not use the energy to survey the list re what we need/want from the magazine? Why not use the energy to write and submit articles? I think we need to do two things to move S-Gauge along. We need to demand quality in products and publications and then we need to support it aggressively thereafter. I don't mean to get on a soap box. I just want to see things get better, not worse. Neal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35475	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian

I think Neal's message is not only the most positive one I have seen, but also the most sensible. Especially these comments: Every time we abandon anything to do with our gauge, I think we shoot ourselves in the foot again. If S-Gaugian flounders, I think it will be more evidence to folks who do not primarily manufacture for S that we are too small and risky to bother with. I don't advocate wasting money on crap. Rather than abandoning S-Gaugian and setting up some competition, why not use the energy to survey the list re what we need/want from the magazine? Why not use the energy to write and submit articles? (I highlighted that last sentence though Yahoo may lowlight it). I think we need to do two things to move S-Gauge along. We need to demand quality in products and publications and then we need to support it aggressively thereafter. And despite all the criticism on this thread, the S Gaugian has stood the test of time and it is a unifying publication for S, not a divisive one. "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" would be a motto that serves S well. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35476	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: number of s gaugers

I would guess that I am close to the youngest on the list at 35. I have always liked trains from an early age and remember a time when department stores had tons of ho in the toy department and lionel at chirstmas time. The hobby in general has changed its marketing strategy from kids and fathers to old collectors how ever I do not beleive this fairly represents the potentail market. --- reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...> wrote: > > > > i have a 50 year perspective on s gauge and agree > with don t. and tom > s. that there are between 6000 and say 8000 of us, > not an > insignificant number at all, but certainly not a > large or young group > either. we have decent buying power, which has grown > over the years, > so we have many many products i never thot we would, > and priced fairly > compared to the other scales, too. so lets focus on > the positive and > continue to match our mfg and purchasing to our > needs and small, i > mean discriminating, size. dale reynolds > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35477	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: AM/SHS Combinations.......

Dear Gary, I am sure you can I know Bob Board of All Aboard does custom LocoMatic installations on American Models diesels. Just to be sure I will forward you request to Dallas of Dallee Electronics. Best regards, Don Gary Chidester wrote: >I have an american models engine and several S-helpers and soon I will have >some Flyers that have been converted to can motors and sound boards >compatible with the locomatic controllers. > >My question is two-fold: > >Can I install a sound board that is locomatic compatible into the American >Models Alcos or how would I wire the sound units so they can be hooked up at >the same time? > >Thanks, > >gary > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35478	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gaugers

Y'all...Interesting that Roy brings up On30 in this discussion. I've been doing On30 for some time and, in proportion at least, it's about the same size as S scale. I can just about get the same amount of stuff in the same area in either On30 or S. One of the BIG differences between On30 and S is cost. On30 is based on HO scale track and running gear which is extremely plentiful and cheap, one reason Bachmann did On30 instead of HOn30 (which has been more popular among narrow gaugers in the past.) A plus was the fact that there are lots of other items availible in O scale. And also of interest was the declining eyesite of baby boomers. If S gauge had 2-6-0 Moguls for $150. or 0-4-0 locos for $45., I dare say S would become more popular. However, having said that, we still are hurting for large numbers of structures, vehicles, and figures. This will tend to limit the folks interested in S as the trend today is away from people willing to kit bash and build these missing items. We might have a better chance at growth if we were a "full service" scale, rather than a scale with enough trains but little else. What do you think? Keep the discussion going, something good may come out of it! Stumpy Stone...50 years playing with trains and still playing...Martins ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35479	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: number of s gaugers

Dear Bruce, We know lots of very dedicated S Gaugers who are half your age. Don bruce weidner wrote: >I would guess that I am close to the youngest on the >list at 35. I have always liked trains from an early >age and remember a time when department stores had >tons of ho in the toy department and lionel at >chirstmas time. The hobby in general has changed its >marketing strategy from kids and fathers to old >collectors how ever I do not beleive this fairly >represents the potentail market. > > > >--- reynoldsjmus <reynoldsdale@...> wrote: > > >> >>i have a 50 year perspective on s gauge and agree >>with don t. and tom >>s. that there are between 6000 and say 8000 of us, >>not an >>insignificant number at all, but certainly not a >>large or young group >>either. we have decent buying power, which has grown >>over the years, >>so we have many many products i never thot we would, >>and priced fairly >>compared to the other scales, too. so lets focus on >>the positive and >>continue to match our mfg and purchasing to our >>needs and small, i >>mean discriminating, size. dale reynolds >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: >>http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >>too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35480	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau

Dear Stumpy, If Ron or I made a 2-6-0 mogul that had no smoke or choo choo and only ran on DC, how many do you think we would sell? Don Stumpy Stone wrote: > >Y'all...Interesting that Roy brings up On30 in this discussion. I've >been doing On30 for some time and, in proportion at least, it's about >the same size as S scale. I can just about get the same amount of >stuff in the same area in either On30 or S. > One of the BIG differences between On30 and S is cost. On30 is >based on HO scale track and running gear which is extremely plentiful >and cheap, one reason Bachmann did On30 instead of HOn30 (which has >been more popular among narrow gaugers in the past.) A plus was the >fact that there are lots of other items availible in O scale. And >also of interest was the declining eyesite of baby boomers. > If S gauge had 2-6-0 Moguls for $150. or 0-4-0 locos for $45., I >dare say S would become more popular. However, having said that, we >still are hurting for large numbers of structures, vehicles, and >figures. This will tend to limit the folks interested in S as the >trend today is away from people willing to kit bash and build these >missing items. > We might have a better chance at growth if we were a "full service" >scale, rather than a scale with enough trains but little else. > What do you think? Keep the discussion going, something good may >come out of it! > Stumpy Stone...50 years playing with trains and still >playing...Martins ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35481	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Emails

To all of who sent me emails about my problem, as it seems to never go away, I want to answer you all in private, but I have to keep my head down toward the floor till the morning for another eye appointment, so I will type this group email for now, since I need to be off the computer. I do have a detached retina again, as this silicone gel, has gotten behind the retina and is tearing it again. The doctor wants to see, if I keep my head down for a day, that maybe the gel , which is very thick, comes out from behind the retina. Then tomorrow, he will do some laser surgery, hurts like hell, as Jerry Matsick knows all about that, and he will do some freezing of the eye. If that doesn't work. Then he has to do surgery, either Friday or next week, if thinks tomorrow it might work. So, I may be able to go to York on Friday. He asked what is in York and I explained the world's largest train show for TCA members. He is about 50 to 55, as I am 50, and he mentioned all the HO trains he had, but he has no time for anything, as he was interested in hearing talk about TCA, as even he said, that kids today are not interested in trains and this maybe a dying hobby. So, hopefully, I might still get to go on Friday and meet some of you, especially Jerry and I know Tom mention something about meeting in York, which really made me feel good, as I have never sent a email in private to Tom. Tom, that really made my day, as the rest of the emails. I will get back to you, as I have to call Jerry in York to update him on things, as he is more upset that I am, that I am not coming to York. Thanks Jerry, as I was really looking forward to seeing you too and hopefully it might happen. Sorry, if this email is not of interest to some, as we take things for granted in life too much and we shouldn't. Thanks, as I need to get off the computer. Spelling and grammar maynot be too great as type this head down. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35482	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau

I have been kicking around the idea of making something for the S market but time and money are an issue for me as I am temporaliy unemployed and going back to school as well as fixing up an old house. One of my Ideas is to make some neat operating accessories with little noise(buzzing selonoids)being generated. I do not want to give away my idea but the movements can be done electricaly with out selinoids, moters or even magnets. If you are into electronics and/or robotics you might be able to figure out what I have in mind. I do not like either desiel fueling accessory by Lionel(too square and big) or k-line(nice footprint but cheesey) Might make one for myself to test out my idea. --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > > Y'all...Interesting that Roy brings up On30 in this > discussion. I've > been doing On30 for some time and, in proportion at > least, it's about > the same size as S scale. I can just about get the > same amount of > stuff in the same area in either On30 or S. > One of the BIG differences between On30 and S is > cost. On30 is > based on HO scale track and running gear which is > extremely plentiful > and cheap, one reason Bachmann did On30 instead of > HOn30 (which has > been more popular among narrow gaugers in the past.) > A plus was the > fact that there are lots of other items availible in > O scale. And > also of interest was the declining eyesite of baby > boomers. > If S gauge had 2-6-0 Moguls for $150. or 0-4-0 > locos for $45., I > dare say S would become more popular. However, > having said that, we > still are hurting for large numbers of structures, > vehicles, and > figures. This will tend to limit the folks > interested in S as the > trend today is away from people willing to kit bash > and build these > missing items. > We might have a better chance at growth if we were > a "full service" > scale, rather than a scale with enough trains but > little else. > What do you think? Keep the discussion going, > something good may > come out of it! > Stumpy Stone...50 years playing with trains and > still > playing...Martins ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35483	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: PONY EXPRESS

Will the person that bought the Pony Express set from me PLEASE contact me off list. Thank you, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35484	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: S-Gaugian

Hi all, I have read the feedback on the S-Gaugian magazine with interest. I have been a subscriber to it as well as The Dispatch, Model Railroader and the 1:64 Modeling Guide. The Model Railroader ignores "S" in a big way although it runs about one "S" gauge article a year. It is a nice magazine with good articles, about what you would expect from the market it covers. However after reading it from cover to cover, it irritates me to find no "S" articles or products, and, because of that, I won't renew my subscription to it. The Dispatch is a rather small magazine which has the agenda of NASG to deal with and so the bulk of the non-advertising print space is devoted to clubs, membership and events. The 1:64 Modeling guide, after a rough first year is developing into a pretty good magazine however it leans heavily toward scale, . That leaves the "S" Gaugian which does the best job of covering all of "S" Gauge. It is a professionally produced publication which showcases the perfect scale. I don't mind the advertisements by Heimburger House Publishing, as a matter of fact I think that they put forth a consolidated listing of items available in "S". I too miss Tom Jarco's articles and would hope that David Dewey or another well qualified AF technician would step up and run with the fixing flyer column. Of all 4 magazines, I most look forward to receiving the "S" Gaugian. Let us not forget that we are not exactly a force to be reckoned with in the model train arena. Our efforts, instead of tearing down the little "S" infrastructure that we have, should be focused on improving what we are fortunate enough to have. The "S" Gaugian is good measure of "S" gauge's existence and growth. I would like to see the Dispatch or S Gaugian print up a nice brochure that highlights the existence of "S" products and distribute the brochures at train shows and conventions. This could be financed by the selling of ad space and updated every year. Just my opinion, Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35485	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2005
Subject: York--Day 2

Beautiful day in York.. Fortunately for us "over 50" guys (there were women on the lot today, I'm sure ALL under 50) the sun was brilliant, beautiful fluffy clouds, breezy now and then. Ventured to Best Western, looked like all allotted space was used, some were set up in the grass island. Several friends reported they were at Holiday "Billy Budd" when the TWO armed police officers, one female, one male, came thru and collected their tax. Still seems excessive, haven't seen an unruly train dealer in York yet. Lunch time found traveling buddy and fellow NTTM Parking Crew member Paul Herr and I sitting on a curb at the Holidome to eat lunch.Gentleman sat down beside us, unwrapped his sandwich and said "Look at this, the empty spaces" . I introduced myself as that "Da----- Jim Lyle", seems Frank Salvano's concerns are the same as mine. During much discussion, a young father and his pre-teen son sat down beside Frank. There were young folks on the lot today, from stroller age thru early teens. Where possible, I thanked the parents for bringng the kids and asked if the young ones were Kids Club members. So far,all are. Once again, to our advantage, the weatherman was not quite correct in his prognostication Hoping the rest of the week is sunny also. Looking forward to seeing many members at NTTM tomorrow. Jim "day three will be at NTTM" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35486	From: steveterni	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Request for advice

Hello All, I have been offered to buy what the owner claims is an original 21095 shell. I haven't seen it yet as I am travelling outside the country for a few more days. Can anyone give me some tips on how to check the authenticity of this shell? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35487	From: roy inman	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Crystal River Products

Greetings to all, Wanted to pass along the contact information for a manufacturer of structures that I was not aware of, and just in case some of you were not either: www.crystalriverproducts.com. They show a number of very interesting stuff in S, including a mercantile and some trackside shacks. And my favorite was the old wooden water tank in Sn3. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35488	From: roy inman	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.

I seem to recall that Steven Spielberg likes on Lionel. And I'll bet you're right. It either takes bucks or one interested, well-placed person to get it done. I do have a distant contact in Hollywood, and she in fact starred in at least one of Spielberg's films. Soon as I can figure a good intro, I will see if she has an idea on how we might get S stuff on the big screen-with no cash outlay. Do you suppose Don T. would be willing to work with a movie producer to help make it happen? Roy on 4/28/05 6:04 PM, Ironhorse at cofa@... wrote: > roy inman wrote: > >> Roger, we are on the same page, so to speak. >> I suspect it takes lots of bucks to get a product in a movie or TV series, >> unless the director or one of the leads has a particular fondness for that >> product. >> > Frank Sinatra had a strong interest in Model trains. I bet there are a > couple of dozen people > in the movie industry with a serious interest in model trains. > > Roger >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35489	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.

roy inman wrote: >Roger, we are on the same page, so to speak. >I suspect it takes lots of bucks to get a product in a movie or TV series, >unless the director or one of the leads has a particular fondness for that >product. > Frank Sinatra had a strong interest in Model trains. I bet there are a couple of dozen people in the movie industry with a serious interest in model trains. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35490	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge in the movies

The idea (below) has a lot off merit. However I was thinking along the line of a layout that shows how great "S" gauge can be in a realistic setting. I display my AF Gilbert in a realistic setting. How realistic. Not even a die-hard scale person critized the af track and other Gilbert items. Everyone was impressed at how smooth the trains ran. I fine tune the locos so that they crawl very slow. A nice layout would be a great background feature for a Family show. How about a Mr Roger's for adults. Roger Hinds bruce weidner wrote: >How about a Willy wonka type movie about a toy company >struggeling in the toy train market against a big >giant manufacture that has lost sight of the "toy" >concept and evilly makes and prices things out of the >common man's and their kids reach. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35491	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.

How about a documentery about famous people and toy trains. We have Neil Young, Frank Sinatra, Mandy Pitinkin has a layout and his character on one of the hospital shows played with trains in his office. Jakkie Gleason was too drunk to operate a lionel set to bring him a glass for some liqour comercial. The guy that does for better or worse comic strip the father in the strip has trains. How about we lobby to get trains into the Family guy or King of the Hill. Just think Hank Hills prized posession could ba a texas special set. --- Ironhorse <cofa@...> wrote: > roy inman wrote: > > >Roger, we are on the same page, so to speak. > >I suspect it takes lots of bucks to get a product > in a movie or TV series, > >unless the director or one of the leads has a > particular fondness for that > >product. > > > Frank Sinatra had a strong interest in Model > trains. I bet there are a > couple of dozen people > in the movie industry with a serious interest in > model trains. > > Roger > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35492	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: York! Eye Surgery, Neil Young

I am going to York tomorrow, Yeah, but eye surgery number 4 next week, as my doctor gave my blessing to go. He looked at me for 2 minutes and said go, see you next week, have a good time and then we talk about Washington Senators baseball for 20 minutes as he is always backed up! O:)! And my doctor who was 20 at the time, as at the last game in 1971, as the fans stormed the field in the 9th and he stole part of the scoreboard, as fans were taking anything they could grab at RFK Stadium. LOL! A doctor who is human! O:)! Thanks to all who wrote wishing me well. I appreciate and I want to later send you a email in private, but I got to pack, to hit the road at 6 am! Oh, did I mention that this problem was first noticed by me at the TCA museum in Strasburg right before Christmas! I was in the museum, in the dead of winter and I started to see black gnats in my one eye. I knew that can not be, since this is air control museum and gnats are dead at this time. And I know their lots of horse manure to breed gnats by all the farms around Lancaster, as there is farms across the street! O:)! Oh well, the place is cursed since it has all that evil O gauge stuff and I am a lowly S Gauger that is being recognized by TCA. Oh, I sent Neil Young a Get well card, as I know he is out of the hospital and is in Nashville working on a new CD. I used the TCA address, which has to be a office of some kind. I wish him well, as I told him I have been following him since Buffalo Springfield days and how I collect S and he O. I invited him to stop by, if he is traveling by my town, as he does have that huge bus, which you see at York all the time! I will let you know if he writes, calls or even comes by with the bus! See you tomorrow! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35493	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2005
Subject: Re: York--Day 3--Parking at NTTM

Another brilliant start to a day, lasted almost as long as "Joe", our local prognosticator said it would. Closest he/they have been in a while. Clouds, then winds joined us around 2:30 PM, high winds, some rain a short time later, more mid-afternoon sun then a repeat of the process, MORE wind this time. None of the crew (ALL TCA members and volunteers) blew away, fortunately. Few problems, shuttle ran flawlessly, interesting to note, the first rider lives within 10 miles of NTTM and took the shuttle to the museum. Neighbors Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania (RRMPA), the Strasburg Railroad (SRR) and Red Caboose Motel (RCM) were most gracious to allow us to once again share their parking lots. AS always, a few people were most disapppointed to not be allowed to park within 5 feet (or less) of the main doors. Some pointed out that they were TCA members (well, yea), others muttered little things, some didn't mutter but were quite understandable. We only have so much space, we utilize it the best way we can to serve the most people possible. Always interesting to watch the grand hunt for the "handicapped" hanger that hasn't been used since last York. DiD I mention, ALL of the crew are VOLUNTEERS??? I now have an electro-shock unit on my knee, so I can relate to difficulties in walking/ getting around. Am wondering if connecting a Model T coil to this thingy will speed up the recovery process. Any ideas?? Always great to see people we only see in the parking lots on York Thursday, and we certainly appreciate them taking time from "Yorking" to come to "Amish Country". One fellow came in claiming to be the new President of LIONEL, there for their 4 PM presentation. While he had no business cards on him, I figured if he would admit it, I'd find a place to park him. Neil Young's entourage spent several hours with us as did former LIONEL owner Richard Kuhn. Mr Lavinus' Museum Crew did their usual fine job, how they do it with so few people is amazing. The speakers were reported to be on their "best game". Gary did a surprise presentation to two of our hardest working KIDS CLUB members, Brandon and Brittany Hershey. Brandon has helped clean the "S" gauge layout and display wall for three yrs and Brittany joined this yr for the first time. Their mother Terry and youner brother Sean were also in attendance. Sean is ready to join the crew and will in two more yrs. Great kids, a pleasure to have them working with us. I hope we are answering all their questions and challenging them some, too. Other fine young people have helped in the past, and they will be recognized also, I'm told. At least one, worked at NTTM for a while, if she does not now. Gonna go hook this electro-thingy to the generator, get some healin' goin' on. See you all in the caefeteria, 0700, for the "World's Most Expensive Breakfast" In York.. Jim "dodged those blue and white license plates another time" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35494	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: s-gaugian

Hej all, Alex wrote, "I too miss Tom Jarco's articles and would hope that David Dewey or another well qualified AF technician would step up and run with the fixing flyer column." Egads, I'm honored. I would love to be able to help (HELP) fill in some, but right now my life is a bit too busy. I hope it settles down in about four months. I've even missed chat the last three weeks, and think I'll have to miss this Sunday too. AAUGH!! The only good thing about all this busy time, is that I am working on a real locomotive at work, even though it is only preparing it for move from one display platform in the park to a new one. BTW, I doubt anyone can "fill" Tom J.'s boots, but hopefully we can continue in his tradition. S' David D. PS Hi all, I miss y'all!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35495	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau

This thread has generated a very positive and large response from the group. I fully agree with Stumpy-- something good may come out of the discussion. A lot of the things that have been mentioned, we really already have. We do have a dedicated S site in Paul Yorke's S-Trains site. If you search the web for anything S, you will get to S-Trains, and from there, everything S is at your finger tips. Do we really need another S site? We have magazines, could they be better? Can we make them better? We have the NASG and its magazine, The Dispatch. Can we make it better? The Bachmann 0n30 (or how about G gauge) is a great example of filling (or creating) a niche market. Can S gauge do something similar? Maybe S was the niche ACG tried to create and fill? So, the numbers... about 6,000 (I'm going to guess mostly Hi-railers, as Flyers have their vintage ACG & "L" and scalers have other sources) in a database and 1,800 in the NASG. Is this a good marketing ratio? About 1,000 on this list (what about the S-scale list? I know there is tremendous overlap) and what? We share information and ideas... some participate heavily, while others mostly read-- all gain something for the exchange. So what is it that we really want? We preach to the choir very well, but where does it lead? We have a 67 year track record of watching every other scale be invented and going on to surpass us in every way. While I think S is the 'perfect size', apparently the rest of model railroading doesn't. Why? Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35496	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of number of S gau

Tom and Everyone, A lot of our problems are presentation and lack of presentation. Let me explain my thinking here. Presentation first. My experience with S-Scale(includes all factions here) is the perception by the general public that the trains they see being run on Layouts, are the older Gilbert trains. They love seeing the nostalgic trains run with the choo choo and smoke. The go AWE and OOH over our older trains running. Those of us running the newer trains with the older trains still use the AF compatible couplers for the most part. The thoughts from the public that I have heard is, I need to get my old trains out so I can do this, or where do I find these old trains. Plasticville and erector sets on our displays just add to that perception. It is viewed by many that we are running Antiques. That means high maintenance and high dollars to most people. Lack of presentation. When my wife and I started our little project 6 years ago, we took the old AF track and trains and mounted them on a 4X8 Board. Used the Ceramic Christmas houses and got a lot of comments like"hey, we have trains and ceramic houses, lets do that. Then we discovered the S-Trax system from S-Helper. I added that in place of the AF track and expanded to 8X12 with 3 loops and one heck of a Christmas layout with a mountain on it. Now the comments started changing drastically. I started using S-Helper engines and cars along with a 336 converted to a can motor with a flywheel. With a steam engine pulling 35 cars behind it the comments went from what Gauge trains to What Scale is this? I am now working on a Modular layout which will use the S-Helper track system and use the scale wheels and couplers. This will go to shows. In our store we have a 6X12 S-Scale layout. Huge mountain with A North Pole village inside it. I also use S-Helper F3's with DCC and sound and the SW's on the layout with a Flyer steamer. I sell a lot of S-Scale to New in the hobby customers because of the presentation! It really sells itself! I don't need to push it because it is perfect in scale. Let me say this about cost of S-Scale! Price is not the issue when a customer wants good equipment. HO engines with sound and DCC are running at a cost of $250 to $300 dollars now . I have had several customers look at size and cost and choose S-Scale over the HO scale. Everyone says how great the cost is on a new K-Line set ,Bull pucky. $260.00 for K-line and $300.00 for S-Helper. Is this apples to apples comparison? Heck no, K-Line doesn't compare. For $40 dollars more you get better track, better quality, and much better detail and scale proportions. I can remotor and repaint a Flyer engine for less than the new K-Line engines. But this is another discussion for another day. If we want to grow S-Scale then we need to reach out to the new hobbyist, not the ones we already have. You don't convert those that have a ton of money invested in another scale. That very rarely happens. But you can get the new hobbyist to pick S-Scale. It happens in our shop all the time. Another item that helps is enthusiasm. Be excited about the hobby. Often times I see Toy train/model railroaders who take this thing way to seriously. It's a hobby! It should be fun! Make it fun for everyone all the time. Well, there's my Ten dollars worth. Hope my idea's will help somewhere down the line. Chris While I think S is the 'perfect size', apparently the rest of model railroading doesn't. Why? Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35497	From: roy inman	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of

---------- > From: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:17:27 -0500 > To: Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimates of > number of S gaugers..... > > on 4/29/05 7:44 AM, Thomas Stoltz at tstoltz@... wrote: > >> While I think S is the 'perfect size', apparently the rest of model >> railroading doesn't. Why? > > > Other scales have had better PR, which in this day and age, amounts mostly to > budget. > Joshua Lionel Cowen was a master manipulator of the media of the day, > including advertising, editorial print and point of purchase. And as I recall, > one of the reasons Lionel was preferred by many over AF was the sturdiness of > the three-rail track. At least when we went to the department stores looking > at train sets, every salesman told us that. > And today, notice that On30 has been sorta-kinda reinvented by Bachmann, one > of the big budget players on the MR scene. And, AND just as important, there > is no internal struggle over flange size and consequent track and turnout > problems as there is with S gauge. N gauge is another example of a single > track mind scale. > In addition, I recall a local S scale person remarking that the "high-rail > guys ought to get off their knees (playing with trains on the floor) and build > a REAL layout." > In other words, as a group, we are pretty divided. > Among the positives, I see a merging of the scale and high-rail groups, what > with the detail in SHS, AM and now even Flyonel with the Mikado. Probably no > matter how hard Don, et al, try, they will never convince some dedicated AF > fans to buy the more scale-like equipment. > Diversity is a good thing, IMHO, but it sure makes things difficult when > trying to build a marketing consensus. > Just my 2 cents... > Roy Inman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35498	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Estimates of number of S gaugers

Has anyone attempted to determine how many S gaugers are active on eBay? I know there are a few hundred items listed daily and several hundred listed on the weekends. There must be a large number of S gaugers buying and selling to support that many daily auctions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35499	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: New Mags

I agree with Alex's opinion; we have 3 S scale mags and this list and I also look at CTT and sometime M-R. This seems enuff to support and keep us current and I have bought most of the old issues of S gauge Herald and S Gaugian. My best info now comes from guys I meet and buy from off E Bay and SHS's open house get-togethers Tom Hillery Subject: S-Gaugian Hi all, I have read the feedback on the S-Gaugian magazine with interest. I have been a subscriber to it as well as The Dispatch, Model Railroader and the 1:64 Modeling Guide. The Model Railroader ignores "S" in a big way although it runs about one "S" gauge article a year. It is a nice magazine with good articles, about what you would expect from the market it covers. However after reading it from cover to cover, it irritates me to find no "S" articles or products, and, because of that, I won't renew my subscription to it. The Dispatch is a rather small magazine which has the agenda of NASG to deal with and so the bulk of the non-advertising print space is devoted to clubs, membership and events. The 1:64 Modeling guide, after a rough first year is developing into a pretty good magazine however it leans heavily toward scale, . That leaves the "S" Gaugian which does the best job of covering all of "S" Gauge. It is a professionally produced publication which showcases the perfect scale. I don't mind the advertisements by Heimburger House Publishing, as a matter of fact I think that they put forth a consolidated listing of items available in "S". I too miss Tom Jarco's articles and would hope that David Dewey or another well qualified AF technician would step up and run with the fixing flyer column. Of all 4 magazines, I most look forward to receiving the "S" Gaugian. Let us not forget that we are not exactly a force to be reckoned with in the model train arena. Our efforts, instead of tearing down the little "S" infrastructure that we have, should be focused on improving what we are fortunate enough to have. The "S" Gaugian is good measure of "S" gauge's existence and growth. I would like to see the Dispatch or S Gaugian print up a nice brochure that highlights the existence of "S" products and distribute the brochures at train shows and conventions. This could be financed by the selling of ad space and updated every year. Just my opinion, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35500	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Discussion of S gauge problems/was Estimate

Note: forwarded message attached. Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35501	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: K-Line vs. SHS/AM S Equipment

All, This post is in response to part of Chris Burger's post (#35496). I certainly don't want to "open this can of worms" again (KLine vs. SHS/AM). I just wanted to add that Chris seems to assume that all of those S lines are meant for the same market. In my mind, they serve different markets. If your potential modeler is 12 or older, then I am in full agreement with Chris. By all means, show them the SHS/AM/DPH equipment. Price point is not a major issue for me here. But, what if the recipient is 6 to 12 years old? The K-Line product constitutes an S gauge line of TOY trains that kids can actually PLAY with without fear of imminent destruction. Every year when our club is operating our display layout at train shows, parents inevitably ask where they can purchase an S starter set for their young engineers. One option we have given in the past is to suggest they contact Mark Preman (List Sponsor) who will work within their budget to put a set together from available AF equipment. BUT, the first thing you see when you go to Mark's website is a disclaimer stating there is no operational warrantee for these 50-year old products. So, the KLine sets are new product that will hopefully be of decent quality (dependable operation) and that will be more accessible to the toy market. Yes, it would be nice if these products were closer to S scale, but they do use the "correct" gauge track (and 2-rail to boot). I have made some assumptions, as well, since no has yet seen the KLine product (sets). It remains to be seen how the S market will react to this new product line. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35502	From: Ironhorse	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas.

It would be great if you can follow up on it. If Don can't work on it, I would be willing. I could make RR cars (in "S" of course) That break up just like a real one in a train wreck. There are many possibilities. Roger > I do have a distant contact in Hollywood, >and she in fact starred in at least one of Spielberg's films. Soon as I can >figure a good intro, I will see if she has an idea on how we might get S >stuff on the big screen-with no cash outlay. >Do you suppose Don T. would be willing to work with a movie producer to help >make it happen? >Roy > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35503	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Z Stuff For Trains - Or other Flashing Crossbucks, Zigzags, Crossin

I think it was about a year ago that there was discussion on the group about Z Stuff for Trains (http://z-stuff.net/). Someone recommended them for having great crossing accesssories. They are made for O gauge, but they may still look pretty good for S. I thought the discussion would lead to some S gauge purchases and then there would be more feedback on the Yahoo groups. But I do not recall further discussion, especially what I was hoping for, Product Reviews. Have any of you purchased these for your layouts or seen them on other layouts so that you can comment on them? I have always thought that signals and crossing gates, zigzags, etc. could add about as much as anything to make a layout really come alive. But the American Flyer crossing gates are so delicate and toylike in appearance. I would really like to see some discussion on this subject. - Thanks - Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35504	From: Chris Burger	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line vs. SHS/AM S Equipment

Hi Jay, I'm not putting down K-Line at all. I'm saying presentation. On the other hand, I was e-mailed that someone was getting a K-Line set for $219.00 through a dealer . That's fine. Discount a Starter set from S-Helper if need be to put it in line with the K-Line set. It's all good. My point is how we present the S-Scale trains. The K-Line track is not conducive to bringing in new hobbyist to S-Scale. S-Helper, AM tracks are going to help the presentation to draw the newbies to our scale.. And another point about K-Line. Let a little guy put the track together and see how bad he gouges his hand with those sharp track pins. Guy's, your missing the whole point here. Cheaper is not better! Better presentation is better. Quit thinking the old way! I will put up a Starter set of S-Helper against the K-Line set. I will lose money to do this. You present your K-Line set the way you always present the older AF trains and I will present the S-Helper set the way I do in our store. Even though the K-line set will smoke, I bet I sell more sets to the newbies than you do the newbies. Now remember, I'm talking about new hobbyist here. Not those of us on the S-Trains list. We already have S-Scale!. Is any of this getting through? This is how we grow S-Scale. Just 10 more dollars of my thoughts. Chris "Jay E. Mellon" <jmellon@...> wrote: All, This post is in response to part of Chris Burger's post (#35496). I certainly don't want to "open this can of worms" again (KLine vs. SHS/AM). I just wanted to add that Chris seems to assume that all of those S lines are meant for the same market. In my mind, they serve different markets. If your potential modeler is 12 or older, then I am in full agreement with Chris. By all means, show them the SHS/AM/DPH equipment. Price point is not a major issue for me here. But, what if the recipient is 6 to 12 years old? The K-Line product constitutes an S gauge line of TOY trains that kids can actually PLAY with without fear of imminent destruction. Every year when our club is operating our display layout at train shows, parents inevitably ask where they can purchase an S starter set for their young engineers. One option we have given in the past is to suggest they contact Mark Preman (List Sponsor) who will work within their budget to put a set together from available AF equipment. BUT, the first thing you see when you go to Mark's website is a disclaimer stating there is no operational warrantee for these 50-year old products. So, the KLine sets are new product that will hopefully be of decent quality (dependable operation) and that will be more accessible to the toy market. Yes, it would be nice if these products were closer to S scale, but they do use the "correct" gauge track (and 2-rail to boot). I have made some assumptions, as well, since no has yet seen the KLine product (sets). It remains to be seen how the S market will react to this new product line. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35505	From: jt12313	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Metalic composition of geep chassies

I had an odd thought when I was talking with a local train guy about kitbashing. Are flyonel geep chassis steel or potmetal? just wondering:) Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35506	From: bruce weidner	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line vs. SHS/AM S Equipment

When I get my K-line pacific I will take pictures of it next to my mikado and AM Pacific and 350 Royal blue as well. This will give us an over all view as to where it fits in sizr wise. --- "Jay E. Mellon" <jmellon@...> wrote: > All, > This post is in response to part of Chris Burger's > post (#35496). I certainly don't want to "open this > can of worms" again (KLine vs. SHS/AM). I just > wanted to add that Chris seems to assume that all of > those S lines are meant for the same market. In my > mind, they serve different markets. If your > potential modeler is 12 or older, then I am in full > agreement with Chris. By all means, show them the > SHS/AM/DPH equipment. Price point is not a major > issue for me here. But, what if the recipient is 6 > to 12 years old? The K-Line product constitutes an > S gauge line of TOY trains that kids can actually > PLAY with without fear of imminent destruction. > Every year when our club is operating our display > layout at train shows, parents inevitably ask where > they can purchase an S starter set for their young > engineers. One option we have given in the past is > to suggest they contact Mark Preman (List Sponsor) > who will work within their budget to put a set > together from available AF equipment. BUT, the > first thing you see when you go to Mark's website is > a disclaimer stating there is no operational > warrantee for these 50-year old products. So, the > KLine sets are new product that will hopefully be of > decent quality (dependable operation) and that will > be more accessible to the toy market. Yes, it would > be nice if these products were closer to S scale, > but they do use the "correct" gauge track (and > 2-rail to boot). I have made some assumptions, as > well, since no has yet seen the KLine product > (sets). It remains to be seen how the S market will > react to this new product line. > > 'S'incerely, > Jay Mellon > New Orleans, LA > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35507	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: Z Stuff For Trains - Or other Flashing Crossbucks, Zigzags, Cro

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@a... wrote: > I think it was about a year ago that there was discussion on the group about > Z Stuff for Trains (http://z-stuff.net/). Someone recommended them for having > great crossing accesssories. They are made for O gauge, but they may still > look pretty good for S. > > I thought the discussion would lead to some S gauge purchases and then there > would be more feedback on the Yahoo groups. But I do not recall further > discussion, especially what I was hoping for, Product Reviews. > > Have any of you purchased these for your layouts or seen them on other > layouts so that you can comment on them? > > I have always thought that signals and crossing gates, zigzags, etc. could > add about as much as anything to make a layout really come alive. But the > American Flyer crossing gates are so delicate and toylike in appearance. I would > really like to see some discussion on this subject. > > - Thanks - Earl Henry > Nashville, TN > > Earl, I have been trying to purchase a pair of Z Stuff Wig Wags for my hirail S layout for well over a year now. Actually, I asked for them for my birthday in January 2004. They weren't available at that time and so I tried again this past January and I think the story was that availability of the next shipment had been delayed by the Asian Tsunami disaster. I think the last time I checked with Z stuff, they were expecting them about now (end of April). I have never seen any of the Z stuff in operation, so I am interested to hear any reviews/opinions. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35508	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: magazines and "red Camaros"

another of my interests besides S trains is my 73 Nova SS which is currently"hibernating". Reading Hot Rod,Car Craft etc brings up some of the type of comments as heard about CTT S Gaugian MR etc."too many red Camaros",not enough Fords,Mopars,AMCs or whatever else.some even wrote CC sugguesting it be renamed Camaro Craft.sound familiar? I used to belong to National Nostalgic Nova,they put out a mag which was also a parts catalog.articles were submitted by members.sound familiar? If trains were cars Lionel would be a 57 Chevy Bel Air.Flyer would be a 58 Plymouth Fury or Studebaker Golden Hawk,less common,but neat in its own right.Just my $.99 worth. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35509	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Re: magazines and "red Camaros"

Good analogy! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35510	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: Z-stuff for trains

Hi Earl and others, I also was hoping for feedback on the wig-wags or crossing gates from someone on the list. I did purchase the DZ-1260 water tower animator and hooked it up to my 596 water tower. It operates ok and I have pictures of how I set it up if anyone is interested. My only negative is that the sound of rushing water sounds less than perfect, somewhat like radio static. I would like to hear the sounds of a crossing bell before I spent the money for the crossing options. My fear is that it would sound more toy like than real - much like the 759 crossing gate. Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35511	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2005
Subject: York--DAy 4, "Yorkin' at the Fairgrounds"

Crossed the Susquehanna in overcast, threat of rain hanging around. Traffic lighter than remembered at 0630 on a Friday morn. Found "The World's Most Expensive Breakfast in York" with a waiting line. Did lines in my navy days, avoid lines now. Had a cup of their coffee instead. With great good fortune, seats were available at OPS MGR John Lupino's table. If you have not met or talked with John, you have missed a great experience. Doubt we pay him close to enough. In due time, we were joined by "the other" Clem, Clem Tully, Mr & Mrs Clem ( Clem & Sandy Clement) and a host of others. Veteran NTTM Parking guy Paul Herr showed just as Prez Clem began his "Welcome". Most interesting facts, some regarding donuts of a "Maple" kind. Seems the Maple Donuts people have been most generous with Eastern Div. Ice Cream was also explained as were some of the forthcoming changes. Changes in York Meet you ask in fright??? Yepper. Gonna let them explain it, I'll be there. Seems as the National Anthem was being played, several gentlemen were conducting themselves in a manner disconcerting to the military vets in attendence. You can always pick the Vets out when the Anthem is played. Their right hand or hat in right hand is always over their hearts as they stand silently gazing at OUR flag. Millions have defended it, hundreds of thousands have died doing so. 3 Minutes isn't much to ask. And the rush was on. Shopping was conducted, friends were greeted, deals were made. The Crab Cake Sandwich was most tasty, room was saved for dinner with the guys, however. As treasures were carried to waiting cars and busses, the "members" halls were closing at 4:30, leaving Purple and Orange Dealer Halls open til 6 PM. Yepper, York is changing. Gonna be interesting to change a venue inhabited by thousands of people, many of whom would not lift a toy train made after 1967. I'll be there in the Fall, HOPE you will be too. Gotta go get some sleep, working three excursions out of Harrisburg Station in AM. Jim "Livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35512	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Z-stuff

I have a number of the dwarf signals and really like them. I hope to get the crossing gates. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35513	From: Phil K	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Re: York--DAy 4, "Yorkin' at the Fairgrounds"

Jim -- Thanks for the daily updates. Due to work schedule conflicts, I have never been lucky enough to go to York, although someday I'd love to. So guys like me depend on folks like you who serve as our eyes and ears at such events. Thanks, Phil K ____________________________________________________________________ In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@a... wrote: > Crossed the Susquehanna in overcast, threat of rain hanging around. Traffic > lighter than remembered at 0630 on a Friday morn. Found "The World's Most > Expensive Breakfast in York" with a waiting line. Did lines in my navy days, > avoid lines now. Had a cup of their coffee instead. With great good > fortune, seats were available at OPS MGR John Lupino's table. If you have not met > or talked with John, you have missed a great experience. Doubt we pay him > close to enough. > > In due time, we were joined by "the other" Clem, Clem Tully, Mr & Mrs Clem > ( Clem & Sandy Clement) and a host of others. Veteran NTTM Parking guy Paul > Herr showed just as Prez Clem began his "Welcome". Most interesting facts, > some regarding donuts of a "Maple" kind. Seems the Maple Donuts people have > been most generous with Eastern Div. Ice Cream was also explained as were > some of the forthcoming changes. Changes in York Meet you ask in fright??? > Yepper. Gonna let them explain it, I'll be there. > > Seems as the National Anthem was being played, several gentlemen were > conducting themselves in a manner disconcerting to the military vets in attendence. > You can always pick the Vets out when the Anthem is played. Their right > hand or hat in right hand is always over their hearts as they stand silently > gazing at OUR flag. Millions have defended it, hundreds of thousands have > died doing so. 3 Minutes isn't much to ask. > > And the rush was on. Shopping was conducted, friends were greeted, deals > were made. The Crab Cake Sandwich was most tasty, room was saved for dinner > with the guys, however. As treasures were carried to waiting cars and busses, > the "members" halls were closing at 4:30, leaving Purple and Orange Dealer > Halls open til 6 PM. Yepper, York is changing. Gonna be interesting to > change a venue inhabited by thousands of people, many of whom would not lift a toy > train made after 1967. I'll be there in the Fall, HOPE you will be too. > > Gotta go get some sleep, working three excursions out of Harrisburg Station > in AM. > > Jim "Livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35514	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Discussion of S gauge problems

Roy Inman wrote, AND just as important, there is no internal struggle over flange size and consequent track and turnout problems as there is with S gauge. I'm going out on a limb with this one, but I believe we are making this a bigger problem then it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we look at mainstream H0, it would be considered Hi-rail. They do have their scale faction, which is referred to as 'proto 87'. Proto 87 as all the tight requirements with flanges, flangeways, etc. that S scale has with 'proto 64'. I know 0 gauge has the same thing with their 'proto 48' for scalers and 17/64" scale for the real hardcore. I believe N also shares this problem. I seem to remember that some European makes won't run on 'normal N track because of the flanges. Yes, we do have three distinct areas of interest Flyer, Hi-rail and scale. However, they overlap and mesh nicely. Flyer will run on Hi-rail layouts and most Hi-rail will operate on tinplate. I find Hi-rail and scale very compatible. Most scale will operate on code 125, 138 or 148 rail. As for turnouts, I have open frog #4s and #6s which operate any scale item that has been presented to them. Brass is a bit more fussy, but then brass is a hobby unto itself... Tom (experienced at being wrong) Stoltz -- married, two teenagers Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35515	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Re: Discussion of S gauge problems

Tom, You mention mainstream HO as being Hi-rail, which I think is about right in comparison. You didn't mention that there used to be an HO equivalent to tinplate, which necessitated code 100 rail due to the pizza-cutter wheels, and frequently used the previously ubiquitous horn-hook coupler. This was before most manufacturers accepted the NMRA RP25 wheel contour as standard, which was a gradual process, and most recently, many manufacturers have come out with their own versions of Kadee-compatible couplers. I think the pizza-cutter wheels are still out there if you hunt for them as are the horn-hooks. Some HO modelers go semi-scale, using a narrower (but not scale) wheel on NMRA standard track. True Proto-87 won't run on NMRA track standards because track flange widths are too big. Darrell S --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@g...> wrote: > I'm going out on a limb with this one, but I believe we are making this a bigger problem then it is. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we look at mainstream H0, it would be considered Hi-rail. They do have their scale faction, which is referred to as 'proto 87'. Proto 87 as all the tight requirements with flanges, flangeways, etc. that S scale has with 'proto 64'. I know 0 gauge has the same thing with their 'proto 48' for scalers and 17/64" scale for the real hardcore. I believe N also shares this problem. I seem to remember that some European makes won't run on 'normal N track because of the flanges.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35516	From: James	Date: 4/30/2005
Subject: Western Regional "S" NASG Convention "2004"

Hi! All. Question: Was there any follow on reports concerning the Western Regional 2004 Convention at Tacoma, Wa. In the Dispatch, the "S"Gaugian, or for that matter anyother publications, following the completion of the 2004 Convention? Thank's All! Have a Great Day!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35517	From: Roger Walton	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: York thoughts

Was at York on Friday. Didn't seem as crowded as in the past despite pre-registrations of over 13K persons. Maybe everyone was at the orange/purple (dealer) halls first, while I always head to the blue and silver halls to start. Picked up a couple Flyer cars (933 B&O, 985 B&M) in nice condition that I had been searching for, so I was pleased. Shuffled my way through all of the halls in about 6.5 hours; as usual, an amazing variety of trains. If you have never been there, make it a point to go some time in the future. Roger Walton TCA 87-26593 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35518	From: beebear	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: S gauge track

Hello All Has anyone purchased any track from Classic Trains - http://www.classictrains.com? I see from their web page that they sell straight track in 60" sections which would be great for yards etc John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35519	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: Re;Discussion of S gauge problems

Y'all...after many years of "scale" model railroading, I'm currently doing On30 (narrow gauge) and S (standard gauge.) The attraction to go S gauge again is the bigger wheel flanges and couplers on scale looking equipment. To me this is the best of both worlds...it operates reliably and looks good. (I wish I could run bigger wheel flanges in On30, but that's another story.) As far as S gauge being fragmented, I'm not sure that's a big deal, except for some "hard core" types. After all, in auto racing there are those who race Late Models, Modifieds, or Hobby Stocks and each love their class of car. But they're still all stock car racers. Chris Burger is onto something with "presentation." But I also think we need to come up with more S scale structures, vehicles, and figures to be competitive with other scales. Stumpy Stone...Hi-Rail is Fun...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35520	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: S Gauge GG-1 For Sale

I have an S gauge GG1 for sale. I do not believe it is an American Model version. It is an epoxy cast type, I believe. It runs well. Pictures posted at the group site under Bill Lyon. Email me offline if interested. Bill Lyon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35521	From: roy inman	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Discussion of S gauge problems

What fragmentation of the gauge has given us is confusion. In HO for example, there is essentially one flange size and one coupler size, far as I know. In O there are two couplers and two flanges: scale and high rail. In N, as far as I know there is only one flange size and only one coupler size. In S, however, we have at least three flange sizes, old ACG, Flyonel, AM, and I don't know, what is SHS? As many of you, I have worked in a hobby shop, and the tiny, tiny number of people who inquire about S become disoriented and their eyes glaze over when the "explanation" of the various options are given. And what about turnouts? Lionel doesn't even make S track. But Stumpy is probably correct, the struggle between scale and high rail is mostly internal, but if we are divided, if we don't fall, at least we may not grow as fast as On30, for instance. Cheers :) Roy on 5/1/05 1:51 PM, Stumpy Stone at mrstumpy@... wrote: > As far as S gauge being fragmented, I'm not sure that's a big deal, > except for some "hard core" types.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35522	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2005
Subject: Re: Metalic composition of geep chassies

Would guess the one I picked up to look at on Wed was both. Steel handrails, p/m cast chassis. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35523	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: TV promotion

I suspect the "small screen" would be more effective "promotion" than the "big screen"....and easier to accomplish multiple times. How many of you saw the S layout on the FOX Morning News 2-3 years ago???? The Vanacores (& friends) travelled to NYC with a complete S layout and started setting it up outside the studio about 3 AM. They were then featured during the live news program that morning, promoting S as well as their great New Haven Train Show. Original AF items, as well as SHS equipment displayed and operating.... Yes it was only a couple of minutes long, but how long do you think an S layout (or ANY scale layout!) might get featured in a movie....and probably with NO explanation accpmpanying it !!) There are undoubtedly hundreds if not thousands of local news-magazine programs, and cable TV local-programming options as well, all over the country. There's plenty of opportunity for free exposure and promotion via those vehicles ! Just takes some effort! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. ----ORIGINAL MESSAGE--- <<< From: Ironhorse <cofa@...> Subject: Re: Re: MAGAZINE - Sales and promotion ideas. It would be great if you can follow up on it. If Don can't work on it, I would be willing. I could make RR cars (in "S" of course) That break up just like a real one in a train wreck. There are many possibilities. Roger > I do have a distant contact in Hollywood, >and she in fact starred in at least one of Spielberg's films. Soon as I can >figure a good intro, I will see if she has an idea on how we might get S >stuff on the big screen-with no cash outlay. >Do you suppose Don T. would be willing to work with a movie producer to help >make it happen? >Roy >>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35524	From: lember2004	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question

I am trying to find information or a diagram that explains/shows the internal wiring of the AF 720A remote contolled switches; in particular, i want to understand: 1. what aspect of operation each of the 4 terminals [black, red, green, yellow] controls/effects;and, 2. what the electrical connections between the track segments are in both "regular" and "two train" mode. Any help will be much appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35525	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question

Dear Mark, The wire colors are really cool. The black is the common, the yellow the light, the red throws the switch towards the siding and the green towards the mainline. Don lember2004 wrote: >I am trying to find information or a diagram that explains/shows the >internal wiring of the AF 720A remote contolled switches; in >particular, i want to understand: >1. what aspect of operation each of the 4 terminals [black, red, green, >yellow] controls/effects;and, >2. what the electrical connections between the track segments are in >both "regular" and "two train" mode. >Any help will be much appreciated! >Mark > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35526	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question

1. Black is base post power from the transformer. Yellow is fixed power from the transformer. Yellow and black together power the light. Red comes from the switch controller to switch the switch to the red (curved) track. Green does the same to the green track. 2. In regular mode, power goes to both the red and green tracks. The moveable piece in the middle gets power to match the track it is switched to. The outside tracks are continuous and, obviously, always have power in "two train" mode. Internal wiring connects or disconnects the other two rails depending on which way the switch is switched. If it's switched to green, the outside rail of the red line gets no power. Conversely if it's switched to red. If you want to get into some of the implications of that in a complex layout, go to http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/operations.html It will tell you how to prevent a train from running into a switch that's flipped the wrong way, and hence derailing. Bob lember2004 <mrlembersky@...> wrote: I am trying to find information or a diagram that explains/shows the internal wiring of the AF 720A remote contolled switches; in particular, i want to understand: 1. what aspect of operation each of the 4 terminals [black, red, green, yellow] controls/effects;and, 2. what the electrical connections between the track segments are in both "regular" and "two train" mode. Any help will be much appreciated! Mark S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35527	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: DEALER LAYOUT

I uploaded several photo's of the dealer layout that was set up at the Gilbert meeting at the York show. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35528	From: MHoffman@mahalaw.com	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: drawbar on 312 (1946)

I am new to AF. I have a 312 loco from 1946. The stud attaching the tender to the loco does not work and the engine and loco separate when running. I am not sure if I have all the parts, because when I purchased the loco, the stud was loose.I realize the stud is about a dollar part, but I cannot run the loco as the tender and train get "left behind at the station." Can someone please help me and describe in greater detail how the loco and tender connect with the stud, to see what else, if anything, needs to be done. I appreciate any information. Best, Mark A. Hoffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35529	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Working the halls

A couple of weeks ago on the TCA list, there was a discussion on how to work the halls, since there are so many and not enough time. I responded that I learned from Ralph Loveless and Bob Tufts, that working the halls looking for AF, was serious business! I wrote that one has to be fast, scanning the tables, as you pass by, especially the tables, that a mix bag of things and not strictly AF. When you spot a AF table, yes, I stop, but things that are O, I pass by looking quickly as they might have a bit of AF. Well, Jerry and Erney saw me in action Saturday, as we had a great dinner on Friday, as I passed them by in the rred hall, as I did not see them, as I was walking fast, scanning a table. Yes, sometimes I missed something, like not seeing two friends, as Linda, my wife heard them call out! I felt really bad!!! But then, we stood by this table for about 15 minutes as the owner got excited like we wanted to buy something! Next year I am going to wear my ped o meter! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35530	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Sites and sounds of York

Everyone is writing about how they did or liked York, but let me first write about the sites of things I saw before entering the hollow grounds of the Fairgrounds and at the fairgrounds. I will write a bit later on my findings and other things. On Route 30 from Gettysburg, I have never seen so many places selling exotic birds and dogs, plus all the "Recycling Centers" really know as auto junk yards, which I do need from time to time for my 19 year Voyager van that Jerry and Erney saw, that looks in LN condition! LOL Hey, beat car payments, more money for York! Hey, the van has never broken down, well, okay, there was this one time, the dealer did some work on the carburetor and the next day, on the interstate, the cruise control got stuck, since they did something to it and we almost died going 90 miles a hour, until I turn off the key, after nothing else worked!!! Of course, going the other way on 30 from Gettysburg, there are a ton of "Adult Toy Stores" with business names, like Lindsay's Adult Toy Store. No, I don't think they sell train related things here, as my wife and I still laugh at that and no, we did not stop in there. By my hotel at York on E Market Street on the other side of I-83, were life size neon Palm trees for the night club. I don't think too many TCA member made it there! At the fairgrounds, I did see a old Hearse turned into a normal car, which reminded me of a great B grade movie, Harold and Maude. Now let us move into the halls of trains. I did see a few on cell phones, but I didn't want to get my head handed to me, by this people, as I saw one owner at a table, use a walkie talkie. I saw a woman walking the halls with a chill-wow-wa, as I spelled this wrong, a Taco Bell type of dog, in a back pack!!! Oh well. Now for the non train items for sale at York, which are not allowed. I saw a ratty looking 12 inch tall mechanical Parrot, great for any Parrot head, but then, maybe not, since this thing looked awful! Maybe Neil Young could of purchased this for Jimmy Buffett. At least the Beanie Babies are no longer in the halls!!! One of the weirdness things I have ever seen at a train Shoppe was the Gay Bob Doll at the old B&E Junction in New Oxford. I wasn't even going to ask Bill later, who purchased that thing and why?! LOL The mechanical Monkey for sale was just just as bad!!!! And then, the ceramic Christmas trees, with lights, in all shapes and sizes, could be questionable, maybe this could be used on a layout, but not for me. Then there was the Marx Lincoln Tunnel, which I don't think would work well on a layout, but it was more train related than the monkey and parrot! And for lunch, were again, the Crab Cake stand. Wonderful crabcakes! I did see this bus, which looked liked Neil Young's bus, that I saw in 1996, but the color was gray, not green with wood strips on it, and it had a FL tag not CA like the last one time. I didn't think Neil had TWO buses, as someone else, must of copied the car tops on the roof. But on Saturday, I did go through the Lionel, which is like giving Garlic to a vampire, as I am a A.C. Gilbert fan, and I asked someone about Neil, and I just missed him at the Lionel display. So we headed by the bus, as we were getting to leave and I recognize Neil's son Ben, who has CP and is wheel chair bound, with a group of men, outside the bus. So, my wife and I walked up to them and I asked if they were with Neil and they were. I told them that I sent a card to Neil, via the directory address and he asked if I was at the Lionel meeting Thursday and I said no, we were not. They said that Neil was there and thanked everyone for the cards. I told them that I was a Neil Young fan since Buffalo Springfield days, as I still follow Young, as now I am into folk music. I told them I was surprised to learn that Neil was into in trains, when I got into TCA in 1992. I also told them that I just got 4 bootleg CD's of concerts from Ireland and I will be getting a few more, hopefully. One guy looked up and called for security in a joking way, as they said Neil doesn't mind people trading CD's of things, as he wanted to know if they were the new ones out there! No, mine are from 15 years ago! LOL They were cool with it. Then a elderly man, gray hair come out and started to joke with me if I had any money left over. Then he said something like "No Photo's" as that was not on my mind, as he said Neil is not doing photo's now as they were getting to leave. I said that is fine, as I wasn't even thinking of that. I did say hello to Ben, as he does have to ability to understand you, I believe. My wife, Linda, said one thing missing at York, would be those depressing Blue Grass or Country train songs, as we listen to WAMU on Sundays as they do Blue Grass music and they had a set of real depressing train songs where the train crashed, and the men were still at the throttle trying to correct things till the end! Talk about dedication to the job! So, Clem, please have train songs piped into the halls next time! So we left and headed for home at about 2 pm. And more eye surgery on Friday, as I have a concert at the Barnes of Wolftrappe for Lucy Kaplansky. I will be there, as the surgery is 8:30 in the morning and the concert is 8 pm. They are not cutting open the eye this time, as a band is being put behind the eye socket to hold the retina together, so what is the difference being in pain at home or at a concert! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35531	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/2/2005
Subject: Site and sounds, part 2

A couple of things I forgot to mention. The auto tag on Neil's bus is Zuma, which is the title of a first LP after the days of CSN&Y. The other thing I saw, was this giant looking Buda cat, lighted up, with his paw going up and down, waving, as the arm of the cat had something written in Chinese. It wasn't for sale, just part of the table display, being friendly, I guess, as I am not sure what this meant! Well, at dinner I told someone about it and he said that was a "Lucky Cat" that is used by the Chinese in restaurants or elsewhere! And that reminds of a song by Emerson Lake and Palmer, that goes like this, "OOOO what a lucky man he was" and so on. Notice, they did not sing SSSSSS! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35532	From: Gregg	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Sibley (Boy's RR Club) AF Layout

I have posted pix of the layout that Charlie and Clay Buckage brought to the Gilbert Get-Together at York last week. http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?page=1 Great layout! Thanks Charlie and Clay! Gregg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35533	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: York Gilbert Get Together and the Department Store Layout

A few musings about the Gilbert Get Together, which was fantastic. About 150 people there--the largest ever. It necessitated a move to a different building to accomodate everyone. The Rochester department store layout purchased out of Florida by the Buckage's is fantastic. It was built circa 1950 by the Gilbert factory and consists of a base with four 4 by 8 panels on top of it. The Buckage's built a rack with runner for each board to facilitate transport in their trailer. Bob Persing and Bard (among others) took extensive pictures, which should be available on-line soon. It took about 8 of us (Clay and his dad, Dick Kneupper, Barb, Bob Conner, Mike Myers, and myself) about 2 hours to get the layout set up. The layout consists of continuous ribbon rail (except at the joiner tracks between panels, which were all numbered and carefully arranged for installation by Barb) hand bent and formed to make three different curve diameters at one point on the layout. Putting the base together is a task in and of itself. After a slight false start with putting the cross members on top (instead of beneath) the side cross supports, we began assembling the panels. It was a really interesting feat to align anywhere from 8 to 10 sections of track when assembling adjacent panels, but we eventually got the knack of it. Panels are held together with regular large door hinges with Barb crawling around beneath the layout and inserting the pins (using the light on her cell phone to see what she was doing). We even moved mountains that night, as the mesa (upper Flyerville area) and large mountain in one corner were added onto the layout. Following assembly, the layout basically ran flawlessly (except in one spot under the mountain where we failed to get a track pin properly inserted). The layout runs 4 trains simultaneously on 3 loops, with two trains running on one loop controlled by a 760 Semaphore and 60 year-old mechanical relays (which operated flawlessly). The only real problem was with the Talking Station, which had a drag on the the turntable, distorting the sound. BTW, the factory created a Rube Goldberg record pickup for this station consisting on a wood block with a needle out of a metal container with two wires, which ran to a large amplified speaker placed under the layout to overcome the ambient noise of the department store. Following the meeting (which broke up about midnight), it took the same crew about an hour to disassembly the layout, re-pack the trains, and load the layout back onto the trailer. Even though we did not get finished until 1 a.m., it was a night to remember for ever. (BTW, U.S. 30 is a joy to drive at 1 am, unlike trying to tackle it any other time during the York meet). Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35534	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: K-Line Steamer

K-Line has cancelled the upcoming Pacific locomotive. The China factory basically doubled the cost of this loco, effectively killing its manufacture at this time. However, K-Line will still be producing the Plymouth switcher and the Porter. BTW, K-Line (and the other manufacturers as well) have been told by the Chinese to expect a 50 percent increase in manufacturing prices next year. K-Line (and I suppose others as well) will be looking elsewhere to see if they can get lower manufacturing costs. They left Korea for China, so who is next in line? The Pacific is not entirely dead (if they can locate another manufacturer) as K-Line was very pleased with the advance orders for this item. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35535	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: 720A Switch operation/wiring question

Hello: Tom Jarco wrote two very good articles in S Gaugian on the subject of switches- March/April 2000 and September/ October 2000. Bill L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35536	From: nflomenb	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Precautions with Paint

I am wondering if someone can give me advice re precautions for solvent based paint. I must confess I haven't done much painting thus far in my years in the hobby. I now need to do some detail work on my layout. I was going to use Floquil paints. Have to do this work in the house. No way to take it outside. Best I can do is open the windows in the basement and possibly set up a fan. Some of the stuff I have read suggests that this is inadequate even for brushing solvent based paints (let alone airbrushing which is not what I want/need to do). They basically say - if you can smell it, it's getting into your system. I could spring for a filter mask, but then what about my kids? There's a limit to how much I can keep them out of the basement. So, the question is what is real and what is alarmist? Suggestions for water based alternatives would be apprecited as well as comments on what you lose with water based rather than solvent based paints. Many thanks, Neal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35537	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

The new list with most of the York purchases is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35538	From: wintermutedm	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: DEALER LAYOUT

That is a cool layout. Anyone have the plans for it? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT A PERSING" <bobville@p...> wrote: > I uploaded several photo's of the dealer layout that was set up at the > Gilbert meeting at the York show. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35539	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: Precautions with Paint

Hello Neal.......you do not need to use solvent base paint. Floquil and others make excellent water soluable hase paints that are much safer to use. Check your local hobby shops for whats available in your area......Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "nflomenb" <Neal.Flomenberg@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Precautions with Paint > I am wondering if someone can give me advice re precautions for > solvent based paint. I must confess I haven't done much painting > thus far in my years in the hobby. > > I now need to do some detail work on my layout. I was going to use > Floquil paints. Have to do this work in the house. No way to take > it outside. Best I can do is open the windows in the basement and > possibly set up a fan. > > Some of the stuff I have read suggests that this is inadequate even > for brushing solvent based paints (let alone airbrushing which is > not what I want/need to do). They basically say - if you can smell > it, it's getting into your system. I could spring for a filter > mask, but then what about my kids? There's a limit to how much I > can keep them out of the basement. > > So, the question is what is real and what is alarmist? Suggestions > for water based alternatives would be apprecited as well as comments > on what you lose with water based rather than solvent based paints. > > Many thanks, > Neal > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35540	From: roy inman	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: Precautions with Paint

on 5/3/05 8:53 AM, nflomenb at Neal.Flomenberg@... wrote: > So, the question is what is real and what is alarmist? Suggestions > for water based alternatives would be appreciated as well as comments > on what you lose with water based rather than solvent based paints. > > Many thanks, > Neal Neal, Call me a wimp, but all I use are the water based paints. In whatever I do, I see no advantage to using solvent based paints. ATSF red is still ATSF red to me. Other, more precise modelers may disagree. In practice, and for INTERIOR use, I have seen no difference in the final result. If you are painting bathroom trim, or exterior window trim on your full-scale house, then perhaps solvent based paints might be a good choice because the stuff is more durable. Or, if you plan on leaving your models outside in the weather, year 'round, then solvent based paints are your best choice. Don't know about others, but once I paint a structure or module, it usually doesn't get all that much handling. In fact, the rolling stock doesn't get that much handling either. As far as what is real and what is alarmist: At my age I tend to err on the side of alarmist. I have read that some of the toxic stuff is cumulative. After years and years of using, breathing, and in some cases with some chemicals, being absorbed through the skin, it apparently builds up in organ tissues. Sort of the way DDT does, I guess. And according to the disease control center in Atlanta, probably every living thing on the planet has at least a trace of DDT in its system. I have personally experienced breathing problems after only a few minutes use of a solvent based paint. My workshop is right next to the darkroom, which has a powered exhaust fan. So I was able to run an exhaust fan extension vent from the workshop through the ceiling of the darkroom to the outside. My ventilation is pretty good, and still the fumes build up. So I use water based everything, from glues to paints. I use CA instant glues rarely, because they have been reported to cause extreme reactions in some people. The Academy of Model Aeronautics magazine, Model Aviation, runs a safety column every month and the subject of CA glues has come up time and time again. Lots of different reactions from different modelers. Who can say how much is too much? And what is too much for one might not be enough to trigger a response in another, at least not right away. There are too many variables, inside the body and in the working environment to make a generalized statement about what is safe for YOU. As I said at the top, I like to err on the side of caution, so call me a wimp, just don't call me late to dinner. Maybe, God willing, I will be around to eat it-dinner that is :) Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35541	From: Gregg	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: Sibley (Boy's RR Club) AF Layout

OOPS! Bad link! It is in my album on Paul Yorke's RR Photo Gallery. Try this.. http://s-scale.org/albums/albup62 Sorry Gregg --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg" <gmummert@h...> wrote: > I have posted pix of the layout that Charlie and Clay Buckage brought > to the Gilbert Get-Together at York last week. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?page=1 > > Great layout! > Thanks Charlie and Clay! > > Gregg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35542	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer

Sorry, but the thing was "dead" all along. It shows how truly low S gauge is in K-Line's priorities. I had a really discouraging chat with Bob Grubba during York. I said to him that it was great that K-Line was expanding into S, but I asked politely how about starting to do some new tooling for items that would be "killers" and "got-a-haves?" He replied in a most defensive and rather unfriendly tone that S gauge is small niche where almost no one preorders (a really contradictory thought since they do get preorders) -- translate this as "S gaugers are cheap" -- and that K-Line would only consider new tooling if they saw a "big spike" in business. I mentioned to him (and he agreed) that the freight cars (such as they are) do sell well, so doesn't this indicate a market? Despite this, he refused to acknowledge that S was worth some serious attention. I pointed out to him that Lionel AF B&O Mikado sets going for ~$1300 on eBay indicate that the great products will sell if you hit the mark, but dismissed the facts. He denied any knowledge about the petition signed a while back to get the "Little Boy" built in S gauge -- we all know that several hundred + signatures were obtained -- and called the story "bs," only he said out the phrase the long way. Buy the K-stuff if you are so inclined, but rest assured, not one thin dime will go into new tooling. They will not do anything beyond some regauging of off-scale pieces to build Frankentrains. It was the SOLE discouraging moment during an otherwise magnificent York. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/3/2005 10:36:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: The Pacific is not entirely dead (if they can locate another manufacturer) ..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35543	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: York Gilbert Get Together and the Department Store Layout

Hi.... A HUGE THANKS goes out to Joe, Dick Kuepper, Bob Conner, Mike Myers and Barb Rudnicki with all the help they provided with the layout. Forgive me if I've missed anyone. Boy, it's a great feeling to have people just dive right in and help out. What a camaraderie we have in this organization! We could not have done it without you guys!!!! I will post more of the exact details of the layout later tonight. I am posting pics of the progress at Chuck's site myflyertrains dot org Let me know if you need help navigating the Album Section. Thanks! and What a great York! -Clay 96-42817 --- Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > A few musings about the Gilbert Get Together, which > was fantastic. About 150 people there--the largest > ever. <snip> Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35544	From: Gregg	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: PRR E8 Excursion - 4/30/05

I also posted pix of the 3PM run of the E8's on Saturday, 4/30, out of Harrisburg. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/amflyer336/album?.dir=3968&.src=ph&store=& prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos What a weekend! Gregg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35545	From: John Foley	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: NASG HW's

Hi Folks The NASG Heavy Weight Passenger cars are selling well. The Tucson Cars are completely sold out. I have plenty of the 2 Tone gray cars left. I have some of the Pullman green cars also in both body styles. They have the Pullman lettering applied but I have no other decals available for them. These cars are selling at $60 each plus the usual shipping. A $5.savings. If interested go to, http://www.nasg.org/hwpullmans.html. If you order any Green cars just deduct $5. each. Thanks John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35546	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: DEALER LAYOUT

LOOK AT THE MAY 1998 CTT MAG.... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DEALER LAYOUT > That is a cool layout. Anyone have the plans for it? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT A PERSING" <bobville@p...> > wrote: >> I uploaded several photo's of the dealer layout that was set up at > the >> Gilbert meeting at the York show. Bob Persing > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35547	From: Phil K	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer

>>He denied any knowledge about the petition signed a while back to get the "Little Boy" built in S gauge -- we all know that several hundred + signatures were obtained -- and called the story "bs," only he said out the phrase the long way.<< Good points in your post, Bob. Well, regarding the above passage, I have a pretty good memory, and it was at the NASG Convention in 2003 at Ocomomowoc, Wis. In the trading hall a couple of guys who said they were K-Line representatives were manning a display showing K-Line freight cars and handing out catalogs. They also had a list going on a legal pad - - asking for names who'd buy an articulated Challenger if K-Line would retool the O gauge model (mostly the chassis) for S gauge trackage. Please note I'm not trying to regurgitate the tired argument on the true scale of the K-Line 3-rail articulated here, you know, where some claim it is 1:58 or whatever. That's not the point. But I also clearly remember them saying the cost would be about $500 for the basic (low-end electronics) S version, due to about $100,000 in additional tooling costs. I had no problem with that price, and scribbled my name on the list. But I do not remember the "list" being billed as a petition. Instead, I was told it was a "sign-up sheet." Which IS a big difference. Let's consider this scenario, strictly speculative on my part: K-Line saw some of the initial hype over the Pacific -- much of it on this board. We had roughly 12 percent of the S-Trains membership (diehard S-gaugers) vote in the K-Line poll, which any poll-taking organization will tell you is a pretty high number for voluntary polls. Most companies collecting voluntary data expect and are happy to get a 3-4 percent response. Of 121 people who voted, 113 were "for" the K-Line sets (93 percent) and most of those indicated they'd buy at least one Pacific. If there are only 20,000 people nationally who buy or run S, that would translate into several thousand potential Pacific sales -- more than enough to justify putting the production wheels in motion. Even if the pre-orders weren't outstanding (as we all know, most general train dealers won't even give S a chance), K-Line apparently doesn't want to give the sets a chance to fly. No one knows how people who have no train set but are in the market will react if you don't run the flag up the pole to see who salutes. No one can successfully and accurately predict how the buying public will accept anything until you offer it. Remember, George Lucas once had a lot of trouble finding a movie studio to bankroll the original "Star Wars" -- even after he had the surprise blockbuster "American Graffiti" on his resume. Still speculating, K-Line also observed the high demand and rapid sellout of the Lionel Mikes at $500+ each. So suddenly, the announced price of $149.95 retail seemed like too much of a bargain for excited potential S buyers. Draw your own conclusion here. And why doesn't K-Line still put together "starter" sets with the Porters and Plymouths at the head end? I think I've seen similar offerings in 3-rail in their catalog. So like many, I'm grossly offended at this latest vacillating "hedge" regarding the Pacifics. If you announce you're going to manufacture something at a given price, then do so. Sounds like someone at K-Line didn't do their homework on this -- not getting solid manufacturing costs before making an announcement. How can you set a price for an item when you don't know its manufacturing costs? Duh. I still don't think I was wrong in supporting K-Line's Pacific effort, based on what K-Line had originally announced. I took them at their word. But with this new turn of events, sadly it reminds me that it's still all Big Business. We S gaugers may just be a small "niche," to use the K-Line guy's terminolgy, but we're as fiercely loyal to our scale as we are passionate. Guys like Ron Bashista and Don Thompson -- and to a great extent, Lionel Flyer, too -- have clearly and repreatedly demonstrated they're in this for the long haul, not just as opportunists who are looking to make a "quick kill" and hit the jackpot. AM, SHS and Flyonel have earned our continued support. With this latest news, though, I cannot say the same for K-Line. Phil K _____________________________________________________________________ >> Sorry, but the thing was "dead" all along. It shows how truly low S gauge is in K-Line's priorities. I had a really discouraging chat with Bob Grubba during York. I said to him that it was great that K-Line was expanding into S, but I asked politely how about starting to do some new tooling for items that would be "killers" and "got-a-haves?" He replied in a most defensive and rather unfriendly tone that S gauge is small niche where almost no one preorders (a really contradictory thought since they do get preorders) -- translate this as "S gaugers are cheap" -- and that K-Line would only consider new tooling if they saw a "big spike" in business. I mentioned to him (and he agreed) that the freight cars (such as they are) do sell well, so doesn't this indicate a market? Despite this, he refused to acknowledge that S was worth some serious attention. I pointed out to him that Lionel AF B&O Mikado sets going for ~$1300 on eBay indicate that the great products will sell if you hit the mark, but dismissed the facts. He denied any knowledge about the petition signed a while back to get the "Little Boy" built in S gauge -- we all know that several hundred + signatures were obtained -- and called the story "bs," only he said out the phrase the long way. Buy the K-stuff if you are so inclined, but rest assured, not one thin dime will go into new tooling. They will not do anything beyond some regauging of off-scale pieces to build Frankentrains. It was the SOLE discouraging moment during an otherwise magnificent York. Bob Bubeck<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35548	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: MoPac CARS FOR SALE

eBay item 5973431660 (Ends May-06-05 12:45:35 PDT) - MoPac LTI #48914 & 48915 PASS CAR & OBS CAR If anyone wants these I'll sell them for list member for $100 shipping included, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35549	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: LED INFO

http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm Good site for LED info, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35550	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: York! Day One

Now that I got the sites and sounds part of York out of the way, my wife and I left Germantown, MD at about 6:45 am, stopping Gettysburg for breakfast at Perkins on Rt. 30. We got to the fairgrounds at 9:30 and had no problem with traffic, as I upset the traffic attendant, as I didn't go in the flow of cars, since I hate to park next to cars in a parking lot and I headed for the infield of the grandstand, which is open for parking and no one was around us. I have a 19 yr old Voyager with metal wood trim, that does not do well with door dents, plus walking is something we do any way. The car has 270,000 on it and has never broken down, as it is in Like New condition, a train grade, LOL without the rare box! Jerry, Erney and Tri did see this car at dinner and they couldn't believe how new it looked. You should see the 1988 Cutlass! Hey, no car payments more for York. Just kidding! Anyway, we head for the Red hall as my favorite seller from CT, Gary and Laura Clark are there with there great new in box and mint items! I think half of my collection is from them, as they must of purchased a new sports car by now, due to all the things I have bought from them since 1993! O:)! Nice people. We said hello and got caught up on things. I always go back to Gary at the end of the day. I them realize that I forgot my need list in the car, as I had it folded with the word "Quarters" on it, for the rest room attendants tips. I forgot it had my list on the other side. Linda said lets go back to the car, the one in the infield by itself, that is me, always, like how you can tell Neil Young is here with his bus! LOL I said no, since I knew what I needed to complete the three sets with the 21130 Hudson, as they are mostly the Pike Master cars that don't cost too much. Finally I am in need of the inexpensive items, instead of a $700 Rath or BAR Reefer car! Whew! We continued thought the Red Hall and I found a E+ Pike Master (PM) NYC 24065 box car for 85 with the box, as PM cars did not come in many boxes. And yes, Linda, my wife, does know, the box can be worth as much as a car on some things! So we took that. Door nibs, cat walk, brakewheel, and sticker perfect! We went into the White hall and I saw a E+ 24076 UP Stock car, pm, that was great but the inside door guides on both sides were broken out! Too bad. So we did not take it. Cat walks and brake wheel great. Did not see much more, but we was a man from Canada, now living in MN, who was a dead ringer for a folk singer we follow in Canada, www.garnetrogers.com. The beard, the hair pulled back and facial features, perfect, but Garnet has a longer ponytail and blonder hair. I told him about the website, as he never heard of Garnet, as most people don't, and he will look him up. Nice man, as he spoke perfect French, as I took five years in HS and only remember the line in French, we are suppose to say when we don't understand, which was most of the time!! The we proceeded to the Blue/Silver Hall, as at 11:30 we were to met some S gaugers and Jerry Matsick, who I have been emailing since October of 2003 and calling on the phone, as he does too. For Christmas I sent him a Penn State Christmas Ornament, since they are enemies to any MD grad!!! O:)! We have fun with this. We were in the Silver hall for a bit and then went to the gather of people we were to see, as the crowd this year in our group was not as big. Barb Rudnicki and Bob Connor from FL, as Barb had some updated pictures on her layout, that is to be in CTT next year. She made a new log flume and told us that in the Orange hall a company had her Oil Derrick, that they are making for her layout, in row HH, I believe. We could not find it later. And I got to meet finally Jerry, as Erney who came with Jerry from FL was still out and about. It was great to see Jerry and talk, as we were having dinner with him and Erney that evening. Linda and I got some lunch, at the famous Crab Cake stand, as I still will buy Graeme in Scottland that crabcake as promised, when he comes to York, PA! O:)! Then we went back to the Blue hall and I saw Bob Tufts for the first time in maybe 9 years! He signed my application in 1992, as well as Ralph Loveless, and he looked great! We talked for a bit and moved on. Bob is one of the premier experts in AF, as my shelves are designed after his. We them came upon a table with allot of AF, Ronald Durst, from IIIinois, as he had a knuckle coupler 24633 Caboose I needed in E plus condition. We started talking and it got into college basketball and Illinois. I them realize, I better pick up this caboose and put it somewhere, before someone takes it! As soon as I set it down behind something, I saw this hand go for it and I said, "That is mine!" LOL The other guy, did n't have a problem with that, as he knew my talking to Ron, slowed down the purchase, as that happens. But then, Ron, said, "I think I have another one in the same condition under the table, as it came from the same collection!" And he did, as I took that one, as they were both at 99 and I got it for 90. So we finished the hall and did the Silver hall. We went into the Orange hall for a bit, to see Joe Haenn of NC, as he was quite busy selling parts, so we left to see Don Thompson of S Helper and had a nice talk with him, as he offered me the use of a chair or his truck to rest, if I had the eye surgery, which is this week. My wife had a cough all week and he gave her a bottle of water, which I didn't realize I could buy at the concession stand! That was real nice of him, and if I stop buying all this old AF on the market and build that layout, I will use S Helper items to run. We them went back to Gary Clark and I purchase a NIB 24634 Caboose and the 24566 NH Auto Transport flatcar. And we were done, as we were hoping to go to Gettysburg on Saturday, on the way home. We checked into the hotel and got showers to have dinner at 6 at the Roosevelt Tavern in York which was great! We met Jerry and finally Erney and a new member Tri, who lives in Arkansas. We had a great time, as dinner went till about 8:15. Linda and I had, each, crab soup, crab cakes with two vegetables and ice tea. Oh, Ralph Loveless told me to go to the back room of the tavern and that is where a big TCA group was, with Clem, Eastern Division president, along with Bob Tufts. I have sent emails to Clem before, about my cars, as I know he is into antique cars, as this is the first time for any of us to met Clem. And we didn't mean to interrupt their dinners but Ralph said it would be fine. On the way out, I saw Jerry, Erney and Tri pictures of my collection and they could not believe how new the van looked! LOL Change the oil, belts, hoses, all fluids and avoid parking lots, park away, as wear and tear in parking is bad and cars last for ever! LOL Anyway, Linda and I headed back for the hotel, as day 2 is coming up, a bit later. Oh, the hearse we saw, I am told, he is a TCA member in his 70's and guess what kind of business he has. Wont be dying off like trains someday. Always a need for his services! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35551	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: York Day One addition

I forgot to mention that we did speak to Joe Haenn after we left the S Helper booth and that Ron Durst had a wonderful 21140 engine for $1,895! Make him a offer! And that Bob Bubeck was passing by the S Helper booth and I had him sign my two AF price guides, but I rather have a Neil Young autograph. Just kidding Bob! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35552	From: lou342ac	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer

Joe, Interesting information. Do you know why such a dramatic increase in cost? I can't imagine it's because of a huge increase in their labor cost. The chinese government doesn't impose very strict enviromental controls or other costly restrictions. Does this increase includes other products? Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > K-Line has cancelled the upcoming Pacific locomotive. > The China factory basically doubled the cost of this > loco, effectively killing its manufacture at this > time. However, K-Line will still be producing the > Plymouth switcher and the Porter. > > BTW, K-Line (and the other manufacturers as well) have > been told by the Chinese to expect a 50 percent > increase in manufacturing prices next year. K-Line > (and I suppose others as well) will be looking > elsewhere to see if they can get lower manufacturing > costs. They left Korea for China, so who is next in > line? The Pacific is not entirely dead (if they can > locate another manufacturer) as K-Line was very > pleased with the advance orders for this item. > > Joe > > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35553	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2005
Subject: DAVE DEWEY!! DUNSMUIR RAILROAD DAYS

This is for Dave or anyone else that might know when RailRoad Days are in Dunsmuir, Ca? Thank You, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35554	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: The Railroads of Australia

Here are a bunch of railroad pictures from our trip around Australia. http://www.geocities.com/beenonboard/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35555	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer

Dear Lou, The company that is the builder for K-Line (as well as "L", SHS, AM and SSA) was sold this past summer. It was sold for the first time 4 or 5 years ago when the founder, Sol Kramer of Life Like fame sold both companies. Sol is in his late 80's. If I remember correctly the new owner is the Hong Kong branch of J.P. Morgan, an investment company. They paid over 100 million and I am sure they are trying to get a return on their investment. All of us have seen price increases in tooling and unit costs since the sale. Don lou342ac wrote: >Joe, > ....Do you know why such a dramatic increase in cost? > Lou Baldi > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35556	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line steamer

Hmmmm, costs will go up 50% next year..... Oil prices are way up..... This drives the price of everything else up...... But 50%? It will be interesting to see if the other manufacturers get this big of an increase. Has anyone from Lionel, MTH, etc said anything about a cost increase of this magnitude, or just K-Line? Does this 50% jump involve their whole line, or just S scale? They will make the Plymouth and Porter which are new tooling, but the Marx Pacific is too costly? Could it be that they saw the response to Lionel doing an all new Mikado, and felt the old loco was just too lame looking to continue into S gauge? Gee...I'd like to know "the rest of the story." Stumpy Stone...I smell a rat...all the way from Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35557	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer

Costs HAD to increase. The Chinese are buying scrap metal in the USA and shipping it home to use as base material for manufacturing and shipping it back as finished goods. They also re-opened the ore fields in Minnesota, reactivated a railroad slated for abandonment and are shipping low grade iron ore to the west coast and then to China for the same purpose. Their oil dependency will continue to increase, they are shutting down steam railroads and switching to diesel before the Olympics to present a "cleaner" image to the world. Wait until they get unions and the rules that have caused so much inefficiency here. Gonna happen, has to happen. Imagine what the Chinese contribution to the world economy would/could have been if Mao hadn't killed and repressed so many millions of people. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35558	From: Dennis Back	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: DAVE DEWEY!! DUNSMUIR RAILROAD DAYS

--- anormal1 wrote: > This is for Dave or anyone else that might know when > RailRoad Days are in > Dunsmuir, Ca? Thank You, Mike Mike, If you Google the words: Railroad Days Dunsmuir, CA, you will come up with this link: http://www.trains.com/community/events/event-info.asp?eventid=7375 Kind regards, Dennis Miami __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35559	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Re;K-Line steamer

The O gauge versions and the quantities thereof are probably justifying the tooling costs for the two Ps. They are also small and relatively simple Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/4/2005 7:13:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: They will make the Plymouth and Porter which are new tooling, but the Marx Pacific is too costly? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35560	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: NASG membership applications

Michael Paschall, the former NASG membership secretary, is still receiving NASG membership applications that specify that the applications should be mailed to him. He stepped down as membership secretary about a year ago. If you have any NASG membership applications that you hand out to prospective members, please make sure the "Send To" address is either Mike Shea NASG Treasurer 488 Stonewood Ave. Rochester, NY 14616-3623 716-865-4978 or Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary POB 32 Annville, PA 17003 Thanks! Stan Furmanak Annville, PA 17003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35561	From: JMatt	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: York - S-Train group

Just a short comment to say it was super great being at York and meeting some of you. The email address I have for Barbara Rudnicki is coming back as not valid? Barbara please get in touch with me thank you very much Jerry Matsick NASG / TCA PCCW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35562	From: Mike Vana	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Chinese Price Increases

If the prices for trains made at the factory in China go up 50%, and continue going up, it might be possible to make stuff cheaper in the USA. Of course there are probably countries like Indonsia or Malaysia (or even Vietnam or Russia) that are in line to produce things when China gets too expensive. I was looking forward to getting a K-Line 4-6-2, but I suppose I can get by without one. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. (already an owner of 63 S gauge 4-6-2's)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35563	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Chinese Price Increases

Have we really heard or understood what 50% means? It does not double the retail price. If the Chinese price was $50 and it doubled then our retail at $200 goes to $250? What do we pay in China before tariffs, shipping, packaging, etc.? Perhaps K-Line just wanted an out for an expensive non-prototypical toy. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Chinese Price Increases > If the prices for trains made at the factory in China > go up 50%, and continue going up, it might > be possible to make stuff cheaper in the USA. > > Of course there are probably countries like Indonsia > or Malaysia (or even Vietnam or Russia) that are in > line to produce things when China gets too expensive. > > I was looking forward to getting a K-Line 4-6-2, but > I suppose I can get by without one. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > (already an owner of 63 S gauge 4-6-2's) > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35564	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: K-Line Steamers: Yes or No?

According to several posts the K-Line steamers are not being produced; however, they are still available for sale on the K-Line website. So what's the real story????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35565	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer

I think your statement is true, S gaugers are cheap. Everyone wonders why this company or that doesn't produce for "S", now you see what even a company that tried to do something thinks. I've spoken to many dealers at trains show and some manufacturers and they say they want to run and hide when they see an "S" person coming. I've heard stories about how many arguments they've had over price. Seems that $2 is too much for this or that. Or they say "they" never buy anything, they all can make it and save 10 cents. Why should K-Line or Lionel think they can make any money? Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > Sorry, but the thing was "dead" all along. It shows how truly low S gauge is > in K-Line's priorities. > > I had a really discouraging chat with Bob Grubba during York. I said to him > that it was great that K-Line was expanding into S, but I asked politely how > about starting to do some new tooling for items that would be "killers" and > "got-a-haves?" He replied in a most defensive and rather unfriendly tone that S > gauge is small niche where almost no one preorders (a really contradictory > thought since they do get preorders) -- translate this as "S gaugers are cheap" -- > and that K-Line would only consider new tooling if they saw a "big spike" in > business. I mentioned to him (and he agreed) that the freight cars (such as > they are) do sell well, so doesn't this indicate a market? Despite this, he > refused to acknowledge that S was worth some serious attention. I pointed out to > him that Lionel AF B&O Mikado sets going for ~$1300 on eBay indicate that the > great products will sell if you hit the mark, but dismissed the facts. He denied > any knowledge about the petition signed a while back to get the "Little Boy" > built in S gauge -- we all know that several hundred + signatures were > obtained -- and called the story "bs," only he said out the phrase the long way. > > Buy the K-stuff if you are so inclined, but rest assured, not one thin dime > will go into new tooling. They will not do anything beyond some regauging of > off-scale pieces to build Frankentrains. > > It was the SOLE discouraging moment during an otherwise magnificent York. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2005 10:36:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > joestrainrepair@y... writes: > The Pacific is not entirely dead (if they can locate another manufacturer) > ..... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35566	From: Phil K	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: UP derailment in Illinois shuts down Overland Route (pics)

From Trains.com newswire: Illinois derailment closes UP Overland Route main line GALT, Ill. - Union Pacific's busy Overland Route main line across northern Illinois was blocked Tuesday night when the 140-foot-long, double-track through-truss bridge spanning Elkhorn Creek at Galt, Ill., collapsed during a freight-train derailment. Train QNPSKP-02, bound from North Platte, Nebr., through Chicago onto CSX for Selkirk Yard, N.Y., derailed 31 cars Tuesday at 5:30 p.m., according to UP spokesman Mark Davis. The derailed cars were back in the train's consist, so the locomotives were not involved, and there were no injuries reported, and no hazmat concerns. Galt is 4 miles west of Sterling, Ill., and about 115 miles west of Chicago. UP is constructing a "shoo-fly" bypass track and bridge over the creek using five pipes with an average diameter of 100 inches, plus 36,000 tons of ballast and 1,800 feet of track. The temporary crossing is expected to be completed late Thursday, allowing the route to re-open. Meantime, UP was detouring some freights. BNSF Railway handled at least four UP trains late Tuesday and early Wednesday, and UP was talking with other parallel railroads. An average of 60 trains a day operate over this corridor between Chicago and Iowa, the key eastern link in UP's northerly transcontinental route between the Midwest and northern California and the Pacific Northwest. Of the 31 derailed cars, 8 were loaded with lumber or plywood, 7 were loaded with canned tomatoes, 5 with potatoes, 3 with soda ash, 2 with salt, 1 with fertilizer, and 1 with manganese; 4 were empty. The cause of the derailment is under investigation. _______________________________________________________________ I called Trains magazine about this early today -- they didn't know yet -- and then went out this morning with my camera. I found out about it last night right after it happened from one of my friends who is a UP engineer. Because of the intense work at the scene, I could not get very close. I used a 750mm lens, and the dust and heat rays rising from the ground made getting very sharp pictures virtually impossible. Pictures are posted at: www.s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Second row from top, far left album "UP derailment" Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35567	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Steamer Cheap S Guys

Just a thought here can "S" buyers always want something cheaper due to the cost for "S" items always being higher than items of the same quality being higher than other scales/gauges. I know that the amount being produced is always a factor in price, but this may explain the "Cheap S Guy". But if you look at the Mikado they were sold out veru quickly , as I belive the Docksider will & the 2nd run of the Mikado. As for the "S Guy"(Sorry Barbra) saying he could make it instead, I believe is from the fact they had to for "Many" years. My 2 cents Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35568	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:

PS: Seeing that LTI is going to make another Mikado & the Docksider shows they know there is profit in "S" This is something I belive AM & SHS already know. Just look at thereir product lines from 5 years ago to today. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35569	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:

Gals and guys, Some time prior to 1998, my good friend Earl and I decided to help fill the product "void" felt by the S-gaugers. We purchased "classic" S ga flatcar bodies, had them professionally lettered to prototypical appearance, installed the trucks, brakewheels etc. THEN we added loads as the cars would have carried in revenue service. Priced them to SELL. Took them to TCA meets, unaffiliated meets, etc for yrs. Apparently because they did NOT have American Flyer or Flyonel on them, all we got were compliments and many, MANY "I only buy Flyer" comments. So the market cried for a product it wouldn't sustain. Earl passed away with many of his cars left unsold. I arranged to buy them from his widow, but the kids found them before I got back to get them, and they went to the estate sale. This happened in part, beacause of a series by Susan O'Brien in S-Gaugian "Where has ALL the Flyer gone????" It soon became obvious the dealers had it in trailers they dragged to York twice a yr. I recall one guy had 6 tables (8 footers, no less) in the "Blue" Hall, ALL covered with Flyer. Everytime he sold a piece he replaced it with a like piece from under the table. I wanted something in particular NOT on the table, he told me to come back at noon, as the trailer was still more than half loaded. I came to the conclusion that ALL the Flyer was in the hands of the dealers and they were going to keep raising the prices to keep most of it. Appears that the pricing policy is still the flea market policy. IF it was priced too high to sell last yr, raise the price 10% because they had to carry it over the winter. Certainly one more reason S-Helper, American Models, DesPlaines etc look more appealing, a better product at less money. Jim Lyle. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35570	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: York - S-Train group

I tried to sent Barb an email too and it came back. I hope she is okay. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMatt" <mtoytrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group > Just a short comment to say it was super great being at York and > meeting some of you. The email address I have for Barbara Rudnicki > is coming back as not valid? Barbara please get in touch with me > thank you very much > > Jerry Matsick > NASG / TCA > PCCW > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35571	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Source for Inside-Threaded Metal Tubes Accepting 2-56 Screws?

Hello, I'm looking for a source for inside-threaded brass or other metal tubes, threaded to accept 2-56 screws (the kind AM trucks use). I'm in the midst of cutting unthreaded tube by hand which is driving me to seek a pre-threaded source. Unfortunately, MicroMark doesn't sell them. Thanks. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35572	From: beebear	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:

Jim I have to agree with you on this one! I have been to train shows where dealers were selling stuff that looked like it has been through the war and badly damaged then try to sell it for top dollar. Also I have seen pictures on web sites of peoples layout rooms where they have walls full of Flyer rolling stock lining the walls. I think I had this discussion when I first joined this group and had many replies defending the right to collect and display. I have 2 shelves full of my small flyer collection only because I don't have my layout built yet. I took advantage of the 2 for 1 sale ay SHS and I must say the new stuff beats the old flyer stuff hands down.I have come to the conclusion that it is better to spend my dollars on new rolling stock that looks 100% BETTER then buy old flyer stuff and have to spend MORE money to repair. It may even come to the point where I will sell ALL my old flyer stuff just to buy more new stuff, WHOEVER makes it!! John Frankforther From: WJJIM@... To: Anormal1@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cheap "S" GUYS PS: Gals and guys, Some time prior to 1998, my good friend Earl and I decided to help fill the product "void" felt by the S-gaugers. We purchased "classic" S ga flatcar bodies, had them professionally lettered to prototypical appearance, installed the trucks, brakewheels etc. THEN we added loads as the cars would have carried in revenue service. Priced them to SELL. Took them to TCA meets, unaffiliated meets, etc for yrs. Apparently because they did NOT have American Flyer or Flyonel on them, all we got were compliments and many, MANY "I only buy Flyer" comments. So the market cried for a product it wouldn't sustain. Earl passed away with many of his cars left unsold. I arranged to buy them from his widow, but the kids found them before I got back to get them, and they went to the estate sale. This happened in part, beacause of a series by Susan O'Brien in S-Gaugian "Where has ALL the Flyer gone????" It soon became obvious the dealers had it in trailers they dragged to York twice a yr. I recall one guy had 6 tables (8 footers, no less) in the "Blue" Hall, ALL covered with Flyer. Everytime he sold a piece he replaced it with a like piece from under the table. I wanted something in particular NOT on the table, he told me to come back at noon, as the trailer was still more than half loaded. I came to the conclusion that ALL the Flyer was in the hands of the dealers and they were going to keep raising the prices to keep most of it. Appears that the pricing policy is still the flea market policy. IF it was priced too high to sell last yr, raise the price 10% because they had to carry it over the winter. Certainly one more reason S-Helper, American Models, DesPlaines etc look more appealing, a better product at less money. Jim Lyle. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 8:11:06 PM ET - 5/4/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35573	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: AF train list for May

Hi, Flyer fans. My AF train list containing over 320 items was emailed a couple of days ago to everyone in my address book. If you are not receiving my Flyer list and desire to, please send me your email address. You will receive it as a Word document.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35574	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: York - S-Train group

ALL.... SHE LEFT DEL ON MONDAY.... HER BOX MIGHT BE FULL..... MINE WAS.... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "JMatt" <mtoytrain@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group >I tried to sent Barb an email too and it came back. > > I hope she is okay. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JMatt" <mtoytrain@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:44 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group > > >> Just a short comment to say it was super great being at York and >> meeting some of you. The email address I have for Barbara Rudnicki >> is coming back as not valid? Barbara please get in touch with me >> thank you very much >> >> Jerry Matsick >> NASG / TCA >> PCCW >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35575	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: Re: Chinese Price Increases - nearly on the subject

Howdy Friends, In Business school, they teach about RIO - return on investment and about the cost of money. All of that provides the very real basis for upward spirals in end-user prices when initial costs get bumped. The reasoning is that the investor (or the train maker) needs to make a certain percentage on the investment. So, if the costs go up, the prices go up in a sort of geometric proportion. If the cost goes up 50%, you can be sure the end-user price will go up at least that much. I remember a Dennis the Menace cartoon a bunch of years ago. He had a lemonade stand (in the 1950s) and was trying to sell a glass for $10.00. He replied to a question "Sure, but, I only have to sell one glass!" The point is that a manufacturer needs to make a certain profit on an investment of a certain amount. If the costs go up, they can produce fewer pieces for the same investment and must therefore sell them for a higher price in order to make the same amount as they did before. Most businesses borrow the money they need to buy materials and pay for labor. So, they must make enough to service the interest. Even if they have all of their own money in the bank, they still must make as much on their investment in train materials as they could by leaving it in the bank, selling lemonade or buying mutual funds. This coming weekend, I'll have the portable Royal Palm and Loxahatchee Central at a TTOS meet in Port St. Lucie. Ya'll come! Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Ritter Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:40 PM To: Mike Vana; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chinese Price Increases Have we really heard or understood what 50% means? It does not double the retail price. If the Chinese price was $50 and it doubled then our retail at $200 goes to $250? What do we pay in China before tariffs, shipping, packaging, etc.? Perhaps K-Line just wanted an out for an expensive non-prototypical toy. Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35576	From: Chris	Date: 5/4/2005
Subject: K-Line

Hi Guys: I had a great time at York in spite of the stomach virus that attacked me on Friday night. It was all but gone by the time I reached home Saturday night. Let me recommend a product called Emetrol, available at Wal-Mart! I too had a discussion over at K-Line, only I did not come away from it as discouraged as you guys. Pre-sales have been all but non-existent on the sets, but Maury and company take the blame for dropping the ball, P.R. wise. They have not pushed and response was poor. They were having a Friday meeting in which the S-Gauge line was a principal subject. Is your info from after that meeting? I offered Maury and one of his reps my take on their trains, and I share it here with you. That K-Line has ventured into S is fabulous, yadda, yadda, yadda, and I have bought some of them, BUT . . . K-Line S-Gauge trains are Marx 027 re-issues on Flyer trucks. I'm already getting tired of Flyer's rehashes, why would I want Marx's? Funny thing is though, I do! But I don't want them for me. I want them for my two nephews. They can run them on my layout. They can run them at home, under the tree. These starter sets make great, well, starter sets, for starters. So why are they in old railroad liveries like my more "serious" trains? Why would K-Line go head to head with SHS and AM for a piece of the existing old fart network of S-gaugers money? Are we going to put these oversized trains into our rolling stock budget? I don't want to. I want to put them into my present (as in birthday and Christmas prezzies!) buying budget. Those little kids don't know road names. They aren't all dreamy eyed about far off places to where trains may travel, as we were. They like Spiderman and Pokemon. I don't know what Yu-Gi-Oh is, but it would make a great graphic on a box car. If the licensing is unavailable, how about the U.S. Army, NYPD and NYFD, all already done in 0 gauge. Some of the existing cannon and rocket tooling might fit on S flats. What about the stuff they already license? Make big noisy sets filled with bells and whistles, cartoon characters and rockets that fly. Include army men, cowboys and Indians. Make playsets. Now there's a Marx heritage! The K-Line sets, as catalogued, are as dull as dishwater. They represent an unthinking attempt to cash in on a piece of the existing S-gauge market by making something that looks like old Flyer sets, but on the cheap. When Flyer got down to 3 cheap freight cars, a caboose and an engine, they were done. That's no way to start up here, though I do give them props for the little switch engines. The difference between these sets being a raging success or not ever getting made at all is in the marketing. The move here is to find the niche. Don't compete directly with the regular S manufacturers. Do what they can't do. Make ONLY cheap starter sets. Make them fun for today's kids. Later, if the bug bites, they'll either move up to SHS and AM and S-scale and all. If, instead, they stay with K-Line, they'll move up in size to 0-gauge. If the bug doesn't bite, well, there's another S-gauge set showing up in the garage sale market in 20 years. However it works out, it's sales now for K-Line and again maybe later, support for S- gauge, support for all the manufacturers and for the hobby as a whole. Or, they could just let it die because it's too hard. K-Line has some of the most innovative thinking in the hobby today. Their catalog is in the best traditions of the classic Flyer and Lionel catalogs. I don't see them abandoning it. Re: the "Little Boy", according to one of their guys at the last York, the tooling costs for the chassis were out of the question. They seriously considered it for about five minutes and then it was over. A note about pre-sales: The train hobby, despite having more product to sell in the current renaissance than ever in the Golden Era, is operated in an entirely different fashion than it was. Department stores used to sell thousands of units, their buyers calculating sales well in advance and placing commensurate orders without any certain knowledge that the individual customers would want and buy the trains. Today, hobby and train shops, some fairly large, but with nowhere near the buying power of a Macy's or Nieman-Marcus are placing orders for a few of this and a few of that, based on customer pre-orders and a best guess estimate of walk-in sales. Back in the day, the department stores carried a thousand copies of only a few items, ones they felt certain would sell. Hobby stores provided access to the rest of the catalog once the hook was firmly set in the customer's mouth. Hobby stores also provided access to the rest of the hobby, including parts, service and other manufacturers and gauges. Today, hobby shops carry the full load and all the wide and massive inventory, with no mass public marketing, only the same customer base returning. A small businessman has to know that big ticket items will sell or better yet, are already sold, or else he risks running out of capital. The reasons that trains were so popular in the first half of the Twentieth Century had to do with the romance of the rails, the presence of railroading in everyday life and a boy's fascination with things mechanical. Department stores took a fad and mass marketed it to a hungry public whose taste for shopping was in it's infancy. That's what made Lionel and Gilbert so big so fast and took Marx along for the ride. The reason that trains are so popular now has to do with nostalgia for the toy trains of the first half of the Twentieth Century. Lying under the Christmas tree with your little 302 Atlantic chugging around a tiny oval, you took another hit on the cedar smoke and turned the page of the catalog. With a purple crayon, you wrote next to each train set "Want it" and then, turned the page and did it again. Then you grew up, got a job and now, nearing retirement and having nought else to do with your overstuffed bank account, you are going to buy all the trains you promised yourself when you were ten. It's a wonderful story, but here's what's wrong with it. Macy's isn't selling trains to the general public any more. (Well, last Christmas they did, in a limited way). Without mass appeal, it's only us, and we're dying off. If I were a Macy's buyer, I'd be betting on a backlash to all the electronic crap. I'd buy four thousand sets at the right price from a variety of manufacturers. I'd make a huge operating layout in a window on 34th. Street and unveil it Thanksgiving day. I'd advertise on the radio and TV and make sure all the news stations came down to do the story by giving sets away to the news directors (it's a puff piece, what the hell). By the time Christmas Eve's last minute shoppers showed, all my clerks would be well practiced in saying: "Sorry, that one is sold out!" The following year, all the big stores would do it. The year after, any type of store that had merchandise of any kind for sale would have at least one train set for sale. The phenom would last about five or six years, until the next big thing came along. After that, all this presale nonsense would be just that. Flush with operating capital, K-Line would make you anything your little heart desires. So would Lionel, their bankruptcy days long behind them. All it takes is one astute buyer. Trains have been growing and expanding. They are the bomb that's ready to detonate. Now is the time. Will it happen? How can we make it happen? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35577	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: DAVE DEWEY!! DUNSMUIR RAILROAD DAYS

on 5/3/05 6:53 PM, anormal1@... at anormal1@... wrote: > This is for Dave or anyone else that might know when RailRoad Days are in > Dunsmuir, Ca? Thank You, Mike The dates are July 8-10 (Friday-Sunday), and don't forget to stop by a visit at the Bay Area S Scalers' module layout. We do not yet know where in Dunsmuir we will be set up. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35578	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line

Chris and y'all....Do you think K-Line is in a big hurry to start a line which competes with their O gauge line? Train sets in S would be competition to their O gauge line just as Gilbert was a competitor to Lionel years ago. Lionel already had the old Flyer dies and molds, so doing S gauge in a little dab here and there made sense. S-Helper and American Models came into the market with better quality product and raised the bar. K-Line is not nearly as big as Lionel or MTH, nor as committed to S gauge as SH or AM. So there is little reason to put a big effort into S gauge which competes for manufacturing resources or store shelf space with their O gauge line. Making small O scale locos and calling them S maximizes their bang for a buck, and at least creates modern product. In an age when even Lionel has started making new tooling for their Flyer line, that old, crude Marx tooling might be worn out and too lame to spend money on. But if you want to see a REAL waste of resources, check out that goofy K-Line highway system. Intead of burying three rail track in a plastic road and motorizing Yat-Ming diecast vehicles with flanged wheels, they should have made an O scale slot car system. (Slot cars are coming back in a big way.) Or better yet, spend that money on real S gauge stuff! Stumpy Stone...I still want my K-Line Porter...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35579	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Barb R. was Re: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group

Barbara is fine, just taking her time getting home and visiting friends along the way. -Clay --- mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > I tried to sent Barb an email too and it came back. > > I hope she is okay. > > Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35580	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line

Or, could it be that the sets were just not acceptable to many S gaugers? Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/5/2005 12:14:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, busyboy@... writes: Pre-sales have been all but non-existent on the sets, but Maury and company take the blame for dropping the ball, P.R. wise. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35581	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Barb R. was Re: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group

GREAT..... was going to call her this morning..... Worried bout her..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Buckage" <lamontcranston1946@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "JMatt" <mtoytrain@...> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:37 AM Subject: Barb R. was Re: [S-Trains] re: York - S-Train group > Barbara is fine, just taking her time getting home > and visiting friends along the way. > > -Clay > > --- mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: >> I tried to sent Barb an email too and it came back. >> >> I hope she is okay. >> >> Mike > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35582	From: roy inman	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line

Perhaps both. After all, the S sets were included in a catalog of O GAUGE and O SCALE trains. Did K-Line advertise in the S Gaugian or Dispatch? Did they promote in any other ways, like at the toy or craft stores, where I see their O stuff? And as someone questioned on this list a few days ago, how DOES one reach people interested in S? Remember also that in effect, K-Line was introducing for the mass market something that had not been seen since the Gilbert era-S sets. I know, I know, SHS and AM produce excellent sets, but they apparently do not have the resources to promote them to a mass market. In such a case, that is offering a "new" product, mega bucks are required to be heard above the din. That may be what the K-Line folks were talking about when they said they "dropped the ball, PR-wise." Cheers :) Roy Inman on 5/5/05 8:16 AM, rbubeck327@... at rbubeck327@... wrote: > Or, could it be that the sets were just not acceptable to many S gaugers? > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 5/5/2005 12:14:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > busyboy@... writes: > Pre-sales have been all but non-existent on the sets, but Maury and company > take the blame for dropping the ball, P.R. wise. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35583	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cheap "S" GUYS PS:

Absolutely, any/everyone has the right (at least so far) to obtain and display anyhting they so desire. My point was that so much seems to be in the hands of dealers, and that isn't wrong or bad either, that the high prices keep "newbies" out of S gauge. Not trying to get people to lower their prices either, they can charge whatsoever the market will bear/they wish to charge. Simple observation. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35584	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question

Dear Mark: I like the light bulbs in my switches to last forever. My solution is to use different voltages. (I use two transformers.) The first transformer is used to power the switches. I use the base post (black) and the fixed voltage to feed the red and green posts. The switch is thrown with the full 18 volts. I use a second transformer to power the bulbs. I connect the base post (black) to the base post on the first transformer. After phasing them, I adjust the variable post to 10 volts. I then connect the variable post to the yellow post on the switch. Thus: Black to Red: 18 volts. Nice, crisp switch action. Black to Green: 18 volts. Nice, crisp switch action. Black to Yellow: 10 volts. Even 12 volt bulbs will last almost forever. My lamps never burn out. Thorin P.S. Why two transformers and not have one do double duty? I have over 50 active switches and over 200 bulbs! I need the duals to not overload things. For a small layout, one extra would suffice. ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:13:22 -0000 From: "lember2004" <mrlembersky@...> Subject: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question I am trying to find information or a diagram that explains/shows the internal wiring of the AF 720A remote controlled switches; in particular, I want to understand: 1. what aspect of operation each of the 4 terminals [black, red, green, yellow] controls/effects; and, 2. what the electrical connections between the track segments are in both "regular" and "two train" mode. Any help will be much appreciated! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35585	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Kaslo Rib Side (was Milwaukee Rd Caboose)

Dear John, If you are willing to do a Milwaukee Road Horizontal ribbed bay window caboose, I hereby order two. If basic plans, etc. are needed, I can provide these thanks to the Milwaukee Road Historical Association's book "Rib-Side Cabooses" which includes plans. I don't think a rib-sided caboose has been done in S. Even in brass! Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:03:34 +0100 From: "Kelvin A. White" <kelvin@...> Subject: Milwaukee Rd Caboose >What the Milwaukee modeler is truly missing is the horizontal ribbed bay window cabooses at ran the rails for 40 years. Unfortunately the SHS caboose was normally used only on one route in the later years and the AM's old style caboose painted for the road misses the boat also. >Bob Werre Bob The extended vision Milw Rd Caboose as produced by SHS was used on which Milw Rd line? I should add that my Milw Rd interests extend only to Wisconsin and the Michigan UP, plenty of choice however, there were over 1572 miles of Milw Rd track in Wisconsin. My main interests are the lines in the Northwood's; the line north of Green Bay, now operated by the Escanaba & Lake Superior, and the former line running north from Tomah to Tomahawk and Minocqua. I wonder if there is any interest in Kaslo doing a Milw Rd horizontal ribbed bay window caboose? Best regards Kelvin White Oxford, England

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35586	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line

That means S (scale or gauge) Public Relations. I would prefer that K-Line had a page in CTT because there are AF people out there that would buy CTT and not want anything to do with NASG or S Gauge clubs. S-Gaugian would be a limited market as would the Dispatch. The K-Line catalog is in most Toy Train Stores. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "roy inman" <rinphoto@...> To: <rbubeck327@...>; "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line > Perhaps both. > After all, the S sets were included in a catalog of O GAUGE and O SCALE > trains. > Did K-Line advertise in the S Gaugian or Dispatch? > Did they promote in any other ways, like at the toy or craft stores, where I > see their O stuff? > And as someone questioned on this list a few days ago, how DOES one reach > people interested in S? > Remember also that in effect, K-Line was introducing for the mass market > something that had not been seen since the Gilbert era-S sets. I know, I > know, SHS and AM produce excellent sets, but they apparently do not have the > resources to promote them to a mass market. > In such a case, that is offering a "new" product, mega bucks are required to > be heard above the din. That may be what the K-Line folks were talking about > when they said they "dropped the ball, PR-wise." > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > on 5/5/05 8:16 AM, rbubeck327@... at rbubeck327@... wrote: > > > Or, could it be that the sets were just not acceptable to many S gaugers? > > > > Bob Bubeck > > > > > > In a message dated 5/5/2005 12:14:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > busyboy@... writes: > > Pre-sales have been all but non-existent on the sets, but Maury and company > > take the blame for dropping the ball, P.R. wise. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35587	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: York Budget

I didn't write about my 2nd day at York, as it was just going through the halls again, looking for a pike master Bethlehem Steel car I needed for the last set with the 21130 AF Hudson. I have a knuckle BS car, )(SORRY!) with the REAL steel rails that go with it, but the PM car goes with the set, so I just needed a common empty version at this time, as someday, I will get a PM version with the rails. And of course, I was going to take the rails from the knuckle and put them with the PM version for now. And of course, I almost ran over and didn't see Jerry Matsick and Erney standing in a aisle, as searching for trains at York is serious business. LOL Plus, Jerry what you have to understand, you two where on the right side of the aisle and I was looking at a table on the left side and I can't see out of my left eye, so my head was completely turned to the left! LOL Anyway, when I got home, I something very disturbing! I told my wife we had to go back to York, because I still had a 100 dollars left over in the train budget, as I thought I spent everything in York! LOL No, I guess that money will go into the 2005 IRA! It will grow in value better! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35588	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line

In a message dated 05/05/2005 6:09:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Chris and y'all....Do you think K-Line is in a big hurry to start a line which competes with their O gauge line? Train sets in S would be competition to their O gauge line just as Gilbert was a competitor to Lionel years ago. I have heard this same statement made countless times, and it just doesn't seem logical to me. Ford Motor Co. Makes several models of Ford, several Mercury, and Several Lincoln. The Same with GMC, et. al. The profit on each vehicle sold by any one company ends up back in the same Corporate headquarters, so does GMC really care if People bought a Buick rather than a Chevrolet. I think I would be looking at the profit per unit rather than the unit as a competition for one of my other units. This of course is just MHO. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35589	From: roy inman	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line

on 5/5/05 12:36 PM, boss31@... at boss31@... wrote: > I think I would be looking at the profit > per unit rather than the unit as a competition for one of my other units. > This of course is just MHO. Yes, Steve, it is only your opinion, but it apparently is an opinion shared by many corporate types. The idea, as I comprehend it, is to hit different segments of the market. That is why there was a Marx, Lionel, Flyer, etc., back in the 1950's, and the reason there is a K-Mart and Sacks today. Some people will spend $1,000.00 on a model train engine, others will spend only $50.00 on the entire set. If I am a manufacturer, I might want BOTH markets doing business with me. When I set up and sell train prints at shows, I have lots of prints priced at $20.00. I also have limited edition, matted and framed prints priced at $200.00. I sell far more of the low-end prints, but I do sell some of the $200.00 ones. I am trying to reach a variety of markets. And it is not entirely about price. Just as some people want the realism of two rails instead of three, some people want a matted, signed original print instead of a mass-produced original, and will save their pennies to be able to afford one. Different strokes for different folks. My guess is that K-Line tries to do the same thing. Just IMHO... Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35590	From: Phil K	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Cleaning up train photos

I didn't realize so many of us avidly take train pictures -- either on layouts or out in the "real world". Since I posted a link to the photos of the UP wreck on the Overland Route at Galt, Ill., that I shot yesterday morning, I have received numerous emails asking about the "cleaning up" process. We use the industrial-strength Photoshop 7.1 to prepare photographs for publication. But if you bought a digital camera, perhaps the manufacturer included some sort of editing software. Several emails asked to see the original photos for comparision, so instead of doing it in individual return emails, I decided to post them with the others. You can click on "slideshow" and see first each original, then the edited ("cleaned-up") photo. You'll see some were worse than others, depending on the distance and lighting. To answer other questions, I used a Nikon DIX camera, with a 6 megapixel CCD with a 500mm telephoto lens, which with that camera has an effective length of 750mm. I had the camera/lens mounted on a monopod for stability. Aperature and exposure times vary, as I had the camera set to automatic "Program" mode. Here's the link again: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 and click on the "UP derailment..." album. Thanks for the interest. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35591	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: K-Line Pacific in 2006

I just received an email from Nick Ladd at K-line stating that although the Pacific sets were cancelled after York, they will make the Pacific available as a separate item next year. No cost was quoted at this time. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35592	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: I'm Home

Hi Y'all, I haven't gotten through my postings yet but I understand there was a little concern about my travels. I have arrived safely and my new refinery is installed on my layout. Will post photos soon. Barb PS York was fabulous!!!!!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35593	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/5/2005
Subject: Just arrived at S-Helper Service

A container arrived today with two new reefers, PFE/WFE and SFRD California Super Chief. They are at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexReefers.html Also two new double-sheathed USRA Boxcars: DSS&A and NWP. They are at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexDSBoxcars.html Also, we now have our #00001, #00002, #00003 and #00004 70 ton trucks back in stock as well as the 00542 unlettered boxcar-red double-sheathed USRA boxcar and 24 section bulk flex track. Also available now is the new S-Trax Primer and Track Planning Guide. Check for details at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexTPG.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35594	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Blantant commercialism

A container arrived yesterday with two new reefers, PFE/WFE and SFRD California Super Chief. They are at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexReefers.html Also two new double-sheathed USRA Boxcars: DSS&A and NWP. They are at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexDSBoxcars.html Also, we now have our #00001, #00002, #00003 and #00004 70 ton trucks back in stock as well as the 00542 unlettered boxcar-red double-sheathed USRA boxcar and 24 section bulk flex track. Also available now is the new S-Trax Primer and Track Planning Guide. Check for details at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexTPG.html Regards, Don PS The Erie and new numbers for the NWX reefer as well as the B&M and DL&W double sheathed boxcars for Hoquatt Hobbies were on the container. Other items, 2005 NASG Curve Beer convention car and the Ivory Soap Spree car are here and will be delivered when I go to the Spree in 2 weeks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35595	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: Barb's Back home & Dunsmuir's RR Days

Ah, now I understand, Barb was just "refining" her York experience! :) OK Barb, you're home now, we want pics!!! S' David D. PS Railroad days in July????? Now I know I've been away from Dunmuir far too long, as it had always been the third weekend in June since 1941 (well they have moved it a weekend or two before). Guess I'll have to put it on my calendar! (My Brother never tells me what's happening there!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35597	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: T&M PRICE GUIDE

Would there be any interest in the 2004 T&M price guide for $8.50 shipping included, Seems they are only printing it every 2 years. Please contact me off list if you would like one, I need at least 12 takers, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35598	From: race944t	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: Milwaukee happenings next week??

I find myself having to go to Milwaukee May 10 th 15. Anybody out there know of anything a Gilbert AF operator/collector would want to do while there? Any neat excursion trains? Thanks, Bill Clark ( yeah, the other one or as Joe Haenn calls me, "Banker Bill")

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35599	From: race944t	Date: 5/6/2005
Subject: York sales

Just wanted to say THANK-YOU to all the people who visited my table and especially to those who bought. What an exceptional York it was for me. I brought back more empty boxes than full ones. Sold over half the items I took up there. "S" gauge is alive and quite well thank you. Here Here !! Bill Clark in Va.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35600	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Digest 2660 - National Railroad Museum

In a message dated 5/7/2005 5:52:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 00:14:51 -0400 From: "race944t" <race944t@...> Subject: Milwaukee happenings next week?? Bill, I would highly recommend a side trip to Green Bay to see the National Railroad Museum. It's definitely worth the trip. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35601	From: Mike Vana	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Milw Rd Wide Vision Cabooses

Kelvin White asked: The extended vision Milw Rd Caboose as produced by SHS was used on which Milw Rd line? There were two of the wide vision cabooses, 992300 and 992301 if I remember correctly, bought around 1974, and used on a joint BN-Milwaukee coal train between the Wyoming coal mines and a power plant around Portage, Wisconsin. The routing on Milw Rd was from Council Bluffs, Iowa on the main line to Chicago, to just east of Savanna, Illinois, then on the diagonal line through Springfield and Burlington, Wisconsin, to Sturtevant, then north through Milwaukee and northwest to Portage. If you want to know more, here is the rest of the story: Milw Rd bought their 8 U30C's, 5651-5658, for this coal train, and later used some of their U33C's, 5700-5703, in the service as well. BN contributed SD40-2's and U30C's and their own wide vision cabooses. From about 1978 to early 1980, the CNW route was used from Tama Iowa to Clinton, then on the Milwaukee from there to Green Island, Iowa (around Savanna) and back to the usual route. Since they ran over CNW, which had an Automatic Train Stop system, they had to have a CNW loco lead, and used CNW SD45's, so the train would have locos from three railroads sometimes. The Milw Rd abandoned the Council Bluffs-Green Island line, and most of the Savanna-Sturtevant line in 1980, although the western Iowa part is still running, owned now by the BNSF. After that, the route was probably via the BN to the Twin Cities, and the Milw from there. I'm not sure how long that lasted or what route the coal takes to Portage now. In the late 1980's, as the cabooses were being phased out, I remember one of the Milw wide vision ones being used on a BN transfer run in Council Bluffs. I'm sure that the Soo Line inherited them, but am not sure what happened to them since then. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35602	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: T&M PRICE GUIDES BLATANT AFD

If you are thinking about getting a T&M guide they are going pretty fast I listed 12 on E-Bay But you can get them from me direct for $1.50 less. $8.50 includes shipping. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35603	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Trains...but NOT toy related

http://www.slorrm.com/events.html Click on Pacific Coast Railroad Roundup.........to see where I'm taking my dear old Mom on Mother's Day. Should be fun! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35604	From: beebear	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Trains...but NOT toy related

Rick Is that REALLY for your mom or is it REALLY for you??? (hahaha) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trains...but NOT toy related http://www.slorrm.com/events.html Click on Pacific Coast Railroad Roundup.........to see where I'm taking my dear old Mom on Mother's Day. Should be fun! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 7:40:31 PM ET - 5/7/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35605	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/7/2005
Subject: Re: Trains...but NOT toy related

***(((Is that REALLY for your mom or is it REALLY for you??? (hahaha))))**** You caught me John! I'm just draggin' her along ! ;^) I'll buy her BBQ though! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35606	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Re: An "O" gauge passenger set

I have a very old set of American Flyer Trains. It consists of; A 3020 engine, made to look like it would use overhead electric lines, it has an automatic reverse system [arms stick out a little,hit an object, and thus reverse direction] A 3000 mail car A 3001 coach, paint problems on roof A 3001 observation car What is a set like this worth? What should it be insured for? Thank you for your consideration. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35607	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: AF 355 Switcher

I have an AF 355 C & NW switcher in nice shape for sale for $140. Runs, reverses well, light works. Small chip out of cap roof. Email me for pics offline if interested. Bill Lyon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35608	From: trainman634	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Sheet metal boxcar frames

What year did American Flyer start using sheet metal frames on their boxcars?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35609	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Mother's Day with trains

http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albup96 Photos of my day at the Santa Margarita Ranch and the Pacific Coast Railroad. GREAT weather, cloudy, but no rain...maybe a tad-bit too breezy. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35610	From: ecphora123	Date: 5/8/2005
Subject: Warped AF Flatcar

I came across a C&NW No. 42597 AF flatcar. The car is warped or depressed in the center and bowed downward toward the midline. I can more or less pull the car body to shape with my hands, but it will not stay. I was wondering if I were to clamp a sheet of metal on the car and apply gentle heat would the car straighten? The question is how much heat can one apply before the detail becomes distorted? I remember an article where someone actually made a depressed center flatcar by placing a car body in a low temp oven. I figure if one can bend a carbody that way, then you ought to be able to straighten one as well. I just don't know what temp to use. Thanks, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35611	From: Bill Lyon	Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: I need parts

Fellow S Gaugers, I would like to buy about 70 S gauge track pins and a handle for an American Flyer No 1 transformer. Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35612	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question

Dear Mark: Yes, the yellow wire from the rainbow is left unattached. (You want the full 18 volts to run the switch. THAT yellow wire is also 18 volts.) I use the 10 volts for all bulbs that are always burning. I also use it for almost all intermittent bulbs. (Exception: the air craft beacon. More volts = more heat. More heat = more rotation.) Another great use is for the barrel loader, sawmill, and the crossing gates. I feel these all run too fast at full voltage. The lower voltage slows them down to a nice pace. After you see them on 10V you will start seeing the full voltage ones as 'hyper'. The stockyard, stockcar, and all action cars are happier at full voltage. (Its more fun to fling the mail bags rather than to politely dump them!) My children are forever filling the side dump cars with horses and frogs. It is then dumped with great giggling. They think it is great fun. The horses dump better at full voltage. My Mo-and-Joe cars work best at full voltage. But they look better at reduced voltage. You have to experiment. So I guess I use FOUR transformers: two for trains, one for fast accessories (18 Volts), and one for light and slow accessories (10V). Thorin -----Original Message----- From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lember2004 Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:44 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question Marty, Thanks for your reply and clever suggestion. I infer that you leave unattached the yellow wire that is part of the rainbow wire that emerges from a switch controller; correct? Related to your suggestion, I find my 774 tower is too bright to leave on all the time [its "blinding" to look in its direction.] But I think you just solved that problem: light it with 10 volts vs 18 and, presumably, it will be noticably less bright. Do you use also 10 volts for all other always-on bulbs [eg, in buildings, on bridge tops, etc]? Thanks! Mark edw--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > Dear Mark: > I like the light bulbs in my switches to last forever. My solution > is to use different voltages. (I use two transformers.) The > first transformer is used to power the switches. I use the base post > (black) and the fixed voltage to feed the red and green posts. The > switch is thrown with the full 18 volts. > I use a second transformer to power the bulbs. I connect the base > post (black) to the base post on the first transformer. After phasing > them, I adjust the variable post to 10 volts. I then connect > the variable post to the yellow post on the switch. > Thus: > > Black to Red: 18 volts. Nice, crisp switch action. > Black to Green: 18 volts. Nice, crisp switch action. > Black to Yellow: 10 volts. Even 12 volt bulbs will last almost > forever. > > My lamps never burn out. > Thorin > > P.S. Why two transformers and not have one do double duty? I have over > 50 active switches and over 200 bulbs! I need the duals to not overload > things. For a small layout, one extra would suffice. > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 19:13:22 -0000 > From: "lember2004" <mrlembersky@q...> > Subject: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question > > I am trying to find information or a diagram that explains/shows the > internal wiring of the AF 720A remote controlled switches; in > particular, I want to understand: > 1. what aspect of operation each of the 4 terminals [black, red, green, > yellow] controls/effects; and, 2. what the electrical connections > between the track segments are in both "regular" and "two train" mode. > Any help will be much appreciated! > Mark > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35613	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF 720A switch operation/wiring question

I use the full 18V on all accessories but use rheostats for individual accesories that operate better at lower voltage. Rheostats are available at Radio Shack for a couple of dollars a piece. For example I use my log loader for loading small logs, larger logs and sections of pipe - I only have to adjust the rheostat on the log loader to account for the difference in weight between the different "loads". You can really fine tune your accesories, operating cars, layout lighting, most anything (both AC and DC) this way for relatively low cost per loop. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35614	From: Jim Marski	Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: items for sale

Hi all, Have listed about 150 Flyer items on ebay. If you are interested in looking at them search by seller 'jeeps'. They range from LTI cars to 332, 335 and 336 Northerns. Thanks, Jim Marski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35615	From: Phil K	Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: UP Galt wreck revisited

Took another trip out this morning to check progress on the damaged Union Pacific Overland Route double mainline in Galt, Ill., the site of last Tuesday's 31-car derailment. It is apparent the UP spared no expense -- the temporary bridge and bypass over the creek was opened to limited traffic only 49 hours after the derailment. UP is still using other railroads' trackage to get trains in and out of Chicago to the west coast, as I write this, as the temporary bypass (single track) has a speed limit of only 25 mph. And crews are busy finishing the new bridge and removing wrecked cars that are not on the ROW. I posted ten new photos and detailed captions at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup95 Perhaps this scenario might interest a few looking to model "the unusual." Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35616	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 5/10/2005
Subject: 2 engines for sale

I Have the following 2 engines for saleif there is any interest prior to my putting them on ebay. 1: American Models Trainmaster Southern Pacific High Rail DC power model $175 Shipping included to USA/48.... 2: Lionel American Flyer Great Northern EP5 Electric (04 catalog) $215 Shipping included to USA/48....... Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. TCA, NASG, ebay: er099 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35617	From: lember2004	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: replies to my switch wiring question

I received several helpful replies to my question on the wiring of AF 720A switches. After tracing wires inside and using the info in the replies, I feel I have a good understanding. Also, a couple of folks included clever ideas about low voltage connections for the switch bulb [and other bulbs and accessories]. Thanks to all! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35618	From: JMatt	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Mikado vs Gilbert AF Atlantic

If both of these engines are true 3/16" scale, placing them side by side something just doesn't look right. Am I correct in assuming that the Mikado was a much biggre engine than the Atlantic, I know the drivers are bigger on the Atlantic but the overall length and heighth of the Mikado should be bigger, but looking at the two models appears something is not right. Help me out guys. The AF Atlantic dwarfs the Lionel Mikado? Jerry Matsick Jax, Fl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35619	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2663

Still looking for Miller switcher parts. I have some people that have parts, most would like to trade around to complete a unit, If you have some parts get your name to me, and may be we can come up with a unit or two. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35620	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: [Fwd: [toytrains] Open House]

Hello Railroaders: Below is an open memo from a railroader Chief Gene Anstine of the Glen Rock, Pa. Fire Dept. it was my privilege to visit this fantastic train display which features, individual layouts for S Gauge, O Gauge, G Gauge, and HO Gauge. Each layout is fantastic, Gene is planning on an open House during the York October Eastern Division meet. Glen Rock is south of York on I-83 about 20 miles and it is worth the time to travel and see. If you are interested in attending please contact Gene at the email address listed in his memo. Jerry Matsick > Subject: [toytrains] Open House > > Folks, > > During the last York I hosted Erney, Jerry and Tri at the Glen Rock Hose & > Ladder train display. I am again thinking of having an open house during the > October meet. I am trying to gather interest and when people would be coming to > York. I am looking at Thursday evening unless it conflicts with to much > else. Please reply to me at glnrckchf@... don't make Joseph holler at me for > having it on the list.:) If you have something that you just bought and just > can't wait to run it we could probably accomadate you. We have O,S, G, and HO > layouts. > > Also the display will be open on Sat June 4th from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. This is > in conjunction with the Glen Rock Street Fair. If you want directions or > pictures please see the web site. > > Gene Anstine > www.grfd.org > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35621	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re;Lionel Mikado vs AF Atlantic

A Mikado should be longer, but not necessarily taller than an Atlantic. If the Mikado is a "light" version the sizes will be closer. The problem with the Atlantic is that I don't know what the prototype was. Even though it says Reading, who knows? Did Flyer even care? This was a toy that had to be big enough to house a smoke or choo choo unit and a motor. The Lionel Mikado is pretty accurate to scale and few compromises are needed to get the motor and electronics inside. Comparing these two may be a case of "comparing apples to oranges." Stumpy Stone...being depressed by the evening news...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35622	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: K-Line/Discussion of S gauge problems

So, K-Line drops us like the ugly wallflower at the dance-- wow... bummer. We must really be the 'perfect' size if the likes of K-Line won't even indulge us with Marx re-hash. Sometimes I feel like I'm the one missing something... Can some one help me out here? But maybe it's all right. We really are in the best time period S gauge has ever had, perhaps we should enjoy it. We have more and more 'cottage industries' making more of the things we want, not to mention the outstanding job our big guys doing. Growth will happen if we present a good face and if it doesn't... well, do you really want to be the 'next' H0? We would lose our identity, our uniqueness-- the reason we're in S. Support what we have, says I. We have a lot to be thankful for (S gauge wise, that is). Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35623	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Lionel Mikado vs AF Atlantic

The Atlantic prototype was a Reading. Interestingly, the Reading loco. was introduced as a 4-4-4. It was later converted to a 4-4-2. A prototype photo of the 4-4-2 can be found on the web. If you can't access it with a couple clicks let me know, I have one on my computer I can email you direct. S-Trains will strip it if I try to send a photo. As I mentioned to someone, the 4-6-2 and 2-8-2 are very similar in size. I believe the PRR used the same basic boiler dimensions for the 2 (K4 and L1). Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Lionel Mikado vs AF Atlantic > A Mikado should be longer, but not necessarily taller than an > Atlantic. If the Mikado is a "light" version the sizes will be closer. > The problem with the Atlantic is that I don't know what the prototype > was. Even though it says Reading, who knows? Did Flyer even care? > This was a toy that had to be big enough to house a smoke or choo choo > unit and a motor. > The Lionel Mikado is pretty accurate to scale and few compromises > are needed to get the motor and electronics inside. > Comparing these two may be a case of "comparing apples to oranges." > Stumpy Stone...being depressed by the evening news...in Martins > Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35624	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Layout Upadte

Hi Y'all, After my awesome visit to York, I have finally posted 10 new photos in my album. The first of these can be viewed at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albun20/100_0776 As many of you know, I was having a custom built refinery made for the layout. I have included 4 pictures of it. This refinery was the reason I drove my new station wagon from Florida to PA and back. When you see it, you'll understand why the builder of it would not ship it. As with my last 2 visits to York, this was a wonderful train show. There was lots of Flyer to be had and I got to meet a few more of you from this list. It was a little chilly for my Florida blood, but lots of layers took care of that. For those of you who have not attended your first York, please put it on your calendar for October. It is a life- changing experience for any model railroader. Hope to see more of you at York in October. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35625	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2005
Subject: Portlines track cleaner

Has anyone purchased one of these? Basically a round spinning disc mounted on the bottom of a gondola or ? Mine doesn't seem to work to well. First it had a wire broke off upon arrival and second is it meant to propel itself? Like to hear from other purchasers. Ed in Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35626	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery

If you haven't taken a look at Barb Rundicki's refinery yet, it's well worth your time. Barb is a big York promoter, but as you look at her layout, you might conclude, as I did, that she could put on a model train show of her own. Terrific job, Barb, and I can tell you aren't done yet. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35627	From: lember2004	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: transformer recommendation for Gilbert AF

I need to decide whether to use my old 16B as the primary train power or buy something new like the MRC Pure Power for my under construction Gilbert AF layout. I looked at the archives and found posts from several years ago: some said nothing beats the old transformers; others said that using 50 year old transformers is asking for trouble. What is current thinking about the MRC Pure Power transformers and about the old workhorses? Thanks. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35628	From: hobo47203	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery

Barb, I read the posts and enjoy the information on this site but I rarely ever post to the list. However, after looking at the photos of Barb's new refinery and her wonderful layout I just had to. Barb all I can say is OH MY GOD HOW COOL!!! I can see why your builder wouldn't trust this to the gods of shipping. You have a great layout and the refinery is a fantastic addition. Have fun playing trains! Bob Morrison Hoosier S Gaugers Columbu"S", Indiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35629	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery

Wow!! With a refinery like that.....we shouldn't have a shortage!! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35630	From: roy inman	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's Refinery

Where can one view the images? In the files section of Yahoo, I assume, but under what file. Thanks :) Roy Inman on 5/12/05 7:16 AM, Stephen Litts at s.litts@... wrote: > If you haven't taken a look at Barb Rundicki's refinery yet, it's > well worth your time. Barb is a big York promoter, but as you look > at her layout, you might conclude, as I did, that she could put on a > model train show of her own. Terrific job, Barb, and I can tell you > aren't done yet. > > Steve > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35631	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Mikado vs Gilbert AF Atlantic

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JMatt" <mtoytrain@b...> wrote: > If both of these engines are true 3/16" scale, placing them side by > side something just doesn't look right. Am I correct in assuming that > the Mikado was a much biggre engine than the Atlantic, I know the > drivers are bigger on the Atlantic but the overall length and heighth > of the Mikado should be bigger, but looking at the two models appears > something is not right. Help me out guys. The AF Atlantic dwarfs the > Lionel Mikado? > > Jerry Matsick > Jax, Fl The early postwar Gilbert Atlantics with four piece boiler castings were much truer to the prototype than the later one piece plastic boiler models. The later plastic AF Atlantics (and to a lesser extent the one piece die cast versions) do not appear to be scale in the boiler diameter and steam chest width. And other details like the smokestack diameter and pilot configuration were a bit stylized on these later engines compared to the prototype. What aspect of the Atlantic dwarfs the Mikado? (i.e. length, width, height?) Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35632	From: roy inman	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Barb's Refinery

Barb, You may have said on the list sometime, but if so I don't recall the details about the roundhouse: Kit or scratch? Roy Inman ---------- > From: Stephen Litts <s.litts@...> > Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:05:57 -0500 > To: roy inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Barb's Refinery > > Roy: > > I figured her message went out to everyone on the list - it appeared > that way, but here's a copy of her message, with the link. You'll > like it. > > steve > > > After my awesome visit to York, I have finally posted 10 new > photos in my album. The first of these can be viewed at: > http://s-scale.org/albums/albun20/100_0776 > > As many of you know, I was having a custom built refinery > made for the layout. I have included 4 pictures of it. > This refinery was the reason I drove my new station > wagon from Florida to PA and back. When you see > it, you'll understand why the builder of it would not > ship it. > > As with my last 2 visits to York, this was a wonderful > train show. There was lots of Flyer to be had and I got > to meet a few more of you from this list. It was a little chilly > for my Florida blood, but lots of layers took care of that. > > For those of you who have not attended your first York, > please put it on your calendar for October. It is a life- > changing experience for any model railroader. Hope to > see more of you at York in October. > > Barb > > > On May 12, 2005, at 12:40 PM, roy inman wrote: > >> Where can one view the images? >> In the files section of Yahoo, I assume, but under what file. >> Thanks :) >> Roy Inman >> >> on 5/12/05 7:16 AM, Stephen Litts at s.litts@... wrote: >> >> >>> If you haven't taken a look at Barb Rundicki's refinery yet, it's >>> well worth your time. Barb is a big York promoter, but as you look >>> at her layout, you might conclude, as I did, that she could put on a >>> model train show of her own. Terrific job, Barb, and I can tell you >>> aren't done yet. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> Enjoy thousands of great photos >>> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35633	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's Refinery

Hi Barb, Your refinery looks terrific!! Get it in service ASAP and send me some lube oils and gasoline to my oil depot http://s-scale.org/albums/album53 so I can supply my customers!! It shouldn't take long for your freight to reach me here in Atlanta - hahahaha!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35634	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's Refinery

Now I know why gas is so expensive and scarce... Barb has it all stored at her new refinery! ;)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35635	From: JMatt	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Fantastic - Fantastic "Barbs" Oil Refinery

Words can't be expressed how fantastic Barb's oil refinery is, Barb thank you for sharing with us, your website is a "Favorite" on my pc. Also to all the other S-Trainers, if going to York in October please take the opportunity to visit Gene Anstine and the Glen Rock Fire Dept Fanstastic train layouts. The 20 minute ride from York down to Glen Rock is worth your time and appreciate great model railroading. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35636	From: Phil K	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Barb's refinery

Barb, awesome! No wonder you didn't trust UPS or USPS to deliver it. I wouldn't, either. I believe I'm also correct in saying the only mountains in Florida I've seen are on your layout. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35637	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's refinery

Hi Phil, You're right. The highest point in Florida is in the panhandle and is 325' or there abouts. Scale wise, my mountain is a lot higher. Thanks... Barb Phil K wrote: > Barb, awesome! > > No wonder you didn't trust UPS or USPS to deliver it. I wouldn't, > either. > > I believe I'm also correct in saying the only mountains in Florida > I've seen are on your layout. > > Phil K > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35638	From: John G	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: transformer recommendation for Gilbert AF

=> some said nothing beats the old transformers; others > said that using 50 year old transformers is asking for trouble. Both statements are true. I use several old transformers with no problems after the following maintenance: Replace cord if needed. Open transformer case and a) inspect the windings to make sure they are not burnt, b) replace roller if needed, c) clean the winding where the roller operates. Check to make sure the primary winding is not shorted to the secondary winding (which could electrocute you). Check by connecting a ohm-meter from the base post to either blade on the 120 volt plug. ohm-meter should read infinity resistance. Note do this test when the tranformer is NOT plugged in. Test the circuit breaker to see if it trips by momentarily touching a heavy wire from the base post to the 16 v post. Operate the transformer from an outlet protected by a ground-fault interupter. About a year ago, Tom Jarcho had a series of transformer repair articles in the S-Guagian which covers this in more detail. Hope this helps. John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35639	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: TM PRICE GUIDES

To all that sent payment(That I have recieved) IU'm mailing them out no later than tomorrow. Thank you guys, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35640	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/12/2005
Subject: Re: Barb's refinery

Barb, Even Linda, my wife, is impressed with your refinery. Sorry that we could not find it at York! Layout looks wonderful. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35641	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Recycled Gargraves Track - In Florida

I am looking for someone in Florida that would be interested in some used Gargraves Track, the indoor veriety. I am downsizing my layout, but don't want to ship it, or throw it away. Please contact me offlist. I am an hour north of West palm beach. Paul Yorke - http://PaulYorke.com Website Development 772.285.4817(cell) - 772.597.3788 (office) Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35642	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Barb's Mountain

Barb, How tall is your mountain? 325 scale feet = just over 5 actual feet. Assuming your layout is about 3 feet off the floor that would make your mountain over 8 feet off the floor!!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35643	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Re Barb's Refinery

When I win the lottery and buy that old armory and build my 165 ft X 82.5 fantasy layout I WILL BE KING (foaming at the mouth) but until then A lady shall lead them...Great work Barb- Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35644	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: K-LINE

Anyone have a website or phone # for K-Line. I need to deal with them or a major dist. Thanks, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35645	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Woodland Scenics "Dogs & Cats"

Y'all...Check out this product! Some of these are small enough to use in S scale, and they are NICE! Stumpy Stone...going to the dogs in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35646	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: Re; Dogs & Cats

Sorry, y'all...my computer is in trouble I guess. It won't let me do anything with pictures. I guess you'll have to look for the Woodland Scenics Dogs & Cats at your local hobby shop or on their website. This has been a bad week for me machinery wise...it took me 5 1/2 hours to change three belts on my lawn tractor, I guess the computer is taking it's turn to fight me! Will try to post pix later. Stumpy Stone...used a big hammer on the tractor, might try the same thing with the computer...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35647	From: conehammer	Date: 5/13/2005
Subject: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..

I was just about to post this when I read the other recent thread on AF transaformers. I have 3 of the larger transformers 1 18b and two 30b versions and all of them hum like crazy. I understand why transformers hum( at least I believe I do ) but is this a common characteristic of AF xformers? Other than the hum they work well although I don't think they were ever close to the 15 volt output rating; more like 18+ volts... Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35648	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..

**((all of them hum like crazy))** That's cuz they don't know the words!! ;^) It seems a while back, on the list or at chat, I mentioned one of my trannies that seemed tooooo noisy........I THINK,...I was told that sometimes the "plates" inside get loose. I could be waaaaaay off here. I'm sure you will get some better (and right) answers!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35649	From: beebear	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: K-LINE

K-LINE Electric Trains P.O. Box 2831 Chapel Hill, NC 27515 KCC / Consumer Sales 919-929-8420 (M-F, 8:30 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. ET) Parts and Service 919-942-1116 (M-F, 8:30 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. ET) TOLL FREE FAX 877-269-4113 ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K-LINE Anyone have a website or phone # for K-Line. I need to deal with them or a major dist. Thanks, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 7:02:15 PM ET - 5/13/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35650	From: John G	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..

=> transformers hum like crazy. Flyer used one or two wooden shims to hold the transformer coil assembly tight against the iron core. These get loose over the years and can cause louder than normal humming. Lightly tap these shims back in, and you can usually quiet the transformer down to a softer hum. Also see this link for Tom Jarcho's transformer tips: http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic6.htm John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35651	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Track Cleaner

Recently the question was raised on ther S n' S Strack cleaner: "Has anyone purchased one of these? Basically a round spinning disc mounted on the bottom of a gondola or ? Mine doesn't seem to work to well. First it had a wire broke off upon arrival and second is it meant to propel itself? Like to hear from other purchasers." When I first put mine on the track and turned on the power it took off, a self powered track cleaner, but the traction isn't enough to go up a grade. The ratating cleaner disc pushes against both rails in opposite directions. If everything was equal, it would just sit there and eventually grind the track down in a circular hole. The reason it prefers to travel rather that sit, is probably due to a slight tilt, or one rail is slightly higher than the other, or there is more grease on one rail than the other. It is meant to be pulled. A job for a certain upcoming Porter locomotive. It does an excellent job of cleaning the track. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ___________________________________________________________________ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35652	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Slightly off-topic, an online AMTRAK support poll

Hi all, The Wall Street Journal is taking an online poll re: support for amtrak funding. So far it is 51% for increasing and 31% for no funding. with some small numbers in-between. I would encourage you to make your thoughts known (assuming you want to support AMTRAK! :) ) Here's the URL: http://tinyurl.com/aupjk Vote early and often!! :) S' David D. PS Seven days to Flyer Fest West!!!! Be there, or be square!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35653	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: 30B TRANSFORMER FOR SALE

I have a 30B trans. with meters for sale. Works great anyone that wants it for $175.00 That includes shipping (Insurance included) & a 4oz bottle of smoke fluid. Contact me off list Thank You , Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35654	From: Fred Alles	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Tender for a 314 AW

I saw a nice 314AW engine and tender but is missing the complete insides of the Tender (E-unit and whistle, etc.) . Anyone know of a tender with a working E-unit and whistle that I can use to replace the empty tender? Thanks - Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35657	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/14/2005
Subject: Re: Track Cleaner

I wrote a note this this list several months ago in praise of the SnS track cleaner. They mounted it in my box car and my engines ran faster as the track became cleaner. It is still running fine but I will be changing the cleaning pad soon. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: <nsupbnsf@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Track Cleaner > > Recently the question was raised on ther S n' S Strack cleaner: > > "Has anyone purchased one of these? Basically a round spinning disc mounted on the bottom of a gondola or ? Mine doesn't seem to work to well. First it had a wire broke off upon arrival and second is it meant to propel itself? Like to hear from other purchasers." > > When I first put mine on the track and turned on the power it took off, a self powered track cleaner, but the traction isn't enough to go up a grade. The ratating cleaner disc pushes against both rails in opposite directions. If everything was equal, it would just sit there and eventually grind the track down in a circular hole. The reason it prefers to travel rather that sit, is probably due to a slight tilt, or one rail is slightly higher than the other, or there is more grease on one rail than the other. It is meant to be pulled. A job for a certain upcoming Porter locomotive. > > It does an excellent job of cleaning the track. > > Alan Udy, RMHRS > Idaho Falls, Idaho > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today! > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35658	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Answers to Oil Depot and Fencing Questions

Hello all, I've had several questions concerning how I built my oil depot and the chain link fence that encloses it. You can see the oil depot and fencing at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album53 I constructed the oil depot using the Lehigh Valley Models s-gauge LVM28 Bulk Oil Depot kit. The entire depot sits on a piece of panel so I can move it around the layout as a single piece. I took about 1 month total to construct the depot working nights and weekends. I added the four o-gauge Lionel vertical tanks to the kit. The oil depot has a rail car unloading station capable of unloading 5 different fluids. The fluids are transferred via color coded piping to either vertical storage tanks, horizontal storage tanks or to the truck loading station. The piping and valves are from a Walthers HO piping kit. The various trucks are all AHL 1/64 scale vehicles. The fencing is mosquito screen fabric from Walmart. If you look closely at the photos, you can see the fabric is woven in a running bond, not the typical 45 degree pattern. I used this type mesh because I wanted a more industrial look. If you want a regular "chain link" fence then you could use the diamond pattern mesh. The running bond mesh I used makes the pattern difficult to cut. If you get too close to a cross in the pattern, the fabric will fray and unravel. I was unable to find a product that would prevent the fraying. The fence sections are 1.5 inches high (8 feet scale) by anywhere from 6 inches to 14 inches long. The posts are somewhat longer to fit into holes drilled in the base. The posts are located 1.5 inches apart (8 feet scale). The fabric pieces are 1.5 inches by the required running length. Even cutting them out very slowly and carefully, I averaged one good section for every four I started. The fence posts and rails are 0.035 inch styrene rod. They were assembled using Testors Liquid Cement. I assembled the rails and poles for a given section of fencing on a flat surface for better alignment, then spray painted the assembly. I laid a piece of plastic cove molding to serve as a berm and mounted the fence along the centerline of the berm by drilling holes into the molding. I then just slipped the completed post and rail sections into the holes and glued them in while maintaining a 1.5 inch height on the rails. I then attached the fence fabric one section at a time by taking some of the fabric "threads" and tying the fence fabric to the posts and rails. If you take a look at real chain link fence you can see how it is done. This is tedious work and you must be extremely careful not to catch any of the cut ends of the fence fabric or it will unravel and you are back to square one. The last step was to glue the ballast stone to the berm. The ballast stone was used to help keep the posts and the fencing in a nice, straight line. Just like real chain link fencing, the fabric does not turn corners. It is stopped at the end of each run and a new section begins around the corner. I thought about inserting rods at the end of each run just like on real chain link fencing, but you've got to stop somewhere. I have looked at the hobby shop kits that use wedding veil type fabric for the fence material. The fabric is white and must be attached to the rails/posts, then stretched, then painted. I think my system is about the same amount of work but the end result is, IMHO, far superior to the kits. Not only that - you can make tons of fence with a $6 roll of screen versus $12 for a few feet with the kits! If you have any other questions, drop me an email. Good luck with your building projects!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35659	From: lember2004	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: wither AF 755A talking station?

I have been trying unsuccessfully to track down an AF 755A talking station. Lots of 755's, but no 755A's in the many lists of stuff for sale/auction that I have checked. Several knowledgable people I've asked have responded, in effect, 'what's a 755A'? According to the 1951 AF catalogue verbage for the 755A entry: "new 1951 feature, a resistor unit, does away with need for locking remote control on train"; i.e. no lockout eliminator needed [similar to the 758A version of Semaphore Sam, also new in 1951.] The 1952 & 1953 catalogs also show the 755A. And, the 1952 version (M2984)of the "American Flyer Instruction Book" that came with sets shows a 755A on page 9 in a layout wiring method. Yet, Greenberg's Guide doesn't mention it - and, indeed, lists no talking station at all for the years 1951 to 1953! What's the story? Where the 755A's with the resistor actually produced? If so, wonder why aren't they listed in Greenburg and, apparantly, not for sale. If not, what was sold during 1951-53 when someone ordered what was listed in the catalogue? I await enlightment. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35660	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: 755A Talking Station

Mark, I have a 755A on the layout. I'm not sure but I believe there are a lot of 755As out there. It works exactly as you described - "new 1951 feature, a resistor unit, does away with need for locking remote control on train". I don't know why it isn't listed in Greenburg. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35661	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC installation

Wanted individuals who might install TMCC in AF units or other S guage manufacturer units. Thank you Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35662	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Sound Upgrades for "S" Locos

I have posted a page that shows a new product that will be available soon for Sound upgrades for AC powered Locos especially "S" gauge due to it's small size. I was privileged to be able to put my 2 cents worth in the concept and design of this board and therefore was able to try out some prototype versions. It will be able to be used in both TMCC and conventional Locos as well as Accessories. Here is a link to a sneak preview... http://www.tuveson.com/MiniSound/MiniSound.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35663	From: Phil K	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: NASG officer elections

I heard from a fellow S Gauger that today is the postmark deadline for voting for NASG officers. My NASG membership is good through mid-2006, yet I never received a ballot. The other NASG mailings do reach me, however. I would still like to vote. John or Roy -- how can we do this? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35664	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Semaphore repair question

I have a semaphore that has the little rod on the back of the flag arm broken off so it doesn't go up and down any more. Does anyone know a good way of replacing it (short of buying a whole new arm assembly - I know I can get that from Doug)? Thanks for your help! Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35665	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: blatant commericalism

I have updated my web page on Paul Yorke's site. There are all (well, almost all) new, better pictures (photos are by Steve Footer) and improved descriptions. If you haven't already, please have a look: http://s-scale.org/albums/albun00 I would really like to know what you think of my effort... feedback is welcomed. Thank you, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35666	From: JeryJones3@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2005
Subject: Visit Cape Cod and see some Trains

I would like to invite all who may be near or on Cape Cod to visit the Nauset Model Railroad Club in our new home. We operate a 40 x 14 "S" layout with a mixture of new and old operating on American Models track. HO and O also have equal space for their layouts so we cover a lot of interests. G and N are just getting started. I keep telling them S is for Superior. The club is located on Route 6A in Orleans in the rear of a shopping area called HillTop Plaza. Drive around to the rear and you'll see our sign. It is almost directly across from a bowling alley just as you drive into Orleans. The plaza is on the north side of the road. We are in the train room regularly on Friday nights from 7 to 9. Other times would be catch as catch can or by appointment. We will be doing some open houses but times are not set yet. If you are on Cape Cod and would like to stop in and can't make a Friday night give me a call at 508-896-5898 in the evening and we'll see what we can do. ALL ABOARD!!! Roy E. Jones III, President, Nauset Model Railroad Club. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35667	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: NASG officer elections

Hi Phil, Could you send me your complete name, etc. and I'll see if we can do something about it. If any other NASG members didn't get ballots, please let me know. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > I heard from a fellow S Gauger that today is the postmark deadline for > voting for NASG officers. > > My NASG membership is good through mid-2006, yet I never received a > ballot. The other NASG mailings do reach me, however. > > I would still like to vote. John or Roy -- how can we do this? > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35668	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: Sunday Night Chat

Just wondering if there is another night for S-Trains Yahoo Chat group. Sunday is almost out for me, Jerry Matsick Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35669	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: A question and an observation

Ladies and Gentleman: This is Bob Moyer again with a question for the group. Lately I've been working on some old S wooden and cardstock kits. Some were never finshed, some need touching up. These things are like potato chips, you just can't have one. Anyway, one's a Kinsman wooden side reefer. It seems the Kinsman kits reefer sides are two pieces not one. The seam is covered by the reefer door. The doors are missing. Any suggestions on doors I can use and where they can be had? An Observation, A lot of the postings and threads have been about what products are now available from who and what's not available. I think the manufacturers look at S as a niche market. Now here's the metaphor, O guage is like pop music, Brittaney Spears, whoever. Popular, makes tons of money, but content wise, open to discussion. S, is like Jazz or Classical music, has its place and its fans, but by itself, could be a hard time paying the bills. Content wise, it's the winner. I enjoy Jazz, and classical and my S trains. I also tip at windmills like Don Quixote. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35670	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: NASG officer elections

All Just to ensure everyone is on the same page, JUNE 15, 2005 (not May) is the postmark deadline for returning NASG ballots. Thanks Michael Greene NASG Secretary At 07:37 AM 5/16/2005, Roy Hoffman wrote: >Hi Phil, > >Could you send me your complete name, etc. and I'll see if we can do >something about it. If any other NASG members didn't get ballots, >please let me know. > >Roy > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > > I heard from a fellow S Gauger that today is the postmark deadline for > > voting for NASG officers. > > > > My NASG membership is good through mid-2006, yet I never received a > > ballot. The other NASG mailings do reach me, however. > > > > I would still like to vote. John or Roy -- how can we do this? > > > > Phil K > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35671	From: bruce weidner	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Re: blatant commericalism

Nice track and switches. looks good with AM track. I saw some af 4-rail track on e-bay for $17.00, anyone know what it is? Is it an attempt to let owners of old af O gauge buyers of S as well? --- Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> wrote: > I have updated my web page on Paul Yorke's site. > There are all (well, almost all) new, better > pictures (photos are by Steve Footer) and improved > descriptions. > > If you haven't already, please have a look: > > http://s-scale.org/albums/albun00 > > I would really like to know what you think of my > effort... feedback is welcomed. > > Thank you, > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35672	From: Phil K	Date: 5/16/2005
Subject: Four-rail O track

Chicago Flyer in the 1930s produced the 4-rail track, I believe. The two outside rails were for the "negative", the middle the "positive" -- just like any regular 3-rail O gauge. And the fourth rail, I believe, was added by Chicago American Flyer to operate a whistle in some models that had an appropriately positioned pickup -- perhaps the 9900 Burlington Zephyr and City of Denver streamliners -- maybe someone else will have more knowledge on this. I also believe I read where it didn't work very well. Phil K ************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bruce weidner <weidner@a...> wrote: > Nice track and switches. looks good with AM track. > > I saw some af 4-rail track on e-bay for $17.00, anyone > know what it is? Is it an attempt to let owners of old > af O gauge buyers of S as well? > > > > --- Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@g...> wrote: > > I have updated my web page on Paul Yorke's site. > > There are all (well, almost all) new, better > > pictures (photos are by Steve Footer) and improved > > descriptions. > > > > If you haven't already, please have a look: > > > > http://s-scale.org/albums/albun00 > > > > I would really like to know what you think of my > > effort... feedback is welcomed. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Tom Stoltz > > > > Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > > Maine S Gaugers > > NASG > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35673	From: race944t	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Green Bay Nat RR Museum

Thanks to those who suggested I visit this museum. I was greeted by what looked to be a replica of an AF 355 Baldwin. Or was the AF 355 a replica of this nice green & yellow CNW Baldwin? I had seen the other GM Streamline at St. Louis so now I've seen both remaining passenger trains. They had a nice Big Boy, which you could climb on. Geez this guy is huge! There were several other locomotives and the Dwight D. Eisenhower British Rail engine and cars which was still running at the time it was brought from overseas. Eisenhower's car was lit inside so you could see how it was supposed to look circa 1944. Cool train. They have a crane outside that looks very much like a 944 Brownhoist and a good selection of freight cars. Inside was a nice and quite large HO layout complete with an ore ship loading for a trip up the Great Lakes. The ship they were loading looked identical to the Edmund Fitzgerald. Not a huge museum but worth a look if you are in the area. Bill Clark (Va.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35674	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: A question and an observation

on 5/16/05 5:26 PM, romoyer@... at romoyer@... wrote: > Anyway, one's a Kinsman wooden side reefer. It seems the Kinsman kits reefer > sides are two pieces not one. The seam is covered by the reefer door. The > doors are missing. Any suggestions on doors I can use and where they can be > had? Bob, The Kinsman reefer kits did not have doors. In the envelope with small white metal castings, you should find 12 door hinge castings (6 for each door), and 2 of the long latch and lever (1 for each door) that on the prototype would latch the door closed. It is up to the modeler to some how scribe or mark the door outline in the car side, and then attach (glue) the casting onto the correct location of the door outline. The car side pieces when laid end to end should be slightly longer than what is needed for the total car side. The most of the trimming for the proper length car side will be done in the middle where the two pieces will be glued together. Trim at the joint so that all the scribe marks representing the wood side are all the same width along the length of the side. If the scribe marks at the ends of the car are too narrow, don't worry about it, as the different spacing at the ends will not be noticeable. There is also a piece of wood that is glued on for the drip gutter over the top of the door, and a kick plate glued on under the bottom of the door. I assume your kit has instructions included which you can use to help locate the door scribing. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35675	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: NASG Elections

All, In the interest of increasing voter participation, I would like to suggest that the NASG Board of Trustees consider the option of voting online (perhaps it has already been considered and rejected). Several of the professional organizations to which I belong have instituted this option in recent years, resulting in a dramatic increase in voter participation. They still have the option of a paper ballot for those without internet access. With the recent marked improvement in online access to member information, it would seem a logical move for NASG to me. Just a suggestion. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35676	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections

The NASG members site has 91 members signed on. This would only be 5% of the NASG membership available to vote on line. S-Trains has 1142 members many are not NASG members. As former secretary it would take a lot of sorting to be sure only members were voting and what region they were eligible to vote in. Since only one candidate is nominated for some offices and a write in vote is rarely the majority then there would be little benefit to change the system at this time. Voting in most organizations and governments rarely brings out a majority of registered voters. Staying on the NPSG branch of NASG track, Glenn Ritter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay E. Mellon" <jmellon@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] NASG Elections > All, > In the interest of increasing voter participation, I would like to suggest that the NASG Board of Trustees consider the option of voting online (perhaps it has already been considered and rejected). Several of the professional organizations to which I belong have instituted this option in recent years, resulting in a dramatic increase in voter participation. They still have the option of a paper ballot for those without internet access. With the recent marked improvement in online access to member information, it would seem a logical move for NASG to me. Just a suggestion. > > 'S'incerely, > Jay Mellon > New Orleans, LA > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35677	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections

Because none of the offices are actually contested, regrettably, the comment below is also an argument for not bothering to vote at all. The NASG should endeavor to put slates together with more than one candidate for each office. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/17/2005 11:38:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gartrain@... writes: Since only one candidate is nominated for some offices and a write in vote is rarely the majority then there would be little benefit to change the system at this time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35678	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections - online voting

All NASG membership data is stored in an MS Access database. When a member renews or a new member registers, membership data is exported and uploaded to the NASG website. For almost a year, NASG members have had the opportunity to register for online access to a secure NASG membership database (http://www.nasg.org/directory.php). This online directory requires a user ID and password and is available only to currently active NASG members. Part of the log in mechanism looks up the member's expiration date to determine if they are paid, up-to-date members. If they are up-to-date, they are permitted to view and use the online directory. The same user ID and password issued to members to access this directory could be used to log in to an online NASG ballot. A member's region could be determined and a customized 'regional' ballot could be accessed. To date, 186 of the 1,814 currently active NASG members have registered to access the online directory. However, 861 of all currently active NASG members -- almost 50% -- have email addresses recorded in the NASG database but some of these email addresses are incorrect. Even so, based on this number, one could make the assumption that roughly 50% of active NASG members have access to the web and *could possibly* vote online. Of course, IDs and passwords to access an online ballot would need to be issued; it would take some time to create & distribute these. Whether the effort required to build an online voting form would result in increased participation is not something I can say. But, as Glenn points out, if candidates run unopposed, getting more members to vote simply increases voter participation but does little to affect the outcome of the vote itself. Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary Annville, PA -----Original Message----- From: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Ritter Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:13 AM To: A/TRAINS NASG; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; Jay E. Mellon Subject: [nasgmembers] Re: [S-Trains] NASG Elections The NASG members site has 91 members signed on. This would only be 5% of the NASG membership available to vote on line. S-Trains has 1142 members many are not NASG members. As former secretary it would take a lot of sorting to be sure only members were voting and what region they were eligible to vote in. Since only one candidate is nominated for some offices and a write in vote is rarely the majority then there would be little benefit to change the system at this time. Voting in most organizations and governments rarely brings out a majority of registered voters. Staying on the NPSG branch of NASG track, Glenn Ritter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay E. Mellon" <jmellon@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] NASG Elections > All, > In the interest of increasing voter participation, I would like to suggest that the NASG Board of Trustees consider the option of voting online (perhaps it has already been considered and rejected). Several of the professional organizations to which I belong have instituted this option in recent years, resulting in a dramatic increase in voter participation. They still have the option of a paper ballot for those without internet access. With the recent marked improvement in online access to member information, it would seem a logical move for NASG to me. Just a suggestion. > > 'S'incerely, > Jay Mellon > New Orleans, LA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35679	From: lember2004	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Wither AF 755A talking station? - Answers Received

Responses to my question about AF 755A talking stations [post #35659] confirmed that the 755A variation was indeed produced and many are in existance. Also, that the added resistor is a pretty obvious addition to the prior 755; the resistor is roughly 1/2" wide x 2" long. No one offered an explanation of why Greenberg does not list the 755A or any talking station for 1951-53. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35680	From: Phil K	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: Green Bay Nat RR Museum

The AF 355 Baldwin look-alike at Green Bay is actually a repainted SP Alco. Here's a picture with a caption explaning its provenance: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup23/355_G The Green Bay site also has one of the two surviving Aerotrains, plus a GG-1 and a UP Big Boy "under glass" -- in a temperature and humidity-controlled building. Like you said, not the biggest museum but certainly worth the drive. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@s...> wrote: > Thanks to those who suggested I visit this museum. I was greeted by what > looked to be a replica of an AF 355 Baldwin. Or was the AF 355 a replica of > this nice green & yellow CNW Baldwin? I had seen the other GM Streamline at > St. Louis so now I've seen both remaining passenger trains. They had a nice > Big Boy, which you could climb on. Geez this guy is huge! There were > several other locomotives and the Dwight D. Eisenhower British Rail engine > and cars which was still running at the time it was brought from overseas. > Eisenhower's car was lit inside so you could see how it was supposed to look > circa 1944. Cool train. > > They have a crane outside that looks very much like a 944 Brownhoist and a > good selection of freight cars. Inside was a nice and quite large HO layout > complete with an ore ship loading for a trip up the Great Lakes. The ship > they were loading looked identical to the Edmund Fitzgerald. > > Not a huge museum but worth a look if you are in the area. > > Bill Clark (Va.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35681	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: NASG Elections, Part Deux

Glenn and Others, I believe you have made some assumptions that skew the perception of online access. So, I will address each of your comments individually: 1. Only 91 online NASG members. You are assuming that ALL members with online access are registered at the NASG site. I know this not to be the case. For example, ALL members of our club have internet access (we regularly communicate by email) and all but one is a NASG member, but few have registered for access to the members location on the NASG site. I suspect on the order of 1/3 of NASG members have some sort of internet access, even if it's from the local library. 2. Many list members are NOT NASG members. I totally agree. I am not suggesting using the list as a voting mechanism for NASG. Voting online could regulated by password access, just as it now is for access to NASG membership information. 3. Only one candidate is running. (Implication is "why bother to vote"). An election is an opportunity for the membership to give input into the organization's operations. Whether or not a member chooses to exercise that opportunity is an individual decision and does not reflect on the voting mechanism. You still have to send ballots to all members. 4. Poor voting participation. This is precisely why I made this suggestion. I agree with you. Most organizations are tickled to death to get a 10% return of ballots. In drawing from my experience as an officer with a professional organization, we went from a 5% ballot return to a 42% ballot return rate when we switched from paper ballots to online voting. I am not saying this option is going to end all the election problems, but, perhaps, improve the ease of voting. Let's say 500 members have the option of online voting. Then, there's 500 less paper ballots that the secretary has to mail and a $185 savings in mailing costs for NASG. And, because many members of this list, I suspect, are not interested in this election stuff, back to S trains. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35682	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections

Dear Don, I agree with you. Shorter terms and (possibly) term limits might help cycle some fresh candidates though elections and office holding. Putting forth a ballot with no choices, however, is not going to engender much enthusiasm. Bob Bubeck NASG: 95R0085C In a message dated 5/17/2005 3:12:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, don@... writes: Dear Bob, Having spent many years on the NASG in various positions, I can tell you that 4 years for the executive officers is bit much. I have always lobbied for only two years with single years for the regional VPs. Four years is a long time to commit for any volunteer organization. Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35683	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: [S-Trains] NASG Elections

With a few years of similar experience, I TOTALLY agree with Don. I think the BOT should consider presenting a constitutional change to this effect..... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: < http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: Donald Thompson [mailto:don@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:12 PM To: rbubeck327@... Cc: gartrain@...; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; jmellon@... Subject: [nasgmembers] Re: [S-Trains] NASG Elections Dear Bob, Having spent many years on the NASG in various positions, I can tell you that 4 years for the executive officers is bit much. I have always lobbied for only two years with single years for the regional VPs. Four years is a long time to commit for any volunteer organization. Best regards, Don rbubeck327@... wrote: >Because none of the offices are actually contested, regrettably, the comment >below is also an argument for not bothering to vote at all. The NASG should >endeavor to put slates together with more than one candidate for each office. > >Bob Bubeck > > > >In a message dated 5/17/2005 11:38:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >gartrain@... writes: >Since only one candidate is nominated for some offices and a write in vote >is rarely the majority then there would be little benefit to change the system >at this time. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: nasgmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:nasgmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35684	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections

Dear Bob, Having spent many years on the NASG in various positions, I can tell you that 4 years for the executive officers is bit much. I have always lobbied for only two years with single years for the regional VPs. Four years is a long time to commit for any volunteer organization. Best regards, Don rbubeck327@... wrote: >Because none of the offices are actually contested, regrettably, the comment >below is also an argument for not bothering to vote at all. The NASG should >endeavor to put slates together with more than one candidate for each office. > >Bob Bubeck > > > >In a message dated 5/17/2005 11:38:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >gartrain@... writes: >Since only one candidate is nominated for some offices and a write in vote >is rarely the majority then there would be little benefit to change the system >at this time. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35685	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: Elections,

The way i look at it is the only a certain clique is in power....... I have run in major elections, at 20 I ran for the HOUSE OF REP. in WV..... out of 57 canadiates I placed 23.....11 elected ( I blew my backing of the teachers, afl/cio, and other unions because I told them I would vote for what was best for the people....not what they told me to do ).... I have held offices as VP in other organizations..... The only time I tried for a TCA office I sent in my name for any position, as they asked for other names...... whent the list was published......the usual clique.... they said the list was accepted because they had a VERY POOR TURNOUT for oppositiong canidates....... I would never run for any office again.....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35686	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Elections

Since I'm nearing the end of my 4-year tenure as NASG President, I guess I'll add my 2 cents worth. Too often the NASG has come close to the embarrassment of not having candidates for its highest offices. Having only one candidate is not the best thing, but it sure beats having nobody. I ran 4 years ago because it was getting late and nobody had thrown their hats in the ring. I'm not sorry, because it has been a good experience over all. However, I'm not getting any younger and 4 years is indeed a long time and I didn't feel that I could do another term. The argument was made that you need 4 years to complete your agenda. I don't quite agree with that. A person comes into office armed with a bunch of ideas and tries to put them into effect fairly quickly. After two years, these ideas have run their course and the results of success or failure are known by then. I think that considering the problems of getting people to run and then run for reelection, the next administration should look into shortening the terms. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35687	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/17/2005
Subject: Re: ANAHEIM AREA

Hi Melody, You only sent this note to me. I am not familiar with Pomona or Anaheim. Perhaps someone on the S-Trains list can help like Dave Dewey. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > We are heading to disneyland in three weeks. Has anyone seen the garden > railroad in Pomona. What else is there > to see around that area for my train crazy husband > > Melody (Al Kieleks wife} > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > To: "A/TRAINS NASG" <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com>; > <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Jay E. Mellon" > <jmellon@...> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NASG Elections > > > > The NASG members site has 91 > > members signed on. This would only > > be 5% of the NASG membership > > available to vote on line. > > > > S-Trains has 1142 members many > > are not NASG members. As former > > secretary it would take a lot of sorting > > to be sure only members were voting and > > what region they were eligible to vote > > in. > > > > Since only one candidate is nominated > > for some offices and a write in vote > > is rarely the majority then there would > > be little benefit to change the system > > at this time. > > > > Voting in most organizations and > > governments rarely brings out a > > majority of registered voters. > > > > Staying on the NPSG branch > > of NASG track, > > Glenn Ritter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jay E. Mellon" <jmellon@...> > > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:44 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] NASG Elections > > > > > > > All, > > > In the interest of increasing voter participation, I would like to > suggest > > that the NASG Board of Trustees consider the option of voting online > > (perhaps it has already been considered and rejected). Several of the > > professional organizations to which I belong have instituted this option > in > > recent years, resulting in a dramatic increase in voter participation. > They > > still have the option of a paper ballot for those without internet access. > > With the recent marked improvement in online access to member information, > > it would seem a logical move for NASG to me. Just a suggestion. > > > > > > 'S'incerely, > > > Jay Mellon > > > New Orleans, LA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005 > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35688	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: NASG Elections

Here is another man's opinion on elections such as the NASG election. The jobs are basically thankless, unpaid and costly in terms of time and dedication. There is always someone or some group who will not be happy with decisions regardless of their value to the majority. I was disappointed when I found out the Heavyweights that NASG made available would not negotiate flyer switches. I communicated that to the organization and they politely explained their position. I understand why the decision was made and hopefully the next project will be more useful to me personally. However the availability of these items improved our hobby. I bow to those who are willing to dedicate their time to improving my hobby. If someone is really unhappy with the job that has been done, they can always step up to the plate. I would support on-line elections only if the effort necessary was less than the time the current system takes. Since it is not likely that all members have computers or e-mail you would still wind up with 2 systems. If someone who has the know how to set up secure voting is willing to help out then fine and dandy. Volunteer to the current administration or run for that office. But don't make computer and on-line knowledge a necessity for someone who didn't sign up for that kind of effort. Four years is already way too much commitment for most persons to sign up for especially if the scope of the job and the skill and time necessary to complete it changes mid-stream. And by the way, I really appreciate the time and work it took NASG to put together the S Trains Buyer's Guide. In my opinion, everyone on this S-Trains list could benefit from becoming a member of NASG as their motto is "Promoting 3/16 model railroading". Thank you NASG for all your efforts on my behalf. Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35689	From: roy inman	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] talking station -New version

Related topic: can anyone tell me how well the Flyonel version of the talking station works? Thanks :) Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35690	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Spring "S" Spree

Hello all, Up late (as usual) packing for the spree. The hall is sold out of tables, so you better get over there and scoop up some "S" goodies.... See you there, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35691	From: L. Webb	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Train Auction

Just in case anyone is interested, I ran across this auction site, and there appears to be a lot of AF, track, and lots accessories, etc. Here is the link if anyone is interested. http://www.colonial-auction.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35692	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: News from SHS

The 16th! S Helper Service Open House is coming up June 10-11, 2005 at the SHS warehouse in Cliffwood, NJ! Robin has reserved a block of rooms at the Hampton Hotel in Somerset, details on the SHS website Shows page: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexShows.html Also, Don took a bunch of pictures of Wally Collins' excellent layout, pictures at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexWallyCollins.html Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35693	From: lember2004	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: Should an AF diesel work this way?

In testing the performance of my AF Pull-Mor twin motor PA diesel, I ran it for an extended period, with no load being hauled, around a fixed loop (that included curves, long straights and grades) at an constant "mph" setting on the transformer. I found that the time to do a loop decreased steadily for the first many loops and then leveled off at a steady rate. The difference between the initial time around the loop and the stady-state was almost 30%; ie, the locomotive sped up by nearly 30% over the course of the test. Is this normal for such an engine to go faster when "warmed up" or does this indicate a problem in the motors [or the transformer]? Some other data: I next performed a similar test of my AF 290; it achieved roughly the same steady state loop time as the diesel, but with only a short duration slightly slower initial period. I had expected the 290 (with just a single motor and no Pull-Mor) to be noticably slower in the stady-state than the diesel. Your insights will be appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35694	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2005
Subject: T&M GUIDES

Did everyone that sent a check for theit T&M guide get your guide in the mail yet? If not Please let me know off list. Mike PS: It may take a day or two longer. But if not by this coming Monday contact me for sure ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35695	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: ANAHEIM AREA

Melody and Al, While I don't live in southern California, I get down there quite a bit from the San Francisco area to visit my wife's family. I have a couple of suggestions. Two train stores Train Stop in San Dimas at 211 W. Bonita Ave. They have a sizeable amount of collectable Gilbert and Flyonel, plus the new AF and MTH accessories. Interesting to look around. Reminds me of the hobby shops I frequented as a kid in the late 50's and 60's. To get there take I 5 to the 10 and then the Route 57 to Arrow Highway in San Dimas. Route 57 goes into Orange County, so check your maps to see if you can get to it more directly. I am usually on my way to Palm Springs or Riverside. Go to the right and make the first left on Bonita. Keep going until you get to the old part of town. Its on the right just over the tracks. There is also a small museum across the street. There is also the Whistle Stop in Pasadena, but I didn't find much S there, but it is a big hobby shop. Address is in MR dealer ads. Finally, If you want to take a bit of a ride out to Perris, which is just past Riverside, you can see the Orange Empire Railway Museum. It is mostly streetcars, but you can see what appears to be a dead ringer for the AF Docksider in 12" to the foot scale. Everyone points out the lack of a fuel bunker on the rear of the Docksider as unrealistic but this one doesn't have one either. Are the fuel tanks over the boiler along with the water tanks. If you go, ask a few questions and let me know. I didn't get to the last time I was there. They depend on volunteer staffing, so finding someone knowledgable may be difficult. Have a good time, as if Disneyland isn't enough. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: "A/S-TRAINS" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > Hi Melody, > > You only sent this note to me. > I am not familiar with Pomona > or Anaheim. Perhaps someone > on the S-Trains list can help like > Dave Dewey. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> > To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:15 PM > Subject: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > > >> We are heading to disneyland in three weeks. Has anyone seen the garden >> railroad in Pomona. What else is there >> to see around that area for my train crazy husband >> >> Melody (Al Kieleks wife}

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35696	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Trip to Sacramento

Ok S friends I have a request for you. Does any one in the group know of hobby shops in and around the Sacramento CA area that have S stuff. Please let me know as soon as you can. My friend Ralph and I will be going to the S fest West this Friday. I know this is short notice but any help you can give is greatly appreciated. Thanks Tom Rolfsmeyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35697	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: ANAHEIM AREA

Hmm, Glenn wrote: Hi Melody, You only sent this note to me. I am not familiar with Pomona or Anaheim. Perhaps someone on the S-Trains list can help like Dave Dewey. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > We are heading to disneyland in three weeks. Has anyone seen the garden > railroad in Pomona. What else is there > to see around that area for my train crazy husband > > Melody (Al Kieleks wife} Well, I'd love to help but Orange County is about a 13 hour drive (at 70MPH)--I have no idea what's down there anymore, haven't been in the area in at least a decade. There used to be a great eatery on Harbor Blvd, about two miles south of the Mouse Park, it was a Pink building, on a south west corner, with a big sign on top " Country Cooking" FABULOUS food, and one serving can serve three! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35698	From: John Gibson	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Trip to Sacramento

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Rolfsmeyer <silvertom@e...> wrote: > Ok S friends I have a request for you. Does any one in the group know of > hobby shops in and around the Sacramento CA area that have S stuff. > Please let me know as soon as you can. My friend Ralph and I will be > going to the S fest West this Friday. I know this is short notice but > any help you can give is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > > Tom Rolfsmeyer ======================================================================== Tom: Try RAILROAD HOBBIES 119 Vernon St. Roseville, CA 95678 (916) 782-6067 Fax (916) 782-5933 Hours(P.T.) Mon-Fri 10-6 Saturday 10-5:30 Sunday 12-4 They have a small selection of S and carry all the S rags. You may want to check out: Bruce's Train Shop 2752 Marconi Ave. Sacramento, California 95821 Big store (largest in area) but no S. Good place for building supplies, etc. OR, just wait until the show because Howard'S Trains will have a booth and he has a large inventory of S - maybe the largest west of the Mississippi. John Gibson Rocklin, CA S scale lurker on this list - back to my closet (VBG)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35699	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: ANAHEIM AREA

You could take in a LA/CA Anaheim Angel game! O:)! Go Nats! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:ANAHEIM AREA > Hmm, > Glenn wrote: > Hi Melody, > > You only sent this note to me. > I am not familiar with Pomona > or Anaheim. Perhaps someone > on the S-Trains list can help like > Dave Dewey. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> > To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:15 PM > Subject: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > > > > We are heading to disneyland in three weeks. Has anyone seen the garden > > railroad in Pomona. What else is there > > to see around that area for my train crazy husband > > > > Melody (Al Kieleks wife} > > Well, I'd love to help but Orange County is about a 13 hour drive (at > 70MPH)--I have no idea what's down there anymore, haven't been in the area > in at least a decade. There used to be a great eatery on Harbor Blvd, about > two miles south of the Mouse Park, it was a Pink building, on a south west > corner, with a big sign on top " Country Cooking" FABULOUS food, and one > serving can serve three! > S' > David D. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35700	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2671

This sounds like a lubrication (or lack thereof problem). When oils heat up they get thinner and will offer less resistance to movement. A clean and lube will help this problem. > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:08:55 -0000 > From: "lember2004" <lember2004@...> > Subject: Should an AF diesel work this way? > > In testing the performance of my AF Pull-Mor twin motor PA diesel, I > ran it for an extended period, with no load being hauled, around a > fixed loop (that included curves, long straights and grades) at an > constant "mph" setting on the transformer. I found that the time to do > a loop decreased steadily for the first many loops and then leveled off > at a steady rate. The difference between the initial time around the > loop and the stady-state was almost 30%; ie, the locomotive sped up by > nearly 30% over the course of the test. > Is this normal for such an engine to go faster when "warmed up" or does > this indicate a problem in the motors [or the transformer]? > Some other data: I next performed a similar test of my AF 290; it > achieved roughly the same steady state loop time as the diesel, but > with only a short duration slightly slower initial period. I had > expected the 290 (with just a single motor and no Pull-Mor) to be > noticably slower in the stady-state than the diesel. > Your insights will be appreciated! > Mark > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:48:55 EDT > From: anormal1@... > Subject: T&M GUIDES > > Did everyone that sent a check for theit T&M guide get your guide in the > mail yet? If not Please let me know off list. Mike > PS: It may take a day or two longer. But if not by this coming Monday > contact me for sure > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:08:30 -0700 > From: "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > > Melody and Al, > > While I don't live in southern California, I get down there quite a bit > from > the San Francisco area to visit my wife's family. I have a couple of > suggestions. > > Two train stores > > Train Stop in San Dimas at 211 W. Bonita Ave. They have a sizeable amount > of collectable Gilbert and Flyonel, plus the new AF and MTH accessories. > Interesting to look around. Reminds me of the hobby shops I frequented as > a > kid in the late 50's and 60's. To get there take I 5 to the 10 and then > the > Route 57 to Arrow Highway in San Dimas. Route 57 goes into Orange County, > so check your maps to see if you can get to it more directly. I am > usually > on my way to Palm Springs or Riverside. Go to the right and make the > first > left on Bonita. Keep going until you get to the old part of town. Its on > the right just over the tracks. There is also a small museum across the > street. > > There is also the Whistle Stop in Pasadena, but I didn't find much S > there, > but it is a big hobby shop. Address is in MR dealer ads. > > Finally, If you want to take a bit of a ride out to Perris, which is just > past Riverside, you can see the Orange Empire Railway Museum. It is > mostly > streetcars, but you can see what appears to be a dead ringer for the AF > Docksider in 12" to the foot scale. Everyone points out the lack of a > fuel > bunker on the rear of the Docksider as unrealistic but this one doesn't > have > one either. Are the fuel tanks over the boiler along with the water > tanks. > If you go, ask a few questions and let me know. I didn't get to the last > time I was there. They depend on volunteer staffing, so finding someone > knowledgable may be difficult. Have a good time, as if Disneyland isn't > enough. > > Dale Smith > Pacifica, CA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > To: "A/S-TRAINS" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Kielek Family" > <mkielek@...> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:40 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > > >> Hi Melody, >> >> You only sent this note to me. >> I am not familiar with Pomona >> or Anaheim. Perhaps someone >> on the S-Trains list can help like >> Dave Dewey. >> >> Glenn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> >> To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re:ANAHEIM AREA >> >> >>> We are heading to disneyland in three weeks. Has anyone seen the garden >>> railroad in Pomona. What else is there >>> to see around that area for my train crazy husband >>> >>> Melody (Al Kieleks wife} > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:28:54 -0700 > From: Tom Rolfsmeyer <silvertom@...> > Subject: Trip to Sacramento > > Ok S friends I have a request for you. Does any one in the group know of > hobby shops in and around the Sacramento CA area that have S stuff. > Please let me know as soon as you can. My friend Ralph and I will be > going to the S fest West this Friday. I know this is short notice but > any help you can give is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > > Tom Rolfsmeyer > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:55:55 -0700 > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > Subject: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > > Hmm, > Glenn wrote: > Hi Melody, > > You only sent this note to me. > I am not familiar with Pomona > or Anaheim. Perhaps someone > on the S-Trains list can help like > Dave Dewey. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> > To: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:15 PM > Subject: Re:ANAHEIM AREA > > >> We are heading to disneyland in three weeks. Has anyone seen the garden >> railroad in Pomona. What else is there >> to see around that area for my train crazy husband >> >> Melody (Al Kieleks wife} > > Well, I'd love to help but Orange County is about a 13 hour drive (at > 70MPH)--I have no idea what's down there anymore, haven't been in the area > in at least a decade. There used to be a great eatery on Harbor Blvd, > about > two miles south of the Mouse Park, it was a Pink building, on a south west > corner, with a big sign on top " Country Cooking" FABULOUS food, and one > serving can serve three! > S' > David D. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35701	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2005
Subject: Paul Yorke

Paul would you kindly email me off list, have a question for you. Ed in St. Petersburg. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35702	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Quartering tool

Some time ago, there was a thread regarding the fact that AF steam drivers did not seem to be quartered at an exact 90-degrees, and there was speculation about the reason, etc. Recently, as I was doing some research through my Gilbert paper regarding our newly-released reproductions of the 6-wheel quartering tool, I came across an original memo from the company to its service stations. It sheds some "original light" on the discussion. I'll copy it below. Note that it refers to Bulletin #14....that was the original instruction sheet for using the R-2 quartering tool. "In our Bulletin #14, we showed on the sketch that the dies were quartered or set at 90 degrees. This was originally planned and designed that way, but we found that it worked best when the wheels were set not exactly quartered, but at 87 degrees. You will find on the R-2 Tool Kit that the dies are not quartered, but are slightly off, as the pins on one die are set at 87-degrees. This is the same setting that is used at the plant on the production lines. On a six wheel drive locomotive, manufactured since 1955, on which the wheels were set at 87 degrees, you can replace one or two defective drive wheels using the R-2 Tool Kit. However, on the older six wheel drive locomotives, on which the wheels were set at 90 degrees, you can replace one or two drive wheels, depending on which side you are going to replace them, but it is necessary to remove the three drive wheels on that particular side. You can then replace the defective wheel and then put the wheels back on the chassis with new settings, using the R-2 Tool Kit. " Bottom line: pre-1955, it appears that the factory used a 90-degree setting, but changed to 87-degrees in or after 1955. The R-2 tool will work fine to replace/quarter a single wheel on a post-1955 engine, but if replacing a wheel on an earlier engine, all three drivers on that side will have to be removed, and then remounted using the R-2 tool. Note that our reproduction tools were made identical to the original Gilbert R-2 tools, at 87 degrees. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35703	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Jacksonville, Florida visit

I will be in the Jacksonville, Florida area all next week. I would welcome suggestions about train shops and exhibits to visit. Thanks. Mike Vandiver mvandiver2@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35704	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes ???

I am in the process of replacing some of the American Flyer wheelsets in streamlined passenger cars with the SHS wheelsets made for the American Flyer cars. Its an attempt to upgrade their operation enough to justify keeping the cars, since the AM passenger cars are so superior in every respect. . . . . . . Thus far I am inclined to believe the wheelsets will make a huge improvement in rollability. However, in removing some of the old wheelsets, I have caused a couple of the sideframes to come off. I wonder if any of you have recommendations on a glue or other adhesive to use in rejoining the sideframes to the metal part they fit in ??? - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35705	From: JMatt	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado and TMCC

Hey gang, just wondering how many of you all out there are using TMCC with your Lionel AF Mikado? I had been operating under conventional mode but the differnce is fantastic. Anyone in the Pittsburgh area, I will be visiting from June 18 thru the 22nd and would love to meet up with any S gaugers in the area. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35706	From: Steve Roche	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Southern Calif train stores

The train stop in San Dimas is huge and has a fair amount of Flyer, however, it is a bit pricy. One place I went to a few years back was Classic Trains in Rowland Heights. Hard store to find but it was floor to ceiling flyer. I bought a 322 there for $75 (albeit it did require some TLC). Steve ROche [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35707	From: roy inman	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Flyer, Flonel couplers

Greetings to all, I know this has been discussed before, but I didn't need to know then :) I want to convert Flyer/Flyonel couplers to something more realistic (sort of heretical I know, mia culpa). Is there a tutorial on one of the web sites of our S gurus (or elsewhere) that explains how? Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35708	From: Mac	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Kind of off list but

Since I know there are a lot of serious e-bayers on the list and since this is about a layout, I thought I might seek some advice. I shipped a Z-Scale layout from the Bluegrass to the west coast. I used UPS and insured it for $400.00. UPS is honoring the claim and paying the $400.00, packing charges and shipping. I am sending the bidder the check. The question is, who gets the layout? Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35709	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer, Flonel couplers

Mike Greene and I did a piece a while ago. Not sure if I would call a tutorial, but it does have some how to and photos. There were some dissenting opinions on which is the best "scale" coupler to use, so take it for what it's worth. It's on the S Helper website: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexCouplers.html Bill At 01:45 PM 5/20/2005 -0500, roy inman wrote: >Greetings to all, >I know this has been discussed before, but I didn't need to know then :) >I want to convert Flyer/Flyonel couplers to something more realistic (sort >of heretical I know, mia culpa). >Is there a tutorial on one of the web sites of our S gurus (or elsewhere) >that explains how? >Cheers :) >Roy Inman > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35710	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but

Sorry......I didn't think before I typed...... UPS should get it yes..... but a friend of mine filed a claim with USPS for a damaged Lionel engine....... When he went to pick up the check he asked what they were going to do with it......answer.....Toss it in the trash....... You Want It? Take it too...... engine only had a few small scratches which he repaired..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac" <macflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Kind of off list but > Since I know there are a lot of serious e-bayers on the list and since > this is about a layout, I thought I might seek some advice. I shipped a > Z-Scale layout from the Bluegrass to the west coast. I used UPS and > insured it for $400.00. UPS is honoring the claim and paying the > $400.00, packing charges and shipping. I am sending the bidder the > check. The question is, who gets the layout? > > Mac > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35711	From: Doug	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but

Mac, You should salvage the layout. The buyer has been returned for his payment. Doug K. >From: Mac <macflyer@...> >Date: Fri May 20 14:22:54 CDT 2005 >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Kind of off list but >Since I know there are a lot of serious e-bayers on the list and since >this is about a layout, I thought I might seek some advice. I shipped a >Z-Scale layout from the Bluegrass to the west coast. I used UPS and >insured it for $400.00. UPS is honoring the claim and paying the >$400.00, packing charges and shipping. I am sending the bidder the >check. The question is, who gets the layout? > >Mac > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35712	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but

On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 03:22 PM, Mac wrote: > Since I know there are a lot of serious e-bayers on the list and since > this is about a layout, I thought I might seek some advice. I shipped a > Z-Scale layout from the Bluegrass to the west coast. I used UPS and > insured it for $400.00. UPS is honoring the claim and paying the > $400.00, packing charges and shipping. I am sending the bidder the > check. The question is, who gets the layout? > > Mac UPS does. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... The 50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is 90% probability you'll get it wrong.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35713	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: #670 Track Trip

I just stumbled across the #670 Track Trip in K-line's Service Manual. I've never heard of it before. Do they work reliably? Are they readily available? Anybody got one or more they could sell me? Thanks. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35714	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/20/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but

Did I miss somethin'? What happened to the layout?? Damaged I assume. Rick. Since I know there are a lot of serious e-bayers on the list and since this is about a layout, I thought I might seek some advice. I shipped a Z-Scale layout from the Bluegrass to the west coast. I used UPS and insured it for $400.00. UPS is honoring the claim and paying the $400.00, packing charges and shipping. I am sending the bidder the check. The question is, who gets the layout? Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35715	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes ???

Hi Earl.....you can use a "metal epoxy"(made by various companies). It usually takes alot more time to set compared to regular epoxy, but can be machined afterwards. You can also try to re-rivet the sideframes onto the sheet metal truck frames with a centre punch first, before trying the epoxy. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <tennsgauge@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes ??? > I am in the process of replacing some of the American Flyer wheelsets in > streamlined passenger cars with the SHS wheelsets made for the American Flyer > cars. Its an attempt to upgrade their operation enough to justify keeping the > cars, since the AM passenger cars are so superior in every respect. . . . . . . > Thus far I am inclined to believe the wheelsets will make a huge improvement in > rollability. > > However, in removing some of the old wheelsets, I have caused a couple of the > sideframes to come off. I wonder if any of you have recommendations on a > glue or other adhesive to use in rejoining the sideframes to the metal part they > fit in ??? > > - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/2005 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35716	From: Henry Buehling	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but

The buyer gets the layout. You've been paid. You have your money. They buyer gets the layout. Hank (Ebayer since 1998) > Since I know there are a lot of serious e-bayers on the list and since > this is about a layout, I thought I might seek some advice. I shipped a > Z-Scale layout from the Bluegrass to the west coast. I used UPS and > insured it for $400.00. UPS is honoring the claim and paying the > $400.00, packing charges and shipping. I am sending the bidder the > check. The question is, who gets the layout? > > Mac > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35717	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes

Personally, I like either 5-minute epoxy (2-part), or JB Weld for this. Also, on ANY truck assemblies, when spreading them apart to remove/insert axles, AVOID putting pressure on the diecast sideframes.....apply presure to the sheet-metal portion of the truck on which the cast sideframes are mounted. How to do this?...Invest in a good-size pair of O-ring pliers; mine are from Snap-On Tools. With these, the tips can be placed against the sheet metal, and with very minor pressure, you can spread the sides just enough to pop the axles. Result: no risk at all of damage to the cast sideframes.... <<< However, in removing some of the old wheelsets, I have caused a couple of the sideframes to come off. I wonder if any of you have recommendations on a glue or other adhesive to use in rejoining the sideframes to the metal part they fit in ??? >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35718	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but

Wrong. UPS gets the damaged item. Seller got his money from the buyer. UPS damaged item. UPS pays buyer for damage and takes the item. On Saturday, May 21, 2005, at 07:30 AM, Henry Buehling wrote: > The buyer gets the layout. You've been paid. You have your money. > They > buyer gets the layout. > Hank (Ebayer since 1998) > >> Since I know there are a lot of serious e-bayers on the list and >> since >> this is about a layout, I thought I might seek some advice. I >> shipped a >> Z-Scale layout from the Bluegrass to the west coast. I used UPS and >> insured it for $400.00. UPS is honoring the claim and paying the >> $400.00, packing charges and shipping. I am sending the bidder the >> check. The question is, who gets the layout? >> >> Mac thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35719	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes

There is also a fast setting version of JB Weld called JB Kwik which I've had good luck with. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <tennsgauge@...> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Rejoining American Flyer Passenger Car Sideframes > Personally, I like either 5-minute epoxy (2-part), or JB Weld for this. > > > Doug Peck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35720	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Kind of off list but

The insurer gets the layout that was damaged during shipping. For such a small amount I would assume it was below the deductible for UPS's insurance policy so UPS gets the layout. If the claim went against UPS's insurance policy, then the insurance company gets the layout. It's then up to either UPS or the insurance company on how to attempt to recover value for the layout. In this case it probably got thrown out in the trash or taken home by an employee (which could result in termination unless the employee got all the proper approvals and paperwork filled out). BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35721	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: the Late James Edward's PCC Trolley Cars

Just inquiring if anyone has any of the fantastic Pcc Trolleys by the Late James Edwards, I sure wish someone would come out with a newer version for S gauge today. Any leads greatly appreciated. Jerry Matsick NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35722	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Ebay - S-helper From Kelvin

----- Original Message ----- From: Kelvin A. White To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Cc: Southeastern Model Railroaders Forum Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: S Scale SHS Atlantic Coast Line SW9 # 711 & #652 on Ebay For your information S Scale Atlantic Coast Line SW9 #711 & #652 I've just listed these very rare and long out of production S Helper Service models on Ebay Details can be found at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5977146451&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 and http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5977147471&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 best regards Kelvin White Oxford, England Email: kelvin@... PLEASE NOTE my email is changing in Mid May to kelvin@... almost the same - just no Demon! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35723	From: lember2004	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS

The replies to this question [post #35693] all indicated that the behavior I described was normal, I was pleased to learn. Thanks to all responders! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35724	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2673

I just got back from the Spring S Spree. A very nice show. S-Helper Service was there. American Models was there. Even K-line was there. Where was the big L? Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35725	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: My first S Spree

Had a good time at my first Spree, lots of nice folks, Flyer, and other S gauge goodies. Three of the four "majors" were there, S- Helper, Am. Models, K-Line. Nice to meet Don Thompson, a real nice fellow and a very busy man at the Spree! Also ran into Chris (Elizibeth Station), J Fred, Vic, and a couple of other folks from the S-Trains group. Finally got to put faces to the comunicators on S-Trains. Spent some time talking with John Foley and other NASG folks who made the trip to Ohio. Talked with the Morgans who are Tomalco Track, took in Chris' Timko Can Motor clinic, and later met Frank Timko who is originally from a little town only about six miles away from where I live. Hung around with Terry and Louise Putt, who was showing one of the few 2-4-4 Suburbans he has parts for, and bought another of his diesels. A whole lot of nice dealers and other folks were very helpful to a guy who has been back in S gauge less than a year. Spent too much money on goodies, but that's the idea, right? Saw the K-Line Porter for myself, in fact the rep was nice enough to let me look it over pretty close and take some measurements. It's definately O scale, the cab is 12 feet tall from deck to roof! If the cab could be replaced, this loco would still be a neat S scale piece. Unfortunately neither the rep or I could see any parting line, so we figure the whole superstructure is probably one casting. However, this is not a production model, so I'll wait until I get mine to see what modifications need to me made. The Miami Valley S Gaugers did a nice job on the Spree, Cindy and I enjoyed it. Thanks a whole bunch y'all! Stumpy Stone...tired but happy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35726	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/21/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS

I was actually interested in the answers. Too bad no one responded to the list. Or was the answer simply, "It's normal-forget it" ----- Original Message ----- From: "lember2004" <lember2004@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS > The replies to this question [post #35693] all indicated that the > behavior I described was normal, I was pleased to learn. > Thanks to all responders! > Mark > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35727	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: A bit more about the K-Line Porter

Y'all...I got my first chance to really examine this at the Spree... If you look at the K-Line catalog, you'll notice that the Porter cab roof is about even with the roofs of the O gauge cars behind it. The type of Porter they have modeled would have been dwarfed by standard box cars. Evidently somebody thought this just wouldn't do, so they made the loco BIGGER in O scale! In all fairness, Porter DID build some pretty big 0-4-0s, but one this big would have been of a different type. I think they picked this protoype because of the success Bachmann has had in On30 with this style engine. The cab dominates the engine, giving it that "cute puppy dog look" so attractive in narrow gauge. I could overlook everything else if the cab was closer to the right size. It's a dead givaway that this is an O scale loco. If it were removable, that would give us the option of making an S scale cab for it. In this locomotive's favor is it's weight, which should make it a good puller, and it's price, allowing affordable modification. Stumpy Stone...Dremel Tool at the ready...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35728	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 repair

I just purchased an AF290 engine/tender from an antique/junk shop and not unsurprising, it does not run. The engine has a 4 plug receptacle and the tender has a 4 plug male plug but only 3 wires are connected to it from the tender cable. Connecting power to the tender wheels gets no response from the engine. I would like to test the engine by itself first ( without the tender attached), but I'm not sure how to apply power to the 4 connectors at the back of the engine to see if I can get it to run. I have K-Line AF repair manual, but it doesn't provide me with the necessary information. I have saved most of the engine repair suggestions from this group in a WordPerfect file, but a search of that file does not give me any help. I think we may have discussed this issue before, but the search of my data and mind leaves me blank. So could anyone help with the procedure for the electrical check out of the engine. This seems to me to be the step to take first. And then go from there. I think I need to connect more then just the two leads from the transformer to two of the 4 connectors on the engine. I think it's the correct tender, but not totally sure and that's why I want to check the engine first, if possible, with out the tender. Thanks Ted Walton -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35729	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: PRR T&HS 2005 part 2

Hi All, By popular demand I made a second link showing a closer look at my S Scale model display at the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical Convention in Harrisburg this weekend. Enjoy! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_PRRTHS_2005.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_PRRTHS_2005_Closeup.jpg Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35730	From: JMatt	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: Re: NO CHAT TONIGHT?

Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35731	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/22/2005
Subject: Re: Am. Flyer 290 repair

Examine the wires into the loco from the 4 plug connector. You will find one pair goes to the brushes(armature) and one pair to the field. Connect one brush plug to one field plug. Connect the other brush and field plug leads to the power source. The engine should run. To reverse without coming from the tender you have to manually interchange either the field or brush leads. There is an excellent wiring diagram at: http://tuveson.com/ Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Walton" <trwalton@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Am. Flyer 290 repair > I just purchased an AF290 engine/tender from an antique/junk shop and not > unsurprising, it does not run. The engine has a 4 plug receptacle and the > tender has a 4 plug male plug but only 3 wires are connected to it from the > tender cable. Connecting power to the tender wheels gets no response from > the engine. > > I would like to test the engine by itself first ( without the tender > attached), but I'm not sure how to apply power to the 4 connectors at the > back of the engine to see if I can get it to run. I have K-Line AF repair > manual, but it doesn't provide me with the necessary information. I have > saved most of the engine repair suggestions from this group in a > WordPerfect file, but a search of that file does not give me any help. I > think we may have discussed this issue before, but the search of my data > and mind leaves me blank. So could anyone help with the procedure for the > electrical check out of the engine. This seems to me to be the step to take > first. And then go from there. I think I need to connect more then just the > two leads from the transformer to two of the 4 connectors on the engine. I > think it's the correct tender, but not totally sure and that's why I want > to check the engine first, if possible, with out the tender. Thanks > > Ted Walton > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005 > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35732	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Flyer Fest West

When to Flyer Fest West this weekend in Elk Grove, Ca. The Turn out was good this year, And we all had a very good time. Plenty of good old American Flyer, Plus lots of S gauge Items, Train racing and a nice dinner. On Sunday we tour the Sacramento Railroad Museum, We all had a very nice time! Trying to get a Flyer event going strong on the west coast. It keeps getting better every year!!! Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35733	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: Off topic: S-Ring - Policy Enforcement

Current Members - Future Members I am working on updating the S-Trains web ring. If you have a webpage and are interested in joining visit http://s-scale.org/webring.html . The ring is now contigious, new members will need to add S-Ring html code prior to being included in the ring. There are several sites in the ring right this minute that are 'pending' because I am waiting for them to add the code. If you join you MUST put the ring html code on your front page. I dropped one site because they changed the code to prevent people from progressing to the next site. Others have never got around to putting the code on their front page. The ring only works if a visitor can progress through it. If you are currently a member please ensure your site is not being bypassed. http://s-scale.org/ring.php If you have a website and want to join, please contact me OFF LIST. Send me your site URL and if it is a S related site I will send you the html code. Paul Yorke - http://PaulYorke.com Website Development 772.285.4817(cell) - 772.597.3788 (office) Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35734	From: knockbill	Date: 5/23/2005
Subject: 290 repairs

The easiest way to test an engine without the tender, is to make a jumper out of a piece of wire about the size of one of the tender plug prongs( #14 works well), & bend it into a U shape,,,,, put it into 2 jack holes, (one connected to the field, one to a brush), ,,, then connect the two lines from the transformer to the other two wires on the jack,,,, the engine will be powered to run in one direction. Before you power the engine, try to turn the armature with your thumb, & check the rods, etc for binding,,, turn it through a complete revolution,also check to see if the springs and brushes are in place... If its free to turn, & reasonably clean, it should run ,,,,,or at least try to... As for the missing wire on the tender jack, its probably broken off in the cloth covering,,,, you can find and re-attach it.... But thats a subject for another post..... Let us know how you make out Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35735	From: hgetrain	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS

Apparently there were several answers to the original post, but they all went to the originator. Great for him, but disappointing to other list members who were interested in hearing the answers. It also deminishes the value of the list for many, if not most, members. This list has grown in membership recently probably because there are many people in other scales who want to see what is going on in the S Gauge community. Many of these people may be on the list because they are considering getting into S. We should want these people to feel that, if they do go into S Gauge, they will get help and support from other list members. We all know that this will be the case. But seeing posts appear to go unanswered does not reflect this reality. The problem as I see it is that when you reply to a post, the default is to send the reply to the originator of the post. I know that I have written several long replies intended for the list but have forgotten to change the destination to S-Trains. The list never saw these replies because I did not want to take the time to retype them. I am sure I am not the only one who has had this problem. The solution is to make the default destination the S-Trains list. I think that if this change is made, S-Trains will be more meaningful for more of us. What do other members think? Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@s...> wrote: > I was actually interested in the answers. Too bad no one responded to the > list. Or was the answer simply, "It's normal-forget it" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lember2004" <lember2004@y...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:31 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS > > > > The replies to this question [post #35693] all indicated that the > > behavior I described was normal, I was pleased to learn. > > Thanks to all responders! > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35736	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS

HARRY......Don't retype.....look in the sent items file...... forward.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35737	From: fhazlehurst@att.net	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? - ANSWERS

I agree Harry. As a relative "newbie" to the list & a "born again" Flyer fan, I totally enjoy following the discussion threads on this site. I'm getting a tremendous education just listening in to all the seasoned pros out there. I am sure that much of the information I'm getting from this list will be useful when I finally "dust off" the Flyers. As a side note, I realized that a selection of "Reply All" includes the original sender & the S-Trains list. "Reply" only goes to the original sender. Fred Hazlehurst

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35738	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: ANSWERS

Regarding getting answers to questions: I, too, would like to see the answers, but the downside of that is the increased number of e-mails. I already deal with over 400 e- mails/week and don't need more. The solution would be to delete them if I'm not interested. That would be OK, except for the fact that they all come with [S-Trains] in the title, the rest of the subject box info is only seen when you open the e-mail. Too late to save me time. Perhaps something can be done to our system to give the core subject first. That, incidentally, would also make the information more useful when I file them into my TRAIN folders. Now, if I have a question come up, it's really faster to ask the question than to sort through the e- mails in my folders in an effort to find THE one that addresses my problem. It's easier to just ask the question again and hope our members don't get tied answering it. Of course, I'm finding that some of you have great web sites with this information on it. I recently got a wiring diagram that I needed, for example. The fact that the site contained that info was, however, gained from a S-trains member. Thanks, Bob. I'm not knowledgeable about the workings of a list serve, so we may be expecting more than is possible. If so, I'm still grateful that we have this resource. BTW: I have responded to individuals who asked a question that I was especially interested in and asked them to share the answers they received. That's another way to facilitate the exchange of information. Good question, Harry. Let's see what others think. Steve >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> Enjoy thousands of great photos >>> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35739	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: ANSWERS

On Tuesday, May 24, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Stephen Litts wrote: > Regarding getting answers to questions: > > I, too, would like to see the answers, but the downside of that is > the increased number of e-mails. I already deal with over 400 e- > mails/week and don't need more. The solution would be to delete them WOW you have to deal with 400 emails a week. I deal with 400/500 a day. Love my delete key Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...\ You can't have everything. Where would you put it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35740	From: lember2004	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: posting ANSWERS to (my) question

It was my question about AF disel performance that got the discussion going on posting answers to the group vs. individual, so guess I should comment. I too am new to the group. When I signed on I read the group "rules" where it says, in effect, that the prefered method for dealing with questions is for answers to go to the asker and then for the asker to post a summary of the answers. That is what i have done for the 3 or 4 questions I've asked so far. Personally, i like the idea of answer summaries (although i haven't noticed a lot of other answer summaries for other questions), but would find a different system equally acceptable. Important to me is that this forum is a very supportive, helpful group. I look forward to learning a lot more - and contributing a bit to the learning of others. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35741	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: York Photos

Hi All, I have posted photos from the April York meet. There are not as many nor are they as varied as I usually take, but they may be fun to view for those who are interested. They can be found at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup97 Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35742	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos

Barb, Nice group picture, but having the group in front of the Pumpkin Funnel Cake stand with a dietician as a wife, is like giving garlic to a vampire! LOL Good to see you again, even with one eye. Oh well. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35743	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos

What about poor old diabetic Jerry - now Carolyn thinks I was eating all that stuff up, I said no I was happy to run into these dear people, who make York so worthwhile. Good picture Barbara - except for that old man in front on the right! Jerry > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Date: 2005/05/24 Tue PM 04:54:45 EDT > To: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...>, > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Photos > > Barb, > > Nice group picture, but having the group in front of the Pumpkin Funnel Cake > stand with a dietician as a wife, is like giving garlic to a vampire! LOL > > Good to see you again, even with one eye. Oh well. > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35744	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 repair

Thanks to all who responded here and directly to me on how to test run the AF 290 engine without the tender attached. As suggested in a number of different ways, I shorted the two inner plugs together on the engine and applied the power from the transformer to the two outer plugs. The engine ran pretty good, and light and smoke unit also worked. As also suggested, I did find the missing wire to the tender plug in the cloth covering of the 4-wire cable. I was able to solder this wire back into the plug after cleaning the plug out. Connecting everything back and applying power to the tender pick-up wheels, the engine ran. BUT. But only in one direction, reverse. moving the lever on the bottom of the tender made no difference. I assume the problem is in the reversing switch in the tender? On applying and breaking power to the tender. I don't here any noise from the tender - the engine just stops and then continues in the same direction. It looks like 4 metal tabs at the 4 corners on the bottom of the tender will need to be bent straight to be able to take the cover off to get inside? Those metal tabs always make me nervous anytime I have to bend them - but you have to do what you have to do. Is my understanding what needs to be done OK so far? The 4 metal tabs look like they never been touched. Thanks again for the previous and any additional suggestions. Ted Walton -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35745	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos

Sorry, Jerry, I forgot about your condition there! I couldn't see you! O:)! Now, would Bob Conner who lives in Jacksonville, FL like Jerry, please explain the Snowmobile t-shirt he is wearing! LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtoytrain@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...>; "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: [S-Trains] York Photos > What about poor old diabetic Jerry - now Carolyn thinks I was eating all that stuff up, I said no > I was happy to run into these dear people, who make York so worthwhile. > Good picture Barbara - except for that old man in front on the right! > > Jerry > > > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > Date: 2005/05/24 Tue PM 04:54:45 EDT > > To: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...>, > > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Photos > > > > Barb, > > > > Nice group picture, but having the group in front of the Pumpkin Funnel Cake > > stand with a dietician as a wife, is like giving garlic to a vampire! LOL > > > > Good to see you again, even with one eye. Oh well. > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35746	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: 500!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bert the Cop continues to upload pix of vehicles for S. In fact, he's crossed the 500 mark (!) with no end in sight. There are currently more than 20 images still to post (one per day), then Bert must move to a new venue. He can no longer use the office building of Snappy Al's Used Cars as a backdrop, because Al is having the building remodeled and needs the space for inventory anyway. (Al may also be a tad envious of Bert's increasing notoriety and web exposure.) At any rate, Bert will appear in a different setting after the current crop of images is exhausted. He can hardly wait. View old and new images at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01?&page=1 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35747	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos

Mike.... the writing says "I Snowmobile" and under it says "Because the voices in my head tell me too!!!! "I had lots comment on it while running the isles.... Besides everybody needs a safe sport.... I go into Yellowstone area once or twice a year...... 150 miles most in one day.....and belive me....even under 6 - 7 feet of snow the old railroad cutoff you can still feel the ties for a few miles going into Idaho from Montana...... even at 45 mph..... and temps a plesant 0... Course ny DANGEROUS hobby is AF..... Fraid a pile night fall on me!!!!! or I might drop an engine a break my foot..... My train room looks like Fibber McGees closet..... know what I mean....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35748	From: ORA E BROOKS	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Should an AF diesel work this way? Answere 24 May '05

You have a good point, I have put S-Trains in my address book. Hope other do the same. You can answer the person and copy S-Trains. toot toot, Ora. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35749	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos

Next time, we need to take this picture in front of Neil Young's bus, and not the Pumpkin Funnel Cake stand!! LOL Hear that David Dewey! Rust Never Sleeps! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York Photos > Hi All, > > I have posted photos from the April York meet. There > are not as many nor are they as varied as I usually take, > but they may be fun to view for those who are interested. > > They can be found at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup97 > > Barb > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35750	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Am. Flyer 290 Repair

Ted... Someone offlist may have told you this, but.... Shorting those two inner pins together, and powering the two outer pins is not ALWAYS the rule! Gilbert did not wire all engines identically, and if you short the wrong pins and then apply power, you will short the motor! Better rule: look where the 4 wires go that are connected to those 4 pins. ALWAYS short one pin that connects to the field, and one pin that connects to a brush tube. Doesn't matter which one in either case, but that's what needs to be shorted. In most cases, the two inner pins is correct, but not in ALL cases, so be careful. Your reverse problem is probably a sign that you need to replace the finger contacts on the reverse unit. Yes, you'll have to gently bend those tabs to open the tender. Then disassemble the reverse-unit (4 more tabs to bend!) clean the drum well, replace the two finger boards (give the fingers a downward bend before mounting them to ensure good contact with the drum), and move the wires over from the original fingers to the new ones (don't mix them up). When we do engine overhauls for customers, replacing rvs fingers is an automatic.....it's a very cheap investment that helps ensure good operation! We have them available if needed. We have a number of how-to "clinics" that you may find helpful on our website.....click on "AF REPAIR CLINICS". <<<As suggested in a number of different ways, I shorted the two inner plugs together on the engine and applied the power from the transformer to the two outer plugs. The engine ran pretty good, and light and smoke unit also worked. Connecting everything back and applying power to the tender pick-up wheels, the engine ran. BUT only in one direction, reverse. moving the lever on the bottom of the tender made no difference. I assume the problem is in the reversing switch in the tender? On applying and breaking power to the tender. I don't here any noise from the tender - the engine just stops and then continues in the same direction.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35751	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: FLASH...K-Line Porter update

Hey y'all...Somebody at K-Line is paying attention to S gauge. I got a nice e-mail from Robert Middour, Research & Developement Manager at K-Line. Now whether this is as a result of my inquiries of the K-Line rep at the Spree, or they watch the S-trains list, I don't know. He says that they are aware that the Porter is too big for accurate S scale. However, the good news is that THE CAB IS A SEPARATE CASTING. He even attached a photo of the cab itself! It attaches with snap in prongs on the bottom of the cab which snap through the cab deck. This means that a closer to scale cab can be built for the Porter, which will make it much more palatable to us! Of course I will tear into mine as soon as it arrives! Stumpy Stone...The Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35752	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: beginning the process

The time has finally come for me to start the process of cataloging my trains and related inventory.I will be attending the NASG convention in Altoona and want to have photos and lists of everything I wish to sell. It will include everything from shelves, videos,"S" Gaugians&Heralds, CCT's,posters, books, Gilbert catalogs and of course trains. Trains consist of some choice Gilbert, lots of Lionel S,SHS,AM, kits, commemorative cars (back to 1974), all in all 54 years of collecting. I will also be taking photos of a magnificent layout that took almost 5 years to build, that goes to. I had thought of an auction but would rather try this way first. Now the fine print: I will not sell items separately. It all must be purchased together, with the layout separate. Buy it all and I would consider a killer price on the layout. All must be picked up in St. Petersburg, Florida. Nothing will be shipped, that's the reason I'm not using Ebay. Folks to be honest I do not know all I have, nor do I have a firm price in mind.I do not have Gilbert boxes, or accessories but have boxes for all the SHS,AM,Lionel etc. You are more then welcome to email me, I will give you an honest description but please keep in mind ALL MUST GO AT ONCE. Thank you. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35753	From: firex43	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Info on AF 785 & 23785

Hello, If possible, please describe any spotting features that would differentiate the AF 785 Coal Loader from it's newer relative the AF 23785 Coal Loader. Thank you in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35754	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2677

In a message dated 5/25/2005 5:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 7 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:02:50 -0400 From: Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> Subject: York Photos Barb, I feel as if I know you personally based on this group alone. Thank you so much for sharing these, and all of your other wonderful photos with us. I am sorry I didn't make time to get up and see this marvel of 1950 engineering, ( the year before I was born). Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35755	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos

Clay and gang! Robert Allen Conner lives just a 20 minute drive from my place, been wanting to have him come over for a visit or to pay him a visit, now I know why, the truth Bro. Bob can't get another person or train into his house. A good and personal friend of ours said he has a Gold Mine of American Flyer Collection, not just one or two but a number of the same items. Hey Bob, come on over to visit! Jerry Matsick NASG and tCA > > From: Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> > Date: 2005/05/26 Thu PM 12:43:49 EDT > To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>, mtoytrain@..., > Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, > mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Re: Re: [S-Trains] York Photos > > > --- ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: > <snip> > > DANGEROUS hobby is AF..... Fraid > > a pile night fall on me!!!!! or I might drop an > > engine a break my foot..... > > My train room looks like Fibber McGees closet..... > > know what I mean....Bob > > > Fibber's Closet! Now that is something I can > understand!! > > -Clay > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35756	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Re: York Photos

--- ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: <snip> > DANGEROUS hobby is AF..... Fraid > a pile night fall on me!!!!! or I might drop an > engine a break my foot..... > My train room looks like Fibber McGees closet..... > know what I mean....Bob > Fibber's Closet! Now that is something I can understand!! -Clay > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35757	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: Vehicles

It is quite some time since there were any reports of new S scale vehicles. JADA now has their 57 Chev Panel truck in several cars other than faded black. Saw 'em at KayBee. Even better, KayBee also had a '65 Chev pickup and a '66 Ford Bronco. The Chev scales out at 6' 3" wide. That sounds close enough to exact 1/64th scale to me. The Bronco scales out at 5' wide. Those were small trucks, so 5' sounds believable. Anybody got more info? Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35758	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/26/2005
Subject: JL

I forgot to say, the Chevy and Bronco are by Johnny Lightning. Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35759	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: 1/64 firetrucks

Here's a source for some vintage fire equipment-Reader's Digest. IF you're the condensed book type, that is-they're offering 1/64 scale fireengines from 1912-48 as a freebie if you sign on for their condensed books. not to everyone's liking, but hey, you can cancel after the first one-john Marganski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35760	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 29, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35761	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: MODEL CONTEST

My hat is off to Thorin! I have yet to see many non-members even attend a convention let alone bring a model. Perhaps the real issue is how to get non-members to even attend, enjoy and want to join. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@...> To: <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Model Contest > There have been some interesting thoughts on this thread. If a contest is held only for members, could an option be to have a separate category for non-members only? So the members would have separate categories for steam, diesel, etc. while the non-members would have a catch-all category. This way, the non-member would get the satisfaction of being in a contest, but also have the encouragement to become a member so their model(s) can appear in the "correct" category. > > Mark Plank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > We have yet to see anyone in this group support your idea. > > > > There actually is some reason to assume that convention registrations > > include contest participation regardless of whether the participant > <snip> > > Most convention PR that I've seen includes the model contest as one of > > the convention activities, without any statement that membership is > > required. If the contest is NASG sponsored and is held at the > > convention, then yes, it should be for NASG members only. It would > > also be fine with me if it were a convention contest open to convention > > registrants.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35762	From: Russ and Beth Rawling	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: 1/64 Hess Helicopter

The Hess miniature toy this year is a helicopter for $5.99. It went on sale 5/27/05. It looks close to 1/64 scale. Russ Rawling rrawling@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35763	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 Repair

Doug Thanks for that important information on the variation of the wiring in American Flyer engines. Maybe this is obvious, but when I make tests like this, I always start out with the transformer voltage at lowest setting and then make just a momentary contract (a brief swipe) with the one unattached led and watch for the spark. A big spark is, of course, an indication of a direct short. If things look OK. I then will slowly increase the voltage and/or the duration of the contact time to further test the operation. Even when testing a simple 2 wire connection on an old engine or accessory I have newly acquired, I always use this procedure. There is no confusion on how things are to be connected, but you never know if time, abuse, or improper repairs have not caused a short. So my recommendation on initial test is to NEVER hook up the connections and then apply power to see if the thing works. Start at low transformer voltage, test with momentary contact, and then increase as necessary to test operation. Ted Walton At 05:43 AM 5/26/2005, Doug Peck wrote: >Ted... >Someone offlist may have told you this, but.... >Shorting those two inner pins together, and powering the two outer pins is >not ALWAYS the rule! Gilbert did not wire all engines identically, and if >you short the wrong pins and then apply power, you will short the motor! >Better rule: look where the 4 wires go that are connected to those 4 pins. >ALWAYS short one pin that connects to the field, and one pin that connects >to a brush tube. >Doesn't matter which one in either case, but that's what needs to be shorted. >In most cases, the two inner pins is correct, but not in ALL cases, so be >careful. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35764	From: Ted Walton	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Am. Flyer 290 Repair, fixing reversing unit

The cover on the AF 290 tender was easily removed without any problem in bending the 4 metal tabs on the underside. I think the main problem in lack of response from the reversing unit was that the engine had probably sat for a very long time and some of the linkages/drum "froze" up. After removing the cover, I was able to free things up by moving the rod linkage (above the forward/reverse locking lever on the bottom of the tender) up and down a couple times. On applying power, the reverse unit now responded but was hanging up a little. I had a can of contact spray (TV tuner) cleaner and sprayed the drum and fingers, and linkages while moving the lever up and down and carefully and gently wiping the drum clean with a small piece of paper towel on the end of small screw driver This did the trick and the unit responded very nicely on applying and removing electrical power. I think the drum and the fingers and their tension on the drum are OK. The reversing unit ( do we call this an e-switch as in Lionel?) and engine works very well at low voltage. Although the engine looks clean, I'm sure it needs lubrication. In my original request for help, I made the comment that I did not hear any noise coming from the reversing unit on applying power to tender wheels. The hum in the unit is not that loud and with the cover on and back ground noise I might have missed the low volume hum. I was expect a much louder noise as the cylinder/plunger moved up and down and the drum rotated. Sorry if this poor observation on my part mislead anyone, I need to get a stethoscope. So thanks to all for the help and comments on, in walking me thru this repair. I hope this has been helpful to others on the list. Ted Walton -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35765	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: PikeMaster problem

After months of planning, my micro layout is under way. I'm using old American Flyer PikeMaster track to make a tiny 34x44" loop with two short sidings. I like to solder all rail joints on a layout before painting or ballasting to ensure good electrical contact. My previous experiance with small display layouts (N,HO,On30)is that they always work well until you are running them in public! Despite furious cleaning and using good flux, I can't get solder to stick to the rails! I've got plenty of heat as I've already melted some parts of the plastic ties! This track had rust on it in a few places, so I know it's not aluminum. Any suggestions for electrically bonding the rail together at the joints? Is this even necessary? How about those of you out there who use PikeMaster track on your layouts...what is your experiance? The trains run fine the way things are right now, so I'm tempted to just go ahead, paint the rails, and ballast the track down. Stumpy Stone...playing electrical engineer in hillbilly country.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35766	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2005
Subject: Re: Am. Flyer 290 Repair

A nother way to check for va dead short or to check for normal load is to wire in line of one of your test leads a 18-20 volt socket&bulb. You can then set your transformer at a higher voltage. If the bukb lights up brite, you have a short. If it just glows then you have a normal load.you can also tell by the briteness the amount of load. as an electrican we did this on older fuse panels where there were the screw in fuses. any watt bulb will do & react the same way. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35767	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Vehicles

Ted Larson wrote: >JADA now has their 57 Chev Panel truck in several cars other >than faded black. Saw 'em at KayBee. I've been finding the '57 Chevy panel truck fairly regularly at Target and Walmart over the past year or so. They do sell quickly, though. KB usually wants $1 more for them. Six different versions are posted on various pages of "Bert the Cop Presents" on Paul Yorke's S Scale.org site. The best candidate for doing a stock version of the '57 Panel was put out in the "Von Dutch" collection, a tampoed but unpainted panel truck with stock wheels and tires. Try the link below and click on the 3rd thumbnail in the 2nd row: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01?&page=41 The other 5 Chevy pts are on other pages in the same album. BTW, if you find a copy, check it's rear fenders closely. The earlier editions (like the dull black w/flames) carry skirted rear fenders. You may not want that if you're looking to make it a stock version. Later copies have open, stock rear fenders. These are screwed together (not crimped) so disassembling them is easy. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35768	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Painting Plastics

I have several unpainted AF freight car bodies collected over the years. I am finally getting around to painting them. What sort of paints can I use that won't damage the plastic? Car touch up paint has a wide range of colors. Do I need to put some sort of barrier on the plastic first? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35769	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Painting Plastics

I have never had a problem with Testor's spray cans. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Maria Harvey" <brigadie@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Painting Plastics > I have several unpainted AF freight car bodies collected over the > years. I am finally getting around to painting them. What sort of > paints can I use that won't damage the plastic? Car touch up paint has > a wide range of colors. Do I need to put some sort of barrier on the > plastic first? > > Thanks, > John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35770	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Michigan

To all Flyer friends, Nan and I Will be leaving for Michigan today. Be back in two weeks, Happy Trains.....Don Rodgers St. Pete. Fl. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35771	From: beebear	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Painting Plastics

John I just repainted several Flyer pieces and used the tester brand spray paints without any problems They look great john frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: John & Maria Harvey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Painting Plastics I have several unpainted AF freight car bodies collected over the years. I am finally getting around to painting them. What sort of paints can I use that won't damage the plastic? Car touch up paint has a wide range of colors. Do I need to put some sort of barrier on the plastic first? Thanks, John Harvey S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 7:44:46 AM ET - 5/29/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35772	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Alternative to Solder

In response to the question: "Despite furious cleaning and using good flux, I can't get solder to stick to the rails! I've got plenty of heat as I've already melted some parts of the plastic ties! This track had rust on it in a few places, so I know it's not aluminum. Any suggestions for electrically bonding the rail together at the joints? Is this even necessary?" Necessary? Depends on the gremlins at your particular show. You could try an electricially conductive epoxy applied to the cleaned joint on the outside of the rails at problem joints. It won't be as good as solder, but it will pprovide an alternative path for the electrons. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls ___________________________________________________________________ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35773	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Re: Painting Plastics

Is there a Testors or other paint in American Flyer Passenger Green (or Tuscan) that does not require a barrier coat? - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35774	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, May 29, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35775	From: beebear	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Looking for a junk Baldwin

Hello all I am in search for a non working Baldwin. Actually I am looking for the main drive - motor, wheels, gears and wheels. I don't care if the motor works or not. If you have one contact me off list at beebear@... with a price Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35776	From: beebear	Date: 5/29/2005
Subject: Looking for Decals

Hello All I'm looking for some "K" Line shipping container decals. Not K-Line as in the train builder but the shipping container I have purchased some container loads for my Husky Stack cars and just need to finish the containers up with decals to make them look good. I'll post pics when finished Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35777	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Looking for Decals

Dear John, Des Plaines Hobbies has the most extensive inventory of S Scale container decals. I would try them first. If you go to their website at: www.desplaineshobbies.com/s_decals.html ...and scroll down to the container decals, you will find three sets of K-Line container decals for 20' (CONT-12 & 13) and 40' K-Line (CONT-14). If you click on the container number you can see what the actual decals look like. The cost is $4 per set. I usually get an extra set or two just in case I make a mistake. I am not sure if they are open today, but the phone number is 847-297-2118. You can e-mail Ron at dphobbies@... This as well as the address is on the contact page of the website. Best regards, Don beebear wrote: >Hello All > >I'm looking for some "K" Line shipping container decals. Not K-Line as in the train builder but the shipping container >I have purchased some container loads for my Husky Stack cars and just need to finish the containers up with decals >to make them look good. I'll post pics when finished > >Thanks > >John Frankforther > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35778	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Painting Plastics

John, The touch-up paints WILL attack the plastic. Any barrier coat that would prevent that will be so thick that you will lose details, lots of them. Testors spray cans will work. Better yet, if you are going to repaint a number of cars, get an airbrush. Better to spend a little more than a little less, as a cheap airbrush will just cause you pain. I once found a badger internal mix at a yard sale for $15!!!! With the airbrush, you now can use any of the Floquil or Poly S paints made for model painting. Paint for model painting has finer ground solids (the color) than regular paint. Also, the solvents are engineered for plastics, whereas auto paint and off-the-shelf spray cans at the hardware store usually are not. Usually for great decalling, with no visible decal lines, one paint with gloss paint, applies the decals (using solva-set, or some other setting fluid) and then clear coats with a semi-gloss or flat clear. It can be lots of fun!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35779	From: Ironhorse	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: MODEL CONTEST

Most conventions (train or other catagories) are for members only. To get non-members interested include a train show for the public at the same time. You may get new members as a result. Where else will the public see so many "S" gauge vendors at the same time. Have an all scale train show for all scales at the same time as a NASG convention this will draw a big crowd. The advantage is, "S" will be putting on the best display in numbers. How many people show at a NASG convention ? Plus how many vendors and manufactures. If everyone is at a general train show at the same location on the same date then "S" will be in the majority (in attendance) to the extreme. Don't tell the other dealers it is a "S" convention. It might keep some of them away. Another advantage is; table rentals and ticket sales will raise a lot of money for NASG. Maybe I should do it. Anyone interested? Glenn Ritter wrote: >My hat is off to Thorin! >I have yet to see many non-members >even attend a convention let alone >bring a model. Perhaps the real issue >is how to get non-members to even attend, >enjoy and want to join. > >Glenn > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@...> >To: <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:07 PM >Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Model Contest > > > > >>There have been some interesting thoughts on this thread. If a contest is >> >> >held only for members, could an option be to have a separate category for >non-members only? So the members would have separate categories for steam, >diesel, etc. while the non-members would have a catch-all category. This >way, the non-member would get the satisfaction of being in a contest, but >also have the encouragement to become a member so their model(s) can appear >in the "correct" category. > > >>Mark Plank >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>>We have yet to see anyone in this group support your idea. >>>> >>>> >>>There actually is some reason to assume that convention registrations >>>include contest participation regardless of whether the participant >>> >>> >><snip> >> >> >>>Most convention PR that I've seen includes the model contest as one of >>>the convention activities, without any statement that membership is >>>required. If the contest is NASG sponsored and is held at the >>>convention, then yes, it should be for NASG members only. It would >>>also be fine with me if it were a convention contest open to convention >>>registrants. >>> >>> > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35780	From: keefer1	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Metal Gilbert Tank car

Anyone know about a diecast Gilbert tank car?The shell is idential to the standard 625,925 single dome. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35781	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: NASG conventions

This is what we tried with the 1988 NASG convention. On Saturday we had an "S" only Train Show that was also open to the public. I sent out press releases with photos of AF trains as well as children see trains pass on our modular layout. I went to several all scale train shows (York too) and handed flyers out to anyone that had more than 50% of S for sale on the table. We priced it less than the other shows around and made kids and spouses for free. We had over 400 paid admission that day and thought it was a rousing success. Like all NASG conventions, the model contest was only available to NASG members. We have a buck off the Convention registration if you brought a model. I dispensed with door prizes for the banquet, instead asking S mfgs. to sponsor one of the contest classes and give out these with the normal ribbons, etc. Although I am sure around 5 PM on Saturday the judges thought this might have not been a very good idea, we had over 100 models entered. If I remember correctly, Mike Berus won best in show for a beautiful PRR F-30. I think his prize was an OmniconMP 2-8-0 (or maybe the Erie 4-6-0). Don Ironhorse wrote: >Most conventions (train or other catagories) are for members only. >To get non-members interested include a train show for the public at the >same time. >You may get new members as a result. Where else will the public see so many >"S" gauge vendors at the same time. > Have an all scale train show for all scales at the same time as a >NASG convention > this will draw a big crowd. The advantage is, "S" will be putting >on the best display in numbers. >How many people show at a NASG convention ? Plus how many vendors and >manufactures. >If everyone is at a general train show at the same location on the same >date then >"S" will be in the majority (in attendance) to the extreme. > Don't tell the other dealers it is a "S" convention. It might keep >some of them away. >Another advantage is; table rentals and ticket sales will raise a lot >of money for NASG. > Maybe I should do it. Anyone interested? > > >Glenn Ritter wrote: > > > >>My hat is off to Thorin! >>I have yet to see many non-members >>even attend a convention let alone >>bring a model. Perhaps the real issue >>is how to get non-members to even attend, >>enjoy and want to join. >> >>Glenn >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@...> >>To: <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Model Contest >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>There have been some interesting thoughts on this thread. If a contest is >>> >>> >>> >>> >>held only for members, could an option be to have a separate category for >>non-members only? So the members would have separate categories for steam, >>diesel, etc. while the non-members would have a catch-all category. This >>way, the non-member would get the satisfaction of being in a contest, but >>also have the encouragement to become a member so their model(s) can appear >>in the "correct" category. >> >> >> >> >>>Mark Plank >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>We have yet to see anyone in this group support your idea. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>There actually is some reason to assume that convention registrations >>>>include contest participation regardless of whether the participant >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>>>Most convention PR that I've seen includes the model contest as one of >>>>the convention activities, without any statement that membership is >>>>required. If the contest is NASG sponsored and is held at the >>>>convention, then yes, it should be for NASG members only. It would >>>>also be fine with me if it were a convention contest open to convention >>>>registrants. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35782	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car

The catalog at http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1941Catalog/AF_1941_catalog_page38.htm shows a prewar 3/16 scale die cast tank car. I bought 2 sets of S gauge in 1946 that had the same tank car in plastic. Either you have an O gauge car converted to S or they had a few die cast bodies left over that they used for S after the war. Chuck Smith: On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Metal Gilbert Tank car > Anyone know about a diecast Gilbert tank car?The shell > is idential to the standard 625,925 single dome. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35783	From: hobo47203	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Rat Rod - Jade 1/64 vehicles

All, I just wanted to share a project I just completed of taking one of the 1957 Chevy Suburbans and making it more usable on my layout. I created a new folder with a picture. the folder is called Hobo Bob's Pictures. Bob M. Columbus, IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35784	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: MODEL CONTEST

I don't have the flexibility or time to do this, but I've wondered about Glenn's idea, too. Another paradigm to test the waters might be to piggyback on another event: booth at a state fair, for example. The National Assoc. of Watch and Clock Collectors also have a national museum. That might be a project for S-gaugers, but that would take someone with some time and passion for it, as well as living in a location that would provide the foot traffic needed to sustain it. Some of you may know of such a place. I'll join Glenn in running the idea up the flag pole, and wait and see if anyone salutes. Steve On May 30, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Ironhorse wrote: > Most conventions (train or other catagories) are for members only. > To get non-members interested include a train show for the public > at the > same time. > You may get new members as a result. Where else will the public > see so many > "S" gauge vendors at the same time. > Have an all scale train show for all scales at the same time as a > NASG convention > this will draw a big crowd. The advantage is, "S" will be putting > on the best display in numbers. > How many people show at a NASG convention ? Plus how many vendors > and > manufactures. > If everyone is at a general train show at the same location on the > same > date then > "S" will be in the majority (in attendance) to the extreme. > Don't tell the other dealers it is a "S" convention. It might > keep > some of them away. > Another advantage is; table rentals and ticket sales will raise a lot > of money for NASG. > Maybe I should do it. Anyone interested? > > > Glenn Ritter wrote: > > >> My hat is off to Thorin! >> I have yet to see many non-members >> even attend a convention let alone >> bring a model. Perhaps the real issue >> is how to get non-members to even attend, >> enjoy and want to join. >> >> Glenn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@...> >> To: <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Model Contest >> >> >> >> >> >>> There have been some interesting thoughts on this thread. If a >>> contest is >>> >>> >>> >> held only for members, could an option be to have a separate >> category for >> non-members only? So the members would have separate categories >> for steam, >> diesel, etc. while the non-members would have a catch-all >> category. This >> way, the non-member would get the satisfaction of being in a >> contest, but >> also have the encouragement to become a member so their model(s) >> can appear >> in the "correct" category. >> >> >> >>> Mark Plank >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>> >>>>> We have yet to see anyone in this group support your idea. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> There actually is some reason to assume that convention >>>> registrations >>>> include contest participation regardless of whether the participant >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Most convention PR that I've seen includes the model contest as >>>> one of >>>> the convention activities, without any statement that membership is >>>> required. If the contest is NASG sponsored and is held at the >>>> convention, then yes, it should be for NASG members only. It would >>>> also be fine with me if it were a convention contest open to >>>> convention >>>> registrants. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35785	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car

My guess would be a prewar 512, which was 3/16" scale, on "S" trucks. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35786	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: NASG conventions

There are three concerns with this idea, and you can't do much about any of them. 1) It's an unusual convention where a dealer hall doesn't have to be shut down, cleared, cleaned, and set-up for the Saturday evening banquet. Very few facilities have a large enough space to avoid this. 2) Most of the vendors have been there and set up since Wednesday night or Thursday morning. Adding Sunday to this is a lot to ask, and means that many of them will not be back home for their "real" work on Moday morning. 3) Some states have a tax issue with a public show.....ours is one of them. Closed, members-only dealer hall sales is one thing. An open, public show is a different situation, requiring all vendors to have a Mass, sales tax certificate, and to collect/pay state sales tax for that show. That was the main reason we droped the idea of having a public show on Sunday in 1998, and will not have one in 2008. <<<>To get non-members interested include a train show for the public at the >same time. >You may get new members as a result. Where else will the public see so many >"S" gauge vendors at the same time. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson [mailto:don@...] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:25 PM To: Ironhorse Cc: Glenn Ritter; S-TRAINS; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nasgmembers] Re: NASG conventions This is what we tried with the 1988 NASG convention. On Saturday we had an "S" only Train Show that was also open to the public. I sent out press releases with photos of AF trains as well as children see trains pass on our modular layout. I went to several all scale train shows (York too) and handed flyers out to anyone that had more than 50% of S for sale on the table. We priced it less than the other shows around and made kids and spouses for free. We had over 400 paid admission that day and thought it was a rousing success. Like all NASG conventions, the model contest was only available to NASG members. We have a buck off the Convention registration if you brought a model. I dispensed with door prizes for the banquet, instead asking S mfgs. to sponsor one of the contest classes and give out these with the normal ribbons, etc. Although I am sure around 5 PM on Saturday the judges thought this might have not been a very good idea, we had over 100 models entered. If I remember correctly, Mike Berus won best in show for a beautiful PRR F-30. I think his prize was an OmniconMP 2-8-0 (or maybe the Erie 4-6-0). Don Ironhorse wrote: >Most conventions (train or other catagories) are for members only. >To get non-members interested include a train show for the public at the >same time. >You may get new members as a result. Where else will the public see so many >"S" gauge vendors at the same time. > Have an all scale train show for all scales at the same time as a >NASG convention > this will draw a big crowd. The advantage is, "S" will be putting >on the best display in numbers. >How many people show at a NASG convention ? Plus how many vendors and >manufactures. >If everyone is at a general train show at the same location on the same >date then >"S" will be in the majority (in attendance) to the extreme. > Don't tell the other dealers it is a "S" convention. It might keep >some of them away. >Another advantage is; table rentals and ticket sales will raise a lot >of money for NASG. > Maybe I should do it. Anyone interested? > > >Glenn Ritter wrote: > > > >>My hat is off to Thorin! >>I have yet to see many non-members >>even attend a convention let alone >>bring a model. Perhaps the real issue >>is how to get non-members to even attend, >>enjoy and want to join. >> >>Glenn >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@...> >>To: <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:07 PM >>Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Model Contest >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>There have been some interesting thoughts on this thread. If a contest is >>> >>> >>> >>> >>held only for members, could an option be to have a separate category for >>non-members only? So the members would have separate categories for steam, >>diesel, etc. while the non-members would have a catch-all category. This >>way, the non-member would get the satisfaction of being in a contest, but >>also have the encouragement to become a member so their model(s) can appear >>in the "correct" category. >> >> >> >> >>>Mark Plank >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>We have yet to see anyone in this group support your idea. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>There actually is some reason to assume that convention registrations >>>>include contest participation regardless of whether the participant >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>>>Most convention PR that I've seen includes the model contest as one of >>>>the convention activities, without any statement that membership is >>>>required. If the contest is NASG sponsored and is held at the >>>>convention, then yes, it should be for NASG members only. It would >>>>also be fine with me if it were a convention contest open to convention >>>>registrants. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _____ Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 35787	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Re: NASG conventions

I recall that at Steamtown the public was invited to an open train show on Friday. There was a control problem as many layouts were in public areas and many public did not pay. The NASG is not strong enough to have a National Train Show on the weekend mainly because our conventions are not always in major cities where there is a big public draw. Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35788	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car

Didn't Gilbert sell "S" trucks just to convert the pre war cars? There's a good chance a Gilbert service station would have been willing to mount the trucks for you. jfred RAHosmer@... wrote: My guess would be a prewar 512, which was 3/16" scale, on "S" trucks. Dick Hosmer --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35789	From: bruce weidner	Date: 5/30/2005
Subject: Re: Rat Rod - Jade 1/64 vehicles

Hello from Columbus Ohio. I have a couple of road rats, a cadalaic and a sedan of some sort(49 year). I found 4 suitable tonka from the 40's and 50's era cars but was only able to get 3 of them. One is a t-bird, a chrysler I think(did not get this one)and two pickup trucks all but one of the cars was a detailed model the one truck is a 1/64 sized replica of a 50's era tonka truck but still looks good. So far all together I have 2 dozen 50's cars in 1:64 mostly Racing champs. --- hobo47203 <rcj@...> wrote: > All, > I just wanted to share a project I just completed > of > taking one of the 1957 Chevy Suburbans and making it > more > usable on my layout. I created a new folder with a > picture. > the folder is called Hobo Bob's Pictures. > > Bob M. > Columbus, IN > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35790	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2683

Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> Subject: Metal Gilbert Tank car Anyone know about a diecast Gilbert tank car?The shell is idential to the standard 625,925 single dome. This is a prewar "O" car, probably "1938 - 41"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35791	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank car

I would not be surprised if they did. AFAIK the only diecast rolling stock item which carried over directly, and only briefly, was the 508 hopper, which is identical to the early 632s, except for color (the 632 is darker gray), the trucks, and "VIRGINIAN" is a decal on the 508, but rubber-stamped on the 632. I only collect the prewar 3/16" stuff, but I know that many of the castings were only slightly modified when ACG was able to make trains again, after the war. I wonder how long the "transition" trains would have been marketed? I ASSUME they would have changed the track sooner, if the war had not intervened. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35792	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank Car

Actually, this car was available in kit form. The bottom left corner of this 1941 catalog page, has a photo of the kit! http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1941Catalog/ AF_1941_catalog_page7.htm Chuck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35793	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Metal Gilbert Tank Car Kit Question

I recognize most of the parts shown for the various kits, but what's in the can that's shown with each kit?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35794	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank Car Kit Question

I do not own one of the kits, but my guess would be the truck screws, and the decals, for starters. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35795	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Re: Metal Gilbert Tank Car Kit Question

sCREWS AND SMALL PARTS..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Metal Gilbert Tank Car Kit Question >I recognize most of the parts shown for the various kits, but what's in > the can that's shown with each kit? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35796	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Speaking of Porter's......

....here's a little Porter I found while out of town over the weekend. http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albup99 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35797	From: John Foley	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Train Shows

Hi Folks S Manufacturers, Dealers, Clubs or individuals The WGH Train Shows are now posted at http://www.wghshow.com/ These are excellent shows to promote S Gauge. I did one of their shows in NJ and it was fun & well done. Clubs I can help with literature and maybe some expenses. Reply back to me if interested with your phone # and I would be happy to call back and discuss it. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35798	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2005
Subject: Great Mid-western Train Show

Hi All, I will be setting up my parts and trains at the Dupage Fairgrounds in Wheaton, Illinois this coming Sunday. I am also attending the ATHS (American Truck Historical Society) national show in Auburn, Illinois from Wednesday thru Saturday (leaving Pa.tonite). Two great shows, well worth attending. If you are into trucks, the ATHS shows are something to see, as they keep growing in interest and attendance. Last year's national at the California Speedway just totally blew me away. If you happen to attend either of these events this week, please look me up. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35799	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Painting Plastics (again, clarification)

Hi All, Keith and I have been posting each other, and it may well be that Floquil's barrier coat will work with the automotive paint. Floquil's barrier coat does not have the high built that over-the-counter ones do. So, there may be hope yet! I would practice on someting like a broken body first. S' David D. PS Paint finishes are changing so much, that it is hard to keep up with the stuff. What's on your car today, ain't your father's paint!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35800	From: beebear	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Someone asked about this

John, I apologize for the delay in responding to your question. Our Webmaster only just forwarded your email to me today! Great question regarding our product being used on train tracks! FLITZ is a family run business, and one of the brothers is a train enthusiast. He can vouch first hand that our paste metal polish (which does leave a protective coating) does not in any way inhibit the electrical connection. In fact, our local hobby shop sells FLITZ metal polish to its customers. If you have any other questions please feel free to call or email. Thank you, Nancy Suhr FLITZ INTERNATIONAL, LTD. Phone: 800-558-8611 Ext. 12 Fax: (262) 534-2991 Email: nancy@... website: www.flitz.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: techsupport@... Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 8:12 AM Subject: application When you apply Flitz to metal does it leave a coating behind? The reason I am asking is I have a large box of steel model train track that is tarnished and rusted. I was wondering if cleaning the track with Fritz would inhibit the electrical contact from the track to the trains? Thank you for any information John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35801	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Lionel docksider

Has anyone any info on the release of the new docksider from Lionel??? Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35802	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and S Helper LOCOMATIC Control

Just asking if any out there can share experiences with running TMCC and Locomatic Sound and Control system from SHelper. Positive and Negative sides appreciated. Both great systems, having trouble running together. Thanks for the reply. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35803	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC and S Helper LOCOMATIC Control

In a message dated 06/01/2005 10:37:01 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mtoytrain@... writes: Just asking if any out there can share experiences with running TMCC and Locomatic Sound and Control system from SHelper. Positive and Negative sides appreciated. Both great systems, having trouble running together. Thanks for the reply. Jerry Matsick Jerry, The "Locomatic" should be invisible to your TMCC and visa versa if both connected properly. I have no problem whatsoever of running both. There is a wiring diagram of my setup listed on this site. I can provide you a copy off of the list if you need it. Regards, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35804	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip

The S-Trains website provides the schematic for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm Have any of you actually built one that works on a real layout with Gilbert and Flyonel engines? I'm having trouble making mine work and would love to get the exact manufacturer and part number of each component of one that works. If I can't, I'll be in the market to buy a lot of trips. Thanks! Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35805	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel docksider

The Lionel on-line shipping schedule says August 05 (which means the end of August). Bob Bubeck In a message dated 6/1/2005 12:37:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amflyral@... writes: Has anyone any info on the release of the new docksider from Lionel??? Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35806	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re:

Question Anyone have thoughts and methods of running AM PA shells on ACG power chassis. My first thought is to glue some wood or plastic ridge stills on to hold the chassis on at the right height Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35807	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip

--- Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > The S-Trains website provides the schematic for Tom Barker's > do-it-yourself track trip: > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm > > Have any of you actually built one that works on a real layout with > Gilbert and Flyonel engines? I'm having trouble making mine work and > would love to get the exact manufacturer and part number of each > component of one that works. I tried but it was unreliable. The reed switch tended to stick. You can always try asking Tom Barker himself: http://www.rit.edu/~tbbeqa/GAF.html __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35808	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip

I bought a LED or Diode track trip from a guy on E-Bay but haven't used it yet. If anyone is interested I'll give you the info. E-Mail me If I get a lot of E-mail I'll post his name. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35809	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: Re: Pikemaster problem

Stumpy? Did anyone answer your question? Although Pikemaster rails are indeed made of steel, the steel is coated with tin as a rust inhibitor. (Hence the name 'tinplate'. 'Tin cans' are so named for the same reason.) In the post-WWII era the locomotives and cars went to plastic but the rail remained tinplate. Even Pikemaster is true tinplate. Where the tin has been removed, the rail rusts. I use a Dremel with a wire brush and burnish the area to be soldered. This cuts through the tin and allows me to solder to the steel. After a couple of years, the areas that I burnished (but did not re-seal with solder) receive a nice patina of rust. You could paint your rails after soldering to seal the 'wound'. I let it rust as then it is easier to make repairs. Thorin Marty... who hasn't done anything in S Scale in months other than try to enter a contest. ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:13:26 -0000 From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Subject: PikeMaster problem After months of planning, my micro layout is under way. I'm using old American Flyer PikeMaster track to make a tiny 34x44" loop with two short sidings. I like to solder all rail joints on a layout before painting or ballasting to ensure good electrical contact. My previous experience with small display layouts (N, HO, On30) is that they always work well until you are running them in public! Despite furious cleaning and using good flux, I can't get solder to stick to the rails! I've got plenty of heat as I've already melted some parts of the plastic ties! This track had rust on it in a few places, so I know it's not aluminum. Any suggestions for electrically bonding the rail together at the joints? Is this even necessary? How about those of you out there who use PikeMaster track on your layouts...what is your experience? The trains run fine the way things are right now, so I'm tempted to just go ahead, paint the rails, and ballast the track down. Stumpy Stone...playing electrical engineer in hillbilly country. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35810	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2005
Subject: layout

Offering a magnificent S gauge layout to anyone (especially Florida folks). A little bit about it. It's approx 20' long and varies from 81/2' to 11' wide. Absolutely everything on it was hand crafted by a retired artist 15 years ago. I've owned it for 10 years.All track is brass rail, hand layed and curved. Backdrops hand painted with unique 3D scenery in front of it.Hundreds of farm animals,dozens of buildings, a working turntable, two huge mountains (removable), trestles, bridges, lights.Comes with at least 15 boxes of extra scenery items. I would be glad to discuss this on the phone or in person or via email. Yes I can take photos and mail them to you. Even they do it no justice.I've sold all my "S" gauge and need this to go. It will take careful planning to move it but it was and can be done. It would be a shame to literally break this up, but we need the space. Asking $500.00. Believe me you could never duplicate this for that amount. Thanks. Ed Bittman St. Petersburg, Fla 727-327-3115 eves. Anyone nearby can come see it by appointment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35811	From: fiantoni	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Southern Calif train stores - status

I went out with my son this past weekend to look at both the Train Stop and the Classic Trains store. Please note that Classic Trains has closed their store and is only selling on line at this point. The Train Stop has a small collection of Flyer equipment and some new equipment as well, prices are not cheap but not out of hand either. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Roche" <srochepe@h...> wrote: > The train stop in San Dimas is huge and has a fair amount of Flyer, however, it is a bit pricy. One place I went to a few years back was Classic Trains in Rowland Heights. Hard store to find but it was floor to ceiling flyer. I bought a 322 there for $75 (albeit it did require some TLC). Steve ROche > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35812	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Question: parts for Tom Barker's do-it-yourself track trip

Thanks! I didn't know of his website. I have submitted my question to him. Bob Scott Holm <imsscott@...> wrote: --- Robert Graves wrote: > The S-Trains website provides the schematic for Tom Barker's > do-it-yourself track trip: > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm > > Have any of you actually built one that works on a real layout with > Gilbert and Flyonel engines? I'm having trouble making mine work and > would love to get the exact manufacturer and part number of each > component of one that works. I tried but it was unreliable. The reed switch tended to stick. You can always try asking Tom Barker himself: http://www.rit.edu/~tbbeqa/GAF.html __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35813	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Tin or Zinc (was Pikemaster problem)

Dear Don: It might be zinc but my experience with zinc shows a 'crazing' of the surface when applied to steel yet tin is smooth. My guess is still tin. Anyone else have an opinion? The fact remains that you have to get the coating out of the way before you can solder to the steel. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Donald Thompson [mailto:don@...] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:59 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pikemaster problem Dear Thorin, Are you sure the coating is not galvinized (zinc plated) instead of tin? Tin was quite expensive in the 60's. Don Marty.Thorin wrote: >Stumpy? > Did anyone answer your question? > >Although Pikemaster rails are indeed made of steel, the steel is coated >with tin as a rust inhibitor. (Hence the name 'tinplate'. 'Tin cans' >are so named for the same reason.) In the post-WWII era the >locomotives and cars went to plastic but the rail remained tinplate. >Even Pikemaster is true tinplate. Where the tin has been removed, the >rail rusts. > I use a Dremel with a wire brush and burnish the area to be soldered. >This cuts through the tin and allows me to solder to the steel. After >a couple of years, the areas that I burnished (but did not re-seal with >solder) receive a nice patina of rust. > You could paint your rails after soldering to seal the 'wound'. >I let it rust as then it is easier to make repairs. > >Thorin Marty... who hasn't done anything in S Scale in months other >than try to enter a contest. > >_______________________________________________________________________ >_ > >Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:13:26 -0000 > From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> >Subject: PikeMaster problem > >After months of planning, my micro layout is under way. I'm using old >American Flyer PikeMaster track to make a tiny 34x44" loop with two >short sidings. > I like to solder all rail joints on a layout before painting or >ballasting to ensure good electrical contact. My previous experience >with small display layouts (N, HO, On30) is that they always work well >until you are running them in public! Despite furious cleaning and >using good flux, I can't get solder to stick to the rails! I've got >plenty of heat as I've already melted some parts of the plastic ties! >This track had rust on it in a few places, so I know it's not aluminum. > Any suggestions for electrically bonding the rail together at the >joints? Is this even necessary? How about those of you out there who >use PikeMaster track on your layouts...what is your experience? > The trains run fine the way things are right now, so I'm tempted to >just go ahead, paint the rails, and ballast the track down. > Stumpy Stone...playing electrical engineer in hillbilly country. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35814	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Plastic Friendly Paints to Match AF Passenger Green and Dark Red ?

Is anyone aware of a plastic friendly paint that will result in color and texture matches with the American Flyer heavyweight cars Green and Dark Red, sometimes referred to as Tuscan? - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35815	From: Mark Credell	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: New Member

Just wanted to say Hi to everyone.I can't wait to start learning about S Scale.I have been involved in N and H.O. but S is the perfect scale for my wife and I we model a few different railroads but mainly the WP.Hope you have many sightings of your favorite road each day.Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35816	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re:

Interesting question! Where does one get the AM shells? Can one get rolling stock shells as well as PA shells? That's a wonderful thing to do with damaged equipment. Bob - chugging along upstairs THOMAS E HILLERY <G-WOLFGANG5@...> wrote: Question Anyone have thoughts and methods of running AM PA shells on ACG power chassis. My first thought is to glue some wood or plastic ridge stills on to hold the chassis on at the right height Tom Hillery S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35817	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 6/2/2005
Subject: Re: Plastic Friendly Paints to Match AF Passenger Green and Dark Re

I also would be interested in such paints plus a flat black to cover my clear plastic sleeper roofs coming out of AMs to go with my NASG passenger cars. Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35818	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Rail Joint Soldering

The question was "can't get solder to stick to the rails! I've got plenty of heat as I've already melted some parts of the plastic ties! This track had rust on it in a few places, so I know it's not aluminum. Any suggestions for electrically bonding the rail together at the joints?" Look up the June 2005 issue of Model Railroader. Mirco-Mark has an ad for a copper plating solution that you just rub on (much like a hi-lighter pen) the clean metal part and the copper then takes the solder. Clean is the password. The copper must stick to the rail with tenacity. Paint over the copper/solder to your hearts content. Alan Udy, RMHRS, Idaho Falls ___________________________________________________________________ Get Juno Platinum for as low as $4.97/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/half to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35819	From: Ross Roberts	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Invitation

If you are attending the 2005 TCA Convention (June 18 - 26) in Seattle this year, I would like to invite you to visit my S gauge layout. I made my layout available to the 2005 TCA Convention. They have placed my layout on a list of Self Directed Tour Activities. You can see my layout at www.geocities.com/ross_af/index.html Click on Toy Trains American Flyer S-Gauge 1:64 My layout was part of the NMRA PSX 2004 layout tour and NASG's Regional Meet layout tour in 2004. I can provide you with a listing all of the relevant information via email and/or a Word document attachment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35820	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: New Webring Members

Join me in welcoming Clever Models website http://www.clevermodels.com/ Portlines Hobby Supplies http://www.portlines.com/ Putt Trains http://www.putttrains.com The Upstairs Train http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/ to the S-Trains webring. We now have about 23 sites. What is a webring? It is a group of related websites that are connected by direct links. It enables visitors to quickly navigate through a group of related sites. It also makes it easy to find a site or return to a site. See http://s-scale.org/ring.php for the complete list. Paul Yorke - http://PaulYorke.com Website Development 772.285.4817(cell) - 772.597.3788 (office) Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35821	From: Bruce	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Shipping Schedule

OK, I checked the schedule and I didn't see anything about the Santa Fe Alco B unit and the 2-pack of SF passenger cars. Were they canceled? Were they delivered and my supplier didn't send them to me? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > The Lionel on-line shipping schedule says August 05 (which means the end of > August). > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 6/1/2005 12:37:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > amflyral@t... writes: > Has anyone any info on the release of the new docksider from Lionel??? Thanks > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35822	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The new list is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35823	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 5, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35824	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2686

In a message dated 6/3/2005 6:11:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Credell <markcredell@...> Subject: New Member Welcome to the motley group, Mark, and your wife, too. Not only will you find valuable tips and information, but links to other websites, personally run by some of the astute members of this group that will open a whole new window to S that you might never have enjoyed had you not joined this group. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35825	From: John Foley	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Brick Sheets in S

Hi Folks Model Builders Supply Line new has sheets of S scale Bricks, tile, block corrugated, welded and standing seam sheets. Check it out at http://www.the-n-arch.com/Model%20Builders.htm John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35826	From: Carl Wesley	Date: 6/3/2005
Subject: Drilling American Models Track

What number drill bit would I use to drill holes in American Models track ties so I can use HO track nails to mount the track?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35827	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2686

Is anyone aware of a plastic friendly paint that will result in color and texture matches with the American Flyer heavyweight cars Green and Dark Red, sometimes referred to as Tuscan? - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I have found that " Humbrol " Enamel # 20 is a match for the dark red heavy weight cars. Also I have just built a unit to re magnetize the small magnets on open frame motors used primarily in HO trains. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35828	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: Re:

AM does not sell shells. --- Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > Interesting question! Where does one get the AM shells? Can one get > rolling stock shells as well as PA shells? That's a wonderful thing > to do with damaged equipment. > > Bob - chugging along upstairs > > > > THOMAS E HILLERY <G-WOLFGANG5@...> wrote: > Question > Anyone have thoughts and methods of running AM PA shells on ACG > power chassis. My first thought is to glue some wood or plastic ridge > stills on to hold the chassis on at the right height > Tom Hillery > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35829	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: Raleigh GATS Show

The first day of the 2-day Great American Train Show was held today in Raleigh, NC. The Carolinas S Gaugers had a huge presence assisted by the Tidewater ACSGers. We ran a 50 by 30 layout with 6-track passthrough yard in the middle. Best of all, there were 84 buttons for children of all ages to push with accessories of all types plus Tidewater's Thomas cab, and the layout was surrounded by people all day long. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35830	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/4/2005
Subject: 375 T&P Wiring

Could someone please tell me how the speaker, capacitor, and resistor are wired in the American Flyer #375 T&P GP-7 diesel locomotive. Are they wired in parallel with the speaker? How is the speaker wired to the loco? What are the ratings for the capacitor and resistor? TIA, Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35831	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re:

on 6/4/05 1:54 PM, Scott Holm at imsscott@... wrote: > AM does not sell shells. About 3 years ago American Models changed their policy on selling just shells at least for the Alco PA/PB and Baldwin S12 although the price was not cheap. $50 per shell, if I recall correctly. I was able to purchase 3 PA, 1 PB, and 1 S12 shells. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35832	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re:

Do they only sell undecorated shells? --- Lee Johnson <leemax@...> wrote: > on 6/4/05 1:54 PM, Scott Holm at imsscott@... wrote: > > > AM does not sell shells. > > About 3 years ago American Models changed their policy on selling > just > shells at least for the Alco PA/PB and Baldwin S12 although the price > was > not cheap. $50 per shell, if I recall correctly. I was able to > purchase 3 > PA, 1 PB, and 1 S12 shells. > > Lee Johnson > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35833	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: They do too...

Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Re: AM does not sell shells. --- Robert Graves ============== All -- AM does too. Undec diesel shells are $50 each. Undec 70' passenger-car shells (without roof, I think) are $20. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35834	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: June AF list

Hi, Everyone. My big June AF list was emailed Saturday to everybody on my mailing list. It will arrive as an eleven page Word attachment. Email me if you did not receive a copy and would be interested in one. Happy train hunting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35835	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2688

Joe Haenn Wrote: Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: 375 T&P Wiring Could someone please tell me how the speaker, capacitor, and resistor are wired in the American Flyer #375 T&P GP-7 diesel locomotive. Are they wired in parallel with the speaker? How is the speaker wired to the loco? What are the ratings for the capacitor and resistor? TIA, Joe Joe: The filter capacitor, 25 MFD 50 working volts is in parallel with a 68 ohm resistor. To gather they are wired in series with the speaker, Polarity is not important in an AC circuit. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35836	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: S scale buildings

Well, y'all...I took the leap and got into resin casting. I've just about completed the Putt Trains Diesel Add-On kits and started a new project. I'm working on some S scale building kits. These are small structures that are designed to be easy to build and inexpensive. I got enough parts cast so far to build four buildings of the nine that are planned. Other projects are also in the works. Take a look at the STUMPY's album in the Photos section, and let me know what you think. Stumpy Stone...dabbling with plastic in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35837	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: AF 625 tank car

Greetings All.......just curious if anyone else has an orange Shell tank car that has orange paint on an orange plastic shell. I believe the one I have is. It has a small scratch on the top of the tank revealing orange plastic. I believe this is not one of the listed variatons, according to Greenberg. Any help appreciated. Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35838	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 5, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35839	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Re: AF 625 tank car

Al, Yes, I own a painted orange Shell 625. The orange paint should be over orange plastic. This variation, by the way, is listed in the TM Guide -- the guide most knowledgeable collectors prefer. <wink> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 6/5/2005 6:45:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mkielek@... writes: Greetings All.......just curious if anyone else has an orange Shell tank car that has orange paint on an orange plastic shell. I believe the one I have is. It has a small scratch on the top of the tank revealing orange plastic. I believe this is not one of the listed variatons, according to Greenberg. Any help appreciated. Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35840	From: bkweidner	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: 1/64th cars and trucks pics

anyone wondering what the tonka cars I described on s-trains mailing list look like I just made an album called 1 64th vehicales. tonka #'s 23 19 18 17 and 16 from collection #5 cicra 2004? are all good canidates to add to your vehicale fleet. #23 has no interior and would be a good projet to put a driver in ;^)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35841	From: bkweidner	Date: 6/5/2005
Subject: Casting and molding parts etc

who all has cast train related stuff? Stumpy you can do a lot with what cast for the buildings a lot of potentail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35842	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: PRR T &HS and Howie Waelder

Hi All, The newest issue of the Keystone, the magazine of the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical & Historical Society will have a mention of Howie Waelder's passing in it. It will be mailed in the next week or so. I collaborated with a few people and sent the write up to my friend Chuck Blardone who is the editor. There may be a photo of Howie and me with it too. I am asking everyone who knew and loved Howie as most of us did, to join the PRR T&HS at least for 1 year in honor of Howie. He went to many of the conventions with us and openly supported the society with his donations. Like most train and railroad related organizations, our membership is not growing like it used to. We could use a little help here. What you WILL get for your membership is 4 issues of the BEST first class railroad historical society publication printed on TIME for at least the past 20 years. You will get the 2 issues from this year quickly. However at some time in the future, you will get the part of Howie that we all loved most - some of his stories. In writing his "Last Markers" I collected some of Howie's stories from many of you getting this email. Vic Roseman made some wonderful cartoon drawings to go with the stories. Chuck said that Howie's stories will be printed with Vic's drawings in tribute to Howie. Here is the link to the application from: http://www.prrths.com/PRR_Apply_app.html Here is the Society mailing address for new members: Andy Hart PRRT&HS PO Box 54 Bryn Mawr, PA 19010-0054 Here is the E-Store link for joining: http://club-e-stores.com/store/prrths_2005newmembership.html Don Thompson, please forward this to whoever may want this email and did not receive it. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The freight versions are currently in production ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com -----Original Message----- From: Donald Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 1970 3:08 PM To: Jeff Freeman; Tyler Froatz; John W Hall; Larry Welle; Stan Stocrocki; Wayne Pier (home); Steve Kalista (work); Mike Anderson; Tate, Herbert; Mike Ferraro; Vic Roseman; Bill Moitz; Rob Rutler; Bill Lane; Carmen Cerasoli (work); John Cardenosa; John Durstewitz; John Prior; Kent Singer; Steve Kalista; Steve Kay; Ted Maciag; Walt Danylak; William S. Monaghan; John & Kathleen Flaherty; Jerry Viemeister; Jeff Wilson; Bob Greengrove; Jay Soberman; Richard Bendever; Jeff Sanjus; Rich Forst; Wally Collins; don@... Subject: Re: May Meeting A real treat for this month will be our first meeting at Wally Collin's. He has a modest S scale layout in167 Country Club Dr., Oradell, NJ 07649. We are planning this on Saturday at 1 PM. Please RSVP if you are planning on attending. I know only a few will be able to view Wally's layout at a time. The phone number in the NASG directory is 201-262-0100, I am not sure if Wally's area code changed. Hoping to see you there. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35843	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: Thanks

What a great list! Thanks for the quick responses to my question regarding my question about the wiring diagram for the resistor and capacitor for the AF 375 T&P GP-7. I received 4 responses and got all of the information I needed. Thanks again, Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35844	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/6/2005
Subject: Off-Topic Malware Alert

Hello All, I've was missing from the Sunday night chat last night because my home computer is hopefully only temporarily out of service. Yesterday I found a malware application running on it called SideFind. I'm running WIN98, so I opened Add/Remove Programs from the Control Panel and uninstalled SideFind. The computer promptly locked up. Upon rebooting the Windows 98 Set-Up screen appeared. SideFind is a nasty little bugger - if you uninstall it, it wipes out your operating system. I'm going to remove the hard drive and install it in another computer as a slave and see if I can retrieve some data files (train related photos, IE favorites, Outlook addresses, etc) before I re-install the operating system and probably lose all my data. So my word to the wise is be careful removing malware, spyware, etc. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35845	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: S-Helper Service B&M DCC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00

I just put my brand new never opened S-Helper Service B&M DCC Sound F- 7s up on ebay. Brand spanking new, never run, in the box (never even removed) S- Helper Service Boston & Maine #2 DCC Sound F-7 A & B units. Stock #00933. I paid $479 + shipping for this beauty. This set has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. I only removed the plastic to take the pictures. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. ebay item # 5980381023. --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35846	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Franklin Passenger Car Silhouettes

I recall someone asking a few weeks ago about the Franklin passenger car silhouettes that were being sold on eBay. Has anyone received a set of these and how do they look? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35847	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Off-Topic Malware Alert - Update

Hello All, Thanks to advice from several S-Trains members and some other computer experts I know, the SideFind problem has been resolved. It ends up SideFind only appears to remove the operating system (in my case Win98). SideFind places a "fake" Win Setup Screen in an attempt to obtain the registration number for your WIN98 CD. The registration numbers are readily available on the Net so this seems to serve no purpose other than to create heartburn for the infected user (me in this case - lol). To resolve the problem you reboot and hit F8 to enter Command Prompt Only (basically DOS). From the command prompt you restore a previous Registry backup. This eliminates the SideFind issue. All you have to do is check any hardware or software that you may have added since the date of the Registry backup. Thanks to my S-Trains friends for helping my out!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35848	From: Chris Burger	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Passenger Car Silhouettes

Hi Bull, I have a set in my Franklin and they really add to it. They are much nicer than the originals! When you order you need to buy to sets at 10.00. It is 5.00 dollars per car. Chris Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:I recall someone asking a few weeks ago about the Franklin passenger car silhouettes that were being sold on eBay. Has anyone received a set of these and how do they look? Thanks, BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35849	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/7/2005
Subject: Re: Franklin Passenger Car Silhouettes

Could you post some pictures? And where did you get them? Does Doug carry them? Thanks. Bob Chris Burger <cbtrainnut@...> wrote: Hi Bull, I have a set in my Franklin and they really add to it. They are much nicer than the originals! When you order you need to buy to sets at 10.00. It is 5.00 dollars per car. Chris Bull_Gator_1 wrote:I recall someone asking a few weeks ago about the Franklin passenger car silhouettes that were being sold on eBay. Has anyone received a set of these and how do they look? Thanks, BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35850	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2005
Subject: tip De'Jour Tuesday Mornings

Hi alls Received in the mail a sales flyer from Tuesday Mornings about their next sale starting Saturday 6/11 at 8 AM. CORGIE They show a bunch of Corgi items and state that they will have available their largest selection of Corgie EVER Set your alarm clocks and watch out for the shopping carts, its a battle in those stores early in the morning on a sale starting day. FrankieD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35851	From: EagleTrains	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: Model Railroading May Be Hazardous to Your Health???

My wife sent me this link from a web site called "The Onion." I wonder if she was trying to tell me something. http://www.theonion.com/lifestyles/news.php?issue=4123&n=1 Skip Kendel with an S-gauge habit completely under control . . . honest.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35852	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: Re;Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?

This guy's wife would leave if he didn't get his train habit under control? Would she rather he spend his time and money at a bar? The local "House of Ill Repute?" On drugs? Gambling? My wife loves the idea that if I'm late getting home, it's because I'm hanging out at the hobby shop! She and her mother used to have go drag my late father-in-law out of the local Eagles club fairly regularly. She likes trains and auto racing too, even though her exposure to these things was scetchy before we were married. Maybe I'm just luckier than some guys. No more trains? Honey, you're history! Stumpy Stone...running loose in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35853	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: S Helper Service Open House This Friday and Saturday

Just a reminder: The S helper Service Open House is this weekend! The Open House is Friday and Saturday, at the SHS warehouse. Friday it runs from 11 AM - 5 PM. Snacks and lunch will be served. No earlybirds please, as we will be setting up. Saturday it runs from 9 AM - 5 PM. A light breakfast, snacks, and lunch will be served Saturday. We will provide rides for those needing a lift from the Matawan train station. We are on the North Jersey Coast Line. 77 Cliffwood Avenue, 7C Cliffwood, NJ 07721 1-800-465-0303 http://www.showcaseline.com/indexShows.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35854	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: the layout con't

My magnificent S gauge layout is still up for grabs. I've had many interested inquiries and want to give everyone a chance on it.It's still priced at $500.00. I had a building contractor here earlier to give me an estimate on extensive remodeling to that room, and he couldn't get over the detail in it. But the bottom line is he cannot start with it there. If there are any S gauge clubs reading this, this is a golden opportunity to own a finished layout for everyone to enjoy and not take months and months to build. Yes it would involve coming to Fla (vacation maybe?) and some time to take it apart but it would break down and fit into a medium U-Haul truck, including all the removable scenery. I can snail mail photos but take my word they do not do it justice. You are welcome to email me for details or phone 727-327-3115 eves. Thank you.Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35855	From: northern83113	Date: 6/9/2005
Subject: michael t kolosseus

hi all:i am fairly new to the club. but i would like to say that i bought items from mike and was very happy.the e-mails were great,nice packing,fast service.just letting people know had a good experience.have a nice day all.jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35856	From: stepdad56	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?

I was of this same mindset, and lost everything. I surmised that she would be thrilled that I was not out doing drugs, drinking, or cheating. It was a good thing that those things were not happening, but she didn't see it that way. One needs to see it from the womans perspective. Bottom line, to her, she wants you to spend the time with her, not trains, not train buddies, not layouts etc. If one is fortunate enough to have a significant other who participates in the same interests as you, then this is not a big problem as you will be with her as she will be with you working on the layout, going to shows, etc. Beware of this trap as its easy to fall into and become complacent. Next thing you know, your in divorce court. Always allow equal time or more to be spent with your spouse than you spend on your hobbies. Golden rule = Spouse first, trains and hobbies second. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > This guy's wife would leave if he didn't get his train habit under > control? Would she rather he spend his time and money at a bar? The > local "House of Ill Repute?" On drugs? Gambling? > My wife loves the idea that if I'm late getting home, it's because > I'm hanging out at the hobby shop! She and her mother used to have go > drag my late father-in-law out of the local Eagles club fairly > regularly. She likes trains and auto racing too, even though her > exposure to these things was scetchy before we were married. > Maybe I'm just luckier than some guys. No more trains? Honey, > you're history! > Stumpy Stone...running loose in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35857	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re;Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?

Before you get too upset about this family note that the article was in 2001 so their pain is long gone. Also all references are to Lionel, "O" gauge and 1:48. The picture is a "G" gauge Shay on 2 rail track in a garden not a basement. I question how accurate the "Onion" news is. Remember the old bumpersticker: "She said if I get another Train she will leave me. I will miss her". GARTRAIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "stepdad56" <stepdad56@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re;Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health? > I was of this same mindset, and lost everything. I surmised that she > would be thrilled that I was not out doing drugs, drinking, or > cheating. It was a good thing that those things were not happening, but > she didn't see it that way. One needs to see it from the womans > perspective. Bottom line, to her, she wants you to spend the time with > her, not trains, not train buddies, not layouts etc. If one is > fortunate enough to have a significant other who participates in the > same interests as you, then this is not a big problem as you will be > with her as she will be with you working on the layout, going to shows, > etc. Beware of this trap as its easy to fall into and become > complacent. Next thing you know, your in divorce court. Always allow > equal time or more to be spent with your spouse than you spend on your > hobbies. Golden rule = Spouse first, trains and hobbies second. > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > This guy's wife would leave if he didn't get his train habit under > > control? Would she rather he spend his time and money at a bar? The > > local "House of Ill Repute?" On drugs? Gambling? > > My wife loves the idea that if I'm late getting home, it's because > > I'm hanging out at the hobby shop! She and her mother used to have > go > > drag my late father-in-law out of the local Eagles club fairly > > regularly. She likes trains and auto racing too, even though her > > exposure to these things was scetchy before we were married. > > Maybe I'm just luckier than some guys. No more trains? Honey, > > you're history! > > Stumpy Stone...running loose in Appalachia. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35858	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?

Before you all get too excited about this, you should know the Onion is probably the best piece of weekly /satire/ being written today. Check out the rest of the website and you'll see - Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 lab phone: 312-355-1342 web page: http://www.uic.edu/~plotnick/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35859	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Model railroading may be hazaedous to your health?

Regarding the wife giving me a choice to chose between my train hobby and her, it brings to mind that country song about the guy with the fishing habit. She tells him if he goes fishing one more time she will be gone. Well he is out fishing again and is singing this song..."I am going to miss her..." ;) I hope everyone knows that this website, "The Onion" is a joke website and does not have serious stories. It is all for fun....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35860	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Trains-hazardous to your (mental) health??

Hmm, I do believe this is written a bit "tongue in cheek" especially when one notes the use of railroad lingo as puns "Crossed the Rock Island line." Egads, that's so bad, I could have written it!! :) Fun article! But then I have a wife who loves trains too. And old cars, and player pianos--and even puts up with a house that's a construction zone. Well at least she has soo far, guess I'd better get it finished!! Oh wait, there's a yard sale. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35861	From: riclouse	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Custom Built Layouts in Southern California area

Does anybody know of a custom layout builder in the Southern California Area (Western San Bernardino, North Orange County, San Gabriel/Pomona Valley Area) who would be interested in building benchwork, wiring, track laying a 4'6" by 16 foot layout? I get a kick out doing scenery and operations, but building benchwork to me is dull, and I am way too stooopid to wire anything significant. If anyone is interested, please drop me an e-mail. Rich Clouse

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35862	From: WALTER GAY	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: S-Helper

I have a new in the box S-Helper C&O SW9/1200 if anybody is interested. I includes wheelsets and pilots to convert to scale. Retail's for $199.95 I'll let it go for $135 plus postage. If interested contact me off list. Walt Gay Petersburg, Va

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35863	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: Custom Built Layouts in Southern California area

Hey - that sounds like a lot of fun! I'm not your benchwork guy, but I'd love to work with you on the design of the layout and electrical circuitry. How far along are you in your thinking? Are you adding on to an existing layout, replacing one, or what? High Rail, scale, SN3? Are you modeling a real site or just putting together a layout like I did? My website may provide a few ideas: geocities.com/theupstairstrain. I'm down in San Diego so popping up for the evening isn't realistic, but I'd love to come up on a Saturday or two or three or ... Maybe some of the other San Diego S-Gaugers might join the party? Riding together would certainly make the drive up more enjoyable! Bob riclouse <riclouse@...> wrote: Does anybody know of a custom layout builder in the Southern California Area (Western San Bernardino, North Orange County, San Gabriel/Pomona Valley Area) who would be interested in building benchwork, wiring, track laying a 4'6" by 16 foot layout? I get a kick out doing scenery and operations, but building benchwork to me is dull, and I am way too stooopid to wire anything significant. If anyone is interested, please drop me an e-mail. Rich Clouse S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35864	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: SHIPPING........ WOW

CHECK THIS ITEM OUT..... READ THE FINE PRINT..... I did a found out the ship and handeling is 125.00 !!!!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5979770538&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting Thats way high.......... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35865	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 12, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35866	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW

On Friday, June 10, 2005, at 03:40 PM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > CHECK THIS ITEM OUT..... READ THE FINE PRINT..... I did a found out > the ship and handeling is 125.00 !!!!!!!! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5979770538&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#eb > ayphotohosting > > Thats way high.......... Bob May not be to high. What will the package weigh after packing to ensure a safe trip to you door by USPS. They know how to destroy things. And once it is turned over to them it belongs to you. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...\ You can't have everything. Where would you put it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35867	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: rebuilding ?

Hi gang, It's been a while since I've posted or been on the chat. Life has thrown my family a few hardballs with my father living with us for four months and then passing away in April and my 8 year old seriously injuring his arm. We're still buried in legal and financial issues, but it also looks like we will be moving. I was very excited about having all four lines of my layout up and running, and now it's time to tear it down. I really love the around-the-wall style of benchwork and plan on doing that again, but I'm thinking about building in modules this time. Most likely I will not have a place to set up trains at first, so a module or two may be all I get for a few years. I want to continue using Flyer track and roadbed. Does anyone have any ideas about module sizes that may work for me? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35868	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: Shipping....

Thanks all for your comments..... I knew fee avoid was the sleeper..... but if I hadn't just happened to catch it..... OUCH..... We all bid on things...... Better pay more attention....Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35869	From: afsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2005
Subject: SHS open house

I just returned from my first visit to a SHS Open House at their facility in NJ. All I can say is WOW!. What a great company SHS truly is from Robin's hospitality to Don's attention to the details of the items they produce. I honestly feel SHS is the best manufacturer you could ever hope to deal with on any type product but lockily for us "S" types they make trains in our size. And what great details and quality the trains have. If you get a chance I highly recommend attending the open house. Also if you have never purchased a SHS product, I suggest you do so as soon as possible as it will make a great addition to your layout. They provide great products and stand behind them. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35870	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?

Jacques: I suggest that you look up a site that was recommended by someone in the group. It is: Micro Trains for Model Railroads No one is working in S gauge, but that doesn't mean that you can't be a president setter. I am working on an N gauge "pizza" layout to train myself. I want to try to make an S gauge "pizza" layout. Perhaps you can come up with ideas for micro layouts in S gauge. For instance a long narrow, behind the couch, table that can easily be converted into a rail yard. Good luck with your endeavors. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35871	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?

I used Google to find the complete link: http://www.carendt.us/ Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WEG138@... Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:06 AM To: Jollivier4@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rebuilding ? Jacques: I suggest that you look up a site that was recommended by someone in the group. It is: Micro Trains for Model Railroads No one is working in S gauge, but that doesn't mean that you can't be a president setter. I am working on an N gauge "pizza" layout to train myself. I want to try to make an S gauge "pizza" layout. Perhaps you can come up with ideas for micro layouts in S gauge. For instance a long narrow, behind the couch, table that can easily be converted into a rail yard. Good luck with your endeavors. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35872	From: Brock	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: New house and transitioning to S

Hey, I'm Brock and I've been lurking here for over a year. I have a new home with a third bedroom that ill be a combined meditation space and train room. Is there a good software for planning a layout , say 6 x 10, and my first project is to re-creat the 3 big Oklahoma name trains; the Santa Fe Texas Chief, the Frisco Meteor, and the Rock Island Twin Star. First will be the Texas Chief. I've been scanning various builder websites, and it seems to be the easiest. Has anyone kitbashed Amtrak Superliners into Santa Fe Hi-Levels? If so, how did you do it? Looking forward to leaning and sharing as I go! Thanks Brock

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35873	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?

I also like the round the wall idea and two sides of my layout is built that way. I got sick of removing and replacing two 4' modules from my layout for every train show, so I replaced them with a permanent 8' section. I think 4' modules are too short to easily accommodate switches and interesting trackwork, though they work well for our portable layout I highly recommend 8' sections. A depth of up to 3' is easy to reach the back of. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] rebuilding ? > Hi gang, > > It's been a while since I've posted or been on the chat. Life has thrown my > family a few hardballs with my father living with us for four months and then > passing away in April and my 8 year old seriously injuring his arm. We're > still buried in legal and financial issues, but it also looks like we will be > moving. > > I was very excited about having all four lines of my layout up and running, > and now it's time to tear it down. I really love the around-the-wall style of > benchwork and plan on doing that again, but I'm thinking about building in > modules this time. Most likely I will not have a place to set up trains at > first, so a module or two may be all I get for a few years. I want to continue > using Flyer track and roadbed. Does anyone have any ideas about module sizes > that may work for me? > > Jacques > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW

Hey - that guy is really clever!!! Read it again -- that shipping cost is NOT high!!! He tells people that the shipping is high and to bid accordingly. Then he starts the bidding at one cent (thereby paying the minimum auction listing fee) and guarantees he'll net his desired minimum from the auction (without paying a reserve price fee) and reduces the selling price by about $100 (thereby reducing the sales fee he has to pay to eBay). Everybody wins except eBay. Now that's the way to sell on eBay!!! ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote:CHECK THIS ITEM OUT..... READ THE FINE PRINT..... I did a found out the ship and handeling is 125.00 !!!!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5979770538&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting Thats way high.......... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35875	From: WALTER GAY	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW

Its high now! The bid is over $233 plus shipping! Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHIPPING........ WOW > Hey - that guy is really clever!!! Read it again -- that shipping cost is NOT high!!! > > He tells people that the shipping is high and to bid accordingly. Then he starts the bidding at one cent (thereby paying the minimum auction listing fee) and guarantees he'll net his desired minimum from the auction (without paying a reserve price fee) and reduces the selling price by about $100 (thereby reducing the sales fee he has to pay to eBay). Everybody wins except eBay. Now that's the way to sell on eBay!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35876	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Re: SHIPPING........ WOW

A clever way around E-Bay fees but it is not alowed by E-bay. They frown on anyone getting into their pockets. I had been in a dispute with a seller. E-Bay was doing nothing until I pointed out the seller was using another member to bid on Not so much to shill but to set the reserve price & avoid paying E-bay. They shut them down with in an hr. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35877	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: Ocala Meet

Just got back....... found a bunch of freight cars...... Hoppers, flats..... cheap...... 2 #30 cars in OB's.......3 other LN Frontiersman coachs........ BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I picked up a LN 930...... don't know which hit first.....the 20.00 price or THAT IT IS THE RIVIT VERSION !!!!!!!!!!!! Ther was some other flyer there too...... small meet..... that caboose made the day......Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35878	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: CORGI

StOPPED AT TUESDAY MORNING..... THEY HAVE A PILE OF TANKS. PEOPLE, ETC.... ALL MILITARY.......Sorry for caps..... the only way I type...... box says 1/64 scale...... might want to check them out....... also here is a reply i got from the winning bidder and the shipping charge...... saved him about 70.00...... I offered to come and get it. He replied that shipping would be $25 and handling $20, so we completed the sale. I appreciated your comments and support. C On Jun 10, 2005, at 8:12 PM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: c..... point it out to e-bay..... its fee avoidance.... shipping should be around 25.00.... Bob Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35879	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/11/2005
Subject: S Helper Service Open House

Hi All, Here are a few photos from the S Helper Service Warehouse Open House and picnic today. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/SHS_Open_House_2005.jpg At the upper left it looks like we have our favorite British S Scaler John Prior just waking up wondering how he got to be under a tent in New Jersey. Next we have the various attendees including the Mark family having a good time eating the catered food Don Mike and Robin graciously gave us. Finally on the bottom is Donna with famous S Scaler Wally Collins. It was well attended. Mike Ferarro said there was a good crown yesterday as well. The weather cooperated without any rain, though it was a bit on the hot side. Donna entered both of us in the door prize drawing where we were both called as the second and third winner. Thanks again to SHS for the 2 new reefers. I saw a lot of attendees carrying around the many green and yellow boxes until they checked out with Robin. It is like going to Home Depot, but you pick out your own order of the best S Scale trains made! It was a great day and time had by all. Thanks again to Don Robin and Mike for having us. Next stop Altoona! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The 2 final freight versions are currently in production ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35880	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance

On Jun 11, 2005, at 7:45 PM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > > On Jun 10, 2005, at 8:12 PM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > > > c..... point it out to e-bay..... its fee avoidance.... shipping > should be around 25.00.... Bob > > Bob > > I think that it is time we recognize the contribution that eBay has made to the hobby, especially to S gauge. I personally know of several people (including myself) who would have never gotten back into the hobby if they had not stumbled across the American Flyer Section on eBay. If everyone started behaving like this seller, few fees would be collected and there might not be an eBay! Just a thought... I personally will not bid on an auction were the seller is trying to pull this stunt. He deserved to have his goods sell for his opening bid. 1 cent! IMHO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35881	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance

Hi All, I agree with Chuck Harrington. Ebay helps make our hobby, especially our minor market scale, work. I'm glad they can make a profit. I am disappointed by sellers that are acting in a too sharp manner. Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 >>>> <snip goes the header and most of the history - this reply had been sent by Brother Harrington> I think that it is time we recognize the contribution that eBay has made to the hobby, especially to S gauge. I personally know of several people (including myself) who would have never gotten back into the hobby if they had not stumbled across the American Flyer Section on eBay. If everyone started behaving like this seller, few fees would be collected and there might not be an eBay! Just a thought... <snip>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35882	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance

In the area of E-bay, It is a community based on TRUST. Every member has a right/duty to help weed out these sellers/buyers that violate this trust. E-bau urges members to report these seller/buyers that violate the rules. Sometimes E-Bay will just let them know that what they did violates their rules. Other times they will suspend the account. I inthe past had a letter written to me pointing out an infraction of my listing. If minor they say just don't do it again. Had another time they just ended my auction early. These were for minor honest mistakes. ER-bay can't watch evry item put up for sale, so they rely on the members to point out the incorrect use of an auction. I for one will write the person selling they item if it a small violation, But if it a larger one like schilling I report it to E-bay. But you need the proof they are doing it. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35883	From: Steve McGuire	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Photo etching your own parts

Have any of you guys tried to photo-etch your own parts? I'm getting ready to do it, and bought the DIY kit from Micromark. Any suggestions/pitfalls etc. that you can share? Thanks Steve McGuire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35884	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: CORGI & eBay Fee Avoidance

HEY GUYS...... I wasn't complaining about ebay or anything else..... I was just pointing out how I almost missed the fine print...... so be careful....... end result with thw winning bidder was the shipping and Handeling was dropped from 114.00 to 45.00..... at least it saved him some..... also I sent him an invite to tonights chat...... BTW...... went to another tuesday morning...... the solider sets are real close to "s" scale along with the hummers and some tanks.........bought to 1/64 helicopters...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35885	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 12, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35886	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Live train cam on chat tonight

We have the Train Cam running on chat tonight Link to Train Cam is http://67.97.33.131/af/traincam.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35887	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Coming to Minneapolis

Any suggestions for S-Guage things to see or do in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area next week? We're there for a visit to our son and grandson. --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35888	From: mlmarmer	Date: 6/12/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis

Robert, Do a search on Google for things to do in that area. Tourism website search and of course, you could take your grandson, to see the original Washington Senators baseball team that is now the Twins! Take your son too! O:)! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD near the new home of the Washington Nationals in first place! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Coming to Minneapolis > Any suggestions for S-Guage things to see or do in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area next week? We're there for a visit to our son and grandson. > > > > --------------------------------- > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35889	From: Stephen Litts	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: RR Gauge

A friend and retired RR employee sent me this. Knowing how things circulate on the Internet, some of you have probably already seen it. I can't verify the details, but my friend is a stickler for that sort of thing, so I'm sending it on believing it's legit. Enjoy.... Steve We�ve Always Done It That Way Does the statement, �We�ve always done it that way� ring any bells? The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet 8.5 inches. This is an exceedingly odd number. Why was this gauge used? Because that�s the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the U.S. railroads. Why did England build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built pre-railroad tramways, and that�s the gauge they used. Why did they use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. OK. Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, existing, long distance roads in England, because that�s the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in England (and all throughout Europe too) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all uniform in the manner of wheel spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. And bureaucracies live forever. Therefore, the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse�s behind came up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman Army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two warhorses! Now the twist to the story. When you see the Space Shuttle sitting on the launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are the solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. NASA originally wanted them to be a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses� behinds. So, a major Space Shuttle design feature, of what is arguable the world�s most advanced transportation system, was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse�s rear. And you thought being a horse�s rear wasn�t important� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35890	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: SHS Father's Day Sale

S Helper has announced a Father's Day Sale, ending midnight Sunday. Buy any in-stock diesel, get any caboose free. Details at: http://www.showcaseline.com/ Also, Don gave me an update on the SW-9/NW-2 shipments: Chessie NW-2: both roadnumbers, AC/DC and LM sound, all in stock. FEC SW-9: both roadnumbers, AC/DC and LM sound, all in stock. Frisco SW-9: Both RN LM sound, RN#2 AC/DC in stock. RN#1 AC/DC next week. LV SW-9: RN#2 LM sound in stock. RN#1 LM sound, both RNs AC/DC, next week. Conrail AC/DC and LM Sound, next week. All DCC sound are currently late summer. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35891	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed

Dear Berry: Thank you for your comments. However I want to be able to control the photo shoot myself. I want the developing to be done by PhotoWorks, not somewhere else. I don't have a problem with the copying being done by a professional. In fact, I have done this work and gotten paid. But that was many years ago and I didn't own the equipment I was using. Reflections and glare are something that can be avoided by correct placement of the illumination source. A frame will be used to hold the camera and photo mount securely. (Set up once, just change the photo and push the cable release.) So a quick way to flatten the photo and then release. That is why I thought of a vacuum table. I can turn the fan on and off with each shot. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: ljack70117@... [mailto:ljack70117@...] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:00 PM To: Barry Comer Cc: Marty.Thorin; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-scale yahoo; Interurbans@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 01:41 PM, Barry Comer wrote: Hi People: I under stand you wish to keep the cost of copying as low as possible. But The least money you spend the less quality you end up with. There is a saying "Garbage in Garbage out. The best way to copy these photos is by a professional. My daughter has some old slides she wanted to save and get prints. She went to Sam's Club. The cost was about 2 dollars each. They were beautiful. Please look in to this and get a bid on cost. Also if you put them under glass you will get a light reflection off the glass and make your negative less acceptable. > Hi Thorin. I was going to suggest a scanner, but that won't give you > 35mm film. Try putting them under a piece of very heavy glass, or > sandwich them between 2 pieces of glass. The weight of the glass will > depend on how curled they are. Also, you may want to build a > lightweight pyramid frame that you can hang the camera from - leave it > in the best position to take the photo's, that way you don't have to > adjust it all the time. If you support the upper piece of glass and > camera frame, then you can make the plate the picture sets on movable, > so you only have to move that to replace the picture as you take the > photo's. that way, everything else stays in adjustment/alignment. I've > seen this set up before in photography magazines, where they are doing > the same thing you are. It will also work for books and nearly > anything else that needs to be compressed so it will take a good > photo. Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Marty.Thorin > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:14 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-scale yahoo; > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed > > Good Morning: > I have about 75 rolls of prints that were recovered from Iowa Trolley > Park. (Some are in sad shape.) I will duplicate a number of these by > putting a camera above the print and photographing the print. > The photos are borderless. So how do I hold them flat for > photographing? I am thinking of a vacuum table which would be a box > where the top is a sheet of plastic with pin holes in it. A fan vents > the box. Then I would put the photo on the plastic and it would be > sucked flat. All of the photos are 'snapshots' of 3 * 4 to 4 * 6". > > Anyone have any other suggestions on how else to duplicate about 200 > (of about 1500) snapshots onto 35 mm film? (The film is then sent to > PhotoWorks for processing. For each roll I get negatives, prints, > slides, and a CD! Plus the CD has low, med, and high resolution!) > > Anyone have any suggestions on where to find a cheap vacuum table? I > am not a professional photographer, just an amateur with a 35mm camera > who needs it for a couple of weeks. > > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, > to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all > e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For > those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our > CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, > to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all > e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For > those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our > CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia. Shin: A device for finding furniture

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35892	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Off Topic: Photo Help Needed

Good Morning: I have about 75 rolls of prints that were recovered from Iowa Trolley Park. (Some are in sad shape.) I will duplicate a number of these by putting a camera above the print and photographing the print. The photos are borderless. So how do I hold them flat for photographing? I am thinking of a vacuum table which would be a box where the top is a sheet of plastic with pin holes in it. A fan vents the box. Then I would put the photo on the plastic and it would be sucked flat. All of the photos are 'snapshots' of 3 * 4 to 4 * 6". Anyone have any other suggestions on how else to duplicate about 200 (of about 1500) snapshots onto 35 mm film? (The film is then sent to PhotoWorks for processing. For each roll I get negatives, prints, slides, and a CD! Plus the CD has low, med, and high resolution!) Anyone have any suggestions on where to find a cheap vacuum table? I am not a professional photographer, just an amateur with a 35mm camera who needs it for a couple of weeks. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35893	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed

On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 01:41 PM, Barry Comer wrote: Hi People: I under stand you wish to keep the cost of copying as low as possible. But The least money you spend the less quality you end up with. There is a saying "Garbage in Garbage out. The best way to copy these photos is by a professional. My daughter has some old slides she wanted to save and get prints. She went to Sam's Club. The cost was about 2 dollars each. They were beautiful. Please look in to this and get a bid on cost. Also if you put them under glass you will get a light reflection off the glass and make your negative less acceptable. > Hi Thorin. I was going to suggest a scanner, but that won't give you > 35mm film. Try putting them under a piece of very heavy glass, or > sandwich them between 2 pieces of glass. The weight of the glass will > depend on how curled they are. Also, you may want to build a > lightweight > pyramid frame that you can hang the camera from - leave it in the best > position to take the photo's, that way you don't have to adjust it all > the time. If you support the upper piece of glass and camera frame, > then > you can make the plate the picture sets on movable, so you only have to > move that to replace the picture as you take the photo's. that way, > everything else stays in adjustment/alignment. I've seen this set up > before in photography magazines, where they are doing the same thing > you > are. It will also work for books and nearly anything else that needs to > be compressed so it will take a good photo. Barry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf > Of Marty.Thorin > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:14 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-scale yahoo; > Interurbans@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed > > Good Morning: > I have about 75 rolls of prints that were recovered from Iowa > Trolley Park. (Some are in sad shape.) I will duplicate a number of > these by putting a camera above the print and photographing the print. > The photos are borderless. So how do I hold them flat for > photographing? I am thinking of a vacuum table which would be a box > where the top is a sheet of plastic with pin holes in it. A fan vents > the box. Then I would put the photo on the plastic and it would be > sucked flat. All of the photos are 'snapshots' of 3 * 4 to 4 * 6". > > Anyone have any other suggestions on how else to duplicate about 200 > (of > about 1500) snapshots onto 35 mm film? (The film is then sent to > PhotoWorks for processing. For each roll I get negatives, prints, > slides, and a CD! Plus the CD has low, med, and high resolution!) > > Anyone have any suggestions on where to find a cheap vacuum table? I > am > not a professional photographer, just an amateur with a 35mm camera who > needs it for a couple of weeks. > > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to > reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all > e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For > those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, > view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, > to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all > e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For > those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our > CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@adelphia. Shin: A device for finding furniture

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35894	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: JL Bronco

I kept looking at the Johnny Lightning Bronco in the package thinking that it sure looks right. I re-measured..... hmmm now my measurement says its over 5-1/2 feet. I took it out of the package and checked it with a dial caliper... 68-1/2" vs 69" wide for the prototype.... It IS S scale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Ted Larson <mhrreast@y...> wrote: > At > http://4wheeldrive.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F% 2Fperformanceunlimited.com%2Fdocuments%2Fbroncoinfo.html > > height - width - length > 73" 69" 154" > > You are correct Don... 5' wide is much too narrow........ > This one is NOT S scale. > > Ted Larson wrote: > > >The Bronco scales out at 5' wide. Those were > >small trucks, so 5' sounds believable. Anybody got more info? Ted Larson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35895	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed

Sometimes my intelligence is only exceeded by my stupidity. Other times the stupidity wins without intelligence getting in the way. My hardware store sells galvanized steel with the needed holes already in it. The box is easy to bang together. The fan is easy -- I scrap old PCs. I want a weak "suck" anyway. And if one is too weak, I can add a second, third, fourth, etc. Plus the PC fans are intended for a nearly square hole -- easy to mount. It doesn't have to be very air tight: duct tape provides enough sealant. Thanks for all of your suggestions. I will let you know how my box project goes. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Bothwell [mailto:vze4cs43@...] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:30 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed Thorin, Make your own! Seems like a decent sized acrylic sheet with a bunch of holes drilled in would do. A shop vac could provide "suck". There's a place in Allentown that sells small pieces of acrylic sheet for cheap. An auto glass shop might give you all the scraps you need. Do you have a drill press? Jamie On Jun 13, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Marty.Thorin wrote: > Good Morning: > I have about 75 rolls of prints that were recovered from Iowa Trolley > Park. (Some are in sad shape.) I will duplicate a number of these by > putting a camera above the print and photographing the print. > The photos are borderless. So how do I hold them flat for > photographing? I am thinking of a vacuum table which would be a box > where the top is a sheet of plastic with pin holes in it. A fan vents > the box. Then I would put the photo on the plastic and it would be > sucked flat. All of the photos are 'snapshots' of 3 * 4 to 4 * 6". > > Anyone have any other suggestions on how else to duplicate about 200 > (of about 1500) snapshots onto 35 mm film? (The film is then sent to > PhotoWorks for processing. For each roll I get negatives, prints, > slides, and a CD! Plus the CD has low, med, and high resolution!) > > Anyone have any suggestions on where to find a cheap vacuum table? I > am not a professional photographer, just an amateur with a 35mm camera > who needs it for a couple of weeks. > > Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35896	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Off Topic: Photo Help Needed

Any small print shop should have a vacuum table. Could probably use the business too. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35897	From: atlantic300	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: SHS Open House

I would just like to thank Robin and Don and all the people at SHS for their open house. It was a good day out, good food, and very good product. Leon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35898	From: bruce weidner	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: Re: 1:64 th find

If you are looking for military loads for S Big Lotts some times has Corgi Military vehicals in the toy section. Also a store here in Columbus Ohio called Dollar general had two sets by Maisto called Gijoe dicast with 4 or 5 vehicals in tan or olive. The trucks and hummer are way under sized but the jeeps and bulldozers are very good sized for flat car loads. the tanks are about the same size as the ones on the flyer/lionel flats. I may get a couple set just for the dozers and jeep.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35899	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: K-Line Pacific

This is to dispel all rumors that K-Line has cancelled the Pacific in S gauge. Wayne Dear Mr Beachy: The "S" Gauge Pacific's currently have an expected delivery date of Early 2006. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact us. Thank you, K-LINE Electric Trains Customer Service PO Box 2831, Chapel Hill NC 27515 TEL: 919-929-8420 TOLL-FREE FAX: 877-269-4113 REPLY TO: info@... WEB: www.k-linetrains.com http://www.k-linetrains.com/saleterms.cfm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35901	From: Phil K	Date: 6/14/2005
Subject: You don't need to make a vacuum board

Hi Thorin -- You don't need to go through the expense and trouble of making a vacuum board. At 4x6 max, your photos are small enough to use a "clamp board." Clamp boards can be used for photos up to 8x10. Get a piece of plywood and put black paper larger than your biggest photo over it. Mark the "image area" with a non-photo blue pen or pencil -- they are available at art supply stores like Dick Blick. Use duct tape to attach a sheet of clear plexiglass or Lexan to the board -- acts as a hinge. (Glass works best because it doesn't retain static electricity -- and dust) Add a couple cheap door hinges to the bottom and attach them to your table so the whole board can be moved upright from a horizontal loading position. Attach two wooden 45 degree angles to the table in front of the board (and out of camera view) so you can return the board to 100 percent vertical each time. Put a eye loop at the top of the board and attach a bungee cord to the overhead floor joists (This is best done in a basement, where the joints are exposed overhead.) Use the bungee cord to hook the eye loop and hold the board assembly against the two 45-degree angles so it is 100 percent vertical. Your lights should be photo bulbs and placed at 45 degree angles to the board as not to get a reflection. Do some test shots first -- we use a digital camera for setup and see the results immediately. Use some spring clamps along the edges to hold the glass/plexi tight to the board. Put your 35mm camera on a tripod, use a extension cord to trip the shutter, and after you're adjusted for focus, bang away. Phil K __________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35902	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Pacific

This is great news. I am looking forward to adding another engine to my roster. Thanks for sharing this information! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35903	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: RR Gauge

Stephen Litts wrote, "A friend and retired RR employee sent me this. Knowing how things circulate on the Internet, some of you have probably already seen it. I can't verify the details, but my friend is a stickler for that sort of thing, so I'm sending it on believing it's legit. This is an old version of an incorrect story. The Roman chariots road ruts were closer to one meter than 4'-8 1/2", and the old roads can still be measured in some parts of Europe. Standard gauge started as 5'-0" with the wheel flanges on the outside of the rails rather than on the inside where they now are. The problem was that when a car went around a curve too fast, the inside of the car tended to lift from centrifugal force, and the flange lifted above the rail thereby causing a derailment. Putting the flanges on the inside of the track prevented this problem. When the wheels were placed on he inside, the track was left the same but the "gauge" became the distance between the inside faces of the rails instead of the outsides. Although the outside gauge was 5'-0" the inside gauge was 4'-8 1/2". Because many railroads in England and elsewhere used this gauge, it became, eventually, a standard so that equipment could be interchanged from one railroad to another. Two horses can't fit between the rails (it's hard enough for two people)! Let's try to kill this urban legend about the horses. Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35904	From: bruce weidner	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Pacific

The release date was on the web site shortly before it went down. Any word on the sets? When I get my B&O pacific if I am pleased with it I may get the Erie as well. May be we can push for a new loco with new tooling in the future. Any Ideas for a new low cost locomotive in S say something like E's and F's in some colorful schemes a shark nose maybe has there ever been a S gauge BL-2? --- Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: > This is great news. I am looking forward to adding > another engine to > my roster. Thanks for sharing this information! > > Chuck > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35905	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: RR Gauge and Horses Anatomy

This legend pops up every year or so on this group. Sometimes it brings about some heated debate. If anyone is interested you can search the archive and locate the previous discussions. I'm not sure what a good search term might be, possibly "horse"???? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35906	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/15/2005
Subject: Re: RR Gauge

On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 10:26 PM, nyc17819@... wrote: > Stephen Litts wrote, "A friend and retired RR employee sent me this. > Knowing > how things circulate on the Internet, some of you have probably > already seen > it. I can't verify the details, but my friend is a stickler for that > sort of > thing, so I'm sending it on believing it's legit. > I is an urban legend and no truth in it. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...\ You can't have everything. Where would you put it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35907	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2699

Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> >Subject: Re: K-Line Pacific > >...has there ever been a S >gauge BL-2? > > BTS markets a fine kit for the BL-2. Go to www.btsrr.com for info. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35908	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: Re: BL-2

Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> >Subject: Re: K-Line Pacific > >...has there ever been a S >gauge BL-2? > > BTS markets a fine kit for the BL-2. Go to www.btsrr.com for info. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35909	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: Re;RR Gauge

Gee, I've heard this "urban legend" so often (including several books and a couple of times on The History Channel) that I always accepted it as fact. It is always said that the gauge originated with Roman chariots and the British just followed the same width when they built their railroads. (Gee, I wonder where two foot gauge came from which was so popular in the slate pits? Chariots for children?) Two horses don't fit between a gauge of 4' 8 1/2". This is especially true as Roman two horse chariots had the animals harnessed to either side of a center beam, spreading them farther apart. However, in everything I've read the gauge was set by the distance between the chariot WHEELS. The wheels might run in the same ruts in the road, while the horses probably wouldn't step in the same place every time. I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just curious. I've never heard the "flanges on the outside of the rails" used in conjuction with track gauge before. Stumpy Stone...wondering why old automobiles had a wheel "track" the same width as standard gauge railroad track...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35910	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/16/2005
Subject: WARNING - - WARNING...Fake E-Bay messages going around AGAIN.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 35911	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge

Stumpy..... Narrow guage or 3' came about simply because it required about 30 % less work on cuts, fills, tunnels, etc..... when you are excavating the side of a mountain....... that ' is a lot..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;RR Gauge > Gee, I've heard this "urban legend" so often (including several books > and a couple of times on The History Channel) that I always accepted > it as fact. It is always said that the gauge originated with Roman > chariots and the British just followed the same width when they built > their railroads. (Gee, I wonder where two foot gauge came from which > was so popular in the slate pits? Chariots for children?) > Two horses don't fit between a gauge of 4' 8 1/2". This is > especially true as Roman two horse chariots had the animals harnessed > to either side of a center beam, spreading them farther apart. > However, in everything I've read the gauge was set by the distance > between the chariot WHEELS. The wheels might run in the same ruts in > the road, while the horses probably wouldn't step in the same place > every time. > I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just curious. I've never > heard the "flanges on the outside of the rails" used in conjuction > with track gauge before. > Stumpy Stone...wondering why old automobiles had a wheel "track" > the same width as standard gauge railroad track...in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35912	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 19, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35913	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/17/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge

I can find no relationship between the wheel gauge and the width of a horse. The first descriptions of Roman wheel gauge had no reference to horses. It merely pointed out that the wheel gauge became standard in ancient Rome for wagons to fit the grooves already worn into the roads. Obviously the attachment of horses to the wagons would not preclude the two horse width being greater than the wheel gauge. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re;RR Gauge > Stumpy..... Narrow guage or 3' came about simply because it required about > 30 % less work on cuts, fills, tunnels, etc..... when you are excavating the > side of a mountain....... that ' is a lot..... Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:21 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re;RR Gauge > > > > Gee, I've heard this "urban legend" so often (including several books > > and a couple of times on The History Channel) that I always accepted > > it as fact. It is always said that the gauge originated with Roman > > chariots and the British just followed the same width when they built > > their railroads. (Gee, I wonder where two foot gauge came from which > > was so popular in the slate pits? Chariots for children?) > > Two horses don't fit between a gauge of 4' 8 1/2". This is > > especially true as Roman two horse chariots had the animals harnessed > > to either side of a center beam, spreading them farther apart. > > However, in everything I've read the gauge was set by the distance > > between the chariot WHEELS. The wheels might run in the same ruts in > > the road, while the horses probably wouldn't step in the same place > > every time. > > I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just curious. I've never > > heard the "flanges on the outside of the rails" used in conjuction > > with track gauge before. > > Stumpy Stone...wondering why old automobiles had a wheel "track" > > the same width as standard gauge railroad track...in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35914	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/18/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge

Could it be that the ruts were from the wagon & a single horse?The wagon wheels seem more likely to cause the ruts than the horse/horses. Anyone know the width of a western wagon or buckboard? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35915	From: roy inman	Date: 6/18/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge

Very good question Mike. There are at least three original, restored, authentic pioneer wagons hereabouts. One is a buckboard, one is a Conestoga and the other I'm not sure. I'll take my tape and measure the darn things and report back. What I wonder is, in that day and age with not the standardization we have today, if the distance between wheels was the same for all wagons? Roy Inman on 6/18/05 12:27 AM, anormal1@... at anormal1@... wrote: > Could it be that the ruts were from the wagon & a single horse?The wagon > wheels seem more likely to cause the ruts than the horse/horses. Anyone know > the > width of a western wagon or buckboard? Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35916	From: Edward G.	Date: 6/18/2005
Subject: Gauge..

I posted this several years ago ...it was a little more complete than the joke versions ...Take it for what its worth ..it was designed for HUMOR ...with a LOT of FACT... The US Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English people build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did they use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing the wagons would break on some of the old, long distance roads, because that's the spacing of the old wheel ruts. So who built these old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe were built by Imperial Rome for the benefit of their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts? The initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagons, were first made by Roman war chariots. Since the chariots were made by, or for, Imperial Rome they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Thus we have the answer to the original questions. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman army war chariot. Specs and Bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right - because the Imperial Roman chariots were made to be just wide enough to accommodate the back-ends of two war horses. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on the launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are the solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at a factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line to the factory runs through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than a railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So a major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined by the width of a horse's ass.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35917	From: schliess@earthlink.net	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: photo album

Greetings! Will someone please tell me how to set up a photo album on S-Trains? Thanks, Larry Schliessmann (Gabriel)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35918	From: John G	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: A.C. Gilbert links

Here are some interesting links: A.C. Gilbert photos posted by his grandson David Gilbert: http://www.frontiernet.net/~davegilbert/acg/ Ham radio link with discussion on Gilbert's broadcasting business. Has other links at end of article: http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/03/1/ John G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35919	From: John G	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis

Bob, Some ideas are: III Rail Trains. see http://www.3railtrains.com/ This is a large hobby shop specializing in O guage. Has operating layout. Located in north metro (Coon Rapids). Scale Model Supplies - Large general purpose hobby shop in St Paul. Operating O gauge layout at Bandanna square. Take a trip to Duluth. Lots of prototype train & iron ore docks. Visit Carrs hobby shop. More a museum than a hobby shop. http://duluthsuperior.railfan.net/ Jackson Street Roundhouse located in St Paul. Good museum with old cars & engines. http://www.mtmuseum.org/ BNSF Northtown rail yard. Located in Fridley about 5 miles north of downtown Minneapolis. A highway bridge crosses the yard near the engine shops giving a good view. Hope this helps. John G --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@y...> wrote: > Any suggestions for S-Guage things to see or do in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area next week? We're there for a visit to our son and grandson. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35920	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Wagon Ruts

Just to add to the confusion, until about 1916, Model T Fords were available in a "Southern" version, with a 60" wide track, extra long axles and wider fenders. This was supposedly to match the road ruts in the south. Hmmm. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35921	From: T Larson	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: un-filled niche

There has been much discussion about niche rolling stock lately on the s-scale list. The Feb. 2005 Mainline Modeler discusses this subject: - The PRR X29 boxcar fleet was larger than the ENTIRE boxcar fleet of most other railroads; there were 29,000 of them. Several other roads had very similar boxcars. Therefore this type of car would have been frequently seen on most railroads. - Just as common (32,000 cars) but less well known is the NYC USRA steel box car. Over 21,000 of these were 8'-7" high. These would also have been seen "everywhere". Therefore both of these seem like good candidates for medium volume production in S scale. -- Ted Larson PC HELP http://www.pchell.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35922	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: NASG convention room

Hi, My family's plans have changed and I will (unfortunately) be attending next month's NASG convention solo. I have a room booked at the convention hotel for Tuesday through Sunday. Since there will be only one of me, I am interested in sharing the room. If anyone is interested let me know. Regards, kbt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35923	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: NYC Steam and other RRs in Classic Trains

Ed L and you other NYC fans: The recent issue of Classic Trains magazine has a great article on Troy N.Y. and the NYC, D&L and B&A steam days of the 50's. Be sure you take a look! Happy Fathers Day! Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35924	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Gauge..

About all this Hourses BUTTS..... I really don't give a horses rear........ But lets look at this from a simple standpoint...... 1. most one lane trails people followed were simple animal trails worn by years of use.... they streached every where..... animals were not stupid...... they took the easy ways........ roads followed later. 2. Now if you look at a Horses Rear End (Like many of us.....its the widest part!!!! ) measure it.... it is about 2'-6" wide (Average ).... thats one horse..... now as a team they need about 2'-0" clear between them..... there fore from the center of the butt to the center of the butt is 1'-3" + 2'-0" + 1'-3" or about 4'-6"...... pretty close the full sise spacing of a track...... 3. its not the wheels making the ruts.... its the inpact from the horses feet..... assume the horse weight 1000# at and inpact o 2 G each time the foot hits the ground.... thats about 800 # per square foot impact ( assuming the horse foot is about 6" square..... wheels are uniform rolling loads..... impact loads much less.... 4. This is for horses..... now for oxen..... add about 1'-0" due to horns.... 5. This brings up another intersting question...... Is the why we put horns in the front of our vehicles?????? Bob yes still high from playing with HOT GLASS again yesterday...... does something to you.....................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35925	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Re;RR Gauge

Woops..... didn't check my math..... 1000 div x 4 = 250 per foot x impact at 2-3 div x 4 = 125 to 188 # Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35926	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 19, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35927	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2005
Subject: Re: Today

I hope and wish that everyone had a fantabulous Fathers Day! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35928	From: Steven Allen	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: SHS UP and GN SW9's for sale

I am looking to sell my SHS SW9 UP (#00436) and GN (#00428) yard switchers. These units are AC/DC hi-rail units, and have never been removed their boxes. Looking to sell the units for $175.00 each plus shipping. If interested, please contact me offline. Thinning out and regionalizing (New England/Pennsylvania) my inventory. Inquiries welcome on earlier SHS items (mainly southern, midwestern, and western roads)that I may have (all items are hi-rail, some have kadee couplers). Thanks, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35929	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: 355 Baldwin for sale (can motored)

I have a 355 Baldwin switcher for sale. It has a S-'n-S can motor and is in good shape except for one broken step on the front and one on the rear. It of course has the ever present screw hole crack. $150 plus $8 priority mail shipping. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35930	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: Wagon Ruts

I GUESS THE SOUTH TREATED THEIR HORSES LIKE THEIR WOMEN..... WITH LOVE AND KINDNESS....... KEPT THEM WELL FED SO THE HORSES REAR END WAS BIGGER....... ERGO WIDER TRACK SPACING.......... WONDER NOW IF NARROW GUAGE REALLY CAME FROM UP NORTH WHERE THEY DIDN'T FEED THEIR HORSES AS MUCH..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Wagon Ruts > Just to add to the confusion, until about 1916, Model T Fords were > available > in a "Southern" version, with a 60" wide track, extra long axles and wider > fenders. This was supposedly to match the road ruts in the south. Hmmm. > S' > David D. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35931	From: T Larson	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: [1:64 Modeling Guide] OFF Topic: Paypal 1:64 Modeling Guide Ann

I'll echo Richard in that recent experience shows PayPal to be very unresponsive to solving customer problems. My wife bought several items on eBay. One arrived broken due to insufficient packing material. The seller gave us a refund of about 70% of what we had paid for the item. we filed with PayPal to have the rest of our purchase price refunded. PayPal tells us that we must return ALL the merchandise at OUR expense or our claim is invalid. I don't think so...... If you are buying model train equipment using PayPal.............. BEWARE. rebendever wrote: > We apologize to interupt this discussion group, but we just received > a phone call from an irate 1:64 Modeling Guide reader that Paypal > automatically renewed his annual subscription and ended up paying a > $25 bank service fee for insuffient funds. > > Richard E. Bendever, Editor > 1:64 Modeling Guide > www.ModelingGuide.com > > > > -- Ted Larson PC HELP http://www.pchell.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35932	From: rodgercunningham	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Sunday Night Chat

Hello to all! I was hoping to make the chat last night, but I missed it. How can I find out what I missed out on?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35933	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC????

Guys and Gals..... check out this site...... its the DEEP IMPACT site.... Remember on the disk of PLAQUES on board ONE SAYS....... "A C GILBERT - MAKER OF AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS" THIS SECTION HAS BEEN TEMP SHUT DOWN DURING THE ENCOUNTER BOB TUFTS HAS A COPY OF THE CERTIFICATE..... Their site is http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html We have about 13 days to go....... there is a plaque onboard for Barb and I have one too.. WHILE ALL THE TRAIN MAKERS, marx, lionel, GILBERT made space stuff....... ony A C' S name made it into space in reality....!!!!!! Bob Conner Be sure and chech out the automations...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35934	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 6/20/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [1:64 Modeling Guide] OFF Topic: Paypal

and he notes - PayPal is a financial institution and in their terms and conditions they state that they are not responsible for unsatisfactory products, only the fact that they are delivered or not delivered, ergo you buy a pig-in-a-poke and the seller delivers it, they are not responsible for quality. They can only refund the purchase if the item is returned with a confirmation of delivery. They like any charge card company must adhere to the same rules. But eBay does have a policy for items delivered not as described or broken due to poor packaging and damage not attributable to the carrier. Most sellers on eBay will refund all of the money paid, including any costs of return, but some don't and checking the seller's feedback as well as any terms and conditions in the auction description before purchasing should done before bidding. eBay used to state at the bottom of every bidding page "Caveat Emptor" which meant "Buyer Beware" but since then they have installed remedies for broken or misrepresented shipments. If you check recent updates on eBay's announcement pages you will find such a remedy. There's no guarantee that you or any other buyer will be completely satisfied but it's worth a try. In short, don't fault PayPal when it's an eBay problem. I've bought and sold on eBay, using Paypal for six years and have had problems which were eventually solved to mutual satisfaction. It does happen and it can usually be worked out without condemning the venue. There is of course, the threat of negative feedback if nothing else works. Enough black marks and the seller usually gets the picture. Raleigh (in Maine) Carpyfishburn on eBay At 09:12 PM 6/20/2005, T Larson wrote: >I'll echo Richard in that recent experience shows PayPal to be very >unresponsive to solving customer problems. >My wife bought several items on eBay. One arrived broken due to >insufficient packing material. The seller gave us a refund of about 70% >of what we had paid for the item. we filed with PayPal to have the rest >of our purchase price refunded. PayPal tells us that we must return ALL >the merchandise at OUR expense or our claim is invalid. I don't think >so...... If you are buying model train equipment using >PayPal.............. BEWARE. > >rebendever wrote: > > > We apologize to interupt this discussion group, but we just received > > a phone call from an irate 1:64 Modeling Guide reader that Paypal > > automatically renewed his annual subscription and ended up paying a > > $25 bank service fee for insuffient funds. > > > > Richard E. Bendever, Editor > > 1:64 Modeling Guide > > www.ModelingGuide.com > > > > > > > > > >-- >Ted Larson > >PC HELP >http://www.pchell.com/ > > > >The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to >reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail >software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you >on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35935	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: Re: An old topic - Starter Sets

I went to Ebay's Ho auctions and just looked at prices. They have many,many 0-4-0 yard engines listed for $19.95. There were also higher and a few lower priced 0-4-0s. I realize that the "S" market is smaller, but it still seems as though some one could make cheap starter engines that could lead to an expanded market. I'm sorry about the rehashing, but what are your thoughts about cheap engines? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35936	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars

John, Thanks for the mention in the NASG Magazine on the interior possibilities. However, what I've found to date is as follows. I ordered the light kits from AM for my five cars, 5 NASG, 1 sleeper and one PA dining car. The light kits are screwed to the bottom of the car which creates a problem when you are trying to insert interior details. I am looking at the possiblility of putting them in the ceiling but I'm not sure if that will work yet because of the bulbs being closer to the ceiling. (Note: are there any references on how the interiors of these cars where layed out. If so, where do you get them?). The silhouette inserts appear to be OK but I haven't had time to place them yet. I took out one of the interiors from my bud cars and it looks like a lot of work to revamp them to fit the 80 footers so for the time being I guess I will go with silhouettes until I figure out what to do or someone comes up with a kit. Also, I was thinking about the inter-car bellows or whatever you call them. Any thoughts, I have some O guage ones, but they don't fit and if I cut them down they wouldn't look right. Finally, any suggestions for a source of decals for AM cars. I need Pullman and Pennsy. This is sort of my first real detailing job. I have been building my layout and also have in works building a BL-2 kit so need something to divert to when my layout development gets frustrating. Also I'm curious about what is the story on the length of railroad heavyweight passenger cars. I understand that the shorter cars are better for the model trains to get around curves and AF switches but what's the story about what real railroads used for passenger car lengths. If you know of a web reference explaining any of the above would appreciate a reply. Thanks for any thoughts. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35937	From: roy inman	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: New rail museum an invitation

Hi all, If any of you happen to be in the Kansas City, Missouri area September 24~25, stop in at Union Station and catch the opening weekend activities of the new rail museum. At least one steam engine, Milwaukee Road #216 will be there, and running excursions. One or two more may show up. And there will be a train show with layouts and sales tables in the 25,000 square foot old North Waiting Room (now called Festival Plaza). Then there is the rail museum itself, which will replicate the experience of walking down the two flights of stairs to catch the train as in days of yore. Elevators and escalators will also take visitors back and forth. Should be a festive and fun weekend for anyone interested in things train. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35938	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: ON TOPIC SET 1126

I just got a boxed 1126 set....... it is almost the same as the 1190 set except it is missing the trestle set 747...... My question...... and I am going from memory as I had this same Speed Queen set in the 80's....... I think this set had the plastic risers instead of paper 747....... This is also the "SPEED QUEEN" promo set and has a speed queen label on the box with the AF label..... so should I put plastic or paper in the box? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35939	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: 1126 set

BTW..... Bob's book just has a blank line after the 1126 number.... but this box has the AF label and number and the Speed ueen label..... all clear... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35940	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2005
Subject: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars = Modifying Budd Interiors

John, I have had some success, with great help from David Avedesian, at lighting the interior of AM's heavyweight cars. I've used the American Models Budd interiors, trimmed them down to fit inside AM heavyweight cars. I've then used two brass rods, reamed them out to fit AM screws (2-56 I believe) and connected the rods to the screws coming up thru the floor from the gtrucks.I've placed the AM lighting unit on top of the Budd assembly and screwed it into the reamed out brass rods. It's connected and worked well. Actually, it works too well because the light is so strong that jt shines thru the top of the car. I'm going to have to build baffles to put on either side. I tried painting the inside black but even that wasn't strong enough. I think that should work because I read an article recently that Gilbert used paper baffles on the interior of his AF cars. The interiors may not be prototypical but they are a start. Once we get the lighting system perfected, we can go after prototypicality. I used the MTF figures as passengers (i'd previously painted them). It looks good - if I do say so myself - and will look better when I control the lights. V.S.Roseman did an article in Railroad Model Craftsman about a year ago on weathering and detailing the interiors which sparked my interest. I'd recommend it. I've always wondered if the HO IHC passenger car interors would work but haven't tried yet. Give it a try. The sillouettes are good but this will hopefully be better. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35941	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars = Modifying Budd Interiors

For a look at MTH people in a Budd car see S-Trains>Photos>Photo Albums>MTH figures in AM Budd car. No comparison to silhouettes. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Paul4Schil@.......... Subject: [S-Trains] NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars = Modifying Budd Interiors > John, > I have had some success, with great help from David Avedesian, at > lighting the interior of AM's heavyweight cars. I've used the American Models Budd > interiors, trimmed them down to fit inside AM heavyweight cars. I've <SNIP>.......... > I used the MTF figures as passengers (i'd previously painted them). It > looks good - if I do say so myself - and will look better when I control the > lights. <SNIP>...........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35942	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: You don't need to make a vacuum board

Man I would look for a friend with a scanner. Perhaps even buy one, they are very handy to have anyway. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] You don't need to make a vacuum board Hi Thorin -- You don't need to go through the expense and trouble of making a vacuum board. At 4x6 max, your photos are small enough to use a "clamp board." Clamp boards can be used for photos up to 8x10. Get a piece of plywood and put black paper larger than your biggest photo over it. Mark the "image area" with a non-photo blue pen or pencil -- they are available at art supply stores like Dick Blick. Use duct tape to attach a sheet of clear plexiglass or Lexan to the board -- acts as a hinge. (Glass works best because it doesn't retain static electricity -- and dust) Add a couple cheap door hinges to the bottom and attach them to your table so the whole board can be moved upright from a horizontal loading position. Attach two wooden 45 degree angles to the table in front of the board (and out of camera view) so you can return the board to 100 percent vertical each time. Put a eye loop at the top of the board and attach a bungee cord to the overhead floor joists (This is best done in a basement, where the joints are exposed overhead.) Use the bungee cord to hook the eye loop and hold the board assembly against the two 45-degree angles so it is 100 percent vertical. Your lights should be photo bulbs and placed at 45 degree angles to the board as not to get a reflection. Do some test shots first -- we use a digital camera for setup and see the results immediately. Use some spring clamps along the edges to hold the glass/plexi tight to the board. Put your 35mm camera on a tripod, use a extension cord to trip the shutter, and after you're adjusted for focus, bang away. Phil K __________________________________________________________________ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35943	From: NASG Library	Date: 6/22/2005
Subject: Re: NASG Heavyweight Passenger Cars

All -- See answers below. Dick Karnes, NASG Pullman Project Manager, NASG Inc. > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:15:54 -0400 > From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> >Subject: NASG Heavy Weight Passenger Cars > >...are there any references on how the interiors of these cars where >layed out. If so, where do you get them? > There are many prototype references that contain floor plans. In particular, I recommend the following publication: Passenger Car Catalog -- Pullman Operated Equipment 1912-1949, Kratville Puiblications, Omaha, 1968. You can also acquire one of the HO interiors made to fit the AHM cars and use it as a guide to make an S version. >...Also, I was thinking about the inter-car bellows or whatever you call them. > These are diaphragms. "S"cenery Unlimited makes these for S, I think. But be careful -- They can interfere with tracking because they tend to snag against each other in reverse curves. One solution for this problem is to glue a solid piece of thin styrene or card stock over the diaphragm's striker plate. This allows the diaphracms to slide over each other instead of snagging. If you don't want to interfere significantly with the open look of the diaphragm, use clear styrene. >Finally, any suggestions for a source of decals for AM cars. I need Pullman >and Pennsy. > Ah. Both the red and two-tone grey NASG cars were supposed to come lettered. The fact that they did not was a manufacturing error. However, with the inclusion of dry-transfer lettering with the cars, that turned out to be pretty much a non-problem. It would have been nice to know ahead of time that American Models was about to release companion cafe cars . During the planning stages, we gave AM's owner the option of a wholesale purchase of the NASG's dry-transfer lettering sets, but AM declined the offer. Thus, we had very few extra lettering sets manufactured. That said, I have just a tiny quantity of the dulux (for PRR and N&W Pullmans) and aluminum (for 1947 two-tone grey "general service" Pullman pool) lettering sets left. These are $5 each plus postage. All of these sets contain two sizes of the name "Pullman" plus a large array of car names appropriate for these cars, but no specific road names (like Pennsy). >Also I'm curious about what is the story on the length of railroad >heavyweight passenger cars. > All prototype Pullman heavyweight cars were approximately 85' long. Passenger-car lengths are commonly stated without regard to the addition of vestibule length. Thus, a so-called 70' coach (typical length for coaches) is really 75' long because of the two 30" vestibules. An 80' Pullman sleeper like the NASG cars is really 85' long for the same reason. >I understand that the shorter cars are better >for the model trains to get around curves and AF switches > That's the compromise you must acccept for utilizing sectional track and switches. There are other hirail trackage options out there that will accommodate the full-length Pullman cars.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35944	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/23/2005
Subject: S Helper Service UP Closeout Sale

The recent problems concerning the use of the Union Pacific Shield logo on model railroad items, has resulted in the decision by SHS to no longer produce models with the UP shield. Consequently, all UP in stock models are on Closeout Sale until June 30, 2005. Currently, all we have left is Stock Cars. This is all first come, first serve, and when they are gone they are gone. 2-8-0s will only be produced to fill pre-orders, none will be built for stock. The UP NW-2 will not be built. Here's the page for the Closeout Sale: http://www.showcaseline.com/IndexUPSale.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35945	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/24/2005
Subject: Union Pacific logo use

Y'all...This sticks in my craw. Is UP hurting for cash so bad that they have to stick it to model railroad manufacturers? Are they so stupid that they will cut off this source of FREE advertising? It used to be common for the railroads to not only allow use of their logos, but they often sent the model manufacturers blueprints and in some cases even kicked in a few bucks to pay for production (the Lionel F units cost was split by Lionel, EMD, Santa Fe, and the New York Central as I recall.) Sure, Union Pacific has the right to control their property such as the logo, but this is moronic greed. Stumpy Stone...UP need not worry about their logo being used on my railway...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35946	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/24/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 26, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35947	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 6/25/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific logo use

Stumpy, These are my feelings exactly. I just wish there was another prominent line in my "neck o' the woods" that I could model. I was able to get a link to send some feedback to UP from someone on the Showcaseline list that I am forwarding here for those that want to leave UP with a piece of their mind. http://www.uprr.com/info/feedback.shtml I am so disappointed that I won't get my NW-2 from SHS, but I admire their stand on this issue. gary On 6/24/05 4:35 PM, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Y'all...This sticks in my craw. Is UP hurting for cash so bad that > they have to stick it to model railroad manufacturers? Are they so > stupid that they will cut off this source of FREE advertising? > It used to be common for the railroads to not only allow use of their > logos, but they often sent the model manufacturers blueprints and in > some cases even kicked in a few bucks to pay for production (the > Lionel F units cost was split by Lionel, EMD, Santa Fe, and the New > York Central as I recall.) > Sure, Union Pacific has the right to control their property such as > the logo, but this is moronic greed. > Stumpy Stone...UP need not worry about their logo being used on my > railway...Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35948	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/26/2005
Subject: Logo usage, part two

TO: Mr Terry "Stumpy" Stone FROM: Lawrence Cheatem, Esq. SUBJECT: Use of Flatulene Logo Dear Mr Stone, It has come to our attention that you have been using the word Flatulene and the Flatulene company Bull logo in your model railroading activities. You are hereby ordered to cease and desist this usage. While we do not own flatulence, gas, belch, or fart, Flatulene is a copyrighted name. Not wanting to miss out on the current obscene profit taking by the rest of the oil industry, we will prosecute if you continue to use "Flatulene, The All Natural Gas" in your hobby. Use of the Flatulene name and logo are availible to you by contacting this office and sending us too much money. Thank you for your co-operation, Lawrence Cheatem Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe Legal Associates

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35949	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/26/2005
Subject: Re: Logo usage, part two

Terry, What on earth were you thinking...I suppose like most things this too will pass. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Logo usage, part two > TO: Mr Terry "Stumpy" Stone > FROM: Lawrence Cheatem, Esq. > SUBJECT: Use of Flatulene Logo > > Dear Mr Stone, > It has come to our attention that you have been using the word > Flatulene and the Flatulene company Bull logo in your model > railroading activities. > You are hereby ordered to cease and desist this usage. > While we do not own flatulence, gas, belch, or fart, Flatulene is a > copyrighted name. Not wanting to miss out on the current obscene > profit taking by the rest of the oil industry, we will prosecute if > you continue to use "Flatulene, The All Natural Gas" in your hobby. > Use of the Flatulene name and logo are availible to you by > contacting this office and sending us too much money. > Thank you for your co-operation, > Lawrence Cheatem > Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe Legal Associates > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35950	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/26/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 26, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35951	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"erious "S"peeder "S"tuff........

Jim- I just was poking through my Chessie Color Guide to Freight Cars and the MOW section has a nice shot of a Fairmont "speeder" or "TMC -- track motor car" in Chessie nomenclature. I suppose my still-in-the-planning-stages Chessie layout could use a little critter so put me down for 1. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of WJJIM@... Sent: Sun 6/26/2005 4:29 PM To: Loizeaux@...; S-scale@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"erious "S"peeder "S"tuff........ OK already, as soon as Linda tells me HOW to do it, I'll keep score. I have figured out "on and off" on this 'puter. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35952	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] "S"erious "S"peeder "S"tuff........

OK already, as soon as Linda tells me HOW to do it, I'll keep score. I have figured out "on and off" on this 'puter. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35953	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: up

Go Stumpy! The UP is an acronym for Utterly Pathetic. I wouldn't have a train car on my layout with the shield. I would prefer any other line that doesn't demand extortion to use its logo. Do they think that we are competitors at 1/64th scale? Is their bottom line is so bad that they need our pennies? They should pay us! Then at least they would have something to bring about good feelings instead of the bad feeling brought about by poor management and low profits. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35954	From: Ken	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Mr Cheatem

You know how it is when you are faced with something in life and things have been serious and stressful for a long while. And then all of a sudden, and someone comes along and says something or does something... and you just break out laughing. And realizing you almost forgot how. Mr. 'Cheatem', my hats off to you. The 'Dewey, Cheatem and Howe' put me over the edge and a smile on my face this morning. And the 'all things pass' follow up was pretty good too. Thanks! -Ken > > Dear Mr Stone, > It has come to our attention that you have been using the word >Flatulene and the Flatulene company Bull logo in your model >railroading activities. > You are hereby ordered to cease and desist this usage. > While we do not own flatulence, gas, belch, or fart, Flatulene is a >copyrighted name. Not wanting to miss out on the current obscene >profit taking by the rest of the oil industry, we will prosecute if >you continue to use "Flatulene, The All Natural Gas" in your hobby. > Use of the Flatulene name and logo are availible to you by >contacting this office and sending us too much money. > Thank you for your co-operation, > Lawrence Cheatem > Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe Legal Associates > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35955	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !

This is probably old news to many of you. But it was new to me. Maybe I was not paying enought attention to my emails last December. I shared information with a friend of mine (who makes decals) about SHS deciding to discontinue producing Union Pacific models. I asked him why UP was not forcing discontinuation of fallen flag railroads that have been folded into UP. This is what he wrote back to me. "The Supreme Court ruled last December against Union Pacific on all the fallen flags due to that they do not advertise under any of the logos. So, they can only use the UP shield, winged shield and the Building America logos." Whether this news is new or old, it definitely is good news, and I think it would also remove the uncertainty about modeling CSX's fallen flags. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35956	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re;UP copyright-some good news

Thanks for the info on the Supreme Court ruling, Earl! Good for them! I worked for the old Standard Oil of Ohio (now completely absorbed by British Petroleum...BP) for 7 years and saw then that corperate greed knows no bounds. As a life long fan of the old Baltimore & Ohio, I'm very pleased to see that CSX can't screw up my world by pulling the plug on we B&O folks. I feel sorry for all the people who are avid UP fans. I'm afraid, however, that this will not be an isolated incident. Stumpy Stone...going back to playing with choo choos now...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35957	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: UP

In the earlier round of correspondence on this I wrote UP and voiced my displeasure with their licensing policy. They seemed to poo-poo it, as if it were nothing to hobbyist. There also seemed to be something in what I read, and I thought I looked up the law, that if a effort to protrct the logo and mark were not made within a certain period, then that logo and mark sort of fell into the public domain. (That's laymaneze.) Next question. How are they going to react to offshore manufacturers selling products with their logo and mark in Canada and other countries? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35958	From: ecphora123	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: United Fruit Growers Express

Another prototype question. The United Fruit Banana car. Was there an actual prototype for it as well? Thanks, Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35959	From: ecphora123	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: AF Tank Cars

Got two tank cars at a train shoe in Milville, DE on Saturday. one has Shell S.E.P.X.8681 and number 625 written on it. the second car says Gulf GRCX 5016 and the number 925 on it. These are single dome cars that except for the art work are the same car. What was the prototype for this car body. The is also the following: Capacity 100,000 LBS. on one and Capacity 800000 LBS on the other. These were junkers and didn't have trucks on them. I want to convert them to scale and as prototypical as possible. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35960	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: wow......

I think it was Fri when I saw the sale ad for SHS UP stock cars......... sent off an order 4 6 cars...... they came this morning....... FAST SERVICE...... THANKS ALL..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35961	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Track Gauge

I, too, have heard the story about how the Roman chariot wheels fit between the stepping stones in the Roman streets so that people crossing a street didn't have to walk on the pavement itself, and how that lead, eventually, to "Standard Gauge" but in doing some research, I came across some references that may indicate otherwise. My primary source is the book, Fundamentals of Railway Track Engineering printed in November 2003 and written by Dr. Arnold D. Kerr, Professor of Civil Engineering at the University of Delaware. Dr. Kerr developed an international symposium on Railroad Track Mechanics and Technology as part of a research program in track engineering at Princeton U in the 1970s and founded the Institute for Railroad Engineering in Wilmington, DE in the 1980s. This institute has provided many short courses for railroad and transit engineers for many years. According to the book, roads were built as stone-plastered guideways in Greek and Roman periods. The book has a picture of the remains of an old Etruscan Road in Cerveteri, Italy, said to be 2400 years old, and with a distance between the centers of the ruts of about 1 meter, slightly over a yard. The same gauge was used in the "extensive network of roadways built later by the Romans for the purpose of connecting the various provinces of the Empire." The grooves appear to be about a foot wide and 6 inches deep. Railways go back to German and English coal mines that used timber guideways initially, then timber with metal strips to reduce the wear, and finally cast iron "L" shaped guides that kept conventional cart wheels on the hard cast iron surface. Some "tracks' had the raised flange on the inside of the wheels, and some had it on the outside. These carts could also be used on roads without cast iron or timber but the loads were much more difficult to haul. In 1789, Jessop introduced a cast iron rail with a rolling surface on the top, and flanged wheels. When designing a railway from Loughborough to Nanponton, Jessop had the flanges on the outsides of the rails but found that the cars would derail when centrifugal force raised the body of the car enough to raise the flange above the rail head. Construction was modified to put the flanges on the insides of the rails thus avoiding this problem. When the track was constructed, the distance from the outside of one rail to the outside of the other was 5'-0" and the width of the rail head was 1 3/4". When the flanges were moved to the inside, the effective gauge for the inside flanges became five feet minus two times the 1 3/4 inch head width, equaling 4'-8 1/2". As more and more railroads were constructed in England, and Americans copied what worked there, 4'-8 1/2" became a standard gauge. However, other gauges have been tried and many still exist. The Erie and many companies that connected with it used 6'-0", less costly construction often dictated 3-'0" gauge both in the East and the West. Ireland still uses 5'-3" gauge, and Irish engineers used the same gauge when building some of the railroads in Australia. Finland, Russia, and the former Soviet Republics use 5'-0", South Africa, Sweden, Norway, and parts of Japan use 3'-6" gauge. For many years, the southern US railroads used a gauge an inch or so greater than 4'-8 1/2" and when the Civil War engine, General, was restored for use, it had to be re-gauged to 4'-8 1/2". I hope this clears up at least some of the confusion over "standard gauge." Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35962	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Re: UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !

Do you have the citation of the case. I checked the U.S. Supreme Court case decision database at the Cornell Legal Information Institute and found nothing involving Union Pacific and copyrights or trademarks. Maybe it was a U.S. District Court or a Circuit Court of Appeals case. If anyone can get me a citation or even a court name, I will probably be able to find a copy of the decision. It would probably be surprising if it had made it to the Supremes already. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: <tennsgauge@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News ! > This is probably old news to many of you. But it was new to me. Maybe I > was > not paying enought attention to my emails last December. > > I shared information with a friend of mine (who makes decals) about SHS > deciding to discontinue producing Union Pacific models. I asked him why > UP was not > forcing discontinuation of fallen flag railroads that have been folded > into > UP. This is what he wrote back to me. > > "The Supreme Court ruled last December against Union Pacific on all the > fallen flags due to that they do not advertise under any of the logos. > So, they > can only use the UP shield, winged shield and the Building America logos." > > Whether this news is new or old, it definitely is good news, and I think > it > would also remove the uncertainty about modeling CSX's fallen flags. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35963	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Logo Usage, Part 3

Stumpy, Please inform the firm, "Dewey, Cheatum & Howe" that continued usage of my last name, Dewey, will require that I share in their obscene profits. If they continue in this usuage without compensating me, I will have to contact my soliciters! S'incerely, David Dewey PS I can send by email the proper number of the Swiss bank account in which to deposit said licensing fees.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35964	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/27/2005
Subject: Engine Speed

Greetings! A question for the group on engine speed .... going faster in reverse then in forward. If memory serves me correct, all things being equal, changing armature spacer washers is a possible solution. Do I increase or decrease the "thickness" of washers to correct this problem? Thanks for your thoughts! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35965	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: AF Tank Cars

The 625 had sheet metal link coupler trucks. The 925 came with knuckle coupler trucks. Both cars are identical size except the 625 had some variations in the frame. Someone in this group has studied them and reports they have a scale error where the cars are oversized by approx. 13%. If you stand them next to an S Scale America tanker you can see the difference. If you keep them apart it's not that noticeable. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ecphora123" <ecphora123@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Tank Cars > Got two tank cars at a train shoe in Milville, DE on Saturday. > > one has Shell S.E.P.X.8681 and number 625 written on it. the second car > says Gulf GRCX 5016 and the number 925 on it. These are single dome > cars that except for the art work are the same car. What was the > prototype for this car body. The is also the following: Capacity > 100,000 LBS. on one and Capacity 800000 LBS on the other. > > These were junkers and didn't have trucks on them. I want to convert > them to scale and as prototypical as possible. > > Gene > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35966	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed

As always, a topic that nobody has an iron-clad answer for, but check our website AF REPAIR CLINICS. One of them has to do with the "Faster In Reverse Syndrome", and gives you some ideas to try. I assembled this one quite some time ago, combining different theories as well as Tom Jarcho's thoughts on it. The key thing about the thrust washers is that there MUST be at least ONE on the armature shaft, but you also want to center the stacked armature plates within the stacked field plates as closely as possible, with a small amount of "play", but not too much. ----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- << A question for the group on engine speed .... going faster in reverse then in forward. If memory serves me correct, all things being equal, changing armature spacer washers is a possible solution. Do I increase or decrease the "thickness" of washers to correct this problem? Thanks for your thoughts! Best wishes, Charlie >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35967	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Dewey, Cheatum & Howe

Stumpy and friends best be careful - the first time I saw Dewey, Cheatum & Howe was in the original Leisure Suit Larry video game. You guys sure don't want the video game lawyers after you!!!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35968	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: rebuilding ?

Dear Jacques: I am starting to catch up on my reading. So I read this today. I find a layout of modules to be frustrating. Take out one module and the layout is worthless. I build my benchwork 30 inches deep. Into this, I add sockets, 24 inches (2 feet) deep and 4 feet wide. Then I can slide the modules in and out of the sockets. Behind the modules, on that last 6 inches, is another line of track. When the modules are not in the layout, I just run the trains on that back track. So the layout is always functional. 4 feet modules work fine if you are using AF switches (#3). For most scale operations you will need larger switches. Then I use two modules together to make 8 feet. The left and right edges follow full NASG standards. The middle joints do whatever I want. My largest planning has had three modules end-to-end for a city scene and three for a 'winter park' idea. Good luck! Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:20:39 EDT From: Jollivier4@... Subject: rebuilding ? Hi gang, It's been a while since I've posted or been on the chat. Life has thrown my family a few hardballs with my father living with us for four months and then passing away in April and my 8 year old seriously injuring his arm. We're still buried in legal and financial issues, but it also looks like we will be moving. I was very excited about having all four lines of my layout up and running, and now it's time to tear it down. I really love the around-the-wall style of benchwork and plan on doing that again, but I'm thinking about building in modules this time. Most likely I will not have a place to set up trains at first, so a module or two may be all I get for a few years. I want to continue using Flyer track and roadbed. Does anyone have any ideas about module sizes that may work for me? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35969	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed

I don't believe that changing the spacer washers was a solution to this problem. The problem is a wear pattern on the commutator plates. The forward running of the engine causes the trailing edge of each plate to wear down and this causes the brushes to be slightly lower than they should be when passing the gap to the next plate and then they catch on the edge of the next plate rather than smoothly sliding across and this friction slows down the engine. When run in reverse the brushes are higher up when crossing the gap and passing on to the worn down (now leading) edge of the next commutator plate and they don't catch the edge. Less friction and the engine runs faster. I think all the solutions involved sanding/grinding the whole commutator surface absolutely flat to the same plane so that the brushes don't have to jump up and down over the surface of the commutator. --- charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > Greetings! > > A question > for the group on engine speed .... going faster in reverse then in > forward. If memory serves me correct, all things being equal, > changing armature spacer washers is a possible solution. Do I > increase or decrease the "thickness" of washers to correct this > problem? Thanks for your thoughts! > > Best wishes, Charlie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35970	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !

Earl, Next time please get the facts straight instead of spreading rumors. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals ----- Original Message ----- From: BRENDAMAINWARING@... To: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News ! This is entirely false. Our Southern Pacific registration is complete and the remaining trademarks are in the final stages of approval. Thank you, Brenda Mainwaring Director, Corporate Relations Union Pacific Railroad 1400 Douglas Street, Stop 1550 Omaha, NE 68179 -----Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals <oddballsdecals@...> wrote: ----- To: From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals <oddballsdecals@...> Date: 06/27/2005 06:03PM cc: Jim Ogden <sjogden@...>, Jerry Michels <Asychis@...>, BRENDAMAINWARING@... Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News ! Brenda, Please reply back Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals" <oddballsdecals@...> To: <rirocket@...> Cc: <BRENDAMAINWARING@...> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News ! > Yeah right, I don't think so. Don't believe everything you read, ask him if > he has proof!! > > Tom Stolte > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Engle" <rirocket@...> > To: "'Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals'" <oddballsdecals@...> > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:40 PM > Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News ! > > > May be old news to you, Tom, but this is the first I have seen it detailed > this specific. DJE > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > tennsgauge@... > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:30 PM > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; > showcaseline@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News ! > > This is probably old news to many of you. But it was new to me. Maybe I > was > not paying enought attention to my emails last December. > > I shared information with a friend of mine (who makes decals) about SHS > deciding to discontinue producing Union Pacific models. I asked him why UP > was not > forcing discontinuation of fallen flag railroads that have been folded into > UP. This is what he wrote back to me. > > "The Supreme Court ruled last December against Union Pacific on all the > fallen flags due to that they do not advertise under any of the logos. So, > they > can only use the UP shield, winged shield and the Building America logos." > > Whether this news is new or old, it definitely is good news, and I think it > would also remove the uncertainty about modeling CSX's fallen flags. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to > reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail > software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you on > DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view > shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > =

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35971	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - Some Old Good News !

Tom, It appears that I owe you and the lists an apology. I am going to do some more research though my time is extremely limited. Let me say this about my source. If you knew the source, you would have relied on it too. I will let you know if I can find out more about the information I was given. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35972	From: Ken Garber	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] UP Copyright - links

tennsgauge@... wrote: > Tom, > > It appears that I owe you and the lists an apology. I am going to do some > more research though my time is extremely limited. > > Let me say this about my source. If you knew the source, you would have > relied on it too. I will let you know if I can find out more about the > information I was given. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > I had also found a story from mid 2004 that mentions their exclusion from 'fallen flags'. But if you go to the US patent office, you will find a plethora of successful trademarks: SP: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=6rjta8.2.1 MP: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=6rjta8.5.1 WP: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=6rjta8.6.2 (NOT UP owned) WP (Feather River): http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=6rjta8.6.4 CNW: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=6rjta8.8.1 (not UP - yet) MKT: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=6rjta8.10.25 Cotton Belt: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=6rjta8.18.3 and of course UP.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35973	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/28/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed

Remember that the thrust of the armature caused by the different directions of the worm rotation means the brushes are pushed harder against the armature in one direction than the other by the brush springs. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Holm" <imsscott@...> To: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine Speed > I don't believe that changing the spacer washers was a solution to this > problem. > > The problem is a wear pattern on the commutator plates. The forward > running of the engine causes the trailing edge of each plate to wear > down and this causes the brushes to be slightly lower than they should > be when passing the gap to the next plate and then they catch on the > edge of the next plate rather than smoothly sliding across and this > friction slows down the engine. > > When run in reverse the brushes are higher up when crossing the gap and > passing on to the worn down (now leading) edge of the next commutator > plate and they don't catch the edge. Less friction and the engine runs > faster. > > I think all the solutions involved sanding/grinding the whole > commutator surface absolutely flat to the same plane so that the > brushes don't have to jump up and down over the surface of the > commutator. > > > --- charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > > > Greetings! > > > > A question > > for the group on engine speed .... going faster in reverse then in > > forward. If memory serves me correct, all things being equal, > > changing armature spacer washers is a possible solution. Do I > > increase or decrease the "thickness" of washers to correct this > > problem? Thanks for your thoughts! > > > > Best wishes, Charlie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35974	From: EGesner52@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2712

Dewey, Cheatham and Howe have been around a lot longer than Leisure Suit Larry. I remember things like that back in "My Weekly Reader" in elementary school and all I'll say is that is definitely before Leisure Suit Larry. Went with book titles like, "Three Steps to the Outhouse" by Will E. Makit., etc. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35975	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Logo usage, part two

Please be advised that Flywheel , Shyster and Flywheel is accepting clients for a class action counter suit. If you say the secret word, your counsel fees will be refunded. resprectfully submitted by, Ravelli for Flywheel --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > TO: Mr Terry "Stumpy" Stone > FROM: Lawrence Cheatem, Esq. > SUBJECT: Use of Flatulene Logo > > Dear Mr Stone, > It has come to our attention that you have been > using the word > Flatulene and the Flatulene company Bull logo in > your model > railroading activities. > You are hereby ordered to cease and desist this > usage. > While we do not own flatulence, gas, belch, or > fart, Flatulene is a > copyrighted name. Not wanting to miss out on the > current obscene > profit taking by the rest of the oil industry, we > will prosecute if > you continue to use "Flatulene, The All Natural Gas" > in your hobby. > Use of the Flatulene name and logo are availible > to you by > contacting this office and sending us too much > money. > Thank you for your co-operation, > Lawrence Cheatem > Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe Legal Associates > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35976	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2712

Was this not the Three Stooges law firm? EGesner52@... wrote:Dewey, Cheatham and Howe have been around a lot longer than Leisure Suit Larry. I remember things like that back in "My Weekly Reader" in elementary school and all I'll say is that is definitely before Leisure Suit Larry. Went with book titles like, "Three Steps to the Outhouse" by Will E. Makit., etc. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35977	From: John G	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Engine Speed

I concur that sanding/grinding the commutator corrects this. I've done it on a couple of steamers and is very easy. The method I used is sandpaper on a block of wood. You need to drill a hole in the wood to accept the end of the amature. I used a paper punch to put a hole in the sandpaper. For minor problems, you can use your hand to rotate the armature. My childhood engine had severe grooving due to lots of use. In this case, I used a cordless drill to slowly spin the armature around. Make sure to finish with a fine grade of sandpaper. Also, make sure to put in a new set of brushes and springs. If the wear unevenly, this can cause problems. John G --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > I don't believe that changing the spacer washers was a solution to this > problem. > > The problem is a wear pattern on the commutator plates. The forward > running of the engine causes the trailing edge of each plate to wear > down and this causes the brushes to be slightly lower than they should > be when passing the gap to the next plate and then they catch on the > edge of the next plate rather than smoothly sliding across and this > friction slows down the engine. > > When run in reverse the brushes are higher up when crossing the gap and > passing on to the worn down (now leading) edge of the next commutator > plate and they don't catch the edge. Less friction and the engine runs > faster. > > I think all the solutions involved sanding/grinding the whole > commutator surface absolutely flat to the same plane so that the > brushes don't have to jump up and down over the surface of the > commutator. > > > --- charlie and edith <charlieandedith@i...> wrote: > > > Greetings! > > > > A question > > for the group on engine speed .... going faster in reverse then in > > forward. If memory serves me correct, all things being equal, > > changing armature spacer washers is a possible solution. Do I > > increase or decrease the "thickness" of washers to correct this > > problem? Thanks for your thoughts! > > > > Best wishes, Charlie > > > > [N

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35978	From: roy inman	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] An Apology

Not a barrister am I, but I do not believe the case went to the US Supreme Court. Seems we would have all heard about it. The only information I have concerning the court proceedings is that the case was heard in federal court in Lincoln, NB. Roy on 6/29/05 2:22 PM, tennsgauge@... at tennsgauge@... wrote: > He still claims the UP lost a lawsuit over this issue before the Supreme > Court. It does seem reasonable that we would have read about that if it > happened. > I do not want to challenge my friend but it appears to me that there may be > some confusion about this. At least I cannot clarify this.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35979	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] An Apology re: UP Copyright

Tom Stolte is right. I do owe an apology for sending a message with incorrect information about UP and their copyrights. Please accept my apology. The source for the incorrect information I shared on Monday is someone who has signed an earlier agreement with UP that only included licensing of the UP shield and a related slogan. Yesterday he received a new licensing agreement from UP for all the fallen flags. He is refusing to sign, not just for business reasons, but because the UP law folks lied to him when he signed the earlier agreement. He is about as angry at UP as one could be. He still claims the UP lost a lawsuit over this issue before the Supreme Court. It does seem reasonable that we would have read about that if it happened. I do not want to challenge my friend but it appears to me that there may be some confusion about this. At least I cannot clarify this. I am not going to say anymore about this because it is obvious I know and understand a lot less about what is happening on this issue than I thought I did when I wrote my earlier message on the subject on Monday. I am embarrassed and hope you will accept my apology. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35980	From: trainnut2us	Date: 6/29/2005
Subject: speeder discussion on S Scale list

By my count we are up to 13 firm orders. I think the S Train list might also be interested if this was posted there. I can't see any layout pre 1960 without a need for a track crew and speeder, as I believe every section had a gang assigned. Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35981	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: Dewey,Cheatum,and Howe, etc.

We have a winner! JFred is correct, the Three Stooges used this in one of their 1938 short films. I wondered if anyone would remember their bit. Your prize is being sent from Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel. Despite the serious nature of the original story, it's nice to see we still can get a chuckle now and then. As far as the logo situation goes, if one day the hobby industry can only make us "undecorated" stuff, the more imaginative folks will be undetered. I learned long ago from that creative model railroader John Allen, that humor and imagination can go a long way in overcoming problems. Besides, if I need more money to open up a spur line to the new Stupydium mine, I can borrow it from the Rippem & Fleecem Loan Company! Stumpy Stone...President and CEO of the Flatulene Fuels Company in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35982	From: theheadliner	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: Re: UP logo use - my 2 cents

Just sent the following message to the UP through their website feedback link - "Being a life-long model railroader who has a number of pieces of Union Pacific rolling stock on my layout, not only do I have all UP rolling stock at my local hobby store being repainted and renamed, I have dumped all my stock in the company. I have no desire to be associated with a company with your greed for the last cent." Jerry _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35983	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 update

Hi All, It has been a while since I posted an update on my Pennsy S Models S Scale brass PRR X29 project. After wanting an S Scale X29 for over 10 years and trying to get them made for about 8 years, I have an additional reason to celebrate this holiday weekend. ALL of the production cars of all the versions are built. They were shipped earlier this week, and arrived at my Pops house today. While I did not want the project to take so long to complete, the end results are nothing short of stunning. I got every rivet and detail I started out to get without a single compromise. Almost every major X29 component is represented in some combination on one of the 7 versions we had made. For example, we have 4 different sides, 2 different ladders, 2 different doors, 3 different brake systems, 2 different hand brakes, 2 different trucks, 2 different cut levers, and 2 different ends, all in 120 cars made. Some versions had less than 20 pieces made. I seriously doubt that any brass builder in any scale made so many X29 sub-versions as we did. Additionally we have all stainless steel wheels and axles, and spring trucks with full brake rigging. Even the leaf spring on our 2D-F19 truck springs as well! I will now be spending most of my weekend painting the newly arrived cars. We are waiting for sheet 1 of out custom decals to arrive, which will hopefully be in the next week. This sheet has the Circle Keystone and Railway Express schemes on it. We still have to finalize the decals for the B&O, Shadow Keystone, and Merchandise Service Schemes. If you are planning on attending the National Association of S Gaugers convention http://www.amtma.org in Altoona next month, please stop by our table. We will have a few additional surprises to show you! Dan is trying to finish updating the website with some photos of new X29 versions we have, and of our future projects. I will announce that when it is completed. After all this time we are not going to be a 1 project and done company. Dan and I would like to thank everyone for being so incredibly patient with us while we upheld our promise to make the BEST X29 we possibly could make a reality. Again, it took way too long to do it, but I know you will agree that the cars are exquisite. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production cars have arrived as of 6-30-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35984	From: John Foley	Date: 6/30/2005
Subject: 05 NASG Convention

Hi Folks I was speaking to Greg Miller The NASG Altoona Convention Chairman. He asked me to remind any of you folks going to the convention about the tours organized for the conventioneers. The East Broad Top RR & Rockhill Trolley Museum Wednesday July 27th 7:30 am $55. each. Includes, A train ride Trolley ride Shop tour Lunch Proud Mary Cruise and Raytown & Swigart Auto Museum. Thursday July 28th. 7:30 am $52. each. includes, Take a ride on a Mississippi style stern wheeler and enjoy a great lunch The Museum has a great collection of antique cars and also has some very old wooden electric trains on display Website for more information http://www.trainweb.org/altoonatrain/convention.html John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35985	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis

Many thanks to those who gave me tips on things to do in Minneapolis. Unfortunately, family and friends kept me busier than expected so I didn't get to meet any of the S-Gaugers up there, but I did take John Gasal's tip to visit the BNSF Northtown rail yard and engine shop in Fridley. When you visit, park on the east side of the bridge and walk up over it for a great view of the engine shop. Pictures are on my railroad website: geocities.com/beenonboard I also took my son and grandson to the Minnesota Transportation Museum in St. Paul, thanks to tips from John and several others. Great place and great people. Getting those pictures on the website is my next project. The Museum also operates a rail line that I plan to ride the next time I'm up there. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35986	From: siroconvoy	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: HELP DOWN UNDER

Do we have any S scale members in Australia here please.I am a collector of diecast and moving into S scale trains which i got a set in from the USA from American Models and it is more then i expected it to be.The scale is just right for me with my trucks and cars for the layout that i would like to do. I am having a real hard time finding anybody down here dealing in S scale or to get information from.No hobby stores stock S scale also and have no idea in which way to point me for help but to say look to the USA and as people would now this can be very expensive for shipping. Short of that is there a book i can get to help me with as much information for the novice S scale train man down here with no idea.I really dont want to go back to HO scale as i said before the S scale system is the right size for me.Thank you for any help you can give me and i look forward to sharing what i do down here ,I hope..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35987	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Hydrocal

Although it works great, I am tired of paying a bundle for a small pkg of hydrocal for Woodland Scenics. Plaster .com offers USG hydrocal in larger quantities much cheaper. Has anyone dealt with those folks before. Also, USG has "hydrocal white" and "hydrocal hobby" products - does anyone know which is better for scenery or casting? Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35988	From: roy inman	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: UP caboose

Boy, I should know better at my age to not assume nothin'. I figured I could get a UP caboose (SHS) for my steamer after it came in. Now that SHS is abandoning the road name, and has none in stock, I am searching for one. Anyone have one for sale? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35989	From: siroconvoy	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: HELP DOWN UNDER

Do we have any S scale members in Australia here please.I am a collector of diecast and moving into S scale trains which i got a set in from the USA from American Models and it is more then i expected it to be.The scale is just right for me with my trucks and cars for the layout that i would like to do. I am having a real hard time finding anybody down here dealing in S scale or to get information from.No hobby stores stock S scale also and have no idea in which way to point me for help but to say look to the USA and as people would now this can be very expensive for shipping. Short of that is there a book i can get to help me with as much information for the novice S scale train man down here with no idea.I really dont want to go back to HO scale as i said before the S scale system is the right size for me.Thank you for any help you can give me and i look forward to sharing what i do down here ,I hope..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35990	From: stepdad56	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Re: Dewey,Cheatum,and Howe, etc.

They used Dewey Cheatem & Howe in several shorts. One that comes to mind is when Shempp inherited "a fortune" from his late uncle Mortimer. They stopped by their lawyers office aka Dewey, Cheatem & Howe and talked to an attorney there named I. Fleecem. In the end poor Shempp ended up with 67 cents after lawyers fees and damages. This short was a redo of the same one they did using Curley previously before his stroke so there are two versions out there. Ironically, in one short they played Hobo's and rode a train, it happened to be in a UP box car. :O) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > We have a winner! JFred is correct, the Three Stooges used this in > one of their 1938 short films. I wondered if anyone would remember > their bit. > Your prize is being sent from Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel. > Despite the serious nature of the original story, it's nice to see we > still can get a chuckle now and then. > As far as the logo situation goes, if one day the hobby industry can > only make us "undecorated" stuff, the more imaginative folks will be > undetered. I learned long ago from that creative model railroader > John Allen, that humor and imagination can go a long way in overcoming > problems. > Besides, if I need more money to open up a spur line to the new > Stupydium mine, I can borrow it from the Rippem & Fleecem Loan Company! > Stumpy Stone...President and CEO of the Flatulene Fuels Company in > Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35991	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 3, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35992	From: butchclimax	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Can someone shoot me a chute?

Hi Group, I own a couple of 752 Coalers that I want to piece together. What I'm hoping for is a kind soul in the group to send me some close- up photos of the rear hinged coal chute. A few overall dimensions would also really help. Thanks in Advance!! Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35993	From: Karl Raab	Date: 7/1/2005
Subject: Re: HELP DOWN UNDER

Hi, sirconvoy You might check out Railmaster exports http://www.railmaster.co.nz/ They are located in New Zealand, shipping from there has to be at least reasonable. They have quite a selection of "S" and "S narow gauge" if I remember correctly. Welcome to "S" Gauge... Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35994	From: lember2004	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: How to change AF 772 bubbler?

I have an AF 772 bubbling water tower [early small tank Colber-made version] that needs to have its bubbler tube replaced. I would appreciate info on how to take the old tube out without busting the tower. By sliding down the rubber ring at the top end of the tube, I can lift the tube out of the hole it sits in, but the tube seems too long to extract through the side of the tower. Any help will be much appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35995	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Help Down Under

If siroconvoy would like to contact me I may be able to help him with S Scale "downunder". Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35996	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: HELP DOWN UNDER

I know Australia is a mighty big continent, but you're not alone in "S" down there. I believe I have at least three customers in Australia who order from us fairly regularly. Where are you in Australia....I'll compare with their locations..... ----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- <<< From: "siroconvoy" <siroconvoy@...> Subject: HELP DOWN UNDER Do we have any S scale members in Australia here please.I am a collector of diecast and moving into S scale trains>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35997	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: To my S Friends (non-train note)

Hi all, My brother-in-law, Scott Anro passed away from Melenoma Cancer this AM. Prayers and thoughts for his family (my Sister Susan, and their two kids, Giancarlo & Holden) would be appreciated. Not likely to make it to chat this Sunday (sure enjoyed my brief visit last Sunday). We are in Dunsmuir and the family is gathering (Nephew from Hawaii, Niece from New Zeland (BTW, to the guy from down under, Cheer for the Harbor Breeze, that's the B-ball team she's on--and yes, there are S gauge RR people over there!)--so maybe a few prayers for safe travels too. Thanks much, you folks are the greatest! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35998	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: Hydrocal

Dick..... years ago when I used to do Architectural Models I used to get Hydrocal in bags at a lumber company...... take it home and put it in a big plastic garbage can with lid....then use what I needed..... check around for big bags...... not too expensive that way and you save on shipping.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hydrocal > Although it works great, I am tired of paying a bundle for a small pkg of > hydrocal for Woodland Scenics. Plaster .com offers USG hydrocal in larger > quantities much cheaper. Has anyone dealt with those folks before. Also, > USG has "hydrocal white" and "hydrocal hobby" products - does anyone know > which is better for scenery or casting? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dick > > Aurora, OH > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 35999	From: Darrell Smith	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: Hydrocal

Dick et al Hydrocal actually has several products under the Hydrocal name. Go to this site: http://www.gypsumsolutions.com/results.asp and type in hydrocal in the search window. Then scroll down to the real "Hydrocal" products. Amazingly you will not find "hydrocal hobby". I am assuming that a marketer is re-labeling one of the standard Hydrocal products to that name. As you can see, the variety of Hydrocal products includes a variety of shrinkage/expansion, setting times, and hardness depending on the intended use. Weeding through all the technical mumbo-jumbo, I would say that there are two generally available (mass market) Hydrocal products (not special order from some specialty warehouse) being Hydrocal, and Hydrocal white. The difference between the two is color, and where they are made. Otherwise they are essentially the same. Darrell S --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@a...> wrote: > Although it works great, I am tired of paying a bundle for a small pkg of > hydrocal for Woodland Scenics. Plaster .com offers USG hydrocal in larger > quantities much cheaper. Has anyone dealt with those folks before. Also, > USG has "hydrocal white" and "hydrocal hobby" products - does anyone know > which is better for scenery or casting? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dick > > Aurora, OH > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36000	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: To my S Friends (non-train note)

David..... we will keep prayers for you and your family..... I still appreciate the help this list gave me when my Debbie passed away 20 1/2 months ago..... Let us know how to help.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] To my S Friends (non-train note) > Hi all, > My brother-in-law, Scott Anro passed away from Melenoma Cancer this AM. > Prayers and thoughts for his family (my Sister Susan, and their two > kids, Giancarlo & Holden) would be appreciated. Not likely to make it > to chat this Sunday (sure enjoyed my brief visit last Sunday). We are > in Dunsmuir and the family is gathering (Nephew from Hawaii, Niece from > New Zeland (BTW, to the guy from down under, Cheer for the Harbor > Breeze, that's the B-ball team she's on--and yes, there are S gauge RR > people over there!)--so maybe a few prayers for safe travels too. > Thanks much, you folks are the greatest! > S' > David D. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36001	From: roy inman	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: UP Caboose

Ah ha, no wonder I haven't had any replies but yours. I am not too fond of the AM or AF versions. Shame that SHS did not make any, and now it is too late. Probably someone has offered one in brass. Then again, maybe not... I was noticing in a catalog that has HO stuff, that UP items from some manufacturers are "slightly higher." Does not say how much higher. If UP gets court approval on ownership of all the fallen flags they assimilated, then it could come to pass that SHS and others might abandon those road names as well, or increase the cost to us. And not to add more misery, but a fried at KCS tells me that the other six class I railroads are watching the UP machinations to see how it plays out, and may follow suit. Or not. But it sounds like a disturbing trend. Nothing against lawyers and accountants. Some of my best friends fit into those professional categories. But what we are seeing in the UP drama is what happens when as a society we give so much power to those two groups. We are a nation governed by laws and lawyers, run by bean counters, and losing more common sense every day, IMHO. Roy Inman on 7/2/05 12:14 PM, Scott at srbrown@... wrote: > Roy, to my knowledge SHS never made a UP caboose. The only ones I've found > are the American Models one, AF, and Hobby Surplus (AF repaint). I don't > know much about brass yet, but I'll bet there must be a brass one out there. > I'd like to find a nice UP caboose myself if anyone knows where to find one. > > > Scott Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36002	From: RAHosmer@aol.com	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: Changing email

What is the procedure for changing one's email address of record, for automatically receiving messages from the group? Must one unsubscribe and then resubscribe, or, since I believe this to be a semi-monitored board, will the following suffice? Change "rahosmer@..." to "rahosmer@..." Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36003	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: DL&W DCC Sound Phase II A&B F-3s for sale up on eBay starts at $1.00

I just put my brand new never opened DL&W DCC Sound Phase II A&B F-3s up on ebay. Brand spanking new, never run, in the box (never even removed) DL&W #2 DCC Sound Phase II F-3 A & B units. Stock #00369. I paid $500 + shipping for this beauty. This set has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. I only removed the plastic to take the pictures. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. ebay item # 5985209691. --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36004	From: roy inman	Date: 7/2/2005
Subject: UP caboose II

Well, UP fans (I use the phrase with tongue firmly planted in cheek) I did in fact discover that SHS produced a UP caboose. It is from the 2004 catalog, item #01499. Does anyone have one for sale? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36005	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2005
Subject: Re: UP caboose II

Try the train shop in San Dimas Ca. They have alot of older AM & ShS. I don't have their # but it can be found in CTT in the dealers section in the back, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36006	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/3/2005
Subject: New - Rare Gilbert Catalog online at MyFlyerTrains.Org!

I hope that all of you are having a great summer, and between your outdoor activities you are finding time to enjoy American Flyer Trains. In celebration of the 4th, I am pleased to announce that another catalog has been added to MyFlyerTrains.Org courtesy of Bob Conner. The 1956 Dealer Display Catalog #D1882 has to be one of the rarer pieces of Gilbert paper, and when Bob loaned it to me for scanning (along with several other rare pieces of Gilbert paper), I noted that it was something I hadn't seen before. So enjoy the new catalog, and have a great holiday! Go to http://www.myflyertrains.org Then, click the "1956 Dealer Display Catalog" link in the July 3, 2005 Mail Line. Later... Chuck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36007	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/3/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 3, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36008	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY

This is your S-Trains Sponsor - HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY! More American Flyer goodies for sale at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36009	From: Ironhorse	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: Re: Hydrocal

About Hydrocal. I used this product years ago. In my opinion it is the same as ordinary plaster. The drying time is the same. It weighs the same. It might be possibly stronger. I never walked on my mountains to find out. It was a bit more expensive. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36010	From: Ironhorse	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: Plaster setting

Some of you may find this scenery tip helpfull. In regards to drying time of plaster. Mix normaly until the consistancy of chocolate pudding. Just before it sets add water and mix again. do this a couple of more times . Now the plaster will not dry/set for a number of hours. I discovered this by accident. I was working with my scenery remixing plaster. The next day my mix was still useable. So I applied it and it dried a few hours later. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36011	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: Photos of 20550 Frontiersman Set Posted

Please visit my photo gallery on Paul Yorke's excellent web site at: http://s-scale.org/albums/album27 I have posted a series of photos of my 20550 Frontiersman Passenger set in an album near the bottom of my gallery. Please enjoy all the photos in all my galleries and then feel free to visit all the other great photos in all the other great S-gauge galleries on Paul's site. Happy Fourth of July!!!!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36012	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/4/2005
Subject: new AM choices

Anyone see the Wabash trainmaster? very pretty may have to get one but wish they would do a hudson and cannonball passenger set.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36013	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/5/2005
Subject: UP Boycott

Instead of re-painting UP trains and ruining whatever value they may have, I would like to see toy train enthusiasts cover up the UP logo and markings on all UP equipment with some sort of temporary sticker that says something like "Greedy Railroad Corporation". All other colors and markings could stay, especially those that would hint which railroad is being referenced. Maybe this would draw some negative publicity toward the railroad at train shows and further the discussion amongst model railroad enthusiasts. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36014	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: updated S list

Hello, everyone. My July AF list offering over 350 items was emailed out on Monday. If you did not receive a copy and would like one, please email me. It will be sent as a word attachment.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36015	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: UP boycott

Good idea Joe! How about a piece of electrical tape cut to square to cover the UP shield and a decal with your proposed "Greedy" railroad applied to that? Electrical tape peals off much easier than masking tape if left on for a long time and the sticky stuff left behind rubs off with your finger. On the other hand why not just park all that UP equipment in the back of your yard in one place and "bury" it with other cars as if there's an embargo on shipments to UP. Or maybe they're all sitting on the rip track awaiting repairs, but your railroad can't get the "go ahead" to repair them because the cheap UP won't pay for it! On the other hand, I've heard from my hobby dealer that the rate UP is charging is less than what Lionel charges for use of their logo. Maybe we ought to find out more about this situation before we deface all our UP rolling stock. Stumpy Stone...off to work in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36016	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: Good use for an old accessory

OK, I'm very late with this-awlile back, someone asked about the ancient L rheostats. I've found a use for them. If you have a passing siding and locking the e-unit in forward is not acceptable, try this:insulate the siding right at both switches. Install a power clip, wire the base post to the transformer. Then put the variable thru the rheostat then to the clip. Voila! You can have a controlled stall voltage to your engine so the e-unit doesn't cycle, the smoke trickles out of the stack, and you can smoothly re-enter your main line without changing the voltage on the main. Plus, you have a really neat "what the hey is THAT?" item on your control area-John Marganski --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36017	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott

How about if you have any junk UP stuff just sending it to their corp. offices...Mike PS: U might try looking for junk HO at train shows & send it ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36018	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/6/2005
Subject: MOW cars

I notice that the Western Depot is selling a four-pack of silver right of way MOW cars for $100.00. There is also a tank car for $29.95. I have not seen these before. Information says they are K-Line, and an exclusive with Western Depot. An interesting looking set of cars I thought. https://ssl.sierraplaza.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=285&osCsid=952415be147 ece727d08e36508fc96bd Is the link. If it doesn't work, just do a Google search for Western Depot, then go to WD exclusives. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36019	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago

Good Morning. Ed brought up the Ambroid plow that was on eBay that sold for over $100.00. The photos showed it was a first class model, completely built, with highrail wheels and coupler. (Singular on the coupler.) A couple of weeks later several KITS showed up. They sold for far less. I did not bid. This was, perhaps, the first thing I bid on using eBay. I ran it up from about $62.00 to about $77.00, raising one dollar at a time. I was INSTANTLY outbid each time. Not understanding eBay I was wondering who the heck is out there with their wideband connection overbidding me! (I was using a dial-up.) Now I know better. I would have maxed at $100.00 or more and let eBay do the bidding for this ready-to-run model. I still want one. Anyone have a build-up, ready-to-run, highrail Ambroid snowplow in excellent shape they would let go for $100.00 or so including shipping? If so, please contact me off list. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36020	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago

Dear Roy: My wife finds me amazing. I will bid my maximum bid and LOG OFF! If the auction ends on Friday evening, I find out on MONDAY when I next check e-mail. As I said, Catherine finds me amazing. I rarely have regrets if I didn't get it as I have already put on the maximum I will spend. (Sometimes I go back and bid again just to raise my maximum. I haven't yet figured out how to raise my maximum when I am the current high bidder.) The plow got away from me and I hadn't reached my limit -- I was just frustrated by being forever outbid. (I didn't know the rules then.) Last, it was a beautiful, built up model: not a kit. Have a great day! Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:22 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago Marty, Many eBay nerds use two screens. One to place the bid, the other to watch the update that eBay publishes toward the end of an auction. I have waited up til the wee hours and missed getting items by a fraction of a second. Wish I could help with the snowplow kit. Roy Inman From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:35:44 -0500 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago Good Morning. Ed brought up the Ambroid plow that was on eBay that sold for over $100.00. The photos showed it was a first class model, completely built, with highrail wheels and coupler. (Singular on the coupler.) A couple of weeks later several KITS showed up. They sold for far less. I did not bid. This was, perhaps, the first thing I bid on using eBay. I ran it up from about $62.00 to about $77.00, raising one dollar at a time. I was INSTANTLY outbid each time. Not understanding eBay I was wondering who the heck is out there with their wideband connection overbidding me! (I was using a dial-up.) Now I know better. I would have maxed at $100.00 or more and let eBay do the bidding for this ready-to-run model. I still want one. Anyone have a build-up, ready-to-run, highrail Ambroid snowplow in excellent shape they would let go for $100.00 or so including shipping? If so, please contact me off list. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36021	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott

If you send it and leave off the return address and postage..... willl they still deliver with POSTAGE DUE on it? Bob PS....I am not putting tape on my 994's or other UP stuff ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <mrstumpy@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP boycott > How about if you have any junk UP stuff just sending it to their corp. > offices...Mike > PS: U might try looking for junk HO at train shows & send it > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36022	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Ebay stopwatch.....

Guys.... I still use the old stopwatch...... click refresh...hit timer....... say 58 seconds to go I set mark at 10 seconds..... enter amount,,,,,, at 10 sec.... Hit ENTER...... can get to within 1 to 4 seconds easy with practice.... Bob Many eBay nerds use two screens. One to place the bid, the other to watch the update that eBay publishes toward the end of an auction. I have waited up til the wee hours and missed getting items by a fraction of a second. Wish I could help with the snowplow kit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36023	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott

On Thursday, July 7, 2005, at 08:50 AM, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > If you send it and leave off the return address and postage..... willl > they > still deliver with POSTAGE DUE on it? > Bob NO NO NO It will go to the dead letter office and if they can not find the senders name and address in side it will be discarded. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... The 50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is 90% probability you'll get it wrong.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36024	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago

and he notes - The one good thing about eBay on items you wished you had bid on is the fact that another will turn up eventually, especially if it sells for a good price. Before long more will come out of the woodwork. Raising your own maximum, even when you are the high bidder is done by placing a new bid. The current selling price will not go up until someone bids against it or outbids your new maximum. The fact that a snowplow sold for $100.00 doesn't mean the high bid was a hundred. That was as high as the second highest bidder went. The winner might have bid much more to insure a win. When I REALLY want something, I go in at the last minute and bid high. I remember one auction going off at $40.00 and I bid $100.00 and lost! A few days later another model came up and I got it for 50 bucks. Patience pays off... Try Lee McCarty for a snowplow. I think he had 30 or so at last count. Raleigh <snip> At 09:34 AM 7/7/2005, Marty.Thorin wrote: >Dear Roy: > My wife finds me amazing. I will bid my maximum bid and LOG >OFF! If the auction ends on Friday evening, I find out on MONDAY when I >next check e-mail. As I said, Catherine finds me amazing. > I rarely have regrets if I didn't get it as I have already put >on the maximum I will spend. (Sometimes I go back and bid again just to >raise my maximum. I haven't yet figured out how to raise my maximum >when I am the current high bidder.) > The plow got away from me and I hadn't reached my limit -- I was >just frustrated by being forever outbid. (I didn't know the rules >then.) > >Last, it was a beautiful, built up model: not a kit. > >Have a great day! >Thorin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] >Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:22 AM >To: Marty.Thorin >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago > >Marty, >Many eBay nerds use two screens. One to place the bid, the other to >watch the update that eBay publishes toward the end of an auction. I >have waited up til the wee hours and missed getting items by a fraction >of a second. >Wish I could help with the snowplow kit. >Roy Inman > >From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> >Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:35:44 -0500 >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago > >Good Morning. > Ed brought up the Ambroid plow that was on eBay that sold for over >$100.00. The photos showed it was a first class model, completely >built, with highrail wheels and coupler. (Singular on the coupler.) A >couple of weeks later several KITS showed up. They sold for far less. > I did not bid. > >This was, perhaps, the first thing I bid on using eBay. I ran it up >from about $62.00 to about $77.00, raising one dollar at a time. >I was INSTANTLY outbid each time. Not understanding eBay I was >wondering who the heck is out there with their wideband connection >overbidding me! (I was using a dial-up.) Now I know better. I would >have maxed at $100.00 or more and let eBay do the bidding for this >ready-to-run model. > >I still want one. Anyone have a build-up, ready-to-run, highrail >Ambroid snowplow in excellent shape they would let go for $100.00 or >so including shipping? If so, please contact me off list. > >Thorin > > >To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use >REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > >Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or >photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36025	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago

Raising your bid...... easy just go back and enter a new bid amount....... your old bid stays in place..... limit is higher...... I recently wanted an item so bad..... +- 700 that I put in a 2147,21 bid with 15 seconds left....within the last few seconds someone tried to out snipe me at 720....... I got it .... CAREFUL..... this can be dangerous as someone could have just thrown a 2000.00 bid to be safe...... see what I mean! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> Cc: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago > Dear Roy: > My wife finds me amazing. I will bid my maximum bid and LOG > OFF! If the auction ends on Friday evening, I find out on MONDAY when I > next check e-mail. As I said, Catherine finds me amazing. > I rarely have regrets if I didn't get it as I have already put > on the maximum I will spend. (Sometimes I go back and bid again just to > raise my maximum. I haven't yet figured out how to raise my maximum > when I am the current high bidder.) > The plow got away from me and I hadn't reached my limit -- I was > just frustrated by being forever outbid. (I didn't know the rules > then.) > > Last, it was a beautiful, built up model: not a kit. > > Have a great day! > Thorin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:22 AM > To: Marty.Thorin > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago > > Marty, > Many eBay nerds use two screens. One to place the bid, the other to > watch the update that eBay publishes toward the end of an auction. I > have waited up til the wee hours and missed getting items by a fraction > of a second. > Wish I could help with the snowplow kit. > Roy Inman > > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:35:44 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago > > Good Morning. > Ed brought up the Ambroid plow that was on eBay that sold for over > $100.00. The photos showed it was a first class model, completely > built, with highrail wheels and coupler. (Singular on the coupler.) A > couple of weeks later several KITS showed up. They sold for far less. > I did not bid. > > This was, perhaps, the first thing I bid on using eBay. I ran it up > from about $62.00 to about $77.00, raising one dollar at a time. > I was INSTANTLY outbid each time. Not understanding eBay I was > wondering who the heck is out there with their wideband connection > overbidding me! (I was using a dial-up.) Now I know better. I would > have maxed at $100.00 or more and let eBay do the bidding for this > ready-to-run model. > > I still want one. Anyone have a build-up, ready-to-run, highrail > Ambroid snowplow in excellent shape they would let go for $100.00 or > so including shipping? If so, please contact me off list. > > Thorin > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36026	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago

Guys.... I still use the old stopwatch...... click refresh...hit timer....... say 58 seconds to go I set mark at 10 seconds..... enter amount,,,,,, at 10 sec.... Hit ENTER...... can get to within 1 to 4 seconds easy with practice.... Bob Many eBay nerds use two screens. One to place the bid, the other to watch the update that eBay publishes toward the end of an auction. I have waited up til the wee hours and missed getting items by a fraction of a second. Wish I could help with the snowplow kit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...>; "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Cc: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago > Raising your bid...... easy just go back and enter a new bid amount....... > your old bid stays in place..... limit is higher...... I recently wanted > an item so bad..... +- 700 that I put in a 2147,21 bid with 15 seconds > left....within the last few seconds someone tried to out snipe me at > 720....... I got it .... CAREFUL..... this can be dangerous as someone > could have just thrown a 2000.00 bid to be safe...... see what I mean! Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > To: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > Cc: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:34 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago > > >> Dear Roy: >> My wife finds me amazing. I will bid my maximum bid and LOG >> OFF! If the auction ends on Friday evening, I find out on MONDAY when I >> next check e-mail. As I said, Catherine finds me amazing. >> I rarely have regrets if I didn't get it as I have already put >> on the maximum I will spend. (Sometimes I go back and bid again just to >> raise my maximum. I haven't yet figured out how to raise my maximum >> when I am the current high bidder.) >> The plow got away from me and I hadn't reached my limit -- I was >> just frustrated by being forever outbid. (I didn't know the rules >> then.) >> >> Last, it was a beautiful, built up model: not a kit. >> >> Have a great day! >> Thorin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:22 AM >> To: Marty.Thorin >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago >> >> Marty, >> Many eBay nerds use two screens. One to place the bid, the other to >> watch the update that eBay publishes toward the end of an auction. I >> have waited up til the wee hours and missed getting items by a fraction >> of a second. >> Wish I could help with the snowplow kit. >> Roy Inman >> >> From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> >> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:35:44 -0500 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [S-Trains] Ambroid Plow on eBay year(s) ago >> >> Good Morning. >> Ed brought up the Ambroid plow that was on eBay that sold for over >> $100.00. The photos showed it was a first class model, completely >> built, with highrail wheels and coupler. (Singular on the coupler.) A >> couple of weeks later several KITS showed up. They sold for far less. >> I did not bid. >> >> This was, perhaps, the first thing I bid on using eBay. I ran it up >> from about $62.00 to about $77.00, raising one dollar at a time. >> I was INSTANTLY outbid each time. Not understanding eBay I was >> wondering who the heck is out there with their wideband connection >> overbidding me! (I was using a dial-up.) Now I know better. I would >> have maxed at $100.00 or more and let eBay do the bidding for this >> ready-to-run model. >> >> I still want one. Anyone have a build-up, ready-to-run, highrail >> Ambroid snowplow in excellent shape they would let go for $100.00 or >> so including shipping? If so, please contact me off list. >> >> Thorin >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36027	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott

I share the disgust being expressed about Union Pacific. But if one really wants a UP loco or piece of rolling stock offered by an S gauge manufacturer, he should buy it and use it. The only persons hurt by boycotting are, first, the person who is doing without something he wants, and the S manufacturer who has invested to offer the product. The effect of the boycott on UP will never be noticed. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36028	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: UP Boycott

Before you guys go out and multilate your UP equipment, consider what you have. If it's AF, there are some very desirable and pricey items that are painted UP that Gilbert made - 4-8-4's, GP7's, PA1's, F9's, passenger cars, stock cars, hoppers, and then whatever Lionel made. Also consider the other railroads now under UP ownership, and what AF made from those roads: MP PA1's, passenger cars, boxcars and stockcars, ART reefers, T&P Baldwins, GP7's, and gondolas, C&EI hoppers, MKT boxcars, SP flat cars, Rio Grande boxcars, M&StL Baldwins and boxcars, CNW 4-6-2's, Baldwins, reefers, and flatcars, and maybe there is more than I left out.. You're only hurting yourself, not the UP, by damaging what was made many years ago, in a different environment when railroads encouraged model train makers to make models of their trains. If it's anything other than AF, think about how much the manufactuer paid UP for the trains you own - likely nothing, since the licensing agreement is pretty new. So you can laugh at UP, knowing you have trains not licensed by them. And why buy UP trains just to send back to them? If you don't want to pay for their licencing fee, why pay any attention to them at all? Just don't buy anything UP. If UP increases their fee and manufacturers quit making equpment from UP and the other roads assimilated into it, it's likely to become more valauable, and again, if you have wrecked it, it's your loss. And even tape can leave it's mark permanently - I speak from experience - so even some temporary covering of UP marks is not advisable. I don't know all the details of the licensing agreement, but UP claims that some manufacturers won't have to pay anything. I wish someone would elaborate what are some of the details of the license. Don't forget that CSX also has a licensing agreemnent now, too. I think S Helper Service is doing the right thing to discontinue making UP stuff. The next question is, what are the other railroads going to do? Locomotives and cars might cost a lot more if the rest of the railroads join UP in wanting licensing fees. There will still be some railroads that we could model without interference - NYO&W and Rio Grande Southern come to mind. We don't need our hobby to get any more expensive. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36029	From: Ken Garber	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Un UP schemes

If you like the paint scheme but object to the UP lettering, perhaps the manufacturers can produce this loco without lettering (as some do now without roadnumbers) and you can then letter it to your liking. :) http://home.cogeco.ca/~railroad/Model/projects/CEFX2795.jpg Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36030	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Ambroid plow on eBay year(s) ago

I've found the way not to loose out on favorite S scale or American Flyer trains on eBay is to use one of the various automated sniper services that you can find by a Google search. The one I use will place an automated bid up to 5 seconds before an auction closes. It isn't foolproof, however, as I'll explain in a moment. Here's a recent example from my own experience. I was bidding on a paper item -- a 1950 A.F. catalog. Bids started at $9.99. They rose to $18, $20 and finally $23. I never actually placed a bid, just watching the progression but seconds before the auction closed my "snipe" was placed automatically, giving me the win at $23.50. I've won auctions this way by as little as one cent. The hazard is that eBay's servers may be so busy that a sniper service can't get in but it does save staying up until the "wee" hours of the morning. One way to protect yourself is to actually place a bid on eBay using as a dollar figure almost the tops you're willing to pay and to place a protective bid through a snipe service, in effect sniping yourself. Example: an item starts at $9.99. You think it might sell for $80-$120. An A.F. C&NW 4-6-2 in operator grade condition might be a good example. So you actually bid $90 on eBay and place a protective snipe at, say, $125. If the open bidding on eBay reaches the high end, you'll still win. No, I don't have an Ambroid plow either. But, who knows when one might turn up? Even rarer, in built-up state by a master model railroader who could cope with the scores of wood and metal parts packed in those Ambroid kits. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36031	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott

Do you really think they care? Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36032	From: David Engle	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP boycott

Have we reached the point where it is costing them more than they are gaining? -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlmarmer Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:05 AM To: mrstumpy@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; anormal1@...; ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP boycott Do you really think they care? Mike Marmer S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36033	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Union Pacific

Why is it when it comes to trains, people in this hobby think we should be exempt from the laws that govern licensing? Everything else in this world is licensed and nobody on this board complains about that. How many of you out there own items from Coke, Pepsi, Nascar, Tommy Hilfiger, etc? If Union Pacific wants to collect royalties, that's their right. I for one am disappointed that S Helper didn't step up to the plate like other manufacturers and get licensed. If Union Pacific starts pushing on their fallen flags licensing and CSX does the same, there is going to be very slim pickings when it comes to available roadnames. We also talk about getting new blood into this hobby in the form of young people. People tend to model the trains they see when they're growing up. There are only a handful of major railroads left in the United States. In the future if kids can't get UP or CSX in S, where do you think they'll go? Instead of complaining to deaf ears at Union Pacific, I think we need to tell S Helper that they need to look at the future and get licensed. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36034	From: lastman	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL ?

Hi all , What is a good or safe humidty level for our pre + post war era trains ? Should it be for the whole house,etc or just the train area ? as i was asked this question recently and believe that a 40 % level would be good , please post your response's to the list for all to see , Thank you in advance , Gino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36035	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

On Thursday, July 7, 2005, at 07:41 PM, kenwoodies1 wrote: > Why is it when it comes to trains, people in this hobby think we > should be exempt from the laws that govern licensing? Everything else > in this world is licensed and nobody on this board complains about > that. How many of you out there own items from Coke, Pepsi, Nascar, > Tommy Hilfiger, etc? If Union Pacific wants to collect royalties, > that's their right. I for one am disappointed that S Helper didn't > step up to the plate like other manufacturers and get licensed. If > Union Pacific starts pushing on their fallen flags licensing and CSX > does the same, there is going to be very slim pickings when it comes > to available roadnames. We also talk about getting new blood into > this hobby in the form of young people. People tend to model the > trains they see when they're growing up. There are only a handful of > major railroads left in the United States. In the future if kids > can't get UP or CSX in S, where do you think they'll go? Instead of > complaining to deaf ears at Union Pacific, I think we need to tell S > Helper that they need to look at the future and get licensed. Jim > Duncan You are 100% correct but they do not own the logos any more. The let the hobby use them for 50 years with out doing any thing about it. So to repeat they do not own them any more. They are public domain Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... I wish the buck stopped here as I could use a few

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36036	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP Boycott

Please send any UP AF S items to me, if you don't want them. O:)! I will take any 994 or 24076 Stock Cars you don't want. And I am sure you will gadly get rid of those pesky 994 cars for nothing, since you are really "steamed" at UP. And don't forget the UP passenger sets too. Oh, you can include any 971 and 24016 Joe and Moe's, since I think UP now owns SP. UP does not care about any boycott in the hobby world, sadly. LOL Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36037	From: David Engle	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Un UP schemes

Also, the short line Cedar Rapids and Iowa City RR, known from traction days as CRandIC, had (maybe still has) SW-9s painted UP colors but with their own lettering.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36038	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: UP Boycott

Mike Marmer and Gang Mike, everyone knows that I am the number one collector of UP engines and cars, all should be sent to me here in the heart of Union Pacific operations, "Jacksonville, UPFlorida. REcently had my UP Northern converted with a slo-motion motor and Dallee Sounds that say UP UP UP UP UP UP UP all over the Jax S Ville layout. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Date: 2005/07/07 Thu PM 07:44:31 EDT > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, > "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> > CC: "Joseph Lechner" <Joseph.Lechner@...>, > "Jerry Matsick" <mtoytrain@...>, > "Ralph Loveless" <RalCor888@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP Boycott > > Please send any UP AF S items to me, if you don't want them. > > O:)! > > I will take any 994 or 24076 Stock Cars you don't want. > > And I am sure you will gadly get rid of those pesky 994 cars for nothing, > since you are really "steamed" at UP. > > And don't forget the UP passenger sets too. > > Oh, you can include any 971 and 24016 Joe and Moe's, since I think UP now > owns SP. > > UP does not care about any boycott in the hobby world, sadly. > > LOL > > Mike Marmer > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36039	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/7/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

Boy we are on the same page, buck-wise, Larry :) But I read a communication from Brenda something-or-other, UP's go-to gal concerning IP, that the UP has in fact won the legal rights to the SP logs, and they are working on court approval for ownership of all the other fallen flags. So while you and I and darn near everybody else in the Western World thinks those logos are in the public domain, the only opinion that counts is the judge's. Roy Inman > From: ljack70117@... > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:21:33 -0400 > To: kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > You are 100% correct but they do not own the logos any more. The let > the hobby use them for 50 years with out doing any thing about it. So > to repeat they do not own them any more. They are public domain > Thank you > Larry Jackman > ljack70117@... > I wish the buck stopped here as I could use a few > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36040	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: UP Boycott

Dear Don, How about repainting those cars as Onion Pacific instead. That would accurately describe the bad taste left in the mouths of former supporters and modelers of the greedy UP who now no longer care. Or better yet, repaint them as the Showcase Line. About 1/3 of my rolling stock says American Flyer Line. Or sell them painted with no decals and let some third party supply the after market decals from some offshore country that cares not for our laws but has all of our jobs. Let UP recover its licensing fees from China or India. Even if the law provides that UP can charge licensing fees, after 50 years as public domain it is not fair to those who who started their layouts at a time when this was not an issue and have time and money invested in the UP logo and in modeling that particular railroad. If the model railroaders appear to be the future income stream for UP, all we have to do is wait and the UP will soon go the way of all the other badly run railroads that went before. It will meet its demise and become just another fallen flag. I can wait, Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36041	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL ?

I have kept my train room humidity at 55% for the last 10 years with no damage to the trains and no rust. Here in Pennsylvania the normal humidity is low in the Winter but in the Summer the dehumidifier runs all the time. Glenn http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/belfry.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "lastman" <lastman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL ? > Hi all , What is a good or safe humidty level for our pre + post war era trains ? > > Should it be for the whole house,etc or just the train area ? > > as i was asked this question recently and believe that a 40 % level would be good , please post your response's to the list for all to see , > > Thank you in advance , Gino > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36042	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: UP Boycott

Would it still be copy write infringement if the manufacturers were to simply change the UP letters to PU? Bill G [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36043	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

Lionel and Athern have challenged and apparently lost, in federal district court in Lincoln, NB. And if I had the bucks, I would mount another challenge in another court and yet another until all appeals were either exhausted or until we got a favorable verdict. All it takes is money, and lots of it... Roy > From: ljack70117@... > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:36:10 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific > > But nobody is challenging them on this basis. Some one needs to walk > into court with models from the 40s/50s and point out to the court that > they never protected them in the last 50/60 years. This would take a > manufacturer with the money to do so. Produce UP lettered items and > ignore the stop order letter from the UP lawyers and force the UP to > sue. When I win the lottery I will do it. > Thank you

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36044	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

Hey guys..... How about more B, C & G stock........ Buffalo, Creek and Gauley RR.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36045	From: Phil K	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL DEFINED

I run a dehumidifier all summer long to keep the humidity in our basement at 50 percent or less. The basement is also air conditioned. I have some expensive woodworking tools -- and common and exotic woods -- as well as much vintage Flyer down there -- so I did some research to find optimum humidity levels. Experts say rust begins to form at 66 percent humidity. Mold can begin forming at 60 percent humidity. So I keep the basement at 50 percent just to be cautious. I have digital meters both four feet off the ground and at ground level in several places around the basement. I have also noted the humidity level will drop over time if I turn on the incandescent spotlights over my layout, sometimes as much as 10 percent. Guarding against mold is important because it can slowly destroy the valuable original cardboard boxes used to package Flyer sets -- you've undoubtably seen the results of mold on set boxes sold at train shows and on eBay. Cardboard (cellulose fibers) is a humidity sponge and the boxes just begin to disintegrate over time. I make custom furniture as a second hobby and needed to know all about wood properties (wood is cellulose fibers). That's why wood expands and contracts with humidity changes -- and furniture cracks. Each different wood has its own characteristics. In furniture making, pine, for instance, "moves" a lot more than white oak because it is much more porous and accepts humidity more readily. And so when making joints, I have to consider the type of wood and direction of movement so the stuff doesn't "explode." And at what time of year I'm assembling the piece -- one winter (dry time in Chicago) I made a solid oak dining table as a wedding gift for a couple in Atlanta. I had to carefully calculate fitting the mortice and tenon joints and tabletop for Atlanta's high humidity while using wood during the "dry" season in Chicago. Proud to say, after four years, the table still is rock solid. A good rule of thumb is that if your wooden doors and windows in the house get "tight" during the humid season, the humidity level is much too high. Phil K ___________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@v...> wrote: > I have kept my train room > humidity at 55% for the > last 10 years with no damage > to the trains and no rust. Here > in Pennsylvania the normal > humidity is low in the Winter > but in the Summer the dehumidifier > runs all the time. > > Glenn > http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/belfry.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lastman" <lastman@n...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:00 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] SAFE HUMDITY LEVEL ? > > > > Hi all , What is a good or safe humidty level for our pre + post war > era trains ? > > > > Should it be for the whole house,etc or just the train area ? > > > > as i was asked this question recently and believe that a 40 % level > would be good , please post your response's to the list for all to see , > > > > Thank you in advance , Gino > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36046	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific

The Mack Rail Bus would be nice. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:54:12 -0700 To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific Hey guys..... How about more B, C & G stock........ Buffalo, Creek and Gauley RR.... Bob S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36047	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 10, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36048	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: UP boycott...let's wrap it UP!

Y'all...This is the way of the corperate world, it makes me want to throw UP. I've had it UP to here with UP. Wise UP everybody and give UP. This thread is used UP. I'm about ready to UPchuck! Stumpy Stone...wrapping UP in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36049	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/8/2005
Subject: B C & G

My Uncle Ray used to run it...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "BENJAMIN PERRY" <benperry1@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific The Mack Rail Bus would be nice. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:54:12 -0700 To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific Hey guys..... How about more B, C & G stock........ Buffalo, Creek and Gauley RR.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36050	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Re: B C & G

I rode it years ago on a round trip from Swandale, who knows it might have been with him. Met the mty coal train going to Widen. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:13:30 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] B C & G My Uncle Ray used to run it...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "BENJAMIN PERRY" <benperry1@...> To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific The Mack Rail Bus would be nice. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:54:12 -0700 To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Union Pacific Hey guys..... How about more B, C & G stock........ Buffalo, Creek and Gauley RR.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36051	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Latest finds

Barb and Gang...... Todays mailman brought me a package...... The FRANKLIN SET....... every thing really nice....... poss nicer than the one at York...... I noted a stamp saying "instructions under box"....... TOO MUCH TO HOPE FOR...... There they were.....NEVER BEEN OPENED..... Truck on 20 car was loose...... but there was the nut and screw...... Fixed it..... Box has some rubs...... but not like the big piece of tape on the York boxed set...... I won't sleep all weekend now...... BTW.... Went to Deland...... found a lot of stuff...... got there about a 1/2 hour before Mark..... Found a big box of Control Buttons,,,,,, Pulled 20 real nice ones out.....mail car, talking station etc.....all good ones.....passed on all the uncoupler buttons!!!!.... 3'50 each.... found a boxed 1120 set with only track, trestle, flat car in it..... 120.00 But the guy said it was a set.... so he added a LN 293.... a nice 3 didget and 5 didget NH box cars and a caboose.......to fill the box..... I know...its supposed to have a 307, etc...... then there was the guy sellinf flyer at 30% off...... I got there first.......WOW What a day.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36052	From: Mike Vana	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: UP Boycott

Roy Inman wrote: Lionel and Athern have challenged and apparently lost, in federal district court in Lincoln, NB. A couple things: Lincoln is in Nebraska (NE). NB is New Brunswick in Canada. Athearn and UP settled out of court. As far as I know, Lionel and UP are still at odds. This puzzles me: Is a manufacturer supposed to pay a fee for any UP model, or just if a herald is used?. It seems to me that making a model without a herald would not make it necessary to have a licensing agreement. There are certainly plenty of locos and cars - especially later steam locos, and diesel hood units, switchers, and B units before around the mid 1970's, passenger cars, and many freight cars that never had UP emblems. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36053	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Re: new name for railroads

Colorado has had about 100 abandoned railroads through its 100 year span, many of them have shown up on model trains in the past. I am sure that eastern railroads have an abundant number of abandoned road names to pick from. Let's not worry about the one to two that want us to pay for their name. I prefer the unique names, Colorado Midland, Rio Grand Southern, Nickle Plate, Reading and ETC, ETC. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36054	From: Chris Burger	Date: 7/9/2005
Subject: Unusual trains

Hi Everyone, Living here in Downtown Dayton, Ohio, I see all kinds of unusual trains. Today, I saw what looked to be a UP engine. Looks to be a leased engine for either CSX or NS. Was the UP paint scheme with some smaller letters. I'll let you know the letters when I see them again. Run em gray and yellow without the UP logo and lease them to your own rail lines. CB Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36055	From: Bob W.	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: repro seaboard coaler

I missed place my notes on the Repo from Lionel on the Seaboard coaler and the electromagnetic crane. Can someone give me the coler code wiring . It isnt marked on the screws. I tryed trial and error and think I got it right but would like to just double check my work. thanks. bob W. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36056	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Re: Unusual trains

I see BNSF locos at the NS Buckeye yard here in Columbus a lot. saw some x amtrak locos at the csx parsons yard one was painted for the ohio central and the other still had amtrak stripes on it. --- Chris Burger <cbtrainnut@...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > Living here in Downtown Dayton, Ohio, I see all > kinds of unusual trains. Today, I saw what looked to > be a UP engine. Looks to be a leased engine for > either CSX or NS. Was the UP paint scheme with some > smaller letters. I'll let you know the letters when > I see them again. Run em gray and yellow without > the UP logo and lease them to your own rail lines. > CB > > > > Chris Burger, Manager > Elizabeth Station Toy Trains > 1205 East Third Street > Dayton, Ohio 45402 > 937-222-7251 or toll free > 1-877-train90 > 1-877-872-4690 Orders only > cbtrainnut@... > NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG > www.elizabethstation.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36057	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 10, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36058	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2723

The Louisville and Indiana has some old UP locomotives on which they have done little other than paint out the words Union Pacific. Although, since the L&I runs only from Louisville to Indianapolis, I would be surprised to see any of their equipment in Dayton unless it was being ferried somewher for service. Vic Bereskin > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:23:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Burger <cbtrainnut@...> > Subject: Unusual trains > > Hi Everyone, > Living here in Downtown Dayton, Ohio, I see all kinds of unusual trains. > Today, I saw what looked to be a UP engine. Looks to be a leased engine > for either CSX or NS. Was the UP paint scheme with some smaller letters. > I'll let you know the letters when I see them again. Run em gray and > yellow without the UP logo and lease them to your own rail lines. CB > > > > Chris Burger, Manager > Elizabeth Station Toy Trains > 1205 East Third Street > Dayton, Ohio 45402 > 937-222-7251 or toll free > 1-877-train90 > 1-877-872-4690 Orders only > cbtrainnut@... > NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG > www.elizabethstation.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36059	From: hobo47203	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: National Train Show

All, To Change the subject, I had the chance to spend the day at the National Train Show in Cincinnati on Friday. It was a great day spent seeing old train friends and meeting many new ones. I even found some new things to add to my building S scale empire. I had a chance to visit with Don and Robin Thompson who I know only from their beautiful line of S scale equipment. These are two very nice people. Thank you for your kind words of encouragement about the new S scal laypout we are building at the Columbus Area Railroad Club here in Indiana. I also met Bill and Diane Wade from BTS for the first time and bought one of their Depot kits and and engine house detail kit. I can't wait to see if my skill can match the workmanship they have put into making the kits they offer to all of us in S. We should all be glad that we have nice people like this willing to invest their time and their money in developing and marketing these products for us in S. I hope others of you made the trip to Cincinnati and had a good time as well. Hope see many of you at Camel, Indiana in November. Bob Morrison Hoosier S Gaugers Columbus, IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36060	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Re: repro seaboard coaler

Bob, You can download the 'Owners Manual' for both items. Go to Lionel's web site 'Central Station' page and click on 'Customer Service', then click on 'Owners Manual' and then in the 'Choose a Category' pull down box select American Flyer and this will pull up a list of manuals for the more recent production items. Link pasted below. Lou Baldi http://www.lionel.com/CentralStation/Findex.cfm --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bob W." <bobgaylord@y...> wrote: > I missed place my notes on the Repo from Lionel on the > Seaboard coaler and the electromagnetic crane. Can > someone give me the coler code wiring . It isnt marked > on the screws. I tryed trial and error and think I got > it right but would like to just double check my work. > thanks. > bob W. > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36061	From: len_hall@yahoo.com	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: Round Top Boxcar

Hi: Does anyone know where I can find an S guage boxcar with the round top (wagon)? Len __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36062	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/10/2005
Subject: 583 Electromagnetic Crane

Hi Everyone, I just received a 583 crane from my uncle/cousin. It is a wonderful gift, but I need a bit of help getting it back together. I have the armature I need (and brush, springs etc), and I am pretty sure I could get it back together. The motor unit is assemebled except for the armature/brushes/springs, but not installed in the crane assembly. I really need some sort of exploded view to see if I might be missing something. I am pretty sure I will need some small screws etc, but I dont know what else I need to find! Anyway, if anyone has an exploded view of the 583 (not A) crane, or could take some closeup pictures of an assembled one, I would be very grateful. Thanks! -Denny Merritt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36063	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Gargraves Switches on Ebay

Back around 1980 or thereabouts I ordered some Gargraves turnouts to replace my American Flyer turnouts. They looked great but did not work well at all. AF PAs would always derail and the steamers often derailed. My opinion since then was disgust that the S gauge magazines would even accept advertisements for Gargraves switches. But that was along time ago. I see a pair of Gargraves switches on Ebay right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19144&item=5985637454&r d=1 The switches look different from the way I remember the ones I purchased. Actually they do not look as good but perhaps they operate reliably. I am hoping I can get some feedback on current day Gargraves switches and the ones advertised on Ebay in particular. - Thanks, Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36064	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Weather in the South

So how are our freinds in the path of the hurricane doing?????? Jim "getting ready for BIG "S" sale at Hamburg" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36065	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: HO question

Any body have any knowledge of HO Flyer...... and Mantua parts? MY QUESTION..... Upon examining my Franklin cars very carefully there is a hole, molded, for a smoke stack...... it shows no signs of anything ever being in the holes.... no glue.... no scratches, etc...... When Mantua made these did they put stacks on them????? or leave them off on the Gilbert sets....... I also need to find a small piece of rubber that connects the engine, in the tender, to the loco....... Mantua General would probly be the part.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36066	From: lember2004	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Replacing bubbler: Answer

In a recent post I asked how one replaces the bubbler tube in an early AF 772 bubbling water tower. Mark Preman, via Barbara Rudnicki, provided the following answer: "the easiest thing to remove from the tower is the red point on the top. Once that is off, just work the tube up or down through the rubber grommet." Thanks to Mark and Barbara! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36067	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Fw: Franklin.....THE REST OF THE STORY

Bill called me and told me about the pic he sent...... I spoke with him on the phone , quite a good chat, I then decided to look at the packing that was ready to go in the trash....... I FOUND A ZIP LOCK BAG , APPEARING EMPTY, BUT I NOTICED DOWN IN THE CORNER 2 TINY SMOKESTACKS!!!!!!! .now to keep looking for the engine drive..... that I know can be had as Mantua engines are at most shows....... THANKS..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: William C. McKie, Jr. To: Bob Conner Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Franklin Bob, Here is a scan from Klein's book. Bill McKie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36068	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Open House - Altoona Convention

Hi, I'm starting to get calls on my Altoona Convention open house. Yes, We are having open house all day Monday July 25th, 2005. The Jefferson Central should be running all day, so take a moment and stop in. The Jefferson Central is a scale model railroad, but all are welcome! Wally Collins will also be here for the occasion. Most of you know where we live in Hershey, Pa. and all you NASG members who don't know, can go to our NASG data base and find the proper information. "S"ee you then, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36069	From: Marty	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: American Flyer HO

Hello Robert I have been collection Flyer S gage since 1957, and just started with Flyer HO, I have some catalogs and the Gilbert American Flyer HO book by Gary Klein 1938-1963, the book came from American Flyer.com, Let me know if I can help you with anything, I have found collecting Flyer Ho a lot harder than S gage Regards, Marty Rajsich, Las Vegas Nv.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36070	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 7/11/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO

To Marty and others: I talked to Gary Klein at the TCA meet here in Seattle last month. He has an updated second version of his AF HO book out in a spiral bound soft cover version and a CD version available. He also has a CD of AF HO instruction manuals. Check with him directly for prices. The sheet he was giving out lists his contact info as: Gary Klein, P.O. Box 71, Veneta, OR. 97487. Email gklein2@.... I have no affiliation with Gary. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 7:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO Hello Robert I have been collection Flyer S gage since 1957, and just started with Flyer HO, I have some catalogs and the Gilbert American Flyer HO book by Gary Klein 1938-1963, the book came from American Flyer.com, Let me know if I can help you with anything, I have found collecting Flyer Ho a lot harder than S gage Regards, Marty Rajsich, Las Vegas Nv. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36071	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Open for the convention goers

Hi Folks, I mentioned being open to visitors in my last column in the Dispatch. I won't be going to Altoona until Wednesday, so I'll be open for visitors on Monday and Tuesday 7/25 & 26. I'm 1 3/4 hours east of Altoona and only 5 minutes from exit #201 of the PA Turnpike. Hope to see you. Roy www.s-scaletrains.com/pwrr www.s-scaletrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36072	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: 1991 Lionel/Flyer Artwork

1991 Lionel/Flyer Artwork http://s-scale.org/albums/albup02 Enjoy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36073	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Hurricane Dennis

Hello All, I appreciate all my S-Trains friends who have asked about how hurricane Dennis treated my parents and my hometown of Pensacola, Florida. I drove from Atlanta to Pensacola Friday afternoon to pick up my Mom and Dad. About 80% of the service stations were completely out of gas and Dennis wasn't due until Sunday afternoon. I spent an hour in line on Friday night to fill up my tank for the return trip. We left Saturday morning at 6:00 am and spent 3 hours in bumper to bumper traffic on I-65 south of Montgomery, Alabama. The frustrating part is they blocked I-65 southbound traffic in Montgomery and were supposed to open the south bound lanes for north bound evacuation traffic. I saw over 120 miles of empty southbound lanes while sitting in bumper to bumper traffic because they had not opened the southbound lanes. I'm not sure if they ever opened them, but it was fully prepared with police at every on ramp and barrels in place for traffic control, so I have no idea what they were waiting for. Back home, Atlanta got over 12 inches of rain and some major wind from Dennis. My neighborhood has major flooding but luckily I live on the up hill side, so I didn't have any damage. We had the local newscasters and news helicopters all over the place covering the flooding. Some poor woman a couple of streets over has a horse barn and she was stuck on the second floor for several hours until they could get a rescue boat to her. I hope her horses are ok. They get loose from time to time and wonder around our neighborhood!! Nothing like going out first thing in the morning to get the newspaper and finding a horse in your front yard. Power is out at my Mom and Dad's house, so they will be staying for a while. Luckily Dennis lost strength and had an eastward jog near as it made landfall, so Pensacola was spared a direct hit. If you are interested in photos of the damage in and around Pensacola, you can do a Google search for "Pensacola News Journal". They have a lot of photos on their website. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36074	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: UP Boycott

When I went to the Patent and trademark website, I found various heralds and "distinctive styles" of lettering, such as the Rio Grande speed lettering. Even if only the herald or distinctive lettering are trademarks, then the price of decals would probably shoot up to what they charge for the whole model. I think the key is what they have registered and what they have registered it for. Unfortunately, they have registered these heralds and lettering for the manufacture of "toy trains." Generally a trademark is to signify a product of a certain quality, and while they can "manufacture" their "Union Pacific" toy trains through licensees, if they license everyone who comes up with the bucks, how does that signify a quality product. I think there is a lot to talk about in this case. I did note that the UP website lists Athern as a licensee, so your information that they settled explains that. One question Mike, Is this case being given any coverage in the Omaha Press? If so, are thre any web links for that coverage? Also, would you be interested in going down to the Federal Courthouse and getting a copy of some of the pleadings and sharing them with the rest of us? I would be especially interested in any pleadings filed by Lionel, maybe a motion for summary judgment or a pre trial statement? I know you are probably busy just like the rest of us, so if you can't manage this, that's fine too. Thanks, Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] UP Boycott > Roy Inman wrote: > > Lionel and Athern have challenged and apparently lost, in federal district > court in Lincoln, NB. > > > A couple things: > > Lincoln is in Nebraska (NE). NB is New Brunswick in Canada. > > Athearn and UP settled out of court. As far as I know, Lionel and UP > are still at odds. > > This puzzles me: Is a manufacturer supposed to pay a fee for any UP > model, or just if a herald is used?. It seems to me that making a model > without a herald would not make it necessary to have a licensing > agreement. > > There are certainly plenty of locos and cars - especially later steam > locos, and diesel hood units, switchers, and B units before around the > mid 1970's, passenger cars, and many freight cars that never had UP > emblems. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36075	From: Marty	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Flyer HO

Hi Fred I have a collection of old parts, the springs were the hardest to find, they came off of old ho an varney cars , varney made cheep cars for flyer back in the fifties , watch out for these they are allright but not as good as Flyer HO , Varney works good for truck parts like the springs etc, you can get Flyer Ho parts from RFGCO.com, they have the old couplers but not the springs for the couplers , the coupler springs are not available anymore, I use the new NRMA couplers with the built in plastic springs on the Flyer cars that i do not want to keep origional or run on my layout , you have to change the cover and I added screws instead of the rivits, this decreases the value but these are the cars I just want to get running and in layout condition Regarss, Marty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36076	From: N Becker	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Fw: No ‘butts’ about it, UP says no smoking on its property

I wonder if this incudes both diesel and steam engines????? Neil Becker Charlotte From TRAINS News Wire for July 5, 2005: No ‘butts’ about it, UP says no smoking on its property OMAHA, Neb. — Union Pacific initiated a system-wide no smoking policy July 1 spokesman John Bromley confirmed. The railroad’s previous policy allowed specific facilities to establish smoking areas consistent with federal, state, and local smoking regulations. "This action makes it official and all-encompassing," Bromley told the North Platte (Nebr.) Telegraph. "People can go off the property and smoke. There is no employee testing, but we want to provide a healthy environment. We estimate that 25% of our employees smoke. That is quite a change from our history, where the figures were probably reversed." Non-compliance with the policy brings a warning and, if necessary, employee assistance. "We are planning to walk into this slowly," Bromley said. "Managers are being told to remind employees of the policy. If it is an issue for someone, we have smoking cessation programs available." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36077	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: 583 wiring definition correct?

I found this from a (rather old) posting...but I am not quite sure how to read it. When roger says "looking down", are the fingers that are shifted to one side on the "lower" contacts, or "upper"? Still looking for an exploded view, if anyone has one scanned. Barb offered to send one, but I don't want her heading out to make copies just for me! -thanks! Denny (start earlier post) Here is a description of the wiring for the cranes. Wish I could send the drawing, but my daughter has my scanner. If this isn't clear, let me know and I will try to get the pictures. (Tom Jarcho - please correct me if these are wrong) 583 Crane (single button controller)(uses reversing unit like in locos) Looking down on assembly as if it was mounted in a loco & tender, 1. wire from right side of field goes to right contact of lower e- unit fingers 2. wire from right brush goes to left contact of lower e-unit fingers 3. wire from left side of field goes to left contact of upper e-unit fingers 4. wire from left brush goes to right contact of coil lead plate and also to yellow wire that is connected to transformer. One magnet lead connects to left brush also. 5. wire from right contact of upper e-unit fingers goes to left contact of coil lead plate and also to black wire that goes to control button. The other magnet lead connects to the same black wire (or coil plate contact) 583A Crane (two button controller) Field assembly is dual wound, each connection contains 2 wires. 1. a red wire is connected to one of the two wires on one side of the motor field, to one of the brush clips and to one of the wires from the electromagnet 2. a green wire is connected to the other wire on the same side of the field as the red wire 3. a black wire is connected to the other brush clip, a wire from the electromagnet and the other field wires Hope these help. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36078	From: John Foley	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Manufactures I met at the NMRA 2005 Convention

Hi Folks I met a few manufacturers at the NMRA's National Train Show who have some S and some S Possibilities. TrainResource.com has some Limited paint schemes on S freight cars. http://www.trainresource.com/Home.html You will need to surf around their website, the items items are listed as S Scale GCLaser http://www.trainresource.com/Home.html Will be doing some S Structures starting with their stock Auction House http://www.gclaserinnovations.com/ho-auctionhouse.htm to be released soon. Monroe Models http://www.monroemodels.us/ They produce some neet highway over passes in HO. They would work out well crossing streams and such in S. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36079	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switches on Ebay

I use several of the old style which are very long. (some high frog #) After mounting very level and securely plus powering the moving part from the switch machine they are very reliable with all the engines you mentioned.they are very reliable. I installed one of the newer type with the non moving frog and almost tore it out before I got it debugged. I finally broke the black frog insert out and reglued it in place. In doing this the switch became reliable except it may not always handle a Flyer or Flionel slide shoe pickup, Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <tennsgauge@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves Switches on Ebay > Back around 1980 or thereabouts I ordered some Gargraves turnouts to replace > my American Flyer turnouts. They looked great but did not work well at all. > AF PAs would always derail and the steamers often derailed. My opinion since > then was disgust that the S gauge magazines would even accept advertisements > for Gargraves switches. > > But that was along time ago. I see a pair of Gargraves switches on Ebay > right now. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19144&item=5985637454&r > d=1 > The switches look different from the way I remember the ones I purchased. > Actually they do not look as good but perhaps they operate reliably. > > I am hoping I can get some feedback on current day Gargraves switches and the > ones advertised on Ebay in particular. > > - Thanks, Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36080	From: John Foley	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Searails, Possible items in S

Hi Folks I met a fellow who represented Searails at the NMRA 05 convention, this is a company that produces items in other scales in 3D Laser Fusing. Using this system they make many products in one piece. All you would need to do is clean it up and paint it. They would like a consensus from 5 gaugers for 5 of their produces they could start with. Myself I like some of their structures, Cranes and Tugs. Some take a look at http://www.searails.com/pages/873666/index.htm And send them an email with what you would like then to produce. use this email for them Harbormaster@... please cc me on the emails so I can keep track of the choices John Foley mr-s1@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36081	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: Toy trains on my music forum

My other favorite forum is "The Fender Discussion Page"......course I hang out in the bass forum. They also have a forum called Moe's and one can talk about ANY thing! Check out the Lionel-American Flyer thread going on. http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=503862&lastpost=2005-07-1218:29:22 You can save this link and check back in for more posts as they are added. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36082	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/12/2005
Subject: OUT OF THE CLOSET

Guys and maybe gals........ Thanks for all your help.....on the Franklin set...... Seems like quite a few others of you are coming out too......( Still can't get my purse to match my shoes!!! HA HA ) But seriously I know this is an "S" site.... But also a Flyer site...... Have you seen the Mystic station in "S"... cute as a button in "HO"..... The hudson..... paint out the number..... hard to tell the scale in the pic..... 0-6-0 too..... I have a Exploding box car in Kleerpack...... the HO one looks just like it.... the t&p gon.....etc.....While Flyer is what I look for always..... I still grabbed the Plasticville station, in the box for 3.00 at the last meet..... Same as the big one..... Try picking up a few..... prices are still kinda low right now, although I have seen this double over the past couple years....... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36083	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: Wanted: 1/4" O Scale wheels

Gentlemen (and ladies): I am looking for 1/4 inch diameter, O Scale wheels. Why O Scale? Because the flanges on the wheels made 30 years ago (and more) are the same size as American Flyer PAs. I am not looking for O Highrail -- those flanges are close to the standard American Flyer freight car flanges. 1/4 inch = 12 O Scale inches or 16 S Scale inches. Do any of you know where I can get some? I need 4 to start and I might need as many as a couple hundred before this is done. Dealer / Manufacturer responses accepted. Would someone please be kind enough to cross-post this for me onto the O Scale lists? Thank you for your help, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36084	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: UP agreement

Just FYI folks: I have a copy of the Union Pacific licensing agreement. If anyone wants to see it, please contact me off line and I will email. it is Acrobat file. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36085	From: jt12313	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: UP Legal issues

For what it's worth, the UP vs. Lionel etal received no local press in Lincoln, Nebraska that I can recall... Jeff Tangeman Lincoln, NE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36086	From: lember2004	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: Re: Replacing bubbler: Answer

I'm happy to report that the method suggested by Mark Preman to change a bubbler worked well. Mark L. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@y...> wrote: > In a recent post I asked how one replaces the bubbler tube in an early > AF 772 bubbling water tower. Mark Preman, via Barbara Rudnicki, > provided the following answer: "the easiest thing to remove from the > tower is the red point on the top. Once that is off, just work the tube > up or down through the rubber grommet." Thanks to Mark and Barbara! > Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36087	From: Chris	Date: 7/13/2005
Subject: S Trax ...vs...Gargraves.......

I am wondering if anyone has experimented with the S Trax system? I currently have Gargraves track down and am thinking about switching over. Has anyone had any issues with S Trax? Any and all info will be most appreciated!! Thank You Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36088	From: David Engle	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Some Speeder news

How much smaller would this be compared to a Burro Crane chassis?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36089	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: strange 1:64 finds at The national motor museum mint

I got their catolog today in the mail mostly 1:32 scale cars, but they had two military helicopters listed as 1:64 scale and two Remote controlled speed boats in 1:64 scale it said boats are 5 inches long. website is www.motormint.com may have to get a boat and do a water feature on my layout which is still in the planning stages.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36090	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: July Great American Train Show - Orlando - December Tampa Show Canc

The good news is that the GATS will hit the Orlando Fairgrounds July 23 and 24 if ya'll are going to be in town. The bad news is that the December GATS in Tampa has been cancelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36091	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: New engine for sale: S-Helper Service SP AB DCC Sound F-7s

Back on the 12th I put this engine up on eBay starting at $1.00. It is now at only $128. Here is the description: Brand spanking new, never run, in the box (never even removed) S- Gauge/S-Scale Southern Pacific #2 DCC Sound Phase II F-3 A & B units. Stock #00377. I paid $500 + shipping for this beauty. This set has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. I only removed the plastic to take the pictures. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. eBay item #5987037694. Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36092	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: Re: S Trax ...vs...Gargraves.......

S-Trax is being used at NTTM (National Toy Train Museum), probably in third, maybe 4th yr. I haven't replaced any of it and the S gauge layout is very popular because of the 12 pushbuttons on it. Our portable layout is also S-trax, but it is also an SHS inspired layout. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36093	From: louis glumac	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: REPAINTED CARS?

hi, can anyone tell me a few things to be aware of when buying stripped passenger cars,i cannot tell if the cars stripped are original or repainted, thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36094	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/14/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Some Speeder news

At first I thought that I would have to have an operating model. But after reading this post and one or two others, I could go for a static model as well. I might even fiddle around with using one of the micro sizer motors and R/C units carried on the speeder trailing car. And BTW, could it be possible to make an additional trailing car available? Roy Inman > From: Manfred Lesser <mlesser@...> > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:41:14 -0400 > To: S Scale List <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, Bill Lane <billlane@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Some Speeder news > > Static model sounds good to me! That way, it can be more accurate and I can > do my usual job of making it look well used & somewhat beat-up! Besides, > most of the time they were parked!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36095	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/15/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 17, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36096	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: Enhorning & Miller 10 Piece lot *CHEAP*

Hi All, I have a mixed lot of vintage Enhorning & Miller for the basher or collector for sale here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5986499903 It is ending 7:00 PM Eastern tomorrow. Please give it a look. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production cars have arrived as of 6-30-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36097	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: October York Train Meet

Just got a letter from the persons that are taking over the show at the fire house.The show will run on Monday,Tuesday and Wednesday from 8:00 to 6:00. Fred Brown and Lorn Strickler will be running the show. I just that all would like to know. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36098	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: Re: October York Train Meet

Hey all..... not too long ago I saw a date on the TCA meet as fri and sat..... no mention of thur.......and I know they said it would be thur too..... Where can we all find an up to date list of everything...... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <bobville@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] October York Train Meet > Just got a letter from the persons that are taking over the show at > the fire house.The show will run on Monday,Tuesday and Wednesday from > 8:00 to 6:00. Fred Brown and Lorn Strickler will be running the show. > I just that all would like to know. Bob Persing > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36099	From: Bill Fraley	Date: 7/16/2005
Subject: Open House

Hi, For those of you going to the Altoona convention ................................ The Jefferson Central in Hershey, Pa. will have an open house, Monday July 25th, 2005. 9:00 am [earlier?] to whenever! Look for the Cross buck out front! Come to the side door. If you need more details, e-mail me or, You can find most home details on our NASG membership site http://www.nasg.org/directory.php LOOking forward to your visit! "S"ee Ya, Bill Fraley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36100	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 7/17/2005
Subject: Stock Yard

I recently purchased a klunker stockyard that looks like it will run. The felt is in fair shape and the parts are all there with a bit of rust. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? Robert Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36101	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/17/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 17, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36102	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Phila!!

Gents, I'm going back to my Philadelphia roots to attend a wedding on Oct 15th. I was wondering if there are any shows going on in the area that I could attend over that weekend. I know the S friendly stores from Malvern to Feasterville that handle S so I should be set there unless there is something new that was not around a couple of years ago when I made my last visit. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36103	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!

Joe..... Come early.... the bandit meets start at Your on Monday? the 10...... or the 9Th?.... any body know...... York is 10 to 15....Not to far a drive....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Phila!! > Gents, > > I'm going back to my Philadelphia roots to attend a wedding on Oct 15th. I > was wondering if there are any shows going on in the area that I could > attend over that weekend. I know the S friendly stores from Malvern to > Feasterville that handle S so I should be set there unless there is > something new that was not around a couple of years ago when I made my > last > visit. > > > > Regards, > > Joe Haughney > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36104	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Phila!!

Perfect week of the year to be in Phila!!!!!!!! You can take a 2 hour side trip to York and see trains at any of the motels, (and of course the fabulous Reliance Fire House venue on Market Street) from October 10th thru the12th, and, if you are a TCA member (if not, get a member to get you in), the fairgrounds will be open from the 13th thru the 15th...You can't see more trains anywhere else in the world! Fred Jester Fred's Train Parts Chester, Pa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36105	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!

ACTUALLY......... MONDAY 10TH.. TO 12TH...... There are 1. the old Billy Budd meet at the Holiday Inn..... inside meet and outside meet...... 2. Then go to the Best Western parking lot meet..... 3. Then go to the Hoildrome inside meet and huge outside meet..... 4. the Fire hall indoor meet.... that gives you 6 meets mon, tue, wed...... Then the, as measured by someone the 2 day 10 mile walk through all the buildings at the TCA meet thur, fri, sat......thats the 13th - 15th...... Motels might be a small problem around there..... Be sure to take all your credit cards.... checks..... and a few thousand in cash...... if you want it.....most times its there....... I still need a 5 didget combo heavyweight car and a 918 in the box ln+.... And like Fred said..... some one on this list will get you into York..... Have the anouncer page an "s" list member....... we are usually easy to spot..... arm loads of FLYER.......BTW..... Anything set for Sun the 9th???? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36106	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!

You COULD stop in Strasburg, located prox midway between the "City of Brotherly Love" and the "White Rose City". Just a few miles south of Rt 30 on Ronks Rd/Paradise Lane or Rt 896 South. NTTM is open 10 til 5, Strasburg RR's first train departs at 11 AM, RRMPA is open 9 til 5 also. You will, of course, pass thru "Paradise" to get there. Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36107	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!

I could take the long way over to Paradise..... Thru BB, BIH, I, ETC.......... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Phila!! > You COULD stop in Strasburg, located prox midway between the "City of > Brotherly Love" and the "White Rose City". Just a few miles south of Rt > 30 on > Ronks Rd/Paradise Lane or Rt 896 South. NTTM is open 10 til 5, Strasburg > RR's > first train departs at 11 AM, RRMPA is open 9 til 5 also. You will, of > course, > pass thru "Paradise" to get there. > > Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36108	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!

Would certainly be the circuitous route. Would cross real rails several times. At grade some places, watched another idiot race the NS local thru a crossing again today. It seems so clear that IF they touched, that loco is gonna win, tin SUV gonna lose. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36109	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/19/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!

When in downtown Philadephia, on about the 600 or 400 block of Market Street and you see a train shoppe, and I mean a shop that is just trains, don't bother going in. Not because they don't have any S, but because the owner is very grumpy and very unfriendly. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36110	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/19/2005
Subject: Pennsy S Models Website update

HI All, Dan has been quietly working at getting the website updated. http://www.pennsysmodels.com Please give it a look. He may be able to get a few more new photos added before we leave for the NASG convention in Altoona http://www.amtma.org on Monday. A limited number of you will be able to take advantage of our convention special, which is a Cash N Carry on a completely new car! We will have a limited number of new cars for you to take with you. No, we are not a one and done company. We are already looking at project number three! We are looking forward to seeing many of you at the convention. Please stop by and see what we have accomplished in this past year. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production cars have arrived as of 6-30-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36111	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/20/2005
Subject: Re: Phila!!

A short trip over the river will get you to an S-Friendly Hobby Shop in South Jersey: Chicks Hobby Center Check them out at: http://www.s-scaletrains.com/sfriendly/newjersey.html Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > When in downtown Philadephia, on about the 600 or 400 block of Market Street > and you see a train shoppe, and I mean a shop that is just trains, don't > bother going in. > > Not because they don't have any S, but because the owner is very grumpy and > very unfriendly. > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36112	From: jackotrains	Date: 7/20/2005
Subject: Flyonel UPS Flat w/Trailers

This morning, this brand new car went for close to one hundred dollars plus shipping on ebay. Is this a rare car or are people just stupid to pay close to $110.00 for this car.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36113	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Thank you, Thank you

Rooms are going to be at a premium in York and environs. I suggest you contact PA Dutch something or other, at 717-299-8901. Should be rooms in Lancaster Co, about 45 minutes from the Fairgrounds etc. Need further info, let me know. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36114	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Orlando Great American Train Show

If you will be in the Orlando area this weekend, don't forget about the Great American Train Show at the Orlando Fairgrounds. I'll be there with 2 booths full of A.C.Gilbert's best goodies! Mark http://www.americanflyertrains Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36115	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 7/21/2005
Subject: Aluminum Pass Cars

Con any one tell me an easy to remove the name plates from the side of the car with out damage to them.I am going to have a set of these cars powder coated in color.Iwant to leave the plates sliver and change the name. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36116	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Aluminum Pass Car

Robert, Actually it's very easy! Slide the bottom out (which you've probably already done). The plates are held on by ribbed rivets, that protrude through to car side into the inside. Using a flat bladed screwdriver, you should be able to push the rivit out partially, enough to be able to finish pulling them out from the outside w/pliers, and without scratching the plates! If you are careful, you can re-use the rivets. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36117	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Aluminum Pass Cars

Bob...... Doesen't the hole for the pin go all the way through the shell... I don't remember..... If so.... punch them from the inside with a small nail with the end filed flat...... If not use a chusle blade in the exacto knife and carefully slide it ubder near the plate and work it loose...... thats how to remove boxcar shells from their bases without messing up the pins...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <bobville@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Aluminum Pass Cars > Con any one tell me an easy to remove the name plates from the side of > the car with out damage to them.I am going to have a set of these cars > powder coated in color.Iwant to leave the plates sliver and change the > name. Bob Persing > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36118	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: Aluminum Pass Cars

The pins usually extend a tiny bit through the shell and into the inside of the car.....so use a screwdriver tip to PUSH each pin outward from the inside....just enough so you can then get a grip on the pinhead and PULL or pry it the rest of the way. A tiny drop of oil at the inside tip of the pin may help too, before pushing. .....ORIGINAL MESSAGE..... <<<Subject: Aluminum Pass Cars Can any one tell me an easy to remove the name plates from the side of the car with out damage to them.I am going to have a set of these cars powder coated in color.Iwant to leave the plates sliver and change the name. Bob Persing>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36119	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: www.unionstationphotos.com live at last!

Dear family, friends, clients, et al: Took almost as long as birthing a baby elephant, but www.unionstationphotos.com is finally live!! As you have a moment I respectfully invite your visit. Warm regards, Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36120	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 24, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36121	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/22/2005
Subject: Re: www.unionstationphotos.com live at last!

Roy did a great job in setting up the Kansas City Union Station website. Philadelphia also has a beautiful station still in operation: http://www.chesco.com/~apu/prr/prr_30.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] www.unionstationphotos.com live at last! > Dear family, friends, clients, et al: > Took almost as long as birthing a baby elephant, but > > www.unionstationphotos.com > > is finally live!! > As you have a moment I respectfully invite your visit. > Warm regards, > Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36122	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: The Northern returns.

In the new Lionel catalog there is not much new Flyer, but one new entry that may interest many is a reissue of the Northern. Much, but not all of the old tooling will be refurbished and used to manufacture the engine. Features, as described in the catalog, include: can motor with reworked chassis, Railsounds, sharpened detailing and graphics, and conventional smoke and choo-choo. Railsounds will be defeatable so as to let the mechanical mechanism to stand audibly on its own. MSRP = $449.00, however sharp shoppers will be able to do better than this. Those anticipating TMCC, RS5.0, etc. will probably be disappointed. Those looking for a brand new Northern for conventional operations at a semi-reasonable price could/should be happy. Two other items include two holiday cars: a boxcar and a dump car with packages. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36123	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Classic Sale

Bill Clark has updated availability on some of the cars being offered in the SHS Classics Clearance Sale. Still lots of cars left, but some specific cars are now in very short supply. We have sent out flyers to many of our customer letting them know of this sale. These items are in our first Showcase Line boxes of cream and teal. We are trying to make space for a few upcoming projects that are expected this fall and winter. If you would like to help, go to: http://www.showcaseline.com/IndexSaleClassics.html Thanks! Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36124	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: The Northern returns.

BOB.... GOT A LINK...... WHERE IS THE BEST PRICE TO ORDER.....BOB CONNER ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The Northern returns. > In the new Lionel catalog there is not much new Flyer, but one new entry > that > may interest many is a reissue of the Northern. Much, but not all of the > old > tooling will be refurbished and used to manufacture the engine. Features, > as > described in the catalog, include: can motor with reworked chassis, > Railsounds, > sharpened detailing and graphics, and conventional smoke and choo-choo. > Railsounds will be defeatable so as to let the mechanical mechanism to > stand > audibly on its own. MSRP = $449.00, however sharp shoppers will be able to > do better > than this. > > Those anticipating TMCC, RS5.0, etc. will probably be disappointed. Those > looking for a brand new Northern for conventional operations at a > semi-reasonable > price could/should be happy. > > Two other items include two holiday cars: a boxcar and a dump car with > packages. > > Bob Bubeck > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36125	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/23/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: S gauge??? when if ever?

Ok this is my third attempt to post this thought all might be interested in MTH's reply about S gauge inqurierys --- Bruce <bweidner1012@...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M.T.H. Customer Service" > <sales@...> > To: "Bruce" <bweidner1012@...> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: S gauge??? when if ever? > > > > Dear Bruce, > > > > Thank you for your email message expressing your > interest in seeing M.T.H. > > release some S Gauge products in the future. We > certainly appreciate your > > comments and suggestions for without consumer > feedback we would be hard > > pressed to continue producing a product line you > find appealing. > > > > We have passed your comments onto our Production > and Marketing teams for > > further consideration. We often hear from S > Gaugers interested in seeing > > M.T.H. enter this marketplace and consider each > request with great > interest. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > M.T.H. Customer Service > > > > At 08:35 PM 7/18/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >I am a die hard S gauger with a bad O gauge > habit. Most S gaugers have a > > >second scale usaly O or G so dabbling in S is not > going to take any > > >customers from your current line but may draw new > ones if you offer up > > >some affordable S scale/gauge items comprable to > the railking line. With > > >DCS would be amazing as Lionel has already put > out a nice mike with tmcc > > >which I have and plan on running with DCS system. > I woul;d start out with > > >freight and passenger cars tom test the water and > then do some famous > name > > >sets. I have been holding off on a MTH set for > awhile but plan on getting > > >one soon as I have always been impressed with MTH > product. > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36126	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Lionel catalog II

Thanks for the post about the new Lionel catalog. Anyone know if it can be viewed online anywhere yet? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36127	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: free posters

One could got to http://www.paperstuff.com/, screen capture or right click and save image Use a good reduction program like free Irfan http://www.irfanview.com/ Print them out using a good printer. Don't sell them, that might be illegal. Paul Yorke - http://PaulYorke.com Website Development 772.285.4817(cell) - 772.597.3788 (office) Yahoo Instant Message ID = paul_w_yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36128	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 24, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36129	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: 952 heavyweight???

Did Gilbert make a red 952 Pikes Peak heavyweight passenger car with opening doors and large letters PULLMAN over the windows. It is e-bay item # 5988183635. It does not have the letters PIKES PEAK on it and is described as E original. I do not find it in the Greenberg's book or any other books in my library. Anyone know???? amflyral@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36130	From: clifma19	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: pulling power

What makes an engine have a low pullling rate? What can you do to improve it? Clifford Manning Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36131	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Re: 952 heavyweight???

It's listed in the T&M guide page 34 ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36132	From: Ironhorse	Date: 7/24/2005
Subject: Re: pulling power

The engine may be to light for the type of engine. add weight inside the loco. Very slippery wheels. Some metals grip better than others. On grade's , the track can be to steep or glazed over. Oil on the track or wheels doesn't help. The wheels in the rolling stock need to turn freely. A dab of thin oil on the axels help a lot. To much oil, will flow down to the wheel tread making things worse. About slippery wheels; Wheels can get glazed from a lot of use. this results in a slippery tread. Same with the track. I don't know what causes it. A light sanding Very fine sand paper. the kind body shops use. Not wood sand paper which can leave grit in the loco. Roger Hinds clifma19 wrote: >What makes an engine have a low pullling rate? > >What can you do to improve it? > >Clifford Manning >Topeka, Ks > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36133	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/25/2005
Subject: Shuttin down to do Da 'Toona

Hi All, Its 6:30 AM. I am shutting down here to go to the convention. I am looking forward to seeing many of you there. I will have my laptop with me. I will try to post photos and updates during the week for those who cannot attend. It looks like it will be a great convention. But then again, how can it NOT be good? It is in ALTOONA! (:->) Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production cars have arrived as of 6-30-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36134	From: John Foley	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Rooms at Altoona

Hi Folks Bill Fuhrman will not be able to attend the convention.He has two rooms available one with a king size bed and one with two twins. Contact bill at cbrf@... and he will send you his number and you can try to switch them to your name. Or look for Bill's number in your NASG Directory. Bill will be turning the rooms back over to the hotel by 12 noon Tommorrow, Wednesday. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36135	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: S SCALE KITS FOR SALE

Hi, I listed a few surplus unbuilt kits on Ebay. Here is the link. _http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZerierailroad_ (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZerierailroad) Regards, Jack Bartman Walden NY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36136	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Re: Coming to Minneapolis

I finally got all my pictures of the trains (large and small!) at the Minnesota Transportation Museum uploaded. Enjoy! geocities.com/beenonboard If you've never seen a real steam locomotive taken apart, or wondered what's inside a caboose, this website is for you! Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: Many thanks to those who gave me tips on things to do in Minneapolis. Unfortunately, family and friends kept me busier than expected so I didn't get to meet any of the S-Gaugers up there, but I did take John Gasal's tip to visit the BNSF Northtown rail yard and engine shop in Fridley. When you visit, park on the east side of the bridge and walk up over it for a great view of the engine shop. Pictures are on my railroad website: geocities.com/beenonboard I also took my son and grandson to the Minnesota Transportation Museum in St. Paul, thanks to tips from John and several others. Great place and great people. Getting those pictures on the website is my next project. The Museum also operates a rail line that I plan to ride the next time I'm up there. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36137	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Auto carrier

OK, the talk of the auto carrier on eBay a short while back whetted by appetite for one or more of the little beasties on my layout-to-be. Is there anyone on either list who would care to tackle creating either a four or six-car auto carrier in S, either as a kit or RTR? And further, is there even enough interest to make it worthwhile? I have pretty much given up on the notion of finding one of those Sunshine kits, ala the one on eBay. K-Line makes a very nice six-car version in O scale; MTH has made several four-car 027-scaled versions. Ours could come with or without couplers and wheelsets, and I presume without cars, as far as I am concerned. But the majority would obviously rule here, and I would be so delighted to have one running around that I am completely flexible. Also willing to help do research, etc. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36138	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 7/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Auto carrier

Roy- I have never seen a Sunshine Models auto rack either in kit form or built-up except for the photo of the item recently up for bid on eBay. I do have the instructions and plans for an old Quality Craft HO 85' tri-level auto rack. The plans are available from the NMRA Kalmbach library. I suppose QC just never got around to offering an S scale version perhaps due to the 85' length??? Accu-Rail has an HO tri-level auto rack in kit form. Neither the Quality Craft nor the Accu-Rail kits appear difficult to construct. Either or both of the QC or Accu-Rail kits could be used as inspiration to scratch build an S scale auto-rack. The Accu-rail kit, being injected molded plastic, is highly detailed. I have not been able to locate any prototype measurements or drawings but a 60's/70's era tri-level auto-rack appears to be basically a flat car similar to Bill Wade's very nice F39 pig flat with a rack mounted on it. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Roy Inman Sent: Tue 7/26/2005 5:25 PM To: S-Scale; S-trains Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Auto carrier OK, the talk of the auto carrier on eBay a short while back whetted . To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36139	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2740

Autoloader car: I just completed a 4 car, two level carrier, similar top Lionel's. Using die cast cars, it's to heavy, and will tip over on the curves. Plastic cars work OK, they just don't have good detail. I looked at a 6 car carrier, it was to long for A.F. curves. Result: I set the 4 car carrier on a siding, using Road Champ cars, it looks real good. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36140	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: 952 heavyweight???

First, realize that whenever trainz.com sells a 652 or 952, they call it a Pikes Peak. I've corrected him a couple of times. Also, the ebay listing says it was made from 1953-1958, which says it should have silhouettes, but it doesn't. At least he doesn't say it has long trucks! The trucks indicate that the chassis is from the 95x series, not the 65x, but the body looks to me like an unpainted 652. Gilbert sometimes did that at the end of a production run as they converted to a new design. Like you, I have never seen a 95x with doors that open. You can't always tell colors from photographs, but I'd say that car is too red to be a true 952 which was maroon. Gilbert called the unpainted 652 "dark red" and it was noticeably more red than their maroon cars. Another alternative: the listing says it is painted. If so, it's an awfully high gloss paint! I really think it's an unpainted 652. If it is painted, my guess is that it is repainted, which would explain the new-looking lettering and why the number 952 is on what appears to be a 652 body. But, no, I can't say for sure. Those are my educated guesses as a collector of heavyweights. Al Paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: Did Gilbert make a red 952 Pikes Peak heavyweight passenger car with opening doors and large letters PULLMAN over the windows. It is e-bay item # 5988183635. It does not have the letters PIKES PEAK on it and is described as E original. I do not find it in the Greenberg's book or any other books in my library. Anyone know???? amflyral@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36141	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: K-line jerk around

I just got in the mail a card from k-line asking that I call about my order. So I called and found out that the S gauge pacific is not only delayed but CANCELED and they want me to buy something else with my credit >:^<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: K-line jerk around

Bruce, Sorry to hear that :( Did they give a reason for the cancellation? Usually, of course, it is insufficient orders, but I thought it might have been a pretty popular item. Roy Inman > From: bruce weidner <weidner@...> > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:14:01 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] K-line jerk around > > I just got in the mail a card from k-line asking that > I call about my order. So I called and found out that > the S gauge pacific is not only delayed but CANCELED > and they want me to buy something else with my credit >> :^< > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36143	From: keefer1	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: K-line jerk around

Hmmmmmmmm do they sell ANYTHING in "S" gauge????? --- bruce weidner <weidner@...> wrote: > I just got in the mail a card from k-line asking > that > I call about my order. So I called and found out > that > the S gauge pacific is not only delayed but CANCELED > and they want me to buy something else with my > credit > >:^< > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36144	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: K-line jerk around

No reason was given as to why it was canceled. I have two thoughts on this 1)China keeps uping production costs 2)Lionels Northern may blow them out of the water. If anyone else hears whats up let me know. I am planing on maybe canceling my k-line collectors club over this.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36145	From: Chris Burger	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Lionel Sues K-Line

Hi All, Just received this in an e-mail. Maybe why K-Line won't make the trains. Now if they would sue MTH it would all come full circle. This is why everyone should buy S-Helper Service trains. LOL! CB Lionel sues K-Line, saying that technology was taken Lionel L.L.C. has filed a lawsuit accusing K-Line Electric Trains, its owner Maury Klein, and its engineer Bob Grubba of misappropriating Lionel trade secrets. The lawsuit, filed July 27 in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York, states that K-Line, Klein, and Grubba convinced Lionel engineer Marty Pierson to give K-Line information concerning “closed-loop” Odyssey speed control, Lionel’s CW-80 transformer, and Lionel’s TrainSounds sound system. “We are shocked, disappointed and pretty resolved to do whatever we have to do to deal with the situation,” Lionel president Jerry Calabrese told Classic Toy Trains magazine shortly after the lawsuit was filed. Lionel seeks to stop K-Line from selling products it believes were developed using the stolen trade secrets, such as K-Line’s own version of speed control. “My feeling is that this is not the end of it, in terms of what we may discover. We are totally committed to find out what happened and who was involved,” Calabrese said. Lionel sells its CW-80 transformer in many of its starter sets. TrainSounds is an entry-level sound system found on some Lionel products. It is less sophisticated than the firm’s RailSounds. Grubba was Lionel’s director of engineering from 1997 to 2001. Pierson, who also started work at Lionel in 1997, was fired by Lionel in May. Lionel’s lawsuit states that evidence found on Pierson’s computer shows that technical information was given to K-Line, and that Pierson was paid for providing this information. The lawsuit states that Pierson is cooperating with Lionel. The suit was filed in bankruptcy court because Lionel filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last autumn. K-Line had no immediate comment. Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36146	From: northern83113	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: mike kolosseus

hi all:just to let people that i made another purchase from mike.very happy with items and great packing job.thanks all and have a nice day.sounds like lionel might be trying to get money back.jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36147	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: RE;Lionel sues K-Line

Now let me get this straight. K-line stole technology from Lionel, who earlier stole technology from MTH. And K-Line stole second line technology at that. Gee, at least Lionel was smart enough to steal the good stuff. HMMmmmmmm. I guess we don't live in the Norman Rockwell era anymore..... Stumpy Stone...wondering what happened to creativity in the hobby business these days...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36148	From: Jack Bartman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Russ Mobely Collection

Hi, Does anyone know if there is anything left for sale from the Russ Mobely collection or how to get in touch with Mae Mobely? Thanks, Jack Bartman Walden NY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36149	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: LEGAL ACTIONS

this is getting stupid....... I expect to get sued from Lionel, Kline, MTH, for USING THEIR STUFF without their permission...... Me..... I am sticking with the 2 "S" guys and good old AC......... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36150	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog

Here is a link to a preview of the new Lionel Catalog with the new Northern on pages 82 and 83. http://toytrainsunlimited.com//Lionel-2005-V2/Lionel-2005-V2.htm Enjoy, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36151	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Convention & Speeder Update

Hi All, I can't seem to get everything when I am on the road. I usually can't use my Outlook for email, but I can upload photos. This time my Outlook works fine on the wireless in the room, but my FTP program cannot connect so I cannot upload photos. I will give my convention report when I get home. I have probably taken about 400 photos so far. I had some conversation today with some of those who are involved in the Speeder project. One person pointed out that my offer to get a quote on getting them made in brass was not quite as clear as I could have been, so here goes. Since my wedding 3rd anniversary is on August 30th, it's an easy day to remember. In order for me to get a quote on a Speeder to get produced in brass, I need high qaulity photos and some form of a drawing or blueprint of the SAME unit. I want them sent, or emailed to me by August 30th. I will then try to obtian a quote. In short, no photos or plans, no quote, no Speeder. You are left to your own devices again. I can't be expected to, nor will I do everything. It dies a death like the other "I want one" projects that have been on this list before. Thank You, Bill Lane   Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957   See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com   Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production cars have arrived as of 6-30-05   ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36152	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog

Whoops! Upon even further search, I see that Lionel is offering a total of not one, but THREE dealer layouts from the 1950's. Bottom price is three grand and change, and the top of the line layout is eight thousand dollars. Which is actually not much I guess, for an finished layout; with track and bridges, but sans trains and most accessories. Roy Inman > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Reply-To: carl@... > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:53:58 -0500 > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog > > Here is a link to a preview of the new Lionel Catalog with the new Northern > on pages 82 and 83. > > http://toytrainsunlimited.com//Lionel-2005-V2/Lionel-2005-V2.htm > > Enjoy, > > Carl > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36153	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog

Hi Carl, and thanks much for posting the link! I was curious what the Floynel version would look like, as were others I'm sure. Looking around in the catalog, I noticed a repro D-147 5x9' O27 dealer layout from the '50's, now being offered to the public in a limited edition of only 25. For five grand and change. Wonder if they will ever offer a repro ACG layout from the same era? Not! It is too bad they did not include TMCC. That would have given us an additional engine to run with the system that some folks already bought for the Mikado. Maybe adding TMCC would have put it over what they have told me is the top end price for an S loco: $500. But still, it seems short sided of Lionel. But so what else is new? Wonder if this new version will have the pulling power of my old Northern, which I regrettably had to sell some time back. It would haul 40+ cars around our modular layout. Cheers, and thanks again :) Roy Inman > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Reply-To: carl@... > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:53:58 -0500 > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog > > Here is a link to a preview of the new Lionel Catalog with the new Northern > on pages 82 and 83. > > http://toytrainsunlimited.com//Lionel-2005-V2/Lionel-2005-V2.htm > > Enjoy, > > Carl > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36154	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog

Carl et al, Thanks for the link posting the new Lionel Catalogue. I also wondered about the lack of TMCC but perhaps the reason is that they are using the old shell and they don't have enough space. I also wondered if my Northern will retain its value when the new one comes out. Anyone done a survey as to what happens to prices when Lionel, MTH puts a new version out of an old Flyer item? Not that I'm going to sell my Northern (I'll leave my son to do that if he doesn't' keep the collection together on Ebay), I 've had it pulling about thirty cars and for a fifty year old engine its still runs nice. Regards, Joe Haughney -----Original Message-----

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36155	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog

JOE...... While the price should not be affected I have noticed items like GABE drop drastically..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> To: "'S-trains'" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New 2005 Vol-2 Catalog > > Carl et al, > > Thanks for the link posting the new Lionel Catalogue. I also wondered > about > the lack of TMCC but perhaps the reason is that they are using the old > shell > and they don't have enough space. I also wondered if my Northern will > retain > its value when the new one comes out. Anyone done a survey as to what > happens to prices when Lionel, MTH puts a new version out of an old Flyer > item? Not that I'm going to sell my Northern (I'll leave my son to do > that > if he doesn't' keep the collection together on Ebay), I 've had it pulling > about thirty cars and for a fifty year old engine its still runs nice. > > Regards, > Joe Haughney > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36156	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: 952 Heavyweight

Well, Bob & all, I'm the sucker that bought it, so when it arrives, I will let you know what I find. The photos at the auction didn't really show anything, although it did appear possible that the "952" was cleaner looking than the "PULLMAN" lettering. If it turns out to be not a real ACG oddity, it will at least look just fine on the layout!! So either way, I'll be happy. Now we'll see if the '16 Dodge fenders I "won" that day too will be as nice as the photos. . . S' David D. PS The "production photo" of the northern shows the late alluminum rimmed plastic drivers AND an L style tender connection with no wires (?????) There's also a spot that looks like some sort of spring contact from the trailing truck to the chassis just under the cab??? Hmmm, Veeeedry Interstink!! I wonder how many unloading christmas cars will sell compared to a "real" railroad unloading car?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36157	From: keefer1	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 952 Heavyweight

It is actually a "production drawing " not photo, so the details that don't look right may just be mistakes , rather than great surprises . --- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > Well, > Bob & all, I'm the sucker that bought it, so when it > arrives, I will let you > know what I find. The photos at the auction didn't > really show anything, > although it did appear possible that the "952" was > cleaner looking than the > "PULLMAN" lettering. If it turns out to be not a > real ACG oddity, it will at > least look just fine on the layout!! So either way, > I'll be happy. > Now we'll see if the '16 Dodge fenders I "won" that > day too will be as nice > as the photos. . . > S' > David D. > PS The "production photo" of the northern shows the > late alluminum rimmed > plastic drivers AND an L style tender connection > with no wires (?????) > There's also a spot that looks like some sort of > spring contact from the > trailing truck to the chassis just under the cab??? > Hmmm, Veeeedry > Interstink!! > I wonder how many unloading christmas cars will sell > compared to a "real" > railroad unloading car? > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36158	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 952 Heavyweight

David, et al, I wonder if the production model of the Northern will feature Lionel's "wireless tether," as on the Mikado? I cold not quite read the specs on the catalog page to tell for sure. Perhaps that is why there was no wire connection between the tender and engine?? Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) > To: David Dewey <djdewey@...> > Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 952 Heavyweight > > It is actually a "production drawing " not photo, so > the details that don't look right may just be mistakes > , rather than great surprises . > > --- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36159	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: LAF Norhtern IV

I can just barely tell from the blurry catalog copy that the just-announced LAF Northern is 15-3/4" long. Since I no longer have one to look at, wondering if someone who does own one of the originals could take a measurement and report back to the list? I presume the new engine is a reissue from the original tooling, but I have learned don't assume nothin.. Also, wouldn't it be nice if they were to offer it in additional roadnames... Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36160	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New flyer locomotive

This is what Leventon says about the Northern --- Janice Leventon <leventon@...> wrote: > Yes, Lionel is offering a Northern. It is a Union > Pacific and our price is > $379.99. They are also offering a Holiday Boxcar > and Operating Dump car. > > Leventons > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bruce weidner" <weidner@...> > To: <leventon@...> > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:00 PM > Subject: New flyer locomotive > > > >I hear that Lionel is offering a northern for Vol. > 2 > > of 2005 do you happen to know what railroads it is > > offered in? > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36161	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: size of AF northerns

All of my engines are less then 12" long. Vinny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36162	From: Tom P	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV

I've got an original AF336 and the locomotive from pilot to rear of cab is 12 3/4", with tender is 21". If the overall length is 15.75 then they have compressed it somewhere. At 14:10 07/28/05, you wrote: >I can just barely tell from the blurry catalog copy that the just-announced >LAF Northern is 15-3/4" long. Since I no longer have one to look at, >wondering if someone who does own one of the originals could take a >measurement and report back to the list? I presume the new engine is a >reissue from the original tooling, but I have learned don't assume nothin.. >Also, wouldn't it be nice if they were to offer it in additional >roadnames... >Cheers :) >Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36163	From: vncent manjoney	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV

I didn't include the pilot but 12 3/4" is correct for all of the 3 numbered ones at least. Vinny '

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36164	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: LAF Norhtern IV Driving wheels and tether

I know art work of future unmade products can be misleading, but my interpretation of this engines driving wheels indicates that they are going to be of the late 5 digit 21140 type. The 21140 had an alloy rim with a separate traction tyre fitted, unlike the original that was bonded on. The centres will be plastic and not die-cast. If they had intended to make it as per the 336 version then I would have expected to see the white insulator showing more prominently. I would gladly like to be proved wrong as I prefer the 336 version, but we will have to wait and see. Also, there was no mention of a wireless tether in the text, if it had one I'm sure they would have mentioned this as a new improved feature. Regards, Neil 'T'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36165	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel Northern Measurement

Listed in the new Lionel Catalog at 15 3/4 ", I believe that may be just the Loco body and not the tender. My Gilbert Northern the Body of the Loco is 12" plus the tender is 9" or 21", in viewing a blown up picture of the item in the catalog, the engine and tender look exact as the Gilbert AF Unit. I beliee there is a mistake in the listed item in the catalog, as the Flyonel Mikado measures 15 3/4 " Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36166	From: keefer1	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV Driving wheels and tether

I think if you look back to find the last time Lionel made an "o" gauge northern, this will very closely resemble it, except for the "s" track under it. The spring loaded trailing truck is a common Lionel giveaway . --- Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > I know art work of future unmade products can be > misleading, but my > interpretation of this engines driving wheels > indicates that they are going > to be of the late 5 digit 21140 type. > > The 21140 had an alloy rim with a separate traction > tyre fitted, unlike the > original that was bonded on. The centres will be > plastic and not die-cast. > > If they had intended to make it as per the 336 > version then I would have > expected to see the white insulator showing more > prominently. > > I would gladly like to be proved wrong as I prefer > the 336 version, but we > will have to wait and see. > > Also, there was no mention of a wireless tether in > the text, if it had one > I'm sure they would have mentioned this as a new > improved feature. > > Regards, > > Neil 'T' > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36167	From: krk_warner	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: 314AW Problems

Hi I hope someone can help me with the DC relay on the 314AW. I purchased a new replacement relay and a replacement whistle control. When hooked up as shown on the online wiring diagrams the relay does not close but vibrates and arcs across the contacts with the whistle control on or off. However, if I hook it up to a DC power pack it the relay closes and the whistle works. Thanks for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36168	From: ron190sl	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: 1946 sway back Shell tanker

Need some info on the plastic that Gilbert used for this ill-fated car. I believe that a Celonex (sp?) thermoplastic was used which had the unfortunate characteristic of deforming under slight increases of ambient temperatures. What was the TM name of the plastic? An ad appeared in one of the trade journals of the time touting the use of the plastic by Gilbert. Ron Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36169	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1946 sway back Shell tanker

FYI.........."Bakelite" was used in '46, to manufacture the heavyweight cars. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36170	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1946 sway back Shell tanker

**((What was the TM name of the plastic? An ad appeared in one of the trade journals of the time touting the use of the plastic by Gilbert.))** I found the following: "The plastic available at that time was an acetate that did have the stability to do the job properly. Then butyrate came on the market, and it was much better. Shortly after, styrene became available. The first styrenes were brittle and shattered if dropped. A high-impact styrene was rapidly developed, and Gilbert switched to that." Not sure about TM names. Hope this helps a little. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36171	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: lionel vs. k-line

After reading this link I have figured out why no pacific in S. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/200507271306257001.pdf Aperantly k-line is "accused" of taking info on odeyse speed control a new transformer and Railsounds <---we have a winner the pacific was to have K-sounds just my best guess read document and judge yourself. I hope this is not the reason and that the situation can be smoothed out and an affordable s loco be made.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36172	From: starr007	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Reproducerm for A.F. Talking Station

Greetings, Does anyone have a reproducer for an A.F. talking station for sale or trade? Thanks, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36173	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/28/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV

My 336 is 12-1/2" long, plus 9" for the tender, equals 21-1/2". Reach your own conclusions. Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: I can just barely tell from the blurry catalog copy that the just-announced LAF Northern is 15-3/4" long. Since I no longer have one to look at, wondering if someone who does own one of the originals could take a measurement and report back to the list? I presume the new engine is a reissue from the original tooling, but I have learned don't assume nothin.. Also, wouldn't it be nice if they were to offer it in additional roadnames... Cheers :) Roy Inman S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36174	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Is Lionel displaying at the NASG Convention ?

With all the chatter about the announced Lionel 4-8-4, it made me wonder if Lionel was promoting its American Flyer line at the NASG Convention. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36175	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV

Now I wonder if the LAF version measurement includes or excludes the tender? My assumption (dangerous thing, an assumption) is that it does. So I conclude that Lionel did some compressing. If so, that's a shame... Roy > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:56:38 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LAF Norhtern IV > > My 336 is 12-1/2" long, plus 9" for the tender, equals 21-1/2". Reach your > own conclusions. > > > Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > I can just barely tell from the blurry catalog copy that the just-announced > LAF Northern is 15-3/4" long. Since I no longer have one to look at, > wondering if someone who does own one of the originals could take a > measurement and report back to the list? I presume the new engine is a > reissue from the original tooling, but I have learned don't assume nothin.. > Also, wouldn't it be nice if they were to offer it in additional > roadnames... > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36176	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: The Flyonel Northern...talk at the hobby shop

My local hobby shop guy, a long time toy train collector and dealer, says the tender might not be quite the same as original as the dies were worn out years ago and produced poor castings when last used. Look close at the art work in the print catalog(if that can be believed.) We'll see in December when he's told it is supposed to appear. The Northern is a repop of an "old" locomotive, maybe not up to appearance standards or possibly too many of the TMCC features would go unused, hence it is not offered. He thinks there is room for TMCC in such a large loco and tender, so it must be something other than space limitations. Cost perhaps? As to the price of original Flyer Northerns dropping, you can count on it, especially since the new one has can motor and sound. Look what happened to postwar Lionel when all the new stuff hit the market. Even the first generation MTH stuff isn't moving anymore! But look at the bright side; It's a brand new Northern with a can motor, electronic sound, and at a price that mere mortals can afford! Collect the old ones, run the new ones! Stumpy Stone...off to the races this weekend, y'all have fun at Altoona!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36177	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

My understanding is that the main body castings are from the original tooling and that they are not worn out, in fact they produced good casts when tested by 'L'. If you want to debate the quality of the origianl tooling, then we need to find someone with a 21140 and an early 332 and do a comparison. Whatever a 21140 from 1960 looks like is at least what you are going to get now. Now if you want to discuss the 0-8-0, then what tooling they have is in a poor condition. In fact I believe they only have the tender die. The engine die has not been found. Could have been lost in the machinery sale in the 60's. Regards, Neil 'T' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] The Flyonel Northern...talk at the hobby shop > My local hobby shop guy, a long time toy train collector and dealer, > says the tender might not be quite the same as original as the dies > were worn out years ago and produced poor castings when last used. > Look close at the art work in the print catalog(if that can be > believed.) We'll see in December when he's told it is supposed to > appear. > The Northern is a repop of an "old" locomotive, maybe not up to > appearance standards or possibly too many of the TMCC features would > go unused, hence it is not offered. He thinks there is room for TMCC > in such a large loco and tender, so it must be something other than > space limitations. Cost perhaps? > As to the price of original Flyer Northerns dropping, you can count > on it, especially since the new one has can motor and sound. Look > what happened to postwar Lionel when all the new stuff hit the > market. Even the first generation MTH stuff isn't moving anymore! > But look at the bright side; It's a brand new Northern with a can > motor, electronic sound, and at a price that mere mortals can afford! > Collect the old ones, run the new ones! > Stumpy Stone...off to the races this weekend, y'all have fun at > Altoona! > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36178	From: dphobbies	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Summer Sale 50% off

We are having a sale on selected S Scale America tank and hopper cars. Time to make some shelf space for newer stuff. All cars are American Flyer compatible. MSRP on both cars is $39.98. Sale price is $19.99 each. Shipping is $8.00 in NA for any size order. The tank cars on sale are available in six road numbers are US Navy, US Army, Frontenac, Belcher Oil Co., Pan Am Oils, Shippers Car Line, and Canadian General Transit. The hopper cars available in two road numbers are Erie Lackawanna, Milwaukee, Penn Central, L&N, C&O/CSX, and Canadian National. Available in three road numbers are B&O, C&O, Conrail, NYC, Reading, Rio Grande, Southern and Western Maryland. Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36179	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Lessons learned: semaphores, 12VDC relays, bridge rectifiers, and s

After a few family distractions, I'm getting back to my project and wanted to report progress. First, many thanks to Tom Stoltz, Carl Tuveson, Bob Gaylord, Chuck Smith, and others who gave so generously of their time to pass on their knowledge. And Marty Thorin for the tip to use a lower voltage for the lights in turnouts. I certainly couldn't have gotten here without you all! The first thing I did was hook up a bridge rectifier to a 40-watt transformer that was only used to give my stockyard and Guilford station a bit less power to vibrate with. That powered the relays just great. Then Tom casually mentioned in a discussion of DC power that DC has its advantages for switches, I tried a pair on my 12VDC hookup. One switched fine, but the other buzzed without switching. I swapped the 40-watt transformer with the 50-watt that I use for lighting and got the same result. I tried cranking it up to full voltage but that didn't help either. Looking for alternatives, I realized that the 100-watt 8B that I use to power trains in one of my four zones didn't have anything else on it but a couple of uncouplers. So I switched the bridge rectifier to it and now my switches change reliably. Except for the pair that switch together. I have two lines through Union Station that come from the ssame mainline. One switch divides the mainline before the station and another rejoins them after it. Since I always want them switched the same direction, I put both on the same controller. The 18VAC from my big 18B transformer handles them just fine, but 12VDC doesn't. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36180	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: New Northern

Hmm, all interesting suppositions. Yes, the pic or drawing seems to show the late plastic center, alloy rimmed (big flanged too) tires. Only the outer four main drivers touch the track in traditional ACG designs. two of these are somewhat insulated from the rail by the traction tires. Some other way of picking up the power must be used besides the drivng wheels. In the Mikado, this is done from the trailing truck. That spring load we see in the illustration may be electrical pickup from the trailing truck, negating the need for power from the tender. I really hope not, as IMHO, that is just a complication that is not needed! Big L doesn't like to do things the ACG way, so expect some oddball changes! S' David D. PS. ACG catalogs describe the Northern as 21" long, and it will just fit on two pieces of 10" track, with overhang on both ends.(Important to know if you're going to build a turntable! (IE: better make the sucker 22" long!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36181	From: keefer1	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: New Northern

Or it could be the drawing is the same one used in the last lionel northern ad with the addition of s track. What of any significance has Lionel changed , to warrant the statement " Big L doesn't like > to do things the ACG > way, so expect some oddball changes!" --- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > Hmm, all interesting suppositions. Yes, the pic or > drawing seems to show the > late plastic center, alloy rimmed (big flanged too) > tires. Only the outer > four main drivers touch the track in traditional ACG > designs. two of these > are somewhat insulated from the rail by the traction > tires. Some other way > of picking up the power must be used besides the > drivng wheels. In the > Mikado, this is done from the trailing truck. That > spring load we see in the > illustration may be electrical pickup from the > trailing truck, negating the > need for power from the tender. I really hope not, > as IMHO, that is just a > complication that is not needed! Big L doesn't like > to do things the ACG > way, so expect some oddball changes! > S' > David D. > PS. ACG catalogs describe the Northern as 21" long, > and it will just fit on > two pieces of 10" track, with overhang on both > ends.(Important to know if > you're going to build a turntable! (IE: better make > the sucker 22" long!) > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36182	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 31, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36183	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Lessons learned: semaphores, 12VDC relays, bridge r

My apologies to Thorin Marty for getting his name backwards. And thanks to the firend who pointed it out. Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [S-Trains] Lessons learned: semaphores, 12VDC relays, bridge rectifiers, and stuff After a few family distractions, I'm getting back to my project and wanted to report progress. First, many thanks to Tom Stoltz, Carl Tuveson, Bob Gaylord, Chuck Smith, and others who gave so generously of their time to pass on their knowledge. And Marty Thorin for the tip to use a lower voltage for the lights in turnouts. I certainly couldn't have gotten here without you all! The first thing I did was hook up a bridge rectifier to a 40-watt transformer that was only used to give my stockyard and Guilford station a bit less power to vibrate with. That powered the relays just great. Then Tom casually mentioned in a discussion of DC power that DC has its advantages for switches, I tried a pair on my 12VDC hookup. One switched fine, but the other buzzed without switching. I swapped the 40-watt transformer with the 50-watt that I use for lighting and got the same result. I tried cranking it up to full voltage but that didn't help either. Looking for alternatives, I realized that the 100-watt 8B that I use to power trains in one of my four zones didn't have anything else on it but a couple of uncouplers. So I switched the bridge rectifier to it and now my switches change reliably. Except for the pair that switch together. I have two lines through Union Station that come from the ssame mainline. One switch divides the mainline before the station and another rejoins them after it. Since I always want them switched the same direction, I put both on the same controller. The 18VAC from my big 18B transformer handles them just fine, but 12VDC doesn't. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36184	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Greetings........I have a 21140 and 21139 and there does not appear to be any noticable casting detrioration, unlike the 21115 K5 , which Bob Tufts has written about in his "S Gaugian" column has very noticable problems. Yes, I did compare it to my K335, which is my earliest Northern. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Trump" <neil.trump@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Flyonel Northern. Quality > My understanding is that the main body castings are from the original > tooling and that they are not worn out, in fact they produced good casts > when tested by 'L'. > If you want to debate the quality of the origianl tooling, then we need to > find someone with a 21140 and an early 332 and do a comparison. > > Whatever a 21140 from 1960 looks like is at least what you are going to get > now. > > Now if you want to discuss the 0-8-0, then what tooling they have is in a > poor condition. In fact I believe they only have the tender die. The > engine die has not been found. Could have been lost in the machinery sale in > the 60's. > > Regards, > > Neil 'T' > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:32 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] The Flyonel Northern...talk at the hobby shop > > > > My local hobby shop guy, a long time toy train collector and dealer, > > says the tender might not be quite the same as original as the dies > > were worn out years ago and produced poor castings when last used. > > Look close at the art work in the print catalog(if that can be > > believed.) We'll see in December when he's told it is supposed to > > appear. > > The Northern is a repop of an "old" locomotive, maybe not up to > > appearance standards or possibly too many of the TMCC features would > > go unused, hence it is not offered. He thinks there is room for TMCC > > in such a large loco and tender, so it must be something other than > > space limitations. Cost perhaps? > > As to the price of original Flyer Northerns dropping, you can count > > on it, especially since the new one has can motor and sound. Look > > what happened to postwar Lionel when all the new stuff hit the > > market. Even the first generation MTH stuff isn't moving anymore! > > But look at the bright side; It's a brand new Northern with a can > > motor, electronic sound, and at a price that mere mortals can afford! > > Collect the old ones, run the new ones! > > Stumpy Stone...off to the races this weekend, y'all have fun at > > Altoona! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36185	From: Bruce	Date: 7/29/2005
Subject: Northern listings

What is taking "L" so long to put it on their website. And so far Grzyboski is the only murchant I've found on the web with any mention of its existence and price. Am I missing someone that I should have bookmarked? Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36186	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Northern

I was asked: "What of any significance has Lionel changed , to warrant the statement " Big L doesn't like to do things the ACG way, so expect some oddball changes!" " OK, the knuckle couplers (especially the die cast bodies that can cause shorts), the freight car trucks. I have been told of an engineer who was asked to redesign the caboose lighting set-up, because the old one wasn't "the L.....l way." BTW, I don't think the illustration is an old O gauge one, as it too closely resembles the ACG version--except for the lack of screws in the front tender sides. S' David D. PS And I'll probably buy one too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36187	From: JMatt	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Lionel Northern

In reading the Lionel Catalog correctly it appears that the "Gilbert Choo Choo" is being maintained in the Northern Engine. The Railsounds will be in the tender with the option of using the railsound or our infamous "Choo Choo" sound. That is great! Looking forward to getting a new Northern to run along side my Gilbert Northern. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36188	From: bruce weidner	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Lionel Northern

With the let down on the pacific I am going to wait and see if they do another run in other roadnames. Sure looks nice though.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36189	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

In a message dated 7/29/2005 10:16:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mkielek@... writes: tender die--engine-- Could have been lost in the machinery sale in the late 60's. Once again I am amazed at the response to a "rehashed" Flyer piece. The other "S" manufacturers invest time and money in NEW designs, NEW tooling, NEW products etc in response to the requests of the voices in the hobby. LIONEL, the marketing company selling trains "re-releases" another "oldie but goodie", deflating (potentially) the collector value of the original and probably their biggest improvement will be a can motor. IF the old molds are being used, WHY is the new locomotive so costly???? Bet it is the NAME, nothing else. WILL they put anyone's name on this piece?? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36190	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: Northern listings

Fishing for orders before committing to anything????? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36191	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Jim...... I hear UP is charging 50.00 per engine for use of their name.......... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <mkielek@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Flyonel Northern. Quality > > In a message dated 7/29/2005 10:16:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mkielek@... writes: > > tender die--engine-- Could have been lost in the machinery sale > in the late 60's. > > > > Once again I am amazed at the response to a "rehashed" Flyer piece. The > other "S" manufacturers invest time and money in NEW designs, NEW > tooling, NEW > products etc in response to the requests of the voices in the hobby. > LIONEL, > the marketing company selling trains "re-releases" another "oldie but > goodie", deflating (potentially) the collector value of the original and > probably > their biggest improvement will be a can motor. IF the old molds are > being > used, WHY is the new locomotive so costly???? Bet it is the NAME, > nothing else. > WILL they put anyone's name on this piece?? > > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36192	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Listers, I admit to "blowing off" the first part of this thread, since I collect only PREwar Flyer 3/16", including three Northerns, but now I am intrigued. Can someone please supply me with a link to picture(s) of what everyone is talking about? Google has failed me. Thank you. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36193	From: butchclimax	Date: 7/30/2005
Subject: F-unit

Was wondering where I might be able to find a F type engine shell as is shown above on the s-list Home page? Thanks, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36194	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: That "rare" 952 w/ opening doors car--it arrived

Hi all, Well, as I stated, "it will look fine on the layout" and that's it. The 952 are dry transfer numbers, one end has a bad chip, and multiple small scratches all about. But it does look fine on the track! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36195	From: N Becker	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern

The Lionel site I have only shows the first catalog. Please, will someone re-post the url for the rest of us? Thanks Neil Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:28:37 -0700 From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality Listers, I admit to "blowing off" the first part of this thread, since I collect only PREwar Flyer 3/16", including three Northerns, but now I am intrigued. Can someone please supply me with a link to picture(s) of what everyone is talking about? Google has failed me. Thank you. Dick Hosmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36196	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re Post of Lionel 2005-2 Catalog PreView

Here is a repost of the PreView of the 2005-2 Catalog link. Northern is on pages 82 and 83. http://toytrainsunlimited.com//Lionel-2005-V2/Lionel-2005-V2.htm This is a scan of the catalog by Toy Trains Unlimited and not on Lionel's Site yet. At to the "Pre Production Artwork" obiously is is a typo in refrence to its length. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36197	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

I find it difficult to see a royalty charge of $50 being placed on this item when it was my understanding that UP were charging about 3% or so in the aggreement that was issued to all manufacturers a while ago. 3% would equate to about $15 of the full retail price, which I suppose seems a reasonable fair figure considering the agressive stance they are taking on protecting a brand image. What I can't remember is if this 3% is based on the full retail price or the base cost to Lionel. If it was on the base cost to L then it will be a lot less than $15. On the other hand, if it is true that UP are charging $50 per loco then I personally feel that they are abusing their position for brand image and that there should be a means of changing this through the courts on the grounds of excessive profiteering through non core business. > Jim...... I hear UP is charging 50.00 per engine for use of their >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36198	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Sound Board

I have just added a new sound board from the Electric RR co. to my AF K5 pacific. This board is small and inexpensive and has a lot of features. It will operate with TMCC or without TMCC using track voltage for triggering whistle and bell. It also has a triggered chuff with 4 chuff cadence. I have the details posted on my web site at: http://www.tuveson.com/K5Sound/AddingSoundToSteam.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36199	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Dear Neil, The cost is based on the unit cost to the mfg. I do not think that Lionel has signed any agreement at this time. Remember they are still in Chapter 11 and the rules for them are different. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36200	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Guys....... I was funning about the 50.00 but on the other hand say they pay 15.00 for a part....... overhead, profit, the sec typing etc, the invoices, postage, etc....... Could reach 50.00 come to think of it!!!!!!! You take an item and you add all your costs, and profit....ergo 15 = 50..... Just like the pilot flying final..... stall is 50 knots x 1.3=65 final approach..... but better add 10 for the wife, 10 for the kids, 10 for grandmaw.......etc......then the speed is finally 100. yes I have been in the right seat and seen this happen...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Trump" <neil.trump@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Flyonel Northern. Quality >I find it difficult to see a royalty charge of $50 being placed on this >item > when it was my understanding that UP were charging about 3% or so in the > aggreement that was issued to all manufacturers a while ago. > > 3% would equate to about $15 of the full retail price, which I suppose > seems > a reasonable fair figure considering the agressive stance they are taking > on > protecting a brand image. What I can't remember is if this 3% is based on > the full retail price or the base cost to Lionel. If it was on the base > cost to L then it will be a lot less than $15. > > On the other hand, if it is true that UP are charging $50 per loco then I > personally feel that they are abusing their position for brand image and > that there should be a means of changing this through the courts on the > grounds of excessive profiteering through non core business. > > > >> Jim...... I hear UP is charging 50.00 per engine for use of their >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36201	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 31, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36202	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Good point Robert, The true cost of compliance would surely ratchet up the amount spent to get the product to the consumer. The added paperwork is a very real cost to a company. Roy > From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:03:17 -0400 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Flyonel Northern. Quality > > Guys....... I was funning about the 50.00 but on the other hand say they pay > 15.00 for a part....... overhead, profit, the sec typing etc, the invoices, > postage, etc....... Could reach 50.00 come to think of it!!!!!!! You take > an item and you add all your costs, and profit....ergo 15 = 50..... Just > like the pilot flying final..... stall is 50 knots x 1.3=65 final > approach..... but better add 10 for the wife, 10 for the kids, 10 for > grandmaw.......etc......then the speed is finally 100. yes I have been in > the right seat and seen this happen...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36203	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Rectiformer-history & parts

My small but growing A.F. collection has just been joined by a Rectiformer with the crinkle gray steel enclosure and a working vacuum tube. I unpacked this goody, which I presume is either a No. 14 or 16, plugged it in and behold, the tube glows with dull red (actually orange) just the way it should. But it does not have the steel cage that should go around the Sylvania No. 1237 tube. Does anyone know of a source of such a part? I'm as much a student of model railroading history as anything else in the hobby and have an interest in knowing some particulars about why Gilbert made DC-powered locomotives in S scale. The production years apparently were very limited because the Rectiformer I believe only was produced from 1947 to 1950. So, what types of DC locomotives did Gilbert produce in 3/16? My count only shows the U.P. 4-8-4 Northern and the N-K-P 0-8-0, based on catalogs from the era. Did I miss any? And, how do you tell apart a No. 14 and a No. 16 Rectiformer. Are the cases different? The DC sets I saw in S scale in the 1950 catalog did not come packed with a Rectiformer which had to be bought separately. Do you suppose sales of such sets went at a slower pace than their AC counterparts causing Gilbert to drop the Rectiformer altogether by the early 1950s? What makes the Rectiformer historically interesting is that it was the first A.F. transformer with four screw type terminals -- two for DC, two for AC accessories. I am assuming that Gilbert used the "base post" terminal on its AC transformers -- providing only three screw type terminals for track and accessories -- as a means of lowering manufacturing costs. Can anyone confirm that supposition? A.F. S scale locomotives with DC power were a brief but interesting post World War II chapter in Gilbert history. Would appreciate hearing from any list member who can shed further light on this subject. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36204	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/31/2005
Subject: Re: Subject: Lessons learned: semaphores, 12VDC relays, bridge rect

Interesting thought, but I tested several switches using short wires, only a foot or so long, before I gave up on it. I'm pretty sure that's not the problem. But thanks for the suggestion. I appreciate your thinking about it. That's what I Iove about the S-Trains Group - so many people willing to take the time to share their insights. Bob Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@...> wrote: I read through your posting, and it occurred to me that some of the results you described might happen if the gauge of the wires that run to the switches was undersize considering the length of the run. If you have not tried it, you might try lashing up one of the troublesome switches with heavy wire and see if one of those other transformers would then be sufficient for the job. Regards - Jim Armstrong --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36205	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] RE: Recent UP lawsuits

Dah... http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/27/business/transcol28.php Don Thompson wrote: > I saw this link from Mike Brock on the RR-licen >yahoo group... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36206	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Recent UP lawsuits

At Altoona, we had almost as many comments about our UP stand as the 2-8-0 (well almost). I saw this link from Mike Brock on the RR-licen yahoo group to a International Herald Tribune regarding an article about the UP suing a man in England and a company in Canada regarding a calendar with UP images. It is very interesting reading. I wish we could have afforded a lawyer to do the same. Don PS Had a great time in Altoona. Saw lots of friends and made some new ones too. For me, that is what the NASG Conventions are all about. If you did not get a chance to go this year, you will not want to miss next years in Pontiac, MI. It will be the third convention that I will have attended hosted by the SMSG and the first two were just awesome.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36207	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: LAF Norhtern IV

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > I can just barely tell from the blurry catalog copy that the just- announced > LAF Northern is 15-3/4" long. Since I no longer have one to look at, > wondering if someone who does own one of the originals could take a > measurement and report back to the list? I presume the new engine is a > reissue from the original tooling, but I have learned don't assume nothin.. > Also, wouldn't it be nice if they were to offer it in additional > roadnames... > Cheers :) > Roy Inman I'll bet it was a typo. The picture (a computer image, not an actual photo) is a dead-on copy of the Gilbert UP Northern. I can't imagine why they would significantly modify the design in such a way as to shorten the engine by ~6 inches. What was the length of the 2-8-2? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36208	From: Harley Jones	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Rectiformer-history & parts

I grew up with DC Flyer trains, however I believe my father changed the magnets that were electro to a permanent magnet. We used an AC transformer. The power wires first went to a rectifier then to direction switch , then to the track . My father didn't like Lionel because of the 3 rails and he didn't like turning a train on, then off, then on to change direction . I still have three of the converted steam engines on a shelf. I just went to S from HO. I run American Models & SHS DC high rail. He would just love the new stuff. Harley Jones Lewes, Delaware edhavens@... wrote: >My small but growing A.F. collection has just been joined by a >Rectiformer with the crinkle gray steel enclosure and a working vacuum >tube. I unpacked this goody, which I presume is either a No. 14 or 16, >plugged it in and behold, the tube glows with dull red (actually >orange) just the way it should. > But it does not have the steel cage that should go around the >Sylvania No. 1237 tube. Does anyone know of a source of such a part? > I'm as much a student of model railroading history as anything else >in the hobby and have an interest in knowing some particulars about >why Gilbert made DC-powered locomotives in S scale. The production >years apparently were very limited because the Rectiformer I believe >only was produced from 1947 to 1950. > So, what types of DC locomotives did Gilbert produce in 3/16? My >count only shows the U.P. 4-8-4 Northern and the N-K-P 0-8-0, based on >catalogs from the era. Did I miss any? > And, how do you tell apart a No. 14 and a No. 16 Rectiformer. Are the >cases different? > The DC sets I saw in S scale in the 1950 catalog did not come packed >with a Rectiformer which had to be bought separately. Do you suppose >sales of such sets went at a slower pace than their AC counterparts >causing Gilbert to drop the Rectiformer altogether by the early 1950s? > What makes the Rectiformer historically interesting is that it was >the first A.F. transformer with four screw type terminals -- two for >DC, two for AC accessories. > I am assuming that Gilbert used the "base post" terminal on its AC >transformers -- providing only three screw type terminals for track >and accessories -- as a means of lowering manufacturing costs. Can >anyone confirm that supposition? > A.F. S scale locomotives with DC power were a brief but interesting >post World War II chapter in Gilbert history. Would appreciate hearing >from any list member who can shed further light on this subject. > Edward B. Havens > Tucson, Ariz. > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- version="8" logging="no" name="People I Know" enabled="yes" type="1" condition="AND (from,is in ab,moz-abmdbdirectory://abook.mab)" name="Recent Mail" enabled="yes" type="1" condition="AND (age in days,is less than,1)" name="Last 5 Days" enabled="yes" type="1" condition="AND (age in days,is less than,5)" name="Not Junk" enabled="yes" type="1" condition="AND (junk status,isn't,2)" name="Has Attachments" enabled="yes" type="1" condition="AND (has attachment status,is,true)" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36209	From: The Wildlander	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: New forum for making trees

I started a forum for making miniature trees. I have had a lot of people ask me how to decorate the armatures and I am not as talented as others are. I am a botanist that collects the armatures and not very artistic or creative. So I created the forum so folks can get to talking and helping one another. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TreeMaking I have a cronic health issue that is causing me untold problems. So I am holding off on taking new orders in August (2005). Will still take orders but will fill them a month or two down the road. I apologize for the inconvenience to folks. -Ken http://www.upickers.com/knarly/knarly.asp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36210	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Guys..... I was funning about the 50.00..... but think realistacally..... If they buy something for 15..... they sure mark it up..... I know..... I am an Architect and I remember once meeting a client...... He used the term gd a lot....... every time he did my price for my service went up 500.00.... a simple 400.00 job cost him 7 because of his lauange...... when in business...... Pass ALL your costs on with profits added..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: rcon7@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Flyonel Northern. Quality Letter it based on U P's service level. UTTERLY PATHETIC. Is last yrs Christmas still in the harbor??? IF U P is charging LIONEL $50 per engine then they are charging YOU $50 per engine. LIONEL won't be out the money for long. Jim "helping to pay for the most expensive legislature in this great land" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36211	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: The Flyonel Northern. Quality

Letter it based on U P's service level. UTTERLY PATHETIC. Is last yrs Christmas still in the harbor??? IF U P is charging LIONEL $50 per engine then they are charging YOU $50 per engine. LIONEL won't be out the money for long. Jim "helping to pay for the most expensive legislature in this great land" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36212	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Fwd: Auto Rack

In a message dated 7/31/05 9:55:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bilfrazier writes: In a message dated 7/27/05 6:38:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:34:52 -0400 From: "Furmanak, Stan" <furmanak@...> Subject: RE: [S-Scale Modeling] Auto carrier Roy- I have never seen a Sunshine Models auto rack either in kit form or built-up except for the photo of the item recently up for bid on eBay. I do have the instructions and plans for an old Quality Craft HO 85' tri-level auto rack. The plans are available from the NMRA Kalmbach library. I suppose QC just never got around to offering an S scale version perhaps due to the 85' length??? Accu-Rail has an HO tri-level auto rack in kit form. Neither the Quality Craft nor the Accu-Rail kits appear difficult to construct. Either or both of the QC or Accu-Rail kits could be used as inspiration to scratch build an S scale auto-rack. The Accu-rail kit, being injected molded plastic, is highly detailed. I have not been able to locate any prototype measurements or drawings but a 60's/70's era tri-level auto-rack appears to be basically a flat car similar to Bill Wade's very nice F39 pig flat with a rack mounted on it. Stan Furmanak Annville, PA -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Roy Inman Sent: Tue 7/26/2005 5:25 PM To: S-Scale; S-trains Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Auto carrier OK, the talk of the auto carrier on eBay a short while back whetted . I took the plans from the Quality Craft HO kit and enlarged them to S scale, and then ordered the appropriate larger sizes of wood from Northeastern Scale Models. I substituted S scale ladders, brake details, trucks and couplers. It was entered in the model contest at the 2001 NASG convention, so a picture of it may still be on the internet somewhere. I loaded it with 1951 Studebakers, so it was not prototypical, date wise, but that's what I wanted to do. If you can build a craftsman type kit it is no big deal to create your own kit and then assemble it. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36213	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Model Train Show in Las Vegas

Yo Everyone: I'm trying to get some info on a model train show or hobby show in Las Vegas on Saturday August 6. It's in one of the casinos. I heard about it but don't remember the specifics. Can anyone help out with this? I'll be in Vegas from Saturday through Thursday. Since I've previously work in the gaming industry, going to Vegas and the Casinos to gamble,,,,, well let me just say I'd rather keep my money and buy trains. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36214	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Model Train Show in Las Vegas

Hi Bob and S-Colleagues, The event is the 2005 National Convention of the Toy Train Operating Society. You can get some further information from our web site at: http://www.ttos.org/ One of the promotional items is a set of casino chips printed with TTOS identification. Good Luck, Bill Porter > Yo Everyone: > > I'm trying to get some info on a model train show or hobby show in Las > Vegas on Saturday August 6. It's in one of the casinos. I heard about it > but don't remember the specifics. Can anyone help out with this? I'll be > in Vegas from Saturday through Thursday. Since I've previously work in the > gaming industry, going to Vegas and the Casinos to gamble,,,,, well let me > just say I'd rather keep my money and buy trains. > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36215	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re; Recent UP lawsuits

Some very interesting reading about the way UP is handling this deal compared to BNSF. BNSF has it right. On the other hand, have you ever heard what LIONEL gets for use of it's logo? No wonder they're not griping. The article hits a good point...a new corperate lawyer, probably trying to make a name for herself, started the action. I'll bet the marketing department never had a say in this! Stumpy Stone...this is typical corperate thnking, no common sense...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36216	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Model Train Show in Las Vegas

All I see is that the web site says the convention is in Las Vegas from the 2nd to the 6th with no other information. --- wpporter@... wrote: > Hi Bob and S-Colleagues, > > The event is the 2005 National Convention of the Toy Train Operating > Society. You can get some further information from our web site at: > > http://www.ttos.org/ > > One of the promotional items is a set of casino chips printed with > TTOS > identification. > > Good Luck, > Bill Porter > > > Yo Everyone: > > > > I'm trying to get some info on a model train show or hobby show in > Las > > Vegas on Saturday August 6. It's in one of the casinos. I heard > about it > > but don't remember the specifics. Can anyone help out with this? > I'll be > > in Vegas from Saturday through Thursday. Since I've previously work > in the > > gaming industry, going to Vegas and the Casinos to gamble,,,,, well > let me > > just say I'd rather keep my money and buy trains. > > > > Regards > > > > Bob Moyer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36217	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: SCENES AT NASG ALTOONA

I posted a few scenes from our convention and beyond starting with Roy Hoffman's Penn Western home layout. A few of us stopped at Roy's home on the way. Enjoy. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/npsgmodular1.html http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/npsgmodular2.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36218	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Northern listings

MSRP is at this point $499.00. Fishing for orders means they throw out the bait (the product) with the idea that IF enough orders come in, they will produce it. Otherwise, one more cancelled project. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36219	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: UP licensing requirements

UP has trademarked the American flag: _http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml_ (http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml) Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36220	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Flyer(all inclusive) section possible on OGR forum if enough intere

This is in no way an attempt to "steal" s-trains people but an opertunity to "S"pread to news about S scale/gauge and all things flyer and gilbert. If we express an interest to OGR they would consider an american flyer section on their forum just think of all the O-gaugers we could expose to S scale/gauge and even to the S-trains list. ;^>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36221	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: TreeMaking off to a good start

There are eight poasts covering two ways to make leaves for your trees. check it out at. > To learn more about the TreeMaking group, please > visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TreeMaking > > To start sending messages to members of this group, > simply > send email to > TreeMaking@yahoogroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36222	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer(all inclusive) section possible on OGR forum if enough in

Here is a link to the thread on the OGR forum of which Bruce speaks.. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/157104704/m/5671056703/r/1881033213#1881033213 (You may have to patch the link back together to get it to work) I put my $.02 worth there already. Like Bruce said the more exposure "S" gets the better. It is a different structure than the S-Trains forum in that a thread follows a post of an originating subject. For those not familiar with the OGR forum it is at: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x It's an interesting bit of reading. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bruce weidner Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:28 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer(all inclusive) section possible on OGR forum if enough interest generated This is in no way an attempt to "steal" s-trains people but an opertunity to "S"pread to news about S scale/gauge and all things flyer and gilbert. If we express an interest to OGR they would consider an american flyer section on their forum just think of all the O-gaugers we could expose to S scale/gauge and even to the S-trains list. ;^> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36223	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: Northern listings

A misreading of the situation, IMHO. Lionel would have to be pretty far down the track (so to speak) to have delivery by the end of the year. At a "street price" of ~$370, this is a 'lay down' for many Flyer operators. They will get the orders. Lionel has canceled only two significant cataloged items in the last ten years -- the infamous SD-40 under Kughn's management and the reissue of the stock yard (this for obvious reasons). Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/1/2005 10:50:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: Fishing for orders means they throw out the bait (the product) with the idea that IF enough orders come in, they will produce it. Otherwise, one more cancelled project. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36224	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

Wow, if we act quickly, maybe S gaugers can trademark motherhood and apple pie. Question: Is there a web site with suggested S gauge layouts? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <S-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] UP licensing requirements > UP has trademarked the American flag: > > _http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml_ > (http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml) > > > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36225	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

Watch what you wish. Lionel has already registered most American Flyer words and logos. Train clubs and dealers should have a letter with rules from Lionel if they use "American Flyer" or Gilbert logos in their name. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...> To: <S-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <WJJIM@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP licensing requirements > Wow, if we act quickly, maybe S gaugers can trademark motherhood and apple > pie. > Question: Is there a web site with suggested S gauge layouts? > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <WJJIM@...> > To: <S-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:51 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] UP licensing requirements > > > > UP has trademarked the American flag: > > > > _http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml_ > > (http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml) > > > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36226	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: A Big Thank You, Mfg of the Year

Hi Fellow S-gaugers, We want to take this opportunity to thank all of you for supporting us in our efforts leading to selecting us as "S Manufacturer of the Year" by the National Association of S Gaugers at the annual Convention in Altoona! What a surprise! We did not know of this great honor until yesterday. Sure hated to miss the convention. The funds just were not there for travel and such. Too many Dr and hospital bills etc this year. We will be doing our best to live up to this great honor with many improvements in our future kits. I have a new cleaner, straighter, fancier brick master pattern on my desk at this time. We hope to have the first in our new firehouse series available near the end of September or sooner. The firehouse series and future back alley series will have the new brick patterns. They are fantastic. Much better than our first effort. We have so many sketches and plans for future S kits and parts that we will be very busy for years to come. Thank you again, Keith Blanchard and the Pine Canyon crew, Kathy and Sheila, Two of the greatest artists one could ask for. I could not do without them. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36227	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

Wonder how hard it is to regiester something? I want to register "TOILET PAPER"..... I people don't like it sandpaper is available!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...> To: <S-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <WJJIM@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP licensing requirements > Wow, if we act quickly, maybe S gaugers can trademark motherhood and apple > pie. > Question: Is there a web site with suggested S gauge layouts? > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <WJJIM@...> > To: <S-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:51 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] UP licensing requirements > > >> UP has trademarked the American flag: >> >> _http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml_ >> (http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml) >> >> >> Jim Lyle >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36228	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: 2005 Vol 2 Lionel Catalog is online

Lionel has the latest catalog with the AF Northern re-issue up on their website now: http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/ Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36229	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/2/2005
Subject: Licensing; a fact of life

Much as I hate it when someone like UP takes ownership of their logo to extremes, they DO own it and have the right to do with it as they wish. Don't you dare make something using the logo of Lionel, Coca- cola, General Motors, etc., or any companies they have bought or merged with, or versions of those logos, without getting or buying permission! (Gee, that was a hell of a long sentence.) It's a world wide thing. Only the Chinese are ripping off corperate logos (and products) without consequences from what I've been told. They are building a Jeep clone, but claim there is no problem because the word Jeep appears in chinese characters, so it's not a "Jeep!" Manufacturers pay the licensing fee, and if necessary, pass it along to us. I guess we should just stop bitching and pay it, or not buy the item. It's a fact of life. UP is so big and it's customers so trapped into using their service that they don't care about the public relations failout. Stumpy Stone...really tired of the abuse big business and big government are heaping upon us...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36230	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: Pine Canyon Scale Models new Fire House Series

In S-Trains Digest Number 2747 Keith Blanchard of Pine Canyon Scale Models mentioned: "We hope to have the first in our new firehouse series available near the end of September or sooner. The firehouse series and future back alley series will have the new brick patterns. They are fantastic. Much better than our first effort." So, I eMailed Keith asking if there were any photos available of their new firehouse series. Here's what he replied: "Hi Randy, "Thank you for your response and interest in our products. "There are no photos of the new firehouse yet. It will be like nothing offered by any mfg. to date. We are very excited about this new series. Hopefully, we should have something to show in about 4 or 5 weeks. It will appear on our S-scale kits page. I can tell you that the firehouses will be actual 1/64 scale with doors made for the CODE 3 trucks. "Thank you again, "Keith" Just thought you might like to know! Regards, Randy Griggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36231	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: Licensing; a fact of life

Just to let you all know, that Major League Baseball charges any non professional team, at any level of play, $5 per shirt, to be able to use any nickname. This stuff happens everywhere in life and it isn't going to go away. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36232	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: "UP" Logos

I have added 2 logos to the S-Trains yahoo group photos. They are for the Utterly Pathetic RR and for the Uppity Pacific Railroad. They can be found at: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst?&.dir=/JTR&.src=gr&.view=t&start=1&.rand=8315514674 Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36233	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: 2005 NASG Convention report from Altoona PA

Hi All, I am finally back from over a week on the road at the NASG Convention with an extra 2 days tacked on the end to go to Ohio to see my friend and a Bruce Springsteen concert. I have thrown together some photos in no particular order. (I took 1100 photos!) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Altoona_1.jpg Railfanning at Horseshoe Curve The HO layout of Paul Gagermier The great time we had at East Broad Top Norfolk Southern tour of the former PRR Juanita Loco Shops 2 shots of Johnstown PA from the inclined plane including the 1 PRR Bridge that withstood the 1889 flood. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Altoona_2.jpg Henry Streilein's American Flyer layout A battle of the scratchbuilt electrics in the contest room. Keith Thompson's PRR P5 and Ed Loizeaux's NYC CUT Loco were awesome! Actually Ed's was display only. The Altoona Model Train Museum S Gauge layout at Lakemont Park The PRR "Queen Mary" FD2 flat car made into a stage (how sad!) at the Altoona Railroad Museum A line of new cars at Railcar America in Johnstown http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Altoona_3.jpg 3 shots of various Railfanning in downtown Altoona Revisiting my old friend, an X29 in very good condition. I don't know what its future is at this time. The tour at Cassandra overlook Dick Karnes with a NYC shirt on but thinking about the Mighty PRR. Matt Lacko is telling him he should switch to the Red Team and leave the Gray Team behind. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Altoona_4.jpg Dave Heine and Andy "Smoooth Jazz" Malette give an impromptu performance in the lobby. 2005 was FINALLY our year at Pennsy S Models. We made it to "The Big Dance". While the X29 project is not completed yet it is imminent. We had 4 different X29 versions on our table as well as the debut of our new logo. We also made surprise introductions with 2 NEW cars, our second project the PRR G26, and possible third project, (not committed yet) the N&W H9 hopper. We may have had the only project debuts at the convention. We sold every G26 we had with us within the first few hours. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Bob_Werre.jpg Bob Werre has the honor of being Pennsy S Model's first Cash N Carry customer with a G26. Thanks Bob! It is MOST appreciated. We plan on making this our normal way to sell our cars! (:->) Dan and I were actually pounced on while setting up the table and 4 G26 were gone before we were finished. We could also get used to that as well. This is just a small sample of the great time I had, but then again, it IS ALTOONA! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production cars have arrived as of 6-30-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36234	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: Licensing; a fact of life

Licensing; a fact of life mrstumpy50 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email mrstumpy50 wrote: > they DO own it and have the right to do with it as they >wish. That seems to be one of the points of contention, whether after decades of neglect, UP does indeed still own EXCLUSIVE rights to the logos under discussion. Apparently, there may be a case that they don't, anymore. Hafta let the courts decide. >UP is so big and it's customers so trapped into using their service >that they don't care about the public relations failout. That may not always be true anymore, either. A relative of mine who works for a certain Asian motorcycle company tells me they have been shifting much of their shipping business from U.P. to CSX. I don't see how they could do that in all parts of the continental U.S., but when there's a choice, they go with CSX. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36235	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

UP is also lettering at least one unit per Fallen Flag, will send links to picks IF I can get them to work. Covering all their bases I guess. As aforementioned, one former Fed lawyer apparently came up with this idea, which leads to this reminder, "We have over 75% of ALL of the lawyers in the WORLD in this country, yet we have NO open season AND allow them to breed freely". Seems so sad. Jim "helping to pay the country's most expensive legislature" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36236	From: John Foley	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Photos at Altoona

Hi Folks Click below for some fun photos at Altoona. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzephmsb/id2.html John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36237	From: Chris Burger	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: UP licensing

OK, This is how I see it. Most people on the list seem to feel that since the UP is just now starting this process they have no right to the very logo they created or copied many years ago. Since it has kind of been kept in a box in the closet so to speak .Therefore I conclude that all of you who have had your trains in boxes in closets all these years and did not use them, no longer do you have the right to call those trains yours. They belong to me now. I see, now that I want to use what you haven't really used or protected all these years, You've decided they still belong to you and you don't think I should have the use of "your "trains. But they just sat in the boxes all these years unused and unprotected by you, now you think you have a right to tell me no way can I use them? That's just not fair. I want to play with them. I know, it's far fetched,but in a way it makes sense to me. Sign me , just playing around with the heads of the guys on the s-trains list, CB Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36238	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing

Chris, Didn't your mother tell you it isn't nice to play with heads? :) Just kidding. And I see the analogy you are trying to make except that UP's logo is "intellectual property" as defined by the courts and statues, and "our" (your?) trains are "real" or "physical" property. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Chris Burger <cbtrainnut@...> > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:55:34 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] UP licensing > > I know, it's far fetched,but in a way it makes sense to me. > Sign me , just playing around with the heads of the guys on the s-trains list, > CB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36239	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: New! AF Poll on OGR Forum for new S/AF section !

Here is a chance to make a difference for "S" gauge... The moderators of the OGR forum are considering adding a section for "S" and AC Gilbert etc. The OGR Forum is one of the best and most active Model train forums around. This is a quote from the OGR Forum Moderator's thread introducing the poll. "OK, we've set up a poll that will stay at the top of this Suggestion Box forum for a couple of weeks. Let's see if we can get an idea of how much interest there is in having an S-Gauge forum! " Here is link for the poll. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/157104704/m/4951094313 Here is a thread that started the idea of adding an "S" section. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/157104704/m/5671056703 You must join the forum to vote but it's is free and easy to join, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36240	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

Jim, If you ever get that open season, let me know so I can stay home. Dale "probably not the only lawyer on the list" Smith Pacifica, CA P.S. I think you are safe as neither of my kids want to be lawyers. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP licensing requirements > UP is also lettering at least one unit per Fallen Flag, will send links to > picks IF I can get them to work. Covering all their bases I guess. As > aforementioned, one former Fed lawyer apparently came up with this idea, > which > leads to this reminder, "We have over 75% of ALL of the lawyers in the > WORLD in > this country, yet we have NO open season AND allow them to breed freely". > Seems so sad. > > Jim "helping to pay the country's most expensive legislature" Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36241	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing

I have to accept that intellectual property is still property. If it weren't how would writers and musicians make a living. What really gets me about the UP licensing policy is what they registered the trademarks for. They have always been registered as a trademark for transportation of goods, but now they registered them as trademarks for the manufacture of model trains, in essence, a brandname for model trains. If trademarks are intended to be signs of the quality of the product, how does this work for model trains, which they will let anyone who pays the fee manufacture. I would probably not object as much if they opened their own factory and went into competition with Lionel and others. I wonder how they would feel if a really lousy manufacturer payed the license fee and then turned out a really crummy product. While they are within their rights to make money off their logos, the real question is whether they want cash or good will. This policy has gotten them a lot of ill will from the people who are most interested in them as an industry. UP has done a lot of good in their steam and historical preservation activities. They could have made lemonade out of this situation by simply devoting all proceeds from the licensing program to historical and steam preservation activities. I am sure they are spending more on that now than they can hope to get from the licensing program. If they did, I am sure most of us would not be reacting so negatively to this program. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "Chris Burger" <cbtrainnut@...>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] UP licensing > Chris, > Didn't your mother tell you it isn't nice to play with heads? :) > Just kidding. > And I see the analogy you are trying to make except that UP's logo is > "intellectual property" as defined by the courts and statues, and "our" > (your?) trains are "real" or "physical" property. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > >> From: Chris Burger <cbtrainnut@...> >> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:55:34 -0700 (PDT) >> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [S-Trains] UP licensing >> >> I know, it's far fetched,but in a way it makes sense to me. >> Sign me , just playing around with the heads of the guys on the s-trains >> list, >> CB > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36242	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Pickle's Delight, Shamefull Advertisement

Hi Fellow S-Gaugers, We have just today posted our new Pickles Delight kit for S-scale. This kit is available fully painted or unpainted. Also, the parts are available separatley on the second page of our S-scale parts pages. Painting the bands and simulated water on these vats take a bit of time, so Kathy is really after it. Here is a link to the page for the kit. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/549pickles.htm If the link does not work, it is located on our S-scale kits page. These kits should start shipping within a couple weeks. Sorry for the cross posting on 3 forum groups. We are excited and just plain having fun. Thank you again for supporting our S-scale efforts.. We are very busy creating new goodies for our S-scale friends. Keith Blanchard and the Pine Canyon crew. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36243	From: jt12313	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: auto racks

Over the years I have kitbashed the Lionel O27 three level haulers to two level units. Passable but not the best. I have also realized that I need to remove about 1/4" from the height of the unit to get it closer to true S, the width is ok but even the two decker is too tall, unless all you haul on your line are big trucks. What I have been meaning to do for a while is combine flyer and Lionel plastic parts to build car haulers. I have number of Lionel car hauler deck and support parts, what I need to acquire are a couple of flyer or repo flat car units, make one larger flat from two, cover the simulated wood with plastic diamond plate and use other than a flyer truck unit. Should hold up to ten 1/64 cars. It would be nice if American models or SHS made an auto rack but... I fear the unit would be so long as a scale peace that it would not go around anything with using original flyer curves. Meanwhile I will continue kitbashing over the winter months [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36244	From: theheadliner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

Actually, I think that it was nice that UP posted all of those logos in one place and at good enough resolution that they can be easily transferred to clear stencil material on any good color inkjet or laser printer in the size that would be appropriate for use on AF equipment. Hope you read all the fine print and saw the statement: "These restrictions do not apply to in-home model railroad hobbyists who create Union Pacific-branded equipment for personal use." meaning you can use them anyway you want on your own layout - you just can't sell them. Jerry _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36245	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

There has been issues with small manufactures of resin model kits of Starwars and other copyrighted material but they have gotten by with it by calling them "garage shop kits" maybe Union Pacific is not as well protected as they want us to think they are. --- theheadliner <theheadliner@...> wrote: > > > Actually, I think that it was nice that UP posted > all of those logos in one place and at good enough > resolution that they can be easily transferred to > clear stencil material on any good color inkjet or > laser printer in the size that would be appropriate > for use on AF equipment. > > Hope you read all the fine print and saw the > statement: "These restrictions do not apply to > in-home model railroad hobbyists who create Union > Pacific-branded equipment for personal use." meaning > you can use them anyway you want on your own layout > - you just can't sell them. > > Jerry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - > http://www.myway.com > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36246	From: theheadliner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

Actually, I think that it was nice that UP posted all of those logos in one place and at good enough resolution that they can be easily transferred to clear stencil material on any good color inkjet or laser printer in the size that would be appropriate for use on AF equipment. Hope you read all the fine print and saw the statement: "These restrictions do not apply to in-home model railroad hobbyists who create Union Pacific-branded equipment for personal use." meaning you can use them anyway you want on your own layout - you just can't sell them. If you got 2 copies of this, blame yahoo. The first one kicked back said I sent from the wrong email address, which I did not. Jerry _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36247	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: S gauge on OGR forum

Of 20 votes so far 18 are for adding an S gauge/Flyer section 1 against and one don't care either way.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36248	From: theheadliner	Date: 8/4/2005
Subject: Re: UP licensing requirements

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: UP licensing requirements Do you have a link to those logos you speak of John ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John, The link is one I got from an earlier email on this list. Here it again, if you missed it - http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/index.shtml There are 26 logos of UP and other lines that are now under control of UP on the site. I am more interested in some of the other lines myself. They are nor too awfully big, averaging around 150 X 130. However they are good and sharp and have to be reduced to make AF sized logos. Tries some and they look very good as stencils. Jerry _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36249	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit

Greetings! Thought I would give the 322 SIT some exercise but it cycles at several points on the layout. The other engines I run do not have this problem. After doing the following, preformance has improved but we are still cycling at highest speeds. What have I missed?Pick up springs, bushings and washers. Checked for bent axles and cleaned wheels. Installed bushings in tender trucks. Squared tender trucks and set wheel spacing. Removed the center wheelsets. Run with and without tape on the bottom of the tender trucks and brass buttons with no change. Drive wheels are "tight". Your thoughts are appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36250	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cycling E-unit

Beyond what you've already apparently checked, I would ensure that the drawbar isn't bent, and that the wires between engine and tender have adequate "play" in them. In either case, it can cause the tender wheels to lift off the track just enough to break the electrical contact between wheel and rail. If it's usually happening on curves, I would bet that is the problem. ******ORIGINAL MESSAGE******** <<<<<<<<Greetings! Thought I would give the 322 SIT some exercise but it cycles at several points on the layout. The other engines I run do not have this problem. After doing the following, preformance has improved but we are still cycling at highest speeds. What have I missed?Pick up springs, bushings and washers. Checked for bent axles and cleaned wheels. Installed bushings in tender trucks. Squared tender trucks and set wheel spacing. Removed the center wheelsets. Run with and without tape on the bottom of the tender trucks and brass buttons with no change. Drive wheels are "tight". Your thoughts are appreciated!>>>>>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36251	From: lember2004	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: layout software recommendation, please

I would appreciate a recommendation of good software I can buy for use in lay-out design. I will be designing an AF layout using standard Gilbert track. What makes it a little tricky is that the space for the lay-out is not a nice rectangle, but an irregularly shaped area. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36252	From: Jim Marski	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Flyer 3/16 O

Anyone know of any sort of price guide for Flyer 3/16 O? Thanks, Jim Marski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36253	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer 3/16 O

Jim, The only one I know is Greenberg's guide to Prewar AF "O" gauge. Not sure it is still in print, and it would be terribly dated by now, though prices seem to have fallen from what they were at about 3 years ago (when I was buying it like a crazy idiot). I still have the 4106 and 4127 sets from my childhood. Keep an eye on Ebay, and see what it goes for. Desirable: Locos: Northern, Hudson, 0-8-0 (would be 1st, except they're all NG) Pass: 524, 521, 496, 497 (actually rarer than the diecast) Freight: 503, 506, 508, 510, 512, 514, 516 (UP over NYC), 480 (red base) Middle of the road: Locos: Pacific, B&O Pass: 490 w/whistle Freight: 480 (silver/blue), 481, 482, 483, 488 Drugs on the market/Common: Locos: Atlantic Pass: 494, 495 (red is MOST common color, dark green, blue, & Tuscan better) Freight: 476, 478, 480 (black), 486 Just my thoughts! :-) Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36254	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: layout software recommendation, please

I have Train Tracker I like it,would like it better when I understand how to use all the features. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "lember2004" <lember2004@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] layout software recommendation, please >I would appreciate a recommendation of good software I can buy for use > in lay-out design. I will be designing an AF layout using standard > Gilbert track. What makes it a little tricky is that the space for the > lay-out is not a nice rectangle, but an irregularly shaped area. Thanks! > Mark > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36255	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 7, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/5/2005
Subject: Re: Cycling E-unit

It sounds to me like the "fingers" in the e-unit itself have holes in them. Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: Beyond what you've already apparently checked, I would ensure that the drawbar isn't bent, and that the wires between engine and tender have adequate "play" in them. In either case, it can cause the tender wheels to lift off the track just enough to break the electrical contact between wheel and rail. If it's usually happening on curves, I would bet that is the problem. ******ORIGINAL MESSAGE******** <<<<<<<>>>>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36257	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Re: Cycling E-unit

I jumped on that one because it's the problem I had with my 322 and your first message didn't mention it. Other than that, I'm waiting to see if anyone else has suggestions. I, too, have problems in a couple of places. Three are switches, notorious places for e-units, and one straight stretch of track that hasn't been cleaned for longer than I will admit publicly. I'm going to look into Doug's question because my 322 does have the habit of lifting its tender wheels on the switch at the end of one of my curves. Bob charlie and edith <charlieandedith@...> wrote: Thanks for your thoughts! Had cleaned drum and installed new fingers. Can you think of anything else? Thanks, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: charlieandedith@... Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Cycling E-unit It sounds to me like the "fingers" in the e-unit itself have holes in them. Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: Beyond what you've already apparently checked, I would ensure that the drawbar isn't bent, and that the wires between engine and tender have adequate "play" in them. In either case, it can cause the tender wheels to lift off the track just enough to break the electrical contact between wheel and rail. If it's usually happening on curves, I would bet that is the problem. ******ORIGINAL MESSAGE******** <<<<<<<>>>>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36258	From: klaatu1944	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Horn/Whistle Control

Hi Can someone help with a wiring diagram to use two of the Liionel 8251-50 horn/whistle controllers to control the horn and bell on a Lionel/AF B unit? I have connected the 5906 controllers (2 wire) with success) but I have one more loop to do and only have two of the 8251's (4 wire) left. Can't seem to get the right combination to get both the horn and bell to work with these. Thanks Eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36259	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The August list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com for your summer shopping pleasure. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36260	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: KITS WANTED

Hi, If you have any old Trainstuff or Quality Craft unbuilt kits you would like to sell, please contact me off line. Thanks, Jack Bartman Walden NY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36261	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: SHS Classics Sale - One Week Left!

Thanks to everyone for your great support! Between web sales, calls from the quarterly update, and the NASG Convention, our first SHS Classics Sale has been a great success! Many of the items are sold out, and some in very short supply, but there are still some great bargains. Sale ends next Friday, August 12. Check out the details at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSaleClassics.html Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36262	From: firex43	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Cycling E Unit

In the past, I have found that inside the tender the pressure contact of the tab pressing on the truck rivet head was not of sufficient pressure or had crud build up between the tab and the rivet heads. Cleaning the surfaces and adjusting pressure as needed did the trick for me. Another idea is to use dielectric silicone compound between the tab and the rivet head to ensure good and clean contact. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36263	From: EagleTrains	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Re: layout software recommendation, please

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@y...> wrote: > I would appreciate a recommendation of good software I can buy for use > in lay-out design. I will be designing an AF layout using standard > Gilbert track. What makes it a little tricky is that the space for the > lay-out is not a nice rectangle, but an irregularly shaped area. Thanks! > Mark I use RR-Track for Windows, and am very happy with it. I have also used an older program called RLW410. It is a DOS based program, but it allows you to design and define your own track components. You should be able to find either of these programs using Google. Skip

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36264	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: TCA "e-Train" Online Magazine

The "e-Train" is a quarterly, online publication of the TCA of which I am a member as are many of you. The Summer issue has 12 articles that can be found at: _http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/_ (http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/) I think the article on 6464 box cars is a quintessential work. Any takers for writing an article on "Super O"? Any one interested? Maybe we can colaborate if you need some assistance. Almost 200,000 hits. Check out those back issues. Very best, Mike Spanier The History of Lionel "Super O" Track ( _http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/operating/supero/index.html_ (http://www.tcamembers.org/articles/operating/supero/index.html) ) Lionel_SuperO_Track Yahoo Group ( _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel_SuperO_Track/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lionel_SuperO_Track/) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36265	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: S gauge poll on OGR Forum update

Of 28 votes so far 26 for S one against and one don't care one way or the other. Even O gaugers are somewhat bitten by the Flyer bug ;^)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36266	From: lember2004	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: Answers received to sotware recommendation question

Thank you to all respondants to my query on recommended lay-out design software. Almost all suggested the program RR-Track. A google search took me to their website and I am ordering the version for AF track that also can display Gilbert era accessories and Plasticville. Thanks! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36267	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: A WORD ABOUT E-BAY.... A VERY LONG ONE

I know alot of you do not like E-Bay & their polices. I have to say a good word about them, but keep in mind I have said my share of negitive also. I bought a 372 UP gp-7 from a seller that when I asked prior to bidding if it said Bilt by Gilbert or American Flyer. His reply was by flyer. So I bid on it & won. When it arrives it is bilt by Gilbert. We argued on the phone & by E-Mail. He said send it back for a full refund. I replied no way & we came to an agreement ,that he would send me $80 back, that changed to $50. I filed a complaint with E-Bay, US Postal service, Etc. Anyway after sending E-Bay alot of printed E-mails from him & estamates of it's true value. & Waiting forever 4-5 months E-Bay has ruled in my favor & is refunding the book value -$25 to my Paypal account. MORAL: You can win if you keep every bit of e-mail & keep dogging e-bay. It also helped that I proved the seller & a friend were shilling & instead of paying the reserve fees the had another bid to the reserve that they wanted. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36268	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/6/2005
Subject: One more convention story

Hi All, I forgot to include this in my Convention report earlier this week. One of the tours was to the Johnstown PA area for various attractions. The bus took us through the small town of Lilley PA. Within 5 minutes we were going though the next town, Munster.......... Thank You, Bill Lane  Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com   Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36269	From: paflyrman	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Shilling on Ebay

I would be interested in knowing how someone goes about proving that shilling has occured. It would seem almost impossible to prove that any two users know each other beyond perhaps a past relationship as seller and bidder. paflyrman (working on a Sakai)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36270	From: sdsailman	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: 342 Help Please

Hoping someone will have the patience to help me. Recently I acquired a 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Road unit. It is a smoke in tender unit and in VGC+ . . . .except that the ID numbers on the Car are all but entirely worn off. Question; Can someone tell me how to differentiate between the various iteration/differences between the 342, 342AC and 342DC. I'm sore there must be some obvious visual keys,, and although I collect American Flyer S, I don't know near enough . . .yet. Thanks in advance. Rick Moyer Email: WestCoastAFDepot@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36271	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Re: Shilling on Ebay

Almost impossible to tell for sure....... same state, same city..... look at past bids on other items... different to see if the same name pops up...... would love to know for myself!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "paflyrman" <4567@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Shilling on Ebay >I would be interested in knowing how someone goes about proving that > shilling has occured. It would seem almost impossible to prove that > any two users know each other beyond perhaps a past relationship as > seller and bidder. > > paflyrman > (working on a Sakai) > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36272	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Re: 342 Help Please

M aybe I can help a little...... smoke in tender 342 cam in 46 and 47 years...... ac has 4 wires and dc has 2 wires between the tender and the loco....... in 47 both versions were put out with 342 on the cab.... the npr came with and without the box around it on the tender...... look at the coupler shank.....thick or thin?.... 47 or 46.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "sdsailman" <SDSAILMAN@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 342 Help Please > Hoping someone will have the patience to help me. Recently I acquired > a 0-8-0 Nickel Plate Road unit. It is a smoke in tender unit and in > VGC+ . . . .except that the ID numbers on the Car are all but entirely > worn off. > > Question; Can someone tell me how to differentiate between the various > iteration/differences between the 342, 342AC and 342DC. I'm sore > there must be some obvious visual keys,, and although I collect > American Flyer S, I don't know near enough . . .yet. > > Thanks in advance. > Rick Moyer > Email: WestCoastAFDepot@... > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36273	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 7, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36274	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Lionel Mikado

Anyone on the list know of a dealer, or anyone, that has the new S gauge Lionel 2-8-2 for sale? Please respond off list. Thanks, Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36275	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 8/7/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado

Sorry for the double post. I'm looking for the Lionel S gauge 2-8-2 with New York Central markings chudgr@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Chudzinski To: s-trains@... Sent: 8/7/2005 10:27:36 PM Subject: Lionel Mikado Anyone on the list know of a dealer, or anyone, that has the new S gauge Lionel 2-8-2 for sale? Please respond off list. Thanks, Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36276	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Cycling reverse unit

This is sometimes caused by the tender truck insulating shoulder washer starting to seperate. That allows the truck to swivel more than intended, so it lifts off the rail just slightly enough to cause the reverse unit to cycle, but not let you know what's happening! Tender trucks should pivot freely, but not rock side to side. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36277	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: 2005 Convention Cars

Anyone received any of the TCA 2005 Convention cars or know when to expect them? Neil Holcomb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36278	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: More Northern Options....

Just received an interesting email from American Models (text below)....looks like there will be several options for a Northern in the near future. Karl AMERICAN MODELS INTRODUCES A DETAILED 4-8-4 NORTHERN First come..... First served. AMERICAN MODELS NEW 4-8-4 NORTHERN The largest 4-8-4 prototype ever built, Sante Fe's war time 2900's First time ever modeled in S scale, in development almost 3 years! 23 inches long - Die cast - Engine weight over 4 lbs. - Total weight over 6 lbs. DC versions with smoke & choo choo sound (Scale or Hi Rail) $369.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) $399.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound, electronic whistle and bell .......................................................... $449.95 FEATURES: Die cast boiler, frame, wheel centers, pilot, cab trucks, tender and trucks, metal wire details, headlight, powerful 5 pole motor. Smoke (with on/off switch), choo choo chug sound with 2 chug per revolution mechanical piston drive unit (twice the speed of the old flyer for realism), all 16 tender wheels are flanged and pick up electrical current. Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. Limited production run, Prepurchase advised. Will also be offered in Rock Island's Oil Burning 5100's (5110 & 5115) and Lehigh Valley and The Burlington Route which will be available with 6 wheel coal tender. The incorporation of detailed Die Cast construction, wire handrails, more realistic prototypical mechanical chug, on/off smoke, electronic bell and whistle, 5 pole motor with AM's rugged drive system, added details like brakes and jeweled marker lamps, all demonstrate contemporary technologies. The design goal was to incorporate the new available technologies and greater detail to blend with engines designed and manufactured years ago. Consequently, the ultimate challenge of designing the largest and most detailed Northern with a sixteen all wheel pick up tender to run on 20 inch radius AF type curve track while maintaining as much prototypical detail was addressed. This Locomotive is totally compatible with American Flyer (R) track and will bring detailed "BIG STEAM POWER" with realism and sound to your layout scale or High Rail. The limited lifetime warranty completes the greatest offer ever made for a new "S" Gauge Steam engine. Expected delivery January 2006. Limited production run, Prepurchase advised.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36279	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: More Northern Options....

Hi all: Well, who wants to buy Lionel's remake when we (may) have this one to purchase? Any info from our usual suppliers (Joe, Doug, etc.?). regards Rance Velapoldi, (Norway) Karl Raab wrote: >Just received an interesting email from American Models (text >below)....looks like there will be several options for a Northern in >the near future. >Karl > > > >AMERICAN MODELS INTRODUCES > >A DETAILED 4-8-4 NORTHERN >First come..... First served. > > >AMERICAN MODELS NEW 4-8-4 NORTHERN > > >The largest 4-8-4 prototype ever built, Sante Fe's war time 2900's >First time ever modeled in S scale, in development almost 3 years! >23 inches long - Die cast - Engine weight over 4 lbs. - Total >weight over 6 lbs. > > >DC versions with smoke & choo choo sound (Scale or Hi Rail) >$369.95 >AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) >$399.95 >AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound, >electronic whistle and >bell .......................................................... >$449.95 > > >FEATURES: >Die cast boiler, frame, wheel centers, pilot, cab trucks, tender and >trucks, metal wire details, headlight, powerful 5 pole motor. >Smoke (with on/off switch), choo choo chug sound with 2 chug per >revolution mechanical piston drive unit (twice the speed of the old >flyer for realism), all 16 tender wheels are flanged and pick up >electrical current. >Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. >Limited production run, Prepurchase advised. > >Will also be offered in Rock Island's Oil Burning 5100's (5110 & >5115) and >Lehigh Valley and The Burlington Route which will be available with 6 >wheel coal tender. > >The incorporation of detailed Die Cast construction, wire handrails, >more realistic prototypical mechanical chug, on/off smoke, electronic >bell and whistle, 5 pole motor with AM's rugged drive system, added >details like brakes and jeweled marker lamps, all demonstrate >contemporary technologies. The design goal was to incorporate the >new available technologies and greater detail to blend with engines >designed and manufactured years ago. > >Consequently, the ultimate challenge of designing the largest and >most detailed Northern with a sixteen all wheel pick up tender to run >on 20 inch radius AF type curve track while maintaining as much >prototypical detail was addressed. This Locomotive is totally >compatible with American Flyer (R) track and will bring detailed "BIG >STEAM POWER" with realism and sound to your layout scale or High >Rail. The limited lifetime warranty completes the greatest offer ever >made for a new "S" Gauge Steam engine. >Expected delivery January 2006. >Limited production run, Prepurchase advised. > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36280	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: More Northern Options....

i think somebody is funning...... I tried their site...... NO LISTING for it...... post a link....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "velapoldi" <velapoldi@...> To: "Karl Raab" <Frilen@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More Northern Options.... > Hi all: > Well, who wants to buy Lionel's remake when we (may) have this one to > purchase? Any info from our usual suppliers (Joe, Doug, etc.?). > regards > Rance Velapoldi, (Norway) > > Karl Raab wrote: > >>Just received an interesting email from American Models (text >>below)....looks like there will be several options for a Northern in >>the near future. >>Karl >> >> >> >>AMERICAN MODELS INTRODUCES >> >>A DETAILED 4-8-4 NORTHERN >>First come..... First served. >> >> >>AMERICAN MODELS NEW 4-8-4 NORTHERN >> >> >>The largest 4-8-4 prototype ever built, Sante Fe's war time 2900's >>First time ever modeled in S scale, in development almost 3 years! >>23 inches long - Die cast - Engine weight over 4 lbs. - Total >>weight over 6 lbs. >> >> >>DC versions with smoke & choo choo sound (Scale or Hi Rail) >>$369.95 >>AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) >>$399.95 >>AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound, >>electronic whistle and >>bell .......................................................... >>$449.95 >> >> >>FEATURES: >>Die cast boiler, frame, wheel centers, pilot, cab trucks, tender and >>trucks, metal wire details, headlight, powerful 5 pole motor. >>Smoke (with on/off switch), choo choo chug sound with 2 chug per >>revolution mechanical piston drive unit (twice the speed of the old >>flyer for realism), all 16 tender wheels are flanged and pick up >>electrical current. >>Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. >>Limited production run, Prepurchase advised. >> >>Will also be offered in Rock Island's Oil Burning 5100's (5110 & >>5115) and >>Lehigh Valley and The Burlington Route which will be available with 6 >>wheel coal tender. >> >>The incorporation of detailed Die Cast construction, wire handrails, >>more realistic prototypical mechanical chug, on/off smoke, electronic >>bell and whistle, 5 pole motor with AM's rugged drive system, added >>details like brakes and jeweled marker lamps, all demonstrate >>contemporary technologies. The design goal was to incorporate the >>new available technologies and greater detail to blend with engines >>designed and manufactured years ago. >> >>Consequently, the ultimate challenge of designing the largest and >>most detailed Northern with a sixteen all wheel pick up tender to run >>on 20 inch radius AF type curve track while maintaining as much >>prototypical detail was addressed. This Locomotive is totally >>compatible with American Flyer (R) track and will bring detailed "BIG >>STEAM POWER" with realism and sound to your layout scale or High >>Rail. The limited lifetime warranty completes the greatest offer ever >>made for a new "S" Gauge Steam engine. >>Expected delivery January 2006. >>Limited production run, Prepurchase advised. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36281	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: American Models 4-8-4 Photo Added

Added the American Models Northern 4-8-4 photo that was attached to the email... http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s- trains/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm=Photo+of+American+Models+4-8- 4.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst% 3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36282	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: American Models Northern

Guys and Gals it's the real deal, I just talked to Ron and I now have one order! I hate that when that happens.. They haven't gotten it up on the web site yet but are taking pre orders. The photo is the actual pre-production loco. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36283	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: More Northern Options....

Appears that since the Lionel Northern doesn't have the fancy electronics that the AM version is a superior deal and the Lehigh looks like it meets my coal burning needs. However, would like to see real picture before I buy especially of the tender but on the other hand might have to order blind because of interest. Checked AM web page and nothing up yet. If anyone gets a picture of either one would appreciate knowing where. Would like to have both but my train budget is under a grand next year and there are other things that I need for my layout. Regads, Joe H -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karl Raab Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:43 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] More Northern Options.... Just received an interesting email from American Models (text below)....looks like there will be several options for a Northern in the near future. Karl AMERICAN MODELS INTRODUCES A DETAILED 4-8-4 NORTHERN First come..... First served. AMERICAN MODELS NEW 4-8-4 NORTHERN The largest 4-8-4 prototype ever built, Sante Fe's war time 2900's First time ever modeled in S scale, in development almost 3 years! 23 inches long - Die cast - Engine weight over 4 lbs. - Total weight over 6 lbs. DC versions with smoke & choo choo sound (Scale or Hi Rail) $369.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound (runs Flyer curve track) $399.95 AC Flyer with smoke & choo choo sound, electronic whistle and bell .......................................................... $449.95 FEATURES: Die cast boiler, frame, wheel centers, pilot, cab trucks, tender and trucks, metal wire details, headlight, powerful 5 pole motor. Smoke (with on/off switch), choo choo chug sound with 2 chug per revolution mechanical piston drive unit (twice the speed of the old flyer for realism), all 16 tender wheels are flanged and pick up electrical current. Fully compatible with AF 20" radius track. Limited production run, Prepurchase advised. Will also be offered in Rock Island's Oil Burning 5100's (5110 & 5115) and Lehigh Valley and The Burlington Route which will be available with 6 wheel coal tender. The incorporation of detailed Die Cast construction, wire handrails, more realistic prototypical mechanical chug, on/off smoke, electronic bell and whistle, 5 pole motor with AM's rugged drive system, added details like brakes and jeweled marker lamps, all demonstrate contemporary technologies. The design goal was to incorporate the new available technologies and greater detail to blend with engines designed and manufactured years ago. Consequently, the ultimate challenge of designing the largest and most detailed Northern with a sixteen all wheel pick up tender to run on 20 inch radius AF type curve track while maintaining as much prototypical detail was addressed. This Locomotive is totally compatible with American Flyer (R) track and will bring detailed "BIG STEAM POWER" with realism and sound to your layout scale or High Rail. The limited lifetime warranty completes the greatest offer ever made for a new "S" Gauge Steam engine. Expected delivery January 2006. Limited production run, Prepurchase advised. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36284	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: AM Northern Picture

I have posted the Picture that was E-mailed of the Northern at: http://www.tuveson.com/AMNorthern.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36285	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: S is the way to go!

With the announcement today of American Models new Northern Steam Engine, S Helper's new Consolidation, and Flyonel's new Northern and their Mikado, S Scale/Gauge is the way to go with many diesels and Cars provided by all the manufacturers i feel like I did in O gauge, just more than I can imagine to purchase. I am glad that I made the switch from O gauge funny 3 rails to S Scale, the true Scale! Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36286	From: fiantoni	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Wisconsin Train Museums

I am heading to Chicago on Friday and will be on a vacation heading north to the Upper Michigan Peninsula. Are there any good train museums on the way? I see one in Green Bay that looks interesting. Any others?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36287	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Train Museums

Try the Illinois RR Museum in Union, IL. See: http://www.irm.org/ Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/8/2005 5:05:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, Frank.I.Antonides@... writes: I am heading to Chicago on Friday and will be on a vacation heading north to the Upper Michigan Peninsula. Are there any good train museums on the way? I see one in Green Bay that looks interesting. Any others? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36288	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Northern

JUST SPOKE WITH RON........ ORDERED MINE 2..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Northern > Guys and Gals it's the real deal, > > I just talked to Ron and I now have one order! I hate that when that > happens.. > > They haven't gotten it up on the web site yet but are taking pre orders. > > The photo is the actual pre-production loco. > > Carl > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36289	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Northern online

The new AM Northern is now listed on the web site www.americanmodels.com Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36290	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Northern question?

A couple of questions for all of you S folks more knowledgeable of prototypes than I: the information on the AM web site about the new Northern says that the ATSF comes with a 16-wheel tender. It also says that the Burlington comes with a 6-wheel tender. Is this a typo, or is that the way the prototype was delivered? Also, I am wondering if the 16-wheel version goes with the Rock Island as well as the ATSF? Or was that long tender peculiar to the ATSF? Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36291	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Northern question?

On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 07:58 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > A couple of questions for all of you S folks more knowledgeable of > prototypes than I: the information on the AM web site about the new > Northern > says that the ATSF comes with a 16-wheel tender. It also says that the > Burlington comes with a 6-wheel tender. Is this a typo, or is that the > way > the prototype was delivered? Also, I am wondering if the 16-wheel > version > goes with the Rock Island as well as the ATSF? Or was that long tender > peculiar to the ATSF? > Thanks in advance for any help :) > Roy Inman Gentlemen This is a AT&SF steam engine and has nothing to do with any other RR in the world. You can put CB&Q or RI on it and change the tender or just change the trucks and you still have a AT&SF engine modifide as it never was in it's life. All I have seen of it are the photos you have seen and it looks nice. I will wait and see it up close. Enough said. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... I wish the buck stopped here as I could use a few

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36292	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/8/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit

Greetings! My thanks to all for the suggestions on correcting the "cycling". After I have worked through all the suggestions I will post a summary. David, there is a lot of "side to side' play in the trucks,quite a bit more then any of the other engines. If memory serves me correct (a reason to keep notes?), I changed the bushings and washers when I changed the pick-up springs. Assuming I purchased the correct bushings, washers and rivets ... how do I reduce the "play"? Perhaps a second washer or ...? Also, what is the best route for the smoke tube through the engine ... the old one has two deep compressions, is there a way to avoid these? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36293	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Of Northerns and Turntables

It figures, I post a suggestion that one's turntable should be at least 22" long to accomodate a northern, and AM comes out with one that's 23" long! Sometimes on the prototypes a loco would just fit on the table, with couplers overhanging, but it looks like ya'd better make that puppy 24" long, unless you have a Challenger or a Cab-Forward (or a Yellowstone, or .. .), in which case it'll have to be even longer, unless you can put it on the table sans tender, as was done very occassionally. BTW, (as was pointed out to Barb some time back) normally all you saw from the turntable end of the big house was tender behinds (bad pun there, but I'M not going to use it!), as the locomotives were in the rear area of the house, where there would be more room to work on them. Of course most Modeller put them in the other way round, 'cause it looks more intersting (Even the Portland roundhouse group poses 4449 and the 700 that way for effect). Gee, two Northerns. Think my '16 Dodge is gonna have to wait for tires for another year. . . S' David D. PS--And one Northern is an oil burner---YES!!! It's about time for one! (That's about all us west coast folks ever saw) PPS, missed Chat Sunday, was at a Theater Organ concert in Sacramento (with Sundaes served afterwards--YUMMM). (Almost as good as a Funnel Cake) :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36294	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Re: Northerns

We are now accepting orders for both the Flyonel Northern and the Am Models Northerns, as well as both Flyonel Xmas cars. Picture and pricing for the AM Northern are now on our homepage. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36295	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Wisconsin Train Museums

A trip to the Train Museum in Green Bay is well worth it. They do not operate as many trains as the Illinois RR Museum but the do have a contiuous loop. You may want to check to see what type of train will be in operation. Just to see the "Big Boy" is worth the trip. Wayne --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36296	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Re: K Line - and the Big Boy

Perhaps K Line will be thinking "Big Boy" now that Flyonel and American Models are coming out with their Northern Steamers, it sure would be great. Once again guys as a former O gauger for 50 years it is exciting to see what is taking place with our S Gauge/Scale trains. I look at videos of my O gauge layout, which i recreated in S scale (S Hleper track) and the really big difference is 2 rails versus the 3 toy like rails of O gauge, plus the scale realism of S Helper, American Model Steamers and Diesels, I am so happy to be a "S" railroader. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36297	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Cycling Reverse Unit (BTW, "E-unit is a Big L term!) :) & truck play

In answer to Charlie's question on reducing side to side play of the tender trucks, even after replacing the insulating bushings. When you remove the old rivits, most folks punch them out from the truck side. During this process, the truck frame gets "smooshed" a bit. ACG's trucks are really very prototypical. That raised ring around the rivet hole duplicates the side bearings on the real thing--OK, a bit simplified, but still the same theory & physics. if the center of the truck has been flatened out (smooshed), then the truck will have too much side play when reassembled. I use a round (although a square piece would work) piece of steel in my vise that is bigger than the ring area and a piece that is just a bit smaller than the ring, and hammer the area back into shape. I needs to be very even, just look at one that hasn't been removed to see the correct shape. If you get it too tight (can't tell until you rivet the truck to the frame) you can place the rivet inside a piece of tubing just larger than the rivet & insulating bushing that is clamped in your vice, and then lightly strike the rivet with your swaging tool to "smoosh" the truck a little bit, just enough so that it can pivot easily. To check your new bushings, to make certain they aren't the wrong size, place one in the tender base, place the flat washer over it. The bushing should be flush with the washer surface, or just a little bit lower than it, but not higher than it. I don't recall seeing any that were wrong. I usually tin the rivet before installing, and am careful to not put any stress on the bushing while soldering, as the plastic bushings can melt during the process. That's why the ACG ones were made of fiber! If you melt the bushing, your trucks will have too much side play! Hmm, this looks like it's clear as mud, but I hope it helps. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36298	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: SHS Classics Sale Expanded

So many items have sold out that the sale page was looking a little empty. So we added a couple of SW-1s, a couple of box cars, and a bunch of 3 car sets, mostly hoppers. The 3 car sets net out at 6 cars for $100, so its a great opportunity to increase your roster a great price! Sale ends August 26. Sale is at: http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSaleClassics.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36299	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Train humor

On vacation, a man and his wife check into a hotel. The husband wants to have a snack at the restaurant, but his wife is extremely tired so she decides to go on up to their room to rest. She lies down on the bed... just then, a train passes by very close to the window and shakes the room so hard she's thrown out of the bed. Thinking this must be a freak occurrence, she lies down once more. But just a few minutes later a train again shakes the room so violently, she's pitched to the floor. Exasperated, she calls the front desk and asks for the manager who says he'll be right up. The manager is skeptical but the wife insists the story is true. "Look... lie here on the bed -- you'll be thrown right to the floor!" So he lies down next to the wife. Just then the husband walks in. He takes one look at the manager lying in bed with his wife and yells, "Hey! What are you doing in here!?" The manager calmly replies, "Would you believe I'm waiting for a train?" (Maybe it was the American Models 4-8-4) Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36300	From: yahtra	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Hudson Freight Set 5106-WT question

A friend found this set while cleaning out her family's attic--they know very little about it other that it was purchased around 1951???? The set has: #2 transformer 325AC steam engine & tender 625 tank car 629 stock car 630E caboose 631 gondola 690 Track Terminal straight & curved track XA11666 Air Chime Whistle Controller Wood screws There are also a bunch of other stuff but am not sure if they are part of set or extra items. 249 Tunnel 592A Crossing Gate 693 Track Locks 696 Track Trip 697 Pressure Type Track Trip 706 Uncoupler 736 Stock Car with little cows inside 754 Tresle bridge 760 Highway Flasher 780 Railroad Trestle Set stockyard & switch electric wire pole cattle coral-loading ramp-little horse Also a couple of things marked Lewis Marks Toys: 0218 Crossing Watchman Revolving Beacon Tower Most of the numbers come off the boxes for each piece but since all the stuff is spread among the original box & another box, I'm just not sure what came with the set & what was purchased seperately. My friend will want to sell this... should we try to set up the train to make sure it runs first? Anything we should be careful about. Its been stored in a dark attic closet for many years, packed in original boxes, never got wet, etc. I guess also, I should ask if anyone has any idea of the value of these trains.... Many thanks for any assistance you can give us....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36301	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: Re: Train Humor

Gee...I can understand this one. We once stayed in a motel in Muncie, IN. where the tracks ran so close to the place that the ballast was up against the back wall of the building. The trains ran only late at night due to a city ordinance prohibiting the blocking of road crossings by long trains. And they ran about a half hour apart from Midnight to 5 AM! To make matters worse, trains going south blew their air horns for the crossing right by the motel! (I'm sure with a smile.) Of course every third car had dragging brakes or flat spotted wheels. Being train folks we didn't call the manager. But that first train was a hell of a shock! Stumpy Stone...thanks for the memories...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36302	From: aglorince	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: semi annual magazine sale

> i have back issues of mainline modler, railmodel journal, s-gaugian, > sn3, 3/16 scale model railroading, s/sn3 modeling guide available. > prices will be about 75% of list and will include us postage. > > contact direct for lists. > > andy lorince > alorince@y...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36303	From: aglorince	Date: 8/9/2005
Subject: american models clearance sale

i have the following pieces available. > > FP7 BURLINGTON NOTHERN SCALE 1 > FP7 GREAT NOTHERN SCALE 1 > > FP7 PENNSYLVANIA GREEN SCALE 1 > FP7 PENNSYLVANIA RED SCALE 2 > FP7 UNION PACIFIC HIRAIL 2 > GGI UNDECORATED HIRAIL 1 > GP 35 ANN ARBOR SCALE 1 > GP 35 SOUTHERN PACIFIC HIRAIL 1 > GP 35 WISCONSIN CENTRAL DC HIRAIL RTR 1 > GP9 EIRE LACKAWANA HIRAIL DC 1 > GP9 NEW HAVEN SCALE 1 > GP9 NEW YORK CENTRAL SCALE 1 > > > the following pieces are being sold as a package. > NEW HAVEN HEAVY WEIGHT BAGGAGE HIRAIL 1 > NEW HAVEN HEAVYWEIGHT COMBINE HIRAIL 1 > NEW HAVEN HEAVY WEIGHT COACH HIRAIL 1 > NEW HAVEN HEAVY WEIGHT OBSER HIRAIL 1 > NEW HAVEN HEAVYWEIGHT RPO HIRAIL 1 > PA 2 SET NEW HAVEN AC HIRAIL WITH SOUND 1 > > > contact direct for additional information. > andy lorince > alorince@y...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36304	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit

Charlie When you mentioned the smoke tube it brought to mind my old 320 Hudson engine. This old girl displayed many of the same problems you have mentioned. I also replaced the tender truck bushings with no change. So I changed the tender trucks to the more modern 326 type. Still no help. I shortened and straightened the draw bar (mainly for looks). The e unit fingers were new, everything was in order and I was at whits end... Until...I turned the engine on its back and put a 3 inch piece of electrical tape over the little brass buttons on the bottom of the engine itself. That fixed it!!! It seems the buttons were hitting the diverging rail in the switches just enough to tap or bounce the engine and jarring the e unit. The tape does not last that long, however it is inexpensive. The old tape residue easily cleans up with a Q tip and alcohol. Just a thought. Hope this helps Ernie Mennecke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36305	From: beebear	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Classics Sale Expanded

Bill I think you had better read that sale statement again! You have to buy 2 items to get 2 items free that would be 12 hoppers for $16.50 each or $198.00 ========================== Quoted from their web site: "So to make it easy, we are doing our first SHS Classics Sale! The rules are simple, Buy any 2 items from the list below, and choose 2 more items from the list, at an equal or lessor value, and we will include them free! Order the items you want to buy in the normal way, and tell us the items you want free in the comments. All items must be from the list below. Some items are in short supply, so don't delay! If you choose an item listed as limited availability (or less) please list an alternate in the comments." ============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Clark" <billclark42@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SHS Classics Sale Expanded > So many items have sold out that the sale page was looking a little empty. > So we added a couple of SW-1s, a couple of box cars, and a bunch of 3 car > sets, mostly hoppers. The 3 car sets net out at 6 cars for $100, so its a > great opportunity to increase your roster a great price! Sale ends August > 26. Sale is at: > > http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSaleClassics.html > > Thanks! > Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36306	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: FW: Help with prototype photo III

Here is another good source for prototype photos of the 2900 series ATSF Northern. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@...> > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:41:04 -0500 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: Help with prototype photo > > The most concise source I know of is a little paperback book called "Santa > Fe 4-8-4 Northern Pictorial: Photo Album Series Vo. 51, by Duane Karam Jr. > and Jeff Ainsworth, Monte Vista Publishing, 2000. > > This publication is available through the mail order and internet RR book > dealers and from well stocked model shops - About $25. > It has 17 pages, one photo per page, of the 2900 class, showing the entire > side of the engine and tender, including > 2900, Pasadena, 1946, Fireman side > 2901, Pasadena, 1947, Fireman Side > 2904, Pasadena, 1947, Fireman side > 2908, Pasadena, 1947, Fireman side > 2909, Argentine, 1944, Engineer side > 2911, Argentine, 1945, Engineer side > 2914, LA, 1948, Fireman side > 2915, Pasadena, 1946, Fireman side > 2916, LA, 1946, Engineer side > 2917, Pasadena, 1947, Fireman side > 2921, Pasadena, 1946, Fireman side > 2923, LA, 1946, Engineer Side > 2924, Pasadena, 1946, Fireman side > 2926, Pasadena, 1947, Fireman side > 2926, Fullerton, 1948, Engineer Side > 2928, Pasadena, 1945, Fireman side > 2929, San Bernardino, 1947, Engineer side > 2929, San Diego, 1952, Engineer side > > Numerous other photos are in print and many available from the photo sales > folks like Stan Kistler. Some of the photo seller links can be found at our > Company Store ikon on the ATSFRR.net website.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36307	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: SHS Classics Sale Expanded

Reply from Robin: The sale is mix and match. The sales rules on the top of the website sales page explain that one must buy 2 items from the list below, and choose 2 more items from the list of equal or lesser value, and we will include them free. You can buy 1 set of hoppers and get one set free, then you can buy a box car and get one free, or you can mix the product anyway you want Customers are not locked into 4 sets of hoppers. Yours, Robin Thompson S-Helper Service At 06:58 AM 8/10/2005 -0400, beebear wrote: >Bill > >I think you had better read that sale statement again! You have to buy 2 >items to get 2 items free >that would be 12 hoppers for $16.50 each or $198.00 > >========================== >Quoted from their web site: > >"So to make it easy, we are doing our first SHS Classics Sale! The rules are >simple, Buy any 2 items >from the list below, and choose 2 more items from the list, at an equal or >lessor value, and we will >include them free! Order the items you want to buy in the normal way, and >tell us the items you want >free in the comments. All items must be from the list below. Some items are >in short supply, so don't >delay! If you choose an item listed as limited availability (or less) please >list an alternate in the comments." > >============================== > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Clark" <billclark42@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:09 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] SHS Classics Sale Expanded > > > > So many items have sold out that the sale page was looking a little empty. > > So we added a couple of SW-1s, a couple of box cars, and a bunch of 3 car > > sets, mostly hoppers. The 3 car sets net out at 6 cars for $100, so its a > > great opportunity to increase your roster a great price! Sale ends August > > 26. Sale is at: > > > > http://www.showcaseline.com/indexSaleClassics.html > > > > Thanks! > > Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36308	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: PICS of Horseshoe Curve and RR'ing in the Alleghenies

To all, Please find below a link to an album within the Glancy Trains Modular RR Club site containing pictures taken during the week of the NASG Convention. The album includes a variety of real trains and locales visited during the week. Those 'trapped' on the bus tour on Thursday can catch up on the NS Horseshoe Curve traffic to be seen that day. Enjoy! Bob Bubeck http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album76?page=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36309	From: trainman634	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Best Roadbed fot AM Track

Which roadbed works best with American Models track? What roadbed do you use on your layout?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36310	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: AM Northern

I just got back from visiting the AM factory to reserve my Northern and saw it "in the flesh". The photo on the site is indeed the pre production model. New photos of other roads are being prepared, but the photo really doesn't do justice to the model. The cast-in and add-on details make this locomotive resemble a brass one. And the production version will have better details yet. There is plenty of room in the cab for detailing a backhead. The drivers and rods are very nice. The hirail version has flanges that don't look a lot larger than the scale version. The eight wheel trucks on the tender are ingenouosly designed to go around Flyer radii, and all wheels pick up power. In testing the locomotive, the guys at the shop ran it through Flyer turnouts at full speed, forward and backward without derailments. But be advised, if this thing flys off the track, it could do some serious damage to the floor or your foot! It's a hefty beast! All in all, this is one very nice item. I can't wait to get the production version. Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36311	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains 20% OFF Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 36312	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Best Roadbed fot AM Track

I used cork. A combination of 1 piece HO width and 1 piece O gauge width cork roadbed is just the right width. Scenery Unlimited also sells the same stuff with equal width halves made for S width. Roadbed can be glued down, then AM track glued to it. We used this method for both my home layout and our club modules. The track is really secure after ballast is added and glued in place. Chuck Smith, ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes4260@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Best Roadbed fot AM Track > Which roadbed works best with American Models track? What roadbed do > you use on your layout? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36313	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2754

In a message dated 8/10/2005 6:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 6 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:08:32 -0400 From: "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...> Subject: Train humor Now THAT was funny. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36314	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Northern question?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > A couple of questions for all of you S folks more knowledgeable of > prototypes than I: the information on the AM web site about the new Northern > says that the ATSF comes with a 16-wheel tender. It also says that the > Burlington comes with a 6-wheel tender. Is this a typo, or is that the way > the prototype was delivered? Also, I am wondering if the 16-wheel version > goes with the Rock Island as well as the ATSF? Or was that long tender > peculiar to the ATSF? > Thanks in advance for any help :) > Roy Inman The prototype modeled by AM for this locomotive is the ATSF 2900- class. While the other roadnames being offered owned 4-8-4's, they were of different designs than what AM will offer (which will simply be the Santa Fe-based prototype with CB&Q, CRI&P, and LV markings and some tender modifications). It's kind of like taking a Flyer Hudson and lettering it for Nickle Plate, Wabash, or Santa Fe. Each of these railroads had 4-6-4's, but none of them resembled the New York Central prototype modeled by Gilbert. Prototype photo of ATSF 2900-class Northern: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_sf2914.jpg Prototype photo of Rock Island 5100-class Northern: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?//march98/03-30-98.2/ri5114.jpg Prototype photo of Burlington O-5 class Northern: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?//january99/01-04- 99/cbxq5629.jpg Prototype photo of Lehigh Valley T-2a class Northern: http://www.llarson.com/steam/schenzinger/images/NA96.jpg But, that is one of the problems with marketing a steam locomotive: real steam locomotives were very nearly custom-designed to suit each railroad's preferences and therefore had a unique appearance. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36315	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: roadbed

I have recently used VinylBed with American Classic flex track. I am very pleased. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36316	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: Northern question?

I am surprised that so far no one has asked the important question. Can the smoke stack be extended as on the prototype?? Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: srgriggs Sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:54:48 -0700 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Northern question? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > A couple of questions for all of you S folks more knowledgeable of > prototypes than I: the information on the AM web site about the new Northern > says that the ATSF comes with a 16-wheel tender. It also says that the > Burlington comes with a 6-wheel tender. Is this a typo, or is that the way > the prototype was delivered? Also, I am wondering if the 16-wheel version > goes with the Rock Island as well as the ATSF? Or was that long tender > peculiar to the ATSF? > Thanks in advance for any help :) > Roy Inman The prototype modeled by AM for this locomotive is the ATSF 2900- class. While the other roadnames being offered owned 4-8-4's, they were of different designs than what AM will offer (which will simply be the Santa Fe-based prototype with CB&Q, CRI&P, and LV markings and some tender modifications). It's kind of like taking a Flyer Hudson and lettering it for Nickle Plate, Wabash, or Santa Fe. Each of these railroads had 4-6-4's, but none of them resembled the New York Central prototype modeled by Gilbert. Prototype photo of ATSF 2900-class Northern: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_sf2914.jpg Prototype photo of Rock Island 5100-class Northern: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?//march98/03-30-98.2/ri5114.jpg Prototype photo of Burlington O-5 class Northern: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?//january99/01-04- 99/cbxq5629.jpg Prototype photo of Lehigh Valley T-2a class Northern: http://www.llarson.com/steam/schenzinger/images/NA96.jpg But, that is one of the problems with marketing a steam locomotive: real steam locomotives were very nearly custom-designed to suit each railroad's preferences and therefore had a unique appearance. Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36317	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: AM Northern

To answer two questions posed by others: 1. There is another tender offered. It will look like the RI or Lehigh one. It's a new die casting. 2. The smoke stack doesn't extend, but there is a (dummy) mechanism that looks like it could. Sort of a pantograph arrangement. Other details on the boiler will be changed to more closely resemble other roads than SF. Guys, you'll like this one! Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36318	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit,smooshed

Greetings, David .... great word! I checked for "smooshed" truck tops and tender bottoms, all look "normal". I cut some shirt cardboard washers to take the side to side play out of the trucks, added a strip of electrical tape over the brass buttoms and now have only an occasional cycle at highest speeds. I am getting some sparking from the lead wheelset on the rear truck? The rivets are the correct part number .... I have some in copper and brass and they appear to be the same. Adding a second washer would seem to be the solution? What would be the best location for the second washer .... at the tender base under the rivet head or between the truck and the tender base, or ....? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36319	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains 20% OFF Sale

Let's make it last for the whole month of August just in case someone is on vacation this week! Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36320	From: Phil K	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: Breaking news: K-Line settles lawsuit with Lionel

Click here to go to Trains.com for the full story: http://tinyurl.com/8frs4 Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36321	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: Cycling Reverse unit

HI Charlie, Yes, I do like to use, uh, "colorful" words (that sometimes don't exist??). BUT! Brain Fart! sparking from the truck---ah HA! the six wheel trucks get wear on the axle bearings (the diecast truck sides) and the bottom of the truck sides can then rub on the rail, or the switch frogs and provide a momentary short-just enough to cycle the unit. Two fixes: 1) file the bottom of the truck sides. or 2) add the brass bushings sold by many of the "usual suspects" to bring the axles back um, hm, UP or DOWN, depending on one's point of view! Be sure that all three axles of each truck are parallel, so the wheels all rest on the rails eqaully. RE: the brass buttons on the loco chassis. Maybe wedge the buttons up out of the way with a toothpick? I haven't tried this, but sounds like it would work, and wouldn't permanently change anything. S' David D. PS. Boy, the locomotive choices this year are sure getting to be exciting!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36322	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/11/2005
Subject: S gauge trains

The time of S gauge is here, not only is it growing but even in forums such as OGR it is popular enough that O Gauge Railroading is giving some serious consideration to adding a Flyer S gauge section to its On-line forum. Perhaps it is time for MTH to show up Lionel and K-line with a well thought out and feature packed line of S gauge trains. MTH has produced some awsome stuff and has even dabbled in HO where it is allready overcrowded but why not S? S is more in line with your O and Standard trains. Both Lionel and American models are coming out with a Northern locomotive, if you want to see what the market is on S I would watch both products and their reception.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36323	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Lionel switchers?

Does anyone know when the Flyer Santa Fe & B&O 0-6-0 yard switchers will be delivered to the dealers? As I recall they were in the 2004 Lionel catalog. By the way, the Rocky Mtn. Div. of the TCA will hold their summer train show this weekend in Denver. It will be held at the Holiday Inn at I-70 & Chambers. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36324	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel switchers?

Lionel's shipping schedule on their web site says Sept 05 for both of the docksiders and the Southern and UP Mikados. By their 'usual' practice, this would be at the END of September. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/12/2005 9:19:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, ruth.leahy@... writes: Does anyone know when the Flyer Santa Fe & B&O 0-6-0 yard switchers will be delivered to the dealers? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36325	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 14, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36326	From: G Nichol	Date: 8/12/2005
Subject: Website updated with more available postwar Flyer items - NicksTrai

Hi all! I have recently bought a collection of S gauge American Flyer - mostly postwar with a few of the usual modern items - new MP set, new Pony Express, some S Fest cars, etc. Some of the postwar items include 980 series boxcars, 24409 NP reefer and other 5 digit cars, 910 tank car, Greenberg hardcover set guides, catalogs, a few boxed sets, and more. I will also continue to update the site with more items such as a (21)234 C&O GP, 336 Northern, 343s, 342s, 21155, etc. Take a look when you have a chance. http://www.nickstrains.com/AmerFlyerOrange.htm Thanks! Greg Nick www.NicksTrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36327	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Who is Albert C. Ruocchio and why is he registering various railroa

After Scott's comment about the UP vs. K line lawsuit, I went to the USPTO web site and checked to see if other railroads had registered their marks as marks for the manufacture of toy and model trains and found that they hadn't, but Mr. Ruocchio had!! He has New York Central, CB&Q, PRR, Southern, CNJ, ERIE and many others. Some are live and others dead. I did a search and found that he is involved with TCA and has written a book on track planning with Maury Klein. Is he planning on licensing them out? Or is he doing it to stop the RR's from doing what UP has done. If you want to see the rest of them search the owner field for Ruocchio. USPTO web site is http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm Very interesting. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36328	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Silver Bullet repair

I got a worn silver bullet locomotive with a box of in-need-of-repair post war AF stuff. The mechanical issues are straight forward, but I am not sure what to do about the cosmetics. In particular, the chrome has flaked off in places but the decals are mostly ok. I am not a collector, but I like to repair the AF that needs help. My goal for this locomotive is to give it TLC and then put it into the hands of someone who would find it more appealing than I do. My question is whether it is better to re-chrome and decal the shell, or to just clean it up but leave the shell alone. Thanks in advance for your advice. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36329	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Re: S gauge trains

--- "M.T.H. Customer Service" <sales@...> wrote: > Dear Mr. Weidner, > > Thank you for your email message expressing your > interest in seeing M.T.H. > release some S Gauge locomotives in the future. We > certainly appreciate > your comments and suggestions for without consumer > input we would be hard > pressed to continue producing a product line you > find appealing. > > We do receive input from other S Gauge modelers > about seeing M.T.H. enter > this category in the future. We do track these > requests and will pass on > your comments to our marketing and product > development teams for additional > evaluation. > > Sincerely, > > M.T.H. Customer Service > > > At 09:13 PM 8/11/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >The time of S gauge is here, not only is it growing > >but even in forums such as OGR it is popular enough > >that O Gauge Railroading is giving some serious > >consideration to adding a Flyer S gauge section to > its > >On-line forum. Perhaps it is time for MTH to show > up > >Lionel and K-line with a well thought out and > feature > >packed line of S gauge trains. MTH has produced > some > >awsome stuff and has even dabbled in HO where it is > >allready overcrowded but why not S? S is more in > line > >with your O and Standard trains. Both Lionel and > >American models are coming out with a Northern > >locomotive, if you want to see what the market is > on S > >I would watch both products and their reception. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36330	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2005
Subject: Re: Edison, N.J. train show

I went to the Greenberg Train Show in Edison N. J. today. It was typical - no S layout! There were three people selling AF. One fellow had do not touch signs on just about everything. Needless to say I didn't linger there. There were 4 American Model cars for sale. An add said that the upcoming train show in New Haven Conn. will have 3 S gauge layouts - Conn. S Gaugers, Bristol S Gaugers & The Buckages AF layout. A "O" gauge Company from Checkia(?) had an impressive display. The cars are beautiful, but the engines are O. However the rolling stock looked like it could be converted to S gauge. The price range for the cars is $ 60 -$180. It is worth a look if you want an unusual car on your layout. check them out at: _semafor@..._ (mailto:semafor@...) or _www.ets-trains.com_ (http://www.ets-trains.com) Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36331	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00

I just put my brand new never opened B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s with locomatic controller up on ebay. Brand spanking new, never run, in the box (never even removed) Boston & Maine #2 AC/DC Sound F-7 A & B units with the locomatic sound controller included. Stock #00933. I paid $479 + 59.95 (for locomatic controller) + shipping for this beauty. This set has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. I only removed the plastic to take the pictures. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. Buyer pays $22.00 UPS ground insured for shipping.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36332	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: Train shows and S Gauge/Scale trains

York is fantastic and basically it is getting together with fellow model railroaders,, and of course if you are looking for that particular "collectible American Flyer item" however - IF you are an operator and want bargains just check the S Helper/Showcaseline or American Models websites as they have great bargains all the time, that is where I am doing my shopping, it is sad that trains shows in the south land are few and far between, so it is York TCA or my favorite "S" websites. If there are Any other people or places for good prices on new equipment, please let me know. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36333	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2758

Picked up a set of On3, C & S old time coaches that run on HO track. Any one switch the trucks to S gage trucks??or convert then to S. All suggestions are appreciated and I will pass on any of the good ideas if they work. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36334	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 14, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36335	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: AF Transformers; can you hum a few bars..

I was glad that I kept this message, because I just got a 4B transformer and it is beyond a hum - it's an outright buzz. I tightened the shims, but that helped only a little. Any suggestions? Should I fashion some fatter shims and try them? Or play loud music so nobody notices? I appreciate any help I can get. Thanks. Bob John G <NotColdEnough@...> wrote: => transformers hum like crazy. Flyer used one or two wooden shims to hold the transformer coil assembly tight against the iron core. These get loose over the years and can cause louder than normal humming. Lightly tap these shims back in, and you can usually quiet the transformer down to a softer hum. Also see this link for Tom Jarcho's transformer tips: http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic6.htm John G S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36336	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Re: Hudson Freight Set 5106-WT question

I've been out of town or would have responded earlier - I'm surprised noone else has yet. You're right, the stuff at the top of your list, the engine, cars, transformer, etc., would be part of the original set and everything else purchased separately. The 2003 TM Guide lists the set at $468 if it's in excellent condition, down from $520 in the 2000 edition. Having the original boxes can add as much as 10% to that, depending on the condition of the boxes. Are you familiar with the TCA guidelines for rating the condition of trains? If not, here they are: MINT Brand New, absolutely unmarred, all original and unused LIKE NEW Free of blemishes, nicks or scratches; original condition throughout; very little sign of use EXCELLENT Minute nicks or scratches; no dents or rust VERY GOOD Few scratches, exceptionally clean; no dents or rust GOOD Scratches, small dents, dirty FAIR Scratched, chipped, dented, rusted or warped condition POOR Beat up, junk condition, some usable parts I suggest you either buy or borrow that latest edition of either the TM Guide or Greenberg's Guide and follow those for estimating the price to expect. If you want to list them on ebay, I suggest you wait until October or November after people finish paying the credit card bills for their summer vacations, and as they begin shopping for Christmas gifts. Selling prices really do go up noficeably that time of year. Whatever you do, don't set up the auction to close the week before or after Christmas!!! The prices shown in the guides are based solely on physical condition and collectors don't care much whether a train runs or not. If the train is in mint or like new condition, don't bother trying to run it. But if it's excellent condition or below, there are a lot of people like me who operate their trains rather than displaying them on a shelf behind glass. The physical condition isn't as important to us because they'll get worse as we handle and run them. We will, however, pay more for an engine that runs than for one that doesn't, or one that is unknown. A lot of people won't even bid on an engine if the seller can't tell them whether it runs. Good luck with them! Bob yahtra <tisme@...> wrote: A friend found this set while cleaning out her family's attic--they know very little about it other that it was purchased around 1951???? The set has: #2 transformer 325AC steam engine & tender 625 tank car 629 stock car 630E caboose 631 gondola 690 Track Terminal straight & curved track XA11666 Air Chime Whistle Controller Wood screws There are also a bunch of other stuff but am not sure if they are part of set or extra items. 249 Tunnel 592A Crossing Gate 693 Track Locks 696 Track Trip 697 Pressure Type Track Trip 706 Uncoupler 736 Stock Car with little cows inside 754 Tresle bridge 760 Highway Flasher 780 Railroad Trestle Set stockyard & switch electric wire pole cattle coral-loading ramp-little horse Also a couple of things marked Lewis Marks Toys: 0218 Crossing Watchman Revolving Beacon Tower Most of the numbers come off the boxes for each piece but since all the stuff is spread among the original box & another box, I'm just not sure what came with the set & what was purchased seperately. My friend will want to sell this... should we try to set up the train to make sure it runs first? Anything we should be careful about. Its been stored in a dark attic closet for many years, packed in original boxes, never got wet, etc. I guess also, I should ask if anyone has any idea of the value of these trains.... Many thanks for any assistance you can give us.... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36337	From: G Nichol	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: American Flyer HO gauge #433 0-6-0

Hi! Can anyone let me know where I can find information on (or do you know) the value of an original #433 HO Flyer 0-6-0 switcher? The condition is conservatively Excellent. None of my guides shows HO. Thanks! Greg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36338	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/14/2005
Subject: Cycling E-unit

Greetings! David, the temptation for one of these "new" engines is growing ....looking forward to the Docksider....and? While Edith was napping, on the drive back from her high school reunion, had some time to ponder the 322. Going back to the fiber truckwasher.... my slip-in cardboard washers made a big difference. Will remove the rivet and add a second washer, where would be the best place to put it? Under the rivet head or between the truck-tender frame? I had put bushings in the truck side frames. From my ponderings, I measured the inside width of the truck frame and compared this to the 326. The 322 was 1/16" wider so I put a small washer on each end of the axle to take up some of this distance. I used the caliper to measure the diameter of the wheels, they all measured the same. The axle is straight. I put tape on the bottom of the trucks, just in case the washers were not keeping the trucks from toucking the track. The one wheel is still sparking but am getting several minutes of running, at various speeds, without cycling. A great improvement!!!! Any other thoughts before I make the changes "permanent"? Will try the toothpick tomorrow night. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36339	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Re: K-line's steam engine

I was told by an "N" gauger that K-line's steam engine will not be produced due to a lack of orders. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36340	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Santa Fe 484

Try www.nmrhs.org for more in for on a 2900 class engine --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36341	From: rebendever	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: BLATANT AD-- S/Sn3 1:64 Modeling Guide Is Back On-Line

I know that it's been a while, but we now have a computer up & functioning. We've begun the process of unpacking the many boxes (4,300 cubic feet) with a priority on getting the next 1-64MG out as quickly as possible. If you are in the greater Atlanta area or just passing through, we invite you to give us a call to come by to give us a hand -- many hands make small work! We will be set up in Dearborn, MI for the National Narrow Gauge Convention August 31st. Please spread the word & help us get things up and running again by getting in contact with us to see what you can do to get this next 1:64MG issue together & mailed. Thank you very much for your patience & it's very good to be back in the saddle again ;-) Your 1:64MG Editor. *NEW* Contact Info: 1-64 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 465898 Lawrenceville, GA 30042-5898 Order Line: 908/304-5545 FAX: 770/979-5069

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36342	From: trainnut2us	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: S FEST

What is current news on S Fest 2005? I'm not finding a Web site.Web sites for Rockford or Beloit do not list it as event in their area. Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36343	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 8/15/2005
Subject: Layout Lighting

I am in the process of remodeling my basement to accomodate a layout I purchased recently. I am interested in using halogen lighting to light the layout from above. Is there anyone on the list that can direct me to any links to help acquire information about the lighting area of these types of lights, or how mmany I should use based on the area I need to light up? Thanks for any input in this matter. Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36344	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Re: Fall S fest query

> > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:19:13 -0000 > From: "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> > Subject: S FEST > > What is current news on S Fest 2005? I'm not finding a Web site.Web > sites for Rockford or Beloit do not list it as event in their area. > Jim Siverling > November 18-20, 2005 www.s-fest.org Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36345	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Re: Layout Lighting

Carlton, The answer is, it depends: In photography, still or video, people think of light as being either specular or diffuse. An example of specular light is the sun at high noon for instance, no clouds, strong shadows. The classic old cowboy flick "High Noon" features very dark shadows under Gary Grant's Stetson because of the "bald sky" sun. An example of diffuse light is outdoors on a completely cloudy day, no shadows. The first thing you probably ought to decide is what kind of light you want your layout to have falling on it. Is it a cloudy day, nice, even, diffuse light; or is it a sunny day, harsh, dark shadows? The sunny day is the most difficult to achieve, because to emulate the sun exactly, you need one humongous light source that gives you only a single shadow, just like 'ol Sol. If you use a number of lights that create more of a spotlight effect, the look is very unnatural. Diffuse, cloudy day light can be achieved by using theatrical diffusion gels over the lights, but not too close or they can burn. Halogen lights are pretty much balanced for tungsten (incandescent) light, but boy are they hot. Daylight quality fluorescent lights can be bought, and with the proper diffusion, create a very realistic lighting effect, very close to what you might see on an overcast day. They have the added benefit of allowing you to photograph with daylight film or to set your digital white balance on daylight. They are also relatively cool compared to halogens. Plus, the daylight quality fluorscents have a limited UV output, especially when diffused, so that your equipment doesn't fade as much. If you want to spend less, buy the regular fluorescents and use both diffusion and UV absorbing theatrical gels. If you are set on using halogen bulbs, I suspect there is a manufacturer's web site that will give you specs on angle of coverage per bulb. I know Sylvania offers such information. The reflector you use has a bearing on degree of coverage also. A narrow reflector, for example, will give you a more spotlight effect, and a more parabolic, or shallow reflector will give you a more broad and less specular light.. Good luck :) Roy Inman > From: Carlton Lowry <Crpntr12449@...> > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:58:23 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Lighting > > I am in the process of remodeling my basement to accomodate a layout > I purchased recently. I am interested in using halogen lighting to > light the layout from above. Is there anyone on the list that can > direct me to any links to help acquire information about the lighting > area of these types of lights, or how mmany I should use based on the > area I need to light up? Thanks for any input in this matter. > Carlton > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36346	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2760

K-Line has CANCELLED (not postponed) the Pacific steam engine. My understanding is that it is due to increased production cost....not lack of orders. I heard yesterday that the SETS will be released, using the Porter engine instead. I'm not sure what release date is on those, however. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:31:26 EDT From: WEG138@... Subject: RE: K-line's steam engine I was told by an "N" gauger that K-line's steam engine will not be produced due to a lack of orders. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks! Bill Greaves

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36347	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Great NASG Convention

- GreetingS - Here is a great, hearty Thank You to the administration of NASG and the wonderful members in the Altoona area for a mighty fine convention. It is not possible to remember all the tours, all the exhibits, all the re- cognitions, all the vendor displays, all the names now associated withy faces, all the camaraderie. But what I can remember still brings a big smile to my face. And so, thank you to each of you who had some part in the convention. I really appreciate what you have done. To my fellow members of ACSG, a special thank you for accommodating my lameness due to a pulled leg muscle. Your picking up the load I should have handled is most appreciated. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36348	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Magazines

I have the following mags available just for the shipping if anyone wants them. Let me know by Saturday the 20th or they go to the recycler. All are in good shape but a little shelf worn. S/Sn3 Buyers Guide - Modeling Guide. The originals. Vol. 1 thru Vol. 6 #5. A total of 31 3/16 Scale Railroading. Vol. 1 #2 & 4 Vol.2 and Vol.3 #1thru #5 Vol. 4 #1 A total of 14. Again, the mags are FREE. You pay just the shipping, media rate. Bob Boring Borore@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36349	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/16/2005
Subject: Fw: On30 coaches

***(((Picked up a set of On3, C & S old time coaches that run on HO track. Any one switch the trucks to S gage trucks??or convert then to S. All suggestions are appreciated and I will pass on any of the good ideas if they work.)))**** Jerry, I may be late here, but check with Steve Blancard, if he hasn't got a hold of you yet. He has done some. Also check out: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html I, myself, have not done a coach yet....but have done three On30 conversions to "S". http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo97 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36350	From: Robert Boring	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: Magazines

The magazines have been taken. Thanks to all who replied. I had no idea I would get that much response. Sorry I didn't have more. Thanks again. Bob Boring [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36351	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: Misconceptions on K-Line Steamers

Bill Greaves wrote: <Message: 1 < Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:31:26 EDT < From: WEG138@... <Subject: RE: K-line's steam engine < <I was told by an "N" gauger that K-line's steam <engine will not be produced due to a lack of orders. <Can anyone confirm this? Thanks! < < Bill Greaves So I wrote the following to Nick Ladd, Director of Sales for K-Line: <-----Original Message----- <From: Joseph Haenn [mailto:joestrainrepair@...] <Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:38 AM <To: Nick Ladd <Subject: Steam Loco < <Nick, < <Any truth to this? < <Thanks, <Joe Here is Nick's reply: >The S gauge Steam loco has been delayed until 2006 as >the factory cost to convert it to S gauge was too >high to allow it to be used in starter sets this >year. We will sub Porters and Plymouths. The loco >is planned for a seperate release next year. > >Nick Thus, the steamers WILL be produced, they will not be included in the sets (as Doug Peck indicated), they will be at a higher price, and they will not be available until 2006. So, the moral is: Stick with S Gaugers. N-Gaugers do not know what they are talking about. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36352	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: Northerns Galore

Joe's Train Repair is pleased to offer both the recently announced Lionel American Flyer and American Model Models 4-8-4 Northern Locomotives as well as both of the 2005 Lionel American Flyer Christmas cars. Pricing is as follows: Lionel American Flyer: Union Pacific 4-8-4 Northern w/Railsounds $445 2005 Christmas Boxcar w/packages $ 47 2005 Operating Dump Car w/packages $ 65 American Models 4-8-4 Northern: AC full sound $400 AC limited sound $360 Hi-Rail DC $335 Scale DC $335 For American Models Northern, specify both option above as well as road name: Santa Fe (w/oil burning tender), Rock Island, Burlington, or Lehigh Valley. A Master Card or Visa credit card of record or 15 percent deposit check holds items. Shipping is extra. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36353	From: keefer1	Date: 8/17/2005
Subject: kline

The web page made the corrections on the sets, but still list the steamers as CANCELLED.Didn't we have a post from one kline club member confirming this? Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36354	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Life Like

Surprise, surprise, when I went onto the Walthers web site they made a big splash announcement that they have bought Life Like hobby and toy business. Frankie Duszczak [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36355	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: K-Line steamer & life stuff

Complete suppostition on my part, but it SOUNDS like K-Line canceled the steam loco because of costs, and now has reconsidered, noticing the relatively tremendous S steam loco activity, so is going to release it after all, but at a later date. It would be wise, and thoughtful to not berate anyone for reporting what they thought was accurate at the time of reporting, as it could have been. I'm getting to philisophical. . . . . BTW, In case some of my S friends don't know, and might want to know, I'm not around a lot right now as my co-worker resigned and moved to Texas. Temporarily (it BETTER be temporarily!) I am also doing his job too (managing the State Theater Performing Arts Center). Busy busy busy, and I'm learning interesting stuff. Break time's over, keep yer flues sanded! S' David D. PS. An oil burning Northern--too cool!! (out here that's all we ever saw--oil burners)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36356	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steamer & life stuff

With the AM Northerns, the AF reissue Northern, the next two AF Mikados, the SHS Consolidations, and the AF docksiders all about to drop in our laps, who needs K-L's Frankentrains? Clearly, those reworked Pacifics are not competitive, even if they do eventually show up. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/18/2005 2:16:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: Complete suppostition on my part, but it SOUNDS like K-Line canceled the steam loco because of costs, and now has reconsidered, noticing the relatively tremendous S steam loco activity, so is going to release it after all, but at a later date. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: FW: NASG forward request

Hi all, My email program crashed again, again, and I do not have John Foley's address. Could John or whomever is the proper person reply to Howard? Or pass along the contact information to me and I will contact Howard. Thanks :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Howard Sheffield <hjsheff@...> > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:15:08 -0700 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: NASG > > > Hi Roy > You told me once who to get in touch with about getting my dealership > on the NASG buyers guide but I lost the message. Could you let me know > again. > Also I will be needing more NASG literature for handouts at shows. > Thanks > Howard Sheffield > Howard' S Trains >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36358	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line steamer & life stuff

frankly......... I have already ordered 2 AM Northerns..... WITH DIFF NUMBERS...... have 2 docksiders on order and I am getting ready to order the mikes and L Northern...... I want something that looks to scale........ If K-line puts out something really NICE TO SCALE I will order it then......Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <djdewey@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line steamer & life stuff > With the AM Northerns, the AF reissue Northern, the next two AF Mikados, > the > SHS Consolidations, and the AF docksiders all about to drop in our laps, > who > needs K-L's Frankentrains? Clearly, those reworked Pacifics are not > competitive, even if they do eventually show up. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2005 2:16:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > djdewey@... writes: > Complete suppostition on my part, but it SOUNDS like K-Line canceled the > steam loco because of costs, and now has reconsidered, noticing the > relatively tremendous S steam loco activity, so is going to release it > after > all, but at a later date. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36359	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Re: Hudson Freight Set 5106-WT question

I JUST CHECKED..... i BOUGHT THIS SET AT THE tca CONVENTION..... REALLY NICE.... ALL BOXES..... 375.00..... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "yahtra" <tisme@...>; "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hudson Freight Set 5106-WT question > I've been out of town or would have responded earlier - I'm surprised > noone else has yet. > > You're right, the stuff at the top of your list, the engine, cars, > transformer, etc., would be part of the original set and everything else > purchased separately. The 2003 TM Guide lists the set at $468 if it's in > excellent condition, down from $520 in the 2000 edition. Having the > original boxes can add as much as 10% to that, depending on the condition > of the boxes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36360	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 8/18/2005
Subject: Off subject

I just bought a Dell laptop and I was woundering if anyone on this list has the same model that I could get a copy of the user manual or borrow it and have it copyed.The model I got is Dell Latitude C600- P111. By the way I just got my TCA convention engine,can't run it yet no layout but it sure looks nice. Thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36361	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Re: Off subject

BOB..... I HAVE A DELL INSPIRON 8600..... WOULD THAT HELP / BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <bobville@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Off subject >I just bought a Dell laptop and I was woundering if anyone on this > list has the same model that I could get a copy of the user manual or > borrow it and have it copyed.The model I got is Dell Latitude C600- > P111. By the way I just got my TCA convention engine,can't run it yet > no layout but it sure looks nice. Thanks Bob Persing > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36362	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine

This past year Lionel American Flyer released a fine Mikado steam engine with TMCC, this is a great engine and the TMCC and Railsounds are super. However, it is disappointing to read that the new or proposed re-done over FEF 4-8-4 Northern Steamer will NOT have TMCC. Someone connected with Lionel please advise why the company would get people to purchase an engine with TMCC and then the next production not include TMCC? Jerry Matsick TCA, NASG, PCCTC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36363	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine

Jerry, Not connected with Lionel am I, but my guess is that L wanted to keep the price under $500. I do recall a conversation with former L president, Dick Maddox, that their research and experience showed them that Flyer collector/operators would not pay over $500 for a steam engine. TMCC might have put it over that figure. Just IMHO... Roy Inman > From: mtoytrain@... > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:28:12 -0400 > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, Toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: Lionel AF Northern Engine > > This past year Lionel American Flyer released a fine Mikado steam engine with > TMCC, this is a great engine and the TMCC and Railsounds are super. > However, it is disappointing to read that the new > or proposed re-done over FEF 4-8-4 Northern Steamer will NOT have TMCC. > > Someone connected with Lionel please advise why the company would get people > to purchase an engine with TMCC and then the next production not include TMCC? > > > Jerry Matsick > TCA, NASG, PCCTC > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36364	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: John Foley, please contact me

John, Please contact me offline. Thanks, Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36365	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: My laptop

Thanks to those who answered my question on needing a user manual.I got what I needed,I just could not find it when I was searching. Thanks again Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36366	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/19/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 21, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36367	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine

Apparently, Lionel has decided to keep TMMC for all-new engines and have the reissues of engines derived from Gilbert's remain conventional. Lionel corporate legend setting the price limit for a new Flyer steam engine came from the Wabash Hudson fiasco when Lionel (early LTI in 1988) tried to introduce an engine for $400 while nice originals were to had easily for $100. It would seem that American Models still buys into the $500 limit theory, as well. It took Todd Wagner to champion an all new steam S gauge engine with modern features at Lionel. The MSRP of the NYC Mike is $600 and sold out, so the $500 limit theory is not necessarily correct for a new engine of high quality having lots of scale detailing and superior features (TMCC, RS5.0). When I told Dick Maddox last York what the B&O sets were going for on eBay, he looked totally amazed.<grin> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/19/2005 10:08:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: Jerry, Not connected with Lionel am I, but my guess is that L wanted to keep the price under $500. I do recall a conversation with former L president, Dick Maddox, that their research and experience showed them that Flyer collector/operators would not pay over $500 for a steam engine. TMCC might have put it over that figure. Just IMHO... Roy Inman > From: mtoytrain@... > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:28:12 -0400 > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, Toytrains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: Lionel AF Northern Engine > > This past year Lionel American Flyer released a fine Mikado steam engine with TMCC, this is a great engine and the TMCC and Railsounds are super. However, it is disappointing to read that the new or proposed re-done over FEF 4-8-4 Northern Steamer will NOT have TMCC. Someone connected with Lionel please advise why the company would get people to purchase an engine with TMCC and then the next production not include TMCC? > > Jerry Matsick > TCA, NASG, PCCTC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36368	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine

Dear Bob, We really miss Todd at Lionel. I think he was the first one that realized the potential of improving on the AF line. It is a shame they do not hire him back, he is a real gentleman. I think we now have the same thinking at "L" when they brought us the WP PA CA Zephyr set. What a bomb. How could they not make the D&RGW CA Zephyr which actually had PAs on the Zephyr. Who cares that "L" introduced the Zero scale PA in D&RGW the year before. They so do not understand how much more they could do with what they have now. How many more UP FEF's (thatis a 4-8-4 in UP-speak) they would sell if they added TMCC, updated the tooling to the 2-8-2 standards, added elephant ear smoke deflectors and painted it in the 2 tone gray passenger scheme. $600??? I be they could get $700 with no problem and sell out in 30 days once the word got our. Now if they did that, Ron B and I would be worried.... Best, Don PS If anyone at "L" is listening, give us a call. We truly are S Helper Service...."As the tide comes in, all the boats will rise..." rbubeck327@... wrote: >...It took Todd Wagner to champion an all new steam S gauge engine with modern features at >Lionel >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36369	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Coupler conversion

Hi S folks- I know this subject has been dealt with before, but at the time I did not need to know: How difficult is it to change out the AM passenger cars (80' high rail) AF compatible couplers to scale? Thanks in advance :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36370	From: srgriggs	Date: 8/20/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Northern Engine

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@s...> wrote: > Dear Bob, > We really miss Todd at Lionel. I think he was the first one that > realized the potential of improving on the AF line. It is a shame they > do not hire him back, he is a real gentleman. > I think we now have the same thinking at "L" when they brought us > the WP PA CA Zephyr set. What a bomb. How could they not make the > D&RGW CA Zephyr which actually had PAs on the Zephyr. Who cares that > "L" introduced the Zero scale PA in D&RGW the year before. They so do > not understand how much more they could do with what they have now. How > many more UP FEF's (thatis a 4-8-4 in UP-speak) they would sell if they > added TMCC, updated the tooling to the 2-8-2 standards, added elephant > ear smoke deflectors and painted it in the 2 tone gray passenger scheme. > $600??? I be they could get $700 with no problem and sell out in 30 > days once the word got our. Now if they did that, Ron B and I would be > worried.... > Best, > Don > PS If anyone at "L" is listening, give us a call. We truly are S > Helper Service...."As the tide comes in, all the boats will rise..." Don, You are so right that "dressing up" the Flyer Northern re-issue a bit would allow it to command much higher prices. What they announced is not substantially differentiated in terms of operational features or appearance from the Gilbert stuff you can still buy at train shows, eBay, etc. As a result, people will cross-shop the re-issued piece with Gilbert originals. Fundimensions tacked elephant ears onto a 726 Berkshire reproduction in ~1980 and painted it in something resembling the two tone grey passenger scheme--why not do the same with the Flyer Northern? As dense as these guys seem to be at times, I'm surprised they didn't number the re-issued FEF-1 as 8444. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36371	From: beebear	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: 4-8-8-4

Has there ever been a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy made in S gauge? just wondering John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36372	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: Coupler conversion

On my heavyweights (72') I mounted kadees on brass strips that screwed to the coupler plastic tang. I like the brass strips because they're easy to bend to the correct coupler height. I think you can do the same thing with an integral coupler by cutting the coupler off and leaving some of the tang to mount a brass strip. I found these talgo mounting handled curves down to Flyer radius. Otherwise you can use a body mounted kadee but I have no experience with that on passenger cars. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Coupler conversion > Hi S folks- > I know this subject has been dealt with before, but at the time I did not > need to know: How difficult is it to change out the AM passenger cars (80' > high rail) AF compatible couplers to scale? > Thanks in advance :) > Roy Inman > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36373	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-8-4

Dear John, Yes, Sunset Models made a brass UP Big Boy in the early 80's. It has code 110 wheels and is guaged to the old NMRA standards. I have seen many of them regauged to the NASG back to back so they can run on today's S Scale layouts. I have even seen a few upgraded to DCC with sound. They are not that hard to find, I hear about them selling at shows and e-bay. They are usually under $2,000.00 and if I remember correctly, recently one went for about $1,200.00. My partner Mike purchased one a few weeks ago that he saw at the NASG convention. I will ask what he paid for it. Good Luck, Don beebear wrote: >Has there ever been a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy made in S gauge? >just wondering > >John > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36374	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: Mounting KD's on the 72' heavyweight passenger cars

If I remember correctly, you just need to drill the holes for the #0 screws. If you layout has 42"+ curves, you can mount so the inside edge of the open knuckle is right under the striker plate. This will give you close coupling. I am not sure if this will work with diaphragms. Best, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36375	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: TMCC and Sound AF Northern

With the new Northerns coming out I had to get my old AF Northern, which I had already converted to TMCC updated and added a new TMCC controlled sound system to it. To see the conversion of my Northern with TMCC and Sound go to: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC-Northern/TMCCNorthernConversion.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36376	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Brass 3 chime horn needed

Hi All, I am finally getting my RS11 ready for paint. Apparently the PRR was big on 3 chime horns for these units. So I need up to 5) brass 3 chime horns ALL CHIMES FORWARD. They came in the parts bag of the River Raisin SD9, so if you have an SD9 and don't need that horn, it will do just fine. I have an immediate need for 3 of them. I am doing my 2) RS11 and 1) S4. I have my SD9 ready to get blasted and finished. The horns that BTS has are 2 forward and 1 reverse. Please check your parts boxes and see if you have any extra horns. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36377	From: Jim Marski	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Kinsman kits

If anyone is interested I have listed some Kinsman kits and built-ups on ebay- you can find them by searching for ebay seller "jeeps" Thanks, Jim Marski --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36378	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 21, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36379	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Lionel Auto racks

------Original Message------ From: "jt12313" <jt12313@...> Date: Thu Aug 4, 2005 3:17 pm Over the years I have kitbashed the Lionel O27 three level haulers to two level units. . . . . . . .the width is ok but even the two decker is too tall. . . . . . . > > > > > > > I presume jt is talking about what I'd call Lionel's older style autoracks. I have done a few and find that the two-decker is fine, but the three-decker needs a lot of work to lower the 2nd and 3rd decks. I have also converted Lionel's more modern style auto racks to S. Like the older style, they are only about 60 S scale feet long, should be more like 90, but they work fine on our model curves. I put a picture of one in our Files section under Crossroads Village (where picture was taken). I tried to put in a picture of my older style auto rack but it said "no more room." Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36380	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Sound in a SW-1?

Some weeks ago I was thinking of getting a SW-1 UP by S-Helper. That fell through, but I have one now in the western Pacific and I remember hearing that there was someone that could add the sound card. I have misplaced the e-mail, but hope someone here is that person or knows who can/will do that. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36381	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Books on C&O,B&O and Cheesie equipment and geography

I am looking for source books on the equipment and the type of scenery needed for an Ohio valley and Appalachian setting I plan to use for my layout when I get around to building it? Any book of other roads in similar locations with pictures would help and of course any websites of same type layout would be nice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36382	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: S poll on OGR forum

So far 47 votes 33 for an added S gauge forum 4 against and 10 don't care one way or the other.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36383	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/21/2005
Subject: Re: Agreement

--- Candy Sykes <cs1@...> wrote: > > Dear Mr Weidner: KCC# > 01/31/06 > > We have forwarded your comments to our Research & > Developement Department for review.Any new items or > update on product being produced will be announced > in our 2005 Second Edition Catalog in the Fall. > > If you have any additional questions, please feel > free to contact us. > > Thank you, > K-LINE Electric Trains Customer Service > PO Box 2831, Chapel Hill NC 27515 > TEL: 919-929-8420 > TOLL-FREE FAX: 877-269-4113 > REPLY TO: info@... > WEB: www.k-linetrains.com > http://www.k-linetrains.com/saleterms.cfm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: weidner@... > [mailto:weidner@...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: K-Line Website Message - General Questions > > > > Email: weidner@... > > I understand that Lionel and K-line have reached an > agreement, does this mean the S gauge Pacific may > again come about? > > I am glad to see two companies work towards the > betterment of the hobby. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36384	From: t.hawley	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: AM's 4-8-4

I just got this from American Models today. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich quote The CB&Q engines (4-8-4) I will make with the oil tender. They had some oil ones.. The oil tender is more popular than the coal. Ron endquote [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36385	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: TMMC vs DCS

I have a question for anyone who has experience with the MTH DCS system operating Lionel/AF TMMC equiped locomotives. I have been told that the DCS control system fully operates the TMMC system. I was also told that there are some problems with the TMMC control system operating MTH/DCS equipment. Could anyone who has had actual experience confirm what I have been told? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36386	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Todd Wagner

Boy, I'll 2nd, 3rd, and 4th that ! Too bad we can't organize an email campaign to encourage that ....and not just to benefit the AF line, but their O line as well !! Who would we address it to.....Calabrese???? <<< We really miss Todd at Lionel. I think he was the first one that realized the potential of improving on the AF line. It is a shame they do not hire him back, he is a real gentleman. >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36387	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: TMMC vs DCS

Gary, TMCC hardware will not operate DCS PS-2 engines. TMCC engines can be operated with a DCS remote and setup ONLY IF a TMCC command base is incorporated into the DCS setup. The operation is not flawless, but can be made to interface pretty well. Consequently, you would still need to buy Lionel's TMCC hardware. DCS, as well, costs roughly 3x a TMCC set up. If one does not own any MTH PS2 (O gauge or HO gauge) engines, there is no practical reason for most all users to bother with DCS. TMCC hardware is all that is required to obtain the maximum benefit with the new AF Mikados or any other engine modified to incorporate TMCC by Carl Tuveson's techniques. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 8/22/2005 9:34:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chudgr@... writes: I have a question for anyone who has experience with the MTH DCS system operating Lionel/AF TMMC equiped locomotives. I have been told that the DCS control system fully operates the TMMC system. I was also told that there are some problems with the TMMC control system operating MTH/DCS equipment. Could anyone who has had actual experience confirm what I have been told? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36388	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge and TMCC

Well the comments to my questioning Lionel for not putting TMCC in their new S Gauge Northern has brought a number of comments and most where basically not being completely happy with Lionel. Now it is Lionel S Gauge, they may call it American Flyer, therefore it isn't Gilbert American Flyer who went overboard to please their followers and not like current ever changing staff at Lionel .. As someone who is completely happy with my Lionel S Gauge Mikado with TMCC and I have had not one problem with it, I am not a happy railroader. As stated by other comments, Lionel releasing their new PRR PA-1 passenger set without TMCC in the unit also is very indicative of where Lionel stands. I am going to stick with S Helper and American Model products these are true S Scale people who do care about the product that they release. True 2 Scale rail Operator Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36389	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: York TCA Motel Room

Have room at the Red Roof Motel in York, need someone to share? Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36390	From: David Engle	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: Todd Wagner

Hey this is AMERICA!! If they are too stupid to take him back, let him start his own competing company, and be there to back him accordingly. :) -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Peck Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Todd Wagner Boy, I'll 2nd, 3rd, and 4th that ! Too bad we can't organize an email campaign to encourage that ....and not just to benefit the AF line, but their O line as well !! Who would we address it to.....Calabrese???? <<< We really miss Todd at Lionel. I think he was the first one that realized the potential of improving on the AF line. It is a shame they do not hire him back, he is a real gentleman. >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36391	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Re: Bar Mill's next S scale structure

A tip of the hat to Bill Moitz who sent this along this afternoon. Thanks Bill! http://barmillsmodels.com/dailymoose_09_05.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36392	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: New AF/S gauge Discussion Board on the OGR forum is up and running!

The boys at the OGR Forum have decided to put up the AF/S gauge discussion board after taking a poll to see if the interest in it was warranted. The poll had a good ratio of those that were interested in "S" and AF, although the total number who voted were not great it was decided to give it a try. This could be a good exposure for "S" and AF and hopefully we will benefit. The Forum is a Topic Thread format. Please check it out and join in on the fun at: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/2721001123 Thanks, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36393	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/22/2005
Subject: Flyonel Erie Alco

Do I recall something about the Flyonel Erie Alco being a particularly problematical engine? Poor performance, unreliability, or something? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36394	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco

Hi Robert: I think that the alco's produced by flyonel at that time were all somewhat problematical. I have the B&O and they had a running problem. Did get them reengineered with replacement can motors from SnSTrains and they run well now. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Robert Graves wrote: >Do I recall something about the Flyonel Erie Alco being a particularly problematical engine? Poor performance, unreliability, or something? > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36395	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco

Yes....very poor runner unless upgraded with the free upgrade kit which Lionel supplied soon after the release of the set, but no longer available from them. We have upgrade kits. However, in our shop we find it easier and more satisfactory to simply replace the entire original e-unit with a Dallee unit. That accomplishes the same thing, and is more reliable when done. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- <<< Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:54:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Flyonel Erie Alco Do I recall something about the Flyonel Erie Alco being a particularly problematical engine? Poor performance, unreliability, or something? >>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36396	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Lionel Mikado - Can this be converted to DCC

I have just made a decision to go DCC with my S gauge trains using the Lenz system. I have a Southern (4501) Mikado with TMCC on order. Because the real 4501 is my favorite locomotive and one that I road behind on many excursions, I am happy that I have this on order even if I have to operate it on a separate loop from the trains using DCC. I have been told that it is not practical to convert the Mikado to DCC. But I wonder if anyone who purchased the NYC or B&O Mikados had tried to convert the locomotive to DCC? - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36397	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Open Invitation to the 24th CJSS Fall Get-together

I just want to take this opportunity to invite everyone to the Central Jersey S Scaler's 24th Fall Get-Together. Every year we get around 75 dedicated S model builders to come to our gathering at Christ's Church in South Amboy, NJ. The day is October 1st, with set up on Friday September 30th. You can read more at: http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html Best regards, Don Thompson PS to get a printed brochure of the FGT, call Robin at: 732-441-0555

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36398	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Another B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00

I just put another brand new never opened B&M AC/DC Sound F-7 set with locomatic controller up on ebay. Brand spanking new, never run, in the box (never even removed) Boston & Maine #2 AC/DC Sound F-7 A & B units with the locomatic sound controller included. Stock #00933. I paid $479 + 59.95 (for locomatic controller) + shipping for this beauty. This set has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. I only removed the plastic to take the pictures. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. Buyer pays $22.00 UPS ground insured for shipping. Item number: 5995065264 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=5995065264&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36399	From: Jim Marski	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Flyer HO

Anyone have any estimated values for an HO-258 station excellent in box or a vG Paradise diner? Also, does anyone have an email for Gary Klein? Thanks, Jim Marski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36400	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco

I too, had a problem, with the early C&O Alco's and it was repaired. All of the early Alco's had a electronic problem. And it is fixable. A friend got a new Mint Alco recently and it did not work. I believe he told me it cost him about 36 dollars to have it fixed by a local Shoppe in his town. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "velapoldi" <velapoldi@...> To: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> Cc: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Erie Alco > Hi Robert: > I think that the alco's produced by flyonel at that time were all > somewhat problematical. I have the B&O and they had a running problem. > Did get them reengineered with replacement can motors from SnSTrains and > they run well now. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > Robert Graves wrote: > > >Do I recall something about the Flyonel Erie Alco being a particularly problematical engine? Poor performance, unreliability, or something? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36401	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado - Can this be converted to DCC

Hi Earl, I don't have one of the Mikados, but I would be amazed if it couldn't be converted. The impractical part is that they don't sell a DC only, so you will need to remove all the TMCC stuff and buy replacement DCC stuff. You may well be able to sell the TMCC gear and get some of the money back. I'm currently doing DCC installations and conversions, and would be happy to give that one a try, or post your results if you do it yourself. Bill At 09:41 AM 8/23/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I have just made a decision to go DCC with my S gauge trains using the Lenz >system. I have a Southern (4501) Mikado with TMCC on order. Because the >real >4501 is my favorite locomotive and one that I road behind on many excursions, >I am happy that I have this on order even if I have to operate it on a >separate loop from the trains using DCC. I have been told that it is not >practical >to convert the Mikado to DCC. But I wonder if anyone who purchased the >NYC or >B&O Mikados had tried to convert the locomotive to DCC? > > - Earl Henry, > Nashville, TN > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36402	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

I've seen various numbers listed for this, on this and other sites, anywhere from 19 to 19-1/2 inches (radius). Assuming we are talking about track centerline to track centerline, I have another opinion which I believe is proven by A. C. Gilbert's own 'geo-metrics'. Take a look at any American Flyer catalog that contains the simple figure-8 track plan. It is constructed with 4 straights, 18 curves, 4 half-straights, and 1 crossover. An American Flyer straight measures 10 inches long. A half-straight measures 5 inches long. If you measure 'half' of the 90 degree crossover track (to its centerline), it is also 5 inches long. If we look at the typical figure-8 track plan diagram we see that the single straight, half-straight, and half of the crossover equals 20 inches (10 + 5 + 5). A complete circle of track could be assembled at either end (by adding three more curve sections) if the straights, half-straights and crossover were omitted. Therefore, we have an exact measurement of 20 inches that defines 'exactly' the radius of an American Flyer circle of track (measured from center of circle to centerline of track). So where do the measurements of 19" and 19-1/2" (radius) come from? An inquiring mind wants to know! ;-) I say, based on A. C. Gilbert's own 'geo-metrics', that a standard circle of A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track has a centerline to centerline diameter of 40", or a center to centerline radius of 20". Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36403	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

I recall that back in the early days of Flyer they published somewhere that the diameter of a circle of track was 40" over the outside rail. The 19 1/2" radius is this diameter approximated to the track center. It would actually be 19 9/16" assuming my memory is good. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter > I've seen various numbers listed for this, on this and other sites, > anywhere from 19 to 19-1/2 inches (radius). Assuming we are talking about > track centerline to track centerline, I have another opinion which I > believe is proven by A. C. Gilbert's own 'geo-metrics'. Take a look at any > American Flyer catalog that contains the simple figure-8 track plan. It is > constructed with 4 straights, 18 curves, 4 half-straights, and 1 > crossover. An American Flyer straight measures 10 inches long. A > half-straight measures 5 inches long. If you measure 'half' of the 90 > degree crossover track (to its centerline), it is also 5 inches long. > > If we look at the typical figure-8 track plan diagram we see that the > single straight, half-straight, and half of the crossover equals 20 inches > (10 + 5 + 5). A complete circle of track could be assembled at either end > (by adding three more curve sections) if the straights, half-straights and > crossover were omitted. Therefore, we have an exact measurement of 20 > inches that defines 'exactly' the radius of an American Flyer circle of > track (measured from center of circle to centerline of track). > > So where do the measurements of 19" and 19-1/2" (radius) come from? An > inquiring mind wants to know! ;-) > > I say, based on A. C. Gilbert's own 'geo-metrics', that a standard circle > of A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track has a centerline to centerline > diameter of 40", or a center to centerline radius of 20". > > Regards, Randy Griggs > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36404	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

Dear Randy, We needed to know the exact dimension and asked Dick Karnes for help. With his backround in Civil Engineering and a real wiz as code 100 track, we knew he was the perfect person to ask. He told us the centerline measurement was 18.55". But, like 0-27, the importand measurement for our market is the size that it would take up on the trainboard. For that is 20" on the outside of the rubber roadbed. We made our track to match. The 19" to 19.5" radius maybe the distance of the outside rail or the measurement outside of the metal ties. Best regards, Don Randall L. Griggs wrote: >I've seen various numbers listed for this, on this and other sites, >anywhere from 19 to 19-1/2 inches (radius).... > >Regards, Randy Griggs > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36405	From: Fred Alles	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: Flyer HO

Jim, According to the most recent Price list by Gary Klein (recently published book in 2005) is that the HO 258 in true "E" condition varied from $95 for the grey base and red and white walls with green roof and $110 for the prewar version of brown base and yellow walls. I suspect you can add about $20 for a real nice box. I really believe that price might be hard to find at a train show, so expect to pay a little more - at least from what I have seen. The Paradise dinner in VG probably is in the $45 range for the all yellow plastic to $55 for the yellow painted version. I have found that to find one with the complete sign, antenna and chimney is rare so the price is probably low - at least to what I have been able to find. Repro signs, antennas and chimneys are available to add is not with the one you find. Gary did recently prepare a new book with some pictures of various cars and engines this year that included the price list. You can contact him at: <gklein2@...> to get the price of the book and shipping, etc. He also has the book and additional pictures on a CD in case you are interested in that way to go. Anyhow, I am a collector of both S and HO and like to collect and talk about HO since that seems to be the least known among AF Collectors in my neck of the woods. Fred On 8/23/05 11:54 AM, "Jim Marski" <jim_marski@...> wrote: > Anyone have any estimated values for an HO-258 station excellent in box or a > vG Paradise diner? Also, does anyone have an email for Gary Klein? > > Thanks, > Jim Marski > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36406	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/23/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

If you search the archives for the following topic you will find we had a lively discussion of track radius back in March/April 2003. Search for "Going in Even More Circles ". You can also do a search for "radius" and find a lot of past messages discussing this topic. It seems this is an area where everyone has an opinion! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@t...> wrote: > I've seen various numbers listed for this, on this and other sites, > anywhere from 19 to 19-1/2 inches (radius). Assuming we are talking about > track centerline to track centerline, I have another opinion which I > believe is proven by A. C. Gilbert's own 'geo-metrics'. Take a look at any > American Flyer catalog that contains the simple figure-8 track plan. It is > constructed with 4 straights, 18 curves, 4 half-straights, and 1 > crossover. An American Flyer straight measures 10 inches long. A > half-straight measures 5 inches long. If you measure 'half' of the 90 > degree crossover track (to its centerline), it is also 5 inches long. > > If we look at the typical figure-8 track plan diagram we see that the > single straight, half-straight, and half of the crossover equals 20 inches > (10 + 5 + 5). A complete circle of track could be assembled at either end > (by adding three more curve sections) if the straights, half- straights and > crossover were omitted. Therefore, we have an exact measurement of 20 > inches that defines 'exactly' the radius of an American Flyer circle of > track (measured from center of circle to centerline of track). > > So where do the measurements of 19" and 19-1/2" (radius) come from? An > inquiring mind wants to know! ;-) > > I say, based on A. C. Gilbert's own 'geo-metrics', that a standard circle > of A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track has a centerline to centerline > diameter of 40", or a center to centerline radius of 20". > > Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36407	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: American Flyer HO - Updated Collector Guide

I have Gary Klein's new book with updated values in stock. Click on this; http://www.americanflyertrains.com/Books/books.htm Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36408	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

--- "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> wrote: > Therefore, we have an exact measurement of 20 > inches that defines 'exactly' the radius of an American Flyer circle > of track (measured from center of circle to centerline of track). Well, the geometry is correct. Three curved tracks make a right angle, as do the 9 curved, and that the tangents at those points on the circle will form a right angle intersecting at the center of the crossover. Two lines perpendicular to the tangent lines from the points where the tangent lines intersect with the circle will intersect at the center of the circle, all four lines then forming a perfect square. this would prove that the radius should be made equal to the length of the line segment from the point where the straight meets the curve to the center of the crossover. The key here is that 20 inches is what the radius from the track center is what it SHOULD be, not what was actually implemented. Also, those who measure usually don't measure from center to center. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36409	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2768

Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter Gilbert's book "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by Marshall McClintock, the same author that helped A.C. Gilbert with his auto biography. On page35, Fig.19, shows an outside radius of 20" with a 3 1/2 " road bed which = a center line radius of 19 1/4 ". Being a civil Engineer my self, I have laid out many curves, measured several circles of Flyer track, descovered that different runs of track ( straight and curved ) very in length 10" +/- up to 1/8" . I stick with 19 1/4" like the book suggests Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36410	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2767

Subject: Flyonel Erie Alco. Yes I had problems, The factory rebuilt it, new reverse unit and added a weight, now it runs OK Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36411	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

Scott, A well done Euclidean proof, sir! Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: > --- "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@t...> wrote: > > Therefore, we have an exact measurement of 20 > > inches that defines 'exactly' the radius of an American Flyer circle > > of track (measured from center of circle to centerline of track). > > Well, the geometry is correct. Three curved tracks make a right angle, > as do the 9 curved, and that the tangents at those points on the circle > will form a right angle intersecting at the center of the crossover. > Two lines perpendicular to the tangent lines from the points where the > tangent lines intersect with the circle will intersect at the center of > the circle, all four lines then forming a perfect square. this would > prove that the radius should be made equal to the length of the line > segment from the point where the straight meets the curve to the center > of the crossover. > > The key here is that 20 inches is what the radius from the track center > is what it SHOULD be, not what was actually implemented. Also, those > who measure usually don't measure from center to center. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36412	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: New S forum on OGR forum site

Lets welcome the addition of a new venue for S disscussion and also welcome those from OGR who have just discoverd S-trains as well. If OGR bent to the will 40 some S gaugers on their O gauge forum just think what S-trains can accomplish if we politely encourage Lionel, K-line and MTH as well as support Americanmodels and S-helper.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36413	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

As an Architect I just ran it on the computer........ it closed at 20"...... c / c ...... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36414	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: New S forum on OGR forum site

Bruce...... got a link to the site...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce weidner" <weidner@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New S forum on OGR forum site > Lets welcome the addition of a new venue for S > disscussion and also welcome those from OGR who have > just discoverd S-trains as well. > > If OGR bent to the will 40 some S gaugers on their O > gauge forum just think what S-trains can accomplish if > we politely encourage Lionel, K-line and MTH as well > as support Americanmodels and S-helper. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36415	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

OK for us that spent our educations wondering about nthe female form what is the Dia. of a full circle of AF track? Will an oval , not exceded 8feet fit on a 4x8 sheet of plywood. I maybe the only one that tried to put a 6 pieciece x% piece X3(STR) oval on the 4X8 with little success (I also missed spelling,( the letter type not Arron or Tory) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36416	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

For those who don't wish to spend a lot of time searching the archives, here is my post number 25254 from April 8, 2003 regarding track radius: Let us refer to "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by Marshall McClintock. The book states in several places that a circle of S-gauge track has a diameter of 40 inches, radius of 20 inches. Figure 19 on page 35 shows a radius of 20 inches - but to where? Track centerline, outside track centerline, tie outside centerline?? This figure also shows a 3 1/2" roadbed with an outside radius of 20 inches. Assuming you mount the track in the middle of this roadbed, the centerline track radius would be 18 1/4 inches and the outside track centerline would be 18 3/4 inches. But measuring a completed circle of track it appears the outside of tie radius (not outer track radius) is right on 20 inches. So even McClintock appears to be inconsistent.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36417	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

So sorry for the mis-spelled words & other grammer I think I need my meds adjusted ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36418	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

So my quesation is will a full 12 PC circle of AF track fit on a foot4 X 4 foot piece of plywood. And while we are at it would there be enough roon for a single spur ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36419	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/24/2005
Subject: S on OGR forum

here is the link http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums once there scroll down to the forum called S gauge, also of interest are prototype and photo album forums

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36420	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Re: Last two days of blatant commercialism

RE: Last two days of blatant commercialism- That's right, only two days left in Robin's "Elder Inventory Summer Clearance Sale!" You can find the link at: http://www.showcaseline.com/SaleClassics.htm Many items we only have one or two left in stock. Yesterday the last last 2 bay PS-2 offered sold out (#00078, PL&E - NYC). You do not have to order online to take advantage of these great deals, you can call Robin today (or tomorrow) at 1-800-465-0303. Best regards, Don Thompson PS We want to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has taken part in our SHS Classic Clearance Sale.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36421	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

Randy Griggs wrote: >I've seen various numbers listed for this, on this and other sites, >anywhere from 19 to 19-1/2 inches (radius). Assuming we are talking >about track centerline to track centerline, <snip> where do the >measurements of 19" and 19-1/2" (radius) come from? In My case, the radius figure of 19.125 inches (centerline) comes from actual measurements of carefully constructed curves and circles made with AF sectional track. >I say, based on A. C. Gilbert's own 'geo-metrics', that a standard >circle of A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track has a centerline to >centerline diameter of 40", or a center to centerline radius of 20". Based on Gilbert's track templates (and repros as well), the radius is specified to be and measures out to exactly 19" at the centerline. BTW, if you assemble the diverging (curved) tracks of a pair of like-handed AF 720 turnouts together, you'll find the distance between corresponding tangent rails to be 5.125 inches, not 5 inches as the templates indicate. Another 1/8 inch discrepancy. Interesting, no? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36422	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: radius

This is my perennial favorite... ***I've seen various numbers listed for this, on this and other sites, anywhere from 19 to 19-1/2 inches (radius). Assuming we are talking about track centerline to track centerline*** I am amazed there doesn't seem to be an answer... I'll repost my 2¢ from April 6, 2003: ### Maybe some of you math/engineering types can weigh in on this one. I found a formula to solve for the radius based on the length of the chord of the circular section in question--that is AF curve track. Radius = Chord divided by 2 times the sin of 1/2 the angle of the circular section. R=C/2sin15 degrees (how do I get a degree sign on this thing?) Following this formula for both rails (inside and outside) and then taking the average to find the center radius, I come up with approximately 18.95629434". I measured switches, because I felt there would be less variation in the radius due to the rails being locked in place by the plastic. I have measured track sections in the past and found all sorts of variation--up to 19.125" radius, but I always thought I was making some sort of mistake. Looking for feedback, Tom Stoltz, in Maine MSG NASG TCA ### Well, that was then and now it is today. Maybe some of you who have cad programs will help... Using AutoCad, I drew (as best I could) a Flyer turnout and asked Acad to do the circle thing. Acad tells me the centerline radius is 19.03125". It would seem that 19" +/- 1/32" is pretty close to 19". My guess is still 19". What's yours? Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36423	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

First off wonder why we call plugs male and female..... with todays PC shouldn't we alter this to something more corrcet....... Second If you have the room...... My Layout is 4'-4" x 8'-0" and has room for an oval with another oval running around the outeredge....... on the curves I used 2 curve.....1/2 straight ..... 2 curves..... 1/2 straight and 2 curves........ everytthing fits and clears fine...... and I have 4 interior sidings...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter > OK for us that spent our educations wondering about nthe female form what > is > the Dia. of a full circle of AF track? Will an oval , not exceded 8feet > fit on > a 4x8 sheet of plywood. > I maybe the only one that tried to put a 6 pieciece x% piece X3(STR) oval > on > the 4X8 with little success (I also missed spelling,( the letter type not > Arron or Tory) Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36424	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

Yes. However, the spur will fit on the outside only if the switch replaces the last curve piece before the straight. In other words, the main line runs thru the curved part of the switch, which can mean trouble. On the plus side, that avoids a sharp s turn that occurs when you put the switch in the straight main section and then curve back to parallel the main. Most people think a 5' x 9' (ping pong table size) layout is preferable to 4' x 8' because the 4' is so restrictive. I avoid the problem by running a lot of 2' wide plywood with a central operating pit. I also cut off the curved section of old flyer switches to get much closer track to track dimensions. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <bull_gator_1@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter > So my quesation is will a full 12 PC circle of AF track fit on a foot4 X 4 > foot piece of plywood. And while we are at it would there be enough roon for a > single spur > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36425	From: Phil K	Date: 8/25/2005
Subject: Surprise move: K-Line files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection

Link to this story at Classic Toy Trains: http://tinyurl.com/995h2 K-Line Turns to Bankruptcy Court for Protection What began as a seemingly amicable settlement between Lionel and K- Line over technology secrets has taken a left turn into federal bankruptcy court. On Aug. 23, K-Line filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Earlier, both Lionel and K-Line reported that a settlement had been reached concerning a lawsuit Lionel filed against K-Line, accusing the company of wrongly incorporating Lionel technology into its products. Lionel reported that documents found on a computer taken from the home of one of its engineers, who has since been fired, showed that he was supplying K-Line with information about Lionel speed-control circuits, a starter-set transformer, and an entry- level sound system. Following a reported settlement, first Lionel and then K-Line released press statements explaining the settlement. Lionel noted that K-Line would be allowed, by paying a royalty, to continue to sell the disputed products until Jan. 31, 2006, the end of K-Line's fiscal year. Lionel also reported that K-Line, its owner Maury Klein, and its Director of Engineering Bob Grubba would admit guilt. However, K-Line's statement presented the matter in a dramatically different light, and both parties returned to court. According to court documents, Lionel sought, and on Aug. 22 was granted, a restraining order keeping K-Line from selling its remaining inventory of products containing the disputed technology. A day later K-Line filed for bankruptcy protection in its home state of North Carolina.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36426	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Re: Graffiti decals

I am not sure if anyone is interesting in adding graffitit to your prized models, but I found this link on the rr-decal e-group. Although S scale is not mentioned, I am sure that HO or zero scale decals could be used on our beloved equipment. You can find these at: http://www.blairline.com/graffiti/ Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36427	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: radius

***Chuck F wrote: Based on Gilbert's track templates (and repros as well), the radius is specified to be and measures out to exactly 19" at the centerline. BTW, if you assemble the diverging (curved) tracks of a pair of like-handed AF 720 turnouts together, you'll find the distance between corresponding tangent rails to be 5.125 inches, not 5 inches as the templates indicate. Another 1/8 inch discrepancy. Interesting, no?*** Interesting, yes... Again, using Acad to verify this interesting bit of data, I find if you assume 5" centers, then the radius is 18.6640625". However, a radius of 19" yields 5.09375" centers-- 1/32" less than Chuck's finding. In the workshop to gather some field data, I find trying to get two ACG switches 'machine shop' parallel next to impossible. Without going into a story, I think a hair less than 5 1/8" is quite correct for track centers. Acad says a 20" radius requires 5 23/64" centers (1/64 less than 5 3/8"). That would mean 1/4" of error in the field data, which I'm sure is not happening. I'll stay with 19" for the ACG design radius. And thanks to Chuck for coming up with another way to look at this. Just curious in Maine... Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36428	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks

Ladies and Gentlemen: I keep looking at the photo Ron has posted. Does anyone else have the impression that the 8 wheel tender truck is really a 2-4-2? Does anyone know where online there is a good photo of a 2700 class Santa Fe tender? (Or just the truck?) Thanks! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36429	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Santa Fe Northerns and Tenders

You may want to try www.nmrhs.org for info on Santa Fe Northerns and tender. You will find some great photos and info. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36430	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Re: Graffiti decals

Don is right, some of us may not want these on our train models. Depending on the time frame we have set for our railaoad, they may not look right. But, if we have a big city, they could go on buildings or retaining walls, clear back into the steam era. So many could find a place for some of them. jfred I am not sure if anyone is interesting in adding graffitit to your prized models, but I found this link on the rr-decal e-group. Although S scale is not mentioned, I am sure that HO or zero scale decals could be used on our beloved equipment. You can find these at: http://www.blairline.com/graffiti/ Best regards, Don Thompson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36431	From: John Foley	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: American Flyer S-Gauge Modular Club

Hi Folks Is there a member of the American Flyer S-Gauge Modular club of Ca. on this list. If yes please reply back to me with a phone number and I will call you back. The TTOS is having their 06 convention in Costa Mesa, Ca. next August. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36432	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - 20% Off

Only a few days left of the August 20%off sale. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36433	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 28, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36434	From: John Foley	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Korber Models

Hi Folks Korber Models has a new website at http://www.korbermodels.com/index1.htm Near the bottom of their home page they are conducting a survey. S scale is included. So lets vote for S. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36435	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/26/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models II

Hey folks, let's please get signed up :) Only 33 votes so far for S, after I voted. Cheers :) Roy > From: John Foley <mr-s1@...> > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:38:48 -0400 > To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models > > Hi Folks > Korber Models has a new website at http://www.korbermodels.com/index1.htm > Near the bottom of their home page they are conducting a survey. S scale is > included. So lets vote for S. > John Foley > NASG Promotions > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For > those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to > edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or > photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36436	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: radius

Thomas Stoltz Wrote: >In the workshop to gather some field data, I find trying to get two ACG >switches 'machine shop' parallel next to impossible. It can be done on a permanent layout, but in the process you'll very likely end up with a slight gap between one or both of the curved rail ends joined. >I think a hair less than 5 1/8" is quite correct for track centers. I agree in theory. I neglected to mention that my measurements lead to a radius figure between 19.0 and 19.125 inches. I ended up using 19.125 inches to get consistent results given track irregularities. As I'm sure most here know, Gilbert track was not always assembled with the rail ends aligned perfectly. It can't always be shoved together until both rails cover both pins completely. Sometimes there will be a gap of as much as 1/16 inch between mated rails on one side of any given joint. Adhering to the upper radius figure assured me just enough breathing room when it came time to plop down and align all those good old Gilbert curved sections to my carefully drawn arcs. It's the same with minimum track center separation when forming a crossover with Gilbert turouts. If you try to get the tangent centers closer than 5.125 inches, you may do ok with one pair of turnouts, but another set may need some filing off of the Bakelite base where the curves join to get the tangents where you want them. As long as I figure center separation at no less than 5.125", and sectional curve radius at 19.125", everything in the real world fits without altering turnouts, or having curves kinked at the joints. I guess I'm a bit "Adrian Monk-ish" about track alignment, even with AF track. Oh well... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36437	From: velapoldi	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models II

Vote more than once 8-) !!! Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Roy Inman wrote: >Hey folks, let's please get signed up :) >Only 33 votes so far for S, after I voted. >Cheers :) >Roy > > > >>From: John Foley <mr-s1@...> >>Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:38:48 -0400 >>To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >>Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models >> >>Hi Folks >>Korber Models has a new website at http://www.korbermodels.com/index1.htm >>Near the bottom of their home page they are conducting a survey. S scale is >>included. So lets vote for S. >>John Foley >>NASG Promotions >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >>To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For >>those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to >>edit the SUBJECT of your message). >> >>Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or >>photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to edit the SUBJECT of your message). > >Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36438	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Radius

Each Flyer straight piece is 10 inches long. There are 12 curved pieces to circle. Why would the curved pieces have a length different from a curved piece? I deduce that the circumference of the centerline of the circle is 120 inches. The formula for the radius is R=Cir/(2*3.14159). This yields a radius of 19.099 inches. That is about 19 3/32. Isn't that what everyone is saying? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36439	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Union Pacific paint schemes

Dave Mears' Weekly Rail Review for the week ending August 6 contains the following listing: (MON) Union Pacific unveiled the first of several locomotives being repainted in the color schemes of its predecessor railroads. The first 2 locomotives were repainted in the Missouri Pacific and Western Pacific paint schemes, and the next 4 will be repainted in the Katy, Chicago & North Western, Southern Pacific, and Denver & Rio Grande Western paint schemes. It is time we pay homage to these railroads, said UP Chairman and CEO Dick Davidson. (ffd: Council Bluffs Daily Norpareil) Thus, UP is still using some of their predecessor paint schemes. Chris Harding (with credit to Dave Mears)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36440	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: AF Radius

I too have often wondered about the "true" radius. As a railroad civil engineer, I always use the centerline radius for track lay out, and AF's isn't 20 inches! Now, how to determine it: The circumference of a circle is C = 2 * Pi * R so the radius is C / (2 Pi). The length of the gauge face of the inner rail of a piece of curved track, measured along the arc, is one-twelfth of the circumference of a full circle. I rough-measured it as 9 3/4" but your measurements may be slightly different, and I leave that up to you. Twelve pieces to a circle, times 9 3/4 inches, equals 117 inches (this is the circumference). Using our formula, the radius works out to 117 / (2 * Pi) or 18.621 inches. Now this was the radius of the inner rail, so we have to add half the gauge of the track. S Gauge is 7/8 inches, so one-half is 7/16 inches. 18.621 plus 7/16 equals 19.059 inches. This (depending on your measurement of the inner rail length) is the true radius of the centerline of AF so-called 19" radius track. Now about the figure eight geometry, it's true that one-quarter of a circle of track is replaced by the ten-inch long crossing diamond, the half-track, and the full straight track pieces, so it would seem that 20 inches should be the correct radius. However, the people at "The Gilbert Halls of Science" goofed on the length of the crossing piece (it should be only 8 inches long), and the figure eight isn't a smooth figure eight! If the curved pieces are laid tightly together, there will be a slight, but still noticeable, kink between the crossing piece and the straight tracks connecting to it. That's because the radius of the curved pieces isn't 20 inches. Try it and you'll see. Happy railroading! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36441	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: for sale

hi, i have some extra stuff for sale, $10 each, box cars,tankers, $5 hoppers, caboose's $7 gondola's engine shells,$5 mostly atlantics one 21085 i think $10 8b transformers $3 small transformers $1 each straight track box rusty track free, but $8 to ship it theses are in good shape ,but operator quality,,,,box cars all have chipped cat walks,and such,i have about 30 to 40 of theses cars, also ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > > Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36442	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: Union Pacific paint schemes

Which of course, is why they are doing it: for legal reasons; they couldn't care less about paying homage to those railroads-they were competitors for gosh sakes. Until the aggressive stance the UP has taken on IP, there was nary a mention of anything of the sort. Roy Inman > From: nyc17819@... > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:27:57 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Union Pacific paint schemes > > Thus, UP is still using some of their predecessor paint schemes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36443	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Alco - Has Probelms - but can be fixed.....

Robert, I had a complete Erie set that had a constant problem with rapid overheating of the powered A-unit. I sent the powered unit to Doug Peck at Port Lines and he had to do several modifications to fix the problem... He ended up having to replace the control board with a Dalle unit along with his recommended base upgrade that is described on his site at Port Lines Hobby... The unit has never overheated since running off a standard classic AC transformer setup... Contact Doug for kit or repair info... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:54 AM To: s-trains list Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Erie Alco Do I recall something about the Flyonel Erie Alco being a particularly problematical engine? Poor performance, unreliability, or something? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36444	From: starr007	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: 586 water tower

Greetings, Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the inside of the 586 water tower. I need to see how the light and solenoid are wired. Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr, or, does anyone have one in need of repair that would have the solenoid intact with the wires attached? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36445	From: reynoldsjmus	Date: 8/27/2005
Subject: UP predecessor marks

at the risk of beating a dead horse on the up issue, i am guessing the reason up is painting locos with the old marks is to protect their rights to them. trademark law requires some continual use of marks, otherwise after a time they become in the public domain and anyone can use them. for modelers that want fallen flag markings on our rolling stock, we would like that to happen but i bet up wont ever let it. dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36446	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: UP Heritage paint scheme units

For those who are interested, here are shots of the MP and WP SD70ACe units, from both sides. As you will see, they are not repainted in old paint schemes, but are new designs using old colors and emblems. I shot these on July 30th, just before they were unveiled. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP1982R.jpg http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP1983.jpg http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP1983R.jpg http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP1982-1983.jpg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36447	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2762

Hi Joe, I saw your post on the S Trains list about the American Models 4-8-4 Northern, and want a Hi Rail DC Santa Fe at $335. I guess that I will need to call with the deposit information; let me know how soon I need to do it, and what is a good time to call. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36448	From: joan dienst	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Toy train Cleaner

Hi, I am trying to find a good cleaner for my S-scale trains.. I have been using " Hampton Hobby Products " Antique train & toy cleaner but, I cannot find out where to obtain this product the 800 number on the side of the bottle is no longer valid and I have run out cleaner... Does anyone know if they are still in business and where I can get a new supply ? Does anyone have a recommendation for a good cleaner that will not damage the paint ? thx Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36449	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: Pullman Library sale

and he notes - Selling second copy of "The Official Pullman Standard Library Vol 8 Rock Island", a great book on the "Rock's" Pullman prewar and postwar passenger fleet - full of photos, floor and side view drawngs - Mint condition. $55.00 ppd Interested parties please contact me off list. Raleigh in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36450	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 28, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36451	From: Bruce	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: A. C. Gilbert, American Flyer, 'S' track radius / diameter

I had a 4' x 4' board with a circle of track on it. After thinking about it a bit, I moved the circle all the way to one corner, replaced two curves with switches (leaving 4 curves between the 'single track' ends of the switches), and built an outside passing track with 6 curves, 2 half curves, and a custom 1/4 straight. The resulting egg shape (with a circle at the narrow end) just fit the 4' x 4' board (ties to the edges). I'll post a photo if I can find one. - Bruce Willis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > So my quesation is will a full 12 PC circle of AF track fit on a foot4 X 4 > foot piece of plywood. And while we are at it would there be enough roon for a > single spur > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36452	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: 586 water tower

I trust you mean the 596 water tank? The TM Guide has no 586, but shows 586F as the Wayside Station. I don't have a wiring diagram, but my 596 is working, so I figure the wiring must be correct. Mine has a yellow wire and two gray wiires. The yellow wire goes from the control button to the lower side of the solenoid. One gray wire goes to the top of the solenoid, which is grounded to the body of the water tank. The other gray wire goes to the light, which, of course, is also grounded to the body. Bob starr007 <starr007@...> wrote: Greetings, Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the inside of the 586 water tower. I need to see how the light and solenoid are wired. Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr, or, does anyone have one in need of repair that would have the solenoid intact with the wires attached? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36453	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: Toy train Cleaner

I use a weak solution of Quixtar's Dish Drops, which I sell through my website. And when you're not cleaning trains, they're great for washing dishes! Bob joan dienst <mike-joan41428@...> wrote: Hi, I am trying to find a good cleaner for my S-scale trains.. I have been using " Hampton Hobby Products " Antique train & toy cleaner but, I cannot find out where to obtain this product the 800 number on the side of the bottle is no longer valid and I have run out cleaner... Does anyone know if they are still in business and where I can get a new supply ? Does anyone have a recommendation for a good cleaner that will not damage the paint ? thx Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36454	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/28/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models II

Wow! I just voted and we're up to 242, way ahead of HO, HO, HO at 72, and N at 13. Keep voting - Zero Scale is at 369. Bob tcom.no> wrote: Vote more than once 8-) !!! Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Roy Inman wrote: >Hey folks, let's please get signed up :) >Only 33 votes so far for S, after I voted. >Cheers :) >Roy > > > >>From: John Foley >>Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:38:48 -0400 >>To: S-Scale , S-Trains >>Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Korber Models >> >>Hi Folks >>Korber Models has a new website at http://www.korbermodels.com/index1.htm >>Near the bottom of their home page they are conducting a survey. S scale is >>included. So lets vote for S. >>John Foley >>NASG Promotions >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >>To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For >>those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to >>edit the SUBJECT of your message). >> >>Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or >>photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to edit the SUBJECT of your message). > >Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36455	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: 586 water tower

I used a flashing red light bulb for the top of my water tank. Requires no change to the wiring. I bought them from Craig Kober at York years ago. Can't find an internet address for him. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 586 water tower > I trust you mean the 596 water tank? The TM Guide has no 586, but shows 586F as the Wayside Station. > > I don't have a wiring diagram, but my 596 is working, so I figure the wiring must be correct. > > Mine has a yellow wire and two gray wiires. > > The yellow wire goes from the control button to the lower side of the solenoid. > > One gray wire goes to the top of the solenoid, which is grounded to the body of the water tank. > > The other gray wire goes to the light, which, of course, is also grounded to the body. > > Bob > > > starr007 <starr007@...> wrote: > Greetings, Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the inside of the 586 water tower. I need to see how the light and solenoid are wired. Thanks in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr, or, does anyone have one in need of repair that would have the solenoid intact with the wires attached? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36456	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 36457	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re;Flyer track radius

Hey, y'all...Do you know what you're doing? A tiny layout on a 4x4' board is almost a micro layout! This has been popular for some time in On30 and even longer overseas where rooms are smaller. While 4x4' would be a bit big for a "micro" it would still be a good "mini" and could be a neat display layout! Because you're using standard Flyer radius track, anything should run on it(although those new Northerns would be a bit oversize!) Small layouts take less time to build, are cheaper to build, and less time and money to detail with scenery, buildings, etc. Plus they are easily stored or transported. I finished my first little S gauge layout in just a few months, but in my case I used old Pikemaster track to get even smaller. I'm using small locos and 40' freight cars and it doesn't look bad in operation at all. Give a small layout a try, it's fun! Stumpy Stone...small layout fiend in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36458	From: G. Elems	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: UP heritage units

UP isn't using predecessor paint schemes. What they are doing is slapping some elements of the predecessor roads on an engine in a thinly veiled attempt to show the use of their logos and such. To date the MP, MKT and WP engines are using colors once associated with the railroads but the paint scheme is entirely new. Being I worked on the WP before the UP merger I watched them repaint, tear down and what ever else could be done to make WP disappear. UP has spent a lot of money since the merger to eliminate WP visibility and did the same with the CNW, MKT, DRGW and SP. Now that they want a cut of the pie from model railroad manufacturers, suddenly they are trying to resurrect their heritage. I don't look for the up coming CNW, DRGW or SP units to be any closer than the current three out and running. What it will do is make some companies jump through the hoops in licensing so that they can sell these engines, which may have resisted doing before hand. For the train watching public they make nice reminders of UP's heritage and give them something to look for. Greg Elems --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, nyc17819@a... wrote: > Dave Mears' Weekly Rail Review for the week ending August 6 contains the > following listing: > > (MON) Union Pacific unveiled the first of several locomotives being repainted > in the color schemes of its predecessor railroads. The first 2 locomotives > were repainted in the Missouri Pacific and Western Pacific paint schemes, and > the next 4 will be repainted in the Katy, Chicago & North Western, Southern > Pacific, and Denver & Rio Grande Western paint schemes. It is time we pay homage > to these railroads, said UP Chairman and CEO Dick Davidson. (ffd: Council > Bluffs Daily Norpareil) > > Thus, UP is still using some of their predecessor paint schemes. > > Chris Harding (with credit to Dave Mears) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36459	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Korber Models voting

I just placed my vote for S on the Korber Models site. I am only voting once. Those of you who are running up the vote by multiple voting are not helping the S cause. I expect that Korber already realizes what is going on and will discount the S vote because it is so out of whack with the percentage of S modelers versus the other scales. Korber and S would have been better served if they required you to leave an email address when voting. This would have kept the multiple voting to a minimum. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36460	From: bruce weidner	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: S on OGR forum

The S gauge forum on OGR is off to a slow but steady start with 22 topics and 107 posts I encourage you to check it out you can even post pics in the forum along with your posts. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36461	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Micro layouts

**(((Hey, y'all...Do you know what you're doing? A tiny layout on a 4x4' board is almost a micro layout! This has been popular for some time in On30 and even longer overseas where rooms are smaller.)))*** I'm a BIG fan!! It's all the room I have for a layout!! http://s-scale.org/albums/album31 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36462	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: #652 Pikes Peak

Greetings Group! I just bought a box of Flyer trains, switches and track from a guy at work. I must admit that I know next to nothing about American Flyer but I'm fairly confident that most of the trains in the box are fairly common. I do have one painted red #652, Pikes Peak car. The car is in really nice shape. Some rubs on the grabrails and a few scratches in the paint but overall a really good looking car. I do need to resolder the wires for the light tho. I have a couple of questions about the car. What would be the best way to clean this car without doing any damage to the paint or lettering. Also, there is a piece of paper inside the car that arches over the light bulb and covers the windows the entire length of the car. This is not actually attached to the side of the car but is a seperate piece from the window inserts. Is this original or did someone add this to diffuse the light? I want to put this car in the best shape I can as I think I want to sell this one. It is the only one of it's type in the box. Thanks in advance for any info! Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36463	From: Phil K	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Korber poll says it has been shut down

I tried to vote this morning, but get a popup box saying the poll has either expired or been terminated. Anyone else get this result? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: #652 Pikes Peak

**((( Also, there is a piece of paper inside the car that arches over the light bulb and covers the windows the entire length of the car. This is not actually attached to the side of the car but is a seperate piece from the window inserts. Is this original or did someone add this to diffuse the light? ))*** It's original, mine has it.....much like other AF lighted coaches. Which color do you have? Bright Red, Green, or the Maroon? **((I think I want to sell this one.**))** I, myself, would hang on to it. Course, the TM price guide lists them from $250 up $450. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36465	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: K-Line rumour

Hey y'all...My hobby shop guy says that due to the bankruptcy all shipment from K-line not already on their way may be held up indefinately. I'm looking for the S gauge Porter. Do you think I'm going to get one? Stumpy Stone...the rains have started up here in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36466	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Prediction coming true...

How true. What I would like to see is a line of structure kits featuring Route 66 cafes, filling stations and motels. Some of the most weird, funky and downright hilarious stuff sprang up along the "Mother Road." Lionel offered a whole series of Route 66 stuff, including a UFO cafe and flat cars lettered as Route 66 with cars from the 150's~'60's. Cool stuff. Of course my era is circa 1930~1968, to cover the steam/diesel transition, and also to catch the turbines. I always wanted the UFO cafe in S, and perched on top would be little green persons, presumably from Mars. Roy Inman > From: Edward Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...> > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:15:23 -0700 > To: "List, S scale" <S-scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Prediction coming true... > > The point here is that layouts can be so much more than simply green > paint for grass, black paint for roads, and blue paint for rivers. > Think creatively and look around at everyday life for ideas to make your > layout unique and interesting. There is no need to have "ordinary > stuff" when really "neat stuff" is possible. > > Cheers...Ed L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36467	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/29/2005
Subject: Rotape

Hi all, Has anyone bought and used the gizmo called a Rotape? I saw one today for the first time but did not get a chance to handle it. Kinda hard to describe in these circumstances, but visualize a tape measure laid on its side, with a sharp center point sticking out of the tape case. On the tape end that pulls out of the case is a holder for a pencil lead which is designed for the tool. One can thus draw circles of any radius from 3.5 inches to 72 inches. I know that a person can make a device similar, but this is a really well-produced tool, and has the added advantage of a built-in measuring device. I went to the web site at www.rotape.com, and the price is $29.95. It will also make parallel lines. Seems to me that it might be a handy tool for laying track. Cheers :) Roy inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36468	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/30/2005
Subject: Re: Counting our Blessings!

Two Rail, Three Rail, Knuckle Couplers, Link Couplers, O Guage, S Gauge, Brass, Die Cast, Scale or near Scale, Tinplate, In lieu of viewing the devaatation of our friends, In New Orleans and nearby area none of the above mean diddly squat! Life must go on, and we must reach out to these people in whatever way we can, I am honestly thinking of cancelling my trip to York and sending a good Love gift to the American Red Cross We have a family next door whose relaties sent their wives and children from Slidell outside of New Orleans and to this very hour they have not been able to make contact with the men of their family and they are terrified, so going and running my trains mean nothing right now. Sharing my thoughts Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36469	From: charlie and edith	Date: 8/30/2005
Subject: E-unit cycling checklist

Greetings! The following is a list of suggestions I received and things I tried to eliminate "cycling" of the E-unit in my 322SIT. My thanks for all the help and patience given! As this was my first "Flyer", it is very satisfying to have it running well again. -E-unit, clean drum, pencil erraser and a cotton swab with alcohol. Check deflection of fingers to insure contact with drum. Rotate drum to check "timing" of fingers and contact points. Timing can be changed by gently bending the rotating tab down to increase rotation or up to decrease rotation. -Brass buttons, cover with electrical tape to hold them into the frame or cut a piece of shim stock to fit between the drive wheels with a notched end to slide under the grease pan. -Drive wheels, make sure all rims are tight. -Tender drawbar, make sure it is straight. -Tender wires, make sure they are flexible. -Tender smoke tube, make sure it is flexible and is not to long or short causing the tender to shift. - -Tender frame, make sure it is straight side to side and front to back. Check the "ring" around the bushing hole to make sure it is not "smooshed". -Tender trucks, Check tension on pick-up springs, clean wheels and spring contact, check wheel spacing, square tender trucks to insure all wheels are making contact with track, check spring to rivet contact, check bushings and washers (broken or missing), check ring on truck around bushing hole to make sure it is not smooshed, check side frames to make sure they do not touch track. -Tender truck wheels, check diameter of wheels, check the axles of the wheelsets to make sure they are straight, check spacing between wheels, remove the center wheelset, exchange the center plastic wheelset with a metal/plastic wheelset, add a small washer to each axle outside the wheel to keep the wheelset centered in the truck. My truck frames were 1/16" wider then those on the 326 and the washer did make a difference. I hope this list will be helpful. It is a process of "trial and error" until the right combination is found. If I have forgotten something, please let me know and I will add it to the "list". Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36470	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: CCSG

Hi Everyone, Watching the News coming out of New Orleans, I can't help thinking about our friends in the Crescent City S Gaugers. I know a least 5 of them are in the flooded area and the pictures don't look pretty. In the scheme of things, their layouts are petty compared to the rest of their loss, but it is our common thread and some of the layouts are just incredible. I had the privilege of living amongst them while I was working down there. They took me in and help me learn my way around and when it was time to move, they were there to help with that too. Truly a fine group of S gaugers, I just wanted to say I'm thinking about them and wish I could help them in some way. Sadly, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36471	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts

Mr. Stumpy wrote mentioning "micro" and "mini" layouts. This made me wonder about something similar. Does or has anyone made a layout based on the principals of a Murphy Bed? What are the pluses and minuses of this other than the obvious. In other words how does "Murphey's Law" come into play. Thanks. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36472	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts

Hi Bill and Esteemed Colleagues, There was an article in Model Railroader a couple of years back about a fold-away layout. When I get home, I'll dig through some back issues seeking the original. Of course, it was for an HO pike. That should not deter us from considering the basics for a Flyer layout since the fairly common 18 inch radius for HO is close to the 20 (or 19 or 19 3/8 or 19.4 or whatever) inch radius of common Flyer track. I'm sure that if I laid it out with a Rotape and then sawed it with a portable jigsaw, the precision would not be an issue. The authors showed how to make a reasonably solid pivot and drop legs as well as the cabinet portion attached to the wall. They also discussed the impact on scenic details such as buildings, trees and ground cover. The essence of that part was to secure the stuff you can secure and make the rest of it easily removable. Good Luck, Bill Porter > Mr. Stumpy wrote mentioning "micro" and "mini" layouts. This made me > wonder > about something similar. Does or has anyone made a layout based on the > principals of a Murphy Bed? What are the pluses and minuses of this other > than the > obvious. In other words how does "Murphey's Law" come into play. Thanks. > > Bill Greaves > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36473	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: New Orleans

Just wondering if anyone has heard from Jay Mellon or any of our other friends in the Crescent City S Gaugers (New Orleans)? We're praying that they are all OK. John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36474	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2775

Remembering T.J. Tom Jarcho has been gone a year. I think of him every time I try to solder a wire or figure out something . S Gaugian sure needs him. -Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36475	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Tom Jarcho

**((Tom Jarcho has been gone a year. I think of him every time I try to solder a wire or figure out something . S Gaugian sure needs him.))** Wow! Has it been a year? I still have Tom's email address in my S-train's folder. I see it occasionally and think of him. I miss his posts! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36476	From: Alex	Date: 8/31/2005
Subject: Re: Tom Jarcho

Tom was always a pleasure to chat with on the telephone, too. Alex in Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:12 PM To: STrains Subject: [S-Trains] Tom Jarcho **((Tom Jarcho has been gone a year. I think of him every time I try to solder a wire or figure out something . S Gaugian sure needs him.))** Wow! Has it been a year? I still have Tom's email address in my S-train's folder. I see it occasionally and think of him. I miss his posts! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36477	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: York dealer costs

Hey, y'all...At the hobby shop yesterday there was a store owner from somewhere around Chicago talking with my hobby shop's owner about York. Not being a York goer, I didn't know about the addition of another day to the event. Both these guys were pretty agitated about that. If my understanding of the conversation is correct, the extra day they have to pay for, plus the extra registration for the help they take will increase their costs quite a bit. And then there is the price of gas to consider. Unless these guys have an exceptionally good York, they're not going back in the spring. And Gary hasn't missed a York in over 25 years! While the majors will probably take the costs in stride, I gathered that smaller dealers will quit appearing at York. It appears that this is being discussed by dealers all over the country. What's the story here? After this other dealer left I didn't get any more details. I've always thought about going with Gary to York, but now I may not get the chance. Stumpy Stone...lost in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36478	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts

I am planning on building such a layout in a storage utility room at my mountain cabin. The biggest problem that I see in comparison with a murphey bed is that the bed is a lot closer to the floor than you would want a layout. That limits the amount of the upswing. For a 4x8, you would either need to hinge it on the 8 foot side, thereby taking up a lot more wall space and making a much bigger cabinet, or you would need to make a bifold of the 4x8. In order to leave room for some height on the layout it would need to fold bottom to bottom, with the track and scenery facing the back and front of the cabinet. I am still completing the construction on the room, so I have time for more planning, but I think the folded 4x8 is the way I will go. Dale Smith Soda Springs, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <wpporter@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Murphey Layouts > Hi Bill and Esteemed Colleagues, > > There was an article in Model Railroader a couple of years back about a > fold-away layout. When I get home, I'll dig through some back issues > seeking the original. Of course, it was for an HO pike. That should not > deter us from considering the basics for a Flyer layout since the fairly > common 18 inch radius for HO is close to the 20 (or 19 or 19 3/8 or 19.4 > or whatever) inch radius of common Flyer track. I'm sure that if I laid it > out with a Rotape and then sawed it with a portable jigsaw, the precision > would not be an issue. > > The authors showed how to make a reasonably solid pivot and drop legs as > well as the cabinet portion attached to the wall. They also discussed the > impact on scenic details such as buildings, trees and ground cover. The > essence of that part was to secure the stuff you can secure and make the > rest of it easily removable. > > Good Luck, > Bill Porter > >> Mr. Stumpy wrote mentioning "micro" and "mini" layouts. This made me >> wonder >> about something similar. Does or has anyone made a layout based on the >> principals of a Murphy Bed? What are the pluses and minuses of this other >> than the >> obvious. In other words how does "Murphey's Law" come into play. Thanks. >> >> Bill Greaves >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36479	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs

Dear Stumpy, Maybe it is just my circle of friends, but no one is happy with the new York format. Dealer, Mfgs or members. The prices for our space is almost 50% higher and as you mention, we will now have to go a day earlier to set up and that means an additional hotel night stay. With this new format, we have had to decline being part of the museum mfg. forum held the day before as we have no idea what to expect and want to spend the time preparing our booth. One long time AF collector and friend that has been to every York for the last 25 years told me he was staying home (and this was when gasoline was under 2 bucks a gal.), his rational was that he could not afford to take another day off from work and that if they open up on Thursday, the chances of finding something interesting at a reasonable price would be less likely. I wonder if he is the only one or if others feel the same way. Don Stumpy Stone wrote: >Hey, y'all...At the hobby shop yesterday there was a store owner from >somewhere around Chicago talking with my hobby shop's owner about >York. Not being a York goer, I didn't know about the addition of >another day to the event. Both these guys were pretty agitated about >that. > If my understanding of the conversation is correct, the extra day >they have to pay for, plus the extra registration for the help they >take will increase their costs quite a bit. And then there is the >price of gas to consider. Unless these guys have an exceptionally >good York, they're not going back in the spring. And Gary hasn't >missed a York in over 25 years! > While the majors will probably take the costs in stride, I gathered >that smaller dealers will quit appearing at York. It appears that >this is being discussed by dealers all over the country. > What's the story here? After this other dealer left I didn't get >any more details. I've always thought about going with Gary to York, >but now I may not get the chance. > Stumpy Stone...lost in Appalachia. > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36480	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: New Orleans

I tried to contact Jay, as well as a couple other of my LA customers. Have had one reply (Bill McKie.....OK), but no reply from Jay yet. Hope anyone who hears anything will post...... <<Just wondering if anyone has heard from Jay Mellon or any of our other friends in the Crescent City S Gaugers (New Orleans)? We're praying that they are all OK. >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36481	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: Murphey Layouts

Dale, I'm not familiar with the hardware involved but it seems like one could have a slide mechanism to allow the bottom (back side) of the layout to rise when the layout is pulled away from the wall. That would allow you to stick with the "standard" size and still have the layout at the proper height when it is pulled down. A cabinet shop or large hardware store might be able to steer you to the necessary hardware. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@s...> wrote: > I am planning on building such a layout in a storage utility room at my > mountain cabin. The biggest problem that I see in comparison with a murphey > bed is that the bed is a lot closer to the floor than you would want a > layout. That limits the amount of the upswing. For a 4x8, you would either > need to hinge it on the 8 foot side, thereby taking up a lot more wall space > and making a much bigger cabinet, or you would need to make a bifold of the > 4x8. In order to leave room for some height on the layout it would need to > fold bottom to bottom, with the track and scenery facing the back and front > of the cabinet. I am still completing the construction on the room, so I > have time for more planning, but I think the folded 4x8 is the way I will > go. > > Dale Smith > Soda Springs, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <wpporter@d...> > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:49 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Murphey Layouts > > > > Hi Bill and Esteemed Colleagues, > > > > There was an article in Model Railroader a couple of years back about a > > fold-away layout. When I get home, I'll dig through some back issues > > seeking the original. Of course, it was for an HO pike. That should not > > deter us from considering the basics for a Flyer layout since the fairly > > common 18 inch radius for HO is close to the 20 (or 19 or 19 3/8 or 19.4 > > or whatever) inch radius of common Flyer track. I'm sure that if I laid it > > out with a Rotape and then sawed it with a portable jigsaw, the precision > > would not be an issue. > > > > The authors showed how to make a reasonably solid pivot and drop legs as > > well as the cabinet portion attached to the wall. They also discussed the > > impact on scenic details such as buildings, trees and ground cover. The > > essence of that part was to secure the stuff you can secure and make the > > rest of it easily removable. > > > > Good Luck, > > Bill Porter > > > >> Mr. Stumpy wrote mentioning "micro" and "mini" layouts. This made me > >> wonder > >> about something similar. Does or has anyone made a layout based on the > >> principals of a Murphy Bed? What are the pluses and minuses of this other > >> than the > >> obvious. In other words how does "Murphey's Law" come into play. Thanks. > >> > >> Bill Greaves > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36482	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs

Stumpy, Volunteer now, split the costs. One thing you will probably note about "train people," they do vent their feelings. Change "don't come easy" either. I'll be there, may have to borrow a bike to get across the river tho Jim"wish my buggy whip stock was worth as much as the gas in my tank" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36483	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs

The feelings run the gamut, as I said earlier, change "don't come easy". The irony here seems to be the fact that since I joined in '94, the greatest complaint within the organization was that "York" opened on Friday, NOT earlier. The dealers wanted more selling time on the fairgrounds etc. Many dealers (closely define THAT word) are in Central PA on Saturday or Sunday preceeding, set up in their hotel/motel rooms, selling off of their beds and dressers. I see them on Sunday mornings combing the "Fleas", looking for bargains like the rest of us (ain't been any for a long, long time). Some dealers set up at the Fleas as a precurser to setting up at one of the "Bandit Meets". The "bandits" were able to raise their space prices and extend their days because the fairgrounds didn't open earlier. NOW that is changing and change "don't come easy", to quote a forgotten song. I understand the theory that you have to be the first in the door on the first day to get the "buys", but, I do my best on Saturdays. ALWAYS have. Easier to get to the parts dealers, easier to walk the aisles. Unfortunately, dealers are packing early to go home, because they have been there all week. A conundrum, I believe. The drive home is probably longer than the drive to York. Same distance for me either way, just more traffic on the way back. I understand Don and Mike's plight also. An extra day away from the office, the associated costs etc, mount up quickly. They (one or the other) always do a very nice presentation at NTTM, they will be missed as will Joe Hater from WEAVER. I travel back and forth across the river every day, that is gonna hurt as gas prices continue to sky-rocket, altho the gouging may lessen as the days go on (yea, right). The "York experience" went a long time without change, the Eastern Div does a great job with less than enough help, I would guess. Change is here and it will take time to implement. From my perspective as a "Flushologist", if Grampa liked it, our generation may try it. "May" being the operative word. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36484	From: John Foley	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Arc welder model kit

Hi Folks Here a company that produces an arc welder model kit in 1/64th. http://store.yahoo.com/whitebearstudios/ind_4.html They also stock 1/64th vehicles. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36485	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: GOT MY BADGE

My badge came yesterday..... after being delivered to the wrong address..... fastest ever....... But now I am having second thoughts about going....... What are your feelings?.... Higher gas, another night, higher airfares, etc...... When do Meets start?..... Sunday now? ( was Monday) 1/2 meet, Bandit early thur am?.... tca opens at noon. on Thursday.....why not 9:00...... Your Thoughts..... Personally I am thinking about the 1200 to 1400 spent from Florida by plane, etc....... would make several payments on my new Vette..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36486	From: knockbill	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: York costs

I personally can get around the TCA meet in the 2 days, & do find the deals on Saturday.... I also like to attend the "bandits" in the beginning of the week.... My concern is the motel/parking lot shows being shortened, Dealers & guys setting up at the TCA show would close up their parking lot tables around lunch time on Thurs, to set up in the halls... Now it will be 1/2 day Wed... I wonder if, with the rising prices (motel lots, gas etc), if the parking lots will still be as big as before? Will they start on Monday,(as is the fire house) or be priced out of being.... I hope they stay..... Anyone know how the parking lot meets will be set up? As far as people going to the meets, I found it harder to get a motel room this time than ever before, so I guess folks will be going in droves.... As was said, Change don't come easy..... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36487	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/1/2005
Subject: Re: York dealer costs

The table cost is up but only about $4.00 a table,and you are getting another day of selling.A lot of the dealers are in York all week because they set up at the other shows,they will be loosing 1 day at the other meets and that might make some of them mad.Since York is 3 days I am only going for the TCA meet and will finaly get to look around on Wensday. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <mrstumpy@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York dealer costs > Stumpy, > > Volunteer now, split the costs. One thing you will probably note about > "train people," they do vent their feelings. Change "don't come easy" > either. > > I'll be there, may have to borrow a bike to get across the river tho > > Jim"wish my buggy whip stock was worth as much as the gas in my tank" > Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36488	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: CCSG

Doug, I've tried to contact the CCSG guys, also. Jay's e-mail is bouncing which I think means his box is full. Nothing from any of the others yet. I guess, if they don't have laptops, we won't hear for quite a while. *** but no reply from Jay yet. Hope anyone who hears anything will post......*** Tom Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36489	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: small layouts

With all this discussion about small layouts, I'm surprised nobody has written about using Pikemaster track. If I remember correctly, the radius is much smaller. I know that it's more fragile, but attached to a good foundation it may work fine. Which engines have problems on it? I've run Pacifics and Atlantics just fine. My Putt Docksider doesn't work though. Does any one mix track on their layout? I've considered using Pikemaster for a trolley or logging line with standard track and roadbed everywhere else. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36490	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Searching for 1st Greg Hurd article

I'm rebuilding my layout following a basement remodeling job. I am looking for the first in a series of three S Gaugian articles by Greg Hurd titled "Building an S Layout on a Budget." I believe this was in the September/October edition. I have 2nd and 3rd articles in the series, but seem to have misplaced the first. If someone can send me a copy of that article or would sell me the magazine, I would appreciate it. Dave davidh@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36491	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: (no subject)

- GreetingS - Dale asked about a suspended-from-the-wall layout resembling a Murphey bed. It appears that the variation needed is to use two hinge points and a swinging arm between them. Looking at an available 8' space with the 8' panel length vertical, a hinge pair is put on the wall 4' apart and at 5' to 6' up from the floor. The upper ends of swing arms having an effective length of 3' to 4' fasten to these hinges. The lower ends of the swing arms hinge to the layout board 2' from the end (bottom end when board is vertical). Bottom end barely touches the floor when board is vertical. When the board is lowered to horizontal, the once-was bottom end slides up the wall, perferably on strips of hardwood. If no other geometry changed, the board would be 2' off the floor. However, consider the geometry! a) For the 3' arm, the right triangle defined by the arm, 2' of the board, and the wall has a hypotenuse of 3', horizontal side of 2', and a verical side of 2.45'. [Pythagoras really knew something.] This puts the lower hinge point 5' - 2.45' = 2.55' above the floor. The outer end of the board, once-was top, is supported by swing-down legs around 2.55' in height. b) A lower alternative is to mount the upper hinge points at 6' and use 4' swing arms. With the board horizontal, the right triangle described by the swing arm, board, and wall has a 4' hypotenuse, 2' horizontal side, and a 3.46' vertical side. This yields a layout board height of 6' - 3.46' = 2.54'. Again, the outer end of the board is supported by legs, this time around 2.54' in length. I'll try for an ASCII character sketch of the up and down positions if anyone would find it useful. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36492	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Re: small layouts (why not Pikemaster ?)

I can see using Pikemaster track for ovals or circles or for a streetcar line, and using S-Helper switchers with some short freight cars. But let me ask about switches. Do they work? Back in the mid 1970's I acquired some Pikemaster track and brand new switches in original boxes. They simply did not work. Sure the switch part would move but not tight against the rails. I am talking about not one Pikemaster switch but 4 of them. I gave up, sold them, and concluded that Pikemaster switches were just junk. Was my experience typical or do some of you actually have Pikemaster switches that work reasonably well ? - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36493	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: CCSG

All, I have heard from Mike (Mickey) Bushnell of the CCSG. In his own words: ***Tom: I'm fine. Susan & I evacuated to Pensacola, and are staying in a reasonably comfortable hotel (with hi-speed internet service, no less). From what we can see on the various news sites, our houses may be reasonably intact and unflooded. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I've had a few text messages from Allen. He stayed in Covington, and reports he's fine with little damage. Best regards, Mickey*** No word yet of or from Larry, Jay or Norm. Allen and Norm were at the NASG convention in Altoona. I'll post when I hear more or if you get word of them, please post for us... Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36494	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: YORK MEETS

Just got My O gager mag....... Fire hall dates are Monday, tue, wed....... assume the other meets moove back 1 day 2..... Still erconsidering going due to cost...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36495	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: New Orleans

Here is a place to look for names. I'm sure there will be many who are not on the list. Hopefully there will be similar lists posted via the Red Cross or places where the people have been taken. http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurricanes/list/index.html In Katrina's path: Reported safe CNN.com has been posting the names of those who wish to let loved ones know they are alright after the storm. If you were in Katrina's path and want to post your name here, please send an e-mail to the <mailto:hurricanevictims@...>Hurricane Victims Desk. For each person you are reporting for the list, include first and last name, age, hometown, state and a brief message. You may also include a phone number or e-mail address where those on the list may be reached. The list will be updated regularly. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36496	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 4, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36497	From: Dayna Williamson	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: New Orleans/ another list

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ On the right are some links for looking or leaving messages. I'm still waiting on info about my mother-in-law. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36498	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Re;small layouts (why not Pikemaster?)

I've built a few small layouts in HO and more recently many more in On30, which is about the same proportions as S, but different scale. My first S gauge mini layout is made with well used Pikemaster track. I didn't even have to paint the rails rusty...they are! This is definately cheap stuff, and the switches don't work all that well. It is 15" radius. I intend to take this around to a few shows over the winter and to the next S Spree. After that it will probably be retired. I'm using two Putt diesels and scratchbuilt cars, although my Flyer Pacifics, Atlantics, American Models', S-Helper's and Flyer 40' freight cars will run on the layout trouble free. The next small layout will probably use S-Helper flex track and either S-Helper switches or I may have to scratchbuild switches if I need tighter radius. I have a section of Gargraves flex track bent to 12" radius which the Putt diesels and all my 40' freight cars will go around. I'm waiting on the Flyonel Docksider and K-Line Porter to test. I'll report my results on that test. Stumpy Stone...small layout fan...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36499	From: John Foley	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Potomac valley S Gaugers

Hi Folks If there is a member of the Potomac Valley S Gaugers on this list? If so please send me a # I can call you at. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36500	From: charlie and edith	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: 290 Smoke Unit

Greetings! My apology to the list for the way in which the computer "arranged" the post on cycling E-units. Wish I knew why? Heading back to work on the 290. The smoke unit works well at high speeds, would like to improve the low speed preformance. If I remember previous discussions there or two possible solutions .... adding the "fifth" wire or reducing the number of windings on the smoke unit wick. For those of you who tried one, the other, or both .... does one seem to have any advantage over the other? Thanks for your thoughts! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36501	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2005
Subject: Re: Re;small layouts (why not Pikemaster?)

Has anyone used a different type switch motor, like an under the layout type(or anyother type that would insure the swithch operated correctly, to see if the sw would work to a reasonable standard, of reliabilty? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36502	From: Chris Burger	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Support for Katrina Victims

Just a quick note about a radio station here in Dayton Ohio. They did a pay for play day on friday and raised over 30,000.00 dollars for the Red Cross. Being strapped for cash at this point in time I donated a K-Line Anhuieser Busch Train set for them to auction off on their website. The bids are at a 100.00 dollars already. I urge others who want to help to check local radio stations to see if they are donig anything like this. It is a way to help the victims and promote the hobby to those who are not hurting at this time. Some of you may think of this as selfish self promoting idea, but it was the only way for us to get the money needed to give. Maybe the rest of the dealers on the list could take this as a challenge and do the same in their area. The website is www.wmmx.com Click on auctions and click on it again to see list of items up for auction. You can even bid on some of them. Chris Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36504	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The September list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36505	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Re: Re;small layouts (why not Pikemaster?)

Hi Mike ad Esteemed Colleagues, I have used Circuitron Tortoise switch machines with great comfort and reliability for years. They include as built-in components, electrical switch points. These points make up a DPDT switch which can be used to route power or (as I did on my old layout) to report back to the control panel when the switch was thrown. The mechanical contacts inside make contact when the motor has actually moved the linkage. That means I would throw the panel switch and a couple of seconds later the LED indicator would change. It was very nice and comfortably positive feedback. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:05 PM To: mrstumpy@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re;small layouts (why not Pikemaster?) Has anyone used a different type switch motor, like an under the layout type(or anyother type that would insure the swithch operated correctly, to see if the sw would work to a reasonable standard, of reliabilty? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36506	From: beebear	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Switch Machines

Speaking of switch machines.... Has anyone tried using one of these on an American Flyer switch? I have a couple of manual switched I would like to make automatic Thanks for any information John Frankforther > I have used Circuitron Tortoise switch machines with great comfort and > reliability for years. They include as built-in components, electrical > switch points. These points make up a DPDT switch which can be used to route > power or (as I did on my old layout) to report back to the control panel > when the switch was thrown.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36507	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Re: 290 Smoke Unit

I 5th wired my 290 and it's now a great smoker. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 290 Smoke Unit > Greetings! My apology to the list for the way in which the computer "arranged" the post on cycling E-units. Wish I knew why? Heading back to work on the 290. The smoke unit works well at high speeds, would like to improve the low speed preformance. If I remember previous discussions there or two possible solutions .... adding the "fifth" wire or reducing the number of windings on the smoke unit wick. For those of you who tried one, the other, or both .... does one seem to have any advantage over the other? Thanks for your thoughts! Best wishes, Charlie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36508	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/3/2005
Subject: Model Railroading for the Cause

Our hearts go out to everyone affected by hurricane Katrina. Many of which are our faithful customers, both in S and HO scales. We at Pine Canyon Scale Models have posted a link and phone number on our home page for those who would like to donate directly to the Red Cross. Also, from now until September 16, 2005 Pine Canyon Scale Models will donate 20% of all purchases of available items to the Red Cross Hurricane Katrina Relief Fund. Combine your passion for our great hobby with your passion for humanity. If you were already planning on making a purchase this month please do it today. Do some early holiday shopping in the next two weeks as well as helping a worthy cause. We apologize for the cross posting and forum use. We want to thank the group owners for allowing the space and helping the cause. God Bless and Stay Well, Keith Blanchard and the Pine Canyon Team http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36509	From: David Girson	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: My first posting.....

Hi everyone, I am happy to find this group. AF information has been difficult previous to this. I'm from Chicago. My dad bought me an AF train around 1960 and to this day, I remebered this as my all time favorite gift. The set was not large and not fancy but I loved it. I'm in my 50s now. My dad is 90 and terminally ill. I am glad that I had a chance to tell this and he was appreciative. His favorite gift he tells me is the 386 computer I gave him when he was 86. I don't have my train any more so that's when I decided I would find this small set and play with it once more. I bought and engine that I believe I had which is #21160. It wasn't even expensive today. All plastic and no smoke or sounds. After I found a few AF sites and seeing all those great catalogue of the 40s and 50s, I felt that I wanted more of what the kids on those covers were so happy about. I almost felt their age again. I bought one more engine which is a #282, which is supposed to smoke and "choo choo" (which i'm not sure yet what that is). I just purchased some track and a 2 transformers, which I hope I match the two engines. One is a #1 1/2b and the other a #2. I have no cars, because I want the plastic ones I had in 1960. I haven't seen these yet. I wish I could remeber the number set this was. I also remember a trestle set that made my tracks into an 8 configuration. I barely remember they were cardboard and fit together with slots. In the next few weeks I will ask basic questions about operating and dates of some of these pieces. Please be patient because I'm starting at ground zero... Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36510	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting

Hi David, Welcome aboard the world's greatest hobby. You will find that there are alot of great people on this and other groups. I am glad you found us. Yes, I know how you feel about the trains removing years from your life. This hobby is worth its weight in gold for that. It is more than nostalgia. It comes from the heart, the memories and creativity. With patience, this group should be able to help you find all your missing items to complete your set. It is great fun to grow a set into a full model railroad with all the excitement to go with it. Please read through the past messages and you will find tons of great info. Welcome aboard and Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard Pine Canyon Scale Models.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36511	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 4, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36512	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

Welcome! You've come to the right place. I joined the group this spring and have found it to be a great group of guys and gals, knowlegeable, helpful, and firendly. I've gotten a wealth of great information and advice from them, and am delighted whenever I get the chance to pass on the favor to others. In addition to interaction, you get the benefit of the group's archives of past messages and discussions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ Whenever you have a specific question, check first the group's FAQs: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm For layout ideas: http://www.thortrains.net/flyrlay1.htm And you've got to see this one: http://tuveson.com/ There are a host of American Flyer websites out there - just go to google.com and search for "American Flyer". That'll keep you busy for weeks. If you insist on eating and sleeping, it'll keep you busy for months. I might humbly recommend my own website: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/index.html It shows a lot of the trains from the 1940s and 1950s, plus Lessons Learned that should give you some ideas (and help you avoid some mistakes!) as you build your layout. There are two books, Greenberg and the TM Guide, that people use as resources to know what has been made by Gilbert and later by Lionel (after they acquired the rights to American Flyer). Personally, I use the TM Guide: http://www.tmbooks-video.com/ That's partly because it's used in the software I use to inventory my collection for insurance purposes: https://www.bangzoom.com/myProducts.cfm?categoryID=33 Again, welcome! Bob David Girson <tobeetwo@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am happy to find this group. AF information has been difficult previous to this. I'm from Chicago. My dad bought me an AF train around 1960 and to this day, I remebered this as my all time favorite gift. The set was not large and not fancy but I loved it. I'm in my 50s now. My dad is 90 and terminally ill. I am glad that I had a chance to tell this and he was appreciative. His favorite gift he tells me is the 386 computer I gave him when he was 86. I don't have my train any more so that's when I decided I would find this small set and play with it once more. I bought and engine that I believe I had which is #21160. It wasn't even expensive today. All plastic and no smoke or sounds. After I found a few AF sites and seeing all those great catalogue of the 40s and 50s, I felt that I wanted more of what the kids on those covers were so happy about. I almost felt their age again. I bought one more engine which is a #282, which is supposed to smoke and "choo choo" (which i'm not sure yet what that is). I just purchased some track and a 2 transformers, which I hope I match the two engines. One is a #1 1/2b and the other a #2. I have no cars, because I want the plastic ones I had in 1960. I haven't seen these yet. I wish I could remeber the number set this was. I also remember a trestle set that made my tracks into an 8 configuration. I barely remember they were cardboard and fit together with slots. In the next few weeks I will ask basic questions about operating and dates of some of these pieces. Please be patient because I'm starting at ground zero... Thanks, David S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36513	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: Switch Machines

Hello, A/F 720A switches average around $45 a pair in York country. Hardly worth the trouble. I do carve off all the extra plastic on manuals tho to make them look better on our holiday layouts. Not much lost . I do have lots of switch machines tho IF you want to try, new and used. Jim "amazed by what we are seeing on TV" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36514	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

Welcome to S gauge and Scale. Also check the S-trains website as well and there is even a small S gauge forum on OGR forum. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums --- David Girson <tobeetwo@...> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am happy to find this group. AF information has > been difficult > previous to this. > > I'm from Chicago. My dad bought me an AF train > around 1960 and to this > day, I remebered this as my all time favorite gift. > The set was not > large and not fancy but I loved it. I'm in my 50s > now. > > My dad is 90 and terminally ill. I am glad that I > had a chance to tell > this and he was appreciative. His favorite gift he > tells me is the 386 > computer I gave him when he was 86. > > I don't have my train any more so that's when I > decided I would find > this small set and play with it once more. > > I bought and engine that I believe I had which is > #21160. It wasn't > even expensive today. All plastic and no smoke or > sounds. > > After I found a few AF sites and seeing all those > great catalogue of > the 40s and 50s, I felt that I wanted more of what > the kids on those > covers were so happy about. I almost felt their age > again. > > I bought one more engine which is a #282, which is > supposed to smoke > and "choo choo" (which i'm not sure yet what that > is). > > I just purchased some track and a 2 transformers, > which I hope I match > the two engines. One is a #1 1/2b and the other a > #2. > > I have no cars, because I want the plastic ones I > had in 1960. I > haven't seen these yet. I wish I could remeber the > number set this was. > > I also remember a trestle set that made my tracks > into an 8 > configuration. I barely remember they were cardboard > and fit together > with slots. > > In the next few weeks I will ask basic questions > about operating and > dates of some of these pieces. > > Please be patient because I'm starting at ground > zero... > > Thanks, > David > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36515	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

David, Try to make it to our weekly AF chat tonight. You'll meet a lot of great resources and make some new friends! Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 4, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php I hope you can make it tonight!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36516	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re;My first posting

Welcome aboard David! You'll get tons of good info here about American Flyer and all the other neat S gauge stuff that has become available in the years since the fifties and sixties! I, too, started with Flyer as a four year old. From then I have worked in every scale from Z up to 3 1/2" scale, including some narrow gauge. Today I'm a 55 year old kid. You'll find that there are actually three groups of folks here. American Flyer Collectors, S Scale Modelers, and Hi-Railers, which are a combination of the other two. We all get along, whiich doesn't always happen elsewhere. Tune in to CHAT tonight if you can. Stumpy Stone...class clown Hi-Railer from Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36517	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: New Member

Hi David, I am also in my 50's and remember my first train my dad got me.It was a small set with a 300 engine and 4 cars,and I still have it.It is kind of beat up from use and dad had made a lot of parts to keep it running,but that is the way it will stay.I know the trestle set you are thinking of,I may have parts of the set or a whole set if you can't find set near you. Welcome again Robert Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36518	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

o boy are you in trouble!!!!!! I was in a train store about 1982 and saw an AF set........ came back home and dug out my old box of stuff........ It looked really nice from 1948 and 1950....... Then my mind thought..... well Santa never brought me the SF set, etc........Now I have well over 100 sets...... and I have no idea how many engines and cars and accessories piled in boxes........ BUT BOY HAS IT BEEN FUN !!!!!!!!! C U 2 Nite..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Girson" <tobeetwo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] My first posting..... > Hi everyone, > > I am happy to find this group. AF information has been difficult > previous to this. > > I'm from Chicago. My dad bought me an AF train around 1960 and to this > day, I remebered this as my all time favorite gift. The set was not > large and not fancy but I loved it. I'm in my 50s now. > > My dad is 90 and terminally ill. I am glad that I had a chance to tell > this and he was appreciative. His favorite gift he tells me is the 386 > computer I gave him when he was 86. > > I don't have my train any more so that's when I decided I would find > this small set and play with it once more. > > I bought and engine that I believe I had which is #21160. It wasn't > even expensive today. All plastic and no smoke or sounds. > > After I found a few AF sites and seeing all those great catalogue of > the 40s and 50s, I felt that I wanted more of what the kids on those > covers were so happy about. I almost felt their age again. > > I bought one more engine which is a #282, which is supposed to smoke > and "choo choo" (which i'm not sure yet what that is). > > I just purchased some track and a 2 transformers, which I hope I match > the two engines. One is a #1 1/2b and the other a #2. > > I have no cars, because I want the plastic ones I had in 1960. I > haven't seen these yet. I wish I could remeber the number set this was. > > I also remember a trestle set that made my tracks into an 8 > configuration. I barely remember they were cardboard and fit together > with slots. > > In the next few weeks I will ask basic questions about operating and > dates of some of these pieces. > > Please be patient because I'm starting at ground zero... > > Thanks, > David > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36519	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

Don't miss the big train show in Wheaton, Illinois next Sunday. There are always several Flyer and s-gauge dealers there: http://www.greatmidwesttrainshow.com/ And then there is the S-fest in South Beloit in November: http://www.s-fest.org/ I think you'll really enjoy both of these! And finally there is S-gauge and Flyer on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/bjj72 --- David Girson <tobeetwo@...> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am happy to find this group. AF information has been difficult > previous to this. > > I'm from Chicago. My dad bought me an AF train around 1960 and to > this > day, I remebered this as my all time favorite gift. The set was not > large and not fancy but I loved it. I'm in my 50s now. > > My dad is 90 and terminally ill. I am glad that I had a chance to > tell > this and he was appreciative. His favorite gift he tells me is the > 386 > computer I gave him when he was 86. > > I don't have my train any more so that's when I decided I would find > this small set and play with it once more. > > I bought and engine that I believe I had which is #21160. It wasn't > even expensive today. All plastic and no smoke or sounds. > > After I found a few AF sites and seeing all those great catalogue of > the 40s and 50s, I felt that I wanted more of what the kids on those > covers were so happy about. I almost felt their age again. > > I bought one more engine which is a #282, which is supposed to smoke > and "choo choo" (which i'm not sure yet what that is). > > I just purchased some track and a 2 transformers, which I hope I > match > the two engines. One is a #1 1/2b and the other a #2. > > I have no cars, because I want the plastic ones I had in 1960. I > haven't seen these yet. I wish I could remeber the number set this > was. > > I also remember a trestle set that made my tracks into an 8 > configuration. I barely remember they were cardboard and fit together > > with slots. > > In the next few weeks I will ask basic questions about operating and > dates of some of these pieces. > > Please be patient because I'm starting at ground zero... > > Thanks, > David > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36520	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

David Welcome abroad! Like many others, my father brought American Flyer into our home beginning with a DC Northerner that still runs and smokes with energy! To reignite the passion, I suggest reading Playing With Trains by Sam Posey. He tells a great story of his journey with model trains. And although he ended up with HO (partly because of 2 rails!), his addiction sound familiar: moving a metal support post in the basement to make room for his layout, not taking any telephone calls while he was doing layout work, etc. The subtitle of the book is "passion beyond scale." Model railroading in S scale is the best. Back to the basement, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36521	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/4/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

David, Visit Chuck Harrington's web site. Chuck has scanned copies of about every AC Gilbert AF catalog produce. I'm sure you'll find your original set in one of the catalogs. I have listed the link to the web site below. Lou Baldi http://www.myflyertrains.org/ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Girson" <tobeetwo@y...> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am happy to find this group. AF information has been difficult > previous to this. > > I'm from Chicago. My dad bought me an AF train around 1960 and to this > day, I remebered this as my all time favorite gift. The set was not > large and not fancy but I loved it. I'm in my 50s now. > > My dad is 90 and terminally ill. I am glad that I had a chance to tell > this and he was appreciative. His favorite gift he tells me is the 386 > computer I gave him when he was 86. > > I don't have my train any more so that's when I decided I would find > this small set and play with it once more. > > I bought and engine that I believe I had which is #21160. It wasn't > even expensive today. All plastic and no smoke or sounds. > > After I found a few AF sites and seeing all those great catalogue of > the 40s and 50s, I felt that I wanted more of what the kids on those > covers were so happy about. I almost felt their age again. > > I bought one more engine which is a #282, which is supposed to smoke > and "choo choo" (which i'm not sure yet what that is). > > I just purchased some track and a 2 transformers, which I hope I match > the two engines. One is a #1 1/2b and the other a #2. > > I have no cars, because I want the plastic ones I had in 1960. I > haven't seen these yet. I wish I could remeber the number set this was. > > I also remember a trestle set that made my tracks into an 8 > configuration. I barely remember they were cardboard and fit together > with slots. > > In the next few weeks I will ask basic questions about operating and > dates of some of these pieces. > > Please be patient because I'm starting at ground zero... > > Thanks, > David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36522	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

I just got down reading playing with trains :^) --- "David A. Highfield" <davidh@...> wrote: > > David > Welcome abroad! Like many others, my father brought > American Flyer into our > home beginning with a DC Northerner that still runs > and smokes with energy! > To reignite the passion, I suggest reading Playing > With Trains by Sam Posey. > He tells a great story of his journey with model > trains. And although he > ended up with HO (partly because of 2 rails!), his > addiction sound familiar: > moving a metal support post in the basement to make > room for his layout, not > taking any telephone calls while he was doing layout > work, etc. The subtitle > of the book is "passion beyond scale." Model > railroading in S scale is the > best. > Back to the basement, > Dave > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36523	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

Hi David and welcome, There's also a national organization, the National Association of S Gaugers. They're devoted to all of S Scale including AF, of course. Check it out at: nasg.org Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36524	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: Re: My first posting.....

***(((I bought one more engine which is a #282, which is supposed to smoke and "choo choo" (which i'm not sure yet what that is).)))*** Welcome David!! The 282 loco is a personal favorite of mine!! I still have the set that my 282 came in, it's from '53. My Dad bought the set for $10 used for me in '65 (or so). To me, the choo-choo is more of a chug-chug sound. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36525	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: CCSG

All, I received this post form Norman Maunz (CCSG, NASG). It gives us a bit of an update about our friends from New Orleans. ***Tom, I saw your message on the list just today. I have another e-mail address now in addition to the webtv address so I can access e-mail from anywhere on a computer. I'm still on the learning curve and not sure how to reply to the list, so you can relay this info for me to the list if you want so all will know I'm OK. I am in St. Louis, MO with my family and dogs staying with my cousin. I e-mailed all of our CCSG members on Friday. I heard only from Mickey living in Baton Rouge and he is doing fine. E-mail to Jay was undeliverable. I'm glad to hear Allen and Mike are OK, but I am surprised I haven't gotten a response from them. According to reports and satellite pictures it looks like all of our homes in Metairie are undamaged and not flooded. That is such a relief, but we still can't be absolutely sure everything is fine until we can actually get back there to see for ourselves. I put all of my train stuff up off the floor before I left so I'm confident the turntable module and staging yard are OK. Thanks for the communication. Let me know what your e-mail address is. It is hidden on the S- Trains list because I signed on with a different ID and I can't get to the members link. This hurricane came upon us so quickly (couldn't tell until Saturday that it was turning toward N.O.) we had hardly a day to tie things down and get out of town. Norman *** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36526	From: Bill Clark	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: WARNING(virus check bypassed): SHS Christmas Car posted on web site

The SHS 2005 Christmas Car has been posted on the Showcase Line web site: http://www.showcaseline.com/ It is a Green and Gold Maine Central Offset Hopper with a snow covered coal load. Really pretty, and available for order now, delivery expected in November. Three other roadnames of USRA and Composite hoppers have also been posted: C&O, PRR and Waddell Coal Mining Company. These cars are also available for ordering, with a special pre-order price if you order all 4 numbers of any roadname. They are also expected in November. Links to all cars are on the home page. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36527	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/5/2005
Subject: What a hobby!

It's amazing to me that after two and a half years of actively building and enhancing my layout, I can still find so many things to improve and issues to resolve! It's limited only by your imagination and the collective imagination of the people you exchange ideas with. The perfect hobby in the perfect scale. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36528	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: CCSG update

All, More news from Norm... ***I talked to Allen this morning by cell phone. He says he has two generators running his A/C. So at least he will not suffer from the heat. He gave me a phone # for Jay - he is in Arkansas. But I haven't called him. Jay's e-mail is on the server where he works and I am sure it is down. That's why you can't make a connect. Still haven't heard anything about Larry or Art or Lee. Norman *** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36529	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Bankruptcy in the train industry...a trend?

Gee, I hope I spelled that right! (My "spell check" isn't working.) I notice that the bankruptcy laws are going to change drastically in October, more to the favor of creditors disolving the company than allowing it to continue. We might see more bankruptcies in the model train industry in the next month, as there have been alot of changes in the toy and model train business in recent years. Not only has there been the infighting of the "Big Three" toy train manufacturers, but Horizon Hobbies is trying to corner the HO train market and put the hurt on Walthers. They're all fighting over their share of the steadily shrinking hobby dollar, of course.(Personally, I'd like to see the government do something about reigning in the drug and oil industries which really put a crimp in the economy to start with.) We might just see a brief trend of bankruptcy here among the financially weaker companies to "get in under the wire". But what, if any, long term effects will this have on S gauge? Stumpy Stone...looking into a foggy crystal ball in eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36530	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks

Dear Rhett: My question was about the MODEL. (Although the prototype photos were fun to look at.) When Ron did his GG1, he hinged the front section of the frame so it would go around American Flyer (and S-Helper) curves. I was wondering if Ron did something similar with the 8 wheel tender trucks and hinged it twice: 2-4-2. There are two dark area on the truck sides that could be the hinges. I have since seen a close-up of the truck. (Thank you Bob Ritchie of CSG.) The dark area are coil springs. It is a true 8 wheel truck. Mystery solved, case closed. Thanks to all that helped, Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Rhett T. George [mailto:rtg@...] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:53 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks - Thorin - You asked a fine qwuestion about the 8-wheel tender trucks. Somewhere I have seen them referred to as Commoonwealth (Steel) brand. In prototype, Baldwin put them under the AT & SF 4-8-4, Pennsy J-1 2-10-4 (really C & O), and ACL R-1 4-8-4. Each truck is a rigid frame unit with independently sprung journal boxes. Considering the (almost) rigid wheelbase of these locomotives, the tender truck wheelbase makes little difference. I say almost rigid because these locomotives probably had lateral motion devices on the front driver axles. Additionally, some of the ACL tenders were sold to N & W and were used behind the Y-4 2-8-8-2 locomotives when the R-1's were scrapped. Incidentally, the J-1 had 74" drivers so the wheelbase was very large. If you go to www.SteamLocomotive.com/builders/ and click on wheel arrange- ments, you can find pictures of these tenders (and locos) on the four railroads. The ACL site has a good line drawing of the R-1. River Raisin has good-looking models of this truck. Folks in that firm associate this truck with the J-1. The aswer is no, the truck is not a 2-4-2. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36531	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Green Paint for American Flyer Passenger Heavyweights

Have any of you used a green paint to match the American Flyer green heavyweight cars that you would recommend ? Or would you know what green paint was used on the Fall S Fest passenger cars that were produced during the late 1990's ? They were a close match. I purchased some enamel paint from Classic Model Trains in Hartford, CT. They have spray cans that are supposed to match many of the American Flyer and Lionel colors. I purchased #954 GREEN thinking it was the match. I sprayed one coat as a test today. Until I get a second coat on, I cannot be too definitive about the color but I can tell it will be more of an olive than a green. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36532	From: srgriggs	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > Dear Rhett: > My question was about the MODEL. (Although the prototype photos > were fun to look at.) When Ron did his GG1, he hinged the front section > of the frame so it would go around American Flyer (and S-Helper) curves. > I was wondering if Ron did something similar with the 8 wheel > tender trucks and hinged it twice: 2-4-2. There are two dark area on > the truck sides that could be the hinges. I have since seen a close-up > of the truck. (Thank you Bob Ritchie of CSG.) The dark area are coil > springs. It is a true 8 wheel truck. > > Mystery solved, case closed. > Thanks to all that helped, > Thorin > > I have not seen one of the new AM 4-8-4's in person, but I suspect those 8 wheel trucks employ a creative application of blind wheels or possibly increased lateral travel to allow them to negotiate tight radius turns. ALCo had a patented design called a lateral motion device which allowed its long wheelbase rigid steamers to bend around curves. As I understand, the design permitted the driver axles to translate laterally such that the contact points of the flanged wheels could form an arc and thus not bind in curves. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36533	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/6/2005
Subject: Re: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks

Has anyone asked Ron at American Models? > From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:49:05 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models 4-8-4 8 wheel tender trucks > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> > wrote: >> Dear Rhett: >> My question was about the MODEL. (Although the prototype > photos >> were fun to look at.)................ >> Mystery solved, case closed. >> Thanks to all that helped, >> Thorin >> >> > > > I have not seen one of the new AM 4-8-4's in person, but I suspect > those 8 wheel trucks employ a creative application of blind wheels or > possibly increased lateral travel to allow them to negotiate tight > radius turns...... > Scott > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36534	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: A scale truck

In my FPL electric bill I received a flyer for a flat bed 18 wheel truck. It is 1:64 scale has a lot of detail and three pole trailers as a load. $34.95 fromDG Productions Inc. PO Box 533388 Longwood FL. 32752 Phone 888-434-8697 www.toysbydg.com I thought some one may be interested. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36535	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: AF Bay Window Caboose

- GreetingS - Please, may I beg a bit of insight from this talented and all-knowing group. Is there a prototype for the AF Bay Window Caboose such as the 977 and 25052? That is, a prototype caboose with both bay windows and cupola? Thanks in advance for thinking about this and for any help you provide. cheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36536	From: John Foley	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: Free olde time ads

Hi Folks You may have seen this before, anyway Fine Scale Miniatures offers free olde time ads. http://www.craftsmankits.com/freestuff.htm John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36537	From: t.hawley	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: the AM 4-8-4

Here's what I got from American Models on the loco's wheels. I also asked what length turntable it requires, haven't got an answer to that yet. Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI > > > > All wheels are flanged on the tender HR and Scale (the inside ones move side to side to allow AF curves. The center [engine] drivers are blind on the HR models. The HR models will come with softer springs (in a baggie) so if one has 27" or larger radius track one can put those in (for the Drive wheels) for more weight on the center and front drivers. The HR center blind drivers cannot have weight on them as they will fall into the track and cause derailments so they come with stiff springs..... Ron B [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36538	From: Michael Martino	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: layouts

hello out there new to the site i am reliving my childhood pulled out all my flyer trains want to set em up after abt 47-years got 13 engines 12 pass cars about 60 frieght cars etc.etc i wanna set up a layout that is just not an oval or 12x8 i like a layout with long runs not a bunch of curves switching etc where can i find diagrams or plans i'll be asking a multitude of questions as i go along so be patient with an old man thanks in advance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36539	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/7/2005
Subject: AF storage

I've gone through the archives and found many articles on wrapping equipment for storage, but no mention of using t-shirts. Anyone ever try white cotton t-shirts to wrap engines and such? Or any comments, pro or con? I use brown paper lunch bags for cars without boxes. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36540	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: I was off on the year I got my first train!

***(((The 282 loco is a personal favorite of mine!! I still have the set that my 282 came in, it's from '53. My Dad bought the set for $10 used for me in '65 (or so).)))*** The year was '62, NOT '65 ! I was close,.....thank goodness for photos! http://s-scale.org/albums/albun39/1962_Flyer_xmas_pic_1c Rick "It's the first thing to go" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36541	From: Michael Martino	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: LAYOUTS

YOU GUY'S ARE GREAT LAST TIME I HAD SO MANY MESSAGES IS WHEN I HAD TKTS TO GIANTS PLAYOFF'S I AM GOING WITH S TRAX SEEMS TO BE THE BEST "FOR ME" IF I HAVE SOME TIME TODAY WIL VISIT ALL THE SITES YOU RECOMEND CAN'T WAIT TO 'SET EM UP" MY CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN WILL GET A KICK WATCHING POPPO BEING 11-12-13 AGAIN GEE WHERE IS MY STICKBALL BAT AND SPALDEEN AGAIN THX FOR THE HELP MIKE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36542	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2783

John Foley writes: > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:50:14 -0400 > Subject: Free olde time ads > > Hi Folks > > You may have seen this before, anyway > Fine Scale Miniatures offers free olde time ads. > http://www.craftsmankits.com/freestuff.htm > John John, Were these kits originally constructed by the late Hansel Mein? Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36543	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: FW: Question & help!

If anyone on the s-scale and s-trains lists can help Mr. Goodwin, please contact him at hgoodwin@.... Thank you. Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary -----Original Message----- From: Howard Goodwin [mailto:hgoodwin@...] Sent: Thu 9/8/2005 10:11 AM To: join@... Subject: Question & help! Question, I am trying to find a contact person in an effort to locate someone in the Atlanta area who is into S gauge. Our group is hosting a home layout tour program in November and am trying to find some S scale layout that would like to participate in our program. Any help you could be in pointing me in the right direction would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Howard Goodwin Director of Operations Piedmont Division, NMRA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36544	From: hgetrain	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Re: the AM 4-8-4

- Since the drivers are sprung, I assume this engine will use the more traditional approach of transferring power from the powered axle to the unpowered axles via the siderods. The Pacifics used gears to to this job. Am I correct in this assumption? Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "t.hawley" <t.hawley@c...> wrote: > Here's what I got from American Models on the loco's wheels. I also asked what length turntable it requires, haven't got an answer to that yet. Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI > > > > > > All wheels are flanged on the tender HR and Scale (the inside ones move side to side to allow AF curves. > > The center [engine] drivers are blind on the HR models. The HR models will come with softer springs (in a baggie) so if one has 27" or larger radius track one can put those in (for the Drive wheels) for more weight on the center and front drivers. > > The HR center blind drivers cannot have weight on them as they will fall into the track and cause derailments so they come with stiff springs..... Ron B > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36545	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Re: Rumors

--- Candy Sykes <cs1@...> wrote: > > Dear Mr Weidner: KCC# WEI015361 TYPE: 2005CCV EXP: > 01/31/06 > > K-Line is conducting business as usual. > > If you have any additional questions, please feel > free to contact us. > > Thank you, > K-LINE Electric Trains Customer Service > PO Box 2831, Chapel Hill NC 27515 > TEL: 919-929-8420 > TOLL-FREE FAX: 877-269-4113 > REPLY TO: info@... > WEB: www.k-linetrains.com > http://www.k-linetrains.com/saleterms.cfm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: weidner@... > [mailto:weidner@...] > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:37 PM > Subject: K-Line Website Message - General Questions > > > > Name: Bruce K. Weidner > Address: 3114 Hillgate Rd. > > City: Columbus > State/Zip: OH 43207 > Phone: 614 491 4755 > Fax: > Email: weidner@... > > There are rumors spreading around that anything > not already shiped will be held up indefinently due > to bankruptcy is this true or will I get my ordered > stuff as advertised? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36546	From: Benjamin Perry	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: WHITE MOUNTAIN CENTRAL RAILROAD DAYS

A GREAT TAKE IN FOR THOSE IN THE NEW ENGLAND AREA. Greetings All, here are some of the details for: RAILROAD DAYS WHITE MOUNTAIN CENTRAL RAILROAD CLARK'S TRADING POST ROUTE 3 LINCOLN, NEW HAMPSHIRE Date Sep 17 Sat & 18 Sun Gates Open 10A-5P Fares Age 6 & Up 12.00; Child 3-5 $3.00; Senior $11.00 Bear Shows: 12N-3PM Scheduled Trains: 1130-1230-130- 230- 330 (passenger Trains) www.clarkstradingpost.com It is expected that three locomotives, Heisler, Porter 0-4-0T, and 99 year old ex East Branch & Lincoln #5 Baldwin 2-4-2T, will be under steam and in service. In addition to the above scheduled trains, the White Mountain Central's original passenger train, logging and freight trains plus a Reo Speed Wagon rail bus will be operated along with ex US Army 62 year old General Electric 65 ton diesel locomotive. Photo opportunities and rides in an 107 year old former Boston & Maine RR caboose will take place. In addition ex East Branch & Lincoln shay locomotive will be on display along with WMC Climax undergoing reboilering. All fares include all railroad events and rides and the regular entertainment at Clark's Trading Post. Fun for the whole family. I expect to be the "Conductor" in the caboose, please make your self known. All events and motive power are subject to change. Do not forget to visit the nearby Hobo Railroad and visit the "Flying Yankee" on display. Ben Perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36547	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: AF trains for sale

My S-gauge Flyer list was emailed out two days ago. If you did not receive a copy and want one emailed to you, please contact me. Over 350 items are available.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36548	From: John Foley	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: Birds in S Scale

Hi Folks ML Designs has all types of birds useable in S scale http://servers.ca/~mlesser/ When you get to their website click on little critters. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36549	From: G Nichol	Date: 9/8/2005
Subject: AF trains for sale

Hi! I have listed some boxed Flyer and American Models sets and rolling stock online. Take a look if you'd like. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZgnicholQQhtZ-1 Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36550	From: beebear	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: K-LINE Web Site - K-Line release dates

Here is the release dates listing of K-Line stuff for this year. It seems kind of vague when they say Fall 05. It even tells what has been cancelled http://www.k-linetrains.com/stocklist.cfm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36551	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Something to chew on...

Y'all...I have to go to Celina, Ohio this weekend so I'll miss Chat Sunday night. In the mean time, here's something for y'all to debate that has been talked about locally by both the S gauge and O gauge folks locally: Back when A.C. Gilbert changed American Flyer from O scale three rail to S scale two rail should he have also gone to DC power? If he had, would American Flyer still be around today? On one side we have folks like Gary the hobby shop owner and myself who say YES. Gilbert would have followed the popularity of model trains such as happened with HO scale, would have avoided the complication of the reverse unit, yet would have been able to produce all the operating accessories with AC power to tap the Lionel market as well. Flyer trains were more realistic and closer to scale trains than Lionel, would have been an excellent crossover into model trains, so why retain AC power? On the other side are the O gauge three rail guys who say NO, it wouldn't have made any difference, Lionel was so much better of a product, so much bigger a company, and so much more popular that it would have overwhelmed American Flyer anyway. The three rails made wiring much easier to do accessories, automatic control of trains and reverse loops. There was already a market for O gauge trains established which Gilbert abandoned by going to S gauge. Besides, at the time Flyer and Lionel were in the Toy train market, and that was AC power in those days. Well, what do you think? Stumpy Stone...just like me to stir things up and then leave town...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36552	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF storage

I was about to ask about storage of cars and engines when they're not on my layout. I'm sure the original boxes are the best, but all my boxes are in already use. Lacking that, what's best? Acceptable? Not acceptable? Are plastic bags a no-no? I do cotton to the t-shirt idea. How about dress shirts that have gotten frayed about the collar and cuffs? Sleeves would fit nicely!!! Thanks. Bob Dick Kuepper <rkuepper@...> wrote: I've gone through the archives and found many articles on wrapping equipment for storage, but no mention of using t-shirts. Anyone ever try white cotton t-shirts to wrap engines and such? Or any comments, pro or con? I use brown paper lunch bags for cars without boxes. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36553	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: Something to chew on...

I think Gilbert would have had a much better chance by going to DC for "Train Power". Less complicated manufacturing, should have lowered final cost, making American Flyer more affordable than the competing Lionel. More reliable operation also, as the "Flyer" E-unit seems to be it's Achilles Heel. A Flyer stored for 10 yrs almost certainly will not run until the e-unit is serviced, a Lionel stored beside it will most likely grunt and then go. Jim "see you guys and gals at NTTM" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36554	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF storage

Somewhere I remember reading that plastic bubble wrap is not a good long-term storage solution, but don't know about other types of plastic. Wonder if the plastic wrap and hard plastic shells that some manufacturers use is OK? Maybe Don Thompson could give us an insight? Roy Inman > From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:56:32 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF storage > > I was about to ask about storage of cars and engines when they're not on my > layout. I'm sure the original boxes are the best, but all my boxes are in > already use. Lacking that, what's best? Acceptable? Not acceptable? > > Are plastic bags a no-no? I do cotton to the t-shirt idea. How about dress > shirts that have gotten frayed about the collar and cuffs? Sleeves would fit > nicely!!! > > Thanks. > > Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36555	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Re: Something to chew on...

A contrarian take -- Folks are forgetting that DC sources with sufficient current capability to run larger electric trains were comparatively expensive in the late 40s early 50s. A single controller No. 16 Rectiformer was $25 and the No. 15 rectifier was $13. The No. 16 required a diode vacuum tube that was rather pricey to replace. In comparison, a No. 12B with dual controls and 250 watts listed for $21.50 and a soingle controller AC transformer was about $10. These differences mattered when purchasing a kid's holiday toy -- multiply by ~12 to understand what the choice was then translated to now. HO made the transition from AC (prewar) to DC (postwar), but the power packs were became more affordable by the end of the 50s and the current requirements were lower. Flyer always was always more affordable than Lionel, particularly after discounts and for sets above the starter sets. Emphasizing Lionel, however, misses the fact that the market eventually shifted decidedly towards H0 for a number of reasons -- among them were scale fidelity, a huge variety, price, and space requirements, as well as DC and its easy control of direction. The availability of kits factored into the fun and some prices. Price was very important. A young fellow could mow a few lawns a buy an HO engine. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 9/9/2005 12:58:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: I think Gilbert would have had a much better chance by going to DC for "Train Power". Less complicated manufacturing, should have lowered final cost, making American Flyer more affordable than the competing Lionel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36556	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/9/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 11, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36557	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage

<<<Somewhere I remember reading that plastic bubble wrap is not a good long-term storage solution,>>> That is correct! Apparently the oils (?) that are in bubble-wrap plastic will react with the paint or plastic and permanently dimple the entire surface of the item. I have seen this happen with both painted and unpainted plastic surfaces. And, more importantly, it doesn't take long! I've seen it occur in as little as a week or so! DON'T use bubble wrap unless the item is wrapped in something else first! I've never encountered a problem with normal plastic bags, however. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36558	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: AC/DC & Chat Sun.

Hi all, As has been pointed out, back in the 50's, DC power with the capacity to run our BIG trains (in comparison to HO) was rather expensive, remember ACG did market DC trains for a short time. I'm sure the affinity for AC was more than just his first two initials! :) This Sunday is our 29th anniversary, and since I have to spent the largest part of the day judging at the Chico Concourse 'd Elegance, I figure I'd best take Linda out for a fancy fixin's dinner. Hope to "see" you all next Sunday! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36559	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: Union Pacfic Flyonel Passenger set new in the box will be put on e-

Hi I need to know what this passenger set is woth. I would like to put a reserve on it for selling on E-Bay. I am 2 weeks a way from having the time to do this. Thanks in advance. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36560	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: REPORT: TMCC and using AF bulbs

This tidbit will run in next weeks's Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers' newletter. I thought I would pass it along to this group: TMCC AND AMERICAN FLYER: At the March meeting Phil Kosin and Will Holt reported on the problem of using American Flyer cabooses with lights on TMCC where the voltage is constantly in the range of 18 volts. This resulted in the melting of the roof of a Lionel era bay window caboose equipped with the standard 14-volt lamp that was used by Gilbert and in Lionel production of American Flyer. After some testing and re-testing with lamps provided graciously by Doug Peck of Port Lines Hobby Supplies, it has been determined that 24-volt lamps can be used as replacements in both the Reading-type cupola cabooses and the bay window cabooses without any damage to the plastic on either style car. The cars were tested on a section of track fed with a complete Lionel TMCC system including the power supply. The cars were left with the lights on for more than 36 hours straight at couple of different times. Actually, the 24-volt lamps also produced a softer light with a slight yellow tint that looked more like light from a kerosene lamp. As of the 2005 release from Lionel, a new lighting system is in use that uses a lamp that looks a lot like a miniature Christmas tree lamp. This new lamp also did not cause any damage to the plastic when tested under the same conditions. Passenger cars, because of the larger interior space, did not show any ill effects from the 18-volt operation. However if you choose to use TMCC extensively, you may wish to change to 24-volt lamps on passenger cars as well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36561	From: Phil K	Date: 9/10/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage

Doug is right. Bubble wrap is a low-density polyethelene (LDPE) that is output directly to huge rolls. The inside layers of these rolls are "airtight" until unrolled during packing usage. I have a friend who works in the conservation department at a museum who confirms that Bubble Wrap taken off a new roll tends to "gas-out." He said benzene or chlorobenzene is often used in the manufacturing process. The museum tries to avoid using it to store certain artifacts that might have a negative reaction to those gasses. Those exiting compounds (gasses -- polyethelene IS a petroleum product, after all) are what leave the undersirable "dots" on some painted or plastic American Flyer cars. My experience shows older Bubble Wrap that has been exposed to the air for a long period of time does not usually leave dimples, certainly not as bad as when brand new Bubble Wrap is used right off the roll. But follow Doug's advice to wrap cars first in a soft, lint-free paper towel. Do this especially when you are storing in the orginal box -- if you don't use a paper towel, you run the risk of getting box rubs. Your painted AF pieces can be similarly damaged with rubs during transportation when wrapped only in Kraft paper (brown paper bags). Here is what my friend sent me regarding this question: "For collections, never use plastics with fillers, plasticizers or other additives. These can release harmful degradation products over time. Also, avoid plastics that have chlorine or sulfur containing compounds. Such plastics can off-gas volatile acids and harm collections. DO NOT use any of the following plastics for long-term storage or exhibit purposes: •PVC (polyvinyl chloride)•PVDC (polyvinylidene)• PVA (polyvinyl acetate), found in adhesives and paints •acidic polyesters •polyurethane foams •chloroprene (e.g. Neoprene®)•urea formaldehyde panels (such as Gator Foam®) Instead, use safer plastic alternatives such as: •polyethylene (PE)•polypropylene (PP) •polystyrene •acrylic •inert polyester films and sheeting. BUBBLE WRAP: Avoid direct contact with objects that have a sensitive surface. Some brands of this type of material may contain additives and emit harmful by-products. DO NOT USE IN LONG-TERM STORAGE." There ya go. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@p...> wrote: > <<<Somewhere I remember reading that plastic bubble wrap is not a good > long-term storage solution,>>> > > That is correct! > Apparently the oils (?) that are in bubble-wrap plastic will react with the paint or plastic and permanently dimple the entire surface of the item. I have seen this happen with both painted and unpainted plastic surfaces. And, more importantly, it doesn't take long! I've seen it occur in as little as a week or so! > DON'T use bubble wrap unless the item is wrapped in something else first! > I've never encountered a problem with normal plastic bags, however. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> > E-mail: doug@p... <mailto:doug@p...> > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36562	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Re: Train storage

In a message dated 9/10/05 6:11:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:02:25 -0500 From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: AF storage Somewhere I remember reading that plastic bubble wrap is not a good long-term storage solution, but don't know about other types of plastic. Wonder if the plastic wrap and hard plastic shells that some manufacturers use is OK? Maybe Don Thompson could give us an insight? Roy Inman You may have read it from me. I had a bad experience with bubble wrap. I packed some Flyer cars made in the early 1950s in bubble wrap for a move in 1992. The paint was certainly cured by then! I unwrapped them two years later and they were covered with spots where the paint had discolored wherever there was a bubble. They are still that way. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36563	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage

Thanks Phil, for the excellent information! I should have realized the situation from the many years in my checkered photography career. In the olden days, we used to store negatives and slides in all manner of stuff that caused deterioration. One such thing was plain old #10 mailing envelopes. The glue used to hold the envelopes together would release some sort of gas (?) and sure enough, the negative or slide would show deterioration. Same for the older plastic sleeves. Must have had some of the bad gasses that Phil mentioned. I hate it when plastic passes gas. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 04:55:27 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Storage > > Instead, use safer plastic alternatives such as: •polyethylene > (PE)•polypropylene (PP) •polystyrene •acrylic •inert polyester films > and sheeting. > > BUBBLE WRAP: Avoid direct contact with objects that have a sensitive > surface. Some brands of this type of material may contain additives > and emit harmful by-products. DO NOT USE IN LONG-TERM STORAGE." > > There ya go. > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36564	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: A New Catalog Posted at MyFlyerTrains.org

Hello All! I am continuing to post scans of some very rare Gilbert catalogs that are part of Bob Conner's collection. The latest offering, is #D1579, a 1950 Toys catalog that has some unusual things like the Atomic Energy lab. Until Bob offered me this catalog for scanning, I had not even seen one, so you may want to take a look at it. Go to http://www.myflyertrains.org and click on Gilbert catalogs (at the top) and then click on catalog D1579 Enjoy, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36565	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: New Firehouse Advertisement

Hi Gang, We finally have some sneak-peek photos of our new firehouse kit on the web site. The front doors, back walls and roof are yet to be added. Here is a link to the page. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/600firehouse.htm Please excuse the cross postings. We have been working frantically on this one, so we will take the rest of the day off. Happy Railroading in S-scale, Keith Blanchard, and the Pine Canyon Team..Sheila, Kathy and Kriss

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36566	From: Mac	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2783

I just wanted to add that I've wrapped locos and cars in tissue paper, then actually stored the trains in clear, plastic boxes (shoe box size) with a tight fitting lid. No visible damage to report and they've been there awhile. Mac Message: 6 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:43:31 -0400 From: "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> Subject: AF storage I've gone through the archives and found many articles on wrapping equipment for storage, but no mention of using t-shirts. Anyone ever try white cotton t-shirts to wrap engines and such? Or any comments, pro or con? I use brown paper lunch bags for cars without boxes. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36567	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Fw: Katrina/CCSG

Good news from Allen Evans... ----- Original Message ----- From: allen.evans@... To: Thomas Stoltz Cc: Larry Janeski ; Jay Mellon ; m bushnell ; Michael Bushnell (E-mail) Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Katrina Tom - Looks like we are finally all accounted for and doing OK. Most of us have been relocated. I am in Memphis, Norman in St. Louis, Jay in Arkasas, Lee in Florida and Michael in Pensacola. I think Larry is still at home, but he is dry. I am sure some modules did not fair well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36568	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 11, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36569	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: the original "Marx Show & Tell" meeting

Marx Show & Tell Meeting 7:00 pm Thursday October 13th, 2005 Liberty Fire Company 160 East 8th Avenue York, PA. Bring an Old Train Accessory or Toy. Bring an Ol' Friend Relax and Enjoy! York, TCA & You Very best, Mike Spanier TCA 85-21856 PS If directions are needed email: Marxshowntell@... PPS Minutes away from the York Fairgrounds [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36570	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2005
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher

The Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher: From 1958 too 1960 the A. C. Gilbert built an entry-level steam engine in the form of a 0-6-0 Dockside (a.k.a. “Docksider”) switcher. There are three Gilbert era versions, the Nos. 21155, 21156, and 21158; and they are very simple engines with a one piece plastic boiler/cab. The No. 21155 from 1958 was/is the most elaborate with smoke, choo-choo, and a 2-position reverse. There is no lighting. Although meant to be cheap toys, they are a reasonable representation within the toy train idiom of dockside switchers similar to some units operated by the B&O. With the passage of decades, these simple engines (being the cute lil’ critters they are) became desired by collectors and operators. The smoking 21155 has been hitting values of about $550 and the 21158 about $150. This was noticed by Todd Wagner, then of Lionel, and he hatched the idea in the spring of 2003 to bring back the 21155 smoking Dockside switcher at a reasonable price for operators. This is doable because most all of the old tooling still exists. What Lionel has produced is a good reissue of the 21155 done with either B&O or A.T.S.F. markings. The engine is all black-painted with the black side wall wheels and plated drive rods of the 21158. Features include directional lighting, smoke, and 3-position electronic forward, neutral, and reverse. The smoke unit is a new design that is more easily repaired and (supposedly) more robust than the original one, which was adapted from the Gilbert HO smoke unit. Frosted windows now hide the inner workings in the cab. One big improvement is that small sprung rollers replace the original thin sliders that were easily broken on the originals. My sample, a 6-48039 B&O, has “B&O" " in gold letters under the cab windows and a gold-on-black B&O Capitol emblem on the smoke box front. After checking and lubing my sample, it was tested on a traditional Gilbert layout powered with 30B and 16B transformers. I also have an original 21155 on hand in E+ condition to use a basis of comparison. The engine starts up in “ neutral” during which both lights are off, then, it proceeds with power interruption to “forward” with the illumination of the head light (blue LED). There is a second LED light over the rear of the cab that is lit in “reverse.” The new can motor is decidedly smoother and quieter than the old version’s open frame motor and the electronic directional control is dependable. It is geared reasonably low so one can operate at relatively moderate speeds. As with the original, the “choo-choo” is very faint. To hear it one needs a quiet layout, to be running at an intermediate speed, and to have the Dockside as the sole locomotive running within earshot. The new engine is better finished than the vintage sample. Direction can be locked and the smoke can be turned on and off. The loco will pull or push at least 10 Gilbert era pieces of rolling stock with no problems. Two areas where the new version falls short of the old are: smoke production and the knuckle couplers. My vintage 21155 produced more smoke and more quickly. The new version has smoke production that is on the wispy side for a Flyer steamer. Lionel recommends 4 to 8 drops of fluid and I would concur – one does not want to flood the smoke chamber. I have obtained reasonable results using a low vapor pressure fluid such as LGB’s. All S gauge manufacturers continue to struggle with producing a really good “Gilbert compatible” knuckle coupler, and Lionel continues in its version of the quixotic quest. Actually, if the latest iteration of their coupler opened more, it would be just fine. A slavish copy of Gilbert’s original would be perfect, and if it bothers you, swap in two originals and the problem will be solved. At about $85 ($99.95 m.s.r.p.), you can’t go too far wrong with one of these. Even the most humble of the Docksides, the 21158, is fetching about $150 and neither the 21156 nor the 21158 have smoke units. The new Dockside fulfills its intended role well. Affordable fun with an old friend. As part of the testing session with the new Dockside, I also played with a new 6-49024 PRR coal dump car. This is a reissue of the Gilbert No. 919 with beefed up pins, pin retainers, and tilt gear for the hopper. The contact for the accessory rail is now placed on the correct side of the power truck for operating AF rolling stock, and my sample functioned very well. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36571	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage

Well, I was wondering when it would be a good time to follow up on my bubblewrap report from some time ago. Guess now is the time... This is my personal experience, mind you. I can make no guarantees. I have stored most of the pieces we have in bubble wrap at various times, for various lengths of time, in many cases for periods exceeding 10 years. Some pieces are unpainted plastic, others are painted plastic. The paint includes original Gilbert paint, new enamel, new laquer, quasi-lacquer (clear coat). Also stored are items of enameled sheet metal, painted diecast metal, lithographed sheet metal, and painted wood. All have been stored in "small bubble" bubble wrap at one time or another, most are still wrapped in it as I type. While wrapped, these items have been exposed to temps exceeding 120 degrees F.(That happens in SoCal.) Again, many have undergone the typical annual California temperature cycle for over 10 years. I unwrapped and inspected each piece as I was rearranging our storage room during this past summer. The result: There has been NO damage to ANY piece. NONE. No trace of bubble prints, no scarring, no marks or adverse effects of any kind. In times past, I have acquired collectible pieces (usually Gilbert) that had been stored in paper. Often I have seen scuffs of paint on the paper, paint that obviously came from the piece that was to be protected by said paper. Most of the paint wear on my childhood set came from the cars rubbing against the inside of the boxes. Given these experiences, I don't wrap any of my trains in paper, nor do I store Gilbert AF in their original boxes. I do store newly made equipment in their boxes if the boxes aren't hard on the model, but many of our newly made pieces have been wrapped in bubble wrap at various times. Some of the bw was a few months old when first used, some was fresh. No damage either way. What else can I say? I intend to continue storing our trains in bubble wrap. It is MUCH less abrasive than paper. All things considered, I've found it to be much easier on finishes, new or old. Such is my experience. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36572	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage

Hi Chuck -- Just curious. What kind of paper are you referring to here? Newsprint? Tissue paper? Paper towels? Each of these has different abrasive qualities. I use very very soft lint free paper towels and have never seen a paint transfer or any rubs. My guess is that box or paper rubs result from "motion" -- when boxes are moved (taking to shows in the car) or shipped and not if stored on a shelf. I have long-term stored painted pieces in "older" Bubble Wrap with the same no-effect result you talk about. But I do have a set of three LN painted New Haven style cars that -- unfortunately -- the seller wrapped in Bubble Wrap with the bigger bubbles and all three show the telltale dimples in the paint. Have so far been afraid to try to remove those dimples, if it is possible at all. Anyone have any luck with this? Phil K ********************************************************************** > In times past, I have acquired collectible pieces (usually Gilbert) > that had been stored in paper. Often I have seen scuffs of paint on > the paper, paint that obviously came from the piece that was to be > protected by said paper. Most of the paint wear on my childhood set > came from the cars rubbing against the inside of the boxes. Given > these experiences, I don't wrap any of my trains in paper, nor do I > store Gilbert AF in their original boxes. I do store newly made > equipment in their boxes if the boxes aren't hard on the model, but > many of our newly made pieces have been wrapped in bubble wrap at > various times. Some of the bw was a few months old when first used, > some was fresh. No damage either way.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36573	From: Phil K	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Chicagoland S Gauger meeting Friday night

S gaugers -- all levels of experience and interest -- are invited to attend the September meeting of the Chicagoland Assn. of S Gaugers this Friday evening, Sept. 16 (7 pm gabfest/swap meet, 8 pm meeting) at St. Paul's Lutheran School, 1100 West Lake Street in Melrose Park, Ill. New members are enthusiastically welcomed. Club is in 36th year and has approximately 60 members. We have folks who are into Gilbert Flyer as well as scalers and narrow gaugers, so there's something for everyone. Our club also is proud to have as members two of the nation's foremost authorites on A.C. Gilbert production, L. Andrew Jugle and Dave Garrigues. Also a member is Bruce Lorence, whose American Flyer high rail tinplate layout was featured in the first TM video and as a result skyrocketed him to celebrity status in S circles. Our club will also host the 2006 Fall S-Fest. Great bunch of friendly, helpful S people. CASG website: http://www.trainweb.org/casg/ Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36574	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > The Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher: From 1958 too 1960 the A. C. Gilbert built an entry-level steam engine in the form of a 0-6-0 Dockside... Many thanks for the instructive review. For a locomotive built in such few prototype numbers, the B&O Dockside certainly has captured the interest of model railroad manufacturers over the years. I recall model RR magazines from the 1950s when there seemed to be a Varney HO Dockside on virtually every layout photographed. And it has been manufactured or imported as brass in virtually every scale including, I believe, TT. The Dockside falls into the "cute" category and the "Flyonel" entry is S is certainly a welcome addition. It would look great doing yard switching or working team tracks. If anyone does a dock side scene typical of the Baltimore prototype with wharves and warehouses and uses the new Lionel American Flyer 0-6-0 for it, I'm sure we'd all be interested in seeing photos of the result. Has the Dockside been incorporated into a Lionel A.F. trainset yet? It could be a big draw for expanding the S scale hobby. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36575	From: Fred Alles	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Any Train Stores around King Of Prussia or Philadelphia with Americ

Will be in the Philadelphia area this weekend and staying in the King of Prussia area. Any train stores around that carry the original American Flyer in S or HO gauge?? If so, please let me know. Not real familiar with the area but with a good map - I can get to it. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36576	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher

Ed, Thanks for your thanks! Yes, the Varney No. 2456 HO version is a true classic (kit or RTR). The Varney "Lil' Joe" is an 0-4-0, however, as was almost every other HO dockside switcher that I can recall. The new AF Dockside is not part of any current set, but it would be a great nucleus for an S starter set. Afterall, this is exactly what Gilbert did with the three versions. Lionel needs to throw in a loop of track and a small transformer, too. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 9/12/2005 5:13:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, edhavens@... writes: --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > The Lionel American Flyer Dockside Switcher: From 1958 to 1960 the A. C. Gilbert built an entry-level steam engine in the form of a 0-6-0 Dockside... Many thanks for the instructive review. For a locomotive built in such few prototype numbers, the B&O Dockside certainly has captured the interest of model railroad manufacturers over the years. I recall model RR magazines from the 1950s when there seemed to be a Varney HO Dockside on virtually every layout photographed. And it has been manufactured or imported as brass in virtually every scale including, I believe, TT. The Dockside falls into the "cute" category and the "Flyonel" entry is S is certainly a welcome addition. It would look great doing yard switching or working team tracks. If anyone does a dock side scene typical of the Baltimore prototype with wharves and warehouses and uses the new Lionel American Flyer 0-6-0 for it, I'm sure we'd all be interested in seeing photos of the result. Has the Dockside been incorporated into a Lionel A.F. trainset yet? It could be a big draw for expanding the S scale hobby. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36577	From: DougK	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Any Train Stores around King Of Prussia or Philadelphia with Am

Nicolas Smith Trains in Broomall, PA is about 30 minutes away, on Route 3, just 5 minutes off the rt. 3 exit of route 476. Coventry Trains behind the Coventry Mall (next to Ice Cream store) in Pottstown, PA...about an hour away from Kof P, off of route 422. Coventry is where I have bought several of mine. Al repairs AF. He mainly carries O gauge. I'll email again if I can remember the others. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Alles" <falles@...> To: "S-Trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Any Train Stores around King Of Prussia or Philadelphia with American Flyer? > Will be in the Philadelphia area this weekend and staying in the King of > Prussia area. Any train stores around that carry the original American > Flyer in S or HO gauge?? If so, please let me know. Not real familiar > with > the area but with a good map - I can get to it. > > Thanks > > Fred > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36578	From: knockbill	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: Train shops in Phila.....

There is also the Gilbertsville Train Meet on Sunday AM, at the fire house, on Rt 73 east of Rt 100 in Gilbertsville.... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36579	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: Re: AF Gilbert Meet

Please advise the actually location and street address for this important meet at York! Thank you Jerry Matsick O to S and enjoying it!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36580	From: trainspeak	Date: 9/12/2005
Subject: FLYER HO SCALE 5318 HUDSON FREIGHT SET

Hi all! Can anyone give me some info on a set I just picked up? It's an HO set led by a 5318 NYC Hudson. It has a tank car, boxcar, hopper and caboose. The setbox is there; however 3 of the 4 sides of the top are gone. Maybe the following number will help identify the set further: HO-100. I have added a photo to the Album section under HO Flyer for your review. Any info is appreciated - year made, value, etc. Thanks! Greg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36581	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Bob's Docksider review, Couplers!

Hi all, As Bob noted, "All S gauge manufacturers continue to struggle with producing a really good "Gilbert compatible" knuckle coupler, and Lionel continues in its version of the quixotic quest. Actually, if the latest iteration of their coupler opened more, it would be just fine. A slavish copy of Gilbert´s original would be perfect, . . ." AMEN!! What is with all this "fiddling" with what was/is a perfectly good design? And why can't the designers keep to the original dimensions? Egads, ACG had some really good design engineers work hard to develop them, and, judging by the fact that many of them still work fine some 50 years later, they can't be all that bad. Can't wait for my Locos to arrive now. Hmm, early Christmas!!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36582	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Docksiders, Sets, and NASG

<<<Has the Docksider been incorporated into a Lionel A.F. trainset yet? It could be a big draw for expanding the S scale hobby.>>> True.....as soon as Lionel decides to turn out S track again as well! Hopefully, those of you who are NASG members have acquired the 2004 and 2005 General Electric cars we have produced for members only. (The 2005 cars will ship later this month.) Assuming the Docksider operates well, I'm planning that to be the final item in the NASG GE "set". We will be doing, probably, three more cars in 2006, 2007, and 2008, with the GE engine in the final year. If you're not an NASG member and are interested in the set, I suggest you join soon. The 2004 cars are already sold out, but are available on the secondary market already. The 2005 cars (the first-ever AF depressed-center DOUBLE-Searchlight car) are not yet sold out, but getting there. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also often available, "by chance", for telephone orders: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36583	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Docksider?

Does anyone know when the Lionel/American Flyer "Docksider" will show up in the hobby shops? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36584	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider?

The Docksides are showing up. My sample was purchased at Wild Bill's Trains in Detroit last Saturday. Because I live in Michigan, I tend to see the new stuff earlier than most because of my proximity to Chesterfield. The store is just 8 miles from Lionel. The UP Mikados have shipped, too. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 9/13/2005 9:01:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ruth.leahy@... writes: Does anyone know when the Lionel/American Flyer "Docksider" will show up in the hobby shops? Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36585	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: FLYER HO SCALE 5318 HUDSON FREIGHT SET

SET 100..... 1938..... 200 NYC HUDSON (5318), 201 PFE REFER,203 TEXACO, 205 LNE GON, 207 NYC CAB....15 210 CURVED, 210T CURVED TERMINAL....... VALUE ABOUT 230 -340...... HAVE GOTTEN THEM FOR WELL UNDER 200 IN THE BOX....... BOB CONNER ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainspeak" <trainspeak@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] FLYER HO SCALE 5318 HUDSON FREIGHT SET > Hi all! > > Can anyone give me some info on a set I just picked up? It's an HO > set > led by a 5318 NYC Hudson. It has a tank car, boxcar, hopper and > caboose. The setbox is there; however 3 of the 4 sides of the top > are > gone. Maybe the following number will help identify the set further: > > HO-100. > > I have added a photo to the Album section under HO Flyer for your > review. > > Any info is appreciated - year made, value, etc. > > Thanks! > > Greg > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36586	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: York Hotel question

Anyone staying at the Budget Host Inn at 124 and I-83. Just hoping perhaps some S gaugers are lodging there. Also once again can someone spell out where and when the Gilbert AF meet will be? Barb sent an email but no directions? Thanks Jerry Matsick O to S Gauge and lovin it!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36587	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/13/2005
Subject: Re: York Hotel question

Jerry..... same time....same place...... same night..... bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <mtoytrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: York Hotel question > Anyone staying at the Budget Host Inn at 124 and I-83. Just hoping > perhaps some S gaugers are lodging there. Also once again can > someone spell out where and when the Gilbert AF meet will be? > Barb sent an email but no directions? > > Thanks > Jerry Matsick > O to S Gauge and lovin it! > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36588	From: David Girson	Date: 9/14/2005
Subject: AF airchime whistle 38008MW

Hi, I hooked my whistle up but didn't realize the sound is supposed to be heard through the train. Where does the sound come from in the train? Does a 282 and a 21160 make the sound??? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36589	From: race944t	Date: 9/14/2005
Subject: Sory I can' make it

To all, I'm sorry I won't be able to make York this year. I will miss the Gilbert Get Together and the fun we have. I've been working all year on opening a new bank and we are about there but I just can't leave right now. I hope you all find the bargins of a lifetime and enjoy yourselves. I sure do hate to give up my table in Blue. It was right next to a door and had electricity. I'm guessing I won't get it back in April. I was going to bring a mint un-numbered bay window caboose to see if anyone had some insite. Also wanted to bring a repro cannon and original cannon and see who could tell the difference. Both fire, both say made in Japan, both even have the same spring tension on the firing mech. Oh well, maybe in April. Have a great guys (and Barb). Banker Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36590	From: charlie and edith	Date: 9/14/2005
Subject: Questions

Greetings! Thinking of taking the pikemaster, yellow shell tank car and replacing the trucks with link coupler trucks. Is this conversion possible? Back to work on the 290, faster in reverse, and discovered that the armature has narrow gaps between the poles -Pull Mor style? The production date for this engine would seem to indicate an armature with wider spacing between the poles -like the 322. Which of these is the correct application? Does it make a difference in operation .... slower in reverse? Thanks for your thoughts! Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36591	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: AF airchime whistle 38008MW

Certain locos have a gizmo in the tender that makes the noise. For sure the 282 does not! Can't say about the 21160. Rick. Hi, I hooked my whistle up but didn't realize the sound is supposed to be heard through the train. Where does the sound come from in the train? Does a 282 and a 21160 make the sound??? Thanks S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36592	From: Phil K	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: AF airchime whistle 38008MW

Certain more-expensive Gilbert American Flyer steam locomotives had either a mechanical whistle (i.e. 314AW) or an Air Chime "whistle" (sound emitted from a speaker) in the tender. You can check your locomotive number here and find out which steamers came so equipped: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/locospecs.html To activate the whistle or Air Chime in locos so equipped, you need the proper controller installed between the transformer and track hookup. Some looked like a round cardboard tube sticking up out of a base with a button. Another looked similar but had a slider instead of a button. Depends on which "whistle" is in the tender. Some sets advertised a whistle in the locomotive (K335 Northern, I think for one) but due to materials shortages during the Korean War, a stand-alone whistle in a billboard was included instead with the set. And A.C. Gilbert made a variety of those billboards with different pictures and whistles in the base, which didn't require the "tube" controller, but a simple push button wired properly off the transformer. Hope this helps, Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Girson" <tobeetwo@y...> wrote: > Hi, > I hooked my whistle up but didn't realize the sound is supposed to be > heard through the train. Where does the sound come from in the train? > Does a 282 and a 21160 make the sound??? > Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36593	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: track

Doug Peck wrote: True.....as soon as Lionel decides to turn out S track again as well! This surprises me, because of the many fine systems of S trackage we have at the present. At the NASG convention, I saw the new code 172 track from Classic Trains (or are they Am S Track?). This track is designed to mate with original AF and I would have thought it would have filled the void for the Tinplate guys. Besides, there is so much original Flyer track out there at give-a-way prices. Of course, Hi-rail has AM & SHS trackage, which IMHO, can't be beat. Is the appeal because it would be offered in a set? Or perhaps, price? Just curious, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36594	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2790

Subject: AF airchime whistle 38008MW Hi, I hooked my whistle up but didn't realize the sound is supposed to be heard through the train. Where does the sound come from in the train? Does a 282 and a 21160 make the sound??? Thanks According to Gibert's numbering system, any locomotrive that 's number ends with 6 ( 326, 336, 296, etc. ) should have a whistle. I beleve that there are a number of exceptions. A whistle can be added to the tender with a small speaker a resistor and a capacitors. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36595	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track

Well, Tom, if a company is going to offer a complete set, to my way of thinking it would also include track. If I am buying an S set for a grandbaby, for instance, I want the thing to be RTR. I don't want to have to look around for some good Flyer track, which may or may not be clean or straight or have electrical continuity. And just on general principles, it seems strange to me that Lionel doesn't make track for their trains to run on. From the outside, it would appear to me that Lionel has still not fully committed to AF, even though they have produced quite a lot of stuff in S. And while we are on the subject, the AF line should have it's own transformer, and properly-sized IR detector for accessories...well, don't get me started. Roy Inman > From: Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:33:15 -0400 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] track > > Doug Peck wrote: > > True.....as soon as Lionel decides to turn out S track again as well! > > This surprises me, because of the many fine systems of S trackage we have at > the present. At the NASG convention, I saw the new code 172 track from > Classic Trains (or are they Am S Track?). This track is designed to mate with > original AF and I would have thought it would have filled the void for the > Tinplate guys. Besides, there is so much original Flyer track out there at > give-a-way prices. Of course, Hi-rail has AM & SHS trackage, which IMHO, > can't be beat. > > Is the appeal because it would be offered in a set? Or perhaps, price? > > Just curious, > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36596	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track

Roy Inman makes an excellent point about trainsets. To reach a general market and encourage entry into S gauge, a set needs to be complete with locomotive, cars, track and power pack. After collecting a few American Flyer items from eBay sellers including my all-time favorite locomotive, the C&NW 4-6-2 (a really nice version of the U.S.R.A. 4-6-2 with its clean lines and well proportioned boiler), I faced a decision about setting up an around-the-artificial Xmas tree loop: buy original A.F. track of uncertain electrical continuity or condition (hard to tell from photographs) or buy Showcase Line track. The SHS track with molded roadbed not only looks good but is operationally flawless. If "Flyonel" would take the plunge toward the mass market instead of just catering to collectors and operators expanding the rolling stock and locomotives of their A.F. layouts, a complete set would be needed for mom and dad to invest the money to give "junior" his first S gauge train set. A.C. Gilbert understood that and, in relative terms, their top of the line trainsets were at least expensive in 1940s and 1950s dollars as today's (if available) would be, considering inflation. Likewise, a starter trainset should not be out of the reach of most people. To encourage today's kids to become tomorrow's model railroaders and collectors in S will take a starter set. It sure would be nice to see an S gauge set in "Megalo-Mart" next to Barbis and Tonka trucks. Where merchandising has fallen down is in display layouts. Do you remember the elaborate department store displays of half a century ago? Nothing sold model train products quite so well to John & Mary Q. Public as a display with chugging trains and operating accessories. A.F. two-rail, side by side with Lionel O gauge three-rail, made the point about realism achievable with 3/16". Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36597	From: Phil K	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track

Tom -- I think Doug was being facetious when he made the comment about "as soon as Lionel decides to turn out S track again as well!" If I was Lionel -- which I'm not -- I wouldn't even consider making S track, even in an effort to offer a RTR set. Mainly because it would increase the OTC cost, and partially because we have many more track options available in S. Stores selling these RTR sets could also offer several choices of track and transformers to complete the set. On the other hand, Lionel did package Fastrack and a transformer with its wildly-successful Polar Express set. Like you state, there are so many different S trackage offerings right now that are far superior to the antique/vintage original Flyer style. By not including track or a transformer, the buyer can choose his/her own direction -- quasi-realistic (American Models, S- Helper Service) or pure tinplate, which a close facsimile is also being manufactured today. I'm thrilled we have so many such options today in S. No matter what, those who choose to run Lionel will always be saddled with that ludicrous third rail, which to me is so unrealistic and the reason my first train set was American Flyer. Coloring the middle rail black in an effort to "hide" it, to me, makes it look even worse. Beyond the number of rails necessary for operation, S gauge allows much more opportunity for scale realism than Lionel because of its size. A lot of my childhood friends had 3-rail and teased me about my having Flyer, but to me their stuff (relatively speaking) had too much of a "toy" look when compared to the closer-to-prototype size of what I was running. One exception: in the twilight of Flyer production, when they made those really cheapo-looking F9s -- which to me looked a lot like Lionel's chopped-length proportions. I still feel that way every time I see a Lionel layout pictured in Classic Toy Trains. Makes me glad I got started with Flyer. Phil K **************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@g...> wrote: > Doug Peck wrote: > > True.....as soon as Lionel decides to turn out S track again as well! > > This surprises me, because of the many fine systems of S trackage we have at the present. At the NASG convention, I saw the new code 172 track from Classic Trains (or are they Am S Track?). This track is designed to mate with original AF and I would have thought it would have filled the void for the Tinplate guys. Besides, there is so much original Flyer track out there at give-a-way prices. Of course, Hi-rail has AM & SHS trackage, which IMHO, can't be beat. > > Is the appeal because it would be offered in a set? Or perhaps, price? > > Just curious, > > Tom Stoltz > > Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork > Maine S Gaugers > NASG > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36598	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Re: track

I assumed we were talking about a RTR set, perhaps one sold in Toys 'R Us, etc., in addition to hobby shops. In the case of the non-hobby shops, I doubt that they would handle S track separately. And besides, the average consumer, IMHO, wants to plug and play, not search for the accessories to complete what he hopes is a "set." > From: Phil K <waldootten@...> > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:08:27 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: track > > On the other hand, Lionel did package Fastrack and a transformer > with its wildly-successful Polar Express set.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36599	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: re;track

Lionel probably doesn't want to get into the S gauge starter set business. They are making plenty of money from collectors and S operators without the hassles of set production. Besides, why relive the past and compete with American Flyer again? Even if you are competing with yourself! As far as today's kids getting into toy or model trains, don't count on it. Very few will. I work at a school...today's kids are not the same kind of kids we were. Nope, just be happy they're making S at all. Stumpy Stone...just home from another fun day at school...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36600	From: Phil K	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Replacing Mikado Seuthe Smoke Units

I found out the hard way (as usual) that when the AF Mikado instructions say "don't run the smoke unit dry" -- they mean it. I had one running on our club layout at a train show and walked away to talk to someone right after filling it. I was gone maybe 10 minutes and there was no more copious smoke when I returned. So I ordered the replacement parts from Lionel and after summoning my courage, attacked the project. There are no instructions from Lionel for doing this transplant, so I had to figure it out myself. And as Carl Tuveson has pointed out, there's a lot of stuff packed into the locomotive's tight quarters, so you have to be careful. Pretend you're a surgeon and take your time. I have pictures and directions in the album "Replacing AF Mikado Seuthe Smoke Units For Dummies" in "Phil K's Trains" and you can get there by clicking: http://tinyurl.com/64nvp and then "Phil K's Trains." Good luck! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36601	From: hobo47203	Date: 9/15/2005
Subject: Indianapolis S Show - Shamless Plug

I would like to invite one and all to the 2nd Annual Indianapolis S Show on Saturday, November 5th. The Show is hosted by the small but mighty group called the Hoosier S Gaugers. The Show will be at the same location as last year's event, the Carmel Lions Clubhouse at 141 East Main Street Carmel, Indiana. Carmel is located on the Northside of Indianapolis. The show is from 10 a.m. until 3 p.m. and will feature 2 clinics, dealer tables, popular vote contest, door prizes, a raffle for an SW-1 locomotive from S Helper Service, and the Hoosier S Gaugers S scale layout. Admission is just $5.00 per person and food service will be available. Sorry, dealer space is sold out for the show. We had a great time last year and look forward to even more fun this year! For more information or to register for the show please contact Charles Malinowski at (317) 566-1748 or by e-mail at bmry1905@... Thanks for your time. Bob Morrison Hoosier s Gaugers Columbu"S", Indiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36602	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2790

Are you saying a speaker can be added to ANY tender? I guess I don't see why not. Can you point me at a wiring diagram and the size of the resistor and capacitor? Thanks. Bob Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: Subject: AF airchime whistle 38008MW Hi, I hooked my whistle up but didn't realize the sound is supposed to be heard through the train. Where does the sound come from in the train? Does a 282 and a 21160 make the sound??? Thanks According to Gibert's numbering system, any locomotrive that 's number ends with 6 ( 326, 336, 296, etc. ) should have a whistle. I beleve that there are a number of exceptions. A whistle can be added to the tender with a small speaker a resistor and a capacitors. Jerry 77-11644 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36603	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: AF BW Caboose

What prototype road served as the model for the Flyer bay window caboose? TIA, Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36604	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: track; & speakers in tenders

<<<<I think Doug was being facetious when he made the comment about "as soon as Lionel decides to turn out S track again as well!">>> Actually, I wasn't. I don't know what the current thinking is at Lionel, since the "Great Shake-Up", but prior to that, they had intentions of marketing S track. Along with several others, I had been involved in discussions with Todd Wagner (initiated by him, not me) about which direction to go.......resurrect original-style AF track, or go in a whole new direction with AF "snap-track" products. However, it wouldn't surprise me if S track is now on the back-burner under the new management. SECOND ISSUE---- <<<<<Are you saying a speaker can be added to ANY tender? I guess I don't see why not. Can you point me at a wiring diagram and the size of the resistor and capacitor?>>>>> As long as there's room, a speaker can be added. Our aftermarket speaker comes with the appropriate-value capacitor. It can be used to replace a damaged or missing speaker, but it MUST be used with our supplied capacitor. This is because Gilbert used 3-ohm speakers, which are no longer manufactured. Ours is an 8-ohm speaker, and the cap must match it. The resistor should be eliminated. It is not necessary, and is a heat-source which can cause damage, especially to a plastic shell (tender, or diesel). BTW...if your damaged speaker is the style that resembles a small catfood can, our speaker is a perfect REPAIR for that speaker. Gut the original "can" by removing the speaker face, magnet, and wires......solder two wires to our new speaker and run them through the two holes in the original "can".....glue our speaker into the open face of the original "can".....it's a perfect fit. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36605	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: passenger cars

Hi Thorin, you wrote: "If you want to sell full length passenger cars to the highrailers this switch MUST come first." Have you looked at the Hi-rail #6 turnouts being offered by Tom's Turnouts? ***AF compatible switch. (It could be S-Helper compatible instead.) The requirements were 27 inches or more (#6 or #8 preferred),*** As long as the gauging of the track is S gauge, they are all compatible... I've heard that he is working on a #8 (in fact, the assembly fixtures are done), you might want to check his web page http://s-scale.org/albums/albun00 These Hi-rail turnouts even have the ability to run scale equipment and yes, they are prototypical all metal, open frog. Looks like the turnouts are available... :·) Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36606	From: muniman18	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: 325 AC

I HAVE A 326 AC HUDSON WHAT DOES THE AC STAND FOR DOES IT ONLY RUN AC TOO ALL I'VE LEARNED MORE IN THE PAST WEEK JUST READING THE QUESTIONS AND REPLYS THX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36607	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: 325 AC

It means it runs on "normal" AC power. (Actually it will also run on DC). Gilbert numbered them thus in the early years when they offered DC powered locos with a permanent magnet instead of wound field. These ran only on DC and carried a DC suffix to the engine cab number. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 325 AC > I HAVE A 326 AC HUDSON WHAT DOES THE AC STAND FOR DOES IT ONLY RUN > AC TOO ALL I'VE LEARNED MORE IN THE PAST WEEK JUST READING THE > QUESTIONS AND REPLYS THX > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36608	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2791

Subject: AF airchime whistle To install an A.F. ( original wiring ) electronic whistle ( oscillator and speaker ) into a A.F. unit. Using a small 3.2 ohm speaker, a 68 ohm resistor appro. 5 watt. and a 25 mfd 50 volt capacitor. From front or rear truck pick-up, connect the resistor and capacitor ( with AC current polarity +/- of the capacitor is not important ) in parallel to one terminal of speaker, from the other truck pickup, connect the other speaker terminal. The resistor can be omitted, it can heat up, causing damage to the plastic shells. Some speakers from small pocket radios will work. all parts are available at Radio Shack. I hope I didn't confuse you. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36609	From: David Girson	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Air Chime Whistle

After reading Jerry and Dougs ideas about retro-fitting for a speaker in the tender.. Has anyone actually done this and what was the sound like? Some of you have told me that the original whistle sound was not that great to begin with. Does anyone say that the whistle sound is adequate in either a factory equipped or aftermarket?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36610	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 18, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36611	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: Air Chime Whistle

If you want a really good economical sound system for your AF steam and diesel locos look at the Sound Commander Module from the Electric RR. Co. I have a page that shows some of my installations at: http://www.tuveson.com/K5Sound/AddingSoundToSteam.htm Look near the bottom of the page and you will see the Non TMCC wiring diagram and how easy it is to wire. It will use a new speaker, not the AC Gilbert style and volume is very good. The Diesel version is even easier to wire, since it doesn't use the chuff sensor switch. The sounds are very realistic recorded from actual locos and include Steam chuffs with 4 chuff cadence, Pump and air blowdown sounds, Whistle, Bell . The whistle and Bell are controlled with a conventional whistle/bell controller like used on most modern AC Train transformers or can be activated with a Lionel Bell and Whistle button boxes that come with the newer AF Alco diesels. Or they will work with TMCC equipped locos. The new Alco diesel board just released sounds Reeeaaally good and the prices are very reasonable. These are neat little boards. People that have seen them in action have been very impressed. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of David Girson Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 6:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Air Chime Whistle After reading Jerry and Dougs ideas about retro-fitting for a speaker in the tender.. Has anyone actually done this and what was the sound like? Some of you have told me that the original whistle sound was not that great to begin with. Does anyone say that the whistle sound is adequate in either a factory equipped or aftermarket?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36612	From: charlie and edith	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: 290 question

Greetings! Which armature would be considered "standard equipment" in the 290 engine? There seems to be two posibilities .... a wide space between poles or a narrow space between poles of the armature. They both have the same part number, are they interchangable? Thanks for your thoughts! Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36613	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 9/16/2005
Subject: Re: 325 AC Gilbert?

I thought it was to honor "AC" Gilbert..... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Smith Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; muniman18 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 325 AC It means it runs on "normal" AC power. (Actually it will also run on DC). Gilbert numbered them thus in the early years when they offered DC powered locos with a permanent magnet instead of wound field. These ran only on DC and carried a DC suffix to the engine cab number. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "muniman18" <muniman18@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 325 AC > I HAVE A 326 AC HUDSON WHAT DOES THE AC STAND FOR DOES IT ONLY RUN > AC TOO ALL I'VE LEARNED MORE IN THE PAST WEEK JUST READING THE > QUESTIONS AND REPLYS THX > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36614	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: DC power

Yep, ol' A.C. hisself made trains in AC and DC power. And we have discussed why he didn't go DC when he went to S scale and two rail track. (I still think it would have been smart...not with rectifiers and other expensive stuff, just straight DC motors and power packs like HO.) Unlike most of the folks on this list, I have been lured to the "Dark Side" and run three of my four Flyer locos on straight DC power. I used the can motor kits from Portlines and SnS Trains, and this is an easy swap! No more hot running motors or sticky e-units. I run them with an HO power pack. If you are an American Flyer collector, you won't want to do this. But if you operate S gauge trains, DC is the way to go! Stumpy Stone...the Darth Vader of the S-Trains group...lurking in the wilds of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36615	From: stez2003	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Honajector

Hi, I'm selling a small manual plastics injection molder, a Honajector, also I've equiptment for sand casting to make lead alloy molds for molding, and I can teach you how to do so. Using this tool you can make small parts or figures, so if there's anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area that would like to buy it, please contact me. Thanks, Steve stez2003@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36616	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it

I have been wondering myself about York..... Motel rates high, long drive..... cost about 1200.00 from Florida....plane, motel, car rental.....etc and that doesn't add in the 2 weeks lost work (self employed).... I can get a nice round trip to Hawaii for less...... So what I want to know..... any body beside me, jerry, and bill thinking about skipping Oct ( I need more trains like a hole in the head).... The only reason I like to go is the thrill of the hunt.....AND REMEETING OLD FRIENDS...... Go or Stay?????? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "race944t" <race944t@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sory I can' make it > To all, I'm sorry I won't be able to make York this year. I will miss the > Gilbert Get Together and the fun we have. I've been working all year on > opening a new bank and we are about there but I just can't leave right > now. > I hope you all find the bargins of a lifetime and enjoy yourselves. I > sure > do hate to give up my table in Blue. It was right next to a door and had > electricity. I'm guessing I won't get it back in April. > > I was going to bring a mint un-numbered bay window caboose to see if > anyone > had some insite. Also wanted to bring a repro cannon and original cannon > and see who could tell the difference. Both fire, both say made in Japan, > both even have the same spring tension on the firing mech. Oh well, maybe > in April. > > Have a great guys (and Barb). > > Banker Bill Clark > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36617	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it

I haven't. Wouldn't miss it for the world. ;-) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 9/17/2005 3:48:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: I have been wondering myself about York..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36618	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it

Life is short. If one has the means to do this trip and you enjoy it, then go. If not, then don't go. Don't let the price of gas control your life, if you can afford it. Me, I am still going to Maine, next Friday for two weeks, no matter what the price of gas is. Some things in life are more important. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <race944t@...> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sory I can' make it > I haven't. Wouldn't miss it for the world. ;-) > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 9/17/2005 3:48:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rcon7@... writes: > I have been wondering myself about York..... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36619	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Air Chime Whistle

I think the air chime whistle is a loser. An after market Ott whistle is vastly superior. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Girson" <tobeetwo@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Air Chime Whistle > After reading Jerry and Dougs ideas about retro-fitting for a speaker > in the tender.. > > Has anyone actually done this and what was the sound like? > > Some of you have told me that the original whistle sound was not that > great to begin with. Does anyone say that the whistle sound is adequate > in either a factory equipped or aftermarket? > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36620	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/17/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it

Just to let everyone know gas has droped in Sunbury Pa. from $3.36 2 weeks ago to $2.69 today.I am about 90 miles from York. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sory I can' make it > Life is short. If one has the means to do this trip and you enjoy it, > then > go. If not, then don't go. > > Don't let the price of gas control your life, if you can afford it. > > Me, I am still going to Maine, next Friday for two weeks, no matter what > the > price of gas is. Some things in life are more important. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rbubeck327@...> > To: <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; > <race944t@...> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sory I can' make it > > >> I haven't. Wouldn't miss it for the world. ;-) >> >> Bob Bubeck >> >> >> In a message dated 9/17/2005 3:48:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> rcon7@... writes: >> I have been wondering myself about York..... >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36621	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: AC/DC

Hi Stumpy and All, You wrote: "I have been lured to the "Dark Side" and run three of my four Flyer locos on straight DC power. I used the can motor kits from Portlines and SnS Trains, and this is an easy swap! No more hot running motors or sticky e-units." I couldn't agree more, the advantages of DC running are many-- and don't forget, you can power many of the accessories with DC too. In addition to SnS can motors in some engines, in others, I use full wave bridge rectifiers to convert them to DC. For power, I still use a vintage ACG 30B with a large rectifier and a DPDT to reverse polarity. Just for the fun of it, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36622	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Re: OUTBID - (eBay)

Just before the winning bid was made, your current bid was at $290, $5 more than the earlier bid of $285. A bidder only had to increment $5 over 290. If he had bid 295.00-299.95, his bid would have been topped by your previous maximum. He bid 300 or more, however, and since that topped the current bid by more than 5 it was valid so the system then looked for proxy bids higher than 295, and found yours at 299.95 and his at 300 (or higher) and awarded the win to the higher one. Your bid of 299.95 never became the current price, so his bid didn't have to top it by 5. The system went to use both your maximums at the same time and choose the higher one. Apparently when it does this it increments .05 over the losing maximum to report as the final price, when .01 would have been sufficient. --- robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > > Hey Bull........ I know..... I don't know why I did it..... I always bid odd > amounts .13, .55, .72, etc......But how did .05 slip in????? Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bull_gator_1@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:43 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] OUTBID - (eBay) > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > You made the cardinal eBay mistake - never bid a few cents under a > > dollar, always bid a few cents above a dollar. Especially never bid > > just under the next major round number!! Never bid $49.95 or $99.97 > > etc. You'll get sniped almost every time. > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > See S-Trains Classified ads at http://S-Scale.org > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36623	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Ballasting track

Is there such a thing as an S ballast spreader as there is in HO? And if so, who sells it? Thanks for any information :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36624	From: bimorph	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: ALL ABOARD set for sale

I am selling a Champion 8 panel set that is new in the box. I have owned it for over thirty years. The set box is opened on the bottom and the interior box was opened to look inside but I don't want to unpack it because I am afraid I'll never get it back in. Last one sold on ebay for $770. I am asking $650 pick up on Long Island, NY only. Al email me bimorph(at)yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36625	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 18, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36626	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2005
Subject: Re: Sory I can' make it

Gas prices in ROCKVALE Lancaster Co (RTS 30 & 896) were $2.69 a gallon for regular this AM, expect them to drop further tomorrow, after bleeding weekend drivers such as myself ( had to pump 25 gallons to get to work). Jim "driving the LITTLE van to York" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36627	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage

Phil K asked: >What kind of paper are you referring to here? Newsprint? >Tissue paper? Paper towels? Each of these has different abrasive >qualities. Hi, Phil. I was referring to newsprint-type papers (w/o printing). You're right, some papers are more abrasive than others. I don't know of any paper that is less abrasive than bubble wrap, though. >I use very very soft lint free paper towels and have never seen a >paint transfer or any rubs. Ironically, I once wrapped a diecast car in a regular paper towel. The paint reacted to the paper somehow. The paint was badly scarred. In some parts, the paper towel stuck to the paint. The car had a factory finish, and was several years old. Otoh, other carsthat I ve wrapped in paper towels have been ok., The painted plaster buildings on our Christmas layout have so far gotten packed in white tissue paper each year, but I may switch them to bw also. >My guess is that box or paper rubs result from "motion" -- when boxes >are moved No doubt. There's bound to be some motion, even when a wrapped piece is stuffed into a box with other cars. That's why I prefer the smooth surface of bw. >I have long-term stored painted pieces in "older" Bubble Wrap with >the same no-effect result you talk about. But I do have a set of >three LN painted New Haven style cars that -- unfortunately -- the >seller wrapped in Bubble Wrap with the bigger bubbles and all three >show the telltale dimples in the paint. The bw i've used has been some old, some fresh, small 3/8" bubbles. I have stored my 21004 a nd a couple of other pieces in the big 1" stuff, but those big bubbles take up too much room, so everything has been changed to the 3/8" size. I also wrap each piece with the bubbles facing away from the piece. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36628	From: knockbill	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: York/Gas prices

Hey Jim, Save me a couple of barrels of gas,,,,, I'm going to York to save money,,,,,, Its still over $3.00 a gallon in Delaware County, and thats where the refineries are... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36629	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: AF Storage

Try the tissue paper that they useto wrap fine sweaters & other clothing in from the store. Far softer than the bubblewrap. They also use it to wrap fine pottery & China in. I belive it to be very soft & acid free. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36630	From: race944t	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Storage paper

You should really consider an acid free paper when wrapping/storing trains. You may have to do a little research on where to find it, but I've gotten large sheets (24"x36") at Michaels and other places that specialize in scrapbooking supplies. I think some moving companies may also carry it. "Banker" Bill Clark >> Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:38:16 -0000 > From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> > Subject: Re: AF Storage > > Phil K asked: > >>What kind of paper are you referring to here? Newsprint? >>Tissue paper? Paper towels? Each of these has different abrasive >>qualities. > > > Hi, Phil. > > I was referring to newsprint-type papers (w/o printing). You're right, > some papers are more abrasive than others. I don't know of any paper > that is less abrasive than bubble wrap, though. > >>I use very very soft lint free paper towels and have never seen a >>paint transfer or any rubs. > > Ironically, I once wrapped a diecast car in a regular paper towel. The > paint reacted to the paper somehow. The paint was badly scarred. In > some parts, the paper towel stuck to the paint. The car had a factory > finish, and was several years old. Otoh, other carsthat I ve wrapped > in paper towels have been ok., The painted plaster buildings on our > Christmas layout have so far gotten packed in white tissue paper each > year, but I may switch them to bw also. > > >>My guess is that box or paper rubs result from "motion" -- when boxes >>are moved > > No doubt. There's bound to be some motion, even when a wrapped piece > is stuffed into a box with other cars. That's why I prefer the smooth > surface of bw. > > >>I have long-term stored painted pieces in "older" Bubble Wrap with >>the same no-effect result you talk about. But I do have a set of >>three LN painted New Haven style cars that -- unfortunately -- the >>seller wrapped in Bubble Wrap with the bigger bubbles and all three >>show the telltale dimples in the paint. > > The bw i've used has been some old, some fresh, small 3/8" bubbles. I > have stored my 21004 a nd a couple of other pieces in the big 1" > stuff, but those big bubbles take up too much room, so everything has > been changed to the 3/8" size. > > I also wrap each piece with the bubbles facing away from the piece. > > > Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36631	From: beebear	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Weekend trip

Hello all If you ever get a chance to visit Indianapolis, IN try to stay at the Crown Plaza Hotel. It's in downtown Indianapolis. They have Pullman cars you can stay in. They are VERY nice. We stayed there this past weekend. They are on the original train station tracks only in side the hotel which is the old train station. The room has a very comfortable king size bed, 2 stuffed chairs, TV, free internet and a free full buffet breakfast and carriage ride around the city with the train package. On the other hand for a 2 night stay it's a little pricey but I thought it was well worth it. You can eat in the hotel or there are many places within walking distance in the city. My wife and I felt very safe walking around the city in the evening even though the Colts were playing Sunday afternoon. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36632	From: starr007	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Decontamination of trains

Greetings, This request for information is on behalf of a very good friend who does not have internet access. My friend Albert Hery of Chalmette, La, has had his American Flyer Trains stored in his attic which was flooded by Hurricane Katrina! He has not yet been able to get back into his house due to the water. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about decontaminating and cleaning his trains that will not do further harm to them? Any ideas will be greatly appreciated! Thank You in advance, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36633	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices

I would like to say that at $3 a gallon that is still cheap. Here in the UK and much of Europe gas prices have been hitting a tad short of $8 a gallon. Even when the prices come down, which won't be much, we will still be paying about $7.20 a gallon. I know the US gallon is slightly smaller and that it has pushed the $3 mark but as another reader has mentioned it is already down to $2.69 and dropping, which will probably even out that you guys are paying about a little over a third than we do. The tax levy by most European governments averages out about 50 - 60% of pump price while in the US the tax levy is about 7.5% per gallon. I think you should all enjoy the low gas prices and reflect on the good value it is, even at $3 a gallon. It may not last like this forever. Regards, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York/Gas prices > Hey Jim, > Save me a couple of barrels of gas,,,,, I'm going to York to save > money,,,,,, Its still over $3.00 a gallon in Delaware County, and thats > where the refineries are... > John > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36634	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2794

AC/DC DC does give simple fun. I often put up a simple S-Trak layout in my summer cabin for my nephews running with a S-Helper power pack and run a converted 295 (SnS half speed ), a SHS SW1, a F-7, and other SHS engines using the supplied DC shorting plug (a 5 minute conversion back AC/DC back to AC)..I bought the MRC sound station so they can generate sound and they keep busy all day. I tell them the PC does not work. Ha! At home I try to figure out Tom Jarcho type AC tricks and circuits Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36635	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices

Sorry for the continuing off-topic (sort of) thread. But in point of fact, gas prices are as much psychological as they are wallet or purse-impacting. Remember when Bush the elder was justifying the first Gulf war by reassuring Americans that it would keep us from enduring $1.50 gas prices? Now, more than a decade later, gas prices are only double what he said they might be, and we all think (myself included) that the sky is falling. Meanwhile most other goods and services have trebled. Oh for that $1.50 price he predicted... Just IMHO... Back to trains. Roy Inman > From: knockbill <jdefelice@...> > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:37:09 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] York/Gas prices > > Hey Jim, > Save me a couple of barrels of gas,,,,, I'm going to York to save > money,,,,,, Its still over $3.00 a gallon in Delaware County, and thats > where the refineries are... > John > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36636	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains

First, my heart and best wishes go to your friend. I will make the assumption that your friend: (A) has more than just a few A-F cars and (B) is serious about cleaning. Several years ago I worked for a company that manufactured electronics equipment. We used a product called "Inhibisol" that was amazing. Inhibisol displaced moisture and cleaned solvents, grease and dirt from things like printed-circuit boards. It was also harmless to the plastics (that we used) as well as to fiberglass. The product was electrically 'non-conductive' such that we could submerge motors, and other electrical components, without damage. When we pulled a unit out of the vat, we used compressed air to dry the unit. The liquid would evaporate without leaving a film on the plastic or fiberglass boards. As I no longer work in that industry, I don't know if 'inhibisol' is still made (or allowed to be used). Assuming it is not available, I would contact a company that does 'electric motor rewinding' and ask them what chemical product they now use to submerge and clean windings, commutators and frames. Make sure you discuss the "plastic" and "paint" situation with them. However, when we used inhibisol, it did not attack the paint or silkscreening on the cases or PC boards. I hope your friend finds his house, as well as his trains in 'high&dry condition. Regards, Rick Moyer >From: "starr007" <starr007@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [S-Trains] Decontamination of trains >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:59:02 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.200 >X-Sender: starr007@... >Received: from n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.51]) by >mc10-f34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 >09:04:25 -0700 >Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep >2005 16:02:19 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.31] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 >Sep 2005 16:02:18 -0000 >Received: (qmail 48927 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 16:02:16 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >19 Sep 2005 16:02:16 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 16:02:16 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep >2005 16:01:59 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 >Sep 2005 16:01:59 -0000 >Received: (qmail 84243 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 15:59:20 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >19 Sep 2005 15:59:20 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) >(68.142.198.200) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 15:59:20 >-0000 >Received: (qmail 95795 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2005 15:59:06 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO your86339eb2bf) >(starr007@...@4.131.67.30 with login) by >smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2005 15:59:05 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHAEmfyuZIjwNr6wLey3iORwl8aDsLC044= >Comment: DomainKeys? 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My friend Albert Hery of Chalmette, La, >has had his American Flyer Trains stored in his attic which was flooded by >Hurricane Katrina! He has not yet been able to get back into his house due >to the water. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about >decontaminating and cleaning his trains that will not do further harm to >them? Any ideas will be greatly appreciated! Thank You in advance, >Sincerely, J.R. Starr > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36637	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains

What I would do is as soon as you can spray the motors and all metal parts with WD40,till you can clean them completly.Be carefull with the lettering on the cars if you are not when you clean the dirt off the lettering will come off with the WD40.Just wash with mild soap,WD will not hurt the motors.I have done this with some of my trains that I got from a wet basement. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "starr007" <starr007@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Decontamination of trains > Greetings, This request for information is on behalf of a very good friend > who does not have internet access. My friend Albert Hery of Chalmette, La, > has had his American Flyer Trains stored in his attic which was flooded by > Hurricane Katrina! He has not yet been able to get back into his house due > to the water. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to go about > decontaminating and cleaning his trains that will not do further harm to > them? Any ideas will be greatly appreciated! Thank You in advance, > Sincerely, J.R. Starr > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36638	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices

Price in Reading PA (approx. 1 hr. from York) is now $2.63! Tom Doherty PA Heritage Models, Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Trump Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; knockbill Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York/Gas prices I would like to say that at $3 a gallon that is still cheap. Here in the UK and much of Europe gas prices have been hitting a tad short of $8 a gallon. Even when the prices come down, which won't be much, we will still be paying about $7.20 a gallon. I know the US gallon is slightly smaller and that it has pushed the $3 mark but as another reader has mentioned it is already down to $2.69 and dropping, which will probably even out that you guys are paying about a little over a third than we do. The tax levy by most European governments averages out about 50 - 60% of pump price while in the US the tax levy is about 7.5% per gallon. I think you should all enjoy the low gas prices and reflect on the good value it is, even at $3 a gallon. It may not last like this forever. Regards, Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York/Gas prices > Hey Jim, > Save me a couple of barrels of gas,,,,, I'm going to York to save > money,,,,,, Its still over $3.00 a gallon in Delaware County, and thats > where the refineries are... > John > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36639	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices

Would be GREAT if we could take the train from where-ever to York, BUT, the PENNSY ended the "Dinky" service long, long ago. Friend of mine (now deceased) was the Conductor on the last run. Line crossed the Susquehanna in Columbia, the bridge piers are still visible on the south side of the RT 30 (Flying) Bridge. Take heart, tho. Oil prices shot up today on the "Threat" of damage to the rigs in the Gulf of Mexico again. Speculation, ALL speculation. Jim "who me cynical" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36640	From: knockbill	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Decontamination of trains

Hi The motors & reverse units can be dried out in a cool oven,,,,,,,Not too hot,,,,However I think the WD40 will help displace the water (liquid, who knows whats in it)....... Its a trick I learned at an Oil Burner school I took in Lancaster in 1972, after the floods there.... Good luck John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36641	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: York/Gas prices

RUTTERS FARM STORE York (http://www.pennsylvaniagasprices.com/member_info.aspx) 901 S RICHLAND AVE - WITH CARWASH _2.59_ (http://www.pennsylvaniagasprices.com/update_form.aspx?pid=18674061) per gal Cheapest gas in York as of today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36642	From: Charles Malinowski	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Weekend trip / Indy S Show

Hi John: Thanks the kind words about visiting Indianapolis. Downtown Indy has a lot to offer for a pretty good value. Here is an idea for others on the list: Combine a stay in downtown Indianapolis like John and his wife spent AND attend the 2nd Annual Indianapolis S Show on Saturday November 5th! (Yes, another shameless plug.) Charles Malinowski Carmel, Indiana bmry1905@... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36643	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2795

"Richard Moyer" Wrote Subject: RE: Decontamination of trains Several years ago I worked for a company that manufactured electronics equipment. We used a product called "Inhibisol" that was amazing. Inhibisol displaced moisture and cleaned solvents, grease and dirt from things like printed-circuit boards. It was also harmless to the plastics (that we used) as well as to fiberglass. Richard: I believe this product is marked under the trade name of WD-40 Jerry 77-11766

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36644	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: York/Gas prices

Gss prices don't bother me that much..... now its finding Motels reasonable, without driving 50 miles each day, I have a feeling many will open up at the last minute..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <jdefelice@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York/Gas prices > Would be GREAT if we could take the train from where-ever to York, BUT, > the > PENNSY ended the "Dinky" service long, long ago. Friend of mine (now > deceased) was the Conductor on the last run. Line crossed the Susquehanna > in > Columbia, the bridge piers are still visible on the south side of the RT > 30 > (Flying) Bridge. > > Take heart, tho. Oil prices shot up today on the "Threat" of damage to > the > rigs in the Gulf of Mexico again. Speculation, ALL speculation. > > Jim "who me cynical" Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36645	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains - No WD-40!

--- Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > What I would do is as soon as you can spray the motors and all metal > parts with WD40... WD-40 will destroy armatures permanently. Do not spray it on motors. See Bob Hannon's post regarding this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/8216 in which he wrote, "WD-40 (actually, any oil at all) will settle between the segments on the commutator, will actually boil when the armature is powered up, mix together with brush carbon and dirt that gets caught between the commutator plates, and eat its way into the plastic (phenolic, or whatever) substrate shorting the commutator plates out. If not throughly cleaned out, it will eventually eat deep into the plastic/phenolic substrate underneath the plates until it reaches the anchors which hold the plates to the substrate, and may eventually eat its way through the substrate until the commutator plates are shorted to the armature shaft." I can attest to to this. I bought a lionel EM crane which a previous owner had sprayed with oil (probably WD-40,) and the plastic in the armature was almost 50 percent gone and still continued to arc from the carbon and oil mixture that had soaked into the plastic. Use instead QD electronics cleaner. It is available in hardware stores, leaves no residue, is relatively inexpensive, and is safe on plastics. It is highly flammable; I've set fire to engines a couple of times by trying to run them before it completely evaporated. It will remove all the oil and crud. You will have to re-lube the gears and apply oil to the bearing points after you're done cleaning it. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36646	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40

--- Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote regarding Inhibisol: > I believe this product is marked under the trade name of WD-40 Inhibisol and WD-40 are not the same product. They are opposites in purpose. Inhibisol removes oil, and WD-40 contains oil. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36647	From: Phil K	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Decontamination of trains

I did a Google search on the product "INHIBISOL." It is a trade name for a type of Trichloroethene. I found some of it can be toxic AND degrade certain types of plastic. Before you use it, be sure to do a similar Google search and read about it. Phil K >> Several years ago I worked for a company that manufactured electronics equipment. We used a product called "Inhibisol" that was amazing. Inhibisol displaced moisture and cleaned solvents, grease and dirt from things like printed-circuit boards. It was also harmless to the plastics (that we used) as well as to fiberglass. The product was electrically 'non-conductive' such that we could submerge motors, and other electrical components, without damage. When we pulled a unit out of the vat, we used compressed air to dry the unit. The liquid would evaporate without leaving a film on the plastic or fiberglass boards. As I no longer work in that industry, I don't know if 'inhibisol' is still made (or allowed to be used). Assuming it is not available, I would contact a company that does 'electric motor rewinding' and ask them what chemical product they now use to submerge and clean windings, commutators and frames. Make sure you discuss the "plastic" and "paint" situation with them. However, when we used inhibisol, it did not attack the paint or silkscreening on the cases or PC boards.<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36648	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40

Inhibisol was the name of the co. that was ask by NASA to come up with a lube that would perform in o gravity as oils would tend to leave the serface of anything in space. After 39 attemps the 40th worked. The WD stands for Water (Iforgot the second word)maybe Displacer. Just saw this on the History Channel. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36649	From: Phil K	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40

One of the web pages I looked at was a government report outlining damage caused by Inhibisol to plastic parts in a valve used in a nuclear reactor application. It was a lot of technical mumbo-jumbo, but if I read it correctly the damage comprimised the integrity of the valve. Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > Inhibisol was the name of the co. that was ask by NASA to come up with a > lube that would perform in o gravity as oils would tend to leave the serface of > anything in space. After 39 attemps the 40th worked. The WD stands for Water > (Iforgot the second word)maybe Displacer. Just saw this on the History Channel. > Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36650	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: WD 40

The WD stands for Water Displacer-40 (for the 40th try) ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36651	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol and WD-40

Inhibisol (Also the co. name) is not WD-40. It is the co that came up with it after the 40th try. Unlike other lubes WD-40 is absorbed by the material it is sprayed on & pushs (For lack of a better word) moisture out of it. Mike PS: It could have been Discovery or Modern Marvels that I saw this on ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36652	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: Cleaner

The best and cheapest cleaner you can buy is good old Alcohol. You will not damage any electronics or motors using alcohol and it displaces water. Great track cleaner. Less than a $1.00 a pint. You have to be careful with 55 year old varnishes and enamels. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36653	From: cbqaf	Date: 9/20/2005
Subject: K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge

K-Line made a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in O Gauge a few years ago. The locomotive is basicly truer to S Gauge dimensions. I heard Mel Nielsen of Ballston Locomotive Works in New York converts this engine to S Gauge. Does anyone own one of these conversions or know of someone who does? What is the quality of the workmanship? Does it run on AF track and what is the minimum radius of the curves it will run on? I would appreciate any information about the conversion, Ballston or Nielsen. Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36654	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaner

Dear Lou, On many RTR models, alcohol will remove small pad printed lettering. Best regards, Don lou342ac wrote: >The best and cheapest cleaner you can buy is good old Alcohol. You >will >not damage any electronics or motors using alcohol and it displaces >water. Great track cleaner. Less than a $1.00 a pint. You have to be >careful with 55 year old varnishes and enamels. > Lou Baldi > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36655	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane

Hi Before using this chemical you should go to these web sites and read about 1,1,1-Trichloroethane (TCA) or one of it's trade names Inhibisol. Nasty stuff. Al http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/dw_contamfs/111-tric.html http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ohb/HESIS/tca.htm http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/formula/CH3CCl3.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36656	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge

At the spring York TCA meet 2005 I order a Camel back engine ready to run from Mel Nielsed. I sent him a check for a 159 and have not heard from him since. He has not returned phone calls or responded to any letters. At this point I am out 159 dollars for the engine and there are at least two other individuals in the same boat. Beware you have been warned that you may end up with nothing in the end. "cbqaf" <cbqaf@...> wrote: >K-Line made a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in O Gauge a few years ago.  The >locomotive is basicly truer to S Gauge dimensions.  I heard Mel Nielsen >of Ballston Locomotive Works in New York converts this engine to S >Gauge.  Does anyone own one of these conversions or know of someone who >does?  What is the quality of the workmanship?  Does it run on AF track >and what is the minimum radius of the curves it will run on?  I would >appreciate any information about the conversion, Ballston or Nielsen.   >Thank you. > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36657	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: Questions

Dear Charlie: Why not contact Hobby Surplus Sales and have them build you a new one? They still have barrels of new parts and frames with intact steps. I had a knuckle coupler version built a few years ago with Flyonel trucks (which I supplied). The link trucks might be more of a challenge but then you will have a brand new car! Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:54:20 -0400 From: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> Subject: Questions Greetings! Thinking of taking the pikemaster, yellow shell tank car and replacing the trucks with link coupler trucks. Is this conversion possible? Back to work on the 290, faster in reverse, and discovered that the armature has narrow gaps between the poles -Pull Mor style? The production date for this engine would seem to indicate an armature with wider spacing between the poles -like the 322. Which of these is the correct application? Does it make a difference in operation .... slower in reverse? Thanks for your thoughts! Best Wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36658	From: D Stoll	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: cleaner cheap and safe

I purchased a set from ebay (355 & 3 cars). The information said it needed cleaning. This set had been substituting as a mouse nest and when opened indoors, it needed to go outside imeadiatly due to the urine smell. All cars were dismanteled and washed in Dawn dishwashing liquid solution. 1 tablespoon to a gallon of water. They came out fine even when scrubbed with a camel har paint brush to get into the cracks. The detail and decals remained intact. The engine was another matter. If doing it again, I would have removed the trucks and removed the cardboard isolation from the frame. Washing would have worked there also if the stock could have been pressed right away to keep it flat. Steam would not have the same issue Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36659	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge

He will Probely be in the Gold Hall at York..... Last April he told me there were lots of orobs with this conversion..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <twoyt@...> To: ""cbqaf"" <cbqaf@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge > At the spring York TCA meet 2005 I order a Camel back engine ready to run > from Mel Nielsed. I sent him a check for a 159 and have not heard from > him since. He has not returned phone calls or responded to any letters. > At this point I am out 159 dollars for the engine and there are at least > two other individuals in the same boat. Beware you have been warned that > you may end up with nothing in the end. > > > "cbqaf" <cbqaf@...> wrote: > >>K-Line made a 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in O Gauge a few years ago. The >>locomotive is basicly truer to S Gauge dimensions. I heard Mel Nielsen >>of Ballston Locomotive Works in New York converts this engine to S >>Gauge. Does anyone own one of these conversions or know of someone who >>does? What is the quality of the workmanship? Does it run on AF track >>and what is the minimum radius of the curves it will run on? I would >>appreciate any information about the conversion, Ballston or Nielsen. >>Thank you. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>Enjoy thousands of great photos >>at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36660	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane

Triclor can be replaced with a solvent called Zylene which is flamable where Triclor was not. --- Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...> wrote: > Hi > > Before using this chemical you should go to these > web sites and read > about 1,1,1-Trichloroethane (TCA) or one of it's > trade names > Inhibisol. Nasty stuff. > > Al > > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/dw_contamfs/111-tric.html > > > http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ohb/HESIS/tca.htm > > http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/formula/CH3CCl3.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36661	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: For Sale

I have just located one brand new mint in the box (never opened) Lionel AF NYC 2-8-2 Mikado. This is available for $550 plus postage to the first person who wants it. First caller to 919/471-2613 with a Master Card or Visa plus address gets it. If you do not want to leave your credit card number on the machine, leave your telephone number and I will call you back. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36662	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/21/2005
Subject: Solvent warning

Triclor WILL eat/disolve some plastics, in the electronics industry we used it and later xylene as a circut board cleaner and a thinner for dow corrning conformal coating, I once melted a whole batch of relays( clear platic cases) on a circuit board ruined my day and made the boss mad and caused me double the work of fixing it. Some one else said alcohol is a good cleaner and it is for electrical parts if it is D-natured alcohol.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36663	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: CLEANERS

Try Caig.com for a wide choice of cleaners/solvents for elect/plastic etc. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36664	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: FW: Walt Danylak passed away on Sat., September 17th

Forwarding this, as I haven't seen it posted here yet. I'm sure many of you knew Walt. Doug Peck <<<<ORIGINAL MESSAGE>>>> Dear Friends, Some, perhaps many, of you are aware that my brother Walt Danylak passed away this past Saturday. For others of you this may be the first time you learn of this sad news. Walt started showing symptoms in May and June of some kind of medical problem. When he first went to doctors and a hospital here in Syracuse, they were thinking it was a heart problem. Eventually a long-delayed bone marrow test was done, and it immediately showed that he had an advanced case of leukemia. Chemotherapy started the very next day, and the first round seemed to be quite effective in destroying the diseased cells. However it wasn't quite up to the level needed for the blood stem cell transplant they wanted to perform, so they embarked on a 2nd round of chemotherapy. Due to excessive fluids related to the chemotherapy, Walt suffered from congestive heart failure and was transferred to ICU. He recovered from this, but the problem with excessive fluids continued. In short Walt was diagnosed with a very advanced case of leukemia, and he was unable to tolerate the necessary but agressive treatments that he received. The viewings were yesterday, and the funeral was this morning. Several of you dropped by yesterday to pay your respects, and some attended the funeral service this morning. We are so grateful for your kindness and prayers. Any of you interested in sharing a memorial gift can give either to the Leukemia and Lymphonma Society, CNY Chapter, 401 N. Salina Street, Syracuse, NY 13203-1770 or (esp. for anyone more interested in trains and particularly the FJ&GRR) to a special fund which will help catalogue and preserve a special collection of photos and documents related to the FJ&GRR. For info on this project please contact Mr. Bill Easterly at 518-762-4651 Ext. 3700 or at fund.develop@... Thanks once again for your friendship with Walt and your kindness to our family at this time. On behalf of all the Danylaks, Dennis Danylak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36665	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: York TCA Meet

The hour is getting late and here you have one guy without a motel room. If any of you know of a motel or would be willing to share costs please let me know off line. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36666	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane

So are you guys planning on drinking this stuff? If you use it in a ventilated area and wear rubber gloves I don't think you have that much to worry about, remember the skin is an absorbing organ. In my opinion, most of the concern with hydrocarbon solvents is because people don't use them cautiously. You will see these same type things listed with almost any solvent based paint. The real problem is that when you get to paint activated with isocynates the warnings on the labels all look about the same, but the results are much more potentially damaging. The litigious nature of our population has resulted in chicken little labeling practices. Read the label on superglue sometime, heck read any label. Most of the things we use in everyday life can potentially cause health issues. I personally use alcohol for most cleaning, if I am really serous I use CRC QD electric cleaner. It says it doesn't harm plastics, but you better not trust any label that says that without a little testing. Not all plastics are created equal. Accoring to the label this stuff contains methanol, hexane and isohexane, and methylpentane. You don't want this stuff in your drinking water either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce weidner" <weidner@...> To: "Allan V Eisenhaur" <aleisen@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane > Triclor can be replaced with a solvent called Zylene > which is flamable where Triclor was not. > > --- Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Before using this chemical you should go to these >> web sites and read >> about 1,1,1-Trichloroethane (TCA) or one of it's >> trade names >> Inhibisol. Nasty stuff. >> >> Al >> >> > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/dw_contamfs/111-tric.html >> >> >> http://www.dhs.ca.gov/ohb/HESIS/tca.htm >> >> > http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/formula/CH3CCl3.html >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: >> http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories >> too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36667	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2797

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy conversion to S Gauge I have one of the K-Line big boy's, A beautiful engine, for O-27 gage. I purchased one with the idea of pulling my 3/16 pre-war Gilbert ( 0 gage ) passenger cars. It is to big. I would not spend the money to convert it to S . Just my thoughts. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36668	From: John Foley	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: Walt Danylak passed away on Sat., Septem

Hi Folks I am sadden with the news of Walt's passing. We used to share tables at the Allentown Pa. Train Shows. Also we would bump into each other at conventions and train meets like York. He will be missed by many folks. Goodbye for now my friend. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <nasg@...>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 09:55 Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] FW: Walt Danylak passed away on Sat., September 17th

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36669	From: RCESpeak	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Walt Danylak

I am so saddened to hear of Walt's passing. He was one of the first members of this group that I met during my first trip to York. After the York meet when many of us submitted trip reports, he engaged in a little rumor spreading about me - but it was all done in fun. He was one of the most ardent supporters of my new layout and so encouraging of my efforts. I will miss him tremendously. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36670	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Insulation board table

I have had to dismantle my 12x16 layout, and would like to build a temporary (6 mos. to 1 year) 5x9 table. Has anyone used 2" foam board with old AF track? I've seen many articles about its use with HO and N, but not larger scales. I would use AMI Instant Roadbed, but I'm concerned about the weight of some AF locos causing depressions. Thanks in advance for comments. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36671	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table

Dick, We made a small 2x4 layout of foam, used the AF repro rubber roadbed, AF track and DAP silicon adhesive to hold everything together. Only downside was that it took lots of books, etc., on top of the track and roadbed while the silicon stuff dried. The nice thing about the silicon is that it sticks the track to the roadbed and the roadbed to the track with no deterioration to the foam or the roadbed. Roy Inman > From: Dick Kuepper <rkuepper@...> > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:59:05 -0400 > To: S-Trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Insulation board table > > I have had to dismantle my 12x16 layout, and would like to build a temporary > (6 mos. to 1 year) 5x9 table. Has anyone used 2" foam board with old AF > track? I've seen many articles about its use with HO and N, but not larger > scales. I would use AMI Instant Roadbed, but I'm concerned about the weight > of some AF locos causing depressions. Thanks in advance for comments. > > > > Dick > > Aurora, OH > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36672	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Inhibisol aka 1,1,1-Trichloroethane

Oh, I forgot to mention, I don't believe the current version of inhibisol contains trichloroethane. Unless you find something left on the shelf for years.... also....I think it is a good policy to get an MSDS sheet on anything you use on a regular basis.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36673	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re;Insulation board table

I have built many of these in HO and On30 scales and for slot car tracks over the past four years. I currently have two S gauge layouts on this stuff. First, get the Extruded Styrene Foam insulation board, not Styrofoam bead board. You can easily tell the difference. The Extruded stuff is smooth along the sides, while the styrofoam board has that bead look. Home supply stores carry 4x8 sheets in red, blue, or green and in either 2" or 1" thicknesses. You CAN glue two sheets of 1" together with Elmer's glue to make 2" thick. I do display layouts for train and car shows and generally we set up on the show's rented folding tables saving the building of any framing or legs. At home I can put one on the kitchen bar (when permitted), and have used saw horses on occassion. I would suggest putting these layouts on table tops (a ping pong table would be ideal) for S and O scales or slot cars just to be on the safe side. This material is refreshingly light in weight and stronger than you think. It is easily cut and carved with a steak knife! The cut offs make good base for scenery or can be carved to BE the scenery. Under table type switch machines can be put down into carved out pockets in the foam and slits made to push the wiring into to route it to control panels. There are lots of tricks you can do with this product, it's amazing. If you need help just e-mail me. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...always thinking "outside the box" in Martins ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36674	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 9/22/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table

Foam board is what I am planning to use as a base for my Christmas layout. The Showcase Line has a "S-Trax Primer and Track Planning Guide" that shows how to construct a layout using the foam board. The layout that they take to shows is 5 X 9 and constructed using the foam board. How to construct a layout using the foam board is shown in the Guide. The plans for the one they had at the last TCA show is in the guide. They state in the guide that the one they use for the shows weights less than 50 pounds. Tom "Dick Kuepper" <rkuepper@...> wrote: >I have had to dismantle my 12x16 layout, and would like to build a temporary >(6 mos. to 1 year) 5x9 table.  Has anyone used 2" foam board with old AF >track?  I've seen many articles about its use with HO and N, but not larger >scales.  I would use AMI Instant Roadbed, but I'm concerned about the weight >of some AF locos causing depressions.  Thanks in advance for comments. > > > >Dick > >Aurora, OH > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36675	From: ctbigboy	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table

The best insulation for board table is called "BLUE BOARD". It is a light weight blue material made in 4 X 8 foot sheets and is used for refrigeration. It comes in 1", 2" and 4" thickness. I use 2" for the base on my train board table. It is very strong, cuts easily with no mess and you can use a hot knife on it to carve ridges and burn holes through it to run electrical wires. Once you have used this material you will never use anything else. It is so sound absorbing you will really hear the difference with your rolling stock and chugging steam engines. Nick Mescher Classic Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36676	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Insulation board table

Dear Rick, This is what we used for our 5' X 9' display layout that is featured in our Track Planning Guide. I found the pink board difficult to scenic at the joints as they are tongue and goove. The blue board is just a butt joint and can easily be aligned. One of our customers suggested liquid nail instead of hot glue to join and this is a huge improvement as the hot glue can distort the joint and leave ruts. Don ctbigboy wrote: >The best insulation for board table is called "BLUE BOARD". It is a >light weight blue material made in 4 X 8 foot sheets and is used for >refrigeration. It comes in 1", 2" and 4" thickness. I use 2" for the >base on my train board table. It is very strong, cuts easily with no >mess and you can use a hot knife on it to carve ridges and burn holes >through it to run electrical wires. Once you have used this material >you will never use anything else. It is so sound absorbing you will >really hear the difference with your rolling stock and chugging steam >engines. > >Nick Mescher >Classic Trains > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36677	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: 2006 Greenberg American Flyer Pocket Price Guide

It has arrived. $13 postpaid in the US. Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36678	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Questions

Dear Charlie: I hope you ordered more than just the tank and platform. The 24328 uses a split shell so the bottom of the shell is really part of the frame. So a complete car also needs the tank car frame, the platform railings, the tank railings with ladders, two screws to hold the split tank to the frame, two rivets to hold the trucks to the frame, two or three 'smash boards' at the corners, and the Shell sticker might also be a spare part. I'm doing this from memory so I have probably forgotten something. I wanted a knuckle coupler version. I had Flyonel trucks in stock and was living within 4 miles of Amato's. (Amato's is the retail side of Hobby Surplus Sales which is mail order.) They delivered a complete car to me and knocked $6.00 off the price with pikemaster trucks in February 1990. --------------------- I had a similar armature problem with a 336. I cooked the armature through pure stupidity. (I will not describe how.) Afterwards it couldn't move itself. I grabbed a narrow-gap armature and replaced the cooked, wide-gap armature. I don't know how it pulled before I cooked the armature (about 1974) but the revised engine can pull stumps. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: charlie and edith [mailto:charlieandedith@...] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:26 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Questions Thorin, Thanks for your thoughts! I e-mailed Hobby Surplus asking if this was possible .... did not receive a reply. I called with the same question and could not get an answer so I ordered the tank and platform and will try to adapt my link couplers. The order should arrived the first part of next week and will see what unfolds. I put the armature from my 322 in the 290 and the difference was was fantastic. I ordered an armature hoping it will be the wide gapped version. Again, thanks for sharing! Best wishes, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Questions > Dear Charlie: > Why not contact Hobby Surplus Sales and have them build you a new one? > They still have barrels of new parts and frames with intact steps. I > had a knuckle coupler version built a few years ago with Flyonel > trucks (which I supplied). The link trucks might be more of a > challenge but then you will have a brand new car! > > Thorin > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:54:20 -0400 > From: "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> > Subject: Questions > > Greetings! > Thinking of taking the pikemaster, yellow shell tank car and replacing > the trucks with link coupler trucks. Is this conversion possible? > Back to work on the 290, faster in reverse, and discovered that the > armature has narrow gaps between the poles -Pull Mor style? The > production date for this engine would seem to indicate an armature > with wider spacing between the poles -like the 322. Which of these is > the correct application? Does it make a difference in operation .... > slower in reverse? > Thanks for your thoughts! > Best Wishes, Charlie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36679	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Got my Docksider...finally!

Only two of the five ordered came in (so far), so I got one and another customer got one. The previous reveiw here on the S-Trains group was right on. To my mind, the American Flyer collectors should be happy, it looks just like the originals. The operators should be happy because unlike the originals it runs great! Mechanically the highlites are DC can motor, electronic e-unit, and (best fo all) the old sliding pickups are replaced with neat little rollers. And there are four of them. Mechanically the lowlites are a tiny "N scale" size smoke unit, blue LED head and backup lites, and a pathetic "choo-choo" mechanism that sounds more like something loose flopping around inside than a chug. To my modeler/kitbasher's eye, this loco need some help. The side windows are backward, cab corners have knotches taken out of them, there are no steps front or back for the brakeman, no fuel bunker behind the cab, and a ridiculously tiny bell. Of course this is original Flyer. But, hey, what do you expect for under $100. for motive power in S gauge? I like it and still await my second one to come in! Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36680	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 25, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36681	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Calling all Hi-railers!

Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi- railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet counting scalers. We all get along here because alot of this gang seems to cross over into more than one group. I define a Hi-railer as someone who is a little bit of a collector, and a little bit of a scale operator and uses the best of both worlds. I fall more into the Hi-rail group because I like the colorful AF trains with their oversize wheels and couplers for reliability, but have grown to appreciate the more realistic look and operations of scale. I'm wondering if there's anyone else out there who consider themselves more of a Hi-railer than strictly a collector or scaler? If you are, how about shooting me an e-mail and let me know I'm not alone! Stumpy Stone mrstumpy@... Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36682	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/23/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

Yep, we are on the same page Stumpy. I like the look of the scale couplers, but I like the hi-rail wheelsets. And I do like those operating accessories, as do the grandbabies. Also enjoy building the occasional craftsman's kit (even though I ain't much of one-craftsman that is), like the Baker water tank, Falberg Station and the hope to soon purchase the cattle loading pen and corral. Personally, I like anything that runs on rails, and appreciate the traditional AF layouts and the Sn3 mining/logging empires alike. Yet I do have a small collection of AF stuff, and some LAF. To each his own :) Roy Inman > From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:53:49 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Calling all Hi-railers! > > Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; > American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi- > railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet > counting scalers. We all get along here because alot of this gang > seems to cross over into more than one group. > I define a Hi-railer as someone who is a little bit of a collector, > and a little bit of a scale operator and uses the best of both worlds. > I fall more into the Hi-rail group because I like the colorful AF > trains with their oversize wheels and couplers for reliability, but > have grown to appreciate the more realistic look and operations of > scale. > I'm wondering if there's anyone else out there who consider > themselves more of a Hi-railer than strictly a collector or scaler? > If you are, how about shooting me an e-mail and let me know I'm not > alone! > Stumpy Stone mrstumpy@... Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36683	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

You're certainly not alone, Stumpy. Check out http://s-scale.org/albums/album07 Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Calling all Hi-railers! Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi- railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet counting scalers. We all get along here because alot of this gang seems to cross over into more than one group. I define a Hi-railer as someone who is a little bit of a collector, and a little bit of a scale operator and uses the best of both worlds. I fall more into the Hi-rail group because I like the colorful AF trains with their oversize wheels and couplers for reliability, but have grown to appreciate the more realistic look and operations of scale. I'm wondering if there's anyone else out there who consider themselves more of a Hi-railer than strictly a collector or scaler? If you are, how about shooting me an e-mail and let me know I'm not alone! Stumpy Stone mrstumpy@... Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36684	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

There's at least two of us! geocities.com/theupstairstrain I just got my first SHS engine and two cars and I love them! The engine runs so quiet and smoothe compared to my beloved Gilbert engines. So I'm right with you in appreciating the new, but still loving the old that I grew up with. If you check out the "History" page of my website, you'll see me with my first train at the ripe old age of 5-1/2. Bob, The Upstairs Trainman, looking forward to visiting Martins Ferry Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi- railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet counting scalers. We all get along here because alot of this gang seems to cross over into more than one group. I define a Hi-railer as someone who is a little bit of a collector, and a little bit of a scale operator and uses the best of both worlds. I fall more into the Hi-rail group because I like the colorful AF trains with their oversize wheels and couplers for reliability, but have grown to appreciate the more realistic look and operations of scale. I'm wondering if there's anyone else out there who consider themselves more of a Hi-railer than strictly a collector or scaler? If you are, how about shooting me an e-mail and let me know I'm not alone! Stumpy Stone mrstumpy@... Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36685	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Another B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay starts at $1.00

I just put another brand new never opened B&M AC/DC Sound F-7 set with locomatic controller up on ebay. Brand spanking new, never run, in the box (never even removed) Boston & Maine #2 AC/DC Sound F-7 A & B units with the locomatic sound controller included. Stock #00933. I paid $479 + 59.95 (for locomatic controller) + shipping for this beauty. This set has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. I only removed the plastic to take the pictures. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. Buyer pays $22.00 UPS ground insured for shipping. Item number: 6001659362 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=6001659362&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36686	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Hi-rail

Hi Stumpy and Train Gang; Stumpy you wrote: "Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi-railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet counting scalers." On the other side (the S-Scale list), there has been a thread starting on this very topic. It's kind of centered around passenger cars, but also concerns turnouts. Naturally, I've felt like jumping in for some time and this looks like a good opportunity to do so. The scalers have been talking about 'Proto 64', a much more refined version of scale. That would give us four parts to S gauge; Proto 64, scale, Hi-rail and tinplate. I have my definitions, however, I would like to hear yours. In fact, I think it would be great if the NASG could come up with some standard definitions. I've heard it said the confusion between these categories has made it hard for the newcomer or the would-be convert from another scale. Isn't there an editorial in the Scenery Unlimited catalog on this topic? I am pretty sure H0 doesn't suffer from this polarizing. Maybe we should look there because they have been very successful as a scale. How would you 'label' the majority of the H0 community? What are your thoughts? What is Proto 64, S scale, S Hi-rail, and S tinplate? Still curious in Maine, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36687	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

I have considered myself a hi-railer for two reasons. I model a specific prototype and era using Gargraves track. In 2000 Mike Berus gave me a SHS Lehigh Valley Boxcar and since then I have bought a lot of American Models and SHS labeled for the "Reading RR". Running a new engine and cars you can hear the click clack of the wheels to rails just like a real train. You may visit my model railroad by going to: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/belfry.html Staying on the Stony Creek Branchline of NASG track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Calling all Hi-railers! There's at least two of us! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain I just got my first SHS engine and two cars and I love them! The engine runs so quiet and smoothe compared to my beloved Gilbert engines. So I'm right with you in appreciating the new, but still loving the old that I grew up with. If you check out the "History" page of my website, you'll see me with my first train at the ripe old age of 5-1/2. > > Bob, The Upstairs Trainman, looking forward to visiting Martins Ferry > > > > Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; > American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi- > railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet > counting scalers. We all get along here because alot of this gang > seems to cross over into more than one group. > I define a Hi-railer as someone who is a little bit of a collector, > and a little bit of a scale operator and uses the best of both worlds. > I fall more into the Hi-rail group because I like the colorful AF > trains with their oversize wheels and couplers for reliability, but > have grown to appreciate the more realistic look and operations of > scale. > I'm wondering if there's anyone else out there who consider > themselves more of a Hi-railer than strictly a collector or scaler? > If you are, how about shooting me an e-mail and let me know I'm not > alone! > Stumpy Stone mrstumpy@... Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36688	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail

Dear Tom, In my mind there are only two main divisions in "S". American Flyer compatible and code 110. I would think that 95% of S falls into one or the other group. I try to stay away from the term "hirail" as it is so confusing for those who are not plugged in. It was never a term used by the A.C. Gilbert company. Like wise, the word "scale" is equally confusing as so much American Flyer literature used this term (correctly I may add) everywhere. You can find it on all types printed matter, boxes, catalogs, instruction manuals, etc. The truth is today's "S scalers" are not really S scalers. A code 110 wheel is not a scale wheel nor is a KD 802 (or for that fact a #5) a scale coupler. I always felt the first compromising is not in owning and operating 1:1 prototype trains. After that, the compromises come much easier. Don Thomas Stoltz wrote: >....has made it hard for the newcomer or the would-be convert from another scale. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36689	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

Hey There Stumpy, I probably count in there too. Although I have scale wheels and couplers on most of my equipment, there are some Flyer trains with original equipment, too. I just hope we don't start a new list over this subject. I still smart over the split between the scale and trains lists since I work both sides of that issue. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Calling all Hi-railers! Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi- railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet counting scalers. We all get along here because alot of this gang seems to cross over into more than one group. I define a Hi-railer as someone who is a little bit of a collector, and a little bit of a scale operator and uses the best of both worlds. I fall more into the Hi-rail group because I like the colorful AF trains with their oversize wheels and couplers for reliability, but have grown to appreciate the more realistic look and operations of scale. I'm wondering if there's anyone else out there who consider themselves more of a Hi-railer than strictly a collector or scaler? If you are, how about shooting me an e-mail and let me know I'm not alone! Stumpy Stone mrstumpy@... Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36690	From: Bill Lange	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Calling all Hi-railers!

Stumpy! There's a large sub group of Hi-railers as well. We can be very seasonal. I've been planning a new year-round layout all year, but my focus has been on the holiday layout. I have an album for that as well on S-groups. I've been lurking on the list all year, but I'm usually most active from Fall until February. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36691	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????

This is Jerry the ole guy after 40 plus years converted from 3 rail O Gauge to S Gauge/Scale. I am operating a year round layout,. using the fantastic S helper S trax and love it. I basically operate S helper and American Models Steamers and Diesels, but for fun and to get back to the "Toy" or Tinplate operation, I have just about all the Steam Enginesand some diesels that Gilbert produced and run them quite often, along with the Flyonel Mikado. So what would I be called? Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36692	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????

An Addict? ;<) Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mtoytrain@... Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:09 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question???? This is Jerry the ole guy after 40 plus years converted from 3 rail O Gauge to S Gauge/Scale. I am operating a year round layout,. using the fantastic S helper S trax and love it. I basically operate S helper and American Models Steamers and Diesels, but for fun and to get back to the "Toy" or Tinplate operation, I have just about all the Steam Enginesand some diesels that Gilbert produced and run them quite often, along with the Flyonel Mikado. So what would I be called? Jerry Matsick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36693	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

Hey, Stumpy Is your question supposed to be a stumper? I guess I am a typical Hi-Railer in that I collect both Gilbert and L-Flyer. I also run both along with SHS and AM locos and rolling stock all intermixed. I use AC, DC, DCC, and Locomatic operating systems interchangeably on the same loops. I have much of my rolling stock converted to Kadee couplers. I have transition cars from link to knuckle, knuckle to Kadee, and Link to Kadee. Some of the Flyer pieces rest on shelves of honor and are seldom if ever run. I have several Flyer locos both steam and Diesel converted to can motors. I use American Models track and turnouts with Gilbert accessories and re-railers, etc. So, am I a collector? Yep. Am I a scaler? Well, I use scale couplers. Am I an operator? For sure. But what I really am is an S-Gauger.......Aren't we all? Steve Blackburn Boise Idaho TCA, NASG, RMHR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36694	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????

A KID AT HEART.......... BOB ME 2 > > So what would I be called? > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36695	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Hi-Rail Question????

A fairly typical S gauger! I never had that stuff with that strange third rail though ;>) Jerry Poniatowski > So what would I be called? > > Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36696	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

Not to worry, Stumpy. You're in the majority. The terms you hear are just S-only designations that distinguish each aspect of S scale among the fraternity. People outside of S are confused by all these terms. The plain fact of the matter is that although S scale and Sn3 are enjoyed by many, it is the AF and/or hi-rail segment that is by far not only the largest, but is the best way for S to grow in the future. More and more people are reaching Grandparent age and getting out the trains of their youth out to share with their grandchildren and getting hooked themselves in the process. I have a scale layout (code 100), but wanted to run my AF for the grandchildren. Therefore I engineered a new section of the layout using code 125 rail. Now I can enjoy Scale, Sn3 and AF. I have achieved S gauge nirvana. I posted an AF Hudson running on the layout in the Photo's section under "Penn Western". It's running on code 125 rail with code 100 rail to it's right. AF looks good in a scale setting and I'm thrilled to get it running on a layout again. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > Hey, y'all...There are, of course, three parts to S gauge today; > American Flyer collectors, scale modeling enthusiasts, and Hi- > railers. At the extremes there are hard core collectors and rivet > counting scalers. We all get along here because alot of this gang > seems to cross over into more than one group. > I define a Hi-railer as someone who is a little bit of a collector, > and a little bit of a scale operator and uses the best of both worlds. > I fall more into the Hi-rail group because I like the colorful AF > trains with their oversize wheels and couplers for reliability, but > have grown to appreciate the more realistic look and operations of > scale. > I'm wondering if there's anyone else out there who consider > themselves more of a Hi-railer than strictly a collector or scaler? > If you are, how about shooting me an e-mail and let me know I'm not > alone! > Stumpy Stone mrstumpy@c... Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36697	From: bruce weidner	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

I am an S gauger with a bad O gauge habit that makes me a SO gauger or the wizzard of OS ;^) In that other gauge hirail when talking about track has a high rail profile and deep flanges on wheels but when talking about a layout in general it means running toy trains in a realistic/semi-realistic seting where as tinplate toy trains and toy like enviroment and scale would be the ultimate in detail with proto 64 being its extreme end.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36698	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: ** S Scale Brass Speeder Project Announcement **

Hi All, When the Yahoo S Scale list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale mentioned that a running Speeder would be an interesting item to have, I thought it might be a possible project. But, a brass Speeder was not in the lineup of Pennsy S Models projects for the foreseeable future. We have at least the next 3 projects either being built or scheduled well into 2006. However, Pennsy S Models does not want to deny the S Scale Market the opportunity to own a fine brass Speeder model. We have passed the Speeder project on to Jeff Briggs of Briggs Models and wish him success with it. Finally, we are concentrating on the completion of the X29 & G26 projects, so we can get started on the projects beyond them. From now on please contact Jeff Briggs briggsmodels@... with all Speeder project questions and orders. I am no longer involved in the project beyond being the first person to place an order for 1. Thank You, Bill Lane Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com The project announcement from Jeff is as follows: Some may be familiar with my company name, as I have been working as a product engineer and pattern maker for various resin kit companies including Kaslo Shops http://www.kasloshops.com for the past 10 years. Briggs Models- Product Release The prototype for this model is a ca. 1950 Fairmont powered car and trailer. The car will be open on the sides, with an enclosed tunnel in the center, and a metal front and roof similar to this unit. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_Brass_Speeder.jpg This model will not be produced overseas. This model will be produced and assembled in North America, using mainly US produced parts and North American labor. The model will be only available factory painted, and unlettered. Your choice of MOW yellow, MOW orange, bright red and bright green is available. Decals are not included with the model. They are not known for their excessive decoration anyway. I few dry transfers or decals from a lettering set will suffice for most eras and roads. The models will be DCC ready, to accept a Digitrax DZ123PS decoder. Soldering will be required to install the decoder, but disassembly of the model will not be. Featured parts will be: . Solid nickel-silver driver tires with cast brass centers . Can motor . Gearing for realistic top speed . On powered unit/trailer combinations, the trailer will be used for additional electrical pickup . DCC ready . Factory painted realistic colors with laser cut window glass and separately applied etched Stainless Steel details . Your choice of Hi-rail or NASG wheels The models will be sold for $325.00 US for a boxed set of one powered motor car, and one trailer. A maximum of 50 boxed sets will be manufactured. There will also be a maximum of 30 un-powered trailers boxed and sold separately. These will be priced at $80.00. Shipping is included in continental United States and Canada. These models will only be available directly from Briggs Models. Deposits on the models will not be taken until enough reservations are received to make the project a go. Once we have received the required number of reservations and the models have been produced, you will be notified either by telephone or email. You will have 30 days to make your payment, either via PayPal (which we prefer), or by check or money order. If you wish to pay by check or money order, please allow 30 business days to clear the funds, as well as 2 weeks for shipping. At this time we do not accept Visa, MC or AmEx. Payments made with PayPal should be made to: briggsmodels@... A PayPal request for funds will not be sent. You will be telephoned when your model(s) is ready. Paper payment should be made out to: Briggs Models, and should be sent to: Briggs Models #213-899 Craigflower Road Victoria, British Columbia, Canada V9A2X3 Please do not send any money at this time! To make your reservation, please send an email to: briggsmodels@... or send a letter to the above address, with the topic Speeder Reservation". This communication will be considered your reservation. The models will be allotted on a first come, first served basis. When making your reservation, please indicate: Color- from the list above Wheels- Hi-Rail or NASG Quantity of each model Method of payment Please keep your eyes open for announcements regarding a website and further information on release dates and model specifics. Thank you for your interest in Briggs Models! Jeff Briggs, Owner Briggs Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36699	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

Hey guys...I wish I had the cartoon from MR about the scale vs toy train layouts...... The scale looked exactly like the real thing!!!! but the toy layout was more like mine.....AF, with am etc mixed in, Plasticville. Airport with a 12" runway and becon, Dinosour with a collie dog in its mouth, Batman climbing a ladder on an AF ass...... roads that went from nowhere to nowhere..... Ie... how do the cars get there.... etc..... its all a dream and its all for play...... But the bottom line is I don't want to take a chance with the 5 Didget HW pass care..... all the AF like those 100 to 1000 cars and locos stay on the display shelves.... the BAR and TNT in Kleer pack cars and others stay in their boxes......I just enjoy having them..... but the time is coming when we will part.... me and all those chilshood dreams.... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36700	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Hi-Railers

Hello Stumpy, I guess I would be considered a Hi-Railer. Although my collection is 90% Gilbert Flyer because those were "the trains of my youth", I appreciate all aspects of "model railroading" as well. Accordingly, while my home layout is Flyer Flattop, my show layout is Flyer track with extra ties; Flyer, American Models and SHS trains through scratchbuilt scenery. I am sure you've seen the few pictures I have posted at http://s-scale.org/albums/albup36 I guess I haven't started my "permanent" home layout yet because I can't decide between traditional Flyer toy-like, scale scenery hi-rail or some amalgam of the two. I have become like my grandchildren: I like it all. But any new layout will definitely be S-scale. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36701	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Got my Docksider...finally!

I just got a call that my order is in too, and will pick it up at a train show in San Jose tomorrow. As to the prototype, I think I may have found one sitting in the yard at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris CA. I put a few photos of it in an album titled Docksider Prototype http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst?.dir=/Docksider+Prototype&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t One of the first things apparent is that there is no coal bunker on this locomotive either. Obviously an Oil Burner that could have held oil in a segmented saddle tank along with the water. I know the AF version doesn't have the hump in front of the cab like this one, but pretty close otherwise. I believe it was a Vulcan engine if I remember correctly from about two years ago when I took these photos. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Got my Docksider...finally! > Only two of the five ordered came in (so far), so I got one and > another customer got one. > The previous reveiw here on the S-Trains group was right on. > To my mind, the American Flyer collectors should be happy, it looks > just like the originals. The operators should be happy because unlike > the originals it runs great! > Mechanically the highlites are DC can motor, electronic e-unit, and > (best fo all) the old sliding pickups are replaced with neat little > rollers. And there are four of them. > Mechanically the lowlites are a tiny "N scale" size smoke unit, blue > LED head and backup lites, and a pathetic "choo-choo" mechanism that > sounds more like something loose flopping around inside than a chug. > To my modeler/kitbasher's eye, this loco need some help. The side > windows are backward, cab corners have knotches taken out of them, > there are no steps front or back for the brakeman, no fuel bunker > behind the cab, and a ridiculously tiny bell. Of course this is > original Flyer. > But, hey, what do you expect for under $100. for motive power in S > gauge? I like it and still await my second one to come in! > Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36702	From: muniman18	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: STUMPY'S QUESTION

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK I AM BUT I FEEL LIKE A KID AGAIN CLEANING THE WHEELS THINKING ABOUT MY LAYOUT WATCHING THE ENGINES RUN . CAN SEE MY DAD UNDER THE TRAIN BOARD HOOKING UP WIRES FOR THE SWITCHES. HE MY UNCLES AND ALL THE MEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A CONTEST EVERY YEAR FOR THE BEST LAYOUT .WELL ON CONTEST DAY THEY WENT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE TO JUDGE WHO WAS BEST AND OF COURSE THE HOPPER CARS WERE RUN AROUND THE TRACK WITH SHOTS OF BURBON..ETC ETC AFTER ABT 6 HOMES YOU CAN GUESS WHAT HAPPENED... THE WIFES ALLL TOOK IT IN STRIDE . HEY IT WAS HARMLESS FUN EAST NEW YORK WAS ROCKING FOR SOME REASON THE WORSE LAYOUT ALWAYS WON THE PRIZE A 10 CENT FAKE JEWLED CAN OPENER AND BRAGING RIGHTS SO TO TRY AND ANSWER STUMPY HI RAIL LOW RAIL WHAT EVER JUST A GUY WHO ENJOY'S AF S SCALE PLAIN AND SIMPLE MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36703	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail

John, et al, I can sure understand how you would come to some of your conclusions, given your years of experience behind the counters of hobby shops. I have merely filled in part time over the years at a few shops myself, and even with that relatively brief bit of interaction, I came to appreciate that lots of modelers are as you describe: somewhat ignorant and reluctant to change. But those tendencies are not limited to hobby shop customers. I also have worked behind camera shop counters, and boy, there are some real doozies I could tell of those days; professionals shooters, making a good living, and some of them did not know an f: stop from a bus stop. I guess after a while I got sort of philosophical about the whole thing and figured that if their lives worked for for them, so be it. And in truth, there are some things about which I am totally ignorant, and see no reason to illuminate myself....well, lots of things, actually. Big world with lots of paradoxes and radically different points of view. And even though there are more books being sold now than at any time in the history of humans, fewer people actually get their information from the printed word; primary example set by the President of the United States. Don't flame me; that is merely an observation, not a comment: he says he doesn't read newspapers. Cheers :) Roy Inman "Always Reading The Directions In Lenexa, KS" > From: John O <westtexaschief@...> > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:19:07 -0700 (PDT) > To: Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail > > Hello all; > > My 2 cents worth. > > I've been involved with miniature trains in several sizes for more years than > I care to recall. This includes having a more than passing interest with no > less than three hobby shops in different towns.It's an interesting perspective > standing on the other side on the counter. > > I've found out that the two biggest challenges model railroading has in > general are; > > 1. the profound level of ignorance of the average modeler and; > > 2. an even greater reluctance to change. > > In today's world customers are more interested in expediency than they are in > accuracy. They too often to grab on to the idea that the manufacturers have > exercised due diligence and don't want to know of deficiencies. > > Improvements are continually advancing our hobby. The range and quality has > never been better than it is now. However, this is also a great liability to > the hobby because it lowers the skill and knowledge of the average modeler. It > also makes many complacent. > > I've always known that those who enjoyed the hobby most are those who spend as > much time as they can studying railroading and the technologies that make them > work. This includes miniature as well. > > Most HOers ( 90%) are as much HiRailers as I was with my AF collection back in > the seventies. Its not being ignorant that's bad; its staying that way. > > John Oglesby >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36704	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: Calling all Hi-railers!

Well, I guess I'm more of a "Hi-Railer". I run old Flyer, along with SHS. I don't like the old toy-like cars or figures, I prefer closer to scale cars (Racing Champions, etc.). I do like some of the old accessories though. I especially enjoy more detailed scale scenery, although the type of track doesn't matter to me. I tend to like the "silly" side also, as some of my seasonal layouts show. Hmmmm.......time for a "Hi-Ball". Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36705	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: S scale and Hi rail

I have several pieces of Athearn kit rolling stock on my shelves for comparison sake. When visitors ask about sizes of trains I can show them the difference.The Athearn cars pale by comparison to SHS or AM cars.HO has some RTR rolling stock that is equivalent to AM or SHS.It costs about the same as S stuff even though it uses less material,and sells in much larger quantities.Go figure.It all comes down to our preferences and abilities,and having fun in the process. Hi railing across Indiana Jerry ps.if an an auto or truck was made in "true" 1/64 scale how thick would the the body panels be?My guess is that it would crumple when handled:<] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36706	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail

As Mark Twain said, differences of opinion make horse races. They also keep conversation interesting. So, here's a different perspective on the discussion of the terms scale and highrail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> In my mind there are only two main divisions in "S". American Flyer compatible and code 110. I would think that 95% of S falls into one or the other group. .. . . . . . . . > > > > > > > I disagree because that statement says American Models "scale" products do not exist or are at best a part of some strange 5% minority. American Models "scale" rolling stock is still produced with code 126 wheels, and they are not American flyer-compatible. The attempt to get us to use the term "code 110" where we used to say "scale" is probably good marketing for those companies that use code 110 wheels, but is not correct. When Rbt Miller, Ace, American Models, and others give us "scale" wheels they gave us wheels at or close to 0.126 inches wide. The wheel width, tread plus flange, is the dimension that determines the code number. And these code 126 wheels, properly gauged, operate flawlessly in today's "scale" trackwork. It cannot be denied that the introduction of code 110 wheels by S-Helper Service has given us wheels of a more realistic appearance. A real railroad wheel has a width of about 5½ inches, so a true 1/64 scale model of a real wheel would be 0.086 inches wide, or code 86. There is currently a similar move in HO to go to a wheel that is not so obviously over-width. Many of the more demanding HO modellers are switching from code 110 wheels to code 88. And not without controversy. One HO company was supplying its product with code 88 wheels for a while and then went back to code 110. In a discussion of this on the Modern Freight Car List, our Terry Harrison said they ought to do what SHS does in S, install the wider wheels and include the closer-to-scale wheels in the box. < < < < < < Don goes on to say I try to stay away from the term "hirail" . . . . . It was never . . . .used by the A.C. Gilbert company. > > > > > True, but in those golden days, A C Gilbert was S gauge, and whatever terms people outside their world used to refer to them were irrelevant to them. Today it's different. High-rail is a scale modellers' term for a track and wheel system compatible with AF track and wheels, and it's not going to go away. < < < < < < < (Don:) Likewise, the word "scale" is equally confusing . . . . . . A code 110 wheel is not a scale wheel nor is a KD 802 (or for that fact a #5) a scale coupler. > > > > > > This is technically true if "scale" can only mean absolute 1/64 scale reduction accuracy in all detail including track and wheels. But it has become an accepted and understood term, a "term of art," which is understood to mean an established system of track & wheel (& coupler) standards which give a far more realistic appearance than American Flyer. < < < < < (Don:) I always felt the first compromising is not in owning and operating 1:1 prototype trains. After that, the compromises come much easier. > > > > > I like that. Enough for now. Stay tuned for Part Two. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36707	From: Phil K	Date: 9/24/2005
Subject: Gilbert Erector and Mysto Magic collection sale for charity

Hi all -- Longtime Chicago TV news anchor John Drury, who was an avid collector of rare A.C. Gilbert Erector Sets and Mysto Magic Sets, is auctioning off his entire collection to raise funds for the Brain Research Foundation at the University of Chicago. John is 78 and he retired from WLS-Channel 7 in 2002 after 50 years on the air. He is fighting Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS), the neuromuscular condition more commonly known as Lou Gehrig's Disease. The auction will be Oct. 9 at Leslie Hindman Auctioneers. See: http://www.lesliehindman.com and click on catalogues. There is a complete listing there with photos of each lot. John is gravely ill and has been on a respirator since early last year. The last time I saw him, he was in a wheelchair visiting the A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society meet held in conjunction with the NASG National Convention last summer (2004). Here's a chance to acquire some early A.C. Gilbert production AND have your money go to a marvelous charity. John's collection, according to CASG member L. Andrew Jugle, is quite extensive and of the highest quality. Andy, one of the nation's foremost experts on all things Gilbert, assisted John in acquiring many of the pieces. May I also add that John is a wonderful person who opened his home many times to our local Midwest TCA group to see his collection. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36708	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Hi-rail

Dear Tom, You seem to have a misconception on the term code 110. This is the minimum wheel thickness that operates on the NASG S3 standard track work, not that the wheels have to be code 110. American Models wheelsets are gauges so that his wheels work on the NASG S3 track standards. Companies that in the past produced wheelsets to the obsolete NMRA S3 standards can be regauged to the NASG S3 standards. I agree that these terms are what we use are for marketing. The growth of S is dependent on new (virgin) people coming to "S" and to a greater extent previous childhood owners (born again) S gaugers coming back into the fold. We spent so much time on the phone answering the same questions when we market both AM and our SHS stuff. Or, worse was when the first order was for a scale DC locomotive when they wanted something to operate around the christmas tree with their 1B transformer and on AF track with switches. So we adopted terms that we felt made it less likely that they would order the wrong thing. The last thing I do when I do the final proof read of the catalog is search for "hirail" and remove all reference. Don PS The NASG S4 standards for wheelsets were first used by the NASG brass car committee 13 years before S Helper Service started to use the S4 standards on our imported freight cars. Overland Models was the next company to embrace them. I think the Pacific Rail Shop trucks used them too. Tom Hawley wrote: >As Mark Twain said, differences of opinion make horse races. They also keep >conversation interesting. So, here's a different perspective on the >discussion of the terms scale and highrail. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> >In my mind there are only two main divisions in "S". American Flyer >compatible and code 110. I would think that 95% of S falls into one or the >other group. .. . . . . . . . > > > >I disagree because that statement says American Models "scale" products do >not exist or are at best a part of some strange 5% minority. American Models >"scale" rolling stock is still produced with code 126 wheels, and they are >not American flyer-compatible. > >The attempt to get us to use the term "code 110" where we used to say >"scale" is probably good marketing for those companies that use code 110 >wheels, but is not correct. When Rbt Miller, Ace, American Models, and >others give us "scale" wheels they gave us wheels at or close to 0.126 >inches wide. The wheel width, tread plus flange, is the dimension that >determines the code number. And these code 126 wheels, properly gauged, >operate flawlessly in today's "scale" trackwork. > >It cannot be denied that the introduction of code 110 wheels by S-Helper >Service has given us wheels of a more realistic appearance. A real railroad >wheel has a width of about 5½ inches, so a true 1/64 scale model of a real >wheel would be 0.086 inches wide, or code 86. >There is currently a similar move in HO to go to a wheel that is not so >obviously over-width. Many of the more demanding HO modellers are switching >from code 110 wheels to code 88. And not without controversy. One HO company >was supplying its product with code 88 wheels for a while and then went back >to code 110. In a discussion of this on the Modern Freight Car List, our >Terry Harrison said they ought to do what SHS does in S, install the wider >wheels and include the closer-to-scale wheels in the box. > >< < < < < < >Don goes on to say >I try to stay away from the term "hirail" . . . . . It was never . . . .used >by the A.C. Gilbert company. > > > >True, but in those golden days, A C Gilbert was S gauge, and whatever terms >people outside their world used to refer to them were irrelevant to them. >Today it's different. High-rail is a scale modellers' term for a track and >wheel system compatible with AF track and wheels, and it's not going to go >away. > >< < < < < < < >(Don:) Likewise, the word "scale" is equally confusing . . . . . . A code >110 wheel is not a scale wheel nor is a KD 802 (or for that fact a #5) a >scale coupler. > > > >This is technically true if "scale" can only mean absolute 1/64 scale >reduction accuracy in all detail including track and wheels. But it has >become an accepted and understood term, a "term of art," which is understood >to mean an established system of track & wheel (& coupler) standards which >give a far more realistic appearance than American Flyer. > >< < < < < >(Don:) I always felt the first compromising is not in owning and operating >1:1 prototype trains. After that, the compromises come much easier. > > > >I like that. >Enough for now. Stay tuned for Part Two. >Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36709	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Re;re;Calling all Hi-railers

Wow! What a response, both in my e-mail inbox and here on the group! Looks like I've started something! I even got the gang down at the hobby shop rolling on this Hi-rail deal. My inbox indicates there are many more Hi-railers than both collectors and scalers. It seems most folks like both the American Flyer stuff from the old days and the trains made today. Most freely mix the two, some are even running more and more of the new stuff and shelving (or even selling) some of the old Flyer. As to why, the few people who volunteered that information pointed out how great the modern trains looked and ran, and how expensive alot of the original AF has become. Some feel original Flyer is to valuable to run. However, there is also a large group out there that run old American Flyer exclusively on their layouts, and run alot. They are not worried about collectability and enjoy repairing, restoring, and maintaining their trains as much as running them! A few of the more daring individuals even spoke of kitbashing both old Flyer and new stuff or converting to DC power...but their names will be withheld to protect the guilty. (Besides that may be the a question I'll bring up at a later time.) Stumpy Stone...not feelin' lonely no more...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36710	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 25, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36711	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Docksider Review

I just got my Docksider and here are my thoughts. First of all, the coupler is very problematic. I tried running on a circle of regular 20" (approx.) radius AF track and it seems that there is too much lateral force in the centering springs in the couplers. The only coupler I could get it to work dependably with was the American Models body mounted coupler on a wood style caboose. What I think saved that was the relatively weak centering springs on those couplers, which basically caved in to the force exerted by the Docksider. I also tried old AF knuckle couplers, truck mounted Lionel couplers on a couple of 80's vintage AF box cars, SHS couplers on a billboard reefer and the docksider derailed all of them and on all but the SHS also uncoupled. Has anyone had similar experiences? Any thoughts as to fixes for the lateral tension? As to the choo-choo, what choo-choo? The motor and gear noise all but drowns it out if it is even there in the first place. The smoke is fine, if you can get the voltage up high enough, but 1/3 throttle was about all I dared for fear of sending it to the floor from centrifugal force. With 5 cars you can get up a little over 1/2 throttle and the smoke is vaguely noticeable. If you lift the drivers off the rails, but leaving power to the unit, it races and produces tons of smoke. Why not use a constant voltage for the smoke unit and have it run at a lower voltage, just like the constant voltage lighting systems use? That shouldn't have cost too much more. On the positive side, it is still a lot of engine for the money and I have no regrets buying it. Very smooth running and the electronic reverse unit works like a charm. The front and rear lighting is neat also and it has lots of power with good slow speed control, albeit without much smoke. One thing I should mention, be sure to carefully check the enclosed smoke fluid , especially dealers who may be storing these for a while as shipped. Mine was split at the tip of the dropper and had filled its sealed bag with a goodly amount of fluid. That could have really been a mess if the bag containing the fluid had a hole in it. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36712	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: You are invited

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 36713	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2005
Subject: Forgot to Add

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 36714	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Steve's UP 4-6-6-4 photos

http://s-scale.org/albums/albuq19 1 foot = 12 inches Have questions? Contact Steve, his email is Boss31 at aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36715	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Third Rail and Accessories

Jerry Poniatowski wrote: <A fairly typical S gauger! I never had that stuff <with that strange third rail though ;>) < <Jerry Poniatowski Well, my first train set was a Marx M2000 Articulated with that ugly third rail. However, when I got a little older I got rid of that training rail and my Dad picked up a used AF set from my neighbors. I wonder if other 3-railers will begin to see the light now that Mike Wolfe and MTH are producing locos with a switch that allows them to be run on 2-rail with Mike's prediction that 3-rail is headed towards extinction. I guess I am a Flyer guy as I love accessories, and model everything around them. I do like the new stuff (especially SHS and AM) and the S-Trax, but use AF switches and AF track with rubber roadbed for sidings. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36716	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: PLASTICVILLE FOR SALE

HI. selling a lot of plasticville email me off list and I will send you a list of what I have,thanks Lou lglumac@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36717	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: 2005 Flyonel Union Pacific Mikado

Got my Mikado today. Looks and runs great. I don't know if there is anything different, but the sound seems to be less fussy running in non-tmcc mode than the two models from last year. This is with no battery. I usually run tmcc all time and you don't really need the battery with tmcc. Just for a test I did a few starts, stops and circuits in non tmcc mode and the sound was solid if there was enough voltage to make the train move. Don't know that they changed anything, but it seems different. (better) I didn't get the other two down to run them back to back in non-tmcc, but I remember the sound dropping out if the battery was low, or in my case not installed. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36718	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: New "NASG Dispatch"

Received the new NASG DISPATCH membership directory 2005-2006. Wow the pictures of the new American Model and Lionel 4-8-4 Northern Engines. - the Lionel version is a remake of our beloved Gilbert model., nice looking however the American Model is the REAL thing! it will be great to compare the operation of each along with comparing it with our Gilbert unit.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36719	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re;Docksider reveiw

Dale...you're right on about the smoke fluid bottle leaking. Mine did too. Also, the Docksider will pull cars backwards without derailing them, but not forward! Yes I have the same problem with the over tight coupler spring...the spring will come off and be replaced with a small rubber band. Hope that works. Glad you got smoke, mine just produces a few wisps at high voltage. Mine also doesn't pull five Flyer cars, three is about it. No matter, as you say it's worth the money, and mine will get reworked anyway. Stumpy firing up the Dremel in Martins Ferry.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36720	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Docksider reveiw

Possibly time to check sample variations. My sample has no problems with its stock couplers pulling a fairly long consist of 10+ postwar cars either backwards or forwards. The shim return spring for the couplers is OK on my sample. Smoke is wispy but generally visible at about 11 volts or above. I suggest you try LGB smoke fluid. Rather than retype the whole deal, see my full review -- post 36570 -- on September 12. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 9/26/2005 6:34:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Dale...you're right on about the smoke fluid bottle leaking. Mine did too. Also, the Docksider will pull cars backwards without derailing them, but not forward! Yes I have the same problem with the over tight coupler spring...the spring will come off and be replaced with a small rubber band. Hope that works. Glad you got smoke, mine just produces a few wisps at high voltage. Mine also doesn't pull five Flyer cars, three is about it. No matter, as you say it's worth the money, and mine will get reworked anyway. Stumpy firing up the Dremel in Martins Ferry. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36721	From: Ironhorse	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: "S" community

Let me start out with; I am not a Real Estate agent or Developer. This is very "s" gauge related. At least from my point of view. I wonder how many of you would like to live in a community consisting of just "S" gaugers. You would own your own new home with a cellar room for an "S" gauge layout. (All homes are seperated enough so no one would feel hemmed in) All cellars are connected to one Very large cellar with an extremely large "S" layout. Your cellar is seperated by a door for needed security and privacy as needed. Your private layout can be connected to the group layout. I am interested in people that would actualy do it if available. I was thinking of retired people but everyone is welcome in on it. I suppose this would be a hard core "S" gauge club. Comments ? Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36722	From: glshultzsr	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: AF B&O MIKADO STEAM PASSENGER SET

GREETINGS, HAVE ONE #49612 B&O MIKADO PASSENGER SET MINT CONDITION IN ORIGINAL BOXES AND FACTORY SHIPPING CARTON FOR SALE. $995.00 PLUS SHIPPING. CONTACT BY E-MAIL GLSHULTZSR@... OR BY PHONE 419-435-3327. Gerald L Shultz Sr. TCA 72-4915 Fostoria, Ohio 44830

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36723	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: SD-9 & UP Mikado

There has been a lot of discussion on here recently about the Docksider, but I haven't seen any mention yet of the "SD-9" or the UP Mikado. Personally, I was impr3essed with the new SD-9 traction format. It does indeed have 12 wheels....the middle axle on each truck having non-flanged wheels. On the power truck (one), all three axles are powered, and are driven by a series of brass....not plastic or nylon!...gears. Pullmor drivers are also used. Of course, it has new sidefram assemblies representing the 6-wheel trucks. And finally, instead of sliding pickup shoes, these engines incorporate the same small roller-pickups used on the Docksider. Directional lighting is a nice touch, although I'd like to see the cab illuminated in both directions instead of just cab-forward direction. Extra bulbs and extra PM bands are included. I opened and ran the DM&I unit, and I must say that I thought it was an attractive paint scheme.....but maybe it's because it reminds me of the B&M maroon & gold! The shell and frame remain unchanged from the GP7 shell with dynamic brake. Not sure how prototypically-accurate that is..... The SP unit is the popular "bloody nose" gray and red scheme. Although I have the UP Mikado, I have yet to open it and see if any significant changes have taken place since the initial Mikado release. Anyone else???? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36724	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: "S" community

Great idea but too late Roger. This week we start construction on an over 55 cottage in Honey Brook, PA. I will be rebuilding the "Belfry" layout on the second floor starting next April or May. Big move as we downsize our life out in Amish country. I wonder what the Amish will think of an electric toy train layout. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ironhorse" <cofa@...> To: "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "S" community > Let me start out with; I am not a Real Estate agent or Developer. > This is very "s" gauge related. At least from my point of view. > > I wonder how many of you would like to live in a community consisting > of just "S" gaugers. > You would own your own new home with a cellar room for an "S" gauge > layout. (All homes are seperated enough so no one would feel hemmed in) > All cellars are connected to one Very large cellar with an extremely large > "S" layout. Your cellar is seperated by a door for needed security and > privacy > as needed. Your private layout can be connected to the group layout. > I am interested in people that would actualy do it if available. > I was thinking of retired people but everyone is welcome in on it. > I suppose this would be a hard core "S" gauge club. > > Comments ? > > Roger > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36725	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2005
Subject: Re: "S" community

The Amish have a really big electric train layout it's called TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36726	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Docksider reveiw

Stumpy, I am really surprised at your 3 car limit. I do have to admit, though, that they were pretty free rolling cars, 2 Flyonel box cars, (crossing gate and Boys RR Club specials), an SHS billboard reefer, and AF gondola, and an AM wood caboose. Just to see, I took out two cast aluminum streamline coaches and added it to the consist. It moved, but very slowly. Adjusting downward, I was able to pull 3 freight cars plus the two coaches at reasonable speed. Took full throttle but quite a bit of smoke was produced with the higher voltage applied. Funny thing, though, it seemed to run faster in reverse. (strange for a new loco??) As to the coupler tension, I am hoping the spring will get weaker over time. Finally, that leaking smoke fluid is no minor matter. Luckily it stayed contained in the bag, but that is pretty flimsy protection. Had it gotten out it could have been quite a mess. If I were a dealer, I might try to remove the bottles and at least store them separately, or better yet, return them to Lionel. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Docksider reveiw > Dale...you're right on about the smoke fluid bottle leaking. Mine did > too. Also, the Docksider will pull cars backwards without derailing > them, but not forward! Yes I have the same problem with the over > tight coupler spring...the spring will come off and be replaced with a > small rubber band. Hope that works. > Glad you got smoke, mine just produces a few wisps at high voltage. > Mine also doesn't pull five Flyer cars, three is about it. > No matter, as you say it's worth the money, and mine will get > reworked anyway. > Stumpy firing up the Dremel in Martins Ferry. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36727	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: Paints for American Models Passsenger Cars ?

I am attempting a conversion on an American Models full length heavyweight car that is Pullman Green. I will need paint to do touch up as well as to paint the observation car rear. This is a conversion of a cafe car to an observation car. If this project is successful, I may try a conversion of a cafe car to a dining car. I would appreciate recommendations on paint (preferably spray paint) to match the Pullman green. Am also interested in paints to match the maroon and red in the Gulf, Mobile & Ohio heavyweights. ThankS - Earl Henry Jr, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36728	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: I am the new guy

Hey guys I would just like you to know that I am obsessed with american flyer trains and try to go to all the meets and buy off ebay and never sell. Also I just like to look and talk, but since going out of business in 1966 they have become more and more rare. I only collect american flyer and own quite a bit ever since my grandgather past away and got 1/3 the amount passed down to father and now we just buy as much as we can when we have the money. I love to talk about them and will answer any questions to the best of my ability and most likely the same day you email me I will answer. I always wanted to talk about trains and now this is perfect. Geoffrey Faltot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36729	From: faltrain5	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: Guys, where would you use a electric uncoupler on a layout?

I don't need to know how to use its just how would you get it to work on a layout. I do have one for american flyer and just can't figure out a design and how to use it without having problems. I do know how to wire it and work it. I want to know how do you get it to work on a layout without having wrecks and where would it go? Why is it used? How would you get another train to come get it and link it so they take the cars away? Geoff Faltot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36730	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 9/27/2005
Subject: New Docksider derailing car behind

I noticed that my new Docksider was also derailing the car directly behind it on the turns. I replaced the coupler spring with a replacement from Portlines Hobby that is intended for the original flyer Docksider. Presto....fixed, no more de railing. Easy fix guys. The spring that comes with the new Docksider is too strong. Doug better stock up on the Docksider coupler springs. Al Paolozzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36731	From: beebear	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: UP Bigboys

I just happened across a site that has pictures of UP's Bigboys I didn't realize that there was an engine that was made that had a wheel set with 4-8-8-8-4 layout. That must have been an engineering nightmare to build Check here to see the pictures http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36732	From: beebear	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Fw: UP Bigboys

OOPS I should have looked a little closer That was (A photo manipulation. Artist unknown). ----- Original Message ----- From: beebear To: S-group Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: UP Bigboys I just happened across a site that has pictures of UP's Bigboys I didn't realize that there was an engine that was made that had a wheel set with 4-8-8-8-4 layout. That must have been an engineering nightmare to build Check here to see the pictures http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36733	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: AF F9 question

Yo everyone, I just picked up a GN F9 "fat boy" diesel. Not the prettiest engine AF ever made. It had a broken wire going to the non powered front truck. While attempting to detach the truck from the body, I cracked the body right where the slot takes the tab from the truck. I soldered the wire, and glued the body back together. Not my best repair job. When I applied power the motor and the wheels on the drive truck turn, but when you put a load on the wheels, they stop turning and the motor still runs. The truck side gears are aligned, I suspect the worm gear on the vertical motor is loose on the shaft. Anyone have an opinion on this diagnosis? And since now I have to detach the drive truck from the body and don't want to repeat my previous mistake, anyone have a safe way of detaching the truck from the body? Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36734	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: UP Bigboys

In a message dated 9/28/2005 9:23:37 AM Central Daylight Time, beebear@... writes: just happened across a site that has pictures of UP's Bigboys I didn't realize that there was an engine that was made that had a wheel set with 4-8-8-8-4 layout. That must have been an engineering nightmare to build Has the UP legal department served a subpoena over this one ? And don't you think every S gauge pike needs at least one ? Let us know if your scratchbuilt S gauge 4-8-8-8-4 goes through the American Flyer switches OK. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36735	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Firehouse update, Shameless Advertisement

Hi Gang, We finally completed the photo models for two of our new firehouse kits. Hope you like them. Here is a link. Just click on the photos for details. The operating doors remind me of playing with the old Marx gas stations when I was a kid. Such fun! Showing my age...Oops! Early 1950's talk...Kinda fits the Flyer era. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm Thank you all for your support. And a big thank you to the group owner for all the work to keep the group going. Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36736	From: Bob W.	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Guys, where would you use a electric uncoupler on a layout?

Geoff; Were i use mine is on side lines. as an example. On the layout im doing for my museum has three lines that go off. two are a dead end. one goes to the coal tower from the main line. so then i pull in. hit the uncoupler. uncouple the coal car. Back out. Go back on the main line. Then you can return and pick up the car after you load with coal. i do this on another one with the cattle yard. then i have another for passengers but it goes straight through. Ill have a website soon that will show it. Its a small layout, then we are going to build a very large one later in the back room. I hope this maybe explains what I do. Theres alot of clever layouts. Try the personle web sites on the links page. Carl and paul and others have some great layouts to see this sort of idea used. Hope this helps. Yours in model railroading. bob Wight. --- faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: > I don't need to know how to use its just how would > you get it to work > on a layout. I do have one for american flyer and > just can't figure > out a design and how to use it without having > problems. I do know how > to wire it and work it. I want to know how do you > get it to work on a > layout without having wrecks and where would it go? > Why is it used? > How would you get another train to come get it and > link it so they > take the cars away? > > Geoff Faltot > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36737	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Trains Shows in Florida with American Flyer Available

I will be at the following shows just in case you will be in Florida on the appropriate weekends: October 1 - Volusia County Fairgrounds (Deland - Rt 44 off of I-4) 9am to 4pm October 8 - Port St. Lucie Polish Hall 9am to 3pm Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36738	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] ACSG Site?!?

Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> To: "John Degnan" <railscaler@...>; "POST : S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "POST : S Scale Trains Of Today Group" <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com>; "POST : S Scale Model Railroading Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] ACSG Site?!? > Google found me a link at: http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/ > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Degnan" <RailScaler@...> > To: "POST : S-Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "POST : S Scale Trains > Of Today Group" <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com>; "POST : S Scale Model Railroading > Group" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:20 AM > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] ACSG Site?!? > > > > Anyone know what happened to the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers web site? I > can't seem to get it to load. The link I have been using (successfully) for > some time is as follows : > > > > http://www.sgauge.homestead.com/ACSGindex~ns4.html > > > > Have they moved or taken the site down? > > > > > > John Degnan > > RailScaler@... > > Announcing : Seaboard Air Line's B-7 Box Cars In S Scale! > > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. > For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember > to edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or > photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36739	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: RCTHS Train Show Oct 2

The READING COMPANY TECHNICAL and HISTORICAL SOCIETY (RCTHS) semi-annual Train Show/Meet is this Sunday, Oct 2nd in the Leesport Farmers Market Banquet Hall. Leesport is on PA RT 61 North of Reading, South of Hamburg PA. Opens 9 AM to the public, admission is charged at the door. While thought of as a "Scale" show, there is normally much LIONEL, FLYER, MARX etc available. I for one will taking the new UP MIKADO & B&O DOCKSIDER and featuring very attractive pricing on S-Helper Service in-stock items. Plans now include a running 12 piece ALL ABOARD set and possibly others. Food available from local Boy Scouts. Great chance to do last minute shopping before YORK, only days after this meet. Meet Chairman is Dale Miller, _Dalem1955@..._ (mailto:Dalem1955@...) Jim "be looking for you in Leesport" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36740	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: York - share a ride

Wanted someone to share a fride from Florida to York TCA Meet. Airline tickets are out of sight, need a ride. Contact me offiline Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36741	From: Phil K	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: On the topic of restorations, and their value

I notice in the current CTT there is a photo story about repairing (straightening a bent cab roof) and repainting a beat-up Lionel Berkshire from the 1930s. Knowing nothing about L-stuff, I will assume this is a hard-to-find locomotive in any condition and thus would be desirable even as a repaint. I have also read posts here where some hardcores have said it is a mortal sin to repaint Flyer locomotives. In other areas of antique collecting, we find restored/repaired period furniture and oil paintings and china and whatnot -- and the items still have great value. Same goes with classic automobiles, which are repainted and reupholstered and rechromed and still sell for megabucks at auction. If you take a AF junker, which otherwise would end up in a landfill, clean it up and repaint/renumber it, what's the big deal as long as it is not billed or sold as an original? Just looking for some thoughts from others. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36742	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: On the topic of restorations, and their value

Hi Phil and Esteemed Colleagues, It may not be wise to ask for opinions from this group. You are almost asssured of getting some. Here is mine. When I acquire a toy train it is mine to do with as I choose. Sometimes I seek a model with a different appearance from the factory version. Other times I enjoy preserving the evidence that some other kid played with the thing. So, I will restore, repaint, remodel or revere on an individual basis. I take the steps that make me happy. The reason I chose to leave the TCA is that I found the mentality there to be that of 'the landed aristocracy' in Europe. That is, many members of the TCA have already acquired old toy trains in excellent condition (or very good or C8 or whatever) and desire not just to enjoy them, but, to protect their investment. If someone restores a previously ratty toy train, then there will now be one more pretty good one out there and the value of the existing good ones in the bank will be diminished a tad. Do it often enough, and a $1000 old toy train becomes a $500 old toy train. Many train collectors, therefore, in an attempt to maximize the value of their collection choose to denigrate efforts to restore, repaint or redecorate other examples. It is related to why some 'train collectors' are so fond of collecting cardboard boxes. To enjoy the trains in question, do as you will to maximize your enjoyment. If you expect to supplement your income or to impress other collectors, then, you need to take into account the perceived additional value applied to items in 'original' condition. If you want to look at them or to run them, feel free to fix them up and to freshen the paint and decoration. In any case, enjoy those old toy trains as much as the original owners did. Sincerely, Bill Porter > I notice in the current CTT there is a photo story about repairing > (straightening a bent cab roof) and repainting a beat-up Lionel > Berkshire from the 1930s. Knowing nothing about L-stuff, I will assume > this is a hard-to-find locomotive in any condition and thus would be > desirable even as a repaint. > > I have also read posts here where some hardcores have said it is a > mortal sin to repaint Flyer locomotives. In other areas of antique > collecting, we find restored/repaired period furniture and oil > paintings and china and whatnot -- and the items still have great > value. Same goes with classic automobiles, which are repainted and > reupholstered and rechromed and still sell for megabucks at auction. > > If you take a AF junker, which otherwise would end up in a landfill, > clean it up and repaint/renumber it, what's the big deal as long as it > is not billed or sold as an original? > > Just looking for some thoughts from others. > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36743	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.

Now you're in trouble...I've decided to comment! I'm one of those folks who have taken junk American Flyer and put it back in running condition, including paint and decals. I enjoy doing this much more than spending too much money to buy "collectable" trains. Besides, the whole idea is to RUN trains! However, I go well beyond "restoration" as well. I have removed the e-units and AC motors and gone to straight DC operation. I have repainted locos with graphited smokeboxes, brass bells, whistles, pop offs, and handrails, white striped running boards and pilot steps, and tuscan red cab roofs and tender decks. Obviously some of my locos are decaled for B&O, Pennsy, and my own Stone Lines. I do use only cheap Flyer rolling stock, not the highly collectable stuff like the 4-8-4s or 0-8-0s, etc. But as I have been told by folks on this list when I came aboard a year ago; "It's yours, do what you like." I've just taken that to extremes in several cases! Stumpy Stone...the Darth Vader of S gauge...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36744	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Born again Flyer enthusiast

Hi, I am new in real terms and that rarity, a Flyer S gauge enthusiast down-under in Australia. I had a small collection, (an Atlantic, Hudson and K5), but stopped about 10 years ago. Since Gilbert was not marketed here I did not have much opportunity to expand and packed it away in a display case along with the rolling stock I had. Now with eBay and other Net availability I am back and hope to start on a layout soon. I will not be a purist – the fun is the thing and whilst I prefer original I will clean up something on which the paint is mostly unsaveable, though I will preserve as much as possible, especially the original numbers. I won't play around with the electronics though – a degree of unpredictability can be fun but hey if others do that is fine. By the way is there a source for the correct shade of boiler black paint for the locos? Finally my late model K5 (die cast tender) appears to have a factory wrong number. It is 23115. The finish is original. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36745	From: D Stoll	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: On the topic of restorations, and their value

Phil, I agree with Bill and Stumpy. They are yours and you must do what your heart feels. In my collecting for AF I ran across a very nice little used almost prestine 287. I was going to add smoke, chug, convert repaint etc. I did not do it. Somewheree there was a collector that would appreciate it's originality and condition so I resold it. I replaced it with one that needed work cosmetically and mechanically, but I enjoy that part of the hobby too. Accessories fall into the same category. Where there is rust, there is needed sanding, neutralizing, and paint. Touch-up is the same as repaint. Once it is done it enters another class. Does it have to be green and yellow? Answer is only if it looks right on your layout. Some people in this group and other groups prefer to duplicate what they dreamed about as yougsters, and others like to experiment with imagination and make thier investments look more like scale. A 282 engine will always be worth 60 bucks regardless what the road number on the side. I feel that you need to do what your heart tells you to and not neccearily what other people prefer. AC made a lot of them. Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36746	From: knockbill	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Restorations......

Hi I am also one who rebuilds/repaints Flyers, even to the point of rewinding motors to get what I want,usually back to original,,,, Anyone out there who installs the new aftermarket motors & reverse units, & has extra AFG armatures/fields & reverse units left over,let me know, I can use them.... Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36747	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.

First I am a collector first.  I have accumlated from the time I was ten when I received my first Train set which I still have.  I would never think of repainting an engine that should be in a collection or run as its over all condition good or better.  A few years ago I purchased an old 303 Atlantic engine from B & E Junction while Bill B. still owned it.  Some one made an attempt to repaint it.  I had it repainted.  Since than I have aquired several other Atlantics and Pacific engines in very poor condidion, missing parts, would not run, had some of them painted by my grilfriends nephew.  They are repainted in diffrent road names, colors and he gets them running again.  It helped him while he was going through  testing for MS.  He now is back working full time and leading a full and normal life.  I learned that there can be new life in old engines that just need a little TLC.  They look great venture around the track. Tom "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: >Now you're in trouble...I've decided to comment! >  I'm one of those folks who have taken junk American Flyer and put it >back in running condition, including paint and decals.  I enjoy doing >this much more than spending too much money to buy "collectable" >trains.  Besides, the whole idea is to RUN trains! >  However, I go well beyond "restoration" as well.  I have removed the >e-units and AC motors and gone to straight DC operation.  I have >repainted locos with graphited smokeboxes, brass bells, whistles, pop >offs, and handrails, white striped running boards and pilot steps, and >tuscan red cab roofs and tender decks.  Obviously some of my locos are >decaled for B&O, Pennsy, and my own Stone Lines. >  I do use only cheap Flyer rolling stock, not the highly collectable >stuff like the 4-8-4s or 0-8-0s, etc.  But as I have been told by >folks on this list when I came aboard a year ago; "It's yours, do what >you like."  I've just taken that to extremes in several cases! >  Stumpy Stone...the Darth Vader of S gauge...in Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36748	From: Ironhorse	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: "S" Community

There are a number of persons asking more details of my "S" community idea. So I will address them to all of you. This way everone interested can make an informed decision. I hope the moderator considers this topic related. First of all, about me. I am a die hard "S" gauger. Have been since the beginning of time. (My time") way back when. Anyway, I like all aspects of "S" gauge. I am not picky. If it looks good and runs well I am happy. I am near retirement age. I also am into boating and many other things. So about the project; Who? Me and you (hopefully). What? An "S" gauge community with everyones private layout connected to a very large Community "S" layout. Your home would be brand new. Where? Northern NH. Why? Comradere of "S" gaugers can accomplish great things. When? As soon as enough guys commit to the project. The ball could start right away if enough people say "I'm in" right now. I don't expect a response that quick, twoud be nice though. How? After deposits are recieved I would 1: Purchase property 2: Get interconnected foundations put into place. This consists of your home foundation with a private door opening into the large community cellar. Note: all cellars are finished off with paneling The Community area is the quality of a new home. 3: Your home would be ordered after you select your style. 4: The layout; A quick layout would be built around the wall. This would give you a place to run your trains while the final layout is being built in the center of the room. Activities in the area; Hunting, fishing, mountain climbing, swimming, horse back riding, boating' bike trails, golf, Etc. Shopping; Big box stores are nearby but not to excess. Small downtown stores. Lots of antique shops. "S" gauge, Doug Peck has his shop in NH. Running Trains? Betcha thought I wouldn't get to that. 1: The cog Railroad 2: North Conway Scenic railroad 3: White mountain Central (at Clarks trading post) 4: The hobo RR. 5: A few of the attractions (theme parks) run Narrow gauge trains. 6: Crossroads of America. A museum owned by me. "S" layout on display. 7: Boston MA; A great place to take field trips to see the cities trains or ride the subways. 8: Howie's trains. A small museum with an "S" layout. 9: Hartman's, A good size train and toy museum. Misc: No Income tax, No sales tax, No hurricanes, No volcanoes. Comments ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36749	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: S-Gauge Model Railroading Volume VIII

Volume VIII has been canceled as of 9-28-05. We need more participants to be able to afford the minimum 50 DVD/VHS tapes that we must initially order. Release date was to have been October 1st. Those that have sent in orders so far will be refunded or can be held until a future date of release. Let us know your wishes on this. Regards, Steve S-'n-S Trains American Flyer replacement can motors S-Gauge Videos American Flyer repair S and O gauge track cleaners 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 SnStrains@... www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36750	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 9/28/2005
Subject: Re: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.

Stumpy et al, I was sitting in a luncheon palace the other day eating my tuna on pita as directed by my dietitian and cardiologist, when in walks two guys who ask for burgers and fries. They are told that artery cloggers aren't sold there and they are forced to order something more refined. After they sit down and begin eat, I overheard their conversation about motorcycles and corvettes and then it turned to model trains. The older guy who did most of the talking, says that he loves old trains because they're like old cars (He's a Lionel Collector). To paraphrase the conversation, "These are fifty and sixty year old trains that you can keep on running forever, sort of like an old Indian or Harley. Hell, I'm as old or older than my trains. You can fix them, yourself. What happens when the circuit boards on new cars or trains go out after fifteen or twenty years? The average life cycle on boards is ten to fifteen years if your lucky. The military has a hell of a problem trying to get old chips and boards to keep their systems going. (As an example, They stopped making the chip for my GE wall oven and I had to get a new oven and that's after less then ten years). So you wire the motor direct and hope you don't drop it and shatter the plastic otherwise it becomes a hanger queen. With the old stuff, you keep on running and running. My wife dragged me away before I could put my two cents in, but they were still going at it as I left. So based on the above and your thoughts, maybe one of the advantages of this hobby is that old trains don't go away, they are just recirculated and operated by shade tree mechanics and the new ones with all of the special effects eventually revert to sitting in expensive cabinets where they are salivated over and dusted once a month. Thoughts? May the force be with you! Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36751	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Re;on the topic of restorations and their value.

What we are moving towards, for better or worse, is a fusion of hard/soft/firmware chips and strings that will be put into our brains, our fingers and our trains. And through nanotechnology, they will be self-repairing and self-replicating. But in my heart of hearts I know there will never be a recreation of that golden era at holiday time with the American Flyer (or Lionel, as the case may be) chuffing away under the bubble-light decorated tree, that never-to-be-forgotten special smell of the Gilbert smoke, and my dog Spec on my lap. No amount of electronic gizmos will bring that back...I think it is a moment that will never be truly experienced by youngins today, and that is unfortunate. IMHO... Roy Inman Buying flea market bubble lights in Lenexa. > From: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:59:10 -0400 > To: 'Stumpy Stone' <mrstumpy@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re;on the topic of restorations and their value. > > So based on the above and your thoughts, maybe one of the advantages of this > hobby is that old trains don't go away, they are just recirculated and > operated by shade tree mechanics and the new ones with all of the special > effects eventually revert to sitting in expensive cabinets where they are > salivated over and dusted once a month. > > Thoughts?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36752	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community

I hate to rain on your parade as this is an intriguing proposition, but the devil is, as they say, in the details. As a lawyer with significant real estate experience, I can't help but think about some of the legal complications, such as zoning and title problems? As freedom loving as New Hampshire is, I am sure that they too, have zoning requirements. In any case, these dwellings would probably be considered to be zero lot line dwellings, since they would adjoin and require compatible zoning. Do you propose tennancy in common, which could be problematic if someone has to move and sell. Could they only sell to S-Gaugers? Might limit the marketability of the house somewhat, assuming that such a restriction would even be enforceable. If you are thinking more in terms of a planned unit development or condominium type of ownership, that's another hurdle of complying with the state requirements for such developments and you would have the same problems in terms of marketability. Would you allow multi scalers or would dabbling in O, HO or N, be grounds for fines? What about someone who leaves the hobby? Would they be forced to sell? I truly enjoy the hobby, but I am married and I doubt my wife would like to let the decision of where to live be guided by my hobby. I also don't know whether I want to do that either, as there are many other considerations I would consider in determining where to live other than the hobby. Finally, while New England has a lot of attractions and I love to visit, it will still freeze your toes off in the Winter. I like it where a cold winter gets down to maybe 45 degrees and a hot summer day is maybe 82, with no humidity. Dale Smith in Sunny Pacifica, California. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ironhorse" <cofa@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale Group" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "S" Community > There are a number of persons asking more details of my "S" community > idea. > So I will address them to all of you. This way everone interested can > make an > informed decision. > > I hope the moderator considers this topic related. > > First of all, about me. I am a die hard "S" gauger. Have been > since the beginning > of time. (My time") way back when. > Anyway, I like all aspects of "S" gauge. I am not picky. If it looks > good and runs > well I am happy. > I am near retirement age. I also am into boating and many other things. > > So about the project; > > Who? Me and you (hopefully). > What? An "S" gauge community with everyones private layout > connected to a very large > Community "S" layout. Your home would be brand new. > Where? Northern NH. > Why? Comradere of "S" gaugers can accomplish great things. > When? As soon as enough guys commit to the project. The ball could > start right away if > enough people say "I'm in" right now. I don't expect > a response that quick, twoud > be nice though. > How? After deposits are recieved I would > 1: Purchase property > 2: Get interconnected foundations put into place. > This consists of your home foundation with a > private door opening into the > large community cellar. Note: all cellars are > finished off with paneling > > The Community area is the quality of a > > new home. > 3: Your home would be ordered after you select your > style. > 4: The layout; A quick layout would be built > around the wall. This would give you > a place to run your trains > while the final layout is being built in the > center of the room. > > Activities in the area; > Hunting, fishing, mountain climbing, swimming, > horse back riding, boating' > bike trails, golf, Etc. > Shopping; Big box stores are nearby but not to excess. Small > downtown stores. Lots of > antique shops. "S" gauge, Doug Peck has his > shop in NH. > > Running Trains? Betcha thought I wouldn't get to that. > 1: The cog Railroad > 2: North Conway Scenic railroad > 3: White mountain Central (at Clarks trading > post) > 4: The hobo RR. > 5: A few of the attractions (theme parks) > run Narrow gauge trains. > 6: Crossroads of America. A museum owned by > me. "S" layout > on display. > 7: Boston MA; A great place to take field > trips to see the cities trains > or ride the subways. > 8: Howie's trains. A small museum with an > "S" layout. > 9: Hartman's, A good size train and toy > museum. > > Misc: No Income tax, No sales tax, No hurricanes, No volcanoes. > > Comments ? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36753	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: On the topic of restorations, and their value

I'm with you, Phil. I am proud to put my TCA "RESTORED" sticker on an item I've revived. And, if the parts bin gets clogged with boilers and frames, a happy marriage of incompletes can yield something Gilbert never made-a 290 boiler, Atlantic tender and a 5 digit pacific chassis=a Hunter Green New Haven Shoreliner (courtesy of HO decals). I ID such things. As parts resources, they're redundant. No attempt to defraud anyone, just to get more running. In the case of restoration, I don't hold to the view of "don't touch it." If it's beat and doesn't run, it has no value-God and A.C. didn't intend them to sit forever in their boxes. They're TOYS fer gawdsake. Think about the "box collectors" who've got Lionel engines with factory provided 9 v batteries in sealed boxes. Oh, boy, an original burst battery damaged, MIB Hudson. No thanks-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36754	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: AF F9 question

<<<I suspect the worm gear on the vertical motor is loose on the shaft. Anyone have an opinion on this diagnosis? And since now I have to detach the drive truck from the body and don't want to repeat my previous mistake, anyone have a safe way of detaching the truck from the body?>>> I would be more likely to suspect the plastic gear on the drive axle is cracked and slipping.....very common problem with these F9s. We have replacement gears for these engines, but we had them made out of brass for this exact reason. At the moment, I am out-of-stock, but am having a new run of them made right now. Hope to have them available again in about a month. Removing the shell......I use Snap-On O-ring pliers to GENTLY spread the shell sides apart. As I've mentioned in prior posts, these O-ring pliers are great for spreading parts with minimal and gentle force.....good control of pressure. Other examples of use for them---- gently spreading the sides of the e-unit to remove the drum for cleaning----spreading the sides of KC trucks (put pressure on the metal tabs, NOT on the cast sideframes!) to remove axles. The key to the Snap-On tool is that they have long handles, giving you a lot of mechanical advantage with very little effort. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36755	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: NTTM Parking Info for York Wednesday

Folks, Hoping that thousands of you are coming to the National Toy Train Museum (NTTM) on York WEDNESDAY, October 12th. I am providing an important PARKING UPDATE. All of the Volunteer Parking Crew members ask that you check this out and make your visit to NTTM more enjoyable. Parking is now available at : CHOO CHOO BARN, RT 741 East of Strasburg On RIGHT Eastbound, (new location) great friends, we welcome their participation. STRASBURG RAILROAD, RT 741 East of Strasburg, on LEFT Eastbound from Strasburg, please enter at "J" Tower end of lot and follow to opposite end of parking area and park on lower paved area to your left, bus will pick you up on way thru. Great friends, been with us for years. RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PENNSYLVANIA, RT 741 East of Strasburg, on RIGHT, park in lower lot, meet at stairway. More great friends of TCA, also been with us for years. RED CABOOSE MOTEL, Paradise Lane after turning left at traffic light from RT 741, trackside entrance ONLY. Entrance closest to NTTM is exit for Motel guests. Please park in area closest to tracks, near Buggy Rides. PLEASE DO NOT park at motel rooms, that parking is for their guests only. Change in ownership, great new friends and neighbors. NTTM, only Northbound vehicles on Paradise Lane will be allowed to enter NTTM lot, southbound will be directed to other lots. ONE WAY traffic only thru the lot on this day, safer for all concerned. Handicapped Parking is limited, meets the Federal requirements. You may drop off a Handicapped passenger and then proceed to a shuttle lot, we CANNOT guarantee parking at NTTM. PLEASE have your Handicapped Placard visible to the Parking Crew, not hidden under a seat. BUS PARKING is for BUS PARKING and long RV'S only. A "parking staff" vehicle may be there from time to time as it can be easily removed. More RV spaces at end of lot, rear row. Crew member will direct you. We "reserve" spaces at the sidewalk entrance to NTTM to facilitate the days programming and that will not change, nor will they be given up. PLEASE DO NOT move our cones. We park staff , volunteers and National Officers/Committee members who might be in lengthy meetings in the grass with our staff, only. Utilizing parking off the "hardscape" requires crew members we do not have. We provide a SHUTTLE BUS, running from 9 AM til 6 PM, easier and quicker way to get to NTTM PLUS the other aforementioned attractions. SHUTTLE BUS-- The bus runs on an approximate 15 minute headway, covering the stops in rotation. This is a full-size passenger vehicle, easy to enter and exit. No need to crawl over seats or neighbors. Our first shuttle bus passenger in the spring lives prox 15 minutes from NTTM and rode in from the RAILROAD MUSEUM, thought it would be easier. It WAS. FOOD--Restaurant at the RED CABOOSE MOTEL is open from 8 AM til at least 6 PM. Menu dining. DINING CAR RESTAURANT at STRASBURG RAILROAD is open from 11:30 AM til 4 PM. Order at counter, seating inside and outside at picnic tables (weather permitting). ISSAC'S DELI opens at 11 AM at the CHOO CHOO BARN complex. Menu dining. The SHOPPES At TRAINTOWN (CHOO CHOO BARN) are also open, as is the STRASBURG RR, RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PENNSYLVANIA and the Gift Shop at the RED CABOOSE, easy walking distance. ANY member can ride the shuttle at any time to visit any of the shuttle stops from 9 AM til 6 PM. IF you have a problem, please explain to the Parking Crew member closest to you, IF they cannot solve it, they are ALL radio equipped, we will try to get it solved. IF you feel you need to "vent" on someone, find ME, there are only 9 volunteers out of over 30,000 members who are willing to walk the lots for this day, we CAN'T afford to lose any one of them. Thanks, looking forward to seeing YOU on York Wednesday. Jim Lyle, M & E Committee--Parking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36756	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: AF F9 question

>Subject: AF F9 question > >Yo everyone, > >I just picked up a GN F9 "fat boy" diesel. Not the prettiest engine AF ever made. It had a broken wire going to the non powered front truck. While attempting to detach the truck from the body, I cracked the body right where the slot takes the tab from the truck. I soldered the wire, and glued the body back together. Not my best repair job. When I applied power the motor and the wheels on the drive truck turn, but when you put a load on the wheels, they stop turning and the motor still runs. The truck side gears are aligned, I suspect the worm gear on the vertical motor is loose on the shaft. Anyone have an opinion on this diagnosis? And since now I have to detach the drive truck from the body and don't want to repeat my previous mistake, anyone have a safe way of detaching the truck from the body? > >Regards > >Bob Moyer > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Most likely it is the plastic gear on the truck that meets the worm gear - they tend to get stripped by the worm gear. Brass replacements are available, BUT: they are not an exact match; the fit is very fussy; and they also can end up getting stripped. I've replaced this gear twice on an F-9 and ended up with a stripped gear both times. It is now for shelf display only. As for removing the truck, you need to bend the metal support a little. - Roy -- Roy E. Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36757	From: laing48185	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Track Gauge for Gargraves?

My question: Does any one know of a commercially available track gauge that suits Gargraves size rail or how to construct one?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36758	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] "S" Community

Just FYI, and in case no one else has pointed it out, there is a radio control model airplane community somewhere in Florida. I have seen ads and photographs of the "city" in a couple of different magazines. Not the same logistics, but a similar concept. The members all live in cluster homes, surrounded by a state-of-the-art model airplane flying field. Roy Inman > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:58:48 -0700 > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Scale Group > <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, Ironhorse <cofa@...> > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] "S" Community > > Finally, while New England has a lot of attractions and I love to visit, it > will still freeze your toes off in the Winter. I like it where a cold > winter gets down to maybe 45 degrees and a hot summer day is maybe 82, with > no humidity.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36759	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community

There is a model of this type "Community" in Flordia. It is for people that own their own airplanes. There is if I remember one main runway with tower. Each house has a hanger & depending on lot size the room for small as well as rather large craft. John Travolta is one of it's owners & has at least 2 planes & copter there. One plane being a comm. airliner. They all seem to be very happy there. But take in mind while they have the same interests, they are really not required to interact with each other. Yes if they sell they must sell to another of the same interest in flying & if I again remember right , there is an appoval group for addmission to their circle. Again this is something I have seen on a TV program. I must get back to my trains & turn off the TV as I have gotten too much info on subjects like this & some but litte on trains, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36760	From: briggsmodels	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: New Website

I would like to invite everyone to visit the Briggs Models website. We are about to embark on a manufacturing program in S scale brass, and we value input on our projects. Don't forget to take a look at our Current Products page! The website is still quite simple and fresh, but keep checking back frequently for updates. www.freewebs.com/briggsmodels/ Jeff Briggs Briggs Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36761	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community

I know I misspelled littLe in the last post. Along with a few others I did not catch. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36762	From: briggsmodels	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: New Website

I would like to invite everyone to visit the Briggs Models website. We are about to embark on a manufacturing program in S scale brass, and we value input on our projects. Don't forget to take a look at our Current Products page! The website is still quite simple and fresh, but keep checking back frequently for updates. www.freewebs.com/briggsmodels/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36763	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2804

This letter got my juices going. I've got about 28 old AF engines and I plan on keeping them restored and running. I've have modified a few (non running AC to DC), made powered B units connected to A units reverses and love to fix junkers. I also keep a old Honda 500 running and my car is 10 years old and approaching 200k. I even still have a laserdisc player 3 Beta decks, and old Macs. Keep 'em running by any means while you eat a couple of burgers (add onion soup mix and bar-b-q- sauce) You gotta use your skills and enjoy. Tom Hillery ...................................... I was sitting in a luncheon palace the other day eating my tuna on pita as directed by my dietitian and cardiologist, when in walks two guys who ask for burgers and fries. They are told that artery cloggers aren't sold there and they are forced to order something more refined. After they sit down and begin eat, I overheard their conversation about motorcycles and corvettes and then it turned to model trains. The older guy who did most of the talking, says that he loves old trains because they're like old cars (He's a Lionel Collector). To paraphrase the conversation, "These are fifty and sixty year old trains that you can keep on running forever, sort of like an old Indian or Harley. Hell, I'm as old or older than my trains. You can fix them, yourself. What happens when the circuit boards on new cars or trains go out after fifteen or twenty years? The average life cycle on boards is ten to fifteen years if your lucky. The military has a hell of a problem trying to get old chips and boards to keep their systems going. (As an example, They stopped making the chip for my GE wall oven and I had to get a new oven and that's after less then ten years). So you wire the motor direct and hope you don't drop it and shatter the plastic otherwise it becomes a hanger queen. With the old stuff, you keep on running and running. My wife dragged me away before I could put my two cents in, but they were still going at it as I left. So based on the above and your thoughts, maybe one of the advantages of this hobby is that old trains don't go away, they are just recirculated and operated by shade tree mechanics and the new ones with all of the special effects eventually revert to sitting in expensive cabinets where they are salivated over and dusted once a month. Thoughts? May the force be with you! Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36764	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Quartering Northern drivers

I have read here that drive wheels on properly-quartered AF locomotives have main rods on one side attached at either 90 or 87 degrees to the other. Before I read that, though, I tried to eyeball-quarter a Northern the other day without much success and will soon be ordering the special tool I hear is necessary to accomplish this. I only removed one driver -- it was loose, and kept coming off the axel, and needed to be tightened up (adjusted with a ball peen hammer on both sides). It was the driver on the axel with the gear (nearest the cab) and I so I lined it up with the three other wheels on that side using the main rod. I never removed the main rod from those other three wheels and thought this would make it easier to get No. 4 back into place by eyeballing. It still kept binding the main rod, though, and so I did followup research on Doug Peck's website clinics and found out why. But here's the problem -- none of the wheels still left attached to the main rod on that side were even close to being 90 or 87 degrees to the corresponding wheels on the other side. I looked at five other Northerns and three of them were similarly set up -- one side is maybe 20 degrees in relation to the other, and certainly not 87 or 90 degrees as I read. So my question is: How does this happen if all four wheels on a side are connected (held in quarter) with a main rod and also connected via axel to wheels on the opposite side? If it left the factory set at either 87 or 90 degrees, how can four wheels on one side get so far out of proper quarter? This mystifies me because it occurs several times on different 4-8-4s I have. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36765	From: Phil K	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Followup on quartering

One more question: If the drive wheels are out-of-quarter on a locomotive, would that contributed to "wobbling" especially on curves? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36766	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: docksider.....

WOW..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=6001347847&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36767	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: re;Docksider

WOW...almost doesn't make it! $165. for a brand new Flyonel loco that I just got at my local hobby shop for $95.?!? What's that old saying about "a fool and his money soon being parted?" I'm not sure if I'd hang the seller as being crooked, or the buyer for being a moron! Hey, I wonder if the buyer could use a 282 customized into a semi streamlined loco and painted B&O blue for $800.? For an extra $400. I'll prepare a couple of matching New Haven cars! Stumpy Stone...shocked into disbelief in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36768	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: re;Docksider

Stumpy...... I think its called supply and demand.... Those who have DEMAND what they want..... check it.... Notice I quit bidding way back around 50 - 60 dollars..... I used to buy 4.99 items from toy liquidators..... list on e-bay..... 20 - 80 each......I know of people who visit the Glass Plants at Milton..... buy a pile and sell them fast.....and at a good profit....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re;Docksider > WOW...almost doesn't make it! $165. for a brand new Flyonel loco that > I just got at my local hobby shop for $95.?!? What's that old saying > about "a fool and his money soon being parted?" > I'm not sure if I'd hang the seller as being crooked, or the buyer > for being a moron! > Hey, I wonder if the buyer could use a 282 customized into a semi > streamlined loco and painted B&O blue for $800.? For an extra $400. > I'll prepare a couple of matching New Haven cars! > Stumpy Stone...shocked into disbelief in Appalachia. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36769	From: beebear	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: "S" Community

That's ok Mike If we were all English Majors we probably wouldn't be on here talking about trains!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <dfsmith26@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "S" Community > I know I misspelled littLe in the last post. Along with a few others I did > not catch. Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36770	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider

Well my understanding is that the Docksiders sold out. There was a shortage of Docksiders before this new release, and since they did not make enough of them to satisfy the demand in the rerelease, hence the high price. Darn, I ordered two of them, with the idea of kitbashing one of them. Now they are collectable already! This is one engine that L should have made enough of to have some supply on shelves.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36771	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 9/29/2005
Subject: Trains and bubble lights

Roy, et al., If you are looking for bubble lights in flea markets to complete your memory recreation of Flyer trains, there is a hardware store two blocks from my house that still sells brand new bubble light strings. Want some? (I didn't have to do much to convince my wife to get them) Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36772	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re;reDocksider

Wow and wow again! The Docksider sold out? No more to be had? Never to be made again? Prices skyrocketing? I finally have something somebody wants...and worth more than I paid for it? I may have to give up being a nasty kitbasher and become a greedy bloodsucker! I should run right out and buy all I can, then hoard them for a few weeks and turn around and triple the price. Think of it a brand new $95. loco for $300.! A Docksider worth as much as a 4- 8-4! Or perhaps I should buy up half a dozen, kitbash three of them heavily so the others will be even more rare, and then sell the other three at $600. each! But gee, I need the money to go to the train show in Berea this weekend, not in a few months. Oh...decisions, decisions.......;-) Stumpy Stone...laughing all the way (to the bank?) in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36773	From: Jeff Silvera	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Toy Train Meet

On Saturday October 1st, Is our aunnal River City Toy Train Meet, at the Scottish Rite Center, from 10:00AM to 3:00PM, Sacramento, Ca. 6151 H street. This meet is put on by our local TTOS, Sacramento Valley Division... For info. contact Me at (916)481-4694 Or afjeff_56@... Jeff Silvera <afjeff56> PS Yes there will be American Flyer There!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36774	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider

A pile was made. It is way too early to bid one of these engines up. The Santa Fes are shipping just this week. Checking with a few dealers (particularly one of the "Big 10") will still yield up a B&O. I would certainly have given our friend Doug a call first before bothering with ebay. <wink> Bob Bubeck In a message dated 9/30/2005 1:33:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, myflyertrains@... writes: This is one engine that L should have made enough of to have some supply on shelves. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36775	From: beebear	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: trains and bubble lights

There is a place up in Michigan called Bronners that sells bubble light sets Here is the link to the bubble lights site http://www.bronners.net/1022176.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trains and bubble lights > Roy, et al., > > If you are looking for bubble lights in flea markets to complete your > memory recreation of Flyer trains, there is a hardware store two > blocks from my house that still sells brand new bubble light strings. > Want some? (I didn't have to do much to convince my wife to get them) > > Jerry Poniatowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36776	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: Re;reDocksider

Stumpy..... It could be true.... strange as it seems back in 1960 there was a small date penny...... so many BU rolls were put away that to find a circulated, worn one, cost more than a new one..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 5:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;reDocksider > Wow and wow again! The Docksider sold out? No more to be had? Never > to be made again? Prices skyrocketing? I finally have something > somebody wants...and worth more than I paid for it? > I may have to give up being a nasty kitbasher and become a greedy > bloodsucker! I should run right out and buy all I can, then hoard > them for a few weeks and turn around and triple the price. Think of > it a brand new $95. loco for $300.! A Docksider worth as much as a 4- > 8-4! > Or perhaps I should buy up half a dozen, kitbash three of them > heavily so the others will be even more rare, and then sell the other > three at $600. each! But gee, I need the money to go to the train show > in Berea this weekend, not in a few months. > Oh...decisions, decisions.......;-) > Stumpy Stone...laughing all the way (to the bank?) in Martins Ferry, > OH. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36777	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider

I also expect we will see them a York next week..... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <myflyertrains@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Docksider >A pile was made. > > It is way too early to bid one of these engines up. The Santa Fes are > shipping just this week. Checking with a few dealers (particularly one of > the "Big > 10") will still yield up a B&O. I would certainly have given our friend > Doug a > call first before bothering with ebay. <wink> > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 9/30/2005 1:33:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > myflyertrains@... writes: > This is one engine that L should have made enough of to have some supply > on > shelves. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36778	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Gilbert Hall of Science- NYC

NYC Transit Busses, a book that just came out, has a Mack bus in front of the Hall of Science. It is on page # 9. I should say the bus is at Madison Se --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36779	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Hall of Science

Sorry hit a wrong key. The bus is at Madison Square at 25th street. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36780	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: S Community

Roy, The RC field to which you refer is located in the Orlando area. Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... Roy Inman writes: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:46:14 -0500 From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: "S" Community Just FYI, and in case no one else has pointed it out, there is a radio control model airplane community somewhere in Florida. I have seen ads and photographs of the "city" in a couple of different magazines. Not the same logistics, but a similar concept. The members all live in cluster homes, surrounded by a state-of-the-art model airplane flying field. Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36781	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: York and S Gauge Happenings

Hey Gang re: YORK TCA celebrating ONE YEAR of my conversion from O Gauge 3 railing it to the wonderful world of 3/16" 1/4" Scale S Gauge railroading. Please advise all of the "S" things I need to do and see, used to handing around with the THREE Railers, so I appreciate your help. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36782	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Re: York and S Gauge Happenings

Jerry, So glad you decided to see the light and join the inner circle (enough cliches or do I go on???) I once attempted to paint out the "third" rail on the TCA Logo on the Main Office door, almost had the paint when I was asked exactly what I was doing. Did have the brush in my hand. I am relatively sure the "S" layout at NTTM will be in full operation on York Wednesday. Others will have to fill you in on the rest, I live too close to be involved??? Barb is the "Arranger" for all things wonderful in "S" . IF she were a banker, she could be the "Loan Arranger". Oh, well, tonto for now. Jim "we have a parking space for you" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36783	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/30/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 2, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36784	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: S Gauge Track

Maybe this got answered and I missed it but I need to know if anyone makes S gauge track that snaps together. Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36785	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

S Helper Service. ww.showcaseline.com > From: mvandiver2@... > Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:31:10 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge Track > > Maybe this got answered and I missed it but I need to know if anyone makes S > gauge track that snaps together. Thanks. Mike Vandiver > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36786	From: Phil K	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but American Models and S-Helper Service both make S track that "snaps" together. The AM track is rails and ties, while the SHS issue is rails, ties and built-in roadbed. You can see more on their websites. http://americanmodels.com http://showcaseline.com Phil K ********************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mvandiver2@a... wrote: > Maybe this got answered and I missed it but I need to know if anyone makes S > gauge track that snaps together. Thanks. Mike Vandiver > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36787	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: DELAND SHOW

I didn't buy much...... But a friend who was with me found a b & o docksider.....80.00..... 307 not running 5.00..... the 4 pass set in 900 series 350.00...... kc cattle loader in the ob....nice 90.00...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36788	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] "S" Community

Dale Smith wrote: >I hate to rain on your parade as this is an intriguing proposition, but the >devil is, as they say, in the details. As a lawyer with significant real >estate experience, I can't help but think about some of the legal >complications, such as zoning and title problems? > This would be done as "cluster housing". > New Hampshire is, I am sure that they too, have zoning requirements. > Some towns up here have almost no rules. You can do what you want ! > In any >case, these dwellings would probably be considered to be zero lot line >dwellings, > Zero dot. ??? >since they would adjoin and require compatible zoning. Do you >propose tennancy in common, which could be problematic if someone has to >move and sell. Could they only sell to S-Gaugers? > Any person can move and sell to anyone they want. > Might limit the >marketability of the house somewhat, assuming that such a restriction would >even be enforceable. > That restriction won't be mandatory. However I would request that "S" gaugers be given first shot of a sale. >If you are thinking more in terms of a planned unit >development or condominium type of ownership, that's another hurdle of >complying with the state requirements for such developments and you would >have the same problems in terms of marketability. > > Often state rules in NH yeild to town rules. If the town says OK the state probably will to. >Would you allow multi scalers or would dabbling in O, HO or N, be grounds >for fines? > Actualy smaller scales in the background give depth preception. Anyway I don't discriminate, period. With the exception of trouble makers. They can start their own community. > What about someone who leaves the hobby? Would they be forced >to sell? > > Of course not. >I truly enjoy the hobby, but I am married and I doubt my wife would like to >let the decision of where to live be guided by my hobby. > Aparently you haven't seen the mountains of NH. Everyone falls in love with the natural beauty. > I also don't know >whether I want to do that either, as there are many other considerations I >would consider in determining where to live other than the hobby. > >Finally, while New England has a lot of attractions and I love to visit, it >will still freeze your toes off in the Winter. I like it where a cold >winter gets down to maybe 45 degrees and a hot summer day is maybe 82, with >no humidity. > > True But you won't find sking, & snow machines use in your area. We dont' have major rain storms, forest fires and all the other natural calamities. >Dale Smith in Sunny Pacifica, California. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36789	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: "S" community

Been there, seen it. I plan something bigger and better. FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: >The Amish have a really big electric train layout it's called TCA > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36790	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Cleaning old rail stock

I have quite a bit of old Flyer that I want to restore. Mostly I have to clean the grease from the wheels and axles and wash the plastic. I am looking for a good degreaser for the wheels and a safe way to clean the cars. I have tried Isopropyl Alcohol on the wheels. It will take off the grease but also seems to dissolve the plastic. Now I did not notice this problem previously. Plastic cleaning. Alcohol has removed the paint and silkscreen on some cars. Soap (Ivory Dishwashing Liquid) and water took the paint off one green car. Does anyone have a method that works? Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36791	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: New Flyonel Docksider Questions

After having my docksider for a little over a day now, I have some questions maybe someone can answer. The manual says to listen for "... the Choo-Choo mechanical chuffing sounds." Well I have listened and I hear nothing but the click of the rollers on the track joints. Is this supposed to be some electronically produced sound, or is it REALLY done mechanically in some way like the old AF? If electronic, do the smoke and direction lock switches affect it? (Doesn't seem logical but I have to ask). Secondly, I occasionally have to give my loco a nudge after applying power in order to get it moving; otherwise it just sits there dead as a door nail. Anyone else experiencing this? This kind of negates any switching type activities I might want to run. This loco runs really well when it does move, and smokes an acceptable amount if not generously, so I am happy with that aspect of it given the price. I would be interested in anyone's thoughts and experiences. The PA Flyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36792	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: New Flyonel Docksider Questions

In reply, I can only tell you what mine is like. The chuffing is indeed mechanical, but comes from an HO sized piston. You have to really listen for it. The piston looks like a shrunken version of the Flyer one, and it's not nearly as loud. The position of the lock switches don't affect it at all. As far as the hesitation upon start up, that's the way the reverse unit works. In the pamphlet that came with the loco, it states this. There is a two second hesitation if you let it sit for five seconds or longer. I also have a Flyonel Great Northern EP-5 that behaves the same way. (BTW, that GN GP-5 was a bargain since it includes Cab Chatter and sounds, but I digress). In regular switching activities, it seems to operate well enough. If yours does differently, it may be defective. My loco barely puts out any smoke at all. I have to apply full power and even then you have to REALLY look to see anything. But the bottom line is that I would buy another one at the drop of a hat. A very nice loco for the price. Smooth running and pulls well enough for the purpose it fills. Decoration is nice and since I can't afford a Gilbert docksider, this one is just great. And as far as the coupler derailing trailing cars, I just filed a bit of the spring to shorten it. It seems to work fine. I just wish the front light weren't so blue. The rear one is whiter. But that's not a real complaint, just an observation. Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "paflyrman" <4567@c...> wrote: > After having my docksider for a little over a day now, I have some > questions maybe someone can answer. The manual says to listen > for "... the Choo-Choo mechanical chuffing sounds." Well I have > listened and I hear nothing but the click of the rollers on the > track joints. Is this supposed to be some electronically produced > sound, or is it REALLY done mechanically in some way like the old > AF? If electronic, do the smoke and direction lock switches affect > it? (Doesn't seem logical but I have to ask). > > Secondly, I occasionally have to give my loco a nudge after applying > power in order to get it moving; otherwise it just sits there dead > as a door nail. Anyone else experiencing this? This kind of negates > any switching type activities I might want to run. > > This loco runs really well when it does move, and smokes an > acceptable amount if not generously, so I am happy with that aspect > of it given the price. I would be interested in anyone's thoughts > and experiences. > > The PA Flyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36793	From: Fred Alles	Date: 10/1/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning old rail stock

I use the product "Goo Gone" for the wheels and grease in general. I try to scrape off the excess dried oils from the wheels first and then use Q-Tips with the Goo Gone to clean them down to the plastic. You can get Goo Gone at most any store like Walmart/K-mart, etc., and grocery stores. It doesn't harm plastic or paint that I have ever seen and I have cleaned many cars and wheels. Alcohol is very harmful to paint so don't use that. I also destroyed the paint on one side of a mint 613 Boxcar trying to clean wheels with alcohol but failed to keep it off the paint and lettering. What a mess in just seconds. Learned the hard way. I use Dawn Dishwashing detergent for the cars but be careful with the paper decals since water will damage/discolor them and even remove them from the cars. So far I haven't seen any damage to paint from diluted Dawn soap. Good luck. Fred On 10/1/05 5:42 PM, "Robert E. Yablonski" <yabo1@...> wrote: > > I have quite a bit of old Flyer that I want to restore. Mostly I have to > clean the grease from the wheels and axles and wash the plastic. > > I am looking for a good degreaser for the wheels and a safe way to clean the > cars. > > I have tried Isopropyl Alcohol on the wheels. It will take off the grease > but also seems to dissolve the plastic. Now I did not notice this problem > previously. > > Plastic cleaning. Alcohol has removed the paint and silkscreen on some > cars. Soap (Ivory Dishwashing Liquid) and water took the paint off one > green car. Does anyone have a method that works? > > Robert E. Yablonski > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36794	From: jeff briggs	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: New Website

Please excuse my unfortunate choosing of the previous website. Our new site is on our local cable provider. www.members.shaw.ca/briggsmodels Thank you. Jeff Briggs Briggs Models __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36795	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Video of UP Mikado

I have placed some video of my UP Mikado at the location below. Click on the link. http://www.mwkiner.com/video/ You will see a directory. (or use the direct links below) There are three sizes of video for the UP mikado. They are approximately 10MB, http://www.mwkiner.com/video/UPMikado.wmv 1MB http://www.mwkiner.com/video/UPMikadosm.wmv and 380K. http://www.mwkiner.com/video/UPMikadosmlr.wmv Choose the size file you wish and download it to your computer. The video format is WMV which should play with your windows media player. Enjoy! Thx, Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36796	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 2, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36797	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: New Album Posted at MyFlyerTrains.Org

I have just uploaded 3 photos that I know represent only a small portion of Bob Conner's collection at ... http://www.myflyertrains.org Click on Albums, and his Album is at the top... of the page. Enjoy... Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36798	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/2/2005
Subject: York Arrangements

Hi Y'all, Well, it is time again to think about when we will get together and meet at York. This is always a fun part of the week as we get to put a face with a name of those we haven't met and we can renew friendships with those we haven't seen out last York. So, here goes. I have made the following arrangements for the week. There are also a few other activities I have included because I am aware they are happening. Please join us in as many as you can so we can share fellowship and just have some fun. 10/10 Monday 10/11 Tuesday Dinner is scheduled at the Lone Star Steak House. It is located at 922 Loucks Rd. (which is another name for Route 30. It is on the left as your heading West on Rt. 30 from I 83. It is at the intersection of Rt. 30 and Fairlane Rd. Reservations are in my name for 6:30 PM 10/12 Wednesday 1:00 - 5:00 Don't forget there is an open house at Toy Trains Unlimited. It is located at 28 York St., Hanover PA. This is about a 30 minute drive from York. The phone number is 717-637-4717. They will provide food, drinks and plenty of good conversation. And, yes, they are very S-gauge friendly. Also of note is that the National Toy Train Museum has its open house from 10:00 AM - 6:00 PM. Jim Lyle sent us information about parking in a posting to the list on 9/29. There is also a detailed schedule of events at the open house in the York newsletter on page 10. There's always lots doing there during the open house. It's well worth the visit. We have reservations at Alexander's at 6:30. It is located at 840 Carlisle Rd. 717-846-1041. At the Carlisle exit off Route 30, turn left at the light at the end of the ramp. Alexander's in on the right about a half mile up the road. In fact, it is at the turn you make to go to the fairgrounds from Carlisle. 10/13 Thursday This is the new day added to the Fairgrounds schedule. The doors open at noon. The member halls close at 5:30 and the dealer halls close at 7:00. Because of this staggered closing and the Gilbert Get Together, There are no dinner reservations for this evening. So you are on your own. I might suggest a quick bite at the Round the Clock Dinner if you have time. For us S-gaugers, the Gilbert Get Together is "our" event. As in April, the event will be held at the Bridgeton Center which is next to the Days Inn located at 222 Arsenal Rd. (also known as Route 30). The Days Inn is behind the Round the Clock Diner. The Get Together begins promptly at 9:00 PM. 10/14 Friday On Friday, the halls again have staggered closings of 5:30 and 7:00. Our dinner is scheduled for 7:00 at the Olive Garden at 1340 Kenneth Rd. 717-845-2264. Kenneth Rd. is about 1 1/2 miles West of Rt. 83. There is a light at the corner of Route 30 and Kenneth Rd. Turn left on Kenneth Rd. and the Olive Garden is on your right. Since they do not take reservations, I will arrive at 6:00 to set us up for dinner. As we did in April, anyone else wishing to arrive a little early will find me at their watering hole. Just something nice about a little cool refreshment after a full day of "training". There are no scheduled activities for Saturday except for trains. The halls close at 4:00 and nearly everyone will be heading home. Remember no cameras nor cell phones are allowed to be used in the halls. If this is your first York experience, I recommend reading Clem Clement's York Primer. It can be found at: www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html <www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html> I don't know what to suggest about wearing our S-Trains badges this time. There are new badges for the Fairgrounds that will require a badge holder. (These are being supplied free this time in each hall.) We can wear our badges on Monday - Wednesday. After that, we may have to pin them to our clothing. There is a strict warning about misuse of the TCA name badge and its consequences. I'm thinking about wearing two badge holders. Hummm! Anyway, print out and take one of our S-Trains badges with you. You will find it at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm <http://trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm> or the new badge created by Chris Zizzo which can be found at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy One last thought: you can check out the forecasted weather for York by going to www.weatherchannel.com and typing in the zip code of 17404. But no matter what they say, bring a warm sweater or jacket. If you don't need to use it during the week, I may need to borrow one or all of yours. Florida blood in the veins doesn't stand up to anything below 68 degrees. Safe travels and see y'all at York. ... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36799	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Docksider

Re: Lionel S Gauge American Flyer Docksider Received my engine this morning, looks greats, and the test runs proved: Docksider plus 7 American Model Madison Coaches moved smoothly at 9 volts Docksider plus 8 S Helper Freight Cars moved smoothly at 11 volts. Docksider plus 6 Gilbert Freights Cars had trouble pulling at 15 volts For the $ 89.00 plus shipping this is one nice looking and operating engine, smokes just enough to make it look good. If you can get one I would. Nice addition to the collection. Question - it seems to dwarf he Lionel Mikado and my question is the Docksider in Scale proportions? Jerry Matsick "On the Way to York!" Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36800	From: John Foley	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Lionel AF Swing Bridge

Hi Folks I was surfing the web and found a website named Mark's Trains and Hobbies. He advertises a AF swing bridge. This is the first I heard of it. The photo depicts 3 rail track on it. Check it out at. http://www.markstrains.com/prodA/LIO24111.HTM I was wondering if anyone know about it or have purchased one yet. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36801	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: When will the Southern Mikado be Arriving ?

I wonder if any of the dealers know when Flyonel's Southern Railway Mikado is expected to be arriving ? - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36802	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Swing Bridge

He must be confused about the standard O gauge bridge shown in the Lionel 2004 catalog volume 2. No question it is three-rail. The rail in fact is pretty much permanent affixed, or so it looked to me when I saw one up close and personal at a recent train show. But as we all know, lots of times bridges can be used for multiple scales, and if it weren't for the three-rail track, it might be suitable for S. But as it stands, I don't see how it could work, but would love to be shown otherwise, because it is a neat accessory. Roy Inman > From: John Foley <mr-s1@...> > Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:55:00 -0400 > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF Swing Bridge > > Hi Folks > I was surfing the web and found a website named > Mark's Trains and Hobbies. He advertises a AF > swing bridge. This is the first I heard of it. The > photo depicts 3 rail track on it. Check it out at. > http://www.markstrains.com/prodA/LIO24111.HTM > I was wondering if anyone know about it or have > purchased one yet. > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36803	From: John Foley	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Swing Bridge

Hi Roy Thanks. I sent Mark's Hobbies a email questioning them about the ad. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "John Foley" <mr-s1@...>; "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 14:16 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel AF Swing Bridge > He must be confused about the standard O gauge bridge shown in the Lionel > 2004 catalog volume 2. No question it is three-rail. The rail in fact is > pretty much permanent affixed, or so it looked to me when I saw one up close > and personal at a recent train show. But as we all know, lots of times > bridges can be used for multiple scales, and if it weren't for the > three-rail track, it might be suitable for S. > But as it stands, I don't see how it could work, but would love to be shown > otherwise, because it is a neat accessory. > Roy Inman > > > From: John Foley <mr-s1@...> > > Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:55:00 -0400 > > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF Swing Bridge > > > > Hi Folks > > I was surfing the web and found a website named > > Mark's Trains and Hobbies. He advertises a AF > > swing bridge. This is the first I heard of it. The > > photo depicts 3 rail track on it. Check it out at. > > http://www.markstrains.com/prodA/LIO24111.HTM > > I was wondering if anyone know about it or have > > purchased one yet. > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36804	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: When will the Southern Mikado be Arriving ?

Earl, I picked up mine yesterday at Wild Bill's Trains in Detroit. I have a tendency to see new releases from Lionel early because of geography. They should be winding their way to your dealers at this time. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/3/2005 2:39:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I wonder if any of the dealers know when Flyonel's Southern Railway Mikado is expected to be arriving ? - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36805	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: When will the Southern Mikado be Arriving ?

Earl, I received my UP Mikado today. First time I had actually held one in my grubby little paws, and it is a real beaut! Anxious to get it on the track. BTW, there were a couple of emails on the list about changing out the Flyer coupler for a scale one. I guess I did not quite understand the process, because it looks to me as though a person could just unscrew the Flyer version and install the scale version without modification. But I may be missing something, as I sometimes do... Roy Inman > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:48:16 -0400 (EDT) > To: Tennsgauge@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] When will the Southern Mikado be Arriving ? > > Earl, > > I picked up mine yesterday at Wild Bill's Trains in Detroit. I have a > tendency to see new releases from Lionel early because of geography. They > should be > winding their way to your dealers at this time. > > Bob Bubeck > > > > In a message dated 10/3/2005 2:39:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tennsgauge@... writes: > I wonder if any of the dealers know when Flyonel's Southern Railway Mikado is > expected to be arriving ? > > - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36806	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: Jacksonville and S Gauge Trains

Trying to see if interest is there for a get together of S Gaugers (all S gauge trains) in the Jacksonville Area, we have several who have expressed interest all ready in the immediate Jacksonville area and hopefully individuals living outside the area might be interested in a get together and the possible formation of a S Gauge group. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36807	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: FUNNY

http://cgi.ebay.com/K-LINE-1419-P-RR-Plymouth-Switcher-Train-Set-S-Scale_W0QQitemZ6003596343QQcategoryZ16509QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36808	From: keefer1	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: k-line

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 36809	From: Gale Hall	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] SD-40-2 low hood

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> To: "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] SD-40-2 low hood > Evening list, > > Does anyone have a 81 or 84 inch nose for a SD-40-2 extra or that they might trade for a 116" snoot (unpainted brass).. > > Or how about a 3000 gal fuel tank for a GP-38-2...just lets the trucks turn.. > > Or how about a drive shaft for either axle #2 or #3 on a GP-38-2, the shaft extends out from both sides of the traction motor like gear box (Ajin). > > Or how about a Missouri Pacific AM HW RPO > > Or a Mini Lindy Lindberg Chevy vega, or maybe two of them 1/64 > > Or a Train Stuff Conrail 60 ft waffle side box car or kit? > > Or any one want to trade a SHS MP stock car for an ACL stock car(SHS).. > > Please reply off list,,,thanks > > > gale hall > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36810	From: Karl Raab	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Re: FUNNY

...appears that lots of "Scale couplers"are included.. ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36811	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: Does anyone know the number of the Steam whistiling billboard...

Hey, fellas just got a steam whistle billboard in the mail off eBay. It contains no number on it. It is green with a picture of the 336 4-8- 4 hauling frieght cars, and the backround is snowy mountains and hills. Does anyone have this that knows the number to which one it is or just knows? It would be great if you told me. Also there is on the side of the billboard is a hole that has two lined up from each other slots. it looks like someting may go in there. Because it is a hole unless it is a sound hole, but there is already little slits of plastic cut out for that. Does anyone know what may go in there on the right side of the billboard? If you are looking at the picture it is on the right side. Geoffrey Faltot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36812	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/3/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - O, HO, S and N scale

916 KCS 3 bay covered hopper (4-05) http://mopac1.tripod.com/916.gif 918 BNSF 3 bay covered hopper (8-05) http://mopac1.tripod.com/918.gif 919 BNSF 2 bay covered hopper (7-05) http://mopac1.tripod.com/919.gif 920 BNSF 2 bay cement covered hopper (7-05) http://mopac1.tripod.com/920.gif 921 BNSF 2 bay cement covered hopper (7-05) http://mopac1.tripod.com/921.gif 922 BNSF 3 bay covered hopper (7-05) http://mopac1.tripod.com/922.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - The Decal Machine - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36813	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: CJSS Get Together 2005

Hi All, I just had the chance to throw together a few photos of the Central Jersey S Scalers Get Together this past weekend. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/CJSS_2005.jpg Photo 1 - The whole hall from the stage. Photo 2 - How shocking, a photo of the Pennsy S Models table showing our new banner and our current and future projects. Photo 3 - My EM-1 double heading with Don Thompson's EM-1 Photo 4 - My photo titled "4 Full Moons" starring Bill Mark, John Prior, Don DeWitt, and Jeff Wilson. No further explanation needed here... Photo 5 - My recently completed F39 flat car. Photo 6 - A celebration of Donna's birthday 1 day late. My wife REALLY likes to be at the Get Together especially when it is on her birthday! It was the usual good time. I have not missed it once since first attending in 1987. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36814	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: Question of ignorance...

Hi again, Tinplate vs. Hi-rail vs. scale vs. Proto 64, I'm glad to see this topic being discussed. As I said before, I have my opinion, and I am enjoying reading yours. I think we are making this much more difficult than it really is. No one is addressing how the 'other' scales have dealt with this problem of definition and it does exist for them, too. How would you 'label' the majority of the H0 community? Still curious in Maine, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36815	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Jerry and marketing got my list

Went this past Saturday to Charles Ro's OPEN HOUSE in Malden, Mass. and got to speak to Jerry Calabrese, CEO of Lionel. While there, I ran into other S GAGERS who also had questions of him about American Flyer products as well as comments. I was asked to give comments and product Ideas to the marketing person next to him and I, and others did so. Number one was put a better smoke unit in the Mikado and make a front coupler that is operational like a KADEE. I also asked them to make D&H PA's with rail sounds in the dummy A unit as well as a cover for the front coupler that can be removable like S Helper has. Make B units that are powered and make the other roads have PA dummies with rail sounds. I explained the D&H didn't have B's so just make A's. Make passenger cars for the D&H that the observation car roof has a vista dome like the PRO TO one had (maybe even do the CB&Q observation later on). I did give them a list of other items that was rather long, but it did include Heavyweights and even asked about a Bakers Chocolate Baldwin or Docksider. As for the Baldwin's , I suggested dummies be made with rail sounds. Well those were some of my thoughts on the list , not sure how others would agree. Keep Training, Frank in NH. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36816	From: Thomas Davis	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Lionel's new AF coal dump car & dockside switcher.

I have just in the last month received a new AF coal dump car and a B&O dockside switcher. First the coal dump car is an excellent and improved reproduction, with the exception of the couplers. Some things can not be improved on. Secondly the B&O switcher,is a really neat little loco, I like it better then the Rex docksider I had a few years ago. The Rex never ran smoothly, I built it from a kit in 1989. The Lionel/Flyer runs like a top and the lights really burn brightly. What I do not like about the new loco is the Choo-Choo sound system. Unable to hear the sound system at slow speeds and must be operated a Mach 1 to hear it at all! The smoke system does not work well either and then there are those couplers again! To improve operation,I removed the centering spring for the rear coupler and can now pull trains around a loop of Pike Master track. Some members of the group have complained about the pulling power of this little loco. I think it has dexcellent pulling power, remember it is a switcher and not a 2-6-6-2. I set up a test track under my layout with Pike Master track and I am easily pulling eight SHS covered hoppers and a converted AF caboose with SHS trucks and couplers. To improve the apperance of this little loco I have painted the whistle silver and the bell bronze. The loco has also runs well on my layout, which consist of SHS track, SHS No.3 Switches. AF switched and a AF 90 degree crossing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36817	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: Jerry and marketing got my list

Thanks for sharing you recommendations to Lionel. I wonder how many S gaugers would recommend improved trucks that roll easily like the SHS and AM ones and that consistently have smaller flange depths comparable to the Hi-rail flanges of SHS and AM. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36818	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: AM & S HELPER

Question? With TMCC & DCS availibale by Lionel and now MTH, will we see them in your products? Why or why not? Frank. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36819	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: NASG member fav prototype road query now available

NASG members may now search the NASG online membership directory by Favorite Prototype Railroad to locate other NASG members who share a passion in a particular prototype. To do this, log on to http://www.nasg.org/directory.php and select the Favorite Prototype Railroad drop down menu option. Please note that contact info i.e. address, telephone and/or email for select members may be blocked from viewing due to the request of the member. If you are an actively subscribed NASG member and you do not have a password to access the online membership directory, you can request a password at http://www.nasg.org/directory_signup.php Thank you. Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36820	From: Furmanak, Stan	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: NASG member fav prototype road query now available

NASG members may now search the NASG online membership directory by Favorite Prototype Railroad to locate other NASG members who share a passion in a particular prototype. To do this, log on to http://www.nasg.org/directory.php and select the Favorite Prototype Railroad drop down menu option. Please note that contact info i.e. address, telephone and/or email for select members may be blocked from viewing due to the request of the member. If you are an actively subscribed NASG member and you do not have a password to access the online membership directory, you can request a password at http://www.nasg.org/directory_signup.php Thank you. Stan Furmanak NASG Membership Secretary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36821	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel's new AF coal dump car & dockside switcher.

I, too, Have found the new dump car to be excellent. I reported on the Dockside here a few weeks ago. My sample pulls very well and, yet, can be made to run slowly so that one can spot an operating car. I have gotten the smoke action to improve to the point of acceptable by using a long wire nail to push any smoke unit packing out of the way of the stack tube. The reworked HO smoke unit does not move very much air, so eliminating any constrictions will help the unit to "breathe." I have been using LGB's low vapor point fluid, which I believe is essential. Because the smoke unit is derived from the HO unit and does not move very much air, the choo-choo is very weak, just as it is with a vintage 21155. The choo-choo can be heard in an HO 0-6-0 PRR switcher because HOs run quietly, but Flyer S gauge makes a fair amount of tinplate noise, even with rubber road bed, and this drowns out the faint choo-choo. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/4/2005 12:44:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brevardkatie@... writes: I have just in the last month received a new AF coal dump car and a B&O dockside switcher. First the coal dump car is an excellent and improved reproduction,with the exception of the couplers. Some things can not be improved on. Secondly the B&O switcher,is a really neat little loco, I like it better then the Rex docksider I had a few years ago. The Rex never ran smoothly, I built it from a kit in 1989. The Lionel/Flyer runs like a top and the lights really burn brightly. What I do not like about the new loco is the Choo-Choo sound system. Unable to hear the sound system at slow speeds and must be operated a Mach 1 to hear it at all! The smoke system does not work well either and then there are those couplers again! To improve operation,I removed the centering spring for the rear coupler and can now pull trains around a loop of Pike Master track. Some members of the group have complained about the pulling power of this little loco. I think it has dexcellent pulling power, remember it is a switcher and not a 2-6-6-2. I set up a test track under my layout with Pike Master track and I am easily pulling eight SHS covered hoppers and a converted AF caboose with SHS trucks and couplers. To improve the apperance of this little loco I have painted the whistle silver and the bell bronze. The loco has also runs well on my layout, which consist of SHS track, SHS No.3 Switches. AF switched and a AF 90 degree crossing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36822	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Future "small boilered" steam locomotives?

2005 has become a surfeit of riches: the "Flyonel" 0-6-0 Dockside, the 2-8-2 repeated in both Union Pacific and Southern liveries, and recently word that two 4-8-4s will become available. That doesn't count the soon to be released SHS Showcase Line 2-8-0, a big boilered freight hauler. Many like "big power" and so do I, having pre-ordered a Southern Rwy. 2-8-2. But I'm wondering if there is interest out there in smaller branch line power, perhaps a 4-6-0, 4-4-0, 2-6-0 or 2-6-2? Possibly a "generic" Baldwin or Alco? If so, should such a locomotive be equipped with footboards and a working coupler on the front pilot -- similar, say, to certain versions of the A.F. NKP 0-8-0? A small steam locomotive would be a nice compliment to the K Line Plymouth gas switcher. Some short line railroads replaced or augmented their small steamers with Plymouths (Fate-Root-Heath). Adding a transition era (1940s-50s) branch line or short line would be a lot more realistic if small steam power were available. So, if manufacturers were to consider small power, what wheel arrangement should it be and should it be "generic" or prototype specific. (An example might be a PRR D-16sb 4-4-0 or a Southern Pacific 2-6-0.) Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36823	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: SMOKE FLUID

I have yet to get my Docksiders. If one or two of you would like to try my smoke fluid in the new units to see if you get more smore at lower voltage I'm willing to send a couple bottles free to a couple of guys to test in their Docksiders. My fluid did rather well in the Mikado test at lower voltages & gave out better amts of smoke. I can only do 2 at this time so the first two who e-mail me get a sample. MIke ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36824	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: NO MORE FLUID

I have the two needed for trying my fluid Thank All that wrote. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36825	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re;Future small boilered steam locomotives

I have a Putt (Rex) Suburban and a Mogul on order, but I'd like to see a B&0 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler. (We also need some short (Gilbert length)"heavyweight" passenger cars.) Stumpy Stone...being uncharacteristically brief this time...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36826	From: Chris Burger	Date: 10/4/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER

Why stick yourself with TMCC OR DCS when you can run DCC with both AM and S-Helper. I find dealing with two seperate systems to be a pain in the butt and so do a lot of O-Gaugers I deal with. Sorry, but I'm not a fan of either system. I do prefer Lionels sounds to MTH sounds though. CB frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote:Question? With TMCC & DCS availibale by Lionel and now MTH, will we see them in your products? Why or why not? Frank. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36827	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER

Effectively, DCS is not an option at this time because MTH does not license the system to other manufacturers. TMCC is simple and robust. I have a traditional layout for running vintage Gilbert and fully intend to keep it so. I absolutely refuse to up end my layout for DCC. TMCC was originally designed for those with postwar AC layouts in mind and it gives CC for one in my situation with the connection of a single wire. No other system is so simple or effective. If one uses a new ZW (or power "bricks" with TPC300s or TPC400s), one can run conventional AC engines by remote control via a TMCC Cab-1 and command base. DCC is an interesting and appealing system for many, but not all. Unfortunately, I do not see AM or SHS licensing TMCC, so it is conventional or Locomatic operation for them. Or, doing Carl Tuveson conversions. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/4/2005 9:07:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, cbtrainnut@... writes: Why stick yourself with TMCC OR DCS when you can run DCC with both AM and S-Helper. I find dealing with two seperate systems to be a pain in the butt and so do a lot of O-Gaugers I deal with. Sorry, but I'm not a fan of either system. I do prefer Lionels sounds to MTH sounds though. CB frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote:Question? With TMCC & DCS availibale by Lionel and now MTH, will we see them in your products? Why or why not? Frank. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36828	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Scale vs. hirail...

I would REALLY appreciate some suggestions as to how to go about helping to combat the disinformation concerning S. I go to 6~7 train shows a year, talk with lots of folks at the "other gauge" train displays in Union Station Kansas City, and I hear over and over again at all these venues stuff like: "Oh, S gauge, isn't that Lionel?" Or, "S gauge. Let's see, that was American Flyer. They don't make that anymore, do they?" Or, "S gauge is a good size, but you can't get much in the way of equipment." Etc., etc. There is so little S available for purchase locally (none now, actually, since Destination Trains moved to Libertyville, IL) that hobby shop visitors never see any. A little tale: a man and his family came into the largest hobby shop in the area recently and said they "wanted an S gauge train set." He had seen our modular S layout at a local show, everyone loved the size, etc., and decided that was what they wanted under the tree, and maybe later, a large layout as well. The train guy at the local shop is one who has been in and around the model train business for nearly 30 years, is a fine scale HO modeler, structures builder and scenery-maker himself. Yet he was unaware that both SHS and AM make excellent starter sets. So he proceeded to "build a set" for the family, ordering an engine here, a box car there, track from K-Line, etc., until he finally got all the pieces together. Which is fine, I suppose, because at least he got the customer stated in S. But if a guy such as he doesn't know what is available, the word just isn't getting out. This is not a new topic, but one which, IMHO, needs to be seriously addressed by NASG. I applaud their efforts at the continuing series of ads placed in major modeling publications and featuring S manufacturers. Bravo! But somehow, some way, we all need to do a better job to help the scale grow. There is an excellent book, "Guerilla Marketing in 30 Days" that has some ideas we could perhaps use. And there are probably others. Any marketing gurus out there with suggestions?? Roy Inman > From: John Degnan <RailScaler@...> > Reply-To: John Degnan <RailScaler@...> > Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:57:35 -0400 > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Scale vs. hirail... > >> Any major growth in S scale will come from >> HO guys moving up and that can't happen till they are able to buy a >> better selection of modern equipment. > > Dave, I couldn't have said it better! Good call. > >> What S scale really needs is for >> Athearn, Atlas or one of the major HO manufacturers to get interested >> and copy some of their products in S scale size. > > I'm with you here as well. I'm hoping that the sales on my box car project > will not only justify the production of it, but that it will show some of > these manufacturers that there actually are some genuine "modelers" in S (as > opposed to those who merely play with toys). But I say that will respect > for all, so don't anyone get their panties in a wad. > > > John Degnan > RailScaler@... > The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Archive > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard > > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For > those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to > edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or > photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36829	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Does the Air Chime whistle actual whistle like a train or not?

Hey guys, I am looking to buying some cheap stuff after getting the billboard steam whistle. Does the air chime whistle sound just like it or does it have another function? Is it a train whistle? Is it reliable or do they brake easy? Just wondering because I am looking at getting one. Thanks. Geoffrey,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36830	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re;AM & S-Helper

I second Chris' comments. I work part time in a hobby shop and we get alot of talk from O gaugers on the Lionel TMCC vs the MTH DCS systems. Unlike EVERY other scale which can use the standardized DCC system, O gauge is split between these two warring giants and their two different systems. It's an expensive mess in O gauge! I think it would be wise to use DCC in S gauge. Stumpy Stone...simplify, simplify, simplify...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36831	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER

Dear Frank. You will not see TMCC available in MTH products or DCS in Lionel. At this time neither company will license there technology to other companies. I guess that is the easy answer. Our products can be purchased for DCC sound, LM (AC or DC) sound or DC no sound. Lionel or MTH do not offer all of these technologies but want to corner the market with there very own. What else can I say? Best regards, Don frank emiro wrote: >Question? With TMCC & DCS availibale by Lionel and now MTH, will we see them in your products? Why or why not? Frank. > > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36832	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: DCC

after Lionel and MTH have beaten each other to death,DCC will still be around. my $.02 from the Hoosier State Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36833	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: Question of ignorance...

Pieter Roos wrote: "I think it is really hard to argue that there is the same division between Hi-rail HO and scale in HO as exists in S and O scales." This is why I keep asking how you would define the majority of H0 people. Unless I am wrong, I am under the impression that most H0 equipment won't run on Proto 87 track, that is, the Proto 87 turnouts. There is no doubt the Proto 87 modelers would be considered 'scalers'. What then, are the rest of the H0 modelers considered? Still curious in Maine, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36834	From: Phil K	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: Does the Air Chime whistle actual whistle like a train or not?

In a word -- NO. Simply put, the Air Chime Whistle was actually a speaker that amplified a DC signal sent thru the tracks to the tender or billboard containing the Air Chime. The sound generator needed to trigger the Air Chime had one of four different tubes in it that contained a vibrating reed that electronically created the "noise." It sounded like anything but a "whistle" -- actually, it was only a loud buzz. The only Flyer locomotive to contain a true whistle was the 1949-50 314AW. It sounds absolutely great and authentic when compared to the Air Chime, and had its own control button built into an oval container not unlike early low-power transformers. It had a momentary lever that needed to be pushed to one side to blow the whistle. Various rumors abound about Lionel suing American Flyer over patent violations with the 314AW whistle and/or contacting Gilbert Co. regarding this type of violation. They all claim that's why Gilbert stopped making it. However, Lionel's legal department told me they cannot find any documentation to support these rumors -- either a polite warning letter or an actual lawsuit. These rumors, by the way, have taken on a life of their own. They've been parroted and regurgitated and propagated incorrectly in most books about A.C. Gilbert American Flyer. I believe ACG's Maury Romer also said in his later years during an interview with the late Peter Jugle that he knew of no legal problems regarding the 314AW whistle unit. So the 314AW patent infringement story is little more than an urban legend. Truth is -- and if you've ever seen all the stuff packed into a 314AW tender (reverse unit, whistle trigger system and mechanical whistle itself) you'll understand. They were extremely difficult to service when they malfunctioned, which apparently was quite often. I've had to go in and reglue broken impeller pieces on several units to get them to work again. The impellers self-destructed due to the spinning motion, I'd guess. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "faltrain5" <faltrain5@y...> wrote: > Hey guys, I am looking to buying some cheap stuff after getting the > billboard steam whistle. Does the air chime whistle sound just like it > or does it have another function? Is it a train whistle? Is it > reliable or do they brake easy? Just wondering because I am looking at > getting one. Thanks. > > Geoffrey,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36835	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: S Gauge and TMCC/ DCS

Just my opinion! As someone who converted a year ago from the O gauge mess of "which is better TMCC or MTH's DCS? " (40 plus years) I had 12 MTH Proto One engines that Basically everyone of them had problems, the Proto 2 was a lot better, then I also had Lionel with TMCC and Railsounds, then I had several Atlas engines with TMCC and or the Locomatic control, then I had K Line with TMCC or regular operation,a total of 61 engines with a broad mixture of operational control. I got frustrated with it all Once I converted to S Gauge/Scale I became happy with operation of S Helper with Locomatic control and sound in their engines, also have a number of engines from American Models with just sound and finally I have many of the Flyonel Engines, (only Mikado has TMCC) and many of the original Gilbert engines. I have three main lines that operate separate from each other and I am hoppy, As a lifelong model train man, I like to run trains as we did back inthe 40s and 50s. Forward, Neutral, Reverse, bell button and Whistle button. I don't want to die of a heart attack trying to remember engine numbers and what code is for this or that. Jerry Matsick On the Road to York!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36836	From: Chris Burger	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Scale vs. hirail...

Hi Roy, I have a store now, for the year and have an S-Gauge layout in the store. I carry all brands of S and the magazines that help sell it. The problem with shop owning is you are so busy taking care of that little shop you don't take the time to read the magazines anymore. At least I know I don't. I have the book Guerilla Marketing next to the cash register in the store and haven't had the time to read it yet. But I will make the time now. We need the S-Gauge adds to be sent to the hobby shops themselves as well as in the publications. Maybe even an e-mail with information to the hobby shops. Like the announcements from the manufacturers on this list. Maybe adds in Hobby retailer or other trade magazines that the owners will see. Just my thoughts. Chris Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: I would REALLY appreciate some suggestions as to how to go about helping to combat the disinformation concerning S. I go to 6~7 train shows a year, talk with lots of folks at the "other gauge" train displays in Union Station Kansas City, and I hear over and over again at all these venues stuff like: "Oh, S gauge, isn't that Lionel?" Or, "S gauge. Let's see, that was American Flyer. They don't make that anymore, do they?" Or, "S gauge is a good size, but you can't get much in the way of equipment." Etc., etc. There is so little S available for purchase locally (none now, actually, since Destination Trains moved to Libertyville, IL) that hobby shop visitors never see any. A little tale: a man and his family came into the largest hobby shop in the area recently and said they "wanted an S gauge train set." He had seen our modular S layout at a local show, everyone loved the size, etc., and decided that was what they wanted under the tree, and maybe later, a large layout as well. The train guy at the local shop is one who has been in and around the model train business for nearly 30 years, is a fine scale HO modeler, structures builder and scenery-maker himself. Yet he was unaware that both SHS and AM make excellent starter sets. So he proceeded to "build a set" for the family, ordering an engine here, a box car there, track from K-Line, etc., until he finally got all the pieces together. Which is fine, I suppose, because at least he got the customer stated in S. But if a guy such as he doesn't know what is available, the word just isn't getting out. This is not a new topic, but one which, IMHO, needs to be seriously addressed by NASG. I applaud their efforts at the continuing series of ads placed in major modeling publications and featuring S manufacturers. Bravo! But somehow, some way, we all need to do a better job to help the scale grow. There is an excellent book, "Guerilla Marketing in 30 Days" that has some ideas we could perhaps use. And there are probably others. Any marketing gurus out there with suggestions?? Roy Inman > From: John Degnan > Reply-To: John Degnan > Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:57:35 -0400 > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Scale vs. hirail... > >> Any major growth in S scale will come from >> HO guys moving up and that can't happen till they are able to buy a >> better selection of modern equipment. > > Dave, I couldn't have said it better! Good call. > >> What S scale really needs is for >> Athearn, Atlas or one of the major HO manufacturers to get interested >> and copy some of their products in S scale size. > > I'm with you here as well. I'm hoping that the sales on my box car project > will not only justify the production of it, but that it will show some of > these manufacturers that there actually are some genuine "modelers" in S (as > opposed to those who merely play with toys). But I say that will respect > for all, so don't anyone get their panties in a wad. > > > John Degnan > RailScaler@... > The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Archive > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard > > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For > those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to > edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or > photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36837	From: knockbill	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: York

Hi Other than the fire house, are there any other bandit meets at York on Monday? (Holidome,Billy Bud, BW)....... Anybody setting up at the motels that knows the schedules.. Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36838	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State St. West Alliance, Ohio Date: Saturday, October 8, 2005 Time: 10:00AM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Go. GO. Go. To all the train shows you can because you can't get find A.F. anywhere else.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36839	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: York

From what I have heard most are starting Monday.... I am planning on being there Monday...... Spoke with a very large dealer....... He isn't too happy about the change..... too much time away from the store.....I think it will all be a mess up..... but according to the weather forcast...... m, t, w...... ok..... thur rain.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Hi > Other than the fire house, are there any other bandit meets at York on > Monday? (Holidome,Billy Bud, BW)....... Anybody setting up at the > motels that knows the schedules.. > Thanks John > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36840	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: A new member

I have joined this group on brhlaf of the Chatham & District Model Railway club in England. We have been bequeathed a large collection of S Guage stock by a former American serviceman who wanted his American Flyer collection and other bits and pieces to go to someone who would look after and use it in the manner that he intended. After some searching the Executors of his will found our club. There are around twenty-six items of motive power and two sea chests full of coaches and wagons which are wrapped up in Schenectady Gazette newspapers. We are hopefully going to exhibit as much as possible at our show next June and will be looking for help with the history of this collection and how to sort out the non-working engines. They have all been converted to 2 rail with large rectifiers in the tenders. I'll search through the archives for answers, we are starting from a point of no knowledge at all, not even the correct running voltage/ampage for these engines. Some photographs have been sent to Model Railroader for help, when I get the chance I'll take some more and send the details of the web address. Thanking you all in advance for your patience and assistance. Glenn Allen ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36841	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: A new member

Hi Glenn, This group is very helpful and has a lot of opinions. I am sure that there are several of us who will be honored to give you a hand with the task you face. First off, S-gauge things and American Flyer in particular are always two-rail. None of the locomotives should have rollers for a center rail. If they do, then they are older, O-Gauge items. You mentioned a large rectifier in the tenders of the steamers. That is probably to convert them to operate on DC with the direction controlled by the polarity of the voltage. Gilbert American Flyer used universal motors to work with either AC or DC and a mechanical reversing unit. I have converted some of my locomotives as you have described, so, I recognize it. The modified locos shold work only on DC. The voltage to be used is probably 12 VDC or so. Higher voltage (up to may be 15) might be OK, but, might not. The rectifier has a couple of electrical side-effects that mean we should not use the origianl 18VAC. Keep us posted on your progress. Depending on what you have there, some of us may be anxious to assist you in finding a home for the things. Good Luck, Bill Porter > I have joined this group on brhlaf of the Chatham & > District Model Railway club in England. We have been > bequeathed a large collection of S Guage stock by a > former American serviceman who wanted his American > Flyer collection and other bits and pieces to go to > someone who would look after and use it in the manner > that he intended. After some searching the Executors > of his will found our club. > There are around twenty-six items of motive power and > two sea chests full of coaches and wagons which are > wrapped up in Schenectady Gazette newspapers. We are > hopefully going to exhibit as much as possible at our > show next June and will be looking for help with the > history of this collection and how to sort out the > non-working engines. They have all been converted to 2 > rail with large rectifiers in the tenders. I'll search > through the archives for answers, we are starting from > a point of no knowledge at all, not even the correct > running voltage/ampage for these engines. Some > photographs have been sent to Model Railroader for > help, when I get the chance I'll take some more and > send the details of the web address. > Thanking you all in advance for your patience and > assistance. > Glenn Allen > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36842	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: A new member

Glen, You have me a little confused here. Others will know better, but if what you have is American Flyer and it is S gauge, then it began life as two rail, and no conversation would be necessary. If it was originally three-rail equipment, to the best of my knowledge, it has to be something other than American Flyer S gauge. But the very best of luck to your group and your efforts :) Cheers :) Roy Inman, Lenexa, KS > From: glenn allen <glenn_rhb@...> > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:46:25 +0100 (BST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] A new member > > They have all been converted to 2 > rail with large rectifiers in the tenders.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36843	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Smoke Fluid

Mike Strickland wrote: >>My fluid did rather well in the Mikado test at lower >>voltages & gave out better amts of smoke. I can vouch for this. The SuperSmoke and fluid supplied by Lionel are too thick for the Mikados, often resulting in bursts of smoke (and fluid). The AFNormal smoke fluid performed beautifully at Altoona in my B&O Mikado set. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36844	From: Michael T Kolosseus	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: October Flyer sales list

Hi, everyone. My October AF list of over 400 items is available to anyone who would like it emailed to them. Contact me for a copy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36845	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: Re: York

There has also been some negative feedback concerning the addition of the fair grounds being open on a religious holiday. Who is the guy who came up with this schedule and is he going to be more sensitive or we will be seeing the show open on good Friday next? Tom Doherty PA Heritage Models, Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:35 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; knockbill Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York >From what I have heard most are starting Monday.... I am planning on being there Monday...... Spoke with a very large dealer....... He isn't too happy about the change..... too much time away from the store.....I think it will all be a mess up..... but according to the weather forcast...... m, t, w...... ok..... thur rain.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Hi > Other than the fire house, are there any other bandit meets at York on > Monday? (Holidome,Billy Bud, BW)....... Anybody setting up at the > motels that knows the schedules.. > Thanks John > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36846	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/5/2005
Subject: S Helper Service Internet Special

I just posted a new SHS Internet Special. This is a short one, now through Oct 13. Buy an F-3 or F-7 AB set, and get the SW-1/SW-9/NW-2 switcher of your choice free. All Locos must be in stock, and credit card only, no layaways. Quantities are limited. Here's the pointer: http://www.showcaseline.com/IndexInternetSpecial.html The 2-8-0 is in production. Components are being assembled as we speak! Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36847	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: AF 760 modification

Hi all, I have a question concerning the AF 760 Highway Flasher. I have one from my youth and was always disappointed with the fact that the lights didn't flash alternately like the real ones did. It yelled phony almost as loud as that 3rd rail on other train-like toys. My 760 will never be graded much better than good so it is a good candidate for improvement. I figure that if one cuts the rear conductor bar with a small hacksaw on both sides of the soldered wire, that would separate the bulbs on the + side. The wire could then be unsoldered from the small remaining piece of rear conductor bar. This existing wire could then be used to pull two wires down the center tube and the mounting hole on the base could be made to accommodate another isolated terminal for the additional conductor. The unit would need a flashing circuit and train detectors to complete the job. I am looking for anyone who may have already tried this or who may have suggestions on methods or advice. Thanks alot, Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36848	From: knockbill	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: 760

I have just used flashing/blinking bulbs in some 760s......They may not flash alternatively, but will flash when powered & dont need to be modified..... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36849	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: AF 760 Modification

I wish I could remember where/when, but I know there was an article written in one of the S mags a few years back that explained how someone did exactly this. Maybe someone else can recall and locate it. We do carry both an electronic flashing unit, and a detector circuit (either IR or photocell). You'll find them described on our ELECTRONICS FOR S website page. <<This existing wire could then be used to pull two wires down the center tube and the mounting hole on the base could be made to accommodate another isolated terminal for the additional conductor. The unit would need a flashing circuit and train detectors to complete the job.>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36850	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State St. West Alliance, Ohio Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 Time: 11:00AM - 6:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Same but still get some stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36851	From: beebear	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...

OK I give up ...... where is West Alliance, Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ... > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State St. West Alliance, Ohio > > Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 > Time: 11:00AM - 6:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > Same but still get some stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36852	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER

Chris, both TMCC & DCS will work both systems with adapters. DCC is great , but you the operator has to add and install them. TMCC & DCS are ready to run, sounds and all. Chris Burger <cbtrainnut@...> wrote: Why stick yourself with TMCC OR DCS when you can run DCC with both AM and S-Helper. I find dealing with two seperate systems to be a pain in the butt and so do a lot of O-Gaugers I deal with. Sorry, but I'm not a fan of either system. I do prefer Lionels sounds to MTH sounds though. CB frank emiro wrote:Question? With TMCC & DCS availibale by Lionel and now MTH, will we see them in your products? Why or why not? Frank. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36853	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER

Check out the latest edition of O GUAGE Mag., and you will see that Mike Wolf is making it possible for his DCS. My thoughts are: I agree with some of what you say, but if MTH is making DCS available ( see the latest issue of O GUAGE MAG.), why shouldn't S GAGER's have the best of both worlds ? TMCC & DCS will work both systems. The Mikado ( FLYONEL ) sold lots of TMCC for LIONEL. There is PLENTY of room in our gage to have options especially with lots of HO operators moving to larger scales. I love operating my American Flyer the way I did in 1947, BUT I also enjoy all of the features of 2005 and be-on. Also, you can operate ACG with TMCC & DCS. As a note, check out MTH PROTO sounds and tell me what you think . Frank in NH why not have the best of all sounds for us S Guagers rbubeck327@... wrote: Effectively, DCS is not an option at this time because MTH does not license the system to other manufacturers. TMCC is simple and robust. I have a traditional layout for running vintage Gilbert and fully intend to keep it so. I absolutely refuse to up end my layout for DCC. TMCC was originally designed for those with postwar AC layouts in mind and it gives CC for one in my situation with the connection of a single wire. No other system is so simple or effective. If one uses a new ZW (or power "bricks" with TPC300s or TPC400s), one can run conventional AC engines by remote control via a TMCC Cab-1 and command base. DCC is an interesting and appealing system for many, but not all. Unfortunately, I do not see AM or SHS licensing TMCC, so it is conventional or Locomatic operation for them. Or, doing Carl Tuveson conversions. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/4/2005 9:07:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, cbtrainnut@... writes: Why stick yourself with TMCC OR DCS when you can run DCC with both AM and S-Helper. I find dealing with two seperate systems to be a pain in the butt and so do a lot of O-Gaugers I deal with. Sorry, but I'm not a fan of either system. I do prefer Lionels sounds to MTH sounds though. CB frank emiro wrote:Question? With TMCC & DCS availibale by Lionel and now MTH, will we see them in your products? Why or why not? Frank. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36854	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/6/2005
Subject: 760 Flasher Re-work

Alex Sibbald wrote: I have a question concerning the AF 760 Highway Flasher. I have one from my youth and was always disappointed with the fact that the lights didn't flash alternately like the real ones did. It yelled phony almost as loud as that 3rd rail on other train-like toys. My 760 will never be graded much better than good so it is a good candidate for improvement. I figure that if one cuts the rear conductor bar with a small hacksaw on both sides of the soldered wire, that would separate the bulbs on the + side. The wire could then be unsoldered from the small remaining piece of rear conductor bar. This existing wire could then be used to pull two wires down the center tube and the mounting hole on the base could be made to accommodate another isolated terminal for the additional conductor. The unit would need a flashing circuit and train detectors to complete the job. I am looking for anyone who may have already tried this or who may have suggestions on methods or advice. Thanks alot, Alex Sibbald ##################################################### I, too, agree with your assessment of this flasher. So I took an older one and modified it, much like you suggested. I removed the rivet and took off crossbuck sign. Then I cut the bus bar holding the flasher sockets, isolating them from each other, installed a new wire to the new now-insulated socket, and then ran that wire down inside the post and re-attached the crossbuck. Now I have a crossing flasher with two wires (one for each light) with the post of the flasher as the ground and a newly installed third post and nut for the new wire. This can either then be hooked up to any regular electronic crossing flasher device, or can be used with a pair of the AF track clips to alternatively light the two flasher bulbs. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36855	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State St. West Alliance, Ohio Date: Saturday, October 8, 2005 Time: 10:00AM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Go. GO. Go. To all the train shows you can because you can't get find A.F. anywhere else.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36856	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Fall TTOS Show - Florida

Good Friday To You All... The Florida Division of the TTOS is holding the Fall Train Show tomorrow, October 8th. We meet in Port St. Lucie Florida at the American-Polish Hall on St. Lucie Boulevard. There is no admission charge. St. Lucie Boulevard runs East-West and intersects both I-95 and the Florida Turnpike. The Hall is east of both on the north side of the road. There are dealers and train fans. The hall operators provide good food from not much money. The TTOS offers door prizes. There is no admission charge. Brother Premen is expected with loads of stuff from AmericanFlyerTrains.com. I will again bring the Royal Palm and Loxahatchee Central S-Scale modular layout. Guest engineers are welcome. It is a hoot to see the kids running trains. I am in the midst of a complete refurbishment of the modules. First step was to reduce the weight by 1/3rd - for the benefit of my old back. New scenery and a center section will soon follow. I will also be running the book-shelf trolley setup created by Our Founder Paul Yorke. It too is being refurbished. When you see it you will be amazed at just how sharp a corner can be made with flex track. SHS, AM and Portlines have all provided some S-scale related information to hand out. And one more thing: There Is No Admission Charge!!! Later, Bill Porter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36857	From: muniman18	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: transformer

MORNING I HAVE A QUESTION CAN I RUN AF ON A LIONEL TRANSFORMER THE OLD ONE WITH TWO HANDLES ALSO HAS DIRECTIONAL AND WHISTLE SLIDES AND WILL THE WHISTLE SOUND ON MY 326 WITHOUT THE SILLY TUBE THX MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36858	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER

Hi Frank, Despite the brief comment in passing in CTT, MTH has not licensed DCS to any manufacturer. In fact, they are being quite difficult in the HO realm. While TMCC is a truly open code system and is licensed to about five other manufacturers (including Train America Studios who manufacture after-market boards), Mike Wolf has elected to keep DCS a closed system. Their latest round of board size reductions would make S gauge DCS trains more feasible. I would be nice if they entered the market, but I wouldn't hold my breath about MTH and S gauge. And, yes, I have checked out Protosounds vs. Railsounds upon numerous occasions and PS2 is woefully behind RS, particularly RS5.0. MTH trains have their strengths (smoke and a good cruise control, among others), but sound is not one of them. RSs have a stronger yet smoother "chuffs" with throttle-controlled DynaChuff. The whistle sounds are leagues apart and prototype specific with Lionel-installed RS. One can even "quill" the whistles in many of the latest RS5.0 engines (e. g, the gorgeous zero gauge N&W J 611 and the new AF Southern MIkado). Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/6/2005 12:45:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, femiro2002@... writes: >>Check out the latest edition of O GUAGE Mag., and you will see that Mike Wolf is making it possible for his DCS.<< and, >> As a note, check out MTH PROTO sounds and tell me what you think. << [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36859	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: The numbers on trains (?)

Does anyone know how identification numbers are assigned to both rolling stock and locomotives. a recent photo posted showed UP locomotive #3985 to have a plate with the # 70174. That spiked my curiosity. Thanks ! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36860	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: AM & S HELPER

You don't have to use a ZW, I use a KW but it will work with a large number of the old transformers, the higher voltage of the two mentioned transformers is nice but you can get away with less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36861	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: AM Santa Fe 4-8-4 #2923 picture

There is a good shot of the right side of this loco at: http://www.webpraxis.ab.ca/vrr/steam/us/atsf/pics/VR%5bIvdNfoiVPbw]_2923.jpg In fact, the site contains pictures of 14 of the 2900 series, numbers 2902 through 2929. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36862	From: wyhog	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Re: The numbers on trains (?)

It sounds to me like your are looking at the Builders Plate and its serial number. Locomotive builders gave each loco a distinctive serial number. Each builder had their own system. Some gave consecutive serial numbers to locos in order of construction irregardless of purchasing railroad. Some gave consecutive numbers to consecutive locos OF THE SAME PURCHASE ORDER. And some were almost random. Diesel-electrics also have serial numbers but are harder to find. They are stamped into the frames under the steps or above the coupler pocket. Wyhogg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36863	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36864	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/7/2005
Subject: I'm Back...

Hi All! Well, having made a lot of saw dust today, decided I best end the day by telling Yahoo it is OK to fill my email box with S-Trains messages once again. It has been quite a journey since I flipped the setting to not send messages as work (company startup) was eating WAY too much of my time for such distractions. Sawdust is due to building a train table today. Our builder's saw hourses seemed to be supporting a sorting / junk / work table for quite some time... some things needing to move into the basement for storage.... uuuggg, "means taking that thing apart / moving it / SOMETHING"... and "something" turned into a multi purpose table 8' by 8' compete with 36" by 16" control panel. Get various moving / shifting done, and some AF is jumping on the board... start coming up with a parts list to get our collection in proper working order, etc... So, guess if I am up to that much with trains, then I might as well see what in the world the topics and tone is around S-Trains these days. Hope old friends are still around... Barb, have not heard back on my direct mails to you in months now! ;-) Carl has kindly aided with keeping my AF flame burning through the rough months... much appreciated Carl! Anyway, 'tis how I say "I'm back" I guess. Blessings! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36865	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: NOTE ADDRESS CHANGE // the original "Marx Show & Tell" Meeting

Marx Show & Tell Meeting 7:00 pm Thursday October 13th, 2005 Liberty Fire Company 50 East 11th Avenue (this is the correct address) York, PA. Bring an Old Train Accessory or Toy. Bring an Ol' Friend Relax and Enjoy! York, TCA & You Very best, Mike Spanier TCA 85-21856 PS If directions are needed email: Marxshowntell@... PPS Minutes away from the York Fairgrounds [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36866	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Reminder - Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State ...

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Train Show Carnation Mall 2500 W. State St. West Alliance, Ohio Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 Time: 11:00AM - 6:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Same but still get some stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36867	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Re: AM Santa Fe 4-8-4 #2923 picture

That is pretty much a screwed up web site from an html authoring perspective. They do not allow direct linking to any picture. You cannot even view a picture full size and backup to the previous page in the browser. The only way you can look at these pics is first go to: http://www.webpraxis.ab.ca/vrr/ Then click on steam roster next click united states of america Then click A to expand now click on the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe selection to expand Scroll down and expand 484 class 2900 click on 2900 and you will see the start of the 2900 class. use the navigation arrow at the top of the page (the blue arros on the page not the browser arrows or you are lost again. right click and open the images in a new window or you will have to do all the crap above again. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AM Santa Fe 4-8-4 #2923 picture > There is a good shot of the right side of this loco at: > http://www.webpraxis.ab.ca/vrr/steam/us/atsf/pics/VR%5bIvdNfoiVPbw]_2923.jpg > In fact, the site contains pictures of 14 of the 2900 series, numbers 2902 > through 2929. > > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36868	From: mtoytrain@bellsouth.net	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Docksider and Smoke

Concerned about your Docksider or any engine giving off enough smoke, I found the answer today with a bottle of Affordable Smoke Fluid. Unreal and great aroma! "Orifinal AF Formula". I highly recommend it. Check out www.anormal1.com. Michael Strickland has produced a great product. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36869	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Computer Simulators...beginning of the end?

Okay, y'all...Here I go stirring things up again! I recently bought the TRAINZ 2006 computer program. While it'll probably take me months to figure it all out, I'm having a good time playing with it right now! This damn thing is addictive, and much better than the MicroSoft Trains Simulator. It has so many possibilities as to be nearly limitless! However, it got me to thinking. Is this the beginning of the end for model railroading? While I'm struggling to learn how to really use this thing, today's kids have grown up with computers. The few kids at school who already had TRAINZ 2004 are helping me. They have no desire to build a real train layout, they have a railroad in their computer. They are not limited by what they can afford to buy, product availibility, or space limitations! There are over 40,000 downloadable items, most free, and it all fits inside their computer. This is hard to argue against, especially to today's young'uns! We've been discussing this locally and have come to the conclusion that this is a preveiw of the future! Comments, anyone? Stumpy Stone...the sh** stirrer from Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36870	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: AM PA traction tires

I have a problem with an American Models PA, and need some information. This is an older production, but I believe new in box. Anyway, it is not worn out. The traction tires are on the rear axle of the front truck. There are no traction tires on the rear truck. My problem is that when pulling a relatively long train the front truck lifts the front axle enough that it always derails. Should the traction tire axle be the front axle on the front truck, which I would think would solve that problem? If so will it still work okay in an AA configuration with the locomotivea set back to front? This is my first experience with American models traction tires so any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36871	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: Just bought some stuff at a train show.

Fellas, just got some good old fashion american flyer trains at a train show. The 282 with the coal pusher. Which was originally 95$ the guy was selling for and I worked him down to a deal = 90.00$ Then I got the 710 erie flood light. AKA 646 with the red generator. He had the green generator but it was plastic not die cast. So it isn't worth the high price in the pocket price guide book. I got that red one for 35.00 they were all great deals. They all work and the 282 really knows how to chug and puff. Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36872	From: robbe_wan	Date: 10/8/2005
Subject: SF 2900 series

Hi, I wanted an index to these pictures for myself. I thought I would share the links I made for myself. Click on the link below: http://www.mwkiner.com/SF2900_series.htm MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36873	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: Re: The numbers on trains (?)

Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea of how the "Road or Equipment" number was determined to be 3985. Does the number come from the Railroad,the Maker, The Federal Government, and/or some other source? Thanks ! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36874	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: American Models FP7 traction tires

I messed up on my last note, its an American Models FP-7 ABA set, not a PA as I said before. My problem is that when pulling a relatively long train the front truck lifts the front axle enough that it always derails. Looks like a Funny Car doing a burn-out! At least once, pulling a heavy load (AF aluminum passenger cars) up a 3%, grade, one on the traction "bands" actually ccame off the wheel and got tangled with the pickup. Does anyone run a set of FP-7s with traction tires? Have you had a similar problem? The traction tires are on the rear axle of the front truck. There are no traction tires on the rear truck. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36875	From: rebendever	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: Call for 2006 Events--2006 1:64 Modeling Guide Calendar

1:64 Modeling Guide: Greetings List, We are preparing to print the 2006 1:64 Modeling Guide Calendars and if you have an event or know of an event that should be included, please send the information to us off-list at Product.News@... and we will include the information. Got something to get off your chest in the "Pop Valve?" Go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1-64ModelingGuidePopValve for the very latest news! Best Regards, ======================================== Richard E. Bendever, Editor 1:64 Modeling Guide "Everything that is anything in S-Standard, Sn3, Sn2, Sn42", 3:16" & 1:64 Scales." 910 Millvale Place, P. O. Box 465898, Lawrenceville, GA 30042-5898 www.DEBENLLC.com -- www.FineScaleMiniatures.Biz -- www.DoctorBens.Biz -- www.DrBens.Com ======================================= *NEW* Order /FAX Line: 770.979.5069

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36876	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/9/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36877	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: 1946 Atlantics

I am interested in getting as many varieties of the AF Atlantics as I can afford on alimited budget. Since I am new and ignorant and lacking in literature down -under in Australia I wonder if someone could please let me know the varieties of the 300 Atlantic made in 1946/47? Was there in fact a 300 with the track trip plungers? Was that followed by one with just the road name but no logo, then one with the logo and American Flyer Lines and finally one with the logo and American Flyer? And where do the 3/16" shank on the coupler and the coupler with weight fit in? Thank you Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36878	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together at York

Hi........ If anyone is still getting messages, There has been a change in location for the Gilbert Get-Together. Still on Thursday at 9pm. The location for this time only will be the Rainbow Room at the Valencia Ballroom. Signs will be posted at the Bridgeton Center. Please try to get the word out. Thanks! -Clay Buckage 96-42817 Tatamy, Pa. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36879	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2815

From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> Subject: 1946 Atlantics I am interested in getting as many varieties of the AF Atlantics as I can afford on alimited budget. Since I am new and ignorant and lacking in literature down -under in Australia I wonder if someone could please let me know the varieties of the 300 Atlantic made in 1946/47? Was there in fact a 300 with the track trip plungers? Was that followed by one with just the road name but no logo, then one with the logo and American Flyer Lines and finally one with the logo and American Flyer? And where do the 3/16" shank on the coupler and the coupler with weight fit in? Thank you Alistair I assume that when you refer to the track trip plungers, they are the brass buttons on the bottom of the loco. YES I have one, it came with three green passenger cars in "46". Running this loco, it has a tendency to bend the crosshead guides up. All the early loco's have a similar problem. I have an early 0-8-0 S.I.T. the crosshead guide will bend up and stall the loco. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36880	From: knockbill	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Re: Atlantics

Hi I also collect/rebuild Atlantics.... I find it hard to know the originallity of all the models since they are nearly 60 years old, and very easily converted from one engine/tender combo to another... For instance, the set I recieved as a gift long ago, was a satin silver bullet set my Aunt gave me..... since my cousins lost intrest & broke it, I got it with a Silver Bullet satin tender, 2 coaches, and a Royal Blue boiler..Seems she took it to get repaired & thats the closest thing he had to fix it,,,,, As far as your question,my earliest 300 (1946, I believe), has the 2 brass buttons, & the indented tender, left over from the O gage engines (565, I believe),stamped READING, in silver, ..... actually the boiler shell seems the same as the 565, with narrower steam chest to match the s gage width, they were both 3/16" so the other boiler parts are pretty much the same... The tender has the thin shank, with no weights,... Next in line was a thicker shank with no weights ,, Then, I think in 1948, they went to the brass weights (1947?),, and finally to the black weights.....And thats just the early 300's.... Any other thoughts Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36881	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Numbers on prototype locos

Numbers on RR equipment are determined by the railroad. IN the case of 3985, it is one of the "3900" class, all of which will be 4-6-6-4s. Within the number sequence there can be sub-classes, and the numbers do not always correspond, for instance on the SP a mogul can be of 1600 series, or 1700 series, and there are 7 classes of moguls (M-1 thru M-7) and I might have missed some, as this is from memory only! BTW, the famous SP4449 has a "twin," the BSNF 4449, a modern dismal loco. On the SP, under the cab number (say, 1727) will be a smaller series of numbers, I can't remember all of there meanings, but there will be a "fraction" giving cylinder diameater over stroke, and I think boiler pressure, as well as class (in this case, "M-6"). Not all railroads put this info on the cab sides. Manufacture's serial number is on the builders plate, usually mounted on both sides of the smokebox, and fequently stolen on park engines, and even museum engines. The diesels also had such plates, and they are stolen too, even from within the musuem! AAUGH!!! The UP has tried welding them on thier heritage fleet, but that doesn't even stop these so-call "Railfans." Sorry, I'm ranting now. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36882	From: wd511	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Northerns

I haven't noticed as much discussion as I would have expected about the new Northerns coming out from American Models & Lionel. What do you like or dislike about each of them?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36883	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Re: Northerns

I don't see what there is to debate about them currently. It is pretty certain that the L version is basically a clone of a 21140 with some updates to the motor and sound system, so no surprises here, and the AM version is still in the works and an unknown quantity. When both are released, then there will be a fair bit of debate, leaning more to the AM model I would say, until then I guess we just have to be patient. Neil T ----- Original Message ----- From: "wd511" <wayned10@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Northerns > I haven't noticed as much discussion as I would have expected about the > new Northerns coming out from American Models & Lionel. What do you > like or dislike about each of them? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36884	From: muniman18	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: 633 b&0

afternoon guy's maybe someone can help while...again looking at what i have i came across two b&o 633 box cars one red another tuscan and white i have an old 99 greenburg says the are approx 125 each is this possible both are in excellent shape also came across a hopper car 739 gray new haven can't find this in the book also have a flat car 934 says this is floodlight looks like a log or pipe car no stakes any help would be appreciated tyhx in advance mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36885	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: TTOS Train Show Recap

Howdy Folks, The Florida TTOS train show was a success. I measure that by the number of happy faces I saw running my trains on the modular layout I brought to the show. Two trains were running most of the day. The SHS Christmas train was on one track. An old Flyer Frontiersman (88, 20, 30, 30, 40) on another track. Once a while, I would substitute an American Models RS-3 to give my new SHS MC SW-9 a chance to cool down as I was breaking it in. A Putt trolley was looping on a third track. There was a steady stream of customers. Many young faces backed up by parents and grandparents. The kids always hated to leave. The adults often asked where they could get such trains. I had some literature to hand out. To me, this is the way to promote the hobby and the scale. Forget about panacea solutions such as more rivets, different colors, favorite prototypes, better transformers and such. Those are details. The best solution is to provide the kids with a chance to play with the things while the grown up providers are watching. The trains run, the kids laugh or stare with rapt expressions. The money people wonder how to reproduce that feeling at home. Create the interest and fill the need. If any of you, my colleagues in S, want to have a really good time, find a way to show your stuff and to let the next genration of operators play with them. We will need clubs with which to beat off the flood of new enthusiasts. Sincerely, Bill Porter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36886	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2005
Subject: Traction tires

In a message dated 10/10/05 8:19:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 2 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:04:58 -0400 From: Bill Clark <billclark42@...> Subject: American Models FP7 traction tires I messed up on my last note, its an American Models FP-7 ABA set, not a PA as I said before. My problem is that when pulling a relatively long train the front truck lifts the front axle enough that it always derails. Looks like a Funny Car doing a burn-out! At least once, pulling a heavy load (AF aluminum passenger cars) up a 3%, grade, one on the traction "bands" actually ccame off the wheel and got tangled with the pickup. Does anyone run a set of FP-7s with traction tires? Have you had a similar problem? The traction tires are on the rear axle of the front truck. There are no traction tires on the rear truck. Thanks! Bill Hi Bill: I've got nine different AM locos, including an FP-7, all with hirail wheels, and none of them came with traction tires. All are good pullers. Maybe you should consider replacing the wheelsets. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36887	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: SF 2900 series high quality image

Just in case you missed it I updated this page again. http://www.mwkiner.com/SF2900_series.htm The links to the pictures will work until midnight tonight. BTW I took the 2910 image which is one of the more clear pics, and worked on it in photoshop. I was able to "res up" the photo using bicubic interpolation and some other techniques in photoshop. I was able to get a very precise 12 mega pixel image. I may have to make myself an 11 x 14 quality print. I can post this image on my website if anyone is interested. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36888	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Traction Tires

I recall this occuring in my HO days. I think it was a simple case of 'overloading' the locomotive with too heavy a train. Shortening the train, or as Tom H. suggested, adding a second powered unit, should fix your problem. Ken > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:10:07 EDT > From: bilfrazier@... > Subject: Re:Traction tires > > > In a message dated 10/10/05 8:19:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 08:04:58 -0400 > From: Bill Clark <billclark42@...> > Subject: American Models FP7 traction tires > > I messed up on my last note, its an American Models FP-7 ABA set, not a PA > as I said before. > > My problem is that when pulling a relatively long train the front truck > lifts the front axle enough that it > always derails. Looks like a Funny Car doing a burn-out! > At least once, pulling a heavy load (AF aluminum passenger cars) up a 3%, > grade, one on the traction "bands" actually ccame off the wheel and got > tangled with the pickup. > > Does anyone run a set of FP-7s with traction tires? Have you had a similar > problem? > > The traction tires are on the rear axle of the front truck. There are no > traction tires on the rear truck. > > Thanks! > Bill > > > > Hi Bill: > > I've got nine different AM locos, including an FP-7, all with hirail > wheels, and none of them came with traction tires. All are good pullers. Maybe you > should consider replacing the wheelsets. > > Bill Frazier > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36889	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Docksider and DC Operation

Just received my Docksider (it takes awhile for things to travel downunder). Many thnaks to Doug at Portlines. The smoke fluid bottle was leaking inside its plastic packet but fortunately hadn't escaped! The instructions say not to run it on DC current. Unfortunately all my engines have been converted to DC and I don't really want to set up a separate AC track. Has anyone tried running the Docksider on DC and was there any damage? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36890	From: clifma19	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Caig Products

Does any one have Caig Deoxit for sale? Cliff Manning clifma19@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36891	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: York prices

For you folks attending York who still have email contact, can one (or more) of you keep an eye out for the 1997(?) Santa Fe PA A-A set and let me know afterwards what it was going for? I can't afford it right now, but I'd like to get an idea what to expect to pay and what the availability is. Thanks, Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36892	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Looking for stuff

Does anyone know of a source or have any wood streamline roof stock? Something like that was used on Chester or JC Models passenger cars. Also, I need a set of John Hall #105 Reading passenger car decals. Thanks, Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36893	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: re;Docksider and DC operation

I,too, run only straight DC power on my railway. I first ran the Docksider on AC to try it out in case of defects. Then I ran it on straight DC. It didn't seem to make any difference! It ran just the same, including the electronic e-unit. All of today's stuff uses DC can motors. The electronics convert the AC to DC so the e-unit and motor can use it. I intend to remove all the electronics and go straight DC motor. The choo choo, poor as it is, is a mechanical thing. The smoke unit is lame anyway, so it will be replaced by a Suethe unit. The only thing I'm not sure about is the lights. I think they're LEDs, so I'll lose voltage control when I remove the electronic board and probably have to replace them. I have not had time to start the butchery yet. The way folks are bidding these up, I may sell it! Barring that, I'll give a full report on the conversion mechanically and cosmetically. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36894	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Computer Simulators...beginning of the end?

Kinda like having your wife "IN" the computer. Can't make good use of them. The kids need to get their hands on live model RR trains to fully appreciate them. Stumpy Stone wrote: >the TRAINZ 2006 computer program. Replacing live model RR ing ? > > The program needs to be hooked up to a train layout. > However, it got me to thinking. Is this the beginning of the end >for model railroading? > > > Tell the kids that DCC can be hooked up to a computer. Not to mention the train camera in the loco. > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36895	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

923 BNSF 50' tank car (5-04) http://mopac1.tripod.com/923.gif 924 BNSF 50' tank car (7-05) http://mopac1.tripod.com/924.gif 925 GRR 40' Ortner Aggregate car (9-86) http://mopac1.tripod.com/925.gif 926 GRR 40' Ortner Aggregate car (9-86) http://mopac1.tripod.com/926.gif 927 ART steel reefer (1-65) http://mopac1.tripod.com/927.gif 928 ART steel reefer (9-58) http://mopac1.tripod.com/928.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $8.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. Tom Stolte - The Decal Machine - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36896	From: NASG Library	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Locomotive Numbering Systems

Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:31:09 EDT > From: WEG138@... >Subject: Re: RE: The numbers on trains (?) > >Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea of how the "Road or >Equipment" number was determined to be 3985. Does the number come from the >Railroad,the Maker, The Federal Government, and/or some other source? Thanks ! > Each railroad determines its own numbering system for its locomotives and rolling stock. Generally an item of a specific type or class receives a number in a predetermined block of numbers set aside for that type. Examples: UP 4-6-6-4 used 3900-series; UP 4-8-8-4 used 4000-series. NYC J3a 4-6-4 used 5401-5454. NYC 4-8-4 used 6000-6025 (except for one -- #5500). NYC E-7 and E-8 passenger diesels used 4000-series. Generally, for a given railroad, a loco or car's number is sufficient to identify its road class. E.g., #5414 on the NYC was a J3a Hudson. There is/was no agency that prevents dissimilar equipment on different roads from using the same number series. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36897	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: Northerns

----- Original Message ----- From: "wd511" <wayned10@...> I haven't noticed as much discussion as I would have expected about the new Northerns coming out from American Models & Lionel. What do you like or dislike about each of them? > > > > > > > I can't comment on the AF northerns, and I have to preface my comments on the AM northerns with the statement that I am a retailer of AM products. ref http://americanmodels.com/locos/4-8-4.phtml The American Models product will most likely live up to American Models' general requitation for quality products. Experts will probably find detail that is wrong or missing, but over-all it will be a well-running engine with pretty good detail for the mass (as opposed to brass) market. Steam locomotive experts will recognize the engine as one distinct ATSF locomotive, which will be good for those that are sold with oil tenders and lettered ATSF. This will be a drawback though for those that are marked for other roads, RI, LV, and CB&Q. People who know their steam locos will say "that's a Santa Fe engine you got there, painted RI or whatever." Just how many people know steam locos that well, I don't know. I think the majority of us don't worry that much about those things. The LV model will come with a coal tender. Judging by the pictures, it will be the same tender AM uses for its Pacifics. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36898	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/11/2005
Subject: Re: 633 b&0

Are you sure that 633 is Tuscan and not brown? The TM Guide says the Tuscan is worth thousands, not a mere 120. But the brown variations are around $50. If you have the brown, sell them to the guy quick! I'm not familiar with the backgrounds of both guides to speculate on the discrepancies. Maybe someone else can? The red is on the other end of the spectrum: $35 painted, $25 unpainted. The hopper isn't in the TM Guide either; yours may be a custom paint job. TM Guide agrees with Greenberg on the 934, but also lists a 934 Caboose. Perhaps it's another custom paint job? I don't know. Hope that helps. muniman18 <muniman18@...> wrote: afternoon guy's maybe someone can help while...again looking at what i have i came across two b&o 633 box cars one red another tuscan and white i have an old 99 greenburg says the are approx 125 each is this possible both are in excellent shape also came across a hopper car 739 gray new haven can't find this in the book also have a flat car 934 says this is floodlight looks like a log or pipe car no stakes any help would be appreciated tyhx in advance mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36899	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Firehouse kits shipping, News Advert

Hi Gang, We are finally starting to ship the Canyon County Firehouse kits this week. The large kit #601 will ship first and then kit #603 will start shipping next week. The low relief version is lagging a bit behind. Hopefully, it will be ready in a few weeks. Those who have prepaid orders will go first. It has been quite a project. Recently, many of our suppliers have raised their prices by as much as 40 percent. So we had to work hard to keep our kit prices down. We want to give the industry great value for the investment. With this kit, we have made many changes in our production practices. New equipment, materials and detail improvments. The new brick work caused our earlier kits to be discontinued. Once the stock is sold out on all older brick structures, they will be archived or revised. Opening doors will be one of our features in future kits. I could go on, but gotta stop. Too many good things to talk about. Here is a link, just click on the pics. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36900	From: bw_hansen	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: 718 Mail Car repair

My 718 Mail car has mysteriously stopped working after being stored for a couple of years. The trucks got turned inwards towards the center of the body so maybe the wires from the trucks came off. How can one get the body off the frame to do repairs? Thanks. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36901	From: muniman18	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: train guide

AFTERNOON GUY'S WHAT IS THE BEST GUIDE BOOK TO GET REGARDING AF TRAINS AS FAR AS VALUE VARIATIONS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THX MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36902	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: train guide

Greenberg puts out a pocket price guide, also available is the TM Illustrated Price Guide & History. (by Robert Bubeck & David Garrigues) MY favorite is "Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Gauge-Vol. 1: Motive Power and Rolling Stock". (by Joe Deger) Lots of photos and descriptions,....a few boo-boos here and there. Guides should be used as a "guide", nothing is carved in stone! ;^) Rick. AFTERNOON GUY'S WHAT IS THE BEST GUIDE BOOK TO GET REGARDING AF TRAINS AS FAR AS VALUE VARIATIONS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THX MIKE S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36903	From: John Foley	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: S Train Bridges

Hi Folks Many of you may know about the Hundred Year Bridge Co. http://www.100yearbridge.com/ but just in case you don't they manufacturer 4 train bridges in S. Click on address then web store They are metal and inexpensive. The company is owed by B&E Junction Electric Trains of York, Pa. And the will have them at the fairgrounds this weekend. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36904	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: Train Guide

I agree with Rick that "Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Gauge- Vol. 1: Motive Power and Rolling Stock" by Joe Deger is an excellennt resource for variations and lots of information, but it is old and out of print. Therefore the cost of the book is high ($100 or higher) and the prices in the book are well out of date. For current prices the Greenberg and TM guides are pretty good and not very expensive. If you are intereseted in today's prices just check out eBay. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36905	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: CAILUBE BY CAIG BLATANT AD!!!!!! SMOKE FLUID TOO

I have had a request for Calilube by CAIG from a member of this list. I still have about 8 Approx. 1oz containers of it left. I put it into 1oz containers because bthe average person will not use this much in a lifetime & the larger size is approx $30. The 1 oz size sells p[ost npaid for $11. What it is is a lube for armatures & contact points which can/will reduce arcing & your treated equipment will run better. It should run a bit cooler but thats a hard one to measure. Also I still am making my brand of smoke fluid that smokes at a lower temp. & voltage. It is also thinner & has been knowen to get a hard wick to soften. It performs better in the Mikado & Docksider as itis a thinner fluid & tends not to gum up your smoke unit. There are some on this list that can attest to my claims. You can get it also from Portlines Hobbies(Doug Peck) & from Joe's Train Repair. It sells for $10 +$3.50 shipping for approx. 4oz. Most sell a 2 oz size for abot the same price. This will last you quite awhile. If for ANY reason you are not happy with it E-Mail me & get ALL(including shipping)your $$$ back.(Thats if you buy it from me. But I have told Joe & Doug I would do the same for them. You can not lose your money if you are not happy with my fluid. My web site www.anormal1.com has the larger 8oz size & dealer info. Thank you for your time. PS: If you are getting parts from Doug or Joe you can save on the shipping ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36906	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: Train Guide

If you go to T&M's web site I believe that their first edition & second(Pocket size) are both now selling for $4.00 ea. The latest is 2 years old. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36907	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Re: 718 Mail Car repair

Remove the little pins holding the floor to the body. D. Dewey recommends a little heat from a soldering iron on the pins to do minimal damage to the holes and bosses. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bw_hansen" <hansenbw@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 718 Mail Car repair > My 718 Mail car has mysteriously stopped working after being stored > for a couple of years. The trucks got turned inwards towards the > center of the body so maybe the wires from the trucks came off. How > can one get the body off the frame to do repairs? Thanks. > > Bruce > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36908	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: CAIG & SMOKE FLUID AD!!!

Please contact me off list if you have an interest in either CAIG Mor My smoke Fluid that seems to work better at lower voltages. It is great in Mikado's & Docksiders, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36909	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2005
Subject: Smoke Fluid

Here is another FINE store thatI forgot to mention that carries my fluid. This is a fine place to see it being used & save on shipping & get a few good deals on AF Gilbert & LTI. Mike Chris Burger, Manager Elizabeth Station Toy Trains 1205 East Third Street Dayton, Ohio 45402 937-222-7251 or toll free 1-877-train90 1-877-872-4690 Orders only cbtrainnut@... NASG-NMRA-TCA-MVSG www.elizabethstation.com ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36910	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: New Docksider

I just received my Santa Fe version of the new Lionel Docksider. Like several have mentioned before, it will uncouple quite easily. Someone on this list mentioned altering the coupler spring. Could someone update on this, as I think they said they cut off part of the spring to ease up on the tension? I did notice that if I placed a heavy cast metal car right behind the Docksider that it did not uncouple. However, if you are planning on using it as a switcher this presents problems with most other cars. I should mention that I pulled about 13 cars behind it with somewhat ease, as it runs very smoothly. Now to the smoke unit, I tried using Mike's fluid with the original A.F. funnel. The funnel is not long enough to actually reach the unit. Not sure it is even going into the right chamber? Does anyone have a suggestion here? Thanks for any suggestions you may come up with on this neat new Docksider. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36911	From: yorktown26	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: A 1 Normal Smoke Fluid

Hi Guys, Just a note to report that I have had very good results using A 1 Normal Smoke Fluid, from Mike Strickland. My Mikado smokes well at Moderate voltage using conventional mode and the smoke is Terrific on TMCC mode using this fluid. Also I have more smoke output from my AF # 282 steamer using A 1 Normal, which I believe has softened and saturated the wick. I can't report on my Docksider as this little engine has stopped smoking all together despite never having been run dry. I'll report after it comes back from repair. Aside from weak smoke , has anyone else had this problem of a dead unit. Thanks, Dennis Caruso Ct S gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36912	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Re: New Docksider

To all.. I just got my docksider too and did a test run. It does run nicely, and of course I intend to convert to TMCC and sound ASAP. So... It had to be examined internally as soon as it came off of the track to see if it will be feasible. Yes is will fit! Here are my initial observations. 1. Coupler spring is a stiff as a board. Need replacing with a Geep/Alco truck spring. Easy fix. 2. Smoke unit has had a lot of engineering done to it but it still comes up short primarily due to it's tiny size. There was enough room in there to design a larger unit that would both chuff so you could hear it and put out volumes of smoke. The unit's piston has two "O" rings for a seal and it does puff as well as it can given it's small size however the orifice is so small that it's chuff volume at best is a squeak. The smoke element is a 16 ohm resistor and it uses a ballast board to drop the track voltage. I measured a maximum of 4 volts at the element with 18 track volts. Normal running voltage of 8-10 volts only shows a couple of volts at the element. There needs to be a regulator board for the smoke unit to keep it hot at all track voltages. More to come on this later. It can be easily overfilled and that will stop the smoking. If you take the smoke unit apart be careful not to cover the inlet air hole in the smoke chamber with the wicking when re-assembling. I may try replacing the smoke element with a higher resistance type used in the AF smoke units, modified to fit, as they are better at wicking the fluid and can use full track voltage. There is a smoke pipe with an "O" ring that runs up the smokestack so the smoke fluid does get to the unit when filling. 3. The chassis is very nicely done and the pickups are a great improvement. The stall current is only .7 amps. 4. The blue/white LEDs have to go on mine to be replaced with golden/white ones. I plan to post pictures of the exploratory on my site soon. On another note, the new drive system on the new Geeps and Alcos is a completely new design with all 6 wheels gear driven and the motor in the chassis. More to come there too. Carl -----Original Message----- From: ruth.leahy@... [mailto:ruth.leahy@...] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Docksider I just received my Santa Fe version of the new Lionel Docksider. Like several have mentioned before, it will uncouple quite easily. Someone on this list mentioned altering the coupler spring. Could someone update on this, as I think they said they cut off part of the spring to ease up on the tension? I did notice that if I placed a heavy cast metal car right behind the Docksider that it did not uncouple. However, if you are planning on using it as a switcher this presents problems with most other cars. I should mention that I pulled about 13 cars behind it with somewhat ease, as it runs very smoothly. Now to the smoke unit, I tried using Mike's fluid with the original A.F. funnel. The funnel is not long enough to actually reach the unit. Not sure it is even going into the right chamber? Does anyone have a suggestion here? Thanks for any suggestions you may come up with on this neat new Docksider. Mike Leahy S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36913	From: Chris	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Re: A New Member

Glenn: Without photographs, or at least some road numbers, it is impossible to be certain of what you have. I have some experience talking with people who find themselves in possession of trains without the corresponding knowledge of their operation, and I surmise that what you have are two rail S-gauge steam locomotives with directional control devices in the tenders, manufactured by the A.C. Gilbert Company of New Haven, Connecticut, between 1948 and 1960. My wife refers to all electronic components as a "diode". When I talk with friends about things technical, she says we are "talking about diodes again". Likewise, I suspect that what you are referring to as rectifiers in the tenders are likely to be solenoid driven stepping units that use a barrel shaped drum to accomplish two pole, dual throw switching to change the train direction. Rectifiers are devices for making useful Direct Current electricity from Alternating Current. With two exceptions, American Flyer trains would not need rectifiers. The universal motors in A.C. Gilbert S- Gauge Flyers will run well on either AC or DC power. The exceptions are the 332DC "Challenger" Northern 4-8-4 and the 342DC 0-8-0 switch engine. These two items, which were marketed as "Directronic Control" trains, ran only on DC and have tenders which are devoid of all devices, save the wires passing through to the motor from the pick-up trucks. The engines were made for a few years around 1947-1950 and then the DC was dropped from the line, though the engines remained, powered conventionally. Gilbert marketed a "Rectiformer", which was a transformer containing a rectifier, and also sold separate rectifiers which could be placed between the transformer and the track. I own these engines and have added small, modern rectifiers to the tenders so that I can operate them along with my other trains on AC power. Tender mounted rectifiers were not an offering of the Gilbert line. If aftermarket rectifiers have indeed been installed, these trains must be operated on AC only. The standard of operation for American Flyer trains is 7 to 14 volts of AC. 12 Volts is a decent level for testing operation. Trains equipped with the aforementioned reversing units must be tested in an upright position as gravity affects the unit's operation. Old trains will have sticky, gummy residues impeding good operation. Competent servicing of motors and onboard electrical devices will bear much fruit. Do not leave voltage applied to non-operating trains as it may burn up contacts and armatures. For detailed assistance, post again to our list with a schedule of cab numbers (the numbers on the side of the engines) as this will facilitate identification. There is a file area in which you can post photographs and then tell us where they are located so we can view your trains. These steps will go a long way toward achieving your goals, which I presume would be either to possess and play with these items or, to sell them. Cordially, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36914	From: David Girson	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Restored AFs on Ebay.....

Hi, Can anyone recommend ebay seller C13092, who restores and auctions AF steam engines. The feedback is always good. Has anyone bought from this person, I believe is name is Dave.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36915	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Slightly off topic - Full size trains

Here is an item that came in on another list about a reading 4-8-4 being moved from the Toronto (?) area to the northwest to run excursions. I do not know any of the details but there are some great 4-8-4 shots in here. You may have to cut and paste the link to make it work. Eric Kirkland, Wa. From the PSRails list: Locomotive and tender are being loaded onto flat cars. Destination unknown... Tacoma? http://photobucket.com/albums/b32/railpast4/Reading%202100%20The%20Big%20Lif t/?start=0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36916	From: Ken Garber	Date: 10/13/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Slightly off topic - Full size trains

Eric & Jean Reis wrote: > Here is an item that came in on another list about a reading 4-8-4 being > moved from the Toronto (?) area to the northwest to run excursions. I do not > know any of the details but there are some great 4-8-4 shots in here. > Ex-Reading 2100 (a Northern) which sat for years in St. Thomas Ontario for repairs, is on its way on the CP to Tacoma Washington for excursion purposes. The engine and the tender are riding on flatcars (heavy duty with 3-axle trucks) and an extra tender was running on its own wheels. At last trace it was somewhere in the Canadian prairies but may already be at or near its destination. It's supposed to be interchanged to the BNSF in southern BC but I forget where. So if you ever want to run your new AM Northern on a flatcar, there's a prototype for it. Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36917	From: Chris	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: A New Member

I have now seen much of this collection from photographs posted at: http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/my_photos . It is a very interesting collection and worth a look by anyone on this list. In the main, it is composed of kitbashed American Flyer steamers and Geeps, converted to scale or near scale operation. NYC is the favored road. Original Flyer numbers are gone in favor of NYC road numbers. All have been re-painted and lettered. A set of gray lightning stripe PA's, complete with diaphragms, looked pretty good. Some of the Flyer has been Anglicised, that is, decorated for English rail service. Some of the cabs have been cut open in the British LNER style. Humor is evident in the red "York Central" Atlantic. Just drop the "New"! There is also a comical early 20th. century engine whose derivation is not clear. Not all engines are Flyer. Some appear to be from other manufacturers, including a great looking boxcab electric. I would really like to also see the 4-6-6-4 promised in Glenn's e-mail. Couplers seem to be Flyer knuckles, while the track looks like brass scale, code unknown. Passenger cars look like Flyer stock that has been so heavily kitbashed it is unrecognizable, or else, it is British "S" equipment dressed in NYC livery. I'm just not sure. The matter of rectifiers is apparently true as the original re-builder labelled the chassis with the rectifier capacity and marked them as DC. This is confusing, to say the least. If he was operating scale DC trains on AC power and added rectifiers to accomodate the DC motors, this would make sense. But Flyer engines already operate on AC power. Why rectify it? Sure, the universal motors will still work on DC, but the rectifying step is wasting power and is unneccessary. Unless he re-motored the Flyer in DC to match his other scale DC trains. This also would have been unneccessary, since the Flyer would have worked on the DC power. Besides, if you are using DC to run your trains, rectifiers won't make AC motors work on DC. They make DC motors work on AC. Glenn promises a picture of the rectifiers next Tuesday. Until then, the motives of the builder are a mystery to me. Is it possible that A.C. Gilbert motored all of it's products in D.C. for the British market? That would then make sense. The operator had AC power from some other trains and installed rectifiers in each Flyer engine. Now that's a piece of history I'd like to know more about. Glenn, collectible values on these trains is nil. Once trains are modified and painted they become operating stock. Their value is no longer determined by collector's price guides or their like. The trains exist strictly in a demand market among operators and train lovers. They may still bring a fair amount of money in a sale. None of the smaller Flyer steamers are so valuable that much was lost in repainting. The Alco 3 diesel set can sell for a great deal of money if it is the right livery. If it started out in life as the Union Pacific or Northern Pacific, then the repaint would have caused a substantial monetary drop. If it was a Santa Fe red and silver set in poor condition, it might actually be worth a little more now than it was. The docksider loco is worth a few bucks in mint condition as is any Flyer switch engine. The 4-8-4 Northern varies from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars depending on year of production and current condition. Re-painted, a $2000 one will lose much of the higher value, while a $400 one should still be worth about $350. Of course, none of this will matter if all you want to do is run 'em! Try 12 volts AC to start. AC is what you would apply to an engine containing a DC motor powered through a rectifier. I hope this has been of help to you. I look forward to seeing the rest. Stay in touch. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36918	From: chudgr	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid

Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:19:11 -0000 From: "yorktown26" <CDenncaru@...> Subject: A 1 Normal Smoke Fluid Hi Guys, Just a note to report that I have had very good results using A 1 Normal Smoke Fluid, from Mike Strickland. My Mikado smokes well at Moderate voltage using conventional mode and the smoke is Terrific on TMCC mode using this fluid. Also I have more smoke output from my AF # 282 steamer using A 1 Normal, which I believe has softened and saturated the wick. I can't report on my Docksider as this little engine has stopped smoking all together despite never having been run dry. I'll report after it comes back from repair. Aside from weak smoke , has anyone else had this problem of a dead unit. Thanks, Dennis Caruso Ct S gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36919	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Citrus Shed Structure

Greetings: Are you like me, have lots of reefer cars with no place to go? <VBG> I went looking on the net for a citrus packing shed and found this low relief backdrop model at Showcase Miniatures. Go to http://www.showcaseminiatures.com/ and click on the link to HO Structures. I have contacted the manufacturer and he will agree to make the kit in S if I can get a commitment for 50 orders. The building's foot print will be about 20 inches wide, about 6 inches tall and 1 3/4th inch deep. The cost would be approximately $50US, plus shipping. I will gladly coordinate this project. No deposits are required (at least not at this time). I just need to know if you are interested and/or willing to commitment to ordering one or more of these buildings. Please contact me offline. Thank you! John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36920	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: A New Member

There are certainly a lot of pictures. Makes me glad I have broadband service. I wonder if the rectifier engines have been modified with a set of 4 diodes (or a brige package) so that directional control comes from the DC polarity. I have done that and it works nicely. I even sell the old reversing units to other train guys. Paul Yorke has a page on his web site with the information about how to do that: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm Good Luck, Bill > I have now seen much of this collection from photographs posted at: > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/my_photos . > > It is a very interesting collection and worth a look by anyone on this > list. In the main, it is composed of kitbashed American Flyer > steamers and Geeps, converted to scale or near scale operation. NYC > is the favored road. Original Flyer numbers are gone in favor of NYC > road numbers. All have been re-painted and lettered. A set of gray > lightning stripe PA's, complete with diaphragms, looked pretty good. > > Some of the Flyer has been Anglicised, that is, decorated for English > rail service. Some of the cabs have been cut open in the British LNER > style. Humor is evident in the red "York Central" Atlantic. Just > drop the "New"! There is also a comical early 20th. century engine > whose derivation is not clear. > > Not all engines are Flyer. Some appear to be from other > manufacturers, including a great looking boxcab electric. > I would really like to also see the 4-6-6-4 promised in Glenn's e-mail. > > Couplers seem to be Flyer knuckles, while the track looks like brass > scale, code unknown. Passenger cars look like Flyer stock that has > been so heavily kitbashed it is unrecognizable, or else, it is > British "S" equipment dressed in NYC livery. I'm just not sure. > > The matter of rectifiers is apparently true as the original re-builder > labelled the chassis with the rectifier capacity and marked them as DC. > This is confusing, to say the least. If he was operating scale DC > trains on AC power and added rectifiers to accomodate the DC motors, > this would make sense. But Flyer engines already operate on AC > power. Why rectify it? Sure, the universal motors will still work on > DC, but the rectifying step is wasting power and is unneccessary. > Unless he re-motored the Flyer in DC to match his other scale DC > trains. This also would have been unneccessary, since the Flyer would > have worked on the DC power. Besides, if you are using DC to run your > trains, rectifiers won't make AC motors work on DC. They make DC > motors work on AC. Glenn promises a picture of the rectifiers next > Tuesday. Until then, the motives of the builder are a mystery to me. > > Is it possible that A.C. Gilbert motored all of it's products in D.C. > for the British market? That would then make sense. The operator had > AC power from some other trains and installed rectifiers in each Flyer > engine. Now that's a piece of history I'd like to know more about. > > Glenn, collectible values on these trains is nil. Once trains are > modified and painted they become operating stock. Their value is no > longer determined by collector's price guides or their like. The > trains exist strictly in a demand market among operators and train > lovers. They may still bring a fair amount of money in a sale. None > of the smaller Flyer steamers are so valuable that much was lost in > repainting. The Alco 3 diesel set can sell for a great deal of money > if it is the right livery. If it started out in life as the Union > Pacific or Northern Pacific, then the repaint would have caused a > substantial monetary drop. If it was a Santa Fe red and silver set in > poor condition, it might actually be worth a little more now than it > was. The docksider loco is worth a few bucks in mint condition as is > any Flyer switch engine. The 4-8-4 Northern varies from a few hundred > to a few thousand dollars depending on year of production and current > condition. Re-painted, a $2000 one will lose much of the higher > value, while a $400 one should still be worth about $350. > > Of course, none of this will matter if all you want to do is run 'em! > Try 12 volts AC to start. AC is what you would apply to an engine > containing a DC motor powered through a rectifier. > > I hope this has been of help to you. I look forward to seeing the > rest. Stay in touch. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36921	From: Chris	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A New Member

Bill sez: I wonder if the rectifier engines have been modified with a set of 4 diodes (or a brige package) so that directional control comes from the DC polarity. I have done that and it works nicely. I even sell the old reversing units to other train guys. Paul Yorke has a page on his web site with the information about how to do that: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm Bill: HOLY COW, you're right! I totally forgot about that. Chuck Smith posted it and said that would convert universal motors to DC operation which would make them compatible with other scale DC locos. I can't wait to see the photo of the rectifier installation to determine if that is what is going on. If it is, then my instruction to use AC power was all wrong! I think Glenn already has applied power to these trains since his pictures include comments about their running. Good catch on this thing! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36922	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: Running AF on DC

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <busyboy@...> . . . . The matter of rectifiers is apparently true as the original re-builder labelled the chassis with the rectifier capacity and marked them as DC. . . . . . . If he was operating scale DC trains on AC power and added rectifiers to accomodate the DC motors, this would make sense. But Flyer engines already operate on AC power. Why rectify it? . . . . . . > > > > > > > -------Response------------ In the bad old days when about all we had for steam engines was AF, and we wanted to run them on DC track power and have the advantage of DC direction control, we replaced the "e-unit" with a bridge rectifier, made from four diodes. The Direct Current output of this rectifier went to the field winding only, not to the armature, making it act like a permanent magnet. Its polarity would not change. Then the DC power in the track would go to the armature, and the polarity in that armature could be reversed by reversing the track polarity. This gives you direction control by reversing the DC track polarity, just like they do in model railroading. You now cannot run this engine on AC. There was an article on this in the S Gauge Herald many years ago. Some time when I'm not busy I'll see if I can find it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36923	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: 718 Mail Car repair

OK, now that I have applied heat to the head of the pin, what is the best meathodology to "grab" the rounded head of these pins to extract them (without gauling them all up). Also, are the pin fluted (threaded) or straight? Also I find it interesting that I have two of these cars (that have never had the trucks turned-under) and they both have the same symptoms as the original posters. Rick >From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>,"bw_hansen" <hansenbw@...> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 718 Mail Car repair >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:56:49 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 208.34.105.21 >X-Sender: cesmith@... >Received: from n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com ([216.155.201.61]) by >mc10-f19.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 13 Oct 2005 >20:56:45 -0700 >Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct >2005 22:52:13 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 >Oct 2005 22:52:13 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 >Oct 2005 22:52:12 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17311 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 22:52:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >12 Oct 2005 22:52:11 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by >mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 22:52:11 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct >2005 22:51:20 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 >Oct 2005 22:49:35 -0000 >Received: (qmail 71578 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2005 21:56:27 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; >12 Oct 2005 21:56:27 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO ntvop3.netaccnt.net) (208.34.105.21) by >mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2005 21:56:27 -0000 >Received: from oemcomputer (unverified [208.34.110.44]) by >ntvop3.netaccnt.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.361.21) with SMTP id ><B0200491769@...>; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:56:25 -0400 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jH946ARqKggVX58S8K1QnvHsAFMu5sfrko= >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=yahoogroups.com;b=oF+1MCDn6K6kBUs1+FQQlinS3fW/DKc5vlhVNkoqfBUtn8K4VC3XcFzYxjZlp3Jyu+I3EyJeEdmChdr1LGRp4Z6HBno1EjAMibjeuZF9MPKR6fTmV5nRCv+sbqYtybSD; >X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email >Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys >X-Apparently-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >References: <dijgbt+dhoa@...> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X-Yahoo-Profile: chasesmithus >X-eGroups-Approved-By: carl4flyer <carl@...> via web; 12 Oct 2005 >22:49:34 -0000 >Mailing-List: list S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; contact >S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >List-Id: <S-Trains.yahoogroups.com> >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> >Return-Path: >sentto-26283-36923-1129157532-SDSAILMAN=HotMail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 03:56:46.0063 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4BC02FF0:01C5D073] > >Remove the little pins holding the floor to the body. D. Dewey recommends >a >little heat from a soldering iron on the pins to do minimal damage to the >holes and bosses. >Chuck Smith, >On matters of style swim with the current. >On matters of substance stand like a rock. >Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bw_hansen" <hansenbw@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:15 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] 718 Mail Car repair > > > > My 718 Mail car has mysteriously stopped working after being stored > > for a couple of years. The trucks got turned inwards towards the > > center of the body so maybe the wires from the trucks came off. How > > can one get the body off the frame to do repairs? Thanks. > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36924	From: Phil K	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Re: New Docksider

I tested one of my new docksiders last night. Could hear the chug, but it is (as all have said) pretty weak. Would enlarging the hole the piston pushes air thru enhance the sound volume? I also ran the locomotive pulling six AM heavyweights. It held the 27-inch AM track curves well at 16v (using about 0.2 amps) but was still going way too fast pulling that weight for my liking -- did not look realistic at that speed. I got to 16v because I kept bumping up the track voltage starting from 6v by one volt every two revolutions (the main loop it was on is 48 feet long) and found it would not smoke visibly (and JUST BARELY satisfactorily) until it reached that 16V level (I'm using the Strickland juice). Of course, I'm used to my Mikados belching smoke all over the basement, so maybe we're all spoiled. So I'm wondering if there's a way to gear down the motor (reduce voltage with diodes?) so it will run at a more realistic speed at 16V and smoke decently at the same time? Or can we tinker with the smoke unit to get better output at a realistic track speed (lower voltage?). Regarding the blue/white LEDs -- is there a tranparent paint that when applied to the LED would change the color to golden white? Just wondering while I rue not being able to go to York this weekend, Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@w...> wrote: > > To all.. > > I just got my docksider too and did a test run. It does run nicely, and of > course I intend to convert to TMCC and sound ASAP. So... It had to be > examined internally as soon as it came off of the track to see if it will be > feasible. Yes is will fit! > > Here are my initial observations. > > 1. Coupler spring is a stiff as a board. Need replacing with a Geep/Alco > truck spring. Easy fix. > > 2. Smoke unit has had a lot of engineering done to it but it still comes up > short primarily due to it's tiny size. There was enough room in there to > design a larger unit that would both chuff so you could hear it and put out > volumes of smoke. The unit's piston has two "O" rings for a seal and it does > puff as well as it can given it's small size however the orifice is so small > that it's chuff volume at best is a squeak. The smoke element is a 16 ohm > resistor and it uses a ballast board to drop the track voltage. I measured a > maximum of 4 volts at the element with 18 track volts. Normal running > voltage of 8-10 volts only shows a couple of volts at the element. There > needs to be a regulator board for the smoke unit to keep it hot at all track > voltages. More to come on this later. It can be easily overfilled and that > will stop the smoking. If you take the smoke unit apart be careful not to > cover the inlet air hole in the smoke chamber with the wicking when > re-assembling. I may try replacing the smoke element with a higher > resistance type used in the AF smoke units, modified to fit, as they are > better at wicking the fluid and can use full track voltage. > > There is a smoke pipe with an "O" ring that runs up the smokestack so the > smoke fluid does get to the unit when filling. > > > 3. The chassis is very nicely done and the pickups are a great improvement. > The stall current is only .7 amps. > > 4. The blue/white LEDs have to go on mine to be replaced with golden/white > ones. > > I plan to post pictures of the exploratory on my site soon. > > On another note, the new drive system on the new Geeps and Alcos is a > completely new design with all 6 wheels gear driven and the motor in the > chassis. More to come there too. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: ruth.leahy@c... [mailto:ruth.leahy@c...] > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:06 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New Docksider > > > > I just received my Santa Fe version of the new Lionel Docksider. Like > several have mentioned before, it will uncouple quite easily. Someone on > this list mentioned altering the coupler spring. Could someone update on > this, as I think they said they cut off part of the spring to ease up on the > tension? I did notice that if I placed a heavy cast metal car right behind > the Docksider that it did not uncouple. However, if you are planning on > using it as a switcher this presents problems with most other cars. I > should mention that I pulled about 13 cars behind it with somewhat ease, as > it runs very smoothly. > > Now to the smoke unit, I tried using Mike's fluid with the original A.F. > funnel. The funnel is not long enough to actually reach the unit. Not sure > it is even going into the right chamber? Does anyone have a suggestion > here? > > Thanks for any suggestions you may come up with on this neat new Docksider. > > Mike Leahy > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36925	From: s_trains	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: B&O (fly-onel) Docksider for sale

If you are interested in buying this loco, please contact me off-list. It is brand new and still in the box. Never run. Paul Yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36926	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/14/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 16, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36927	From: beebear	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Fast Tracks

Has anyone used the Fast Tracks switch building kits from Tim Warris? Are they compatible with the old flyer track? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36928	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Anyone see pics of Ross S #4's yet?

http://www.rossswitches.com/newstuff/newstuff.html#sgauge Just wondering if someone might have seen these at a show or somewhere and taken a pic. The web site still has no pics and it has been nearly a year I think. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36929	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Docksider Questions

I have not had much luck with the smoke unit either. One time it thought I saw a glimmer of smoke come out, but really nothing you can really observe. Still have not heard back on the uncoupler spring on the Docksider. I am sure someone from this group said they cut the spring down & it works fine now? Am I correct on this? If that actually works, it would appear to be the easiest way to correct the problem. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36930	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer trains.

I am the kind of guy who believes that taking a cherished busted up train and repainting, putting it back together with different parts from other trains and making "frankenstein train" is wrong. There is nothing wrong with going and getting a engine fixed or car repaired as long as it is matching and same year parts. I just think taking a eBay 4-4-2 american flyer memory train and rebuilding it and converting it to a 4-8-4 is like saying we are going to celebrate Christmas on June 13 from now on. Like taking a traditional day and rebuilding it so it is celebrated on a different day. I like to stay original. Request: Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36931	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: 718 Mail Car Repair

Hey Rick (Not BBQ Rick!) You don't have to grab the head of the pin--that's what's nice about "my method." Carefully put tip of soldering iron on head of pin, while holding the body so your fingers can pull up on the floor part (by pushing on the truck). this will lift the pin, then go to the other pin on that same end. And then of course on the other end, and then any in between. When putting the floor back on, place the pins in their holes with needle nose pliers--if you are careful, you can "feel" when the flutes fall into the grooves they made in the plastic. Now push the pins in place with the warm soldering iron, doesn't take any pressure, once the pin is warm enough. My theory on this method is that it does not strain the plastic bosses, whiich are now much more brittle than when they were new. One does have to be VERY careful with the soldering iron, or you will put a melt mark in the body when it slips off the pin! (Mistakes like that fall under what my family calls "the Dewey Effect" - the same malady that causes one to walk to the wrong table at the train show and miss that 21004 for $25 at the next table. :) BTW, before going into the body, check that you don't have just enough corrosion on the contact finger that the car isn't activated. Apply power to the truck rivets and see if the mechanism works then. It is amazing what a little corrosion can do in the wrong place! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36932	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: UP Flyonel Mikado

I have been running my UP Mikado for a couple weeks or so and have noticed a couple of things. They redesigned the pilot truck, at least mine is different than either my NYC or B&O. A few folks had to add washers to limit movement on the previous version due to I believe derailment in certain situations. Don't recall much about the details. Most of the time I have operated mine has been on larger radius track. A couple of days ago I placed in on a loop with AF nominal 19" radius track and noticed that at some speeds and conditions. (this track is a little rough.) I get contact between the flange and the steam chest. This results in a short and a visible spark. My NYC engine (without any pilot mods) does not do this. Anyone else experienceing this and have they experimented with any possible solutions? I took the pilot truck apart, and disn't see anything assembled wrong. I noticed after R&R that it was better. It wouldn't take much forward movement of the truck to prevent contact. MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36933	From: briggsmodels	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Fairmont Speeder update

Hello all, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone that has placed a reservation with Briggs Models for a Fairmont speeder.After November 15th we are no longer taking reservations, so if you would like to get one of these models, please visit our website for details on how to place a reservation. Thank you! Jeff Briggs Briggs Models members.shaw.ca/briggsmodels/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36934	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: the docker is 'sold'

I sold my docksider. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36935	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider Questions/Answer

Hi MIke, I mentioned that I simply filed a bit off the spring to shorten it and thereby reducing the force on the coupler. I just filed a bit off the shoulders of the spring after first removing the coupler. It was a matter of trial and error, so I can't tell you how much metal to remove. But it wasn't much. I wish I could be more specific. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ruth.leahy@c... wrote: > > I have not had much luck with the smoke unit either. One time it thought I > saw a glimmer of smoke come out, but really nothing you can really observe. > > Still have not heard back on the uncoupler spring on the Docksider. I am sure > someone from this group said they cut the spring down & it works fine now? Am > I correct on this? If that actually works, it would appear to be the easiest > way to correct the problem. > > Mike Leahy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36936	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/15/2005
Subject: Docksider Photo Review

I posted a Photo review of the new Docksider at: http://www.tuveson.com/Docksider/docksiderReview.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36937	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re;Docksider Photo Reveiw

Carl, this is just the information we needed! I, too, intend to modify my new Docksider, not only cosmetically, but mechanically. I intend to go straight DC power and will be removing the e-unit. Since it appears there is one electronics package with everything on it, I'll loose any voltage regulators and the LEDs. However, would this allow the smoke unit to run up to voltage? I'm running an HO power pack, so I still won't get 18 volts. Would enlarging the hole between the piston and smoke chamber do anything to increase the sound or smoke from this unit? My original plan was to forget the chuff (which I can't hear anyway) and put a Suethe smoke unit in the loco. But if I can modify what is there, why not? Thanks for your pictures and information. It will make it easier to upgrade this loco. Stumpy Stone...still working on the new layout...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36938	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: re;I believe you should never restore or repair American Flyer trai

My dearest "faltrains5"...You and I must agree to disagree! I would much rather breathe new life into rusting carcases than let them rot uselessly in some junk pile. To me, every Flyer train brought back to life means they are again bringing joy to someone. From my observation, most of the folks who rework old Flyer have a healthy respect for Gilbert products. The American Flyer locos and rolling stock I have rebuilt, repainted, or modified are common items of low value. Most have come from flea market and train show junk boxes where their life had ended! You will be happy to know that I have much more S-Helper, American Models, and other modern stuff in my fleet, so I therefore am "endangering" very few Gilbert trains. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36939	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Docksider Photo Reveiw

Stumpy, I am working the on getting more air from the piston to out the smokestack too. The orifices are very small and there is a bit of pressure and flow physics involved in the design. It is a balance of making the air chuff noise, push smoke and a one-way valve for the piston. However I too think that since the chuff seems to be a mute point, pun intended, lets concentrate on moving as much air through the smoke chamber and also heating up the element. As it is the 16 ohm resistor by it's self may still burn out at 12 volts. A couple of things to try would be a 5 volt regulator board (LM7905) using the same 16 ohm element, or some type of bulb ballast in series with it. This would work on variable DC or AC track voltage. I will probably change to a higher value element of 27 ohms because I will be using a TMCC board that provides a constant 7 volts DC and 14 volts AC when smoke boost it used. The noise baffle is removable and can be retrofitted with one that has a larger hole and the holes in the inlet of the smoke chamber and the piston can be enlarged a bit too. It will tak some expermenting and I want to any changes I do to be reversable incase it didn't work as well as I had hoped. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Docksider Photo Reveiw Carl, this is just the information we needed! I, too, intend to modify my new Docksider, not only cosmetically, but mechanically. I intend to go straight DC power and will be removing the e-unit. Since it appears there is one electronics package with everything on it, I'll loose any voltage regulators and the LEDs. However, would this allow the smoke unit to run up to voltage? I'm running an HO power pack, so I still won't get 18 volts. Would enlarging the hole between the piston and smoke chamber do anything to increase the sound or smoke from this unit? My original plan was to forget the chuff (which I can't hear anyway) and put a Suethe smoke unit in the loco. But if I can modify what is there, why not? Thanks for your pictures and information. It will make it easier to upgrade this loco. Stumpy Stone...still working on the new layout...Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36940	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: re;I believe you should never restore or repair American Flyer

Stumpy, You and I must be related somehow. I agree with everything you say (including agreeing to disagree). This hobby is large enough to accomodate all outlooks, and I certainly don't disrespect others' opinions. That's the great thing about S. Hope to meet most of you guys at the 2006 NASG convention in Pontiac next Summer. I'm the registrar and will be manning the registration table with others in my club (the SMSG). It will be great to put a face to all the names! Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > My dearest "faltrains5"...You and I must agree to disagree! I would > much rather breathe new life into rusting carcases than let them rot > uselessly in some junk pile. To me, every Flyer train brought back to > life means they are again bringing joy to someone. > From my observation, most of the folks who rework old Flyer have a > healthy respect for Gilbert products. > The American Flyer locos and rolling stock I have rebuilt, > repainted, or modified are common items of low value. Most have come > from flea market and train show junk boxes where their life had ended! > You will be happy to know that I have much more S-Helper, American > Models, and other modern stuff in my fleet, so I therefore > am "endangering" very few Gilbert trains. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36941	From: knockbill	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: York Week

Hi, Well, York week is over for this fall,& I'm just starting to dry out,, We were there from Tuesday on, and the rainy weather did hinder the bandit meets, however I made some pretty good deals with some die-hards who weathered the storms.....Lots of parts, and a couple of sets, I even broke down and finally bought a diesel set (372 Geep), lots of discussion about the times & rule changes, so I guess we will see how the next show works out..... I met a few people on the list this time, I hope everyone had as fine a time as I did, despite the weather......A bad day at York is better than a great day at work..... And, gas was $2.38 just West of Rockvale!!!!! Any other thoughts? Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36942	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: re;I believe you should never

Hi Jerry & Stumpy, I also agree with salvaging wrecks As some are running on my layout (pieces from my Aunts junk yard). Hope to see you both and more in Michigan after our move to: Our new home will be ready on March 30, 2006 just in time for my 65th Birthday and Lin's 56th Birthday. I will continue to do architecture. We have enlarged Bedroom 2 upstairs for my office and the train room. You can see our Glenwood plan. Scroll down to Glenwood then click on the Farmhouse elevation and Floor Plans at: http://www.woodstone-homes.com/pages/knobhill.html Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: re;I believe you should never restore or repair American Flyer trains > Stumpy, > > You and I must be related somehow. I agree with everything you say > (including agreeing to disagree). This hobby is large enough to > accomodate all outlooks, and I certainly don't disrespect others' > opinions. That's the great thing about S. > > Hope to meet most of you guys at the 2006 NASG convention in Pontiac > next Summer. I'm the registrar and will be manning the registration > table with others in my club (the SMSG). It will be great to put a > face to all the names! > > Jerry Poniatowski > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > > > My dearest "faltrains5"...You and I must agree to disagree! I would > > much rather breathe new life into rusting carcases than let them rot > > uselessly in some junk pile. To me, every Flyer train brought back to > > life means they are again bringing joy to someone. > > From my observation, most of the folks who rework old Flyer have a > > healthy respect for Gilbert products. > > The American Flyer locos and rolling stock I have rebuilt, > > repainted, or modified are common items of low value. Most have come > > from flea market and train show junk boxes where their life had ended! > > You will be happy to know that I have much more S-Helper, American > > Models, and other modern stuff in my fleet, so I therefore > > am "endangering" very few Gilbert trains. > > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...Martins Ferry, OH. > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36943	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: re;I believe you should never

Although I do see the need to "restore"[for lack of a better definition] something truly worn out, I still think you should stay as original as possible. Remember the old axiom that it's only original once! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36944	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Docksider coupler problems

Hi all, I haven't run mine yet, but just observing the couplers, I think the solution is to use ACG coupler centering springs AND ACG couplers. I don't think much of the current Flyonel couplers, the difference on the knuckle between closed and open isn't much! I suspect it needs more movement to function well. It looks like a simple conversion, unscrew the coupler, pop off the spring, put in new--re old--one, and screw on a good old ACG gravity latched coupler. Anyone with a layout to run theirs on who could report on this? Nice thing is, the conversion is readily reversable. S' David D. PS Chat tonite! Hope I can be there. OH, non-train content--Anyone else see the new Wallace & Grommit movie? Hilarious--and the movie house here shows it with a short staring the Madagascar Penguins. Was worth buying a ticket--and we go to the movies about once every two years! (Yep, I'm CHEAP!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36945	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: Docksider coupler problems

Mike, et al, Mike Newcomer and I had the opprtunity to converse with a young fellow from LIONEL on Saturday. We mentioned the problem with the couplers, the smoke unit and the Choo-choo sound. When asked our opinion of the product, we both told him they need to approach S-Helper's QUALITY if they want to be a real player in S. Still just selling a name, and that AMERICAN FLYER is NOT competition for LIONEL. Further mentioned that everyone else in "S" had "sprung" trucks, underfloor detail etc. He pointed out tooling costs to upgrade floor, I mentioned that the last attempt at that took place circa 1948, and what they got was sheet metal. J Don Reese says there are more Docksiders coming out in Jan catalog, LIONEL had NO idea the few they produced ( actually all that were ordered I'm told) were already commanding a premium. Amazing "lock" on their market I thought. By the way, Jerry Calabreeze still appears to be President of LIONEL, made it thru 2 YORKS now. Jim " I've told them before" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36946	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Re: I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer tra

Geoff: I too like to work on trains from the junk pile. While I do try to keep most as original as possible, I do take artistic liscense with the pikemaster era 4-4-0 locos. I cleaned one up and painted it to match Bachmann ON30 Great Northern coaches I changed to run on AF track. The one I'm working on now will be at the head of my version of an AF girls train. It's a surprise for my dear wife. Kind of a payback for letting me set up the Christmas layout partly on top of her baby grand piano. Hey I needed more room. I will take Jpegs when it is finished. Regards Bob Moyer -------------- Original message from "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...>: -------------- > I am the kind of guy who believes that taking a cherished busted up > train and repainting, putting it back together with different parts > from other trains and making "frankenstein train" is wrong. There is > nothing wrong with going and getting a engine fixed or car repaired as > long as it is matching and same year parts. I just think taking a eBay > 4-4-2 american flyer memory train and rebuilding it and converting it > to a 4-8-4 is like saying we are going to celebrate Christmas on June > 13 from now on. Like taking a traditional day and rebuilding it so it > is celebrated on a different day. I like to stay original. > > Request: > > Geoff > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36947	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 16, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36948	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/16/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] I believe you should never restore or repair america

----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore<mailto:mo2337@...> To: faltrain5<mailto:faltrain5@...> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer trains. Geoff, If I understand your statement correctly, you are opposed to taking a car or engine that is almost trash, and refurbishing it to make a good looking and good running addition to one's inventory. Are you saying ,we should just throw them away. If you are interested I would like to show you before and after pictures of some 960 passengers I restored, and a Franklin "88" engine, I repainted. I am totally dedicated to preserving the Flyer heritage, and do not see any harm in restoring pieces for personal use. Not all of us can afford to purchase the mint condition pieces, and I see nothing detrimental in restoring pieces, so that they might last another 50 years. I do not alter them, but I try to restore, to as near original as possible. Just expressing an alternate opinion, and arguing the case to preserve Flyer and educate others to the history of Flyer, anyway we can. Thanks, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: faltrain5<mailto:faltrain5@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer trains. I am the kind of guy who believes that taking a cherished busted up train and repainting, putting it back together with different parts from other trains and making "frankenstein train" is wrong. There is nothing wrong with going and getting a engine fixed or car repaired as long as it is matching and same year parts. I just think taking a eBay 4-4-2 american flyer memory train and rebuilding it and converting it to a 4-8-4 is like saying we are going to celebrate Christmas on June 13 from now on. Like taking a traditional day and rebuilding it so it is celebrated on a different day. I like to stay original. Request: Geoff S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail<http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36949	From: firex43	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Wanted: AF 21205 & 960 Green

Hello, I am searching for either a 21205 streamline shell to swap for a 21205 straight step shell; or swap powered unit with straight step for powered unit with streamline step or purchase a 21205 streamline shell. Also looking for a 960 combine with green stripe, E- to E. Please contact me off list. Thanks in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36950	From: clifma19	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Yankee Zephyr

Does anyone have a diagram of or know where on line I can find a diagram/picture of the interior of the cars of the Yankee Zephyr. Thanks Cliff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36951	From: muniman18	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: docksider

i've been reading all the reporks on this new docksider from what i read no smoke,couplers don't work ,no chug,etc.etc why buy the thing if it's sub par i've got engines that are 50+ years old that chug, smokelike crazy and coupe up great.i aso read that the new docksiders are selling at premium that's silly who would buy a new car and have to change the transmission to make it run t tell the manufacturer their product is inferior and watch the improvments or have we all become the "i've gotta have it" comsumers. if i'm wrong fine i'll run my engines and listen to the chug a try to see through the smoke mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36952	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

Mike, You make some valid points however the Docksider although not perfect is far better then any Docksider produced by AC Gilbert. It is a smooth reliable, good pulling, affordable engine. With more sure to be produced, the supply will bring down the collector prices. Carl -----Original Message----- From: muniman18 [mailto:muniman18@...] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] docksider i've been reading all the reporks on this new docksider from what i read no smoke,couplers don't work ,no chug,etc.etc why buy the thing if it's sub par i've got engines that are 50+ years old that chug, smokelike crazy and coupe up great.i aso read that the new docksiders are selling at premium that's silly who would buy a new car and have to change the transmission to make it run t tell the manufacturer their product is inferior and watch the improvments or have we all become the "i've gotta have it" comsumers. if i'm wrong fine i'll run my engines and listen to the chug a try to see through the smoke mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36953	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Restoring an A.F. Engine

In 2004 I bought a box of junk flyer at the "World's Longest Yard Sale". For $30.00 I got a K335 plus a 360/364. There was some rubber road bed, track & a few freight cars. A friend of mine had always wanted to find his old set which consisted of a K335. With the help of Doug Peck, I rebuilt the K335 since it had been totally dismantled & many parts were missing along with all wiring & screws. With the help of this group I got many suggestions & wiring instructions. When I got done painting it, yes I repainted it because it was a basket case, it looked fantastic. Once I had all the cars to the set, I gave it to my friend. He was ecstatic with the set! Yes, I restored this engine which was headed to the local land fill, but I made someone very happy! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36954	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

Mike, et al, I think that the price rise phenomenon is more a "Give me anything as long as it says "American Flyer" because there might not be any more" mentality, at least for the dedicated Gilbert fans. And in point of fact, as we all know, 'ol AC built some stuff that took a bit of fiddling to make work. But your point is sure well taken: it does give one pause to wonder why a new, state-of-the-art unit should require that much post-manufacturing modifications...As to why buy the thing, I believe the relatively low price was the hook. Roy Inman > From: muniman18 <muniman18@...> > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:34:20 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] docksider > > i've been reading all the reporks on this new docksider from what > i read no smoke,couplers don't work ,no chug,etc.etc why buy the > thing if it's sub par i've got engines that are 50+ years old that > chug, smokelike crazy and coupe up great.i aso read that the > new docksiders are selling at premium that's silly who would > buy a new car and have to change the transmission to make it > run t tell the manufacturer their product is inferior and watch > the improvments or have we all become the "i've gotta have > it" comsumers. if i'm wrong fine i'll run my engines and > listen to the chug a try to see through the > smoke > > mike > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36955	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Docksider Fun

I am also disappointed in the lack of smoke production from the Docksider. I had it running wide open at warp speed and what smoke it produced was hard to see at such high speed. Fortunately it didn't derail and damage anything, so on the positive side it sure sticks to the track. I placed an AF 718 mail car and a gondola behind my Docksider. I filled the gondola with two large steel industrial wedges. Each wedge weighs about 2 pounds. I fired up my 18V 30B and at full throttle the docksider could just barely pull the load around the layout, but it was puffing a good amount of smoke. It looked pretty realistic pulling at a slow speed and puffing away. My layout has AF track mounted in AF rubber roadbed, so it is pretty quite, but still no chuf sound. Just for the fun of it, I stopped the engine and turned it around. It did just as good a job pulling the consist in reverse or pushing the consist forward from behind. Of course the large steel wedges do not look realistic as a gondola load. I'm thinking about replacing the gondola with a box car or two with a couple of pounds of weight each so I can play around with the Docksider while getting it to smoke. If all the weight burns up the motor - oh well. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36956	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Fw: AMERICAN CLASSIC TRACK

http://www.classictrains.com/american_s.htm Anyone looking for a different S track, other than the original toy AF track, take a look at this track. I purchased some track from Bob Board in PA, a few years ago,as switches were still in production. Well, they are almost done, as I saw the switches at York. You can not tell where the pieces come together, like in the old Atlas HO track. Really fits together nicely. Looking forward to using this solid track on a future layout. And to the O people on the TTML, it is realistic 2 rail track, with great detail of the wood and fishplates on the rails. O:)! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36957	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: AMERICAN CLASSIC TRACK

Is this the "other" track that rrtrack.com has a track support for? Their web site never had a link, nor could I Google and come up with what company makes the track. It just says "American Classics" without a link... http://rrtrack.com/html/s-gauge_track.html http://rrtrack.com/html/am_classics_s.html Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36958	From: fiantoni	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: DC Conversion

Classic Toy Trains magazines sent out a promotional DVD which I watched with my 6 year old son this weekend. For those of you worried about today's youth only wanting to play on the computer my son is interested in both the virtual and tangible aspects of this and his other hobbies. He was particularly interested in the segments showing how to make mountains from cardboard and plaster. On the DVD they feature a great AF layout in the Philadelphia area mostly running original Flyer equipment. One of the claims on the segment is that the equipment runs incredibly smooth because the engines have been converted to DC power. They show this as being accomplished by the installation of a Radio Shack purchased rectifier in the tender. The explanation was simply to take the leads from the tender wheels to feed the rectifier input and then the rectifier output would pigtail into the e-unit which in turn would feed the engine via existing wiring. Some questions for the pros on this list: I assume that you would power the rails with AC which would then be converted to DC at the engine. How do you get directional control with a system like this? Are the operating results with DC really significantly improved over existing AF AC motors? Does anyone have a posting of a schematic on how you could rig this up as I would like to try this on some of my engines. Does a standard AF AC transformer have the juice to run this setup or will that be problematic. The segment also stated that one of the reasons the original AF DC stuff did not work was that the transformers were not up to the job. Thanks in advance. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36959	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

See answers below: Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "fiantoni" <Frank.I.Antonides@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] DC Conversion > I assume that you would power the rails with AC which would then be > converted to DC at the engine. How do you get directional control > with a system like this? Bad assumption- check the wiring diagram at Paul Yorke's website for how to hook up a motor to run on DC and reverse by polarity reversal. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/wire.htmThe setup assumes you make DC at the transformer. > > Are the operating results with DC really significantly improved over > existing AF AC motors? The unfiltered DC helps low speed performance a bit. Top speed may be slower if you use a rectifier with too high a PV rating. A top limit of about 6 amps/40 PIV is adequate. > > Does anyone have a posting of a schematic on how you could rig this > up as I would like to try this on some of my engines. > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm > Does a standard AF AC transformer have the juice to run this setup or > will that be problematic. The segment also stated that one of the > reasons the original AF DC stuff did not work was that the > transformers were not up to the job. > AC will have to be converted to DC at the transformer output. You will also want a double pole double throw switch for reversing. See radio shack for all the parts, including a project box to hold the rectifier and reverse switch at the transformer output. A typical single Loco will run fine on about 50 watts. The original problem ACG had was the lack of modern, small, and inexpensive full wave rectifiers. > Thanks in advance. > > Frank > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36960	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Restoring AF units

I may be sadly mistaken, but don't classic car restorers, who work on classics, worth several thousand dollars, do the following: take off the body; completely disassemble; remove all rust; if necessary rewire; and lo and behold, they have even been known to repaint. Has anyone watched Barrett- Jackson lately and seen the prices these vehicles are bringing. But then you have to ask the question, should they have just been sent to the junk yard? Let common sense creep back into our thought processes. Thanks for putting up with my ranting, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36961	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: York

Well I am back...... It was still nice despite off and on drizzles...... some good deals..... but prices were high as usual...... I watched a 625 Orange shell for 2 days..... 1000 was to high......offerer him 800.... On friday I went back for a last look...... A lady had it in her hand...... said she had to have a deal and 1000 was to much.....would he take 995.00?...... SOLD..... Talked to the Lionel rep....... saw the northern shell only...... looked nice and clean..... windows were filled in...... he said it would be detailed similar to the Mike....... Suggested the 0-8-0 next...... he smiled and said he would bring it up....... Went to the Atlas booth....... Told the Manager they had nice stuff and suggested he consider us "S" guys and gals........ they are thinking......... Robin had a deal on hoppers..... buy 2 sets..... get 2 free.......The get together was great....... and growing despite being moved at the last minute........ Our mon, tue, wed dinners were great too....... Great people....... yoy guys don't know the fun you missed...... I am sure many great buys were there...... And as usual Barb was QUEEN of the Show...... What Docksider I saw were above 100...... on hobby shop in W Va. had one for 99.95..... did find a ln 953 with sil for my set.... now for the box with 5 didgets on it and the 918 with 5 on the box overstamped on th 3 didget....... Spoke with a fellow I met , Lee, last time...... he said to date I still have the second largest pile of Lionel prototype cars that sold in the auction..... 10 or 12....... don't even remember. exactly.... still packed since April..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36962	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

fiantoni <Frank.I.Antonides@...> wrote: >On the DVD they feature a great AF layout in the Philadelphia area >mostly running original Flyer equipment. One of the claims on the >segment is that the equipment runs incredibly smooth because the >engines have been converted to DC power. They show this as being >accomplished by the installation of a Radio Shack purchased rectifier >in the tender. The explanation was simply to take the leads from the >tender wheels to feed the rectifier input and then the rectifier >output would pigtail into the e-unit which in turn would feed the >engine via existing wiring The original AF engines will run on DC with no modifications. They are universal motors and will run with the mechanical reversing unit functioning the same way in AC or DC. One of the primary reasons for using DC, however, is to be able to reverse the engines by just reversing the polarity of the track power with a DPDT switch and bypassing completely the reverse unit in the engine. This calls for removing the reverse unit from the engines wiring and installing a rectifier in either the armature or the field wiring so that the polarity of one remains constant no matter what the track supply polarity is, so that when the track supply polarity is reversed, it will cause the armature and field polarities to be opposite and result in opposite spin of the armature. On a true DC Flyer engine, (342DC, 332DC, ...etc.) you don't need to do any rewiring >I assume that you would power the rails with AC which would then be >converted to DC at the engine. How do you get directional control >with a system like this? No, the rails would be powered with DC and you get directional control by switching the plus or minus poles on the DPDT switch that is wired on the DC output of the rectifier at the transformer. This system uses two rectifiers, one in the engine, one at the transformer. >Are the operating results with DC really significantly improved over >existing AF AC motors? The people who do this swear by it. I prefer to use the original AC and the reverse unit. Getting the reverse units to work is part of the charm of using A.C. Gilbert. As far as running smoother on DC? Can anybody explain why this so? >Does anyone have a posting of a schematic on how you could rig this >up as I would like to try this on some of my engines. One tender pickup to one AC input of rectifier, other pickup goes to one pole of armature, other pole of armature goes to other AC input of rectifier. DC output of rectifier goes to one pole of field, other DC output goes to other field pole. The pickups should also be wired to both poles of the headlight and smoke unit. >Does a standard AF AC transformer have the juice to run this setup or >will that be problematic. The segment also stated that one of the >reasons the original AF DC stuff did not work was that the >transformers were not up to the job. There is a small amount of loss if using rectifiers, but basically the same performance rules apply between AC and DC and it really depends on how many engines and how many powered accessories are sharing the power. I think the real problem was the power loss in the old rectifiers, not the transformers. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36963	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: I believe you should never restore or repair american flyer tra

A friend of mine took an AFG 0-8-0 switcher and converted it to scale. He added all the correct plumbing, scale drivers, and a lot of other detail. This loco won a prize at a NASG convention many years ago. If a person can do a good job, go for it. I would not recommend changing a rare loco that is in mint condition. I see a lot of flyer at train shows. Some locos are still very common, so a conversion isn't hurting anything special. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36964	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: Yankee Zephyr

The Hobo Railroad in Lincoln NH is rebuilding the actual train. They may be able to help you. Roger clifma19 wrote: >Does anyone have a diagram of or know where on line I can find a >diagram/picture of the interior of the cars of the Yankee Zephyr. > >Thanks >Cliff > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36965	From: Ironhorse	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

> The explanation was simply to take the leads from the >tender wheels to feed the rectifier input and then the rectifier >output would pigtail into the e-unit which in turn would feed the >engine via existing wiring. > > I have done the conversion myself. However I bypassed the e-unit which is no longer needed. >Some questions for the pros on this list: > >I assume that you would power the rails with AC which would then be >converted to DC at the engine. > You would use a DC transformer to run the loco > How do you get directional control >with a system like this? > > Use a dpdt toggel switch wired to swap the polarity to change direction. >Are the operating results with DC really significantly improved over >existing AF AC motors? > > You may have a slight voltage drop using a rectifier. It depends on the values. >Does anyone have a posting of a schematic on how you could rig this >up as I would like to try this on some of my engines. > >Does a standard AF AC transformer have the juice to run this setup or >will that be problematic. The segment also stated that one of the >reasons the original AF DC stuff did not work was that the >transformers were not up to the job. > > >Thanks in advance. > >Frank > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36966	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/17/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

----- Original Message ----- From: "fiantoni" <Frank.I.Antonides@...> . . . . . . . the engines have been converted to DC power. . . . . . .installation of a Radio Shack purchased rectifier in the tender. The explanation was simply to take the leads from the tender wheels to feed the rectifier input and then the rectifier output would pigtail into the e-unit which in turn would feed the engine via existing wiring. > > > > > > -------------Response------- It's simple, but not quite that simple. The last time I looked at an AF loco (with "e-unit" in tender), I think I saw four wires between tender and engine. That's because the the AC track power must reach the field winding as is, while the AC track power is sent to the armature in-phase or out-of-phase with the field winding. The "e-unit" is what changes it between in-phase and out-of-phase. The in-phase / out-of-phase is what gives you the forward / reverse function of the motor. When you convert an AC motor to work like a DC motor, you replace or bypass the e-unit with a bridge rectifier. A bridge rectifier is four diodes. The output of the bridge rectifier goes to the field winding but NOT to the armature. Now, no matter what the polarity of the track power, the field winding will always receive current flowing in the same direction, in effect making it a permanent magnet. The DC track power goes to the armaure unrectified, so when you reverse the DC track power from + / - to - / + you change from in-phase to out-of-phase and that changes the direction of rotation of the motor and thus the direction of the locomotive. < < < < < < > I assume that you would power the rails with AC which would then be converted to DC at the engine. How do you get directional control with a system like this? > > > > > > NO NO NO. You must put DC power to the tracks. Reversing the polarity of the track power changes the direction of the locomotive. I wish someone better organized than me could find that old article in the S Gauge Herald on this subject and scan it and put it in our files. Tom Hawley --- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36967	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:46:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, t.hawley@... writes: It's simple, but not quite that simple. The last time I looked at an AF loco (with "e-unit" in tender), I think I saw four wires between tender and engine. That's because the the AC track power must reach the field winding as is, while the AC track power is sent to the armature in-phase or out-of-phase with the field winding. The "e-unit" is what changes it between in-phase and out-of-phase. The in-phase / out-of-phase is what gives you the forward / reverse function of the motor. When you convert an AC motor to work like a DC motor, you replace or bypass the e-unit with a bridge rectifier. A bridge rectifier is four diodes. The output of the bridge rectifier goes to the field winding but NOT to the armature. Now, no matter what the polarity of the track power, the field winding will always receive current flowing in the same direction, in effect making it a permanent magnet. The DC track power goes to the armaure unrectified, so when you reverse the DC track power from + / - to - / + you change from in-phase to out-of-phase and that changes the direction of rotation of the motor and thus the direction of the locomotive. < < < < < < > I assume that you would power the rails with AC which would then be converted to DC at the engine. How do you get directional control with a system like this? > > > > > > NO NO NO. You must put DC power to the tracks. Reversing the polarity of the track power changes the direction of the locomotive. I wish someone better organized than me could find that old article in the S Gauge Herald on this subject and scan it and put it in our files. Tom Hawley --- Lansing Mich Or, install a DC can motor and Rectified reverse unit such as the Dallee #400. Problem solved.!!! Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36968	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re;DC conversion

I don't know why folks want to make things so complicated! Going to DC power is really quite simple. You get a DC conversion can motor from S & S trains, Portlines, Timko, etc. It costs less than $30. and comes with complete instructions and even the bolts to put it in! Take the Gilbert motor out, bolt the can motor in, remove the old e- unit and wire things back together. You use a DC power pack, I run my locos on a Bachmann HO train set pack. You run the trains just like any N, HO, G, or other gauge trains. The locomotives run cooler, no e-unit stalling, no "shifting gears" to go reverse-neutral-forward when you're switching cars. It's so smooth and simple that once you've done it, you'll wonder why you didn't go DC sooner! Stumpy Stone...now running all DC in Martins Ferry,OH. I

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36969	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

Despite the ease of installing DC and polarity reversing, I also keep the ability to switch to AC power for my fleet of AM engines with sound. The SHS Locomatic sound will run on either AC or DC. Chuck Smith On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <t.hawley@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC Conversion > > > In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:46:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > t.hawley@... writes: > > It's simple, but not quite that simple. The last time I looked at an AF > loco (with "e-unit" in tender), I think I saw four wires between tender and > engine. That's because the the AC track power must reach the field winding > as is, while the AC track power is sent to the armature in-phase or > out-of-phase with the field winding. The "e-unit" is what changes it > between in-phase and out-of-phase. The in-phase / out-of-phase is what > gives you the forward / reverse function of the motor. > > When you convert an AC motor to work like a DC motor, you replace or bypass > the e-unit with a bridge rectifier. A bridge rectifier is four diodes. The > output of the bridge rectifier goes to the field winding but NOT to the > armature. Now, no matter what the polarity of the track power, the field > winding will always receive current flowing in the same direction, in effect > making it a permanent magnet. The DC track power goes to the armaure > unrectified, so when you reverse the DC track power from + / - to - / + you > change from in-phase to out-of-phase and that changes the direction of > rotation of the motor and thus the direction of the locomotive. >> > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36970	From: twoyt@netscape.net	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

I have to agree. Why spend money on a product that does not perform at least as well as engines that are 50 years old. Frankly at the recent TCA met I looked at the new engines that were being offered by Lionel and the prices. They simply are not worth it. The electonics start to go after a couple of years and cannot be repaired. I will keep on runing my old engines. All they ask for is a little oil and grease once and a while. -----Original Message----- From: muniman18 <muniman18@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:34:20 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] docksider i've been reading all the reporks on this new docksider from what i read no smoke,couplers don't work ,no chug,etc.etc why buy the thing if it's sub par i've got engines that are 50+ years old that chug, smokelike crazy and coupe up great.i aso read that the new docksiders are selling at premium that's silly who would buy a new car and have to change the transmission to make it run t tell the manufacturer their product is inferior and watch the improvments or have we all become the "i've gotta have it" comsumers. if i'm wrong fine i'll run my engines and listen to the chug a try to see through the smoke mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36971	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: S-Scale.org Website and other sites

I am making adjustments to the S-Scale.org website. It is not going away, just downsizing. The user pages, will eventually be deleted. No new user pages can be added. The announcement feature is going away. No changes are planned for the 'S-Scale Photo Album'. That is something that requires very little of my time. Kind of self serve situation. http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=modelrail I think the S-Trains & S-Scale lists are the best place for anouncements of train events. The S-Trains.com is way over due for re-vamping site will eventually be updated, but I have no plans on shutting down any of my sites. I think s-scale (in general) needs a real good 'link farm' , a well organized one that uses 'keywords', is up date and easy to use. Maybe that's Google, but I suspect not. I wish Yahoo group link list was better organized. Maybe I can set one up for someone else to own and maintain? Most of you know, but just a reminder, I am self employeed now and must stay busy with cash producing activies. Trains are a hobby, that I no longer have enough time to spend maintaining websites. I would like to thank the folks that have taken over the two lists for me. This has been very helpfull. Thanks guys! If you have questions or suggestions, email me off-list. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36972	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

Well, each to his own, but we have some O Lionel engines with earlier electronics, and they are still going strong after ten years or more. One of good/bad things about computer chip stuff, as we all know, is that usually it either works or it doesn't. An older, strictly mechanical engine will still work if it needs a little lube, etc. But I have to ask, have you seen one of the Mikado's running on TMCC? The times I have seen it running in that mode it has been spectacular. Roy Inman > From: twoyt@... > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:24:38 -0400 > To: muniman18@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] docksider > > I have to agree. Why spend money on a product that does not perform at least > as well as engines that are 50 years old. Frankly at the recent TCA met I > looked at the new engines that were being offered by Lionel and the prices. > They simply are not worth it. The electonics start to go after a couple of > years and cannot be repaired. I will keep on runing my old engines. All they > ask for is a little oil and grease once and a while. > > -----Original Message----- > From: muniman18 <muniman18@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:34:20 -0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] docksider > > > i've been reading all the reporks on this new docksider from what > i read no smoke,couplers don't work ,no chug,etc.etc why buy the > thing if it's sub par i've got engines that are 50+ years old that > chug, smokelike crazy and coupe up great.i aso read that the > new docksiders are selling at premium that's silly who would > buy a new car and have to change the transmission to make it > run t tell the manufacturer their product is inferior and watch > the improvments or have we all become the "i've gotta have > it" comsumers. if i'm wrong fine i'll run my engines and > listen to the chug a try to see through the > smoke > > mike > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! > Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered > to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you > one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for > yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36973	From: keefer1	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

With all the troubles the docksider may be having, it if runs decent it's better than the Gilbert product. --- twoyt@... wrote: > I have to agree. Why spend money on a product that > does not perform at least as well as engines that > are 50 years old. Frankly at the recent TCA met I > looked at the new engines that were being offered by > Lionel and the prices. They simply are not worth > it. The electonics start to go after a couple of > years and cannot be repaired. I will keep on runing > my old engines. All they ask for is a little oil > and grease once and a while. > > -----Original Message----- > From: muniman18 <muniman18@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:34:20 -0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] docksider > > > i've been reading all the reporks on this new > docksider from what > i read no smoke,couplers don't work ,no > chug,etc.etc why buy the > thing if it's sub par i've got engines that are > 50+ years old that > chug, smokelike crazy and coupe up great.i aso > read that the > new docksiders are selling at premium that's > silly who would > buy a new car and have to change the > transmission to make it > run t tell the manufacturer their product is > inferior and watch > the improvments or have we all become the > "i've gotta have > it" comsumers. if i'm wrong fine i'll run > my engines and > listen to the chug a try to see through the > smoke > > > > mike > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! > Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the > ones you select delivered to you without ever > leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box > gives you one click access to local Movie times, > Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at > http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36974	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Fire in German Railway museum

This link came off another yahoo group. Here some terrible pictures of the last night. There was a fire in one of the greatest railway museums in Nurnberg in Germany. http://www.v160.de/phorum5/read.php?3,12442,12442 No more comment to those pictures. Kalle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36975	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Fire in German Railway museum

This link came off another yahoo group. Here some terrible pictures of the last night. There was a fire in one of the greatest railway museums in Nurnberg in Germany. http://www.v160.de/phorum5/read.php?3,12442,12442 No more comment to those pictures. Kalle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36976	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

Except that the new Dockside, overall, does perform better than the original. Smoke was OK but just OK, and the choo-choo was very faint in the old 21155. The new Dockside has much better electrical contacts (the new rollers), smooth and quiet operation, a dependable reverse unit, directional lighting, and better finish. The list price in 1958 of the 21155 was $15, which if multiplied by 10 comes to $150 in today's dollars against the $100 list for the new Dockside. Admittedly, the couplers should be better, but if you don't like 'em, replace 'em. Heck, the 21158 came with solid couplers. Folks seem to forget that Gilbert made mistakes which had to eaten after Christmas. Can you say "loose white walls?" The Mikados under TMCC control are way beyond anything that Gilbert could have dreamed of doing (or had to struggle at). Two engines operating in the same block -- no problem. Precise spotting of rolling stock at operating acccessories -- no problem. Remote control while standing anywhere around the layout -- no problem. And, finally, we have AF steam engines with truly super sounding whistles (and bells), and each specific to its road name and number. After all, it is a half century later. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/18/2005 9:42:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, twoyt@... writes: I have to agree. Why spend money on a product that does not perform at least as well as engines that are 50 years old. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36977	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> . . . . . . install a DC can motor and Rectified reverse unit such as the Dallee #400. Problem solved.!!! > > > > > > > That depends on what the "problem" was. If the objective was to convert an AF engine to operate the way most other model RR engines do, reversing direction of travel by reversing track polarity, then installing a DC can motor is certainly a valid solution. But then adding a reverse unit such as the Dallee #400 defeats the objective and brings you back to changing direction by turning voltage off and back on. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36978	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: docksider - My Review

I have run my Docksider for a couple days now, and it does run very well. It can run very fast, and yet does not seem to want to derail on Pikemaster radius curves at near full speed! OK, I tend to run my trains fast, like other kids ;) My Docksider smokes decently, but I am using Anormal's Smoke fluid as I did in the Mikado, and have not tried anything else. I loosened the spring on the couplers (took 2 minutes) and I am now pulling cars without a problem. I will probably take Carl's advice and put in Alco coupler springs. I can't hear the Choo Choo at all. It is very much like the choo choo that Gilbert used in the Franklins I am thinking... I may convert one to TMCC and add electronic sound, in as much that it is such a nice running engine. From what Carl said the other night on chat, you could add electronic sound and TMCC to this little bugger and still have only a couple hundred bucks in it. It certainly would be a nice engine to mate with some K-line or used Gilbert cars and give to a child as a starter set. As the Gilbert engines did, it lacks all those little detail pieces that kids young and old tend to break off during handling. I think the engine is a bargain. Far better than the original Docksiders (from what I have heard). At a time when you can pay 40 or 50 dollars for a car or electronic reverse unit, I appreciate everything you get in this little Flyonel Docksider. It is made for the kitbasher. You get a lot to work with and not many $. But with the street price of these engines already approaching $150, would it be the right thing to do to carve the thing up? Hm... I looked at York for Docksiders. Walked up as someone who had already bought one was convincing his friend to buy one in the Blue hall for $99. He did buy it, I was 5 minutes too late. Saw three other Docksiders. One in purple with a price of $139 on it with the word FIRM on the price tag. Later, this piece was sold. Then in the Orange hall I saw 2 more, that were each marked $149 and later when I came by they were remarked to $129 FIRM. I passed as I really hated to pay above list price for one. If L releases again next year, I will order at least 2 more. Some will disagree with me, buy I noticed that most people though they have complaints are keeping their engines! Your milage may vary...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36979	From: paflyrman	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Cost of Docksider & Inflation

I found an inflation calculator on the net. $15 in 1958 becomes $98.40 in 2005; so Lionel is pretty much right on the money. By this calculator anyway. If you want to try it, it's at westegg.com/inflation/. Paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36980	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: (no subject)

Hi All, would anyone in the group happen to know where I could find a # 609 girder flat ? I need this one to complete my sceond set, that I got for Christmas back in 1953, Thanks for your help....Don Rodgers drmusic244@...<mailto:drmusic244@...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36981	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Santa Fe Docksider

Can someone confirm that the Sante Fe docksiders have not been delivered yet, that the only ones out are the B & O? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36982	From: Rick	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Showcase Line SW-1

I recently purchased two Showcase Line SW-1's. Their headlights are not very bright. Will the golden white LED upgrade kit they offer solve this problem. How hard is it to install? Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36983	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Showcase Line SW-1

The LED upgrade will improve it immensely unfortunately they are a bit of a pain to install. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Rick [mailto:piecon@...] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Showcase Line SW-1 I recently purchased two Showcase Line SW-1's. Their headlights are not very bright. Will the golden white LED upgrade kit they offer solve this problem. How hard is it to install? Rick S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36984	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Docksider

I have my Santa Fe.. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Scott Holm [mailto:imsscott@...] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:40 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Santa Fe Docksider Can someone confirm that the Sante Fe docksiders have not been delivered yet, that the only ones out are the B & O? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36985	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re;re;DC conversion

The reason I originally went to DC power was twofold. First, I wanted to get rid of the reverse unit because the locos I was working on were junkers with bad e-units and motors. It was cheaper and easier to put in a DC can motor than a new e-unit and AC motor. I've never been a fan of the "forward-neutral-reverse" sequence when switching cars with either S gauge or O gauge. Second, when I saw how much smoother the can motored loco ran and how much better railroad operations went without the sequencial e- unit, and how easy it was to change over, I was sold on DC power! Three of my four American Flyer steamers were built from junkers and got DC power. I have one that was in fair condition to start with so I left it original AC. This is not to say everyone should convert to DC, especially rare, collectable trains in really good condition. But if you are an operator, you'll like straight DC power without a reverse unit. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36986	From: ctbigboy	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: American "S" Gauge Track / NOT American Classic Track

Somewhere the name got changed I think by acccident because of the business name Classic Trains. The track name is American "S Gauge You can view track samples at http://www.classictrains.com Thank you, Nick Mescher Classic Trains American "S" Gauge (626) m912-0774

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36987	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: 719or971 for parts

Looking for a trashed 719 dump car or 971 Moe and Joe, for parts. Specifically, need the quarter gear on the side of the 719, and flat car and trucks for 971. Recently bought a collection, that had these 2 cars, parts missing on 719 and plastic flat broken on 971. If anyone can help, please contact me off list. Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36988	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Re;re;DC conversion

I can appreciate that. My situation is that I have something like 25 plus original Flyer engines, with a few Flyonel, AM, and SHS engines. If I went to DC, I would lose the sound on the AM and Flyonel, unless I set up a switch to go back and forth between ac and dc. But more importantly, if I were to buy can motors for the Flyer engines, I would need a lot of can motors! At 30 bucks a pop, we're talking about at least $750, and a lot of rewiring. But besides that, my goal is to be able to get every one of the old Flyers working. I want to be able to pull any engine off the shelves and run it as is, with the original motor and reverse unit. I consider myself an operator only and don't follow the collector mentality at all. No engine in my fleet is too good to spend the rest of its life sitting on a shelf. There is a special sense of satisfaction when I got my 314AW to run so fast it was flying off the track and still get the whistle to work. By the way, this would not work at all on DC, since the whistle in a 314AW uses a DC signal to sound the whistle, the same way that the flyonel diesel horns work. Scott Holm Operating original American Flyer In Lake Zurich, Illinois Go you White Sox!!!!!! Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: The reason I originally went to DC power was twofold. First, I wanted to get rid of the reverse unit because the locos I was working on were junkers with bad e-units and motors. It was cheaper and easier to put in a DC can motor than a new e-unit and AC motor. I've never been a fan of the "forward-neutral-reverse" sequence when switching cars with either S gauge or O gauge. Second, when I saw how much smoother the can motored loco ran and how much better railroad operations went without the sequencial e- unit, and how easy it was to change over, I was sold on DC power! Three of my four American Flyer steamers were built from junkers and got DC power. I have one that was in fair condition to start with so I left it original AC. This is not to say everyone should convert to DC, especially rare, collectable trains in really good condition. But if you are an operator, you'll like straight DC power without a reverse unit. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains in Appalachia. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36989	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Restoring AF units

An original car ,unrestored in any way,even though it is not as nice as the restored car will bring more money! There also is some entertainment value in the shows you see on Discovery,etc. Also, a lot of the people buying that "car of their dreams" are not collectors therefore they buy with their hearts not with their heads. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36990	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Docksider

Some have been delivered. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36991	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2005
Subject: To Restore or Not to Restore, That is the Question. . .

I think I am in a somewhat unique position to add to the debate of this question, as I am a museum curator, and I was a professional Antique Auto Restorer for some 25 years. Automobiles are often restored because they are found in deteriorated condition (For instance, my '16 Dodge touring was in a field in many parts, most of the wood long gone.) If one is found in good condition, it is left as is-if the owner is enlightened. Not all are; for instance at a recent car show an acquaintance brought his unrestored 1911 T. Amazing car (especially when you realize the body is all wood). One onlooker commented that "He's got his work cut out for him" Well, yes some would tear down and rebuild, but this owner is quite proud of his car, and knows that nothing is as authentic as unrestored. OK, now onto trains. Being toys, they are usually left inside, and can be found in quite good condition (up to new in box). Hmm, thinking about it, if automobiles could be found in similar quantities New in Garage, Restored cars would worth much less. As a curator, items that are original, undisturbed are much more useful than restored ones to understand history. But sometimes items that are in bad condition are conserved or even restored. A decision to restore is based on many criteria, one being "how common is the piece." If there are other preserved examples, then restoration of an "ugly" one may be useful for interpretive display. Running our trains can be considered interpretive display So what do I do? Those pieces I have that are NIB are left that way, so future generations can see what a "brand new" item looked like. Those that are very nice are used seldom, so as to preserve their condition. Average ones get run often, and repaired. Junk ones are restored, or even modified, such as my "Daylight" Royal Blue creations. I build them under a "what if ACG did this" standard. So, there is no easy answer to the question of what to do with your AF. Just consider that your trains will probably outlive you, and what will the future generations learn of ACG or of you from them? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36992	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: S gauge stock pictures

S gauge stock pictures This is the second batch of pictures. http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album?.dir=/98ed&.src=ph&.tok=ph6uMzDB4dfVBwJ2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36993	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Bachmann On30 hoppers

My Friends in 'S' It seems the folks at Bachmann have goofed!!! I just received my On30 hoppers from John Weigel at the Peterboro Railroad Weigel5@... When I opened the the box, a pair of beautiful S-gauge hoppers appeared! Check out these links! (I apologize for the poor photo quality.) http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo52/On30hopperswithSscalehopperscrpadj http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo52/On30hopperwithconvertedAFSscalehoppercrpadj http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo52/On30hopperwithSHSSscalehoppercrpadj The conversion took five minutes at most!!! 1. Remove the On30 trucks. 2. Remove the couplers. 3. Pry off the coupler pocket blocks and reinstall with the coupler in the top pocket. 4. Replace trucks with S-gauge trucks of your choice. 5. PROJECT COMPLETE! The only problem I see is the grab iron spacing - but as the On30 grab irons are never next to the S-scale ones - from a couple of feet away - my eyes can't tell!! The word is these hoppers were designed after the early 2-bay gravel hoppers on the narrow gauge East Broad Top RR in Pennsylvania. So, there is probably not a standard gauge prototype - but - I'm guessing it wouldn't take long to find one AWFULLY close! I believe, Bachmann is now designing their On30 products with simple conversion to On3 in mind (different coupler height than the HO height used for On30 items). I don't know if this is true, but the design of the couplers on these hoppers sure makes it easy to convert their cars to our favorite, S-gauge as well!!!!! Just another opportunity to add some variety to your rolling stock roster. ENJOY! Don Munsey, Jr Sn42 logging fan and VGN Rwy fan living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana. P.S. John, please send me the On30 hoppers that I ordered! GBG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36994	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: S gauge stock pictures

I have uploaded the second batch of photographs to this location (I Think) http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album?.dir=98ed&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos Although you may only need : http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album and then move down to the s guage section. THe new pictures are number 57 onwards. How do the operating passenger cars work? Some of the vehicles do not have numbers, can anyone suggest suitable numbers for these vehicles? or are they ficticious? In the next batch are the rest of the freight vehicles, some are straight forward American Flyer rtr and the others are scratch built or kits. It includes a Heinz reefer with hand painted signs of a very high quality. The station building, the last photo in the collection appears to be a hand built model of a real place, we beleive Schenectady, can anyone confirm this? The American Flyer stock has in some cases a moulded part number on the bottom, e.g. PA10089B is this correct, if so how does that help us? Thanks again for your help. Some of this stock will be going to the Tolworth show (England) in mid November if anyone visiting the show wants to see it please come to the Chatham Club layout. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36995	From: afvair	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Carpet for new Train Layout

Hello "S" friends, I am building a new home train layout, and would like to use an indoor/outdoor carpet to match our existing club modules. I bought mine originally about 5 years ago for my modules, and I see it on the STrains pictures quite often, apparently alot of you folks discovered it before me. I have been to Lowes, Home Depot and Sutherland Lumber(a local lumber yard), and cannot find it anywhere. Where did you guys find it? Here is a picture of the carpet that I found on a website at "FlyerFestWest" http://s-scale.org/albums/albun01/Paul_wife I would really appreciate some ideas as to where I can find some. Thank You, Wayne Broadhead S Trains addict.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36996	From: dphobbies	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: New Ralston Purina 53' DD Evans boxcar - commercial

Just a note to all who have bee waiting for our next release of the Evans 53' double door boxcar. We received the Ralston Purina car today and will start shipping tomorrow. They are $44.98 each and are available in four road numbers. Shipping is $8.00 per order anywhere in North America. Cars come equipped with Flyer compatible trucks and couplers, but include scale wheels for easy conversion. This is the third release of the Evans car. Earlier cars were the C&NW yellow box (1 road number) and Union Pacific (4 road numbers). These cars are available @$44.98 each as well. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36997	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Off Topic: New-In-Garage automobiles

In response to David's comment that there are no "new-in-garage" antique cars, well actually there are. Several early model Mustangs were purchased from dealers, loaded onto car carriers (with all the original documents, window stickers, plastic seat cover protectors, paper carpet protectors, etc etc) and placed in climate controlled "garages" for propsperity. One of these cars is reported to have less than 2 miles showing on the odometer. I understand the "last" Mustang convertible from 1972 received the same treatment. Of course Ford reintroduced the convertible Mustang some years later, so I guess the value of this particular car dropped some. And then the was the Mustang II introduction with several set aside by collectors. I would bet there are plenty of other examples of new cars from the past that were placed in service with little or no milage for investment or some other reason. So yes there are "new-in-garage" or "mint-in-storage" or whatever you want to call them cars out there. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36998	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: York Visit

Ladies and Gentlemen, I want to announce my survival of my virgin visit to York (only 71 to go LOLOL). It was quite an enjoyable education, thanks to my good friend, Nick Colleran, who, literally speaking, took me as his guest, and figuratively speaking, held my hand. He told me before we went that I would see at least one thing there that I absolutely and positively couldn't live without, and buy it. Well, he was right! Thanks to a good negotiation between myself, John Huster, and Nick, I did it. I want to thank everyone on this list that I had the pleasure of meeting for the first time, in person. I was not disappointed in the spirit and general good wishes I received from every one, including Barb, Mark, Bob Tufts, and last, but surely not least, Doug Peck. I will make an effort, God willing to make the Spring Meet, if at all possible. Carlton Lowry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 36999	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: An future 'L' item we don't know about yet?

Have a peek at this, it looks like it is a mock up with 'L' trucks. http://www.lionel.com/products/productnavigator/InstructionManuals/74-9026-250.pdf Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "glenn allen" <glenn_rhb@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S gauge stock pictures > I have uploaded the second batch of photographs to > this location (I Think) > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album?.dir=98ed&.src=ph&store=&pr odid=&.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos > > Although you may only need : > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album > and then move down to the s guage section. THe new > pictures are number 57 onwards. > > How do the operating passenger cars work? > > Some of the vehicles do not have numbers, can anyone > suggest suitable numbers for these vehicles? or are > they ficticious? > > In the next batch are the rest of the freight > vehicles, some are straight forward American Flyer rtr > and the others are scratch built or kits. > It includes a Heinz reefer with hand painted signs of > a very high quality. > > The station building, the last photo in the collection > appears to be a hand built model of a real place, we > beleive Schenectady, can anyone confirm this? > > The American Flyer stock has in some cases a moulded > part number on the bottom, e.g. PA10089B > is this correct, if so how does that help us? > > Thanks again for your help. > Some of this stock will be going to the Tolworth show > (England) in mid November if anyone visiting the show > wants to see it please come to the Chatham Club > layout. > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37000	From: trainman634	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Best Smoke Fluid

What is the best smoke fluid for American Flyer steam engines? Which brand gives out the most smoke?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37001	From: Thomas Davis	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Docksider

As I operate my layout on DC, I have removed the electronics from my Lionel American Flyer Docksider loco. I wired the smoke unit directly to the leads from the pickups and WOW! WHAT A DIFFERENCE! The little loco smokes great even at low speeds. The overeall operation of the loco has improved. Lower operating speed and no more 2 second hesitation! Right now the headlights are inoperative. I hope someone in the group can recommend a directional lighting unit that would be suitable. I would think that even if you operated on AC and kept the electronic unit installed, that if you rewired the smoke unit to the pickup leads that the operation of the smoke unit would improve. Remember why AF went to the 5th wire, I believe it was to improve the smoke unit. Tom Davis, Brevard, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37002	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Re: Off Topic: New-In-Garage automobiles

Bull..... I have been in a couple climate barns in Ky..... There was a early Corvette, 70's, with the sticker still on the window..... around 180 miles...... place was full of old cars with window stickers still on them..... this guy had several employees working full time doing restorations of old cars for museums..... one of my clients is about to start with a friend of his restoring a P-47 Thunderbolt and a F-51 Mustang...... wiring, oil lines, etc.... go bad after a time..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Off Topic: New-In-Garage automobiles > In response to David's comment that there are no "new-in-garage" > antique cars, well actually there are. Several early model Mustangs > were purchased from dealers, loaded onto car carriers (with all the > original documents, window stickers, plastic seat cover protectors, > paper carpet protectors, etc etc) and placed in climate > controlled "garages" for propsperity. One of these cars is reported to > have less than 2 miles showing on the odometer. I understand > the "last" Mustang convertible from 1972 received the same treatment. > Of course Ford reintroduced the convertible Mustang some years later, > so I guess the value of this particular car dropped some. And then the > was the Mustang II introduction with several set aside by collectors. > I would bet there are plenty of other examples of new cars from the > past that were placed in service with little or no milage for > investment or some other reason. So yes there are "new-in-garage" > or "mint-in-storage" or whatever you want to call them cars out there. > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37003	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/19/2005
Subject: Off Topic; new in garage automobiles/ restore or not restore

I, too, was involved in vintage autos for a number of years and I can vouch for what both David Dewey and Mr Gator have said. Most Antique Automobile Club of America members do take into account a nice original car vs. a car that needs restored. A nice original car will usually, but not always, be complete and running but very scruffy. A car to be restored would be anything from a basket case of junk parts to an incomplete, non running hulk that cannot be put back in running condition without major work. Unfortunately, some decent original cars are torn down and restored to make fabulously over restored 100 points show winners, that are often as far from what came out of the factory as a street rod! Speaking of Street Rods, ALOT of common old cars, and many rare ones, are now hot rods! As far as folks putting cars away as an investment, I know of a mid seventies Cadillac convertable still sitting in a five car garage covered with old bed sheets, awaiting the day it will be worth more than the owner paid for it. When the manufacturers started making rag tops again, this guy's "pay back" moved many more years away. Stashing a new car until it's value is again more than the purchase price is a comparativly recent phenomena and has rarely paid off so far. What does this have to do with trains? If you are going to use the vintage auto hobby as a gauge, it goes like this;If you are buying new trains as an investment, you're probably not going to realize a return for a LONG time, if ever. Common old trains can be restored or modified. Rare old trains should be kept original if possible, or restored if necessary. But some WILL end up as customized items. Stumpy Stone...car guy almost as long as a train guy...in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37004	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: 792 Question

Every A-F 792 that I see for sale, including the one I bought, seems to come with five (5) Passenger Walk-way Ramps. I can find no original literature on these. Can anyone tell me how A-F had these units configured to use the ramps and how many tracks passed trough the structure? I figuire there must have been some original layout intention . . . but I can't seem to figure it out. Rick Moyer E-Mail: WestCoastAFDepot@... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37005	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Off Topic; STORM & TRAIN LOSSES

How many trains of any scale do you think were lost in the wake of the last two storms. Alot of guys have their trains in basements. I still wonder if anyone has heard from any members of "The Crescent City S Gaugers"? Mike PS: If someone on this list has lost their trains I'm willing to donate an Atlantic & a few cars & track to someone that had their trains go down the drain ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37006	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 hoppers

Great! Now I'll have to get some On30 hoppers!! :^) I've only done a few On30 conversions. I need to do some more!! I still have some coaches waiting to be converted. Steve Blancard's conversion page: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html I like to plug it cuz he mentioned my name!! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37007	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Off Topic; STORM & TRAIN LOSSES

IN MOST LOWER AREAS WE DON'T HAVE BASEMENTS...... But i am sure some loss occured..... bob in florida ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off Topic; STORM & TRAIN LOSSES > How many trains of any scale do you think were lost in the wake of the > last > two storms. Alot of guys have their trains in basements. I still wonder if > anyone has heard from any members of "The Crescent City S Gaugers"? Mike > PS: If someone on this list has lost their trains I'm willing to donate an > Atlantic & a few cars & track to someone that had their trains go down the > drain > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37008	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: DC Conversions

Good morning: I have been reading the comments with interest. Most of you, when you install a bridge rectifier, take the easy route and make the field into a permanent magnet. This makes sense as the American Flyer reverser effects the field. You are doing the same. A locomotive so altered will run just fine for a couple of years. (Polarity always the same on the field.) But the iron in the field was designed for reversing polarity. It will magnetize, eventually, but will be a poor magnet and will actually cause a slower running, hotter engine. Instead, when I rewire, I REWIRE. Normally one truck goes directly to the armature. The other side of the armature goes to the reverser. From the reverser are two wires for the field and the last wire goes to the other truck. In my locomotives the truck wire goes to the field. The other field wire goes to the reverser (now an AC terminal on the bridge rectifier). The + and - terminals of the bridge rectifier go to the armature. Last, the other AC terminal goes to the other truck. Now the field reverses when the locomotive goes backwards. The armature doesn't care as it changes polarity as it rotates. This rewiring will keep the field from magnetizing. The locomotive will remain quick and stay cool. Of course all of this is moot if you do what I did to my 322: I put an S&S can motor in! This motor sips compared to the A.C Gilbert motor's gulping. The original reverser and any other parts remain inside the tender. They provide weight. Often I use a zip-lock bag for the small parts. This way, the next owner can revert to A.C. power with the included parts. (Why they would want to is another issue.) As for having too many AC engines to convert to DC, all I can say is convert one locomotive at a time. Remember, the unconverted locomotives will run just fine on DC. You still have to sequence them to get them to go the other way. TMCC or DCC will both show significant improvement to any layout. The secret is the constant voltage on the rails. Then the local electronics do the final regulation. So if you run across a dirt blob that drops the voltage from 12V to 10V yet the motor is only getting 5V, the board will compensate. But if you are running with varying voltage and you drop from 5V to 3V (same 2 volt drop) the impact will be significant. It is interesting how much this reminds me of the AC vs. DC wars waged between Westinghouse and GE in the early decades of the last century. (This war was silenced by modern rectifiers. Now you can have AC transmission with DC traction motors.) The fact of the matter is: any well designed CONSTANT VOLTAGE system will deliver significant gains. This applies to NMRA's DCC, Lionel's TMCC, or MTH's system. Personally, I choose DCC because it is an open standard. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37009	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Very Last B&M AC/DC Sound F-7s are up on ebay

I just put another brand new never opened B&M AC/DC Sound F-7 set up on ebay. Brand spanking new, never run, in the box (never even removed) Boston & Maine #2 AC/DC Sound F-7 A & B units. Stock #00933. I paid $479 + shipping for this beauty. This set has never been taken out of the box or handled in any way. I only removed the plastic to take the pictures. No reserve. $1.00 starting price. Buyer pays $22.00 UPS ground insured for shipping. Item number: 6007301249 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6007301249 This will be my very last F7 for sale. So bid now if your are interested. Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37010	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Not Too Far Off Topic; trains/automobiles, restore/as is

Stumpy, et al., Using the old cat hobby in conjunction with trains hits home with me too. Your last paragraph about using trains as an investment (I feel) is very true. With the demographics of the train hobby pointing to the decline of interest in old trains, it doesn't make sense to use trains as an investment. Many train guys are already unloading their collections. In a few years, those who have fabulous collections may want to sell their trains but nobody will buy them. Simple supply and demand. The way I look at it, you should enjoy the trains for what they are. Stumpy's rules apply to my trains also. As far as my car hobby goes, I own a street rod that was once an original running car with 38,000 original miles and an original interior (1937 Ford Tudor sedan). Very common. But the paint was bad due to bird droppings in the barn it was stored in, and the mohair upholstery had deteriorated badly. It also needed serious safety items to be upgraded if it was to be driven on today's roads. It now has an original style interior and original color paint, with modern running gear and safety items. Sort of like taking a Hudson with flaking paint and repainting it (black, not any other color) and replacing the motor with a DC can motor for better running. Bottom line: It's your train/car. Do whatever makes you happy. BTW, the car was in the Dispatch a few years ago. Have you ever noticed how many of us are both train and car guys? Jerry Poniatowski Enjoying what's left of the street rod season in SE Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > I, too, was involved in vintage autos for a number of years and I can > vouch for what both David Dewey and Mr Gator have said. > Most Antique Automobile Club of America members do take into > account a nice original car vs. a car that needs restored. A nice > original car will usually, but not always, be complete and running > but very scruffy. A car to be restored would be anything from a > basket case of junk parts to an incomplete, non running hulk that > cannot be put back in running condition without major work. > Unfortunately, some decent original cars are torn down and restored > to make fabulously over restored 100 points show winners, that are > often as far from what came out of the factory as a street rod! > Speaking of Street Rods, ALOT of common old cars, and many rare > ones, are now hot rods! > As far as folks putting cars away as an investment, I know of a mid > seventies Cadillac convertable still sitting in a five car garage > covered with old bed sheets, awaiting the day it will be worth more > than the owner paid for it. When the manufacturers started making > rag tops again, this guy's "pay back" moved many more years away. > Stashing a new car until it's value is again more than the purchase > price is a comparativly recent phenomena and has rarely paid off so > far. > What does this have to do with trains? If you are going to use the > vintage auto hobby as a gauge, it goes like this;If you are buying > new trains as an investment, you're probably not going to realize a > return for a LONG time, if ever. Common old trains can be restored > or modified. Rare old trains should be kept original if possible, or > restored if necessary. But some WILL end up as customized items. > Stumpy Stone...car guy almost as long as a train guy...in Martins > Ferry, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37011	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Bachmann On30 hoppers

Jerry, Steve Blancard did some coach conversions, they are a little harder, probably why I haven't tackled it yet. Steve is on the list here. Rick. Rick Can you advise what type of couplers are used to convert the On3 coaches to S gauge? Jerry Matsick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37012	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: 1/64th vehicles

I've curbed my buying of vehicles this past year, and that's hard to do! BUT, I couldn't pass on two Johnny Lightning's I saw at Wal-Mart. Both are from the Coca-Cola International Collection, one is a 1955 Ford Panel Delivery and the other is a 1940 Ford Sedan Delievry. Just under $5, not cheap, but look really nice. Bottom half is Yellow and the top is White, Coke logos of course. The '55 is my favorite, don't believe I have any '55 Fords panels. And '55 was such a good year! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37013	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles

Hey Rick, Was that recently? I am always on the lookout for old trucks, especially Fords and Chevys. Roy Inman > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:27:24 -0700 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] 1/64th vehicles > > I've curbed my buying of vehicles this past year, and that's hard to do! > BUT, I couldn't pass on two Johnny Lightning's I saw at Wal-Mart. > Both are from the Coca-Cola International Collection, one is a > 1955 Ford Panel Delivery and the other is a 1940 Ford Sedan Delievry. > Just under $5, not cheap, but look really nice. Bottom half is Yellow and the > top > is White, Coke logos of course. > > The '55 is my favorite, don't believe I have any '55 Fords panels. > And '55 was such a good year! ;^) > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37014	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Animated stuff

Hi Gang! Have any of you ever used anything animated such as a ski slope or skating rink by Mr. Christmas? I was just wondering how it would fit in and not be out of scale too much. There are quite a few Mr. Christmas animated things for sale on Ebay. Are there any other brands that fit nicely with Flyer? I am trying to get a little more action other than trains on the layout now. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37015	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Animated stuff

I am not familiar with Mr. Christmas stuff. Is the skating rink sort of like a mirro with magnets underneath that make the people skate around the rink ? If yes, I am thinking this could be a really neat thing. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37016	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Animated Stuff

Check out this website if you want to see some neat animated scenes on an O gauge layout. Most of the photos have short videos attached showing the animations in motion. http://www.spikesland.com/2000wise/gallery.html BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37017	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles

**((Was that recently? )) Yep Roy, just last Sunday. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37018	From: Phil K	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: Trains as an investment

>>[Stumpy's] last paragraph about using trains as an investment (I > feel) is very true. With the demographics of the train hobby > pointing to the decline of interest in old trains, it doesn't make > sense to use trains as an investment. I don't see a decline in the interest in old trains. What I see is a decline in the overall popularity of the model train hobby, which is a totally different subject entirely. What I do see is an ongoing investor interest in "collectible" old trains. Just look at the recent Stout auctions or the two huge Madison Hardware sales. What sold high there were old trains whose rarity has seen them morph into a "commodity" -- something highly desireable and rare that is bought and sold on the speculation that the price will continue to increase. Some people interested in investing in commodities -- in this case highly-collectible (rare) toy trains -- are indeed looking more toward collectible trains strictly as an investment, not because they are interested in trains. I can't ever inagine a day when a 21165 or 302AC or common 640 hopper would fit this category, mainly because soooo many were manufactured, they're everywhere and therefore are not considered "rare." On the other hand, 21139s and 22140s and original five-digit MP and NP sets and the Gilbert Track Gang, etc., will always be in demand by investors as commodities because very, very few were made and survived intact. Of course, as they say in the fine print in stock announcements, there's no guarantee or performance or profitablity. But investors in commodities, who are risk-takers (gamblers) by nature, will always collect things that were made in very limited quantities. Whether they will realize a profit is another matter. >> Many train guys are already unloading their collections. In a few years, those who have fabulous collections may want to sell their trains but nobody will buy them. Simple supply and demand.<< Again, I'll disagree. First, we can't read anything into "guys unloading their collections." This is not a new phenomina -- people have been selling their collections (of anything) for years. We cannot assume people are "unloading their collections" now because they have looked into a crystal ball and somehow know the values will never go up more than the current market price. Maybe they just need the money. Maybe they're retiring and want to cash out now. Maybe they're downsizing their living space. We will never know their true motivation for selling, and therefore shouldn't read anything negative into it. I have a complete collection of S-Gaugians and if you look at some of the later 1980s issues, people at that time were shocked that Northerns were commanding a whopping $125 to $150. There also are display ads in those issues selling VG+ Atlantics for $15, two for $25. Hudsons were $25 each in similar condition. Like in any commodity, there always will be ebbs and flows over time. I have always been fascinated watching train prices. There was a price spike in the early 1990s and another in 2002-3, the latter thanks mainly to eBay. There's no guarantee it won't happen again, just like there's no guarantee it will. I do remember hearing one of the guys in my S gauge train club bemoaning the fact that he sold a dozen decent-shape Northerns to another guy several years ago for 150 bucks each. Had he waited a few more years, he could have gotten another $300-$350 apiece for them. Investing in anything requires a certain amount of gambling. Ya rolls the dice, and ya takes yer chances. >>The way I look at it, you should enjoy the trains for what they are. Stumpy's rules apply to my trains also ... Bottom line: It's your train/car. Do whatever makes you happy.<< Good point. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37019	From: Richard Moyer	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Something That Has Bothered Me

In the back of my mind, this whole "scale thing" always bothered me . . . particularly when you guys start talking about 1/64th scale vehicles. I found this site (below) with interesting write-up and even more interesting reference for 'train scales' I know everyone already knew this, but you may want to look here: http://www.themodelmakersresource.co.uk/articles/article019.html http://www.themodelmakersresource.co.uk/facts/facts012.html Rick Moyer E-Mail: WestCoastAFDepot@... _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37020	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles

We recently picked up a collection of older cars, trucks, farm equipment , etc. Will be showing a sample of this at the Allentown show, Edison and Fort Washington PA. Autos, small trucks are $ 4. and tractor/trailers and farm equipment are $8. Tom Doherty PA Heritage Models, Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Evans Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 1/64th vehicles I've curbed my buying of vehicles this past year, and that's hard to do! BUT, I couldn't pass on two Johnny Lightning's I saw at Wal-Mart. Both are from the Coca-Cola International Collection, one is a 1955 Ford Panel Delivery and the other is a 1940 Ford Sedan Delievry. Just under $5, not cheap, but look really nice. Bottom half is Yellow and the top is White, Coke logos of course. The '55 is my favorite, don't believe I have any '55 Fords panels. And '55 was such a good year! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37021	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 10/20/2005
Subject: Running on DC

Thought is was time that I contributed my ten cents worth to the DC debate. I operate all of my engines (mostly restored AF) on DC. I did this originally because finding an AC train transformer in Australia was very difficult but DC train controllers were readily available. My original conversions used diodes and then bridge rectifiers. I am now installing the new can motors in my engines. These just drop in and you only need to solder two wires. There is a great improvement in performance. I carefully label and store the original Gilbert motors and reverse units should a future owner wish to restore the engines. Gilbert instruction books from the late 1940s and early 1950s have detailed instructions on how to wire accessories for DC operation. I have never encountered any real problems. My favourite source of pure DC is a car battery charger! I am sure that if the Gilbert Company had survived to the present they would be making engines with some sort of can motor. Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37022	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Status of Crescent City S Gaugers

All, I want to thank those who were (are) concerned about CCSG as a group and individuals. AFAIK, we are all O.K. As most of you already know, we evacuated to different parts of the country as "Katrina" (cat. 4 hurricane) approached New Orleans. I spent the month of September in Hot Springs Village, AR. We were occupied most of the time with change of addresses, insurance adjusters, etc. Many of us have been stationed at different locations because of work assignments and so, may be hard to communicate with for a while. I know that Allen Evans and Lee Sykes are temporarily located with the Navy in Memphis, TN. Art Weller is (was) working very hard to help bring an oil refinery back into service. I think his home was O.K. Norman Maunz and Michael Bushnell were lucky and suffered no damage and are fine. I think Larry Janeski is temporarily stationed in Baton Rouge, LA (now the biggest city in the state). Mickey Guidroz did not live in a part of the state that had a major impact from the storm. I am now temporarily stationed in Stoneville, MS. I have been spending much of my time trying to get work activity back to "normal". My house and probably my train stuff suffered catastrophic damage, but, hey, we all survived it...that's what counts. I plan to get into my house in a couple of weeks and see if anything is recoverable. CCSG is spread around the Mid-south part of the country and it may be some time before we all get together again. I am now trying to survey the damage to the club display layout and see what it will take to re-build it. We will definitely be back, but it will take some time (a year or more). Thanks again for your concern. Hopefully, some of us will make it to the S convention (NASG) next year and we can all discuss it over a beer. :-) Jeff Madden (Editor, Dispatch) has asked me to write up a little "blurb" about our experience with this disaster and I plan to do so in the next week or so. 'Til then. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon Coordinator, CCSG Formerly of New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37023	From: Mike	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Modifying American Flyer switch controllers

I seem to remember an article in S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains that provided a methodoloy for wiring the bulbs in an American Flyer switch controller at 12 volts (cooler and last longer)while maintaining 18 Volts to the switch for a crisp snap. Does anyone know the issue or another source for the info. Thanks in advance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37024	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Something That Has Bothered Me

Thanks Rick, These references are very clear and helpful. Later, Bill Porter > In the back of my mind, this whole "scale thing" always bothered me . . . > particularly when you guys start talking about 1/64th scale vehicles. > > I found this site (below) with interesting write-up and even more > interesting reference for 'train scales' > > I know everyone already knew this, but you may want to look here: > > > http://www.themodelmakersresource.co.uk/articles/article019.html > > http://www.themodelmakersresource.co.uk/facts/facts012.html > > Rick Moyer > E-Mail: WestCoastAFDepot@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37025	From: Jerry	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Running on DC

I've always heard that car battery chargers by themselves were very poor DC sources- lots of ripple, spikes, etc. Once connected to a battery, which acts like a BIG capacitor, it smooths out considerably. -- Jerry > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:12:32 +1000 > From: John & Maria Harvey <brigadie@...> > Subject: Running on DC > > Thought is was time that I contributed my ten cents worth to the DC > debate. I operate all of my engines (mostly restored AF) on DC. I did > this originally because finding an AC train transformer in Australia was > very difficult but DC train controllers were readily available. My > original conversions used diodes and then bridge rectifiers. I am now > installing the new can motors in my engines. These just drop in and you > only need to solder two wires. There is a great improvement in > performance. I carefully label and store the original Gilbert motors > and reverse units should a future owner wish to restore the engines. > > Gilbert instruction books from the late 1940s and early 1950s have > detailed instructions on how to wire accessories for DC operation. I > have never encountered any real problems. My favourite source of pure > DC is a car battery charger! > > I am sure that if the Gilbert Company had survived to the present they > would be making engines with some sort of can motor. > > Regards, > John Harvey > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37026	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: On3 coaches to S gauge

On3 coaches to S gauge: I just completed my conversion of three Bachmann On3 Colorado & Southern coaches to S gauge. Using the original side frames, and adding a spacer ( strip of plastic 17/64 wide ) and using L-line S gauge wheels, which added some weight to the cars,& reduces friction to let the cars roll excellent. Couplers were replaced with K-D # 802. I added 2 more lamps in side the cars, electrical conductive paint on the wheels for the lighting. The locomotive has a small motor and plastic gears, I feel that would not convert very well. I rebuilt a A.F. Atlantic, installed body mounted K-D couplers on the tender to complete the train. The conversion went very quick and easy. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37027	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: for sale or Trade

For sale or Trade: Clyde Beatty Cole Bros. Circus. by Ertl, 3/16 scale. 4 die cast trucks with trailer & tent, new in box, produced in 1991. Similar item went for over $150. on E-bay. trade for new switch engine or ???. I don't have enough room on my layout for a circus. If interested contact me off line or call. Jerry Dobbs 303 985 5109

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37028	From: Rick	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: American Models Budd cars

Has anyone had experience running AM Budd passenger cars on AF track with the 19.5 inch curves. I have a cheap UP passenger car that I think is 74 foot scale and it just barely makes it around the curves. Would Amtrak cars do better on the curves? I don't know what scale length they are. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37029	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Running on DC

Hi Jerry and Esteemed Colleagues, As with most electrical questions, it depends on what you want. Some of the better-grade DC power packs have a feature to supply pulses to the tracks. The reason is that the magnets of the armature and of the field interact differently as the armature rotates. Some positions are stronger and some weaker. Tht leads to a cogging effect. At slow speeds, the result can be that the loco stalls. Add some pulses to a smooth DC supply and the motor will keep on rolling past the sticky spots. Most of the command-control (DCC, DCS and TMCC) systems have decoders that do the smae job under the covers. Some modern motors have armatures arranged with plates not all in a line. These skewed armatures give up a lttle power to buy smoother operation at slow speeds - less cogging action. Whether or not a DC power supply should be smoothly regulated depends on what you want to do with it. Unless your manufacturer urges you not to use "pulsed" DC, a bumpy supply might work better for you at switching speeds. Do you have older equipment? Do you run full-blast or slow speed? Does the motor heat up with bumpy DC? Is there an older sound system? Will you use the power supply to feed a base station or solid-state throttle? Answers to these and other questions help us to choose the sort of power we want to have or to avoid. You might want to experiment a bit to see what works for you, your trains and your setting. Good Luck, Bill Porter > >I've always heard that car battery chargers by themselves were very poor > >DC sources- lots of ripple, spikes, etc. Once connected to a battery, > >which acts like a BIG capacitor, it smooths out considerably. > >-- > >Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37030	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: October York 2005

Now that many have written about their York experience last week, I thought I would now write a bit about mine. I never had attended a York in October, as I live about 2 hours away in Maryland, since my wife and I usually go to Maine, Acadia National Park for two weeks at the end of September and the beginning of October. We usually go to York in April, as the trip to Maine runs us about 3,000. We saw TCA member Don Brimmer and his wife, Kathy, as they live in Bar Harbor. They run a nice B&B. We had a great time with them that evening. This trip to York, I just took a 100 cash with me, as I thought I would have just as much fun, with a 100 as I would with much more money, as I have spent in the past. Yeah, spending 4000 at my first York in 1993, was a bit overboard, but that being my first York, I have fond memories of what I purchased. But I wanted to go to York this October, since Jerry Matsick was coming up, as we have become good email and phone friends the past two year, all due to the TCA list and I wanted to meet Joseph Lechner, as we have become good email friends, as we have the clarinet and classical music in common. I also got him hooked on a weird comic called Zippy who visits old roadside attractions. Zippy is a bit weird, but has some good humor, as Joseph gets the daily comic via email. So, this York was more of a social event for my wife and me, as through the internet, TCA has become more meaning full, as I now know of many members by name on the TCA and S list, but not by face. The new name badges made that possible, as I even saw Clem Clement hurrying by Jerry and me in the Silver Hall. I called out to Clem and he stopped and talk for a few seconds, as I am sure he had his hands full of things to do. Okay, he was looking for that cheap Blue Comet, which to a AF guy means nothing. Anyway, my wife and I meet Jerry a little before 9 infront of the Blue/Silver Hall and we greeted each other. It was good to see him, as we both have eye problems. O:)! We covered the Blue and Silver Hall and then it was about 11:30 as we got some lunch at the restaurant at the fairgrounds. I have never eaten lunch there before, as usually I got the crabcake sandwich. Sorry, Graeme! But I will still buy you that sandwich when you come to York. Maybe we can find a Marmite Sandwich stand! LOL Anyway, lunch was great, as my wife and I both got a pulled Pork sandwich, chicken corn soup, she, applesauce, and I, coleslaw, plus soda which refills, all for $16. All homemade and very good. Totally stuffed. Next time, I will do without the coleslaw! While in the restaurant, Mike Spanier came by with his lunch, as we knew each other by email, so it was great to finally met him. Also in the Blue hall, I saw Lou Baldi, who called to me first, as we have sent emails in private also in the past. After lunch, we went to the Red Hall, where my favorite dealer in AF is, Gary Clark, as we greeted each other. He asked me what I was looking for, as I told him this was more of a social trip. He was fine with that, as we talked for a bit about things. Jerry continued on, I guess, as when I was done talking with Gary he was gone, but I figured he was fine. But, I spotted a unpainted 24125 Bethlehem Steel Gondola in LN that I needed for 20. We all laugh when I said I would take it. We continued on down the aisle and back up, when we ran into Barb Rudnicki from FL. It was good to see her again, as she updated us on her layout and she had some nice photo's. We saw Jerry come down the other way, when we with Barb. And he stopped to say hello, as he continued his way and we our way, as he was a bit ahead of us. A couple of times during the day, there were two announcements, two of many, that a woman had taken something off two different tables and for them to return it and pay for it. Two different incidents, as I am not sure they would return to the scene of the crime to pay for such items. We finish the Red Hall and then to the White Hall. In the White Hall, I think, we ran into Scott Kienzlen. We talked for a bit, as I remembered about his father, 83, having a stoke. Scott said he is doing better. Then we went to the Blue Hall where Joseph had the internet table and he wasn't there so I left a note that we were by. We went over to the Orange hall. I saw the new Lionel AF loading Platform and car that is coming out in November. I really the detail on the remake of the 974 Erie Box car that will come with it. I will get one of those for the layout (someday), as I would never run my original 974. It looks like Lionel improved the looks of the trucks for the car. Then my wife and I saw Don Thompson of S Helper, as we talked a bit about things other than trains. Then I saw Bob Board's display for his liquid smoke, as he had trains running on the American S track from Classic Trains and he had the much awaited switches, which Bob said will be out in a few months. I heard this before from Bob, LOL, but I went to the Classic Train website and they confirmed that. Great. Then we saw Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair, as Joe and I have become good email friends, as we share a liking for ACC football. He and his, Duke and FSU, me, MD. Hopefully next year we will attend a FSU/MD game together. O:)! Joe told me about Nicholas Smith closing out Lionel AF real cheap and he was right. Most of the cars they had I wasn't interested in, but they had plenty of the re-make of the Monon Piggyback car and unloader for $30! Even, though, I have one from Lionel and a original in mint, I couldn't pass this up. Just having that car alone for 30 for the layout is great. They plenty of Chessie Wire Wheel Flats, but I have one of those too, and sadly the Wire Wheel is not being held down by a screw like the original. So I pass on that. We then went back to the Blue hall, hoping to see Joseph. Nope, not at the table. As I was getting ready to leave another note, someone came up to us and it was Joseph. It was great to see him in person, finally. It was great to talk to him. And yes, I did pass a Chemistry exam question he sent me, awhile back, as he is a professor of Chemistry. My grade was a big S, for S gauge but in red! Which is usually not a good thing to get, colorwise. LOL So, we went to say goodbye to Gary Clark and Laura. By then it was after 5. So we had a long and great day. And spent less than a 100! LOL It can be done, spend a little and have a great time at York. It was neat to have people call out your name, as the name badges with the bigger name on it, really made a difference. Again, for a long time, I basically knew no one at York or in TCA. That has changed. Sadly, as many of you know, Jerry lost his Florida Gator windbreaker in the red hall, as he left it on a chair waiting for us. It was gone, when he went back for it. I still think who ever took it, with out being decent and turning it in to the lost and found on the fairgrounds, is a pretty sad person. Looking forward to April. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37031	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Non train things at York

Here is a list of several things that my wife and I observed at York, not train related. 1. VCR tapes of TV shows 2. Noah's Ark and it wasn't plasticville. (Still if it was plasticville, I don't think there where trains at that time. I know, it could be for a theme park on a layout.) 3. Children's books of assorted types. Again, Children's Bible stories, fine, but where is the train connection! LOL 4. Alien Space Mountain. Several in huge boxes. 5. Open catalog on a table for jewelry sales. And not train jewelry. There are more, but I can't remember the rest! LOL I did see many on cell phones, including a table holder really going at his conversation. I didn't say anything, because, I am sure, it would lead to an argument! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37032	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York

I too saw many voilations...... phones, other junk, beanies, etc..... there was a time, James Redmon from Ok used to bring a box of model planes for me..... he had to keep them under the table....... I caught H for the phone..... wasn't feeling too hot in the red hall..... set down and my phone buzzed...... turned it on and hid it behind that black bag I was carrying to tell them I had to go outside...... TOO LATE...... HHHH..... No reason for the rudness I got...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > Here is a list of several things that my wife and I observed at York, not > train related. > > 1. VCR tapes of TV shows > 2. Noah's Ark and it wasn't plasticville. (Still if it was plasticville, > I don't think there where trains at that time. I know, it could be for a > theme park on a layout.) > 3. Children's books of assorted types. Again, Children's Bible stories, > fine, but where is the train connection! LOL > 4. Alien Space Mountain. Several in huge boxes. > 5. Open catalog on a table for jewelry sales. And not train jewelry. > > There are more, but I can't remember the rest! LOL > > I did see many on cell phones, including a table holder really going at > his conversation. I didn't say anything, because, I am sure, it would > lead to an argument! > > Mike Marmer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37033	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: American Models Budd cars

Mine run fine. So do Amtraks. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <piecon@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Budd cars > Has anyone had experience running AM Budd passenger cars on AF track with the 19.5 inch > curves. > I have a cheap UP passenger car that I think is 74 foot scale and it just barely makes it around > the curves. > > Would Amtrak cars do better on the curves? I don't know what scale length they are. > > Rick > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37034	From: Tom Kaufman	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2827

Group: I have a question. I was looking through the Lionel catalog, and I am considering buying the scale version of the Banjo signal. Is the pressure contactor for Lionel track usable with flyer track? Could I adjust it down good enough to activate the accessories? Just wondering, as I also looked at other accesories using the same contactor and thought I could add these to my small hi-rail layout. Tom Kaufman __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37035	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 23, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37036	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2827

Tom, I could not figure a good way for the pressure contactor to work, especially since the banjo signal (which works very well, BTW) was to go on a modular layout with AM track. I wound up using both the Lionel and MTH IR detectors. We used one for each loop. They work like a charm, after some careful setting up. Roy Inman > From: Tom Kaufman <elmer53@...> > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:43:11 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2827 > > Group: > > I have a question. I was looking through the Lionel catalog, and I am > considering buying the scale version of the Banjo signal. Is the pressure > contactor for Lionel track usable with flyer track? Could I adjust it > down good enough to activate the accessories? Just wondering, as I also > looked at other accesories using the same contactor and thought I could > add these to my small hi-rail layout. Tom Kaufman > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37037	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Running on DC

Regarding using a car battery chargerv as a source of DC. I have been running an oval of track using an old fashioned rheostat connected to a charger for over 20 years with no problems. Converted AF engines are quite happy with this power source. I also use another charger as source of 6 volt or 12 volt DC to run some of my accessories like the Flyonel Barrel Loader. Regards, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37038	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2005
Subject: Re: Running on DC

I have had great results using a light dimmer on the power side of a surplus transformer that has a 120voutput input winding & a 20v output winding. A bridge diode can be used for DC. This was done for the fun of it because you can get a really good DC transformer for train use for under $30. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37039	From: beebear	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York

All this going on and you HAVE TO BE A TCA member just to get in to the train show??? It all sounds like a big scam to me. I wonder if THOSE people were TCA members? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > I too saw many voilations...... phones, other junk, beanies, etc..... there > was a time, James Redmon from Ok used to bring a box of model planes for > me..... he had to keep them under the table....... I caught H for the > phone..... wasn't feeling too hot in the red hall..... set down and my phone > buzzed...... turned it on and hid it behind that black bag I was carrying to > tell them I had to go outside...... TOO LATE...... HHHH..... No reason for > the rudness I got...... Bob > > > Here is a list of several things that my wife and I observed at York, not > > train related. > > > > 1. VCR tapes of TV shows > > 2. Noah's Ark and it wasn't plasticville. (Still if it was plasticville, > > I don't think there where trains at that time. I know, it could be for a > > theme park on a layout.) > > 3. Children's books of assorted types. Again, Children's Bible stories, > > fine, but where is the train connection! LOL > > 4. Alien Space Mountain. Several in huge boxes. > > 5. Open catalog on a table for jewelry sales. And not train jewelry. > > > > There are more, but I can't remember the rest! LOL > > > > I did see many on cell phones, including a table holder really going at > > his conversation. I didn't say anything, because, I am sure, it would > > lead to an argument! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37040	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 1/64th vehicles

Roy Inman wrote: >I am always on the lookout for old trucks, especially >Fords and Chevys. Roy... How old is "old"? Besides '50s trucks, Johnny Lightning currently offers a lot of stuff in the early '60s to early '70s range. Like this Chevy pickup: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01/8342JLChevyPU and this '66 Bronco: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01/8341JLBronco There are others as well. I have found it easiest to find JL at Toys'R Us. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37041	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: A helping Hand/ Lest we Forget

Jay, Do you know of someone in your club that got wiped out as far as their trains? I'm willing to donate a couple of engines ALANTics"s & Pacific"s & some cars Maybe some track to someone that lost all their stuff. It might be runnuing stuff or it might need minor repair but if you have nothing I thing something to "play/Repair" might do some good. I really don't have alot but will share some with someone with out. I can also offer some ERECTOR for the same reasons. I'd like to deal with you on this as I "kinda" know you n& I know I won't be taken advantage of & you would know the person / persons in need. In the future I "Might be able to send you some 4oz bottles of fluid to sell at your meets or other meets to help fund your repairs. Just let me know. I'lm a bit slow but it will get to you. Mike PS: Please send an address so I can send these things if needed. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37042	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York

Other non train items I saw where Christmas related things that would not be for a layout and many non train Marx toys. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" <beebear@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > All this going on and you HAVE TO BE A TCA member just to get in to the > train show??? > It all sounds like a big scam to me. I wonder if THOSE people were TCA > members? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > > > > I too saw many voilations...... phones, other junk, beanies, etc..... > there > > was a time, James Redmon from Ok used to bring a box of model planes for > > me..... he had to keep them under the table....... I caught H for the > > phone..... wasn't feeling too hot in the red hall..... set down and my > phone > > buzzed...... turned it on and hid it behind that black bag I was carrying > to > > tell them I had to go outside...... TOO LATE...... HHHH..... No reason for > > the rudness I got...... Bob > > > > > Here is a list of several things that my wife and I observed at York, > not > > > train related. > > > > > > 1. VCR tapes of TV shows > > > 2. Noah's Ark and it wasn't plasticville. (Still if it was > plasticville, > > > I don't think there where trains at that time. I know, it could be for > a > > > theme park on a layout.) > > > 3. Children's books of assorted types. Again, Children's Bible > stories, > > > fine, but where is the train connection! LOL > > > 4. Alien Space Mountain. Several in huge boxes. > > > 5. Open catalog on a table for jewelry sales. And not train jewelry. > > > > > > There are more, but I can't remember the rest! LOL > > > > > > I did see many on cell phones, including a table holder really going at > > > his conversation. I didn't say anything, because, I am sure, it would > > > lead to an argument! > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37043	From: beebear	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York

So my question is: If you have to be a TCA member just to get into the fairgrounds WHY are these people allowed to sell NON train items. I would very much like to attend York once , but I don't want to jump thru hoops to get in there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>; "beebear" <beebear@...>; "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > Other non train items I saw where Christmas related things that would not be > for a layout and many non train Marx toys. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beebear" <beebear@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > > > > All this going on and you HAVE TO BE A TCA member just to get in to the > > train show??? > > It all sounds like a big scam to me. I wonder if THOSE people were TCA > > members? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > > > > > > > I too saw many voilations...... phones, other junk, beanies, etc..... > > there > > > was a time, James Redmon from Ok used to bring a box of model planes for > > > me..... he had to keep them under the table....... I caught H for the > > > phone..... wasn't feeling too hot in the red hall..... set down and my > > phone > > > buzzed...... turned it on and hid it behind that black bag I was > carrying > > to > > > tell them I had to go outside...... TOO LATE...... HHHH..... No reason > for > > > the rudness I got...... Bob > > > > > > > Here is a list of several things that my wife and I observed at York, > > not > > > > train related. > > > > > > > > 1. VCR tapes of TV shows > > > > 2. Noah's Ark and it wasn't plasticville. (Still if it was > > plasticville, > > > > I don't think there where trains at that time. I know, it could be > for > > a > > > > theme park on a layout.) > > > > 3. Children's books of assorted types. Again, Children's Bible > > stories, > > > > fine, but where is the train connection! LOL > > > > 4. Alien Space Mountain. Several in huge boxes. > > > > 5. Open catalog on a table for jewelry sales. And not train > jewelry. > > > > > > > > There are more, but I can't remember the rest! LOL > > > > > > > > I did see many on cell phones, including a table holder really going > at > > > > his conversation. I didn't say anything, because, I am sure, it would > > > > lead to an argument! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com > 10:22:25 AM ET - 10/22/2005

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37044	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York

I guess I am strange, but I spent so much time looking at trains, that I didn't have time to dwell on things that were not trains. To the person who commented that it sounds like a scam, I would suspect you have never been to York. You can not imagine it, without having seen it. I always forget how big it is, until I once more try to walk it searching for my own idea of train treasures. There may / were some non-train items, but it was a very small percentage of what was there, and at this level did not detract or diminish the show IMHO. I think the reason for the rule is that TCA Eastern does not want the show to turn into a show like GATS, the only one I went to being 50% dolls and other toys not remotely related to trains. As a train collector I felt cheated for my money and have never been back to a GATS show since. After paying entry and parking at this event, it was certainly expensive. York on the other hard is probably 99% train related, has a low entry fee, and more trains than you could afford to buy in hundreds of lifetimes, all at one show. The York experience is unique, and while there are many reasons to belong to TCA, being able to attend York is a good enough one by its self. Those complaining about non-train items could justly say "the glass is one percent empty", but I see the glass as 99% full! That's good enough for me!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37045	From: knockbill	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: York

Hi I agree with Chuck..... There may be some "non train" items for sale, however, there are so many train & train related items, that they are hard to notice,,,, I have been to many meets in the area, and just one of the buildings at the York fairgrounds is larger than many other meets, & there are at least seven of them ... As far as the "new rules" go, everyone knows about them before they sign up, so I don't believe the hosts (Eastern Div), should have to enforce them, as we are their guests, & should try to make the meet as easy to run as possible,,,, Without their efforts, there would be no York... I've written my thoughts on the new rules on the TCA list,as Clem asked for suggestions, maybe some others who don't agree with the way things worked this fall at York, could share some ideas on how to make the next meet better for all... I realize the TCA is mostly an O gauge club, & going to York is my main reason for joining, Anyone is welcome to go to York, one time, as the guest of a TCA member,,, & one time won't be enough, I hope you all get at least one chance to go.... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37046	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Non train things at York

Actually, I don't mind seeing some of the things that were non train items, as long as it doesn't get overboard and take away from the trains. But no Beanie Babies! LOL Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Non train things at York > I guess I am strange, but I spent so much time looking at trains, > that I didn't have time to dwell on things that were not trains. > > To the person who commented that it sounds like a scam, I would > suspect you have never been to York. You can not imagine it, without > having seen it. I always forget how big it is, until I once more try > to walk it searching for my own idea of train treasures. > > There may / were some non-train items, but it was a very small > percentage of what was there, and at this level did not detract or > diminish the show IMHO. I think the reason for the rule is that TCA > Eastern does not want the show to turn into a show like GATS, the > only one I went to being 50% dolls and other toys not remotely > related to trains. As a train collector I felt cheated for my money > and have never been back to a GATS show since. After paying entry and > parking at this event, it was certainly expensive. > > York on the other hard is probably 99% train related, has a low entry > fee, and more trains than you could afford to buy in hundreds of > lifetimes, all at one show. The York experience is unique, and while > there are many reasons to belong to TCA, being able to attend York is > a good enough one by its self. > > Those complaining about non-train items could justly say "the glass > is one percent empty", but I see the glass as 99% full! That's good > enough for me! > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37047	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car

I forgot to ask on this car, if anyone has a PM 24076 UP Stock car, could you see if the body of the car, at the bottom of the doors, have a plastic strip, where the metal door guide. Is it there or missing? Just curious. Thanks, Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37048	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2828

Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:42:50 -0000 From: "Mike" <helmsdeeptecumseh@...> Subject: Modifying American Flyer switch controllers I seem to remember an article in S Gaugian or Classic Toy Trains that provided a methodoloy for wiring the bulbs in an American Flyer switch controller at 12 volts (cooler and last longer)while maintaining 18 Volts to the switch for a crisp snap. Does anyone know the issue or another source for the info. Thanks in advance The easiest way to reduce the voltage of the switch lamp is to put a small diode ( in series ) on the yellow post on the switch to the yellow wire. Diods at radio Shack, pkg of 6 $ 1.99 +/- Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37049	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: 24076 PM UP Stock car

Last York, I was looking for the Pike Master version of the 24076 UP Stock car, that goes with a set that has the 21130 engine. I have completed all sets that have the 21130 engine, 3 sets and the set that has the rare 21129 Hudson. It seems when you are looking for a inexpensive car, after you located the rare cars, I could not find this car. I did finally get a real nice LN one from John Heck, but the plastic runner in the bottom of the door was broken. You can not see that plastic, as the metal door guide is covering it. He gave it to me for $50, which I thought was a fair price. However this York, October, again, I only saw one PM 24076 UP Stock car, in LN condition again, but that plastic piece was broken out. But sides of the car were missing on both cars. This one went for $60, so I did well with John Heck. I am wondering, since both cars had this plastic piece broken out on both sides of the car, if this was done at the factory, as I can't image a kid doing this to both cars. Unless this kid own both cars! O:)! As a kid, I would never of thought of doing this, for what purpose, as I don't think that would be too easy to do, so cleanly. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37050	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car

Mike, I have had my like new 24076 PM car for many years and it is the same as yours. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37051	From: RCESpeak	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: York Report

Hi All, I have been forced to return from my trip to York and my high school reunion three days early due to hurricane Wilma. Nasty little things these hurricanes! They look so small on the weather map and so large when they are barreling toward your train room door. York was as awesome as always. Although I bought only one piece of rolling stock, the Borden's car, and no engines (although I was tempted), I did manage to pick up a number of nifty items for the layout including my first pair of operational traffic lights in S from Berkshire Junction. The unexpected and really cool purchase was an original wooden crate from the A.C. Gilbert factory that was used for storing engines and rolling stock. It is just so cool and will be used for the same purpose in my train room. The two highlights of the trip, as has always been the case, are the Gilbert Get Together and the meeting of members of this list. I learn so much at the Get Together and am always amazed at the rare finds presented. After training all day, it is a delightful experience to dine with S-list members, talk about our hobby and purchases and laugh ourselves silly. We did have great fun even if the weather was not kind. So now, I am wrapping each engine, piece of rolling stock and all operational accessories and storing them in plastic totes in preparation for Wilma. Let's hope Wilma does not increase in intensity as she turns East. As far as preparations for the new tropical depression, Alpha, in the Atlantic, for this one I think I'll just drink scotch. Best Wishes.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37052	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: couplers

hi,has anyone ever fixed knuckle couplers? i keep changing them and have a pile of broken ones. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37053	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car

Mike.... I just checked the one found at York for about 25..... red lettering on one side.... whithe the other..... good to repaint..E... my shelf one I looked at too.....LN Bothh are solid plastic.... no breaks......... I think I might have some more somewhere.... will look..... but if I do they will be unbroken as I always passed on those you describe....... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37054	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: module carpet

Hello AF friends, I would like to thank all the suggestions for finding module covering material for my layout. I appreciate all those who emailed me. Thanks again, Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike AF Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37055	From: beebear	Date: 10/22/2005
Subject: track questions

If I were to build a track layout using code 100 or 125 rails and run a standard, Gilbert, American Flyer train on it what would happen? I am in the beginning process of designing my layout. I don't know if I want to go to all AF track or get the better looking code 100 or 125 track. Any thoughts on either one? All arguments welcome ! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37056	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: track questions

Hi John, AF will not run on code 100 as the deeper wheel flanges will hit the ties. I have run AF on code 125 (S Helper Service makes code 125 rail which is based on 155 pound rail) and code 148 (American Models). These are solid and realistic rail. Others make larger solid rail which mate with AF switches. If you want to spend time making a realistic setting with scenery then code 125 or 148 would be best. Next are you using AC or DC for power and do you want DCC for operation? All track can handle them. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "beebear" <beebear@...> To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] track questions > If I were to build a track layout using code 100 or 125 rails and run a > standard, Gilbert, American Flyer train on it what would happen? > > I am in the beginning process of designing my layout. I don't know > if I want to go to all AF track or get the better looking code 100 or 125 > track. Any thoughts on either one? All arguments welcome ! > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37057	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: couplers

Yes I have repaired couplers. They used to be in great demand prior to Lionel remaking them. I own a Lionel rivet tool which makes repairs easier, but old age and bifocals took up the slack LOL. If your broken couplers need a home please contact me off list tomminil@... TOM -----Original Message----- From: louis glumac <lglumac@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:22:02 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] couplers hi,has anyone ever fixed knuckle couplers? i keep changing them and have a pile of broken ones. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37058	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car I forgot to ask on this car, if anyone has a PM 24076 UP Stock car, could you see if the body of the car, at the bottom of the doors, have a plastic strip, where the metal door guide. Is it there or missing? Mike: I have several 24076 cars, Three different typed of door guides. I believe the earlier has a door guide held to the car with pins. second, similar to the first,except the lower door guides have a tab bent into the holes to hold the guide to the car. Third is a MP car with the bent tab type of door guide. Actually 7 different combinations of cars exist, 2 different bodies, 2 different frames, and 2 different door guides. None of my cars are broke at the bottom as you describe. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37059	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: 24076 PM UP Stock car & Coupler repairing

Hi all, I don't get many opportunities to post lately, seems work just takes up too much time! (I am temporarily managing the local Performing Arts Center, and this is the beginning of "the season"). I miss y'all! Broken door frame bottoms (Hmm, best description I could come up with) could be a common problem, especiallly with late production. It's a fragile area to begin with and I suspect the redesign for the door rails with tabs instead of pins may have changed the mold flow just enough to cause a stress point. (Big hole where there used to be just a small hole). I know we have some plastics engineers in the group, what say you? Add this stress point with tight packaging, and ooops. And whose to notice, after all, it's behind the rail and doesn't effect the play value of the car (remember, these were TOYS). Of course, nowadays it does effect the collectability! Broken couplers--ah yess, I think we all have some, if we run our trains, or ran our trains as kids. Since I grew up in a no-train-stores-for-200-miles area, AND (as many of you know) I'm CHEAP! I used to carefully straighten the pivot rivet, and replace springs, or knucles by disassembling other broken couplers. Gee, I still do this, but now you can buy new pivot rivets--and knucles too. So, yes, couplers are repairable, and if you don't want to do it, well gee, I could use more parts/rebuilers! You do have to be careful to not split the pivot rivet holes in the main body, as that is easy to do when you're removing the rivet, if it is still flared out a bit. Of course, now that we are older, "we" probably will need magnifiers to do the work. . . . Hope to catch y'all at chat tonite, if I can make it! S' David "two rails" Dewey (That's my signature on the TCA BBS--after all, our trains are better'n those three rail jobbies!) Nyuck Nyuck Nyuck, Wise guy huh? :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37060	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: 24076 PM UP Stock car

Finally got a few minutes to locate my 24076 - no broken plastic behind the door rails on mine. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37061	From: John	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: track questions

John: I too am building a layout, and will be using original AF track and K Line 54" curves both with rubber roadbed and AF switches on one module, then will transistion to S-Trax on another. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@v...> wrote: > > Hi John, > > AF will not run on code 100 > as the deeper wheel flanges will > hit the ties. I have run AF > on code 125 (S Helper Service > makes code 125 rail which is > based on 155 pound rail) and > code 148 (American Models). > These are solid and realistic rail. > Others make larger solid rail > which mate with AF switches. > > If you want to spend time making > a realistic setting with scenery > then code 125 or 148 would be > best. Next are you using AC or > DC for power and do you > want DCC for operation? > All track can handle them. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beebear" <beebear@b...> > To: "S-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:17 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] track questions > > > > If I were to build a track layout using code 100 or 125 rails and run a > > standard, Gilbert, American Flyer train on it what would happen? > > > > I am in the beginning process of designing my layout. I don't know > > if I want to go to all AF track or get the better looking code 100 or 125 > > track. Any thoughts on either one? All arguments welcome ! > > > > John > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37062	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Florida

Hey guys and Gals, Time to get all of Florida friends in our prayers. WEATHER CHANNEL is not painting a pretty picture for the next 24-36 hours for our southern tip friends. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37063	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: Florida

Hey Jim, Thanks for the thought. The last few times I have checked, the eye is supposed to go right over my house after traversing most of the peninsula. We are all buttoned up and it is supposed to be here and gone in record time. I wonder if I could set up a wind-powered generator and run some trains. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WJJIM@... Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:21 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Florida Hey guys and Gals, Time to get all of Florida friends in our prayers. WEATHER CHANNEL is not painting a pretty picture for the next 24-36 hours for our southern tip friends. Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37064	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 23, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37065	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 24076 PM UP Stock car

Thanks to everyone on the S list who looked at their PM 24076 car's and that is great (in a way) that Steve's car is like the two of mine. I guess on the TCA list, there are no collector's of AF. Just kidding. A good friend of mine, who is not on these list, wrote why this might of happen at the factory, if that is the case. I think this might be, since, I have never seen this problem on any other stock, box, reefer car. I can't image why a kid would break this, as you can even see the plastic strip. So, I have two and Steve has one like this and everyone else have the normal car. So, I think Steve and I have a "rare" piece here. LOL Ahh, I will just write something silly for ebay, make it real believable and see what happens. I see the big bucks coming in for these two cars I have. Why I can write that AC, Jr. himself, broke off the plastic, in attend to save the car from being thrown away due to a manufacturing problem, as throwing the whole car away would be an expense to the company, as sales in the 60's where already in the dumper. LOL Should of purchased many Domino Hopper's! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Loveless To: Mike Marmer Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24076 PM UP Stock car Mike, When I start going thru some the my freight cars in the next week or so I will look for this problem. As far as you know this is only on the "UP #24076" stock car body. Off the top of my head this is a thin strip at the bottom of the door opening. At the factory when they injected the dies this area might not have filled in properly and they decided since you can't see this problem and it doesn't affect the operation of the door they fixed the problem and used the body's. Mike, can you tell if this was broken off, trimmed up etc? You have to show me yours one day. On the Northern Pacific Pig Palace stock car( #24077) a lot of the doors would end up missing from one side. This was due to the revised style of door guides Gilbert went to (to cut back on cost) that didn't need the small pins to hold the door guides in place on the body. The metal tab on the door guide that is bent to hold the door guide in place on the body wasn't long enough on one side of this stock car body and you couldn't bend the tab and after a little use of the door the top guide would come off and there goes the door. So if you or anyone is going to buy a NP Pig Palace car look for a repainted door. RALPH On 10/22/05, Boss31@... <Boss31@...> wrote: Mike, I have had my like new 24076 PM car for many years and it is the same as yours. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37066	From: David Girson	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: dc transformer

Hi, Want to power a 334dc Northern. What kind of transformer or volts should I have? Any recommendations for brand. Will it power my whistling billboard which is ac? How would I power the whistle in tender? Thanks much, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37067	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: TCA membership

No, not everyone is a member. You can be a guest at York, but only one time and they keep records. We have had many guest over the years. It is a bit harder now as we used to be next to a door in the purple hall and people would just meet us there. York has always been a closed show for the members for as far as I can remember and they had one building then. My first York was in 1975 or so, I was a guest and joined after that. I know if they opened it up to non members they may have a problem with the PA tax people and everyone may need to have a PA tax number and collect sales tax. Now, only those who are commercial dealers need to have one. Best regards, Don PS I am now in Hong Kong and will go to China tomorrow to see the final production of the 2-8-0. beebear wrote: >All this going on and you HAVE TO BE A TCA member just to get in to the >train show??? >It all sounds like a big scam to me. I wonder if THOSE people were TCA >members? > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37068	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/23/2005
Subject: Re: Florida

I got an email from Barb in Florida, ...she is packing up all of her train stuff and sending it all to me for safe keeping. Ok, I fibbed, but I did get an email from Barb!! She has been busy! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37069	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Fwd: [All Aboard Sets] original American Flyer Pioneer 600 #20811 s

--- James Reilly <jamesoreilly@...> wrote: > To: <allaboardsets@yahoogroups.com> > From: "James Reilly" <jamesoreilly@...> > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:24:11 -0400 > Subject: [All Aboard Sets] original American Flyer > Pioneer 600 #20811 set in Exec. Cond > > I have an original American Flyer Pioneer 600 #20811 > set in Exec. Cond. which was given to my brother for > Christmas in 1966 (?). The original box is tattered, > most of the carboard inserts are gone. There is no > manual. But everything else is there. It has been > kept boxed in our attic since about 1968. It was > only used a few times as we much preferred the 0 > Gauge Lionels. > > I'd like to find someone interested in this for buy > and/or maybe trade for 0, 027, and/or Super 0 items. > > > Do you guys know of any AF forums where I could list > this set for trade or sale? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/6O6tlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allaboardsets/post?act=reply&messageNum=364 > Please do not reply to this message via email. > More information here: > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/messages/messages-23.html > > > allaboardsets-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37070	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: dc transformer

In a message dated 10/23/2005 5:52:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, tobeetwo@... writes: Hi, Want to power a 334dc Northern. What kind of transformer or volts should I have? Any recommendations for brand. Will it power my whistling billboard which is ac? How would I power the whistle in tender? Thanks much, David David, If you want a powerful DC transformer, get an MRC 6200. It has an AC output for accessories too. I think You should use separate AC transformer to power your accessories. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37071	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: CAN MOTORS FOR SALE

I have 9 can motors mfg. by SnS. 2 are the slower geared type while 7 are the faster. I'll take $210.00 for the 9 of them. They are brand new & you can run them on straight DC or contact Steve at SnS for the Dalle AC Conversion part. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST. Mike Of course I would take a nice 343 in trade ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37072	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: dc transformer

I woulod try a transformer for LGB or a large power pack for HO. Most have AC and DC. Tom -----Original Message----- From: David Girson <tobeetwo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:30:21 -0000 Subject: [S-Trains] dc transformer Hi, Want to power a 334dc Northern. What kind of transformer or volts should I have? Any recommendations for brand. Will it power my whistling billboard which is ac? How would I power the whistle in tender? Thanks much, David S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37073	From: glshultzsr	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: AF B&O MIKADO STEAM PASSENGER SET FOR SALE W/2 PAK

Greetings, HAVE ONE #49612 B&O MIKADO STEAM PASSENGER SET MINT CONDITION IN ORIGINAL BOXES FOR SALE. INCLUDES ADDITIONAL 2/PAK PASS CARS. $1095.00 PLUS SHIPPING. CONTACT BY E-MAIL GLSHULTZSR@... OR BY PHONE 419-435-3327. Gerald L Shultz Sr. TCA 72-4915 Fostoria, Ohio 44830

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37074	From: glshultzsr	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: ANY LIONEL 48036 NYC MIKADOS FOR SALE?

Hi, Any NYC Mikados out there for sale? If so, How much and condition. Thanks, Contact me at glshultzsr@... G. L. Shultz Sr. TCA 72-4915

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37075	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Train question

At York I picked up a nice Silver Streak set in boxes...... when packing it up and stuffing tissue paper in the boxes to protect the couplers I noticed the combo car..... the end that has the Baggage doors, right above the coupler is rippeled up..... like heat had done it...... about 1/8"..... but the chrome is perferct.... maybe when it left the mold it was still hot and touched something? Second question.... on the UP stock car I got..... It is nice but the letters on one side are red.... the other side white.... I think this was caused by someone trying to clean it..... as the yellow and silver are not faded on the white side ..... what's your suggestion as to the cause...... still a good runner..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37076	From: sgilmore467	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: automatic switches

I am looking for a couple of right-hand AF automatic switches in at least fair condition. Any leads? I know I missed my chance at York. Don't tell me so and make me feel worse. Ha.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37077	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: York Report - Getting items around... it was a very GOOD year..

RCESpeak, I forgot to ask you on the chat: Did you ship your items back home or take them on the plane... I was just wondering because I seem to recall that last year you took them on the plane and said it was a hassle... Hope it went better this year... I hope the scotch was a very good year and saw you and the cat through it all with Wilma... Regards, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RCESpeak Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:48 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] York Report Hi All, I have been forced to return from my trip to York and my high school reunion three days early due to hurricane Wilma. Nasty little things these hurricanes! They look so small on the weather map and so large when they are barreling toward your train room door. York was as awesome as always. Although I bought only one piece of rolling stock, the Borden's car, and no engines (although I was tempted), I did manage to pick up a number of nifty items for the layout including my first pair of operational traffic lights in S from Berkshire Junction. The unexpected and really cool purchase was an original wooden crate from the A.C. Gilbert factory that was used for storing engines and rolling stock. It is just so cool and will be used for the same purpose in my train room. The two highlights of the trip, as has always been the case, are the Gilbert Get Together and the meeting of members of this list. I learn so much at the Get Together and am always amazed at the rare finds presented. After training all day, it is a delightful experience to dine with S-list members, talk about our hobby and purchases and laugh ourselves silly. We did have great fun even if the weather was not kind. So now, I am wrapping each engine, piece of rolling stock and all operational accessories and storing them in plastic totes in preparation for Wilma. Let's hope Wilma does not increase in intensity as she turns East. As far as preparations for the new tropical depression, Alpha, in the Atlantic, for this one I think I'll just drink scotch. Best Wishes.... Barb S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37078	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: couplers - The ultimate why?

Louis, Whole complete replicable knuckle couplers are so cheap - are they worth fixing? Just a thought.... Regards, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of louis glumac Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] couplers hi,has anyone ever fixed knuckle couplers? i keep changing them and have a pile of broken ones. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37079	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Mikardo

Questions on the Mikado using TMCC: Can you turn off the cab light? When the smoke unit is on, does it smoke continuously or only while the loco is moving? Does the voltage to the smoke unit vary with speed/load? Is there a "smoke boost" button? The instructions talked about a "loco specific" overlay. There didn't seem to be one in the box. Should there be? Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37080	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: couplers - The ultimate why?

In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:48:59 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, scottdee25@... writes: Louis, Whole complete replicable knuckle couplers are so cheap - are they worth fixing? Just a thought.... Regards, Scott Dee Certainly not for me, Scott. I just happen to have bought a whole bunch of NOS Gilbert couplers of all kinds. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37081	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: automatic switches

i WON'T TELL YOU WHICH GOY AT THE bEST wESTERN WHO HAD ONLY RIGHTS...... 5.00 EACH...... BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "sgilmore467" <sgilmore467@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] automatic switches >I am looking for a couple of right-hand AF automatic switches in at > least fair condition. Any leads? I know I missed my chance at York. > Don't tell me so and make me feel worse. Ha. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37082	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Lionel question

Sorry that this is not a "S" question, but in a recent purchase I made was included a very old Lionel Box car number 1679 with a "Baby Ruth" logo. It is yellow with orange doors and a green roof. It is tinplate with a weird coupler that pre-dates knuckle couplers. If any one of you know anything about this car will you please write me off list. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37083	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: Mikardo

I just got my TMCC controller at York. My B&O Mikado does permit you to turn the headlight off and on, and the smoke unit off and on. The smoker is either on or off as far as I can see. The smoke does not vary with speed at all. This TMCC thing is a whole new kettle of fish! I don't think I would want a smoke boost button, as it drives you out of the room now. LOL I am using the Anormal smoke fluid. I have heard other fluids do not work as well, but have not tried them; just used what I had... "loco specific overlay"? I missed that one... On Oct 24, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Bill Clark wrote: > Questions on the Mikado using TMCC: > > Can you turn off the cab light? > When the smoke unit is on, does it smoke continuously or only while > the > loco is moving? Does the voltage to the smoke unit vary with speed/ > load? Is > there a "smoke boost" button? > The instructions talked about a "loco specific" overlay. There > didn't seem > to be one in the box. Should there be? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37084	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

Bill, The overlay for the Cab-1 should be in a small sealed plastic bag which also contains extra replacement traction tires and two replacement bulbs. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/24/2005 1:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, billclark42@... writes: The instructions talked about a "loco specific" overlay. There didn't seem to be one in the box. Should there be? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37085	From: David Avedesian	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Modifying American Flyer switch controllers

Mike: I have made the change to my AF switches that you speak of for a different reason. I use a very large capacitor discharge system for firing my AF switches. It works like a charm. However, I had to separate the lighting circuit from the switch circuit. If I left the lights on the circuit, the CD unit would not recharge. Therefore, I ran a separate yellow wire around my layout which was connected to a separate power supply. I then connected a yellow wire from the AF switch post to the loop of 'under the layout yellow wire'. You can use the same black base wiring for both the AF switches and the lights. Think of the black wire as a common base wire for both circuits. Because the lights are powered from a separate power supply, you can adjust the voltage to any desired voltage. I was able to vary the voltage to 12v. Whether you use 14v or 18v bulbs, you can adjust the bulbs so that they will last forever. A bulb adjusted by a 10% voltage will enhance the bulb life beyond anytime that matters to us. A 14v is best with 12v and an 18v bulb will be best with 16v. I still wanted to be able to see the red/green markers. If you vary the voltage too low the lamp becomes too 'yellow' in color. For bulbs, they do not care if they are powered by Vac (AF transformer) or Vdc (power packs). I use the cheapest, under the table AF transformers to power up my lights. If I add to many other (street and building) lights and the transformer is becoming over loaded, I simple wire another AF transformer in parallel (base to base and vary voltage to vary voltage). This approach will double my load with out changing the voltage. Again I have been very happy with the simplicity of the system If you would like more information, please feel free to call or em me. David Avedesian Silver Spring, MD Baltimore Area American Flyer Club 301 938 1811 cell, 301 929 9000 home [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37086	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado

It is a removable, transparent piece of plastic that rests on top of the TMCC control unit. There is one lettered for steam, diesel, and I believe for electric and turbine. Idea being that when a particular button is pushed, the operator makes the appropriate action and/or sound occur. Whistle for steam, horn for diesel, for example. The little piece of plastic is easy to overlook and lose. Ask me how I know... :) Roy > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:49:26 -0400 (EDT) > To: billclark42@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mikado > > Bill, > > The overlay for the Cab-1 should be in a small sealed plastic bag which also > contains extra replacement traction tires and two replacement bulbs. > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 10/24/2005 1:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > billclark42@... writes: > The instructions talked about a "loco specific" overlay. There didn't seem to > be one in the box. Should there be? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37087	From: velapoldi	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Tehachapi Loop

Hi All: Just a note and surprised that there isn't more about Sunday on the list today. On Sunday, while visiting my daughter and son-in-law in Lancaster, CA, we decided to visit the Tehachapi Loop. (We had gone to the Edwards AFB airshow on Sat, and were there to hear my daughter sing the National Anthem to open the shows on Sat and Sun). Well, when we got to the Loop, I heard from a few people there that AMTRAK was running the first passenger train over the Loop in something like 31 years. We waited an hour and a half, saw one freight going down, one going up, one came down and stopped on the Loop siding, and then the long awaited passenger train came up the Loop from Bakersfield. It had about 20 "double decker" passenger cars with railfans, with a private 'regular' amtrak observation car with a platforn on the end. The president of Amtrak was on it, undoubtedly one of the people on the special private car platform who were waving to the railfan gawkers!! Another 'growler' freight went up after the passenger train, and then the freight on the siding came down. Great fun, lots of pictures - anyone interested in a few when (if) I finally get the 350 total pics downloaded from the camera? What is the probability that a person would travel from Norway, go to his son's wedding on the East Coast, two air shows on the West Coast ( Chuck Yeager flew a P-51 mustang - he is ~82 years old), and decide to visit the Loop and see such an historic moment in railroad history??? Were any of you there on Sunday? I saw one person with a somewhat loud shirt and thought of David D! regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37088	From: glshultzsr	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

Greetings, Ordered my #48039 Docksider B&O 1-27-05 from Charles Ro Supply Co. along with Santa Fe 2/pak. Recd.verification of order and confirmation by mail. Recd. the SF 2/pak March 3, 2005. Requested status of B&O Docksider 10-23-05 and recd answer from Tom in customer service that they are sold out. Would give no other reason for not filling my pre-order dated 1-27-05 except sold out. The Docksider price agreed on the early buy was $86.95 and being the second item on the same order shipping for the engine would have been free. I thought I had a docksider and a good price but instead I get a "SORRY SOLD OUT" from the so called customer service dept. I wonder who got my engine and at what price. Oh well, after 35 years of trains collecting I am still learning. Is anyone else having this trouble with the mail order houses not filling pre-order purchases? Gerald L Shultz Sr. TCA 72-4915

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37089	From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Tree Armatures

Happened to run across this today. Thought some of you might find it helpful/interesting. Nice trees. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff Western Division VP-NASG http://www.upickers.com/knarly/knarly.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37090	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

Yes I did...... Ro has always filled my orders..... Island Trains is another matter...... I contacted them about my B & O pass set to change my credit card number....... they said it was noted....... when it didn't arrive I contacted them...... they said my card was rejected so they sold to another.......Exp date problem.......All they had to do was look at their note or simply contact me..... Bob..... BTW.... Got both Docksiders... ----- Original Message ----- From: "glshultzsr" <glshultzsr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES > Greetings, > > Ordered my #48039 Docksider B&O 1-27-05 from Charles Ro Supply Co. > along with Santa Fe 2/pak. Recd.verification of order and > confirmation by mail. > > Recd. the SF 2/pak March 3, 2005. > > Requested status of B&O Docksider 10-23-05 and recd answer > from Tom in customer service that they are sold out. Would > give no other reason for not filling my pre-order dated 1-27-05 > except sold out. > > The Docksider price agreed on the early buy was $86.95 and > being the second item on the same order shipping for the > engine would have been free. > > I thought I had a docksider and a good price but instead I get > a "SORRY SOLD OUT" from the so called customer service dept. > I wonder who got my engine and at what price. Oh well, after > 35 years of trains collecting I am still learning. > > Is anyone else having this trouble with the mail order houses > not filling pre-order purchases? > > > Gerald L Shultz Sr. > TCA 72-4915 > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37091	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Fw: MRC 6200

This is all the info that the contact for Model Rectifier sent me. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Rail Road Support To: gartrain@... Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: dc and ac the 6200 is strictly a dc powerpack none of our packs are a dual ac and dc variable output they are either one or the other as far as the 6200 not being on the website i can't tell you, i have no control over that [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37092	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

Sorry you had that experience. I have never had a problem with Doug Peck of Portlines Hobbies. In my experience, he has always done exactly what he said he would when he said he would. I have had spotty service from some others in years past. I suppose it is just me, but I personally would rather pay a few dollars more, if need be, and have my order handled professionally-and since I went to the trouble of working it into the every-shrinking budget in the first place, would appreciate getting it at the outcome. I am not saying that Portlines is high. Not at all. It is just that I no longer cruise the fine print ads of the big mail order houses looking to shave that last dollar from my invoice, and not because I am not a tightwad; I am. But for me, price is not the only consideration. Roy Inman > From: glshultzsr <glshultzsr@...> > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:53:39 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES > > Greetings, > > Ordered my #48039 Docksider B&O 1-27-05 from Charles Ro Supply Co. > along with Santa Fe 2/pak. Recd.verification of order and > confirmation by mail. > > Recd. the SF 2/pak March 3, 2005. > > Requested status of B&O Docksider 10-23-05 and recd answer > from Tom in customer service that they are sold out. Would > give no other reason for not filling my pre-order dated 1-27-05 > except sold out. > > The Docksider price agreed on the early buy was $86.95 and > being the second item on the same order shipping for the > engine would have been free. > > I thought I had a docksider and a good price but instead I get > a "SORRY SOLD OUT" from the so called customer service dept. > I wonder who got my engine and at what price. Oh well, after > 35 years of trains collecting I am still learning. > > Is anyone else having this trouble with the mail order houses > not filling pre-order purchases? > > > Gerald L Shultz Sr. > TCA 72-4915 > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37093	From: trainman634	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains

If I replace the motors in my A.F. steam engines with DC motors, which MRC DC powerpack would have the most power to operate the steam engines well?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37094	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Tehachapi Loop

Hi Rance, Sounds like you had a great trip! I didn't know about the "first passenger train in 31 years" .....I would have liked to have been there. The "Loop" is one of my favorite spots my young daughter and I like to visit. I'm just over two hours from there. And it's always a pleasure to see Doug and Sheryl at the train store in Tehachapi, super nice folks! I'd like to see some "Loop" photos that you have. My daughter at the Loop in '02: http://s-scale.org/albums/albun41/Tehachapi_Loop_Crazed_Savanah_on_tailgate_02 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37095	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Fw: MRC 6200

Glenn, The MRC 6200 is a DC variable with a fixed 18 v AC for accessories. I have one in front of me Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37096	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

In a message dated 10/25/2005 11:10:40 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: Sorry you had that experience. I have never had a problem with Doug Peck of Portlines Hobbies. In my experience, he has always done exactly what he said he would when he said he would. I have had spotty service from some others in years past. I suppose it is just me, but I personally would rather pay a few dollars more, if need be, and have my order handled professionally-and since I went to the trouble of working it into the every-shrinking budget in the first place, would appreciate getting it at the outcome. I am not saying that Portlines is high. Not at all. It is just that I no longer cruise the fine print ads of the big mail order houses looking to shave that last dollar from my invoice, and not because I am not a tightwad; I am. But for me, price is not the only consideration. Roy Inman I'll second that one, friends..... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37097	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

I will also second that. Doug is great to work with! Gene -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:41 PM To: rinphoto@...; glshultzsr@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES In a message dated 10/25/2005 11:10:40 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: Sorry you had that experience. I have never had a problem with Doug Peck of Portlines Hobbies. In my experience, he has always done exactly what he said he would when he said he would. I have had spotty service from some others in years past. I suppose it is just me, but I personally would rather pay a few dollars more, if need be, and have my order handled professionally-and since I went to the trouble of working it into the every-shrinking budget in the first place, would appreciate getting it at the outcome. I am not saying that Portlines is high. Not at all. It is just that I no longer cruise the fine print ads of the big mail order houses looking to shave that last dollar from my invoice, and not because I am not a tightwad; I am. But for me, price is not the only consideration. Roy Inman I'll second that one, friends..... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37098	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains

Your best bet is a Flyer transformer with rectified output. Use a radio shack bridge rectifier to handle about 6 amps, a Radio Shack DPDT switch for reversing, and mount them in a Radio Shack project box. If you need a diagram there may be one on the web or I could send you one. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes4260@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains > If I replace the motors in my A.F. steam engines with DC motors, which > MRC DC powerpack would have the most power to operate the steam > engines well? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37099	From: Dave Highfield	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains

At the test tracks at York, I saw silver boxes with a switch that gave the tester a choice of AC or DC. How can I make one of those and hook it to my AF transformer? Is this what you are talking about with the Radio Shack gizmo? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "trainman634" <wes4260@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains > Your best bet is a Flyer transformer with rectified output. Use a radio > shack bridge rectifier to handle about 6 amps, a Radio Shack DPDT switch > for > reversing, and mount them in a Radio Shack project box. If you need a > diagram there may be one on the web or I could send you one. > > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "trainman634" <wes4260@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:21 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains > > >> If I replace the motors in my A.F. steam engines with DC motors, which >> MRC DC powerpack would have the most power to operate the steam >> engines well? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37100	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Help with Am Flyer loco

The message below was forwarded to me and I hereby forward it to this list. If anyone wants to help Mr Dewes, please respond directly to him. His e-mail address in in the message. I suspect he lives in the Indianapolis area. Tom Hawley - Lansing MI From: "EDWARD DEWES" <EDCYNDEWES@...> To: "Charles Malinowski" <bmry1905@...> Subject: Am Flyer loco Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:23:30 -0400 Charles: I see by the Rusty Spike that you are an S gage person. I have an American Flyer Pacific Loco,1950s vintage, with a bad motor. I would like to fix it for my Grandson. Do you know any one who repairs Am. Flyer? Would any attend your Meet on the 5th of Nov? Hope you can help me. Thanks Ed Dewes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37101	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: BARB

Anyone heard from her..... no answer on her cell phone..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37102	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains

Go to Paul's Yorke's web site & go to Dougs link for Porlines under parts. He has a couple of MRC listed there. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37103	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: BARB

She sent me a text message....all is well, but has a BIG mess!! Rick. Anyone heard from her..... no answer on her cell phone..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37104	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: My DC ERROR

My Error the ones on Portlines site are AC But being a MRC dealer he may be able to answer your question. Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37105	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re;MRC DC power pack for AF trains

Most of you know I am a confirmed believer in DC power for operating S gauge trains. It so happens that I have an MRC 6200 that I originally bought for running G scale when I was into that. This is a big pack and runs my DC motored Flyer steamers on either setting. I also have an old MRC 1400 pack, which is a basic HO pack. It too runs my Flyer steamers. To go down the food chain farther, I'm currently using a Bachmann HO train set pack on my new 4x6' S gauge layout. Again, no problem. Let me state that I run one loco at a time. If you plan on double heading or running several engines with DCC, you'll need more power. The 6200 would be a minimum, but many DCC power units put out much more power than your average DC pack. All but the absolute cheapest N or HO packs have a fixed AC output for accessories. By the way MRC puts out an AC pack as well as DC packs. MRC quality is top notch and they have a five year warranty. Stumpy Stone...playing with trains for fifty years...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37106	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re;Trains from Mail Order Houses

I've had excellent mail order service in S gauge from Doug Peck at Portlines, Steve at SnS Trains, and Terry at Putt Trains in the past year. I also have dealt with Micro Mark for the past year with excellent service. My bad experiances with mail order include both Charles Ro and TrainWorld/TrainLand some years ago. TrainWorld/TrainLand were especially disappointing. Overall, some of the best service over the years has been from very small outfits. Stumpy Stone...isolated in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37107	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Tehachapi Loop

Your passenger train ride over the Tehachapi Loop is something to write home about and write your buddies in S-Gauge about. Thanks for writing. ====================================================== A point I would like to make is that this is not the first passenger train over the loop in 31 years, but it may have been Amtrak's first train over the loop in that many years. In 1984 I road the World's Fair Daylight train with ex-Southern Pacific Steam Locomotive 4449 pulling the train, assisted by a couple of diesels. And there have been some others. But even if a passenger train went over the loop everyday, it would be pretty special. In fact with all those tunnels and twisting curves and the mountain scenery, it would be a pretty special trip even without the loop itself. - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37108	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains

Attached is a scan of a simple rectifier circuit to produce DC from a Flyer transformer. It is possible to mount another DPDT switch to change between AC & DC. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "trainman634" <wes4260@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains > Your best bet is a Flyer transformer with rectified output. Use a radio > shack bridge rectifier to handle about 6 amps, a Radio Shack DPDT switch for > reversing, and mount them in a Radio Shack project box. If you need a > diagram there may be one on the web or I could send you one. > > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "trainman634" <wes4260@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:21 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] MRC DC Power Pack for A.F. Trains > > > > If I replace the motors in my A.F. steam engines with DC motors, which > > MRC DC powerpack would have the most power to operate the steam > > engines well? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37109	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/25/2005
Subject: Re: Help with Am Flyer loco

If he is talking the Orlando meet on the 5th..... Vic will be there.... does repairs..... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help with Am Flyer loco > The message below was forwarded to me and I hereby forward it to this > list. If anyone wants to help Mr Dewes, please respond directly to him. > His e-mail address in in the message. I suspect he lives in the > Indianapolis area. Tom Hawley - Lansing MI > > From: "EDWARD DEWES" <EDCYNDEWES@...> > To: "Charles Malinowski" <bmry1905@...> > Subject: Am Flyer loco > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:23:30 -0400 > > > Charles: I see by the Rusty Spike that you are an S gage person. I have > an American Flyer Pacific Loco,1950s vintage, with a bad motor. I would > like to fix it for my Grandson. Do you know any one who repairs Am. Flyer? > Would any attend your Meet on the 5th of Nov? Hope you can help me. Thanks > Ed Dewes > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37110	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: couplers - The ultimate why?

When I repaired them, repros were not available. The internet was not invented, and the only availble parts sales were at train shows. Twenty years ago Tom -----Original Message----- From: Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> To: 'louis glumac' <lglumac@...> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:44:34 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] couplers - The ultimate why? Louis, Whole complete replicable knuckle couplers are so cheap - are they worth fixing? Just a thought.... Regards, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of louis glumac Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] couplers hi,has anyone ever fixed knuckle couplers? i keep changing them and have a pile of broken ones. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37111	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

I'm a creature of habit. When I lived in Connecticut, I used CharlesRo. Then I got a chance to visit their store. What a surprise. In 1989 they were a Lionel dealership. They carried AF only because it was made by Lionel but they definitely looked down on AF. (They had a small case of AF in a rear, dark corner.) I left with some parts and a bad feeling. Later that year Lionel offered a UP passenger train. I wanted to purchase the passenger cars without the PAs. I didn't realize it came in one big box. (Many of the earlier 'sets' came as pieces without a common box.) The people at CharlesRo actually laughed at me when I tried to order passenger cars only. When I hung up I was quite upset. An order for American Models UP Smoothliners went out a week later and I never looked back. That Christmas I sent my first Flyonel order to Ron Leventon. I have been getting parts from Ron for decades. (Have you noticed how many 'Rons' and 'Dons' S Scale is blessed with?) Leventon Hobby Supply offers a nice discount on early orders but, like Doug Peck, they are not the cheapest. But I ALWAYS get what I order. Plus, Ron keeps my credit card on file so I can just order. Once my card was threatening to expire and Ron called for an updated number. Ron hasn't entered the internet age the way Doug Peck has. I am a creature of habit so I will continue to use Ron and the US Mail. But I now like to order my trains by e-mail. Jan Leventon checks their e-mail a few times a week. If I switch, it will be to Doug, Joe, or Ed Stezenbach -- people I trust to deliver the goods. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37112	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: (no subject)

I will be in Manassas, Virginia on Thurs. night and Friday till noon. I will be in McLean, Va., Friday afternoon until Sunday afternoon. Anyone know of good stores and/or layouts in those areas I can see? Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37113	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: DC Power Packs

Might I suggest that you look at the MRC Control Master 20? It is a pwm controller. It uses a tethered handheld controller and has a memory for walk around. The plug is a standard four wire modular telephone jack. The pack has about an 8 amp output with 12 or 18 volt variable dc (select with switch) and fixed 18 volt ac outputs. It also has terminals to connect user supplied volt and amp meters. Also included are momentum and braking if desired. This pack will surprise you with the low speed performance and control of standard flyer motors. The performance and control of can motors is outstanding. I use these units for controlling trains and use the flyer transformers for controlling lights and accessories. My primary operational interest is slow speed switching. Try to find one at your LHS and experience a demo. Enjoy and have fun! Lynn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37114	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

I too am a creature of habit having delt with ro since 83...... Don has my card on record and I get quite a lot from them too.... At York I had them update my card...... I only ordered from IT because someone suggested it..... wish I hadn't now...... won't again.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES > I'm a creature of habit. When I lived in Connecticut, I used CharlesRo. > Then I got a chance to visit their store. What a surprise. In 1989 > they were a Lionel dealership. They carried AF only because it was made > by Lionel but they definitely looked down on AF. (They had a small case > of AF in a rear, dark corner.) I left with some parts and a bad > feeling. > Later that year Lionel offered a UP passenger train. I wanted > to purchase the passenger cars without the PAs. I didn't realize it > came in one big box. (Many of the earlier 'sets' came as pieces without > a common box.) The people at CharlesRo actually laughed at me when I > tried to order passenger cars only. When I hung up I was quite upset. > An order for American Models UP Smoothliners went out a week later and I > never looked back. > That Christmas I sent my first Flyonel order to Ron Leventon. I > have been getting parts from Ron for decades. (Have you noticed how > many 'Rons' and 'Dons' S Scale is blessed with?) Leventon Hobby Supply > offers a nice discount on early orders but, like Doug Peck, they are not > the cheapest. But I ALWAYS get what I order. > Plus, Ron keeps my credit card on file so I can just order. > Once my card was threatening to expire and Ron called for an updated > number. > Ron hasn't entered the internet age the way Doug Peck has. I am > a creature of habit so I will continue to use Ron and the US Mail. But > I now like to order my trains by e-mail. Jan Leventon checks their > e-mail a few times a week. If I switch, it will be to Doug, Joe, or Ed > Stezenbach -- people I trust to deliver the goods. > > Thorin > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37115	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

> Yes I did...... Ro has always filled my orders..... Island Trains is another > matter...... I contacted them about my B & O pass set to change my credit > card number....... they said it was noted....... when it didn't arrive I > contacted them...... they said my card was rejected so they sold to > another.......Exp date problem.......All they had to do was look at their > note or simply contact me..... Bob..... BTW.... Got both Docksiders... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "glshultzsr" <glshultzsr@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:53 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES > > > > Greetings, > > > > Ordered my #48039 Docksider B&O 1-27-05 from Charles Ro Supply Co. > > along with Santa Fe 2/pak. Recd.verification of order and > > confirmation by mail. > > > > Recd. the SF 2/pak March 3, 2005. > > > > Requested status of B&O Docksider 10-23-05 and recd answer > > from Tom in customer service that they are sold out. Would > > give no other reason for not filling my pre-order dated 1-27-05 > > except sold out. > > > > The Docksider price agreed on the early buy was $86.95 and > > being the second item on the same order shipping for the > > engine would have been free. > > > > I thought I had a docksider and a good price but instead I get > > a "SORRY SOLD OUT" from the so called customer service dept. > > I wonder who got my engine and at what price. Oh well, after > > 35 years of trains collecting I am still learning. > > > > Is anyone else having this trouble with the mail order houses > > not filling pre-order purchases? > > > > > > Gerald L Shultz Sr. > > TCA 72-4915

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37116	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: DC Power Packs

In a message dated 10/26/2005 8:25:57 AM Central Daylight Time, lynnshouse2000@... writes: Might I suggest that you look at the MRC Control Master 20? It is a pwm controller. It uses a tethered handheld controller and has a memory for walk around. ====================================================== I have been very satisfied with the DC power packs available from S Helper Service. They do not have the handheld controller and memory for walk around. But it does have the momentum feature. How does it compare with the MRC line for someone who has a small to medium layout with only a few locos to be run at one time? - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37117	From: wintermutedm	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

I also have had great service from Ron Leventon, Triple S supplies, Marty's Trains, Mark at American Flyer trains (though I haven't had the opportunity to buy anything from him yet), and Doug at Portlines. I give Doug extra points for "super" customer service. I called him asking about the wiring diagram for the 583 crane and, after working through some technical issues, he simply faxed me a copy! Because of the extra effort he gave, the next time I need anything, my first stop will be his virtual store. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > > I'm a creature of habit. When I lived in Connecticut, I used CharlesRo. > Then I got a chance to visit their store. What a surprise. In 1989 > they were a Lionel dealership. They carried AF only because it was made > by Lionel but they definitely looked down on AF. (They had a small case > of AF in a rear, dark corner.) I left with some parts and a bad > feeling. > Later that year Lionel offered a UP passenger train. I wanted > to purchase the passenger cars without the PAs. I didn't realize it > came in one big box. (Many of the earlier 'sets' came as pieces without > a common box.) The people at CharlesRo actually laughed at me when I > tried to order passenger cars only. When I hung up I was quite upset. > An order for American Models UP Smoothliners went out a week later and I > never looked back. > That Christmas I sent my first Flyonel order to Ron Leventon. I > have been getting parts from Ron for decades. (Have you noticed how > many 'Rons' and 'Dons' S Scale is blessed with?) Leventon Hobby Supply > offers a nice discount on early orders but, like Doug Peck, they are not > the cheapest. But I ALWAYS get what I order. > Plus, Ron keeps my credit card on file so I can just order. > Once my card was threatening to expire and Ron called for an updated > number. > Ron hasn't entered the internet age the way Doug Peck has. I am > a creature of habit so I will continue to use Ron and the US Mail. But > I now like to order my trains by e-mail. Jan Leventon checks their > e-mail a few times a week. If I switch, it will be to Doug, Joe, or Ed > Stezenbach -- people I trust to deliver the goods. > > Thorin >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37118	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: Ordering Trains

Well I have been around a long time and over the past how many years I have ordered many items over the phone or via the internet. Some of my favorite places are with Kirk from Justrains. Henry with Island Trains as he has never failed me yet, always get a confirmation number on your order, my Docksider came in and I got it without any problems, now that I am on the RIGHT rail now with S gauge, I like dealing direct with Don and Robin and S Helper, Joe Haenn at Joes Train Repair and the fine folk at American Models. Great to deal with Mark Preman in Orlando also. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37119	From: fnmichong	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: FOR SALE: Flyonel Pennsylvania PA engines

I'm selling a set of Flyonel Pennsylvania PA engines from the 6-49614 Pennsylvania PA passenger set. Engines are NIB. Please contact me off list. Thanks F. Chong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37120	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: Modifying American Flyer switch controllers - Bulbs do care a l

Mike, Mike wrote: For bulbs, they do not care if they are powered by Vac (AF transformer) or Vdc (power packs). I use the cheapest, under the table AF transformers to power up my lights. Bulbs have feeling too.... :>).....There is a small difference.... bulbs powered by DC will last longer than when powered by AC... Maybe Tom Edison was right when he wanted transmission and house hold electricity to be DC... Keep on training.... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37121	From: Phil K	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

Please add my name to the list of those giving a huge "thumbs-up" to Doug Peck of Portlines Hobbies. Not only have I always received A+ service on purchases, but Doug's always been kind enough to answer questions, whether they're directly tied to a purchase or not. He also backs up what he sells if there's a problem. I will never order again from Internet Trains. Four years ago, when I was frantically trying to get track laid on my new layout so I could run [show off] trains for my guests at an upcoming house party, they accepted my order for 20 rolls of Instant Roadbed. No one else at about a dozen local stores and online merchants I checked with had it in stock, and told me so. Apparently it is manufactured by a very small, family-owned company, and they got behind on production. So I was thrilled to finally find some. I used the telephone to place the order with Internet Trains and the service rep said yes, she checked and it was in stock and 20 rolls would be sent out the very next day. I had told her I was desperate to get my hands on the roadbed as soon as possible. Ten days later, when the order had still not arrived, I called them back. Someone else there told me the stuff was not in stock and was on back order and that I'd have it maybe within 3-4 weeks at the earliest. You'd think they'd follow up their order confirmation email (that indicated it was in stock) with another one saying it was not in stock. I was not a happy camper, as my party was now in three days. I was able to find at a local hobby shop an acceptable substitute (2-inches wide) made for HO and stayed up all night for two days to get enough track for three loops laid for the party. The head guy at Internet Trains was nice enough to send an email apology, then call personally to apologize again. But apologies didn't speed up my track getting laid -- I had already wasted 10 days waiting. Plus, they don't sell a lot of anything in S. Lesson learned. Never again. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > Sorry you had that experience. > I have never had a problem with Doug Peck of Portlines Hobbies. > In my experience, he has always done exactly what he said he would when he > said he would. I have had spotty service from some others in years past. I > suppose it is just me, but I personally would rather pay a few dollars more, > if need be, and have my order handled professionally-and since I went to the > trouble of working it into the every-shrinking budget in the first place, > would appreciate getting it at the outcome. I am not saying that Portlines > is high. Not at all. It is just that I no longer cruise the fine print ads > of the big mail order houses looking to shave that last dollar from my > invoice, and not because I am not a tightwad; I am. But for me, price is not > the only consideration. > Roy Inman > > > From: glshultzsr <glshultzsr@y...> > > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:53:39 +0000 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES > > > > Greetings, > > > > Ordered my #48039 Docksider B&O 1-27-05 from Charles Ro Supply Co. > > along with Santa Fe 2/pak. Recd.verification of order and > > confirmation by mail. > > > > Recd. the SF 2/pak March 3, 2005. > > > > Requested status of B&O Docksider 10-23-05 and recd answer > > from Tom in customer service that they are sold out. Would > > give no other reason for not filling my pre-order dated 1-27-05 > > except sold out. > > > > The Docksider price agreed on the early buy was $86.95 and > > being the second item on the same order shipping for the > > engine would have been free. > > > > I thought I had a docksider and a good price but instead I get > > a "SORRY SOLD OUT" from the so called customer service dept. > > I wonder who got my engine and at what price. Oh well, after > > 35 years of trains collecting I am still learning. > > > > Is anyone else having this trouble with the mail order houses > > not filling pre-order purchases? > > > > > > Gerald L Shultz Sr. > > TCA 72-4915 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37122	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Third Firehouse Finally Done.,News Advert

Hi Gang, We finally have the third version of the Firehouse on the web. It will go great with the Back Alley series. These will start shipping as soon as we get cought up with the first lot of the other two versions. Probably another week. Brother...Producing one kit can be quite a job, but three at a time has been a hand full. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/602firehouse.htm Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37123	From: trainman634	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: SnS Cam Motors

How many amps does a SnS cam motor draw when used in a American Flyer steam engine?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37124	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2005
Subject: Re: SnS Cam Motors

Under light load about 1/4 amp. Up to 1/2 amp under a big load. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37125	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: TRAINS BY MAIL ORDER HOUSES

10/27/2005 A couple of general comments.... a) First, I do appreciate the nice compliments which several of you posted about our business and service. I work 50-60 hours a week at this, alone for the most part, and TRY to provide good service and assistance to all.....beginner or otherwise. It is nice to have that recognized. b) Docksiders, as everyone knows are in short supply, and that was predictable. Initial orders were very high, based on desirability and price, I'm sure. The same has been true in the past for certain items.....two Xmas cars; NYC pass. sets; ATSF pass. sets........and it will undoubtedly be true again in the future. I fully expect the new Northerns to be in this category. Keep in mind, though, that the Docksiders will undoubtedly re-appear in the 2006 catalog, although probably with different road names. c) Pricing.....we know we cannot compete with some of the "biggees", especially those who buy direct from the factory (the distributor/retailers), but we try to compete as best we can. The key thing for us, I think, is that "we deliver".....only once in the last 15 years have we not received our full order of items (that was a WAY-underproduced Xmas car). I guess I should knock-on-wood, but I think it is an important consideration. d) And finally, a comment about parts dealers in general....there are not a lot of us in the AF parts business, but to a great extent, we are a "fraternity".....we get along with each other very well, and help each other out with needs. I suspect that is not the case in "O" . With rare exceptions (i.e, oversights and mistakes!) , we do not produce items that another of us is already producing.....there's no point to that, and it simply wastes resources (try obtaining a price-quote for a new plastic injection part, or for a stamped metal or machined part, and get ready for EXTREME sticker-shock!! After doing so, I don't think you'll ever balk again at why "this little piece of plastic" costs two or three dollars! ). I think almost all of us buy-&-sell our parts, in quantity, to each other, making such duplication of production unnecessary. So kudos to all....Ron, Fred, and Joe in particular; they're all great guys to work with and know. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37126	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Greenberg books for sale

To all: I have some Greenberg hardback books for sale. I purchased them a year ago from a shop as new books and these are actually duplicates. The are all technically new books, but I will downgrade them to E++ / LN just in case someone disagrees. http://www.richardiii.net/Books.htm The only book that does have a flaw is the '46-'56 cat book. For some reason it has pages 21-30 where the paper has a small verticle crease of about 3" close to the spine of the book. Email me from the web page if you are interested Regards, Neil

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37127	From: Phil K	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: SnS Cam Motors

Steve's right on with the numbers. For a recent train show, I dropped one of his can motor kits and a Dallee electronic reverse unit into a Gilbert Northern that has been converted into N&W J Class 611. Pulled seven AM Budd passenger cars for over two hours non-stop on our club's modular layout -- set up to be about a 80-foot loop that day. Ran smooth as silk, consistent speed, smokin' great and never even came close to getting warm. It was the hit of the show, as no one ever made a J Class in S. One thing you'll want to do is wire the smoke unit and the headlight directly to the track power, though. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@a... wrote: > > Under light load about 1/4 amp. Up to 1/2 amp under a big load. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37128	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: SnS Cam Motors

Compare this to an original AF motor that's full of old grease and carbon using as much as 4 amps! The can motor requires as little as 1/16 the power needed to run original AF. Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote: Steve's right on with the numbers. For a recent train show, I dropped one of his can motor kits and a Dallee electronic reverse unit into a Gilbert Northern that has been converted into N&W J Class 611. Pulled seven AM Budd passenger cars for over two hours non-stop on our club's modular layout -- set up to be about a 80-foot loop that day. Ran smooth as silk, consistent speed, smokin' great and never even came close to getting warm. It was the hit of the show, as no one ever made a J Class in S. One thing you'll want to do is wire the smoke unit and the headlight directly to the track power, though. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@a... wrote: > > Under light load about 1/4 amp. Up to 1/2 amp under a big load. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37129	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Barb in Florida

I got a text message (cell phone) from Barb this morning. She says she may not get power until the 15th of November!!!! And she has no water! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37130	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Large lot of NOS Flyer parts.

Hi, everyone. Sam and I recently purchased a large lot of new old stock American Flyer parts of every size, shape, and description. We are putting a few pieces on ebay to "test the waters". If any of you have a parts need, please feel free to contact us at our email address of _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrain s@...) Here is a link to what we have listed so far. They are scheduled to start on Saturday night. _Click here: My eBay Selling: Scheduled Items_ (http://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyeBay&LogUID=snstrains&CurrentPage=MyeBayScheduled&ssPageName=STRK:ME: LNLK) Regards, Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37131	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: Re: Barb in Florida

Rick..... I am only a few hours away from her...... If I knew what she needs..... Botteled water, or whatever, I could pick it up here and run it down.... On sat...... Wonder how the other Fla. guys faired..... zero here...... Paul, others???? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Barb in Florida >I got a text message (cell phone) from Barb this morning. > She says she may not get power until the 15th of November!!!! > And she has no water! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37132	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2005
Subject: For exchange: UP AM Smoothsides for B&O AM Smoothside Pass Cars

Group I am concentrating on the B&O as my prototype and wish to exchange my set of 5 UP American Models 80' Smoothside Passenger cars for a set of 5 B&O 80' Smoothside cars. My set has scale wheel sets. Willing to send pictures for those interested. Details: My set of 5 cars (bagg/dorm, coach, dome, sleeper and boattail observation) is in great shape, has been very little used and is fully illuminated including the observation car which is equipped with a City of San Francisco lighted drumhead and tiny right and left and center end lights. Please contact me offline if interested. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37133	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

> 929 40 ft van trailer 60's set will letter two trailers > http://mopac1.tripod.com/929.gif > > 930 MODX 50' steel reefer (6-62) > http://mopac1.tripod.com/930.gif > > 931 WADX 50' steel reefer (7-73) > http://mopac1.tripod.com/931.gif > > 932 MODX 50' steel reefer (6-62) > http://mopac1.tripod.com/932.gif > > 933 TPLX 50' steel reefer (6-63) > http://mopac1.tripod.com/933.gif > > 934 RMBX 50' steel reefer (6-62) > http://mopac1.tripod.com/934.gif > > 935 ABLX 50' steel reefer (6-62) > http://mopac1.tripod.com/935.gif > > Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. > N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These > should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. > > If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, > HO, S & O scale, $8.00, plus $3.85 for p&h. > > Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail > Graphics, their link is on my web page. > > > Tom Stolte - The Decal Machine - Oddballs Decals > N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models. > 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 > Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@... > Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org > Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ > NMRA Member #121756 > Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > MPHS web site http://mopac.org/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37134	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: Wilma!

Hi Folks, We have no power and no internet. I took my laptop visiting for this session. I can use my generator to keep the fridge and freezer cold. Every few hours, I recharge the water system, so, we have running water. Sadly, the very nice, mid-winter weather is leaving and the heat and humidity are returning. Aside from the comfort factor, I fear my Homasote will not be too happy with the change. We put a new roof on last year after Francis and Jean It held up OK. There are a lot of tree branches down and four trees. It took several days to clean some of that up. The yard guy came by today and mowed/mulched the rest. It looks pretty well back to normal. One tree that came down is a pine tree with some nice-looking wood. I set some pieces aside to dry out and season. My intent is to make a structure dedicated to Wilma. That will be in a couple of years. I'll keep you posted. This is Crazy Bill, out for now. Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37135	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: Wire Diagram - Flyer on DC

I just made a photo album http://s-scale.org/albums/albuq20 for uploading wire diagrams Chuck Smith sent me one this week. The storm was bad, but we escaped any major damage. Our power was restored yesterday. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/28/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37137	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: I just bought two cabooses off the internet and have a question a #

Hey fellas, just wonderin if a tuscan colored, lighted, and metal chassis, but may be plastic frame is a type 3 body? It is a AMerican flyer trains caboose. Nuckle couplers. Just want to know to see if it was worth more than 13.00! Hahahah. I got those two for the whole price as that. What a good deal. Responses: Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37138	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service

Esteemed Colleagues In S, Can anyone help brother Visintine with some St. Louie Assistance? Bill -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:16 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service To the S folks in the greater St. Louis area I have convinced my brother to set up the American Flyer trains (we had as kids) for his grand kids this Christmas. He lives near Chesterfield and needs to get one of the locomotives serviced and checked out. These things haven't run in 50 years. I offered to do this for him and install a can motor from S&S, but if he ops to do this locally I would like to guide him to a reliable source. Any info I can pass on to him would be appreciated. I am not on the other S list so if someone could ask for me over there it would help. Please E-mail me off list with any names, phone numbers and e-mail addresses that would do this service. Thanks for helping pass us on the "S" tradition. Joe Visintine Salinas Ca.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37139	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: catenary

Does anybody have a functioning catenary on their 'S' trains. Please contact me 'off list'. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37140	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Joe's Plea for Flyer Help in St. Louis

Hi Folks, Joe asked that you respond offline, but, I have not figured out how to include his email address in the Yahoo system, so, please send your responses to me and I will forward them to Joe. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37141	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service

I just recommended Marty's Train Shop to him. Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: Joe's Plea for Flyer Help in St. Louis

Bill, I just hit "reply" instead of "reply all" and my email reached him. Roy Inman > From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:51:42 -0400 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Joe's Plea for Flyer Help in St. Louis > > Hi Folks, > > > > Joe asked that you respond offline, but, I have not figured out how to > include his email address in the Yahoo system, so, please send your > responses to me and I will forward them to Joe. > > > > Later, > > Bill > > > > Bill Porter > > 15212 79th Court N > > Loxahatchee, FL > > 33470 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37143	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: BARB IS OK......

Spoke with Barb this morning..... She and her cat are ok..... Her train room is ok.... just lots of things to unpack now..... Will be as late as Nov 22 before power is restored to her home...... Water doesn't work...... she has a friend a little north and a ymca down the street where she can go to shower etc..... lots of water around her house and some trees fell..... she had some people remove the ones on her house.... lost some shingles, but they were on an area that had been reroofed over old shingles and they held..... just lots and lots of yard cleanup now.... But the best thing.... she is ok!!!!!! and she had her scotch last night...... not sure she can make the chat tomorrow...... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37144	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service

Bill.... look up Larry Strassberger, St. Louis, in the TCA directory..... He is into Flyer, saw him at York after many years, he might know.... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "'Joe'" <h2oman@...> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service > Esteemed Colleagues In S, > > Can anyone help brother Visintine with some St. Louie Assistance? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of > Joe > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:16 PM > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] AF in need of service > > To the S folks in the greater St. Louis area > I have convinced my brother to set up the American Flyer trains (we > had as kids) for his grand kids this Christmas. He lives near > Chesterfield and needs to get one of the locomotives serviced and > checked out. These things haven't run in 50 years. I offered to do > this for him and install a can motor from S&S, but if he ops to do > this locally I would like to guide him to a reliable source. Any info > I can pass on to him would be appreciated. > I am not on the other S list so if someone could ask for me over there > it would help. > Please E-mail me off list with any names, phone numbers and e-mail > addresses that would do this service. > Thanks for helping pass us on the "S" tradition. > > Joe Visintine > Salinas Ca. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37145	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Looking for an AF Rocket Laucher Flat Car

Group I'm looking or an AF Rocket Launcher Flat Car with or without Rocket. Please contact me offline. Thanks, Jack Riely Member NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37146	From: Charles Malinowski	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Indy S Show in 1 week!

Hello Friends: It's hard to believe that our second Indianapolis S Show is one week from today. We hope that many of you will be joining us to continue promoting S scale. If you need additional information please email or call. Thank you for your support. Charles 2ND ANNUAL INDIANAPOLIS S SHOW Promoting the National Association of S Gaugers and all aspects of S Scale in Indiana All S model railroad show and meet Saturday-November 5th, 2005 · Dealer Tables SOLD OUT! Over 20 tables of S items (Scale, Hi-Rail & Flyer) · Clinic 1: Scratch building / Scenery · Clinic 2: DCC Locomotive Decoder Installation · NASG Switching Layout · Hoosier S Gaugers “S Mod” Layout · Admission only $5! · Door Prizes Friday Bonus! Bring & Brag Session / Dinner at Shapiro’s Restaurant in Carmel—6PM to 8PM (Note: Dinner not included with admission.) 10AM TO 3PM SATURDAY, November 5th, 2005 Carmel Lions’ Clubhouse 141 East Main Street, Carmel Indiana 46032 Five miles North of Indianapolis / I-465 Contact: Charles Malinowski 317-730-3187 or bmry1905@... --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37147	From: Charles Malinowski	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Indy S Show: Friday Dinner

Don't forget we will have dinner at Shapiro's Friday evening. This is also our "Bring & Brag" session. We had a great time last year. Use the link below for the Carmel location and map. http://www.shapiros.com/locations.htm Charles Malinowski Carmel, Indiana bmry1905@... --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37148	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: S Gauge photographs

I have updated my collection with more photographs, number 104 upwards are about 2/3 of the freight stock. Can you assist with some answers to these questions please ? Most of the freight stock that isn't American Flyer appears to a plastic body on a wooden underframe with white metal details and bogies, is this a kit or does it indicate that the previous owner as constructed his own underframes for propriatary equipment? Some of the American Flyer stock has a serial number on the underside of the frame, e.g. PA-14D403, others have none visible, such as the coal hopper with a load, is the serial number hidden somwwhere or did stock not have a number everytime? Is the Lionel Baby Ruth Candy a take on Babe Ruth the baseball player or was there really a Baby Ruth candy company? The Rio Grande Boxcar 25049 appears to function in some way, there is a lever at one end and a slot in the roof, what should it do? how does it do it? Is the Heinz Pickle car a model of a real vehicle? we seem to have three Heinz vehicles as well as a Pickle Factory (photo to follow) Is any of this stock rare or valuable or can we thrash the rivets of it all at our show next year? Thanks very much in advance for any assistance, I should get the remaining stock pictures next week. If anyone on this list wishes to visit the Chatham club, please contact me for further information or see chatham-mrc.co.uk for details. Glenn Allen ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37149	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: S Gauge Photographs

S Gauge Photographs I have now added another 46 pictures to the album and sent a seperate e-mail with some questions. 1 I forgot was : why didn't anybody say that I spelt gauge wrong? http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album?.dir=/98ed&.src=ph&.tok=phLfo2DBv_rgBwJ2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37150	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/29/2005
Subject: Another non train item!

My wife just remember another non-train item at York, as this was, a real "HOT" item I am sure. Again, I am neither for or against having this item displayed for sale at York, as I am just writing what I saw. The item is the long forgotten Billy Bass singing mounted fish on a cheap looking wall plague.!!!! LOL Anyway, I think a Billy Bass would be perfect for scaring away deer and other animals who might forage on your greenery or annoy your pesky neighbors. I am sure if Neil Young made this York this past October, he would fight you for this fine item. LOL Maybe next year, someone will have for sale a forbidden cell phone on a table. Maybe if it has train ring tones, it would be train related. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37151	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Citrus Shed Structure - status

Greetings: I have 11 confirmed orders so far and still looking for more. Please see listing below about this great new offer in S. For those of you who are on the fence about ordering because you do not want to build a kit, or simply do not have the time for building, contact me off list. Right now I am trying to get announcements in the S mags to reach our fellow modelers who are not on the Net. Regards, John Gibson Rocklin, CA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Gibson" <vito4cal@y...> wrote: > > Greetings: > > Are you like me, have lots of reefer cars with no place to go? > <VBG> I went looking on the net for a citrus packing shed and found > this low relief backdrop model at Showcase Miniatures. Go to > http://www.showcaseminiatures.com/ and click on the link to HO > Structures. > > I have contacted the manufacturer and he will agree to make the kit > in S if I can get a commitment for 50 orders. The building's foot > print will be about 20 inches wide, about 6 inches tall and 1 3/4th > inch deep. The cost would be approximately $50US, plus shipping. > > I will gladly coordinate this project. No deposits are required (at > least not at this time). I just need to know if you are interested > and/or willing to commitment to ordering one or more of these > buildings. Please contact me offline. > > Thank you! > > John Gibson > Rocklin, CA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37152	From: faltrain5	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: is a 8b transformer suspposed to come with the bakelite handle. Is

I have two different variations for the 8b transformer and they have all been with the handle. Which is the right one? That is my question. Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37153	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re;S gauge photographs

Glenn...I can't answer all your questions, but in looking at the photos I'm impressed by the collection! However, many hard core American Flyer collectors will cringe when they see some of them! There are some standard Flyer items in there, but you have quite a lot of scratchbuilt, kit built, and kit bashed equipment. I'm VERY impressed with what has been done, particularly the custom built locomotives on Flyer or scratchbuilt chassis! From what I can see, a real craftsman did these models. And he had an imagination. I'd think twice about running the wheels off this stuff as there are many "one of a kind" custom made items in there! Can you give us some history on this collection? Who did this, when, where? Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Matins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37154	From: lisazenn	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Casey Jones, Game Train, help... to newbie.

Hi, we just started collecting. We have a small antique shop and a private collection of clocks as a result of our auction going we started to amass some trains and were bitten by the bug.. this week we were at an auction where there was hundreds of them, most were in pretty rough shape but I found one that I really thought was unusual and wanted to set aside for our collection but now I can't find anything on it.. Its the Gilbert Casey Jones Game train, it has a game board, game piecs and cards, line cards etc. Alot of pieces ot it, but NO instructions. Wondering how one sets it up and is it anything worth keeping? The board and peices are all in good condition. The board has some metal contacts which I would assume attach to the track somehow but I could be completely wrong. I found the game train cars and engines but nothing about the whole game. We picked up some others too, we can barely afford most Lionel so it looks like American flyer is going to be a our train of choice, seems like you can still get some deals. Now to find room for it all in the house.. :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37155	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth

glenn allen <glenn_rhb@...> wrote: Is the Lionel Baby Ruth Candy a take on Babe Ruth the >baseball player or was there really a Baby Ruth candy >company? There was and still is a candy bar named "Baby Ruth." It's name is believed to be based on "Babe" Ruth, the baseball player. The Curtiss Candy Company (maker of Baby Ruth candy bars) disputes this for legal reasons, but it would be 's a truly remarkable coincidence otherwise. Snopes has the story here: http://www.snopes.com/business/names/babyruth.asp --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37156	From: glenn allen	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Re;S gauge photographs

We don't have much information at present, I forgot to ask our club president for the previous owners name, He has contacted the Model Railroader but had no reply as yet, once I get some more details I'll let you all know what we've got. I'll try to get some real close up shots of some of the hand painted things yet to come, the level of detail is extremly good. On a detail point, slightly off topic, I saw a German HO layout on Saturday. It had a working level crossing, next to the crossing was a dog, as the gates came down the dog started wagging its tail. One of the locos had a driver looking out forwards from the cab, until the loco went into reverse, then he looked round..... On one of the wagons was a shunter, who, when the wagon started being moved would wave his arm signalling to the driver...incedible stuff. --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Glenn...I can't answer all your questions, but in > looking at the > photos I'm impressed by the collection! However, > many hard core > American Flyer collectors will cringe when they see > some of them! > There are some standard Flyer items in there, but > you have quite a > lot of scratchbuilt, kit built, and kit bashed > equipment. I'm VERY > impressed with what has been done, particularly the > custom built > locomotives on Flyer or scratchbuilt chassis! From > what I can see, a > real craftsman did these models. And he had an > imagination. > I'd think twice about running the wheels off this > stuff as there are > many "one of a kind" custom made items in there! > Can you give us some history on this collection? > Who did this, > when, where? > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Matins Ferry, > OH. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37157	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Scenery

Hi all, I am thinking about using Subterrain risers to make an elevated loop. Has anyone here ever use that product? It seems like it may be an easy thing to use. I was watching DIY last night and they were building a layout (HO) using it. How high should a bridge be....what height would "look" right running over a lower loop? Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37158	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re;scenery

Gene, I have not used the Woodland Scenics Subterrain product in S gauge, but I have used it in the similarly sized On30 scale. It works fine, in fact all their products are great time and effort savers over doing scenery "the old fashion way." You must first determine how high your track and the roadbed under ot is. Also your tallest piece of rolling stock. Together they will be you minimum clearance. Add at least a quarter inch for safety. The clearance height and how much space you have will determine the track grade. If you have just enough room for a figure eight, your grade will be very steep, requiring short, light trains. If you have more space you can make the grade less, which allows longer heavier trains. This is why real railroads always tried to use the mildest grades they could. The Subterrain product will work for S gauge(it's designed for N and HO) but you'll have to go higher than the basic product allows. You can easily do this by adding the smaller risers on top of the higher ones until you get the level required. The S-Helper Service display layout uses the Subterrain system and tells you all about it in their new "layout manual" or you can learn more with the Woodland Scenics "subterrain scenery" manual. Stumpy Stone...multiple layout builder in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37159	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Scenery

Dear Gene, I can give you a few hints. You can use low temp hot glue to attach. Remember, on curves if you have elevations your outer radius will get a little smaller. For steam era clearance, use the 1 inch riser in addition to the elevations for a 5" clearance if you plan on going under your elevation. We have a bit more in our Track Planning Guide. Don Knight, Gene wrote: >Hi all, > >I am thinking about using Subterrain risers to make an elevated loop. Has anyone here ever use that product? It seems like it may be an easy thing to use. I was watching DIY last night and they were building a layout (HO) using it. How high should a bridge be....what height would "look" right running over a lower loop? > >Thanks! > >Gene > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37160	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth

I am not sure about Lionel, but we made a "Baby Ruth" wooden reefer a few years back. I have a prototype color photo of this car that I beleive was hand colored to show the red side and yellow lettering. Two schemes of this prototype existed. The story goes that the owner of Curtiss Candy had a daughter named Ruth. One of our own father worked for Curtiss in Chicago. Does anyone know who that is? Best regards, Don Scott Holm wrote: >glenn allen <glenn_rhb@...> wrote: > >Is the Lionel Baby Ruth Candy a take on Babe Ruth the > > >>baseball player or was there really a Baby Ruth candy >>company? >> >> > >There was and still is a candy bar named "Baby Ruth." >It's name is believed to be based on "Babe" Ruth, the baseball player. The Curtiss Candy Company (maker of Baby Ruth candy bars) disputes this for legal reasons, but it would be 's a truly remarkable coincidence otherwise. Snopes has the story here: >http://www.snopes.com/business/names/babyruth.asp > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37161	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37162	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re: scenery

Thanks to all of you! What great ideas and pictures. Thanks again! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37163	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2005
Subject: Re.Baby Ruth

Lionel made at least 3 Baby Ruth cars.There was a prewar tinplate litho boxcar,a postwar 2454 boxcar,and the more common plug door model that came in Scout and low priced 027 sets.They also used Baby Ruth name on billboards and station ad signs.The latter plug door car is the one we're interested in.This car can be converted by attaching Flyer trucks to the Lionel chassis,or using the frame from a junk plastic frame Flyer tankcar. With minor filing it drops right in.The tankcar frame also fits the Marx"bathtub" gondola.Neither of these cars is highly detailed,but with some paint and decals they make good"runners" I've also done Lionel"fishbelly"gondolas but that's another story. HI-railing and bashing in the Hoosier State Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37164	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re.Baby Ruth

jjmemmer wrote... >Lionel made at least 3 Baby Ruth cars.There was a prewar tinplate litho >boxcar... That would be the 1679 that was referred to. A pic of it unmodified is here: http://s-scale.org/albums/view_photo.php?id=7769LiBRBox3 The same car modified for S: http://s-scale.org/albums/album13/7782ConLiBRBox1 >and the more common plug door model that came in >Scout and low priced 027 sets. This may be that one (converted to S, of course): http://s-scale.org/albums/album13/7797LnlBbyRuthBox1 Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37165	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: SF Docksider

Got mine via UPS today from Doug at Portlines. I pulled it out of the packing and immediately put it on the track. I lashed it up with my AM SF FP7 just to take the load off while breaking it in and it really smoked nice will pulling about 5 cars (SHS, Flyer and Flyonel mix). My AM has a mini commander tmcc unit in it so I set the speed on the FP7 so it led the little docksider a little and then controlled track voltage with my TPC. As many have said there isn't much choo choo, but my smoke was great with Anormal1 smoke fluid. I had a great time matching the speed of the two. Having one TMCC engine in a lashup is really nice, almost as nice as both being TMCC. I think having a piston to drive the smoke puffs is worth the complexity even if you can't hear much choo choo. It sure runs a lot better than my Flyer docksider. MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37166	From: John Foley	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Flat cars with loads

Hi Folks Here is an outfit that offers S gauge flat cars with some great loads. http://www.depotatharringtonpark.com/n1holoadsonflatcars/ Schrool down to the S Gauge items. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37167	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: 650+!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FYI: Any S Gauge/Scale newbies, old-timers who haven't been to a Target, Walmart, or toy store in a while, or anybody else wondering what's new lately in road vehicles usable in the Perfect Scale (1/64), there are over 650 photos of non-rail modes of xportation displayed in Bert the Cop's Album at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01 New entries continue at the rate of 1 per day. Just as we thought we were done, Mattel, Johnny Lightning, Jada, etc. began cranking out new stuff. Whew. Bert is exhausted! :p

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37168	From: mott472000	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

Bob, not to be one that will not try something new once in a while. I purchased a docksider on Saturday and gave it a test run on the track. It ran very well, it reverses a lot better than the orginal, looks better, it smokes fairly good, but I cannot hear the choo- choo. Over all it is a great little engine. I also saw the Mikedos run in both O and S gauge. My brother in law has it in O. My only gripe is that after 10 or 15 minutes the sound gets to most people espically if you have more than one engine runing with sound. That is a complaing that both he and his son have and they turn off the sound after a few minutes. I do not mind admiting when I may be wrong the new docksider is better than the orginal. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > Except that the new Dockside, overall, does perform better than the original. > Smoke was OK but just OK, and the choo-choo was very faint in the old 21155. > The new Dockside has much better electrical contacts (the new rollers), smooth > and quiet operation, a dependable reverse unit, directional lighting, and > better finish. The list price in 1958 of the 21155 was $15, which if multiplied > by 10 comes to $150 in today's dollars against the $100 list for the new > Dockside. Admittedly, the couplers should be better, but if you don't like 'em, > replace 'em. Heck, the 21158 came with solid couplers. > > Folks seem to forget that Gilbert made mistakes which had to eaten after > Christmas. Can you say "loose white walls?" The Mikados under TMCC control are way > beyond anything that Gilbert could have dreamed of doing (or had to struggle > at). Two engines operating in the same block -- no problem. Precise spotting > of rolling stock at operating acccessories -- no problem. Remote control while > standing anywhere around the layout -- no problem. And, finally, we have AF > steam engines with truly super sounding whistles (and bells), and each specific > to its road name and number. After all, it is a half century later. > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 10/18/2005 9:42:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > twoyt@n... writes: > I have to agree. Why spend money on a product that does not perform at least > as well as engines that are 50 years old. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37169	From: jerryamflyertrain	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER TRAIN PAINT

HELLO, Ive been looking to try and restore some of my less attractive engines. I have bought a few "restored" engine shells online to recieve them with less than expected finishes. has anyone been able to reproduce the american flyer smooth finish look. i have found a paint that i use that really looks great, but also i have had the same problem the smooth finish. ive tried spray can, heated the metal, air brush, none of wich give you that original to perfection american flyer factory look. the only other thing im considering is a black oxide finish. but im not sure exactly what kind of metal the trains are made of. the black oxide finish will only chemically react with certain types of metals. so my question is this. does anyone out there know how american flyer painted there trains. thank you in advance for any info you may give back Thanks Gerald Sipla

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37170	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: docksider

When running more than one engine with sounds, it is best to lower the volume level of each. With the AF Mikados, the chuff level can be adjusted via Cab-1 by up to ten step levels (Aux-1, 4) (or by the volume pot in the tender). Under TMCC via Cab-1, RS5.0 permits decreasing the chuff sound level without affecting the volume of the whistle and bell. Consequently, one can still obtain a 'chuff' sound effect and avoid listener fatigue. The engine will retain ("remember") its chuff setting after shut down until the level is later reset by the user. Try it. You'll like it. ;-) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/31/2005 3:04:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, twoyt@... writes: I also saw the Mikados run in both O and S gauge. My brother in law has it in O. My only gripe is that after 10 or 15 minutes the sound gets to most people especially if you have more than one engine running with sound. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37171	From: muniman18	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: t&M

does any one t&M e-mail address sent for a guide haven't received it yet thx mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37172	From: jt12313	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Part numbers for Flyonel six wheel geep trucks

Hello all, Has anyone seen a part list for the new Flyonel geeps with the six wheel trucks. I may be in the mood to kitbash this winter and it helps to have a part number when ordering from either Lionel or a service center. Also, do any of our fine S retailers double as a Lionel service center/parts supplier? if so, I would just buy these assemblies from them. Jeff Tangeman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37173	From: John Gibson	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Special Run of Southern Pacific GP9’s?

Has anybody heard from Howard Sheffield of Howard's Trains about the special run of Southern Pacific GP9's he is having produced? There are supposed to be 4 different road numbers. I was hoping he would have announcement on the lists, but unless I missed it, I not have seen any mention of the new run. John Gibson.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37174	From: ron190sl	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: TCA's Museum

TCA's National Toy Train Museum has a NEW web site. Visit it at <http://www.nttmuseum.org/index.shtml>. Ron Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37175	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 10/31/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Special Run of Southern Pacific GP9’s?

John and all The first shipment is on the way to me and I will be shipping orders the first part of next week before I go to the International Rail Fair in Roseville, CA the following weekend. There will be 3 different 4 digit road numbers of the SP GP9 done in the Black Widow paint. I am working on a second batch as the first is almost sold out. If anyone is interested in these, contact me off list. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains hjsheff@... On Oct 31, 2005, at 6:07 PM, John Gibson wrote: > Has anybody heard from Howard Sheffield of Howard's Trains about the > special run of Southern Pacific GP9's he is having produced? There > are supposed to be 4 different road numbers. I was hoping he would > have announcement on the lists, but unless I missed it, I not have > seen any mention of the new run. > > > John Gibson. > > > > > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use > REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the > list (remember to edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files > or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37176	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Docksider

Hi all, This group is really amazing. I read about the Docksider here from the informer experts and so I ordered some replacement coupler springs along with my Docksider and also sent for some Anormal Smoke Fluid. The Docksider runs very smooth with plenty of power for pulling. I am pulling 4 cars with absolutely no effort. The smoke output was rather low until I added some Anormal Smoke Fluid. Mike has done a good job with his low temperature fluid. I had a problem with the car behind the Docksider derailing occasionally. I finally changed the coupler spring and the less stiff replacement coupler spring works great, no more derails. Thanks to Doug Peck for remembering my Docksider order and sending the proper coupler springs. And thank you to the informed experts who made the Docksider experience a fine one. Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37177	From: Gerald L Shultz Sr.	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: B&O MIKADO PASSENGER SET W/2-PAK FOR SALE- REDUCED

Greetings, LAST ONE!!!! HAVE ONE #49612 B&O MIKADO STEAM PASSENGER SET MINT CONDITION IN ORIGINAL BOXES FOR SALE. INCLUDES ADDITIONAL 2/PAK PASS CARS. $995.00 PLUS SHIPPING. CONTACT BY E-MAIL glshultzsr@... OR BY PHONE 419-435-3327 ANYTIME. Gerald L Shultz Sr. TCA 72-4915 Fostoria, Ohio 44830

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37178	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: steve lund

I'm trying to reach Steve Lund Can anyone try his e-mail as me seems not to be reaching him I need his home # srs@... ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37179	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: Steve Lunde THANK YOU

Thank You All that sent his # Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37180	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 Consolidation Birthing Pictures

Don Thompson just returned from the factory where he inspected the new SHS 2-8-0 Consolidations being assembled. He got some great pictures of the process, so I posted his photo review here: http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/2-8-0AssemblyLine/2-8-0AssemblyLine.htm Thanks! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37181	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/1/2005
Subject: Re: Available Southern RR Crane Car and Caboose

Brand new part of the Southern Railroad set, available at reduced price. Please contact off line. Thank you. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37182	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth

Baby Ruth was the (I believe) first child born in the White House around the turn of the century, and was the darling of the media at the time-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37183	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The new list is posted including all my York finds. Happy hunting from your S-Trains sponsor! Click on this; http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37184	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Accessories that use the common rail

Well, progress coming along on a track plan for our 8 x 8 table. I based it on the Linn Westcott plan 114 from his "Track Plans for Sectional Track" and then borrowing some ideas from the suggested model of Wingate, IN in Tony Koester's "Realistic Model Railroad Operation" - that being the passing track being continuous from the front to back side of the layout, and now for how to position industry sidings to be able to switch them. Thus my question... Currently I don't have operating / action accessories. I hope to see that change. I remember that often they use the common base post rail as a return for the accessory or action car. Thus if I am thinking right, that means the accessory can only go on one side of the track. Is there any "common rule" in how these accessories were designed that like "usually the building is on the common rail side, or not on the common rail side of the track"? I am trying to position the industry sidings where they are not a pain, then remembered that as I get close to other tracks it means the accessory could only go on one side of the track, thus need to pick which rail is the common rail pretty soon and check that accessories actually work in those spots. Would be happy to share the track plan as it is now, but don't have RRTrack.com software as of yet. LOTS of fun trying to figure out how to get some of these done with the most stock track sizes possible! ;-) Managed to get the outside loop without cuts, even a bypass of the figure eight diamond! Inside passing track demands a little 1 1/4" and something around 4". So, trying to get as much finalized before I cut rails. If someone would not mind keying the layout into the RRTrack.com software then we could all look at the mainline design as I have it, thus see where industries are possible to place. The kids are having fun seeing what daddy has had stuck in boxes as it comes out and goes on the table! :-) TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37185	From: manderman	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: Baby Ruth

Hello all. Check out this site for more info on the Baby Ruth naming deal.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Ruth Mark Anderman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37186	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Power to the People!

Colleagues in S, Power has been restored to our neighborhood. It appears that Florida Power and Light had a mix-up between regular AC (using TMCC or DCS, I presume) and Digital Command Control (DCC) on our street. Until they resolved the issue, we languished. All has returned to normal here as long as we don't want to drive. The traffic signaling system is wrecked. Negotiations with NJ International and Dallee are in progress. Later, Bill Porter Loxahatchee, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37187	From: trainman634	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: First American Flyer Engine

I purchased my first American Flyer a few days ago. It was a plastic 302 steam engine. It was obtained from Mark Preman. When I opened the box I found a engine in excellent condition and it runs great. It is amazing to me that something that was manufactured over fifty years ago still works so well. I will be buying from americanflyertrains.com many more times in the future. This is a great hobby when you have dealers like Mark to work with.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37188	From: glenn allen	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: S Guage pictures

SG155, is this a model of a real vehicle? SG151 is the factory itself, it appears to be a kit that has had signs added to it, I'll investigate further in about 3 weeks time. SG152 the automatic hopper is an HO scale kit, it's size is such that it can easily be used in s scale, possibly it has been built up to allow 1/64th scale wagons to pass under. SG158 the Up operating stock car has a running number OSL47728, who's reporting marks are these? Likewise the Crisco car SG161, it has PGRX. This week's food related question. What was Crisco all about? We have come across some flex track, made by Miller this is simialr to current Peco track, plastic sleepers and 36" long. Do Miller still exsist? The total of 36" pieces was 109, enough to keep us going for a while. but only 2 useable points, we'll have to get some more. I also, finally, have the name of the gentleman whose stock this was. Mr W Farley of Schenectady who retired in about June 1974 and moved back from America to England after leaving the Armed Forces in America. Does his name ring a bell with anyone over there? Thanks for your help. Glenn ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37189	From: trainman634	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: 302 Steam Engine

I am a new to collecting American Flyer trains. I have a plastic 302 steam engine with a plastic tender. The tender has two holes on the top rear of the tender. There is one hole on each side of the rear top of the tender. What are these holes for? Was there something that fit in the holes like marker lights?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37190	From: John	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Group

Are there any S Gaugers in the San Bernardino area interested in getting together as a club? If so, please email me off list, so we can work something out. Thanks, John Simms San Bernardino, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37191	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: For sale -- reproduction American Flyer No. 792 Terminal

For sale: Reproduction American Flyer No. 792 Terminal (train shed) with four ramps. Great for a layout. Have two. LN condition. $60 each plus S&H. Please contact me off line. These will be going on my Gratiot Valley Train Show table this Sunday. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37192	From: trainman634	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: 302 Steam Engine

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes4260@j...> wrote: > > I am a new to collecting American Flyer trains. I have a plastic 302 > steam engine with a plastic tender. The tender has two holes on the > top rear of the tender. There is one hole on each side of the rear top > of the tender. What are these holes for? Was there something that fit > in the holes like marker lights? > Sorry group It is a 303 not a 302 steam engine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37193	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/2/2005
Subject: Re: 302 Steam Engine

The 303 Atlantic tender shell has 2 holes. It is the same shell as the 293. The 293 has marker lights while the Atlantic tender does not. Glenn http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/Belfry.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <wes4260@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 302 Steam Engine > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes4260@j...> wrote: > > > > I am a new to collecting American Flyer trains. I have a plastic 302 > > steam engine with a plastic tender. The tender has two holes on the > > top rear of the tender. There is one hole on each side of the rear > top > > of the tender. What are these holes for? Was there something that > fit > > in the holes like marker lights? > > > Sorry group It is a 303 not a 302 steam engine. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37194	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Lets map out the location of all S List members!

S Friends, I have found a real interesting website that presents you with a map of the USA where you enter your location which becomes a pin in the map! This is a chance to get an idea of how far apart we all are geographically (or how close together we are). You may find that you have S friends nearby that you did not even know about. Goto the website http://www.frappr.com/strains No password required, enter your zip code, a little message, and a photo of you or your layout if you like. I have taken the liberty to put myself on the map first to give you an idea of how it works. This could be very interesting so consider participating. You may not want to list your full email address here (and you don't have to) as most of us get enough spam email as it is! Lets have fun with this... Chuck http://www.myflyertrains.org Gilbert Catalogs Online

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37195	From: pdng@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: baby ruth

Subject: Re: Baby Ruth Baby Ruth was the (I believe) first child born in the White House around the turn of the century, and was the darling of the media at the time-John Marganski Check out this site for baby ruth _Click here: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Business (Baby Ruth)_ (http://www.snopes.com/business/names/babyruth.asp) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37196	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Bridge Rectifiers for DC Operation

I am thinging of adding bridge rectifiers to my locomotive circuts to enable DC operation with Polarity Reversing. Does anyone have a suggestion where to buy and what type of Full Wave Bridge Rectifiers are needed for this purpose. The recent Kalmbach Dream-Plan-Build Video series shows such a conversion but I have been unable to locate any Rectifier similar to the one used in the Video. Additionally, does placing the rectifier across the field or accross the armature produce any signicant improvement where wired. Finally, for satisfactory operation how big of a power source is needed. Thanks in advance for any help anyone provide.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37197	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: Bridge Rectifiers for DC Operation

Hey Roger, The Little Shack of Radios has some suitable parts. For instance: Catalog #: 276-1146 4 amp, 50 PIV $1.99 Catalog #: 276-1173 4 amp, 400 PIV $2.49 Catalog #: 276-1181 6 amp, 200 PIV $2.59 Catalog #: 276-1185 25 amp, 200 PIV $3.29 Good Luck, Bill Porter > I am thinging of adding bridge rectifiers to my locomotive circuts to > enable > DC operation with Polarity Reversing. Does anyone have a suggestion where > to buy and what type of Full Wave Bridge Rectifiers are needed for this > purpose. The recent Kalmbach Dream-Plan-Build Video series shows such a > conversion but I have been unable to locate any Rectifier similar to the > one > used in the Video. > > Additionally, does placing the rectifier across the field or accross the > armature produce any signicant improvement where wired. Finally, for > satisfactory operation how big of a power source is needed. > > Thanks in advance for any help anyone provide. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37198	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: K5440T set

Trying to research a K5440T set with the 343 switcher. What color cab would the crane car and work caboose have been on this set? Thanks in advance, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37199	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Miller track

Glenn Allen asked, We have come across some flex track, made by Miller this is similar to current Peco track, plastic sleepers and 36" long. Do Miller still exist? No, Miller, or more correctly, the Robert L. Miller Laboratory of Indiana, hasn't been in business for many years. Their plastic tie strip came in 6 inch lengths and the rail, usually code 125 although code 100 works also, must be slid through the ties to create track. I bought a lot of it new in the late 1960s but I'm not sure that Miller was still in business then. American Flyer trains generally run fine with code 125 rail on the Miller tie strip. Flanges are generally about 0.100 inches high, and just clear the tops of the plastic spikes. Using code 100 rail is fine for scale flanges, but too small for AF trains. One of the more interesting products Miller made was an Alco S-4 switcher with the armature of the motor wound on the axle of the wheels. The wheels are divided into 5 segments so as they roll on the rail, different segments come into contact with the rail thereby powering corresponding sections of the armature. The permanent magnets for the fields are in the truck body, surrounding the armature. The loco can have one to four axles powered, and the wheels came in both scale and high-rail size flanges. Because there are no gears on the drive-train, the weight of the engine creates a momentum effect even if the throttle is shut off. The engine motion is quite smooth, but doesn't have quite as much tractive effort (pulling power) as most engines with gears such as an AF or AM Baldwin or an SHS EMD switcher. The speed can be easily controlled with a variable voltage power supply, such as a transformer with a rectifier, but doesn't do well with constant voltage and variable width spikes such as the DC controller that comes with SHS starter sets. I've never seen a Miller turnout. Maybe you could post a picture. Schenectady, NY is right in the heart of New York Central and Delaware & Hudson territory, and also was the home of the American Locomotive Company or ALCO as it became in later years. Maybe this is why Mr. Farley had so many NYC and D&H models. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37200	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: K5440T set

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:01:22 -0500, Larry Moore wrote: >What color cab would the crane car and work caboose have been on this set? Thought it was always a black crane on a gray flat car. Tuscan or what ever that color is cab on the work caboose, also a gray base. Various colors of fences and tool boxes on the 945 car. I am correct in thinking that is a knuckle coupler set, yes? Cranes were all sorts of yuck (in my opinion) colors in the link coupler days. I think the 944/945's are classic. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37201	From: Phil K	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: K5440T set

The 944s and 945s with that set, according to my research materials, came with a black crane mounted on either a gray or metallic blue-gray frame. The metallic blue-gray versions are harder to find. Phil K ***************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Moore" <mo2337@m...> wrote: > > Trying to research a K5440T set with the 343 switcher. What color cab would the crane car and work caboose have been on this set? > Thanks in advance, Larry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37202	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/3/2005
Subject: Re: K5440T set

Larry, This link should help you with your research! http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1954Catalog/ AF_1954_catalog_page18-19.htm Enjoy... Chuck On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:01 PM, Larry Moore wrote: > Trying to research a K5440T set with the 343 switcher. What color > cab would the crane car and work caboose have been on this set? > Thanks in advance, Larry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37203	From: John	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!

Chuck, I put my dad in Canyon, TX and myself in San Bernardino on the map. Everyone, keep it up! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@g...> wrote: > > S Friends, I have found a real interesting website that presents you > with a map of the USA where you enter your location which becomes a > pin in the map! This is a chance to get an idea of how far apart we > all are geographically (or how close together we are). You may find > that you have S friends nearby that you did not even know about. > > Goto the website http://www.frappr.com/strains > > No password required, enter your zip code, a little message, and a > photo of you or your layout if you like. I have taken the liberty to > put myself on the map first to give you an idea of how it works. This > could be very interesting so consider participating. You may not want > to list your full email address here (and you don't have to) as most > of us get enough spam email as it is! > > Lets have fun with this... > > Chuck > > http://www.myflyertrains.org > Gilbert Catalogs Online >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37204	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: rEAL STEAL??????

http://cgi.ebay.com/AF-CHESAPEAKE-OHIO-ENGINE-SET-STOLEN-AT-SHOW_W0QQitemZ6009709943QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37205	From: Tom Kaufman	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2840

Thanks Chuck for pointing me to that Website. Doug has really done a good job in allowing us with no access to old catalogs to do research to find items we can add to our empires. I thought my old set was uncatalogued, but I found in the 1955 catalog my exact set with a couple of minor changes. I have through photos determined that i had the set but had a T&P godola rather than the dump car, and no whistling billboard. But my memory could be fogged over the last 50 years!!!! Thanks again to Chuck and Doug!! Tom Kaufman Largo Florida __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37206	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2834

I am no longer receiving digests.. Pls restore Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37207	From: Mac	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Great web site

I was googling Mom's hometown of Mauch Chunk, PA when I found this site. There are so many good ideas for modeling, scenery, rolling stock. Why, it's a veritable cornucopia of stuff. I especially like the drawings of the track layout on the CNJ side of the river. BTW, got my Mikado from PortLines last week and I'm still in awe. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37208	From: Mac	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Addition

After all that, forgot the address: http://www.gingerb.com/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37209	From: Phil K	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Lionel settles trade secrets lawsuit with K-Line

LIONEL SETTLES K-LINE LAWSUIT CHESTERFIELD, MI -- October 27, 2005 -- Lionel LLC announced today that it has settled the trade secrets law suit it first brought against K-Line Model Trains more than two months ago. In that suit, Lionel claimed that K-Line had paid Lionel's chief engineer to design speed control, sound and transformer systems for use in K- Line's products, and that those K-Line products contained Lionel's proprietary technology. Under the terms of the settlement, K-Line, which filed for bankruptcy protection during the proceedings, agreed to the entry of a permanent injunction that will prohibit them from manufacturing or selling any products that allegedly contained Lionel's technology. They also agreed to renounce any claim to the technology in question, and to give Lionel a $2 million damage claim in its bankruptcy case. Finally, in order to avoid future litigation, K- Line granted Lionel a royalty free license for other, selected patents. Inventoried supplies of K-Line products containing the Lionel speed control, sound and transformer technology cannot be sold or shipped by K-Line unless the Lionel technology is removed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37210	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!

Man o Man, earth.google.com is better than that interface. First did not know our zip code that was invented several years ago. Then no exact drop capability... droped my flag a few miles from home though I was WAY zoomed in and centered (double click) right on the correct spot. Oh well, we could just all create our own place mark in earth.google.com and then upload those place marks to the group server. earth.google.com is very slick. One can fly over the Forth Rail Bridge in Scottland and then flatten the map out to appear as if you are the engine driver headed over. Hey, free download, such is cheap thrills! ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37211	From: Ingram-James-Listservers	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Pics: S Gaugian Fantasy Layout Pics On Web

SUBJECT: Photos of G Gaugian Magazine Fantasy Layout http://www.trainweb.org/pa/jer01 . You can use the above link, to view about 45 photos of this layout on the "Track2 Railnet/Trainweb Photo Page". Note there is also a link on the web page to the builders "About The Layout" comments. ========== DETAILS: ========== This layout is located in Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. This S Gauge "Fantasy Layout" ("A Layout For The Kids") appeared on pages 20 & 21 of the Nov/Dec 2005 issue of the S Gaugian magazine. It's a nine-loop layout, spread out on four vertical levels. (When the builder ran out of space horizontally, he started building "up".) It uses essentially all pre-Lionel American Flyer S gauge trains. The design is clever, unique, and executed with outstanding artistry. This layout reminds you of the AC Gilbert display layouts, except (in my humble opinion) . . it's even better. ~~~~~~~~~~ (( If you haven't yet seen this S Gaugian article because you don't get this fine magazine, there is subscribing information at http://www.heimburgerhouse.com/magazines_misc/s_gaugian.htm )) Thanks. - James Ingram, Williamsport Pa (SusquehannaSgaugers.com) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37212	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/4/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2840

Roger, Radio Shack is probably the easiest place to get rectifiers. Here is my advice: 50 PIV (peak input voltage) is plenty. Higher PIV probably won't hurt anything, but there is no need to pay for more than 50. The current capacity is the thing. For steam locomotives, 1 amp will probably do the job. 1.5 amp will certainly work fine. I have used both and both have run for many hours without failure. I put the rectifier in the cab pretty much out of sight. The leads are all that hold the rectifier, but it gets plenty of cooling air. Because ACG AF diesel locomotives are so inefficient, I would recommend 4 amps for a dual motor locomotive. I can't see any reason to go higher. However, because the rectifier is inside the closed body of the engine, I recommend you attach it to the sheet metal chassis. Glue would probably be fine. I made a little strap out of thin brass to hold it in place. If you buy one of the rectifiers with a hole in it you can put screw through the hole in the rectifier and a hole in the frame to hold it in place. I put the rectifier across the field, but it doesn't make any difference. What does matter is which direction you polarize the field (or the armature, if that is where you use the rectifier). If you aren't careful, it is easy to have different locomotives wired so they go different directions when you put them on the track. That is only a real problem occurs if you want to double-head locomotives. The convention with DC trains is that when the right rail (from the locomotive's point of view) is positive, the loco should move forward. Before I put the shell on, I test the locomotive to assure that it goes the right direction. If not, I switch the positive and negative leads, and test again to be sure my brain is working. ;-) One other thing, be sure the headlight and smoke unit are not wired through the rectifier. Doing so will cut the voltage to them by about 1.3 volts and reduce the brightness of the light and the power of the smoke unit. Not a big deal, but why give up smoke and light? The size of power pack needed is unaffected by the use of bridge rectifiers. If the power pack works for the locomotive before you put in the bridge rectifier, it will work just fine afterwards. I have used an MRC Tech II 2500 with AF steam locomotives. It works fine, but after a while (about an hour in my experience), it will get hot and the thermal protection will shut everything down. This had me spooked the first time, but in a half hour, the power pack is ready to go again--no harm done. You may want to find one of the power packs rated for 4 amps or more to avoid the hassle of waiting for the smaller pack to cool. What I have done is build AC to DC converters with a bridge rectifier and a reversing switch in a little project box that goes between a flyer transformer and the track. This is lots cheaper than buying a big new power pack. For the power pack end of things, you still don't need more than 50 PIV, but you should probably go for 6 or 10 amps, depending on the capacity of your power pack. Also, you have to plan for cooling this rectifier. A metal project box is a good heat dissipation device. Be sure to attach the rectifier firmly to the metal so heat can travel to the case. If you need more information on how to this, write back and I can give more detail. Good luck, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee At 12:28 PM 11/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:04:40 -0500 > From: "Roger Dumas" <actngalt@...> >Subject: RE:Bridge Rectifiers for DC Operation > >I am thinging of adding bridge rectifiers to my locomotive circuts to enable >DC operation with Polarity Reversing. Does anyone have a suggestion where >to buy and what type of Full Wave Bridge Rectifiers are needed for this >purpose. The recent Kalmbach Dream-Plan-Build Video series shows such a >conversion but I have been unable to locate any Rectifier similar to the one >used in the Video. > >Additionally, does placing the rectifier across the field or accross the >armature produce any signicant improvement where wired. Finally, for >satisfactory operation how big of a power source is needed. > >Thanks in advance for any help anyone provide.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37213	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 6, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37214	From: muniman18	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: car and loco dating

is there anywhere on either the car or loco that shows when it was made besides the stock number thanks mike {the bond man }

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37215	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] car and loco dating

Mike, Inside my plastic 282 loco, there is a 1953 stamp. Not sure about other locos and rolling stock. I haven't seen dates on rolling stock. **((((is there anywhere on either the car or loco that shows when it was made besides the stock number thanks mike {the bond man })))*** S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37216	From: muniman18	Date: 11/5/2005
Subject: dating

again you people are great this helps mucho thx again go giants mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37217	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Neuse River Train Show - Raleigh, NC

Hi: Just a note to let folks know that the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers will be running their interactive modular layout at the Neuse River Train show November 12-13 at the NC State Fair Grounds in Raleigh, NC. Check out the Neuse River Club website for more info. Come help us run the accessories and if you've got some S-Gauge bring it on down and we'll swap stories about our "stuff". Regards, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37218	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: car and loco dating

From about 1949 to 1959 (and maybe end of production, I'm posting this from memory) locomotive bodies had the month and year stamped on the inside of the body shell. Rolling stock did not get this treatment, as they didn't have "complex electrical equipment" that might need to be serviced, and the production run kept track, in case of a "big mistake." Remember, these were toys, mass produced to be played with! Dating rolling stock involves looking for things like what kind of coupler wieghts are or aren't on the trucks (for link couplers) and other production variation clues. Rolling stock was factory dated on the box it was in (look at one of the end flaps for the date stamp). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37219	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: car and loco dating

Having grown up in the 50's I can tell you that dating between loco's and cars would have been frowned on. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37220	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: S-train Map!

What a super idea, just a note those traveling in and out of Florida via Jacksonville, you are welcome to stop and see what a former O gauger can do with the best gauge: "S Gauge" Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37221	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Diesel Power!

I just got our first AF diesel going around the little layout I built for my six year old son. I had picked an AF 370 on E-Bay earlier in the year for a birthday or Christmas gift. Last weekend I troubleshot the engine and was able to jury rig it to run today with some jumper wires. Boy, was I impressed and it looks like my son will be getting a great little Christmas gift. That little baby just tore up the track with none of the derailments that seem to plague our steamers. Maybe my steamers are too worn or something but if this is what I can expect from diesels sign me up! Anyone have any comments on diesel vs. steamer running characteristics? Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37222	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: re;loco and car dating

I must agree with Fez...loco and car dating was looking for big trouble in the fifties. Even Desi and Lucy had to sleep in separate beds...and they were married! By the sixties, things had obviously become more permissive as Lionel and Flyer had become married! The fifties mind boggles at the thought of Lionel locos and Flyer cars getting together and the monstrous offspring possible! Stumpy Stone...Gort, Klatuu virada nikto...in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 6, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37224	From: theheadliner	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!

Only problem I see with map is you have to read the entire membership list to see is there is anyone else in your city. Only shows first person from a city to sign up. Jerry --- On Thu 11/03, Chuck Harrington < myflyertrains@... > wrote: From: Chuck Harrington [mailto: myflyertrains@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: myflyertrains@... Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:58:02 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Lets map out the location of all S List members! S Friends, I have found a real interesting website that presents you with a map of the USA where you enter your location . . / _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37225	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Lets map out the location of all S List members!

***(((Only problem I see with map is you have to read the entire membership list to see is there is anyone else in your city. Only shows first person from a city to sign up.)))**** I've found the "zoom in" feature helpful to seperate the pins when the are clumped together. Sooo.....it won't show TWO members from the same city? Well, I answered my own question. I found TWO from Auburn, Washington. Use the zoom feature. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37226	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: re;loco and car dating

Mr. Stumpy, Isn't it "Gort, Klaatu barada nikto"?? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > I must agree with Fez...loco and car dating was looking for big > trouble in the fifties. Even Desi and Lucy had to sleep in separate > beds...and they were married! > By the sixties, things had obviously become more permissive as > Lionel and Flyer had become married! The fifties mind boggles at the > thought of Lionel locos and Flyer cars getting together and the > monstrous offspring possible! > Stumpy Stone...Gort, Klatuu virada nikto...in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37227	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: OSH CALENDAR

HE Guys all of you that live near an OSH store the new Calendar's will be coming out the Fri after Thanksgiving. Pick up one & one for aq friend that does not live near one(PLEASE) My yearly reminder of the best (FREE) thinking of you D. Dewey, train calendars around, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37228	From: alguckes2001	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Plasticville kitbash

I believe several years ago there was an article in one of the paperback books published by Kalmbach concerning kitbashing two Plasticville "Cathedral" churches into a more impressive structure. I am searching for the article or a copy of the book. I would be glad to pays costs if anyone has the article that could be copied, or would possibly (depending on the price) be glad to buy the book. Al Guckes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37229	From: bw_hansen	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Passenger car lighting

Is there an available schematic or kit for a constant lighting set-up for the 96X series of AF passenger cars? Thanks. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37230	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: re;loco and car dating

stumpy...... hes right..... bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: re;loco and car dating > Mr. Stumpy, > > Isn't it "Gort, Klaatu barada nikto"?? > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: >> >> I must agree with Fez...loco and car dating was looking for big >> trouble in the fifties. Even Desi and Lucy had to sleep in separate >> beds...and they were married! >> By the sixties, things had obviously become more permissive as >> Lionel and Flyer had become married! The fifties mind boggles at the >> thought of Lionel locos and Flyer cars getting together and the >> monstrous offspring possible! >> Stumpy Stone...Gort, Klatuu virada nikto...in Appalachia. >> > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37231	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/7/2005
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR

***((( My yearly reminder of the best (FREE) thinking of you D. Dewey, train calendars around, Mike)))*** I've never asked before, but I think ya only get ONE per store purchase. Now I guess you could walk back in and make another purchase! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37232	From: afvair	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: MTH accessories

Hello AF friends, I am looking for the MTH revolving beacon with plastic shack. MTH made it in 2003, does anyone have any idea where I could get one? Thanks, Wayne Golden Spike AF Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37233	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR

Rick U R catching on. Mike PS: Some stores wll set them at the exit door & let you decide how many you should get. If you bought there all year long 365 should not be an issue. :) Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37234	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH Calendars - S Gauge Trains?

Living here in the Sunshine state, I have no idea what a OSH Calendar is? How can I get one? Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37235	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: MTH accessories

Wayne, Try the product locator on the MTH web site. It is best if you have a product number to use it, so retrieve the number from a catalog first. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/8/2005 7:11:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, afvair@... writes: Hello AF friends, I am looking for the MTH revolving beacon with plastic shack. MTH made it in 2003, does anyone have any idea where I could get one? Thanks, Wayne Golden Spike AF Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37236	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Franklin Smokestack Dimensions

What is the height of the smokestack on the Franklin? Also what is the outside diameter at the top of the smoke stack? I found a smokestack that is suppossedly for a Franklin, but it is a very loose fit. If the dimensions are correct I can make a bushing to get the proper fit. If the other dimensions are wrong too, then it is the wrong smokestack. Thanks! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37237	From: manderman	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: MTH accessories

Try this: http://www.legacystation.com/MTH-Towers.htm you can find just about anything by doing a Google search.... Mark Wayne, Try the product locator on the MTH web site. It is best if you have a product number to use it, so retrieve the number from a catalog first. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/8/2005 7:11:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, afvair@... writes: Hello AF friends, I am looking for the MTH revolving beacon with plastic shack. MTH made it in 2003, does anyone have any idea where I could get one? Thanks, Wayne Golden Spike AF Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37238	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH Calendars - S Gauge Trains?

Orchard's (OSH) Hardware store chain, (owned by Sears I believe) gives out a great train calender. Super work by the artist. http://members.trainorders.com/buckeyetom/OSH2003.html Usually takes a purchase to get one (at our local store anyway). I've had friends get me a calendar at times, went to the store myself other times. The store is only about 15 minutes from me, I might have to make a few trips this year!! Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37239	From: Phil K	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!

I can see any pins at all on the map that appears. I've followed the site's directions to empty my browser cache (temporary Internet files) and still see nothing. Any of you computer-savvy wizards out there have any ideas? I run Windows XP with Internet Explorer. The page loads, but the bar at the bottom says "page loaded with error." Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37240	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!

****(((((I run Windows XP with Internet Explorer.))))**** Yep, me too.......with no problems though! I haven't a clue to why it isn't working for you Phil. :^( Rick. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37241	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: RRTrack.com software anyone?

Well, NS engineer friend came by today and we worked out details of industry sidings, uncoupler positions, and think we are ready to get this layout keyed into RRTrack.com software to see what it says are the spots needing custom cuts. Anyone have that software and willing to key in this 8' x 8' layout? TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37242	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: [Strains] Digest Number 2844

Subject: Passenger car lighting Bruce wrote Is there an available schematic or kit for a constant lighting set-up for the 96X series of AF passenger cars? Thanks. Several years ago in MR a circuit was published which used high frequence power lighting. Passenger cars ( and all lamps ) would light with out train power to the track. I believe this could be bed for todays trains. Constant lighting using a 1 1/2 volt lamps powered with a diode with a load works real good, but only with track power. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37243	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: OSH Calendars - S Gauge Trains?

Go to the Orchard Hardware Supply web site, send an email via the contact information. It may or may not be too late by now, but worth a shot. They do request a contribution to the Salvation Army of $5.00, but hasten to point out that the donation is strictly optional. Roy Inman > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:54:22 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] re: OSH Calendars - S Gauge Trains? > > Living here in the Sunshine state, I have no idea what a OSH Calendar > is? How can I get one? > > Jerry M > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37244	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: What are these switches?

I see in the TM book that there are 668, 669, 678, 679 switch part numbers made '53-'55/'56. I've only ever seen the 7xx series switches. Anyone have pics of what this 6xx type look like? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37245	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: RE Pike Master

Hello to all, Does anyone have any track plans for Pike Master Track? due to limited space I'm going to try to do a pike master layout. Thanks to you all, Don Rodgers St. Pete. Fl. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37246	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2005
Subject: Re: What are these switches?

Hi Michael, The numbers are all basically related to the cataloging of single switches in the 53 - 56 time frame. 668 = single left hand manual turnout. Looks just like a 722A left. 669 = single right hand manual turnout. Looks just like a 722A right. 678 = left hand auto switch. Looks just like a 720A left 679 = right hand auto switch. Looks just like a 720A right. See, for example, page 23 of the 1955 catalog D1802. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck PS: Stop and think when Greenberg/Kalmbach answers these questions for y'all. <wink> In a message dated 11/8/2005 7:14:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, pianoman@... writes: I see in the TM book that there are 668, 669, 678, 679 switch part numbers made '53-'55/'56. I've only ever seen the 7xx series switches. Anyone have pics of what this 6xx type look like? Thanks! Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37247	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone?

Here's a quick hack together picture of the track plan we are working on. http://s-scale.org/albums/albuq22/LUECK1 Unable to get accurate measurements for the custom track cut requirements with this software. Some things don't even come out exactly as they really do, thus would not trust its measuring capabilities. I was quite surprised how well the outside main line loop came out. Anyway, 'tis progress. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37248	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone?

Michael, You can see a hand sketch of my layout and a software generated drawing by Paul Yorke at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo09 I found the best way to lay the track was just start somewhere and try to use full length pieces as much as possible, adjusting where it made sense. For the final match ups I had to use some 1/2 lengths, some 1/4 lengths and a couple of custom cut lengths to make it all fit. The software is not very accurate and the track sections don't mate up precisely anyway, so I wouldn't trust the software to figure out the custom cuts. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > > Here's a quick hack together picture of the track plan we are working on. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/albuq22/LUECK1 > > Unable to get accurate measurements for the custom track cut requirements with > this software. Some things don't even come out exactly as they really do, thus > would not trust its measuring capabilities. I was quite surprised how well the > outside main line loop came out. > > Anyway, 'tis progress. > > Michael >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37249	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone?

Hi BG1 > The >software is not very accurate and the track sections don't mate up >precisely anyway, so I wouldn't trust the software to figure out the >custom cuts. Really now. Looks like you use RRTrack.com software. I would have thought that system is very close to bang on the dot. For me, the main line loop physically laid out not needing a cut, and that is basically what this thing thought as well. But around the diamond it went crazy. Thus I would not trust it to figure out the straight cuts for the inside passing siding... which I think that is all the cuts I need to figure out. Ah well, tape measure, square, get some marks on the board to keep things square to the table and see what it says the custom lengths need to be. I am seeking not having the track to do any fuge work. Parallel main lines that actually are. I have enough track - having been preparing / collecting for a much larger layout - that only grade A #1 track is going down, and oh my do things operate well already! :-) Eat your heart out Lionel Scout set! (Well, my 300 AC as well unfortunately!) Can't be an AF Northern for a main line steam engine! Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37250	From: Phil K	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: This is really spooky . .

I turned on my PC this morning, clicked on the S-Trains map on Frappr, and there they were! All of the map pins had suddenly appeared! These computers are way too much for a mere mortal to understand. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37251	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/9/2005
Subject: Phoot review of the New AF SD-9

I have posted a Photo Review of the new AF SD-9 at: http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9/SD-9.htm Enjoy, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37252	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Lets map out the location of all S List members!

Michael wrote: > droped my flag a few miles from home Heh, same here. But then, did I really WANT folks here to know exactly where my house is? ;^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37253	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Phoot review of the New AF SD-9

Many thanx for the photo, Carl! You saved me much seaching at Lionel's website. I'll probably be flamed for "bashing" Lionel, but I'm past caring about such things. This is one sorry excuse for an SD9. It's just a GP7 with 3 axle trucks! 8^0 Apparently, Lionel management has downsized any S savvy people that they might have employed right out of the company. They might get away with this stubby "SD9" design if it was an 0 gauge loco, but it's a prime example of what most S gaugers sought to avoid by being S gaugers in the first place. "Chuck, you whining simp!" you might be thinking. "Lookit the bright side. We will have better power trucks on the Alco PAs! And suppose Lionel finally makes that SD40 they promised last century. They'll already have the truck tooling done. THINK of the possibilities!" Yeah, maybe. Of course, we'll all be expected to empty the shelves of this "SD9" before it even goes into production, just to "encourage" Lionel to THINK about doing a proper SD-something-or-other in the future. Maybe. If we're all good little S gaugers. Sigh. The old pattern resumes at Lionel, and normal breathing continues here. Thank God for SHS and AM. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37254	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Photo review of the New AF SD-9

In a message dated 11/10/2005 3:01:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, jayhoo64@... writes: "Look at the bright side." I shall. The new Mikado makes up for a number of sins. ;-) And, Carl, thanks for the review. Because I do not own an SD9, your comprehensive review was informative and interesting. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37255	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Photo review of the New AF SD-9

Carl, Your review mentioned the Alco PA's. Are you saying that the new Pennsy PA's have 6 wheel trucks? -Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@w...> wrote: > > I have posted a Photo Review of the new AF SD-9 at: > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9/SD-9.htm > > Enjoy, > > Carl > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37256	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Photo review of the New AF SD-9

Bruce, Yes the Alco PAs now have six wheel trucks! They also have a new style chassis and the improved power pickups. Nice running engines. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Bruce D. Willis [mailto:willisbd@...] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Photo review of the New AF SD-9 Carl, Your review mentioned the Alco PA's. Are you saying that the new Pennsy PA's have 6 wheel trucks? -Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@w...> wrote: > > I have posted a Photo Review of the new AF SD-9 at: > http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9/SD-9.htm > > Enjoy, > > Carl > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37257	From: N Becker	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone

The software assumes a perfect tight fit on each section of track. We all know this will not happen. The version I last used allowed you to customize for this. Anyway, it it a great tool to figure out in general what your layout will look like and which pieces of track are needed. You will Always need to cut track to make things work out correctly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Re: RRTrack.com software anyone? Hi BG1 > The >software is not very accurate and the track sections don't mate up >precisely anyway, so I wouldn't trust the software to figure out the >custom cuts. Really now. Looks like you use RRTrack.com software. I would have thought that system is very close to bang on the dot. For me, the main line loop physically laid out not needing a cut, and that is basically what this thing thought as well. But around the diamond it went crazy. Thus I would not trust it to figure out the straight cuts for the inside passing siding... which I think that is all the cuts I need to figure out. Ah well, tape measure, square, get some marks on the board to keep things square to the table and see what it says the custom lengths need to be. I am seeking not having the track to do any fuge work. Parallel main lines that actually are. I have enough track - having been preparing / collecting for a much larger layout - that only grade A #1 track is going down, and oh my do things operate well already! :-) Eat your heart out Lionel Scout set! (Well, my 300 AC as well unfortunately!) Can't be an AF Northern for a main line steam engine! Thanks! Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37258	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: BOX NUMBERS

2 BOB'S...... BUBECK AND TUFTS...... Has anyone ever tried to figure what cars go in what boxes when the numbers dont match....... I know most 3 and 5 didget cars and boxes will match..... But when they went to 5 didget numbers....with old 3 didget cars...They apparently used totally diff numbers.....neither 3 or 5... I just got a like new 20460 Yard King Set...... Most of the numbers match the cars..... 4 of the boxes are repro hand marked so I went looking thru my boxes...... I found and what is a 24408 Refr?.... neede a 24403 box...... what goes in a 24006, the 913 ??? ....seen 2 on ebay lately..... Maybe we can start a new list which can evolve into another book...... Bob Conner...... THANKS GUYS...... If you guys and gals will send me BOX numbers and CAR numbers I will try to make a list...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37259	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: BOX NUMBERS

Bob, sometime back my friend Jack Fazenbacker compiled a list of the 1957 numbered boxes. These boxes had a 5 digit number stamped on it that did not match the car within. These numbers never matched any car at anytime. I think another collector by the name of Eric Hundermark compiled a list of similar numbered boxes. Either the second or third edition of the Greenberg S ga. book listed many of these numbers, I will have to look. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37260	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: BOX NUMBERS

Some uncataloged sets and some uncommon cars, were packaged in red and white boxes the numbers written by hand in blue ink pen. This was done at the factory. One example are the five digit passenger cars that went in the uncataloged set # 20193 in 1960 that came with the 21813 M&St.L Baldwin. These cars were hand numbered on the boxes, 24867,24869 and 24868. I have seen the done on 5 digit orange stripe cars also. These have been overlooked by some, thinking that this had be done at a later time by someone having access to some blank original boxes. If you have enough of the box examples you will see that the hand written numbers almost always match. Looks like the same person at the factory wrote all the numbers. I have had three sets of the boxes over the years and all the hand written numbers matched. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37261	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Boxes

Just ran across some more......what goes in them???? 24075 up stock 24025 c of g box 24108 pipe 24515 lumber 24115 gon 24535 piggy back Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37262	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2005
Subject: Re: Boxes

Bob, let me get back to you on these, I think I know right now but want to be sure. Maybe someone else will beat me to it. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37263	From: clifma19	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: 312 question

On the 312, should the marker lights (jewels) be red or green on the back of the tender? clifma19@... Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37264	From: James	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: 2004/5 A.F. Naughty and Nice Car's

Hi! All. Trying to find one each L/AF 6-48623 Naughty and Nice Car's. Ordered! But! Never delivered. Supplier said they were back logged. Still never received. Now! Trying something else. Maybe someone knows if there is one hiding an a shelf somewhere?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37265	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Waddel Coal hoppers

A week or so ago I got an S-Helper newsletter in the snail mail. In it was an announcement for (among other things) a Waddel Coal company hopper car. I looked on the website and saw it was availible in two numbers, but was already sold out. Two questions...Was this a real coal company? And how could it already be sold out when it was just announced? Stumpy Stone...lost in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37266	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Allentown "First Frost" Train Meet

Gonna be lots of S-Gauge at Allentown, PA this weekend. One little corner of Ag Hall (Fairgrounds) around tables NS-5 & 6 features Tom Beil, Joe Fisher, Chuck Race and myself. We are close to the Snack Bar in the "New" section. Of course we'll all be visiting Freddie Jester inside the front doors of the Main Hall for our Flyer parts. Should be lots of other Flyer there as well. Hope to see you there, I'll have some attractively priced S-HELPER SERVICE and maybe even some FLYONEL, in addition to lots of other goodies Jim "livin' on the S-Gauge Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37267	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: 355 Mounting Hole Crack Repair

Hello All, I have a 355 with the typical crack at the body mounting hole. In addition the small strip of plastic below the hole is missing. What is the best way to repair this damage? I am considering attaching a thin metal plate to the inside of the body behind the hole for reinforcement, then using plastic strip to replace the missing strip. I'm sure some of you have already made repairs to 355s, so I wanted to get some lessons learned before I reinvent the wheel. Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37268	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re: Waddell Coal hoppers

Dear Stumpy, Yes, this was a real company in the Eastern PA area. I found a photo of three of these cars on a coal dock in a Morning Sun book about Eastern PA (I think it was the Scranton, PA book). Being a rather obscure coal company, we did not make that many. Big mistake as I underestimated the demand Big Time. These cars were announce this past summer and our webmaster Bill Clark added them to our website. Sometime in September we noticed that they were oversold. I tried to have more produced, but it was too late, all of the bodies had been painted. We even thought about having some of the painted bodies re-painted, but they were not able to match the color as the undercoated effected the final shade of the car. Right now we are planning a second run of these cars to fill all of our back orders. Once I know when to expect these cars, I will ask Bill Clark to allow orders on the internet again. I want to apologies, but this is something new to us, to have an item sell out months before it arrives. These cars as well as the other hoppers, are now on the water and are expected the week after Thanksgiving. The other hoppers include a C&O USRA. We had sold out of the C&O composite and panel side cars so we thought this was a good choice. Even more so now with the recent delivery of the C&O artriculated steam engine from River Raisin. A fourth run of PRR compositie cars. Not sure why, but these sell out first each time we have run them. This time we are making a post WWII version of the ball herald lettering with the slogan "BUY WAR BONDS" painted out. We selected a weathered red oxide for the body color with the fresh paint color to paint out the slogan for a war that was over. The 4th hopper is the MEC 2005 Christmas Car with a now covered coal load. We still have a few Christmas cars left. Cars can be seen at: http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/USRAHoppers/usrahoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/OffsetHoppers/offsethoppers_in_stock.html http://www.showcaseline.com/Hoppers/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers_in_stock.html Best regards, Don Stumpy Stone wrote: >A week or so ago I got an S-Helper newsletter in the snail mail. In >it was an announcement for (among other things) a Waddel Coal company >hopper car. I looked on the website and saw it was availible in two >numbers, but was already sold out. > Two questions...Was this a real coal company? And how could it >already be sold out when it was just announced? > Stumpy Stone...lost in Appalachia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37269	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 13, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37270	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re;re;Waddell Coal hoppers

Hey, y'all...I got an answer both here on the group and directly from Don Thompson and Bill Clark in e-mail. This is an example of their usual fine S-Helper Service! I'll be more attentive to their website in the future! Stumpy Stone...still lost in Appalachia, but a bit wiser.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37271	From: T Larson	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Johnny Lightning

People occasionally ask whether JL vehicles are truly S scale. I saw a huge selection at ToysRUs yesterday; sadly, most are undersize, a few are oversize, but there actually are several that are Just Right (or very close to it). I just found this link that shows 3 that are very close to exact S scale. http://www.diecastexpress.com/shopping/prod_directory/main.asp?uid=497155AE-1910-43E3-B644-B3907C75CD72-9867047&catID=10645&maincatID=10462 The 1956 Ford van shown at http://www.diecastexpress.com/shopping/prod_directory/main.asp?uid=497155AE-1910-43E3-B644-B3907C75CD72-9867047&catID=10638&maincatID=10462 is exact S scale and looks REAL nice in Coke colors. Also close are their 1960 Nash Metropolitan (slightly oversize but WAY CUTE), WWII Jeep, 1955 Chev pickup, 1940 Ford PU, and 1976 Dodge van. http://www.diecastexpress.com/shopping/prod_directory/main.asp?uid=497155AE-1910-43E3-B644-B3907C75CD72-9867047&catID=10610&maincatID=10462 Ted Larson Don't believe everything you think!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37272	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning

All of the JL vehicles Ted mentioned can be seen alongside an S scale human figure at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo01 There are more than 56 pix of cars and trucks in that album, but the items in question aren't difficult to find. As for the Metropolitan, viewing the pic in the album will illustrate that it is more than just a little oversize. Given that real Metros are very small, the JL rendering is about the size of a 1/64 scale '99 Honda Civic. Too bad. As Ted said, it's a very nice model. That said, more of JL's renderings are actually 1/64 than I once thought. For instance, their '68 Camaro is almost dead-on 1/64. An example of it is shown in the album Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37273	From: larryasp	Date: 11/11/2005
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Johnny Lightning

If you want a neat one for your layout - get thier Monopoly 1940 Ford van which has "Reading Railroad" on the doors. Got one for 99cents off the "eplace" the other day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Larson" <mhrreast@...> To: "S Scale" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Johnny Lightning > People occasionally ask whether JL vehicles are truly S scale. I saw a > huge selection at ToysRUs yesterday; sadly, most are undersize, a few > are oversize, but there actually are several that are Just Right (or > very close to it). I just found this link that shows 3 that are very > close to exact S scale. > http://www.diecastexpress.com/shopping/prod_directory/main.asp?uid=497155AE-1910-43E3-B644-B3907C75CD72-9867047&catID=10645&maincatID=10462 > The 1956 Ford van shown at > http://www.diecastexpress.com/shopping/prod_directory/main.asp?uid=497155AE-1910-43E3-B644-B3907C75CD72-9867047&catID=10638&maincatID=10462 > is exact S scale and looks REAL nice in Coke colors. > > Also close are their 1960 Nash Metropolitan (slightly oversize but WAY > CUTE), WWII Jeep, 1955 Chev pickup, 1940 Ford PU, and 1976 Dodge van. > http://www.diecastexpress.com/shopping/prod_directory/main.asp?uid=497155AE-1910-43E3-B644-B3907C75CD72-9867047&catID=10610&maincatID=10462 > > Ted Larson > > Don't believe everything you think! > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37274	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Monopoly 1940 Ford van

***((((If you want a neat one for your layout - get thier Monopoly 1940 Ford van which has "Reading Railroad" on the doors. Got one for 99cents off the "eplace" the other day.)))**** Yep, that's a nice one. I got it a while back. Wasn't for .99 cents though. :^( Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37275	From: t.hawley	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: The American Models 4-8-4 loco (high-rail version)

We stopped at American Models on the way to Carmel (IN) last week and saw a scale and a high-rail pre-production ATSF 4-8-4 loco. They had the high-rail version running around on a test-track. I'm no steam loco expert, but it looked good to me. And it smoked well. With its blind (un-flanged) center drivers, it ran nicely on a test track with AF-sharp curves. They were also testing it on a track composed of AF curved sections alternatingly reversed, back an forth, and the results were not perfect, but they thought they could loosen it up to pass that test. That's a test though that it's not likely to encounter on most people's layouts. The engine with tender is 23 inches long and will require a turntable of at least 21 inches, with overhang clearance, to turn it. I think we'll be able to see them at the fall S fest in South Beloit next weekend. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37276	From: jt12313	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: UP centennial s scale calculation-98 ft =?

I keep intending to build a UP Centennial out of available Flyer parts (two geep shells), strip plastic, available detail parts and making various compromises for the lack of say, eight wheel trucks... How big would the thing be? I'm figuring around 18 inches or so from coupler to coupler Would the thing actually navigate the standard flyer curve?? This may be my winter monster garage project, sure it CAN be done but why:) Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37277	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: NORTHERN

Anyone know what the LTI Northern's retail price will be? Thank's in advance, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37278	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Allentown "First Frost" Train Meet

In a message dated 11/11/2005 9:43:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes: Gonna be lots of S-Gauge at Allentown, PA this weekend. One little corner of Ag Hall (Fairgrounds) around tables NS-5 & 6 features Tom Beil, Joe Fisher, Chuck Race and myself. We are close to the Snack Bar in the "New" section. Of course we'll all be visiting Freddie Jester inside the front doors of the Main Hall for our Flyer parts. Should be lots of other Flyer there as well. Hope to see you there, I'll have some attractively priced S-HELPER SERVICE and maybe even some FLYONEL, in addition to lots of other goodies Jim "livin' on the S-Gauge Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Last one there's a rotten egg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37279	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: 112 Station

Hello friends, While I am an AF collector rather than Lionel, I was following the thread about the Lionel 112 and Asbury Park stations with somewhat detached interest until I saw Arthur Bloom's post of the picture of the real Asbury Park depot at the first link below: http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylbasburypark.jpg I immediately thought of our own 1918 vintage depot here in Salem, Oregon. Here are some pix from the same angle as the Asbury Park Pic: http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/mvc-447f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28e/mvc-523f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28e/mvc-520f.jpg Other views of the Salem Depot: http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/mvc-448f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/mvc-449f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/mvc-450f.jpg http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot3.jpg http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot2.jpg I am sure this is a classic design found in many small towns wanting impressive depots back in the heyday of rail travel. Interesting that the design traveled nearly intact clear across the United States. While not the duplicate of the 112, one of these grand stations in a small "wanna be" town had to have been an the inspiration to the Lionel designers as sure as the many suburban frame stations were honored by Gilbert's ubiquitous Mystic station. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37280	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning

Actually, I meant to say there are over 56 PAGES of cars + trucks in the album. Pages, not pix. Yeah, pages.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37281	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Johnny Lightning & other S vehicles

56 PAGES of cheap S scale (or close) vehicles! Yep, that's pretty cool, especially for a car guy like me. Having "Bert, the 1/64 scale cop" standing beside each vehicle gives you a really good idea of whether the vehicle is scale or not. However, even then the photos can be deceptive as many of the cars have chopped tops or are channeled (body lowered over the chassis) or sectioned(body sliced longways and welded back together to lower side profile.) Making them stock appearing again may or may not be possible. If all you have to do is block up the body to stock height and repaint them, that's easy. But where do you get stock wheels? Of course you have to decide what you are willing to accept as to size and proportion problems. Most toy companies make cars this small to fit their molds and packaging, not to scale. On a different note; Has anyone had any experiance with the metal car kits by Reviresco or Railmaster Exports? How hard are they to assemble? Are they proportioned and scaled pretty well? I'm thinking I should have at least a few "correct" cars on my layout. Stumpy Stone...reving up my engine in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37282	From: beebear	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Switch numbers

What is the determining factors for switch numbers? ex #5, #6 etc John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37283	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: S - Trains and NE Fla., SE Ga.

Surveying to see if there is interest in starting a S-Train Division in the metro-Jacksonville area. There are several S gaugers in Jacksonville and want to see if others in area are interested Thank you. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37284	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 112 Station

Hi Alan, These photos are delightful. Since those two stations are clearly of a size that would fit on a model railroad and since you have collected some prototypical (and kit bashing) information, it would be good to post your note on the S-Scale list, too. If you are not a part of that group, give me permission and I'll do it. Thanks, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan and Sherry Bennett Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 112 Station Hello friends, While I am an AF collector rather than Lionel, I was following the thread about the Lionel 112 and Asbury Park stations with somewhat detached interest until I saw Arthur Bloom's post of the picture of the real Asbury Park depot at the first link below: http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylbasburypark.jpg I immediately thought of our own 1918 vintage depot here in Salem, Oregon. Here are some pix from the same angle as the Asbury Park Pic: http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28 s/mvc-447f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28 e/mvc-523f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28 e/mvc-520f.jpg Other views of the Salem Depot: http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28 s/mvc-448f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28 s/mvc-449f.jpg http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28 s/mvc-450f.jpg http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot3.jpg http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot2.jpg I am sure this is a classic design found in many small towns wanting impressive depots back in the heyday of rail travel. Interesting that the design traveled nearly intact clear across the United States. While not the duplicate of the 112, one of these grand stations in a small "wanna be" town had to have been an the inspiration to the Lionel designers as sure as the many suburban frame stations were honored by Gilbert's ubiquitous Mystic station. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37285	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Bulk Unpainted Figures in S From Preiser?

The most recent Model Railroader (12/05) on p. 73 has a listing of Preiser unpainted figures in bulk for S scale: - 72510 1925 civilian Flight crew (pkg of 36) - 72512 people standing/walking (pkg 25) - 72513 People in uniform (pkg of 24) I seem to recall seeing them in a catalogue and noting that due to their uniforms, they would require some modification for use in a railroad situation. The MR article, of course, discusses the subject of figure modification. Has anyone had any experience with them? (Perhaps someone can also answer why - of all the possible groupings in the world - Preiser would pick a 1925 civilian flight crew: "unique choice" would be an understatement) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37286	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 112 Station

Alan, and all, Not an expert on depots (or anything else, really), but from my long association with Union Station Kansas City, and especially since the restoration, I think that classic design was popularized by architects like Jarvis Hunt, USKC station designer. Those high, arching windows and columns are typical beaux arts and European influence. To see what I am getting at, please take a look at some of my photos at www.unionstationphotos.com. Little tidbit from the station's re-opening in 1999: I am walking behind a woman pushing a baby stroller, who turns and asks her husband "Why did they make it so big?" As politely as I could reply, considering she wasn't really asking me, I said "Because when travelers arrived at Kansas City, Jarvis Hunt wanted them to know they had indeed come to someplace very special." And I think it was so in the smaller communities as well. Plus, as we are all keenly aware, back in those days, railroads ran the country, not Wal-Mart. Passenger trains were how people moved around the country, were the showcases of the power of the likes of the Pensy, AT&SF, Southern Pacific, and all the rest. In Kansas City, Jarvis Hunt built the people a monument that will stand 1,000 years. Just IMHO... Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:16:10 -0800 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] 112 Station > > Hello friends, > > While I am an AF collector rather than Lionel, I was following the thread > about the Lionel 112 and Asbury Park stations with somewhat detached interest > until I saw Arthur Bloom's post of the picture of the real Asbury Park depot > at the first link below: > > http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylbasburypark.jpg > > I immediately thought of our own 1918 vintage depot here in Salem, Oregon. > Here are some pix from the same angle as the Asbury Park Pic: > > http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ > mvc-447f.jpg > > http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28e/ > mvc-523f.jpg > > http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28e/ > mvc-520f.jpg > > Other views of the Salem Depot: > > http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ > mvc-448f.jpg > > http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ > mvc-449f.jpg > > http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ > mvc-450f.jpg > > http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot3.jpg > > http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot2.jpg > > I am sure this is a classic design found in many small towns wanting > impressive depots back in the heyday of rail travel. Interesting that the > design traveled nearly intact clear across the United States. > > While not the duplicate of the 112, one of these grand stations in a small > "wanna be" town had to have been an the inspiration to the Lionel designers as > sure as the many suburban frame stations were honored by Gilbert's ubiquitous > Mystic station. > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37287	From: Robert King	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE

A dealer told me that the UP Northern will cost $450.00, but that may be a preorder price. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37288	From: Phil K	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Removing Matchbox frames

Re: Matchbox vehicles Is there a trick to pulling the body off the frame for repainting without damaging the frame or car body? I have some nice period vehicles for my steam-diesel transition era layout, but some of them have those outrageous customization decals/paint that I want to cover up. Others like Ford Model As have fenders of a different color, which is not the way Henry pumped them off the assembly line. Also, after removing the frame, how to re-attach after painting? Is there a way to reconfigure low-riders to stock height? So many questions. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37289	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: Removing Matchbox frames

If all you need to remove is the Logos such as with the Coca Cola series a Q-tip and laquer thinner will usually remove them without damaging the body paint. Be careful of the trim paint though, as that will come off too. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Phil K Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Removing Matchbox frames Re: Matchbox vehicles Is there a trick to pulling the body off the frame for repainting without damaging the frame or car body? I have some nice period vehicles for my steam-diesel transition era layout, but some of them have those outrageous customization decals/paint that I want to cover up. Others like Ford Model As have fenders of a different color, which is not the way Henry pumped them off the assembly line. Also, after removing the frame, how to re-attach after painting? Is there a way to reconfigure low-riders to stock height? So many questions. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37290	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: Phoot review of the New AF SD-9

Did anyone count the rivets ? I think it is great and for a TOY, they are about sold out. The SD 40 would have been nice. jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote: Many thanx for the photo, Carl! You saved me much seaching at Lionel's website. I'll probably be flamed for "bashing" Lionel, but I'm past caring about such things. This is one sorry excuse for an SD9. It's just a GP7 with 3 axle trucks! 8^0 Apparently, Lionel management has downsized any S savvy people that they might have employed right out of the company. They might get away with this stubby "SD9" design if it was an 0 gauge loco, but it's a prime example of what most S gaugers sought to avoid by being S gaugers in the first place. "Chuck, you whining simp!" you might be thinking. "Lookit the bright side. We will have better power trucks on the Alco PAs! And suppose Lionel finally makes that SD40 they promised last century. They'll already have the truck tooling done. THINK of the possibilities!" Yeah, maybe. Of course, we'll all be expected to empty the shelves of this "SD9" before it even goes into production, just to "encourage" Lionel to THINK about doing a proper SD-something-or-other in the future. Maybe. If we're all good little S gaugers. Sigh. The old pattern resumes at Lionel, and normal breathing continues here. Thank God for SHS and AM. Chuck F. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37291	From: John Foley	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Ballston Loco Works

Hi Folks Does anyone know anything about Ballston Loco Works? Are they still in business? Or having problems. Please let me know John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37292	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 112 Station

Hello Roy, Great pictures. You are an artist. Thank you for your comments. The 112 Lionel station discussion actually had begun on the Toy Train List, but I am glad a fellow S Gauger found my comments interesting. Obviously Kansas City is much larger than Salem and truly needed a "Union" station. Fortunately, to the extent allowed by the federal government, the Salem station is still seeing Amtrak trains daily including the "Coast Starlight" and the Eugene, OR to Seattle, WA "Cascade". Kansas City looks like Washington DC's Union Station which my son has seen and brought me back a book about its history and restoration. Salem, being the capital of Oregon, I am sure also wanted to make a big statement for its size with the gateway structure for the arrival of most who came here. If you want to see what I dabble in and have not yet done so, go to http://s-scale.org/albums/albup36 We only had room for the pre-1918 depot on this layout. I have some more pictures from an October show I hope to post eventually. Thanks again, Alan Bennett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 112 Station > Alan, and all, > Not an expert on depots (or anything else, really), but from my long > association with Union Station Kansas City, and especially since the > restoration, I think that classic design was popularized by architects > like > Jarvis Hunt, USKC station designer. Those high, arching windows and > columns > are typical beaux arts and European influence. To see what I am getting > at, > please take a look at some of my photos at www.unionstationphotos.com. > Little tidbit from the station's re-opening in 1999: I am walking behind a > woman pushing a baby stroller, who turns and asks her husband "Why did > they > make it so big?" As politely as I could reply, considering she wasn't > really > asking me, I said "Because when travelers arrived at Kansas City, Jarvis > Hunt wanted them to know they had indeed come to someplace very special." > And I think it was so in the smaller communities as well. Plus, as we are > all keenly aware, back in those days, railroads ran the country, not > Wal-Mart. Passenger trains were how people moved around the country, were > the showcases of the power of the likes of the Pensy, AT&SF, Southern > Pacific, and all the rest. > In Kansas City, Jarvis Hunt built the people a monument that will stand > 1,000 years. > Just IMHO... > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > >> From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> >> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:16:10 -0800 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [S-Trains] 112 Station >> >> Hello friends, >> >> While I am an AF collector rather than Lionel, I was following the thread >> about the Lionel 112 and Asbury Park stations with somewhat detached >> interest >> until I saw Arthur Bloom's post of the picture of the real Asbury Park >> depot >> at the first link below: >> >> http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylbasburypark.jpg >> >> I immediately thought of our own 1918 vintage depot here in Salem, >> Oregon. >> Here are some pix from the same angle as the Asbury Park Pic: >> >> http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ >> mvc-447f.jpg >> >> http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28e/ >> mvc-523f.jpg >> >> http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28e/ >> mvc-520f.jpg >> >> Other views of the Salem Depot: >> >> http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ >> mvc-448f.jpg >> >> http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ >> mvc-449f.jpg >> >> http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/year2002/04/2002d28s/ >> mvc-450f.jpg >> >> http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot3.jpg >> >> http://www.nwvirtualtransit.com/tours/cascades/salemdepot2.jpg >> >> I am sure this is a classic design found in many small towns wanting >> impressive depots back in the heyday of rail travel. Interesting that >> the >> design traveled nearly intact clear across the United States. >> >> While not the duplicate of the 112, one of these grand stations in a >> small >> "wanna be" town had to have been an the inspiration to the Lionel >> designers as >> sure as the many suburban frame stations were honored by Gilbert's >> ubiquitous >> Mystic station. >> >> Alan Bennett >> Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37293	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE

I believe I saw a Chas. Ro advertisement for the new "Challenger" at $350.00. Check his web site. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37294	From: t.hawley	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Shilling for American Models

In my recent message about the American Models 4-8-4, I ommitted two items. First, those delivered with a coal tender will have the same tender the AM Pacific has, with three-axle trucks. Secondly, I am a retailer for AM, and so you have to take that into account when I speak well of the product. Tom Hawley Michigan Models Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37295	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: 2 new Northerns - Lionel and American Models

It is exciting to hear that there are 2 New Northerns about to be released, one will be from Lionel a recreation of the Gilbert Northern, with Railsounds BUT NO TMCC. The all together new Scake American Model Northern will have greater detail and a Whistle and bell with a conventional Choo Choo Sound. I have seen the Lionel version listed for around $375.00 to 400.00, and the American Model priced around $ 400.00 depends on the sound system. This with the anticipated 2-8-0 Consolidation by S helper gives the s Gauge world alot to look forward to. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37296	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: C ROE

Anyone have Charles Roe's web address. Thank You, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37297	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: C RO AND SHAMELESS AD

Thanks to all .... I did find his web site after finding my spelling got me again it's Ro not Roe as many of you who are laughing already know :) Mike ( I think that's how you spell it) I found a lighter box to ship my fluid in so a 4oz bottle with dropper is now $12.50 Order today to avoide the holiday rush :) ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37298	From: briggsmodels	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Briggs Models speeder project

Hello all, I would like to thank everyone that has reserved one or more of our speeder models. The cut off for reservations is 12:01 am on the 16th of November, so you still have time to get your reservation in if you would like to. Briggs Models has instituted a pre-paid discount option for payment. Please see our website for more details. http://members.shaw.ca/briggsmodels/ Thank you! Jeff Briggs Briggs Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37299	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: C ROE

It is : http://www.charlesro.com/ Note: spelling of last name has no "e". Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] C ROE > Anyone have Charles Roe's web address. Thank You, Mike > > ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave. > Medford, Ore. 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37300	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: Switch numbers

Hi John, It is a way of measuring the angle at which the tracks diverge. A number 6 turnout (really a #6 frog) diverges one unit for each unit of distance. A number 5 turnout diverges a little faster since it takes only 5 units of distance to diverge one unit. If you love trigonometry, you can figure the angle in radians or degrees by using the arctangent function with the frog number. The slope (which is another way to describe the frog number) is easier to calculate in the real world than the degrees would be. Good Luck, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of beebear Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 8:04 AM To: S-group Subject: [S-Trains] Switch numbers What is the determining factors for switch numbers? ex #5, #6 etc John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37301	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: The Pits News Advert from Pine Canyon

Hi Gang, Its the PITS. We have posted our new Pits for Coal, Cinders and Gravel. These new pits are supplied ready to install on your layout. They feature real coal. Just install and add some weeds around, hopefully better than what I did for the quickie pics. Also, we are still stuffing boxes for firehouse kits and hope to be caught up with all orders this week. Then we will start on tooling restoration for the Toxic Terminal. We have had many requests for this kit, so its our project for November. Should be able to ship near the end of the month or so. Here is a link to The Pits http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/pits.htm Keeping busy and always thinking of your S-needs, Keith Blanchard http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37302	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets

Hi, I'm thinking about changing from O gauge to S. Could any of you provide infomation about the SHS starter sets, the quality, performance etc? Thanks! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37303	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: Doug - changing from O to S Gauge

Doug you have come to the right person, after 40 years of O gauge 3 railing it, I saw the light and converted a little over a year ago and have been more than completely satisfied. Great products out there now for S guagers, I love them all,S Helper,American Model, and Lionel American Flyer all our super. S Gauge is the best gauge, the right size and just a great scale to have as a model railroad. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37304	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock

This weekend I started a long-overdue cleaning of my track. That, of course, got me to thinking about cleaning the wheels on my engines and rolling stock. Which caused me to realize that I had gotten out of the habit of cleaning the wheels of cars when I buy them. So I started cleaning wheels. It didn't take long to get tired of scrubbing to remove years of caked-on grime! I decided to try soaking them in an alcohol bath for a while. (Obviously, I removed them from the cars first!) I find that 45 minutes will soften up all but the worst grime. It works great, but a thought struck me: could that be doing any long-term damage to the wheels or axles? Does anybody have any experience with that? I'd like your feedback before I do too many cars. Also, Roger Zuerlein told me he drags a piece of masonite under a tank car to keep his track clean. Clever idea! My first reaction was concern that it might over time smoothe down the tracks so much that I'd lose traction on the hill, but then I remembered the SnS boxcar track cleaner so I figure masonite can't do much damage since it is so much softer than the metal rails. Do you all have any thoughts? Is it as good an idea as I think it is? Thanks for your help. Bob --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37305	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: Passenger car lighting

Interesting thought. Did anyone answer offline? I'd like to hear what you learned, if anything. Since there is no way to get power from a conventional Gilbert transformer to the car, the only way I can think of is an internal battery, but you'd also have to install a switch to turn them on and off. Sounds like a good enhancement for TMCC! bw_hansen <hansenbw@...> wrote: Is there an available schematic or kit for a constant lighting set-up for the 96X series of AF passenger cars? Thanks. Bruce S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37306	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: re;Cleaning wheels on rolling stock

I used to clean wheels with a Dremel tool with a wire brush attachment. It's quick, but creates dust and grit, so protect your eyes. Wiping with an alcohal soaked rag doesn't seem to hurt anything, and the alky evaporates quickly. Soaking for 45 minutes in alky will probably be okay with the hard plastic of Flyer wheels. As to dragging the masonite under a car for track cleaning...John Allen, a very well known model railroader of the fifties and sixties, originated this. He had a massive HO empire in his basement, all hand laid with brass rail. He had several cars equipped with masonite "draggers" and ran them in trains during every operating session. Some of his railroad had pretty stout grades and there were no problems reported. I've made these in N, HO, On30, O, and now S gauge, in this case a salvaged 633 boxcar. The masonite square goes rough side down, with the edges filed so no square edges of masonite will catch on swithes. Two roofing nails are glued to it on the smooth side which extend up through the car floor and are able to freely slide up and down. These nails are alighned with the car center line, so you can go forward or backward without removing the dragger. Usually no weight needs be added to the masonite to have it work. Stumpy Stone...it paid to read Dad's Model Railroaders back in the fifties...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37307	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 13, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37308	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/13/2005
Subject: Re: re;Cleaning wheels on rolling stock

CLR works well on cleaning wheels. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37309	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: files and phots room.

I tried today to add a file to the photos section and it appears that we are totally out of room for files and photos. Listkeeper? Should some space be cleaned out. eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37310	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: BOX NUMBERS

Bob, these are the numbers on the cars that went in those boxes, lets start this list. Harwood Just ran across some more......what goes in them???? 24075 up stock - 994 24025 c of g box - 981 24108 pipe - 911 24515 lumber - 928 24115 gon - 920 24535 piggy back - 956 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37311	From: RCESpeak	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock

Robert Graves wrote: >This weekend I started a long-overdue cleaning of my track. That, of course, got me to thinking about cleaning the wheels on my engines and rolling stock. Which caused me to realize that I had gotten out of the habit of cleaning the wheels of cars when I buy them. So I started cleaning wheels. It didn't take long to get tired of scrubbing to remove years of caked-on grime! > >I decided to try soaking them in an alcohol bath for a while. (Obviously, I removed them from the cars first!) I find that 45 minutes will soften up all but the worst grime. It works great, but a thought struck me: could that be doing any long-term damage to the wheels or axles? Does anybody have any experience with that? I'd like your feedback before I do too many cars. > >Also, Roger Zuerlein told me he drags a piece of masonite under a tank car to keep his track clean. Clever idea! My first reaction was concern that it might over time smoothe down the tracks so much that I'd lose traction on the hill, but then I remembered the SnS boxcar track cleaner so I figure masonite can't do much damage since it is so much softer than the metal rails. Do you all have any thoughts? Is it as good an idea as I think it is? > >Thanks for your help. > >Bob > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Bob, I am engaging in the same activity as you - at the same time. Having removed all engines and rolling stock from my layout and packed them away in preparation for hurricane Wilma, I decided to clean all track and wheels before returning it all to the layout. My experience in grime remover for track and wheels is that Goo Gone works really well no matter how grimy the track and wheels are. For track, I apply the Goo Gone with Q-Tips - oh, maybe 20 pieces of track at a time. After letting it sit a moment (usually the first is ready after applying it to the 20th), I run a scotch brite pad over the rail (no scratches with scotch brite) and then put an old, white sock on my hand and give a final wipe. Track is so clean it almost sparkles. You're right, no sense in running engines and rolling stock with dirty wheels on clean track. The process is almost the same for wheels. Apply Goo Gone with a Q-Tip to the wheels, let it sit a moment or two and then wipe off with a clean Q-Tip. If the wheels are really grimy, it may take 2 applications to get all the gunk off. Occasionally I'll inherit an engine that's wheels haven't been cleaned in many years and it is a sad case. I may stoop to running an emery board (the lighter side) over the wheels to remove built up gunk. Works like a charm (apply Goo Gone first to soften) and the width of the emery board is great for getting into tight spots. Happy cleaning.... Barb PS I must admit to using WD40 and scotch brite with an alcohol rinse before I discovered Goo Gone and if track were really bad. This was done mostly to track before putting it on my layout. I never use WD40 and alcohol on the wheels of my engines nor rolling stock.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37312	From: skipkendel	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Layout Construction

After a hiatus of more than three years, construction resumed on the benchwork for my layout last week. With the much appreciated help from my friend from Tulsa, the benchwork was completed in three evenings. I have posted pictures in my album at Paul Yorke's S- Scale.org web site. http://s-scale.org/albums/LayoutConstruction For simplicity's sake, I'm going with flat, plywood tops to the tables. The plywood has been installed, and I'll post pictures of that later. As time allows this week, I hope to lay some track. I'll be using original American Flyer track mounted on Flyer rubber roadbed. I retrieved my stash of roadbed from the closet and ran it through the dishwasher, as discussed on this list a few months ago. It came out remarkably clean, and soft and supple as new roadbed. I find, however, that I'm about 30-40 pieces short of having enough to do the track plan I have in mind. So, I'll be looking on eBay and elsewhere for more roadbed to finish this project. Skip K Little Rock, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37313	From: kennebunk2002	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Attaching track

Can anyone suggest the best way to attach SHS flex Track to a cork roadbed?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37314	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Layout Construction

Skip, I am sure you are aware, but a guy makes and sells the repro stuff, and if you order a certain quantity (can't recall what that number is) you get a discount. Johnson's Roadbed it is called. It is new, and seems to work just as well as the AF, except that newer is more flexible. The drawback, of course, is price. I see the original AF in various degrees of condition for around .50 each. Johnson's lists at $2.00. Good luck :) Roy Inman > From: skipkendel <eagle-trains@...> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:29:19 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Construction > > After a hiatus of more than three years, construction resumed on the > benchwork for my layout last week. With the much appreciated help > from my friend from Tulsa, the benchwork was completed in three > evenings. I have posted pictures in my album at Paul Yorke's S- > Scale.org web site. > > http://s-scale.org/albums/LayoutConstruction > > For simplicity's sake, I'm going with flat, plywood tops to the > tables. The plywood has been installed, and I'll post pictures of > that later. > > As time allows this week, I hope to lay some track. I'll be using > original American Flyer track mounted on Flyer rubber roadbed. > > I retrieved my stash of roadbed from the closet and ran it through > the dishwasher, as discussed on this list a few months ago. It came > out remarkably clean, and soft and supple as new roadbed. I find, > however, that I'm about 30-40 pieces short of having enough to do > the track plan I have in mind. So, I'll be looking on eBay and > elsewhere for more roadbed to finish this project. > > Skip K > Little Rock, AR > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37315	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Yahoo photo space

Yahoo give this group very little photo space. (which is currently over quota) If you have pictures in the Yahoo picture space please consider moving or deleting them. You can move them to your site, your photo album, S-Trains albums or one of the other sites that offer photo space: Yahoo Albums http://www.yahoo.com/r/fo SnapFish http://www.snapfish.com/ PhotoSite http://www.photosite.com/ This online community will only work if we all make a contribution. Thanks for you efforts. Paul Yorke one of the S-Trains list moderators [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37316	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Attaching track

DAP adhesive caulk. On curves, a couple of spikes also maybe. > From: kennebunk2002 <kennebunk2002@...> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:31:42 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Attaching track > > Can anyone suggest the best way to attach SHS flex Track to a cork > roadbed? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37317	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock

Watch out for Goo Gone. One of our customers used this for cleaning our trucks by dropping them into the Goo Gone and then used a Q-tip on the wheels. In a few weeks the Delrin bearings wore out. It may have been the action of the ends of the axles on the bearings with the residual Goo Gone. I guess I am not sure how Goo Gone might effect the spikes on flex track. I would try to keep it away from plastic. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37318	From: Robert King	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert King" <robbyking@j...> wrote: A dealer told me that the UP Northern will cost $450.00, but that may be a preorder price. Robby I just checked the Lionel website and there is a picture of the UP 4-8-4 with the suggested retail price of $449.99, but there could be discounted prices which may require pre-order/ deposit. The 4-8-4 will say UNION PACIFIC on the tender instead of AMERICAN FLYER and UP shield, and it will include railsounds. The date listed is 2005, so I wonder when these will be available. It could come out sooner than AM's. Of course many collectors already have the AF version(s). The UP 4-8-4 could be a boost for S, because it will be brand new as opposed to used. Many people could be afraid to buy something almost fifty years old, as in an original (and difficult to find). The dealer from the Cape that I was talking to primarily sells O gauge, but he said he is going to get S for himself because of the two 4-8-4 locos being made and the fact that S is the perfect size. He plans to get both the AF and AM locos for himself. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37319	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE

In a message dated 11/14/2005 12:09:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, robbyking@... writes: The date listed is 2005, so I wonder when these will be available.It could come out sooner than AM's. May, 2006. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37320	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Cal Stewart Meet

I took my son to the Cal Stewart meet in Pasadena yesterday. He is six and this is his third meet there. The first year American Flyer was in short supply but this year and last there was a lot to see. Prices seemed to be very high particlarly when quality of the available items were considered. We bought a nice Gulf tank car for $20 from one vendor who had reasonably priced items. As a matter of comparison almost everyone else had these priced from $30 - $40 and sometimes in lesser grade. So price and availability of product always strikes me as an issue at this show. When I looked at the parents of other young kids you realize at a show like this that there is no chance that they will ever get into S guage because of this product / price issue. There were a few starter sets in O-guage for sale around the hall but as a parent looking for something for the kids they looked like antiques as opposed to something new. This strikes me as a mistake on the part of the dealers if they are trying to drum up interest in their product line. The demographics of the attendees is also noticably older than the general population. Lionel had a nice little display and even had a small group of their American Flyer trains on display presided over by a Mikado. They did not have these trains operating which I also thought was a mistake. At the other end of the hall they had a memorial American Flyer layout setup with a diesel passenger set poised to operate. Unfortunately in the four hours I was there it never ran. Once again too bad as every other guage was represented in the layout room in the back where the kids did gather and were having a ball. They even had a Shucco Disneyland monorail setup running two monorails simultaneously! Most importantly my son and I had a great time. He was very happy that he got a new tank car for his under the bed American Flyer layout and I managed to pick up the two key parts to get his Christmas present running in time for the holidays. S guage is such a great scale I can only hope that a little more can be done to promote it at shows like this. Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37321	From: tomminil@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: Cleaning the wheels on rolling stock

I used to clean wheel sets with a dremel wire brush, get the two wheels turning on the car then use a jewelers screwdriver to scrape away the goop from the wheel then clean with a an alcohol wipe. The wheel sets looked brand new. Tom Do not allow the alcohol to get on the car bodies. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37322	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: CLR is a corrosive

> CLR works well on cleaning wheels.< CLR -- Calcium, Lime and Rust Remover Health Effects The following information (Health Effects, Handling/Disposal, and Ingredients) is taken from the product label and/or the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) prepared by the manufacturer. The National Library of Medicine does not evaluate information from the product label or the Material Safety Data Sheet. Warning from Product Label: Warnings: Keep out of reach of children. Harmful if swallowed. Important Wear household rubber gloves. Always stand on a non-slip surface for all cleaning jobs. Do not use CLR on natural stone, marble, terrazzo, colored grout, painted or metallic glazed surfaces, plastic laminates, Formica, aluminum, copper, brass, steam irons, refinished tubs or any damaged or cracked surface. May etch old sinks, tubs and tiles. CLR may return older cement to its original white appearance. ***CLR is corrosive***. Avoid contact with wood, clothing, wallpaper and carpeting. Always test all surfaces in a small hidden area before use. Always avoid prolonged contact with any surface. After 2 minutes, rinse promptly and thoroughly with cold clean water. Danger Do not mix with other household chemicals or bleach as toxic fumes may result. Do not reuse empty bottle. Skin and eye irritant. Vapor may be harmful. Use in well ventilated area. In case of contact with skin or eyes, flush with cool water for 15 minutes. Call physician if irritation continues. If swallowed, do not induce vomiting; drink a glass of water, followed with milk. Call a physician immediately.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37323	From: Phil K	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Track cleaning -- Centerline Products

I use and can highly recommend a track cleaner sold by Centerline Products (Harmony, IL). I have had good success with it using both the recommended Goo Gone as well as 91% isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol). Great if you have tunnels or track that is hard to reach. Retails for $89 but I got mine from the manufacturer at the monthly DuPage show here in Chicagoland for about $60-$65 or so, if I recall. Here is a picture: http://www.centerline-products.com/images/products/S1.jpg From their website: It is a heavy brass unit with trucks designed to be pulled behind a locomotive. "The cleaner is a weighted absorbent roller that may be saturated with any of a wide variety of cleaning fluids (or may be used without fluids). The roller is guided along the rails by the frame of the cleaning car. The roller is allowed to "float" and gravity will press it firmly onto the rails. Because there is a small amount of drag concentrated in the roller, it will be slipping (slightly) even when turning. Rail grime is absorbed into the cleaning surface of the roller and removed from the rails (not just smeared around). "The fluid that remains on the rails (before evaporation) will loosen built-up dirt from the wheels of any locomotives and cars that follow. After several passes, the rails and wheels of all rolling stock should be electrically clean and free from wheel slippage." Here's their website: http://www.centerline-products.com Here's some info on fluids to use when cleaning track: http://www.centerline-products.com/cleaning.htm Don may be right about Goo Gone affecting bearings when trucks are soaked in it, but I've had no such problems in four years of using Goo Gone with the Centerline device exclusively to clean track. I also use it with isopropyl alcohol on occasion. In fact, Centerline uses Don's SHS trucks on its S version and mine still rolls great. I am amazed at the amount of gunk that it picks up, and I will change the absorbent material (those cloth disposable kitchen towels) frequently until it will run around my loops dry and stay clean. I also have noticed how sparkling clean the wheels on rolling stock are after one use. I have pulled this device behind 20 cars with wheels that need cleaning, thereby performing two cleaning operations at once. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37324	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Passenger car lighting

Years ago, sometime in the '90s, I saw an article in MR for a rechargeable battery system. What I remember is you would run the train for a little bit to charge the battery, once recharged; the lighting would run from the battery eliminating any flickering. I have searched the MR archives, but have not been able to find this article again. If any of you know of the article, I would appreciate hearing form you. Thanks, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37325	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/14/2005
Subject: Re: CLR is a corrosive

Phil, Thanks for the information, as it has been years, since I cleaned any wheels. I have a good friend who uses CLR, as I don't think he uses he in full concentration. I will have to ask how he uses this product. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] CLR is a corrosive > > CLR works well on cleaning wheels.< > > CLR -- Calcium, Lime and Rust Remover > > Health Effects > The following information (Health Effects, Handling/Disposal, and > Ingredients) is taken from the product label and/or the Material > Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) prepared by the manufacturer. The National > Library of Medicine does not evaluate information from the product > label or the Material Safety Data Sheet. > > Warning from > Product Label: Warnings: > Keep out of reach of children. Harmful if swallowed. > > Important > Wear household rubber gloves. Always stand on a non-slip surface for > all cleaning jobs. Do not use CLR on natural stone, marble, > terrazzo, colored grout, painted or metallic glazed surfaces, > plastic laminates, Formica, aluminum, copper, brass, steam irons, > refinished tubs or any damaged or cracked surface. May etch old > sinks, tubs and tiles. CLR may return older cement to its original > white appearance. ***CLR is corrosive***. Avoid contact with wood, > clothing, wallpaper and carpeting. Always test all surfaces in a > small hidden area before use. Always avoid prolonged contact with > any surface. After 2 minutes, rinse promptly and thoroughly with > cold clean water. > > Danger > Do not mix with other household chemicals or bleach as toxic fumes > may result. Do not reuse empty bottle. Skin and eye irritant. Vapor > may be harmful. Use in well ventilated area. In case of contact with > skin or eyes, flush with cool water for 15 minutes. Call physician > if irritation continues. If swallowed, do not induce vomiting; drink > a glass of water, followed with milk. Call a physician immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37326	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: naughty and nice

someone was looking for these http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-48623-Naughty-Nice-by-Lionel_W0QQitemZ6013755472QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37327	From: jt12313	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Kitbashing big diesel progress

Decided to built a DD35A only because it is about two inches shorter than a Centennial in S gauge (18 3/8 vs. 16 5/8 or so) built the shell deck out of sheet plastic and Baldwin repro steps Sunday. Will weld/braze a frame out of smaller gauge hobby steel box members and sheet steel when I get a chance, my torch is on the other side of the county. To save myself some fabricating time does anyone out there have any cracked up flyer gp 20 shells or AM gp 35 shells. I figured how to cut a geep 9 nose to get what I want but if I can find a GP 20 nose and cab... why do the surgery:) If you have any plastic bits please email me off list. Thanks Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37328	From: Robert King	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S PRICE

robbyking@j... writes: The date listed is 2005, so I wonder when these will be available. It could come out sooner than AM's. __________ May, 2006. Bob Bubeck __________ O.K. The Santa Fe will be shipping in January. I looked at the Classic Toy Trains magazine and Charles Ro listed the UP 4-8-4 at $374.95. The UP will be cheaper than the Santa Fe at $450.00; but I think it just depends on which one you prefer, if not both. The UP is an American Flyer classic. The Santa Fe will appeal to Santa Fe fans and scalers. I do not have a UP 4-8-4, and I would imagine that there are thousands of layouts in need of one. Lionel can probably sell thousands of these to existing collectors and the newcomers. I also think that the UP 4-8-4 is closer to scale than I originally thought. There has been a lot of confusion about this loco and about how it was supposed to look, and even the name of Challeger it was given. The 4-8-4 was really a Northern, the Challenger was a 4-6-6-4! Some people thought that the AF 4-8-4 was a shortened version of the UP Challenger, and therefore not a true loco. I have recently seen better prototype photos of the 4-8-4 than had been presented before. In short, I like the UP 4-8-4! Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37329	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Lighting

> Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:35 -0500 > From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> > Subject: Passenger car lighting > > Years ago, sometime in the '90s, I saw an article in MR for a rechargeable > battery system. What I remember is you would run the train for a little bit > to charge the battery, once recharged; the lighting would run from the > battery eliminating any flickering. I have searched the MR archives, but > have not been able to find this article again. > > > > If any of you know of the article, I would appreciate hearing form you. > I do recall the article and may have even saved it somewhere (my MRs are long gone). I did find this which may be a variation on what MR had: http://www.parisiconsulting.com/layout10.htm and scroll down to "12V DC Regulated Power Supply for Rail-Cam Car:" The camera uses a 12 volt regulator but they are readily available in a host of other voltages. Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37330	From: Chris	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: San Diego Visit

Hi Everybody: I'm flying out to San Diego tonight for a convention, and will stay through the weekend. I thought I might try to hook up with any fellow trainiacs to chat, look at your layout, visit your club or do some train-watching. In my past travels to other cities, I have gotten together with whole clubs for dinner, done layout work, worked a train show, and just had a visit. Some guys couldn't manage to hook up but were very helpful by telephone with local happenings and even restaurant recommendations. I will check this list and my e-mail from San Diego and I also can be reached at La Pensione hotel, (619) 236-8000, under Denise Zizzo (my wife's name, it's her convention. While she's in classes, I've got nothing but time.) If you live in the area of San Diego (I will have a car, so the area can get pretty wide), please contact me. Either post here or e-mail me directly or call the hotel. Thanx, I look forward to meeting you. Chris Zizzo P.S.: From the Frappr map made for this group, I have six names in the Southern Cal. area. Everybody on this list ought to post to the map. I just found out about it in chat this last Sunday. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37331	From: Chris	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: San Diego Visit

Re: my last post. I can't find Chuck Furlong and Rick Kneeshaw. Can you guys get in touch with me? Thanx, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37332	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S

What is the status of these? I was told by one dealer at York the Northerns by Lionel was sold out...... I had already ordered 3...... so what is the ordering status on both the AM and Lionel???? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37333	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Des Plains Trains

BIG FUN Went to Chicago for a wedding and stopped at Des Plains Hobby; wow they've got most everything. Just bought some half price hoppers and tank cars. Met Sam McCoy who was glad to see an S gauger; t'was more fun than the wedding even though I got some great cigars. T Hillery [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37334	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re;Passenger car lighting

When I was into live steam in G scale, I couldn't use track power to light my Delton coaches. I wired a NiCad 9 volt battery to the regular coach light bulbs. Not really enough power for 16 volt bulbs, but it worked. When the lights went out, I popped the battery out and recharged it. Ran about two hours on a charge. Got the battery holder, battery, and charger at Radio Shack. If I were to do it again, I'd forget the regular coach bulbs and use three or four 3 volt bulbs. And I would probably use Nickel Metal Hydride batteries as they have no recharge memory. You could also use a couple of 3 volt flashlite bulbs and two rechargable D size batteries to get a longer time between recharges, but these would be rather heavy. By connecting several cars together with small connectors between the cars you could power a train of cars with one battery and several 1.5 volt bulbs. The battery could go in a baggage car or combine. However a battery in each car would allow brighter lights. Hope these ideas help. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37335	From: northern83113	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: #612 Freight Passenger Station/Crane

hi all:just restored the #612(turned out great)and was wondering if anybody knows where the american flyer sticker would go on this item.thanks for yur help.jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37336	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Passenger car lighting

With all the talk of car lighting I feel a need to put my two cents worth in here. Dallee Electronics makes a lighting strip that is adjustable from 4" to 16" long. It has four bulbs in it and runs on variable regulated track power. In other words they don't go up or down as power is increase/decreased. They run very cool and with a lot less current draw than regular bulbs. In another vein, all one has to do to keep his lights from flickering on questionable track spots is install a small discharge capacitor in the circuit and it will keep the lights "hot" when current drops. You can see the Dallee units on the web at _www.dallee.com_ (http://www.dallee.com) It's catalog #379 item number RL-ADJ Steve SnS Train Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37337	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Des Plains Trains

Hi Tom Yes, it's always fun to meet a fellow S gauger. Looking forward to meeting more this weekend at S Fest. Sam THOMAS E HILLERY wrote: > BIG FUN > Went to Chicago for a wedding and stopped at Des Plains Hobby; wow > they've got most everything. Just bought some half price hoppers and > tank cars. Met Sam McCoy who was glad to see an S gauger; t'was more > fun than the wedding even though I got some great cigars. T Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37338	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Attaching track

I've used both adhesive in a catridge and hot glue. The former is better. Latter dries too fast. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37339	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mktslsf" <dwb6871@a...> wrote: Thanks for all of your feedback! Is there a website or source for SHS track plans? At the present time I'm very limited on space, so I would have to start out with a 4x8 at the most. Regards! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37340	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets

Doug, Where ya located???? Our (PVMR) 4' X 7' SHS layout will be on view at the KEYSTONE DIV TCA MEET this Saturday in Millersville PA. We run the PRR Switcher starter set, logged lots of hours with NO problems. When we set up we run for hours to days at a time. Basic oval (extended) with Plasticville structures etc. Jim "runnin' the S-Gauge Line" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37341	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Need Info On SHS Starter Sets

Dear Doug, We now offer a 24 page color track planning guide that has 10 layouts, most are smaller than 5' X 9'. For more information you can go to our website. Best regards, Don http://www.showcaseline.com/track/TPG2.html mktslsf wrote: >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mktslsf" <dwb6871@a...> wrote: > >Thanks for all of your feedback! Is there a website or source for SHS >track plans? At the present time I'm very limited on space, so I >would have to start out with a 4x8 at the most. > >Regards! >Doug > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37342	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Missing Lens, maybe?

Hi all, and greetings. Just got around to carefully inspecting my Flyonel UP Mikado and there is no lens covering the back-up light on the tender. It is just the light housing/hood itself with the bulb inside. My question is, should there be a lens in the first place? I looked carefully in the Styrofoam box, the outer cardboard box, and the shipping box, but no lens anywhere. There is a small ridge that looks as though a lens could be affixed there. I saw no photograph or drawing in the instructions or in the catalog that references the back end of the tender. Would someone who has the UP version please take a look and let me know if yours has a lens? I suppose the earlier versions are similar. One would think that if the B&O had a lens, the UP should have one also, but at my age I don't assume nothin. Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37343	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/15/2005
Subject: Re: Ballston Loco Works

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Foley" <mr-s1@v...> wrote: > > Hi Folks > Does anyone know anything about Ballston Loco Works? > Are they still in business? Or having problems. > Please let me know > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi John, I ordered an S gauge conversion of the K-Line Big Boy locomotive from Ballston in April 2004 (as did three other members of the S-Trains community and several others). I think Mel Nielsen considers his company still in business, but his responsiveness to customer inquiries leaves a lot to be desired. We went for over a year with nary a peep on how the project was going. Finally, last April or May (one full year after sending a locomotive for conversion and a deposit check), he returned one of my calls and gave me an update. He said he hoped to have all the conversions done by the fall. It is November and I still don't have mine. Truth be told, I think this project turned out to be much more involved than he ever dreamed and he was plodding along, trying to finish them up. So I would caution you about doing business with Ballston unless you can stand to wait a very long time without much in the way of feedback. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37344	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: DD35A

Jeff wrote: -- Decided to built a DD35A ... --To save myself some fabricating time does anyone out there have any cracked up flyer gp 20 --shells or AM gp 35 shells. .... Basically a DD35A is like 2 GP35's in one unit. Why not contact American Models about the shells? A "GP20" cab and nose are a lot different than a GP35, and besides, you can use other parts of the GP35 shells as well. I am curious about what you are going to use for those four axle trucks. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37345	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: A.F. 612 Station/Crane

Jim, I have a boxed 612 Station/Crane, and the sticker is on the side of the crane. It is placed dead center on the end of the platform facing away from the crane itself. (ie., if you have the crane facing East, the sticker is facing south on the end of the platform) Hope this makes sense? Mike Leahy Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:48:50 -0000 From: "northern83113" <northern83113@...> Subject: #612 Freight Passenger Station/Crane hi all:just restored the #612(turned out great)and was wondering if anybody knows where the american flyer sticker would go on this item.thanks for yur help.jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37346	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: DD35A

Anywhere I can surf to on the net to find a prototype photo of this beastie? > From: Mike Vana <amflyer@...> > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:33:01 -0600 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] DD35A > > Jeff wrote: > > -- Decided to built a DD35A ... > > --To save myself some fabricating time does anyone out there have any cracked > up flyer gp 20 > --shells or AM gp 35 shells. .... > > Basically a DD35A is like 2 GP35's in one unit. Why not contact American > Models about > the shells? A "GP20" cab and nose are a lot different than a GP35, and > besides, you can > use other parts of the GP35 shells as well. > > I am curious about what you are going to use for those four axle trucks. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37347	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: DD35A

The first hit on Google is pretty good: http://www.worldrailfans.org/Articles/US/UPDD35.shtml It looks like you will have some choices on the body. Good Luck, Bill Porter > Anywhere I can surf to on the net to find a prototype photo of this > beastie? > >> From: Mike Vana <amflyer@...> >> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:33:01 -0600 >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [S-Trains] DD35A >> >> Jeff wrote: >> >> -- Decided to built a DD35A ... >> >> --To save myself some fabricating time does anyone out there have any >> cracked >> up flyer gp 20 >> --shells or AM gp 35 shells. .... >> >> Basically a DD35A is like 2 GP35's in one unit. Why not contact American >> Models about >> the shells? A "GP20" cab and nose are a lot different than a GP35, and >> besides, you can >> use other parts of the GP35 shells as well. >> >> I am curious about what you are going to use for those four axle trucks. >> >> Mike Vana Omaha, NE. >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37348	From: Robert King	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: NORTHERN'S

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@b...> wrote: What is the status of these? I was told by one dealer at York the Northerns by Lionel was sold out...... I had already ordered 3...... so what is the ordering status on both the AM and Lionel???? Bob Charles Ro is still taking orders, I just placed an order for the UP 4-8-4. They did not require a deposit and they will send an order confirmation. Regarding the Santa Fe prototype 4-8-4 from AM, only the CB&Q fantasy version is sold out (but they might rerun it later). Preorders from AM will recieve free shipping. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37349	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: 4-8-4 Nickname

robbyking@j... wrote: There has been a lot of confusion about this loco (UP 4-8-4) and about how it was supposed to look, and even the name of Challeger it was given. The 4-8-4 was really a Northern, the Challenger was a 4-6-6-4! ---- The AF UP 4-8-4 was put on sets called "the Challenger". The prototype UP had a passenger train called the Challenger. The prototype UP 4-8-4's were called Northerns, although as I understand it, were referred to most often as 800's, their number series. 4-8-4's were called Northerns on some other railroads, too, although some used names like Pocono (Lackawanna), Niagra (NYC and NdeM), and Greenbrier (C&O). Like Robby pointed out, a Challenger is a 4-6-6-4, and to anyone who is not an AF fan, calling a 4-8-4 a Challenger is likely going to cause confusion. When I hear them called Challengers, it's like hearing somebody scratching on a blackboard! AF New York Central 4-6-4's were used on Pacemaker sets, but we know they are Hudsons. Wherever this Challenger name originated, let's remember to call the AF 4-8-4's Northerns. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37350	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2852

Chris Zizzo writes: > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:08:29 -0000 > From: "Chris" <busyboy@...> > Subject: San Diego Visit > > Hi Everybody: > I'm flying out to San Diego tonight for a convention, and will stay > through the weekend. I thought I might try to hook up with any > fellow trainiacs to chat, look at your layout, visit your club or do > some train-watching. Chris Zizzo Chris, If you go to San Diego and want to see train layouts, you are missing the boat, or should I say train, if you don't visit Balboa Park. Although not S gauge, there you will find several of the most awsome layouts you'd ever want to see. It is a city park and the layouts are setup by local clubs. They are in the basement of one of the museum buildings. Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37351	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana <amflyer@c...> wrote: > > > Like Robby pointed out, a Challenger is a 4-6-6-4, and to > anyone who is not an AF fan, calling a 4-8-4 a Challenger is > likely going to cause confusion. When I hear them called > Challengers, it's like hearing somebody scratching on a > blackboard! > > AF New York Central 4-6-4's were used on Pacemaker sets, > but we know they are Hudsons. > > Wherever this Challenger name originated, let's remember to call > the AF 4-8-4's Northerns. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > That is a good point. The Hudson sets of the same time period were called 'Pacemaker', but no one refers to an AF 4-6-4 as a 'Pacemaker'--they are known as their correct name of Hudson. For that same reason, the AF 4-8-4 should be referred to correctly as a Northern. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37352	From: manderman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

Perhaps the AF Northern was nicknamed Challenger because it was a challenge to keep in on the tight radius AF track... just a thought... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana <amflyer@c...> wrote: > > > Like Robby pointed out, a Challenger is a 4-6-6-4, and >to > anyone who is not an AF fan, calling a 4-8-4 a Challenger >is > likely going to cause confusion. When I hear them called > Challengers, it's like hearing somebody scratching on a > blackboard! > > AF New York Central 4-6-4's were used on Pacemaker sets, > but we know they are Hudsons. > > Wherever this Challenger name originated, let's remember >to call > the AF 4-8-4's Northerns. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > That is a good point. The Hudson sets of the same time period were called 'Pacemaker', but no one refers to an AF 4-6-4 as a 'Pacemaker'--they are known as their correct name of Hudson. For that same reason, the AF 4-8-4 should be referred to correctly as a Northern. Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37353	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

The Challenger name may be derived from the AF ad campaign that went something like "AF-the challenger of the rails". Sad that AF had a perceptable inferiority complex.Oh, well, we all know better in this group-John Marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37354	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

The words "Challengers of the miniature rails" appears on on a old AF Union Pacific 4-8-4 of mine; I believe it (the box) is an original. I do not own the engine and don't recall how I even came by the box....?? But it would seem to me that "Challenger(s)" is used in that context as a generic term, rather than to represent a particular locomotive type. The AF UP is obviously supposed to resemble a Northern, which was initially created, as I understand it, for the Northern Pacific Railroad which is where it got its name. There is more than you will ever want to know about the locomotive at http://www.steamlocomotive.com/northern/ Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:03:29 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 Nickname > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana <amflyer@c...> wrote: >> >>> Like Robby pointed out, a Challenger is a 4-6-6-4, and to >> anyone who is not an AF fan, calling a 4-8-4 a Challenger is >> likely going to cause confusion. When I hear them called >> Challengers, it's like hearing somebody scratching on a >> blackboard! >> >> AF New York Central 4-6-4's were used on Pacemaker sets, >> but we know they are Hudsons. >> >> Wherever this Challenger name originated, let's remember to call >> the AF 4-8-4's Northerns. >> >> Mike Vana Omaha, NE. >> > > That is a good point. The Hudson sets of the same time period were > called 'Pacemaker', but no one refers to an AF 4-6-4 as > a 'Pacemaker'--they are known as their correct name of Hudson. For > that same reason, the AF 4-8-4 should be referred to correctly as a > Northern. > > Scott > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37355	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/16/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

On a somewhat related note, I was sort of astonished today when the president of the local NRHS society was unaware that "Lionel bought the rights to the name American Flyer." I do understand that there is sometimes considerable separation between the modelers and prototype brethren, but for some reason I expected that his person would know... Which brings me to my question: refresh the old senior memory, please-what year was it that Lionel bought ACG, AF, etc., along with some of the tooling? Roy Inman > From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:06:14 -0800 (PST) > To: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 Nickname > > The Challenger name may be derived from the AF ad campaign that went something > like "AF-the challenger of the rails". Sad that AF had a perceptable > inferiority complex.Oh, well, we all know better in this group-John Marganski > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37356	From: hosstyletat	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King

Hi. I have some trains for sale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37357	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > > Which brings me to my question: refresh the old senior memory, please-what > year was it that Lionel bought ACG, AF, etc., along with some of the > tooling? > Roy Inman > I believe it was 1967. And I'm not sure if the old Lionel Corporation purchased the Gilbert name or just AF. I think they saw an opportunity within the last five years to capitalize on the Gilbert name association with AF and added ACG to their product packaging, but I didn't think they bought the Gilbert name in the 1960's. Does anyone else know? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37358	From: Jim Kelly	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: AF Whistling Billboard

I'm trying to find out what years this accessory was produced prewar and postwar, and how many different billboard graphics were used. Can anyone point me to an appropriate book or resource or email me with this information? Thanks, Jim Kelly Jim Kelly, ARS KK3K, TCA 99-49842 TINPLATE TIMES http://www.tinplatetimes.com STANDARD GAUGE LIST http://groups.yahoo.com/group/standg Personal Homepage: http://mysite.verizon.net/skeptic491 __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37359	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

Mike Vana wrote: >The AF UP 4-8-4 was put on sets called "the Challenger". That's correct, and Gilbert used the term "Challenger" when referring to the sets. Gilbert did not use that term when referring specifically to the loco itself. >The prototype UP had a passenger train called the Challenger. Right again, and that's why Gilbert dubbed their UP sets "Challengers". >The prototype UP 4-8-4's were called Northerns, although as I understand it, were referred to most often as 800's, Actually, the type of UP Northern that Gilbert modeled is the "Little 800" class, designated F-E-F 1. I think they were numbered 800 to 824. There were also the larger "big 800" F-E-F 3 class, which is what 844 (now 8444) is. So, technically, one can't put "elephant ears" on a Gilbert Northern to model 8444. It's a different class loco. >to anyone who is not an AF fan, calling a 4-8-4 a Challenger is >likely going to cause confusion. And it's not at all correct, since that was not Gilbert's practice. >When I hear them called Challengers, it's like hearing somebody >scratching on a blackboard! It rankles me too. Shows how hard it is to correct popular mythology, especially when said mythology is reproduced in hardbound books. >AF New York Central 4-6-4's were used on Pacemaker sets, >but we know they are Hudsons. >Wherever this Challenger name originated, let's remember to call >the AF 4-8-4's Northerns. Amen! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37360	From: John Huster	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: 4-8-4 Nickname

Sorry to disagree but Gilbert did in fact refer to the 336 as " THE CHALLENGER". In the D-1714 American Flyer Trains catalog from 1953, Pages 40 and 41 list "AMERICAN FLYER remote control locomotives". There the 336 is listed as "No. 336 THE CHALLENGER 4-8-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER" Incidentally, the $47.50 price tag when adjusted for inflation to 2005 comes to $346.20, a factor of 7.29 or 729%. John H. On 11/17/05 5:07 AM, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > Mike Vana wrote: > >> The AF UP 4-8-4 was put on sets called "the Challenger". > > That's correct, and Gilbert used the term "Challenger" when referring > to the sets. Gilbert did not use that term when referring specifically > to the loco itself. > > >> The prototype UP had a passenger train called the Challenger. > > Right again, and that's why Gilbert dubbed their UP sets "Challengers". > > >> The prototype UP 4-8-4's were called Northerns, although > as I understand it, were referred to most often as 800's, > > Actually, the type of UP Northern that Gilbert modeled is the "Little > 800" class, designated F-E-F 1. I think they were numbered 800 to 824. > There were also the larger "big 800" F-E-F 3 class, which is what 844 > (now 8444) is. So, technically, one can't put "elephant ears" on a > Gilbert Northern to model 8444. It's a different class loco. > > >> to anyone who is not an AF fan, calling a 4-8-4 a Challenger is >> likely going to cause confusion. > > And it's not at all correct, since that was not Gilbert's practice. > > >> When I hear them called Challengers, it's like hearing somebody >> scratching on a blackboard! > > It rankles me too. Shows how hard it is to correct popular mythology, > especially when said mythology is reproduced in hardbound books. > > >> AF New York Central 4-6-4's were used on Pacemaker sets, >> but we know they are Hudsons. >> Wherever this Challenger name originated, let's remember to call >> the AF 4-8-4's Northerns. > > Amen! > > Chuck F. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37361	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert

It has been a few years since I read the A.C. Gilbert History so set us all straight. Gilbert toys and Lionel went under about the same time. American Flyer was first bought out by Walthers? Lionel & American Flyer were bought by General Foods, Fundimensions, Richard Kuhns and ........................? You all give LIONEL too much credit. Joshua Lionel Cowen is out of business just like A.C. Gilbert. It's just a BIG toy train conglomerate. Glenn, playing with AF, SHS & AM on the Belfry layout. ----- Original Message ----- From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 Nickname > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > > > > > Which brings me to my question: refresh the old senior memory, > please-what > > year was it that Lionel bought ACG, AF, etc., along with some of the > > tooling? > > Roy Inman > > > > I believe it was 1967. And I'm not sure if the old Lionel Corporation > purchased the Gilbert name or just AF. I think they saw an > opportunity within the last five years to capitalize on the Gilbert > name association with AF and added ACG to their product packaging, but > I didn't think they bought the Gilbert name in the 1960's. Does > anyone else know? > > Scott > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37362	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Link couplers and the 370

Hi I'm an O gauger and I'm planning a small switching layout using many of the re-issue Flyer accessories I've accumulated. I've been kicking around the idea of using S gauge trains, and was wondering if anyone has had any operational experience with link coupler operating cars and the #370 GP-7. Thanks Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37363	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: Link couplers and the 370

Hi Brady, You may get a lot of feedback on this. I have found link couplers to be very unreliable. If I use them on a Christmas layout then I use a rubber band or wire to lock them together. My 370 with a bar to catch the links just sits on a shelf. I have converted some cars and engines to knuckle but I run only knuckle on my home layout. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brady Burdge" <Brady@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Link couplers and the 370 > Hi > > I'm an O gauger and I'm planning a small switching > layout using many of the re-issue Flyer accessories > I've accumulated. I've been kicking around the idea of > using S gauge trains, and was wondering if anyone has > had any operational experience with link coupler > operating cars and the #370 GP-7. > > Thanks > > Brady > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37364	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: AF Whistling Billboard

Try this link, select catalogs. It's an excellent resource for when things were catalogued. Not much help for exceptions. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kelly" <kk3k@...> To: <s-trains@...> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Whistling Billboard > I'm trying to find out what years this accessory was > produced prewar and postwar, and how many different > billboard graphics were used. Can anyone point me to > an appropriate book or resource or email me with this > information? Thanks, > > Jim Kelly > > Jim Kelly, ARS KK3K, TCA 99-49842 > TINPLATE TIMES http://www.tinplatetimes.com > STANDARD GAUGE LIST http://groups.yahoo.com/group/standg > Personal Homepage: http://mysite.verizon.net/skeptic491 > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37365	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King

Ok, What and how much? Don Rodgers drmusic244@...<mailto:drmusic244@...> ----- Original Message ----- From: hosstyletat<mailto:hosstyletat@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King Hi. I have some trains for sale S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com<http://www.americanflyertrains.com/> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail<http://s-scale.org/albums/modelrail> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37366	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] AF Whistling Billboard OOPS

OOPS! The link was left out. It was www.myflyertrains.org At the link, select catalogs. It's an excellent resource for when things were catalogued. Not much help for exceptions. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Kelly" <kk3k@...> > To: <s-trains@...> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:38 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Whistling Billboard > > > > I'm trying to find out what years this accessory was > > produced prewar and postwar, and how many different > > billboard graphics were used. Can anyone point me to > > an appropriate book or resource or email me with this > > information? Thanks, > > > > Jim Kelly > > > > Jim Kelly, ARS KK3K, TCA 99-49842 > > TINPLATE TIMES http://www.tinplatetimes.com > > STANDARD GAUGE LIST http://groups.yahoo.com/group/standg > > Personal Homepage: http://mysite.verizon.net/skeptic491 > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37367	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert

Many, if not most, companies at some time go through a change in ownership. It is a fact of the business world. To fault Lionel for going through such a process doesn't make much sense, IMHO. Think of the hundreds of mergers, buyouts, liquidations, etc., etc., that have happened in the prototype world of railroading. Rare is the individual who can recite all the precedents. Not saying I love Lionel or anything of the sort. But the company survived, albeit by a thread. That four page catalog (or was just a two-pager??) in the 1970's was pretty lame. Gilbert, unfortunately, did not survive in anything close to its original form. A company may change hands for no other reason than the founder dies. There is nothing holding back the new owners-be they kinfolk or not-from doing whatever they want with what is now "their" company. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:43:24 -0500 > To: srgriggs <sgriggs@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.C. Gilbert > > It has been a few years since I read > the A.C. Gilbert History so > set us all straight. > > Gilbert toys and Lionel went under > about the same time. American Flyer was > first bought out by Walthers? > Lionel & American Flyer were > bought by General Foods, > Fundimensions, Richard Kuhns > and ........................? > > You all give LIONEL too much credit. > Joshua Lionel Cowen is out of > business just like A.C. Gilbert. > > It's just a BIG toy train > conglomerate. > > Glenn, playing with AF, SHS & AM on > the Belfry layout. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:25 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 Nickname > > >> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Which brings me to my question: refresh the old senior memory, >> please-what >>> year was it that Lionel bought ACG, AF, etc., along with some of the >>> tooling? >>> Roy Inman >>> >> >> I believe it was 1967. And I'm not sure if the old Lionel Corporation >> purchased the Gilbert name or just AF. I think they saw an >> opportunity within the last five years to capitalize on the Gilbert >> name association with AF and added ACG to their product packaging, but >> I didn't think they bought the Gilbert name in the 1960's. Does >> anyone else know? >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> Enjoy thousands of great photos >> at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37368	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King

tELL ME MORE..... ITEMS, BOXES, ETC...... BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37369	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: 1952-1954 American Flyer Yard King

Tell me more, my buddy Bob Conner has more trains on hand than A C Gilbert ever did. Jerry Matsick ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: tELL ME MORE..... ITEMS, BOXES, ETC...... BOB S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37370	From: James Schiele	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: AF Mikado

My Mikado quit running and my transformer shorted. Finally figured out the crank and side rod had come off. You have to have 2 insulators on the crank. Could not find them on the layout. Talked to a nice and knowledgeable person at Lionel, who sent me the necessary parts. I'm running again. Everybody check the screw that holds the crank on. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37371	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: AF Mikado

Thanks Jim, I was just about to run mine for the first time, and now I will take special note... Roy Inman > From: James Schiele <jschiele1@...> > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:53:11 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Mikado > > My Mikado quit running and my transformer shorted. Finally figured out the > crank and side rod had come off. You have to have 2 insulators on the > crank. Could not find them on the layout. Talked to a nice and > knowledgeable person at Lionel, who sent me the necessary parts. I'm running > again. Everybody check the screw that holds the crank on. > > Jim > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37372	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: Pike master Track

Hello All, If anyone has any pike master track they would like to sell please contact me. drmusic244@...<mailto:drmusic244@...> Thank You Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37373	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/17/2005
Subject: Re: The Challenger name

The Challenger name: It was the name of a passenger train on the old S.P.. This train was pulled with a 4-8-4 northern. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37374	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname

John H. wrote: >Sorry to disagree but Gilbert did in fact refer to the 336 as " THE >CHALLENGER". >In the D-1714 American Flyer Trains catalog from 1953, Pages 40 and >41 list "AMERICAN FLYER remote control locomotives". There the 336 is >listed as "No. 336 THE CHALLENGER 4-8-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER" Sorry to have to refute your point John. :) I didn't think anybody might respond as above. I have the 1953 catalogue in front of me. I know about the listing you site. Now, on page 40, look to the listing just above the one you noted for the 4-8-4. It's for the 4-6-4. It uses the same language as you quoted, but for "No. 326 'The Pacemaker' 4-6-4 Locomotive and Tender". Was Gilbert referring to the Hudson as a "Pacemaker"? Look again a bit further up, to the K5 Pacific listing. It's listed as "No. 316 'The Trailblazer' 4-6-2 Locomotive and Tender" Wha?!? What the heck is a "trailblazer"? Anybody ever heard of such a class of loco? Of course not. What Gilbert was doing in the listings was titling them with reference to the SETS in which they were included. So when they wrote "Trailblazer 4-6-2", they meant "the 4-6-2 locomotive that comes in the Trailblazer SETS". Likewise, with the 4-8-4, they meant "the 4-8-4 that comes in the Challenger SETS". Gilbert was in effect saying, "Hey! Why buy the loco alone when you can get it in a whole (Challenger, Pacemaker or whatever) SET for not much more money?!?" Same with the 4-6-4, and the others. If you look in each paragraph descibing each loco specifically, you'll see the loco class properly named. In the case of UP's 4-8-4, it is correctly referred to as "This big 'Northern' type..." These people at Gilbert grew up in the steam era. They knew the difference between a 4-8-4 and a 4-6-6-4. Gilbert himself wasn't one to fudge on wheel groups for a given model (and he MEANT to make toys that were also good MODELS). Omitting the proper # of axles from a loco type was Lionel's shtick, not A.C.'s. I posted an entry on this point here months (or even years) ago. Didn't think it got past anybody. I thought wrong. Must've been b4 John came to this group. Whutteryagonnado? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37375	From: beebear	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: New train web cam

Hello all I am working on putting together a live webcam when I start to build my layout Right now it is pointed in my backyard for testing. If you can see it, just drop me a note. it's located at http://beebear2001.ww.com/ Best of all it's free hosting. If you are interested in setting up your own let me know and I'll pass along the info email is beebear@... John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37376	From: BENJAMIN PERRY	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname

Gentlemen: I have a 1941 AF catalog, and the 3/16 O gauge UP 4-8-4 is called a Challenger. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: jayhoo64 Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:23:28 -0800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 nickname John H. wrote: >Sorry to disagree but Gilbert did in fact refer to the 336 as " THE >CHALLENGER". >In the D-1714 American Flyer Trains catalog from 1953, Pages 40 and >41 list "AMERICAN FLYER remote control locomotives". There the 336 is >listed as "No. 336 THE CHALLENGER 4-8-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER" Sorry to have to refute your point John. :) I didn't think anybody might respond as above. I have the 1953 catalogue in front of me. I know about the listing you site. Now, on page 40, look to the listing just above the one you noted for the 4-8-4. It's for the 4-6-4. It uses the same language as you quoted, but for "No. 326 'The Pacemaker' 4-6-4 Locomotive and Tender". Was Gilbert referring to the Hudson as a "Pacemaker"? Look again a bit further up, to the K5 Pacific listing. It's listed as "No. 316 'The Trailblazer' 4-6-2 Locomotive and Tender" Wha?!? What the heck is a "trailblazer"? Anybody ever heard of such a class of loco? Of course not. What Gilbert was doing in the listings was titling them with reference to the SETS in which they were included. So when they wrote "Trailblazer 4-6-2", they meant "the 4-6-2 locomotive that comes in the Trailblazer SETS". Likewise, with the 4-8-4, they meant "the 4-8-4 that comes in the Challenger SETS". Gilbert was in effect saying, "Hey! Why buy the loco alone when you can get it in a whole (Challenger, Pacemaker or whatever) SET for not much more money?!?" Same with the 4-6-4, and the others. If you look in each paragraph descibing each loco specifically, you'll see the loco class properly named. In the case of UP's 4-8-4, it is correctly referred to as "This big 'Northern' type..." These people at Gilbert grew up in the steam era. They knew the difference between a 4-8-4 and a 4-6-6-4. Gilbert himself wasn't one to fudge on wheel groups for a given model (and he MEANT to make toys that were also good MODELS). Omitting the proper # of axles from a loco type was Lionel's shtick, not A.C.'s. I posted an entry on this point here months (or even years) ago. Didn't think it got past anybody. I thought wrong. Must've been b4 John came to this group. Whutteryagonnado? Chuck F. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37377	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: New train web cam

Hi John, I can see it. The tree parts appear to have fallen off of your trees. Better check that out. Bill Porter > Hello all > > I am working on putting together a live webcam when I start to build my > layout > Right now it is pointed in my backyard for testing. If you can see it, > just drop > me a note. it's located at http://beebear2001.ww.com/ > > Best of all it's free hosting. If you are interested in setting up your > own > let me know and I'll pass along the info > > email is beebear@... > > John Frankforther >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37378	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Josh Seltzer Award - Icon Update

John Foley asked for my help with the Josh Seltzer Award Icon. see http://paulyorke.com/Josh_Seltzer_Award.html John Foley has changed his email to mr-s1 at verizon.net If you already have the Josh Seltzer Award icon on your site. all you need to do is correct John's email. Otherwize you will need to some code to your front page Or some other conspicious location to display the familiar NASG logo with the Josh Seltzer Award message. This competition gives NASG some exposure, and helps John keep up with all the various S related websites not to mention this is prestigious award. If you need additional asistance with this code, please contact me off list. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37379	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: One big train layout - 1foot = 12inches

Here is a switching yard. http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=41.634915,-87.457352&spn=0.005401,0.007226&t=k&hl=en Do you have a cool (Train or Model Train related) website that you think we may not be familiar with? If so please share it with the list. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37380	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: New train web cam

John, My corporate protection software will not allow me to access your website. It lists it as a SEXUAL website. What's going on in your backyard????? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@b...> wrote: > > Hello all > > I am working on putting together a live webcam when I start to build my layout > Right now it is pointed in my backyard for testing. If you can see it, just drop > me a note. it's located at http://beebear2001.ww.com/ > > Best of all it's free hosting. If you are interested in setting up your own > let me know and I'll pass along the info > > email is beebear@b... > > John Frankforther > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37381	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: One big train layout - 1foot = 12inches

One of the best......... http://www.glancytrains.com/index2.html Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/18/2005 10:13:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, s_trains@... writes: Do you have a cool (Train or Model Train related) website that you think we may not be familiar with? If so please share it with the list. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37382	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: On the UP 4-8-4 & the Gilbert Name sale

Hi all from still dry N. Calif. Chuck brought up the only surviving never retired class 1 railroad steam locomotive, the UP 844. It's survival as a not-retired loco was a fluke, but it does make it unique in never having been a "park loco" in the class of big steam operating today. The number IS 844, that extra "4" was added in the 70s (I believe, I don't have the documentation) when a new group of diesels was purchased by the UP, and one of them was numbered "844." Upon it's retirement a few years ago, the extra "4" was dropped, putting things right! That dismal should have been renumbered not the 844! Enough said of the UP, I'm not happy with them nowadays (it can be truely said, "You can't spell stUPid without UP in the middle!") In 1967, big "L" did buy out the ACG TRAIN tooling and completed products, and even sold the left-over stuff. They also annouced that they deemed the tooling too far gone to be used to make trains! Veeedry interestink!--wonder how all those later trains were made? Amanto bought out the parts left in the building, and much of anything else he could save after the big auctions. Basically it was a treasure hunt in an abandoned factory at that point. Very sad times. Gabriel Toys bought the Gilbert name and the erector set stuff, and made sets for a time under that name, though they changed the graphics. Not sure when L started using the "Gilbert Hall of Science" stuff, and I'm not even certain they can legitimately lay claim to the name, but I don't even play a lawyer on TV. :) Gotta run, lookin' at a Model T (Yes, I actually am taking PART of a day off-'sides I already have 40 hours in this week). Run 'em if ya got 'em! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37383	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!

The exciting thing about my 4-8-4 Northern AKA Challenger is that this fantastically made late 1940s model is still running, still choo chooing and yet I had O GAUGE models built in the 21st century that died on me, sounds systems that quit, but my Gilbert F-E-F, aka 4-8-4, aka, Northern, aka, Challenger, still choo choos and pulls 25 cars without a sweat, Praise be to A. C. Gilbert ! He would be top dawg today! Jerry Matsick A Converted O Gauge top the Best Gauge - "S"!!! BENJAMIN PERRY <BENPERRY1@...> wrote: Gentlemen: I have a 1941 AF catalog, and the 3/16 O gauge UP 4-8-4 is called a Challenger. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: jayhoo64 Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:23:28 -0800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 nickname John H. wrote: >Sorry to disagree but Gilbert did in fact refer to the 336 as " THE >CHALLENGER". >In the D-1714 American Flyer Trains catalog from 1953, Pages 40 and >41 list "AMERICAN FLYER remote control locomotives". There the 336 is >listed as "No. 336 THE CHALLENGER 4-8-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER" Sorry to have to refute your point John. :) I didn't think anybody might respond as above. I have the 1953 catalogue in front of me. I know about the listing you site. Now, on page 40, look to the listing just above the one you noted for the 4-8-4. It's for the 4-6-4. It uses the same language as you quoted, but for "No. 326 'The Pacemaker' 4-6-4 Locomotive and Tender". Was Gilbert referring to the Hudson as a "Pacemaker"? Look again a bit further up, to the K5 Pacific listing. It's listed as "No. 316 'The Trailblazer' 4-6-2 Locomotive and Tender" Wha?!? What the heck is a "trailblazer"? Anybody ever heard of such a class of loco? Of course not. What Gilbert was doing in the listings was titling them with reference to the SETS in which they were included. So when they wrote "Trailblazer 4-6-2", they meant "the 4-6-2 locomotive that comes in the Trailblazer SETS". Likewise, with the 4-8-4, they meant "the 4-8-4 that comes in the Challenger SETS". Gilbert was in effect saying, "Hey! Why buy the loco alone when you can get it in a whole (Challenger, Pacemaker or whatever) SET for not much more money?!?" Same with the 4-6-4, and the others. If you look in each paragraph descibing each loco specifically, you'll see the loco class properly named. In the case of UP's 4-8-4, it is correctly referred to as "This big 'Northern' type..." These people at Gilbert grew up in the steam era. They knew the difference between a 4-8-4 and a 4-6-6-4. Gilbert himself wasn't one to fudge on wheel groups for a given model (and he MEANT to make toys that were also good MODELS). Omitting the proper # of axles from a loco type was Lionel's shtick, not A.C.'s. I posted an entry on this point here months (or even years) ago. Didn't think it got past anybody. I thought wrong. Must've been b4 John came to this group. Whutteryagonnado? Chuck F. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37384	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: 1941 Catalog ?

Was the "O" gage Northern in consist with a passenger or freight train ? --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37385	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: 4 8 4 Northern

Check of CTT issue of April, 1990 on Page 70. It is very interesting info on UP train # 818 and Northern # 811 --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37386	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!

Jerry, I had a Gilbert Northern, and we put 45 cars on it at a train show. Chuffed right along. It was quite a crowd pleaser. The motor was original. Roy Inman > From: Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> > Reply-To: mtoytrain@... > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:23:16 -0800 (PST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model! > > The exciting thing about my 4-8-4 Northern AKA Challenger is that this > fantastically made late 1940s model is still running, still choo chooing and > yet I had O GAUGE models built in the 21st century that died on me, sounds > systems that quit, but my Gilbert F-E-F, aka 4-8-4, aka, Northern, aka, > Challenger, still choo choos and pulls 25 cars without a sweat, Praise be to > A. C. Gilbert ! He would be top dawg today! > > Jerry Matsick > A Converted O Gauge > top the Best Gauge - "S"!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37387	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 1941 Catalog ?

The Gilbert "3/16 scale on O trucks" 4-8-4 (always under the UP road name) debuted in 1939. It was first made available in a spur-geared version, then later (1940-41) in worm drive, which basically continued into the new "S" line after the war. The earlier (spur gear) shell casting is only very slightly different - from the left side you would not notice it, unless you were told - the right side is a bit more obvious. In 1939, it was available with either freight or passenger consists, but always with diecast cars, the highly desirable 521 (combine) and 524 (Pullman). In 1940, some tinplate consists (both freight and passenger) were offered in addition to the diecast, which continued to be an option. In that year BOTH drives were offered, but the worm gear cost more. Both types of consist, in both materials (but with some new colors on the tinplate), continued into 1941, but only worm drive locos were then listed. The 4-8-4, with diecast consists, were the most expensive sets offered. Most 4-8-4 passenger sets appear to have been provided in dark green, though Tuscan examples have been encountered. As an aside, the Hudson passenger sets were also usually dark green, with the diecast Tuscan cars only being listed with the most expensive version of the Pennsy K5, really a 4-6-2 "Pacific". Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37388	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Oddball Flyer 302AC

Hi I am resigned to the fact that my mis-numbered K5 was probably an after sale change. However I have just received a rather strange 302AC Atlantic in the remanants of a set I bought on eBay. When it arrived after its two month sea journey, along with track, and the usual three car freight set I thought little of it.But then when I looked at the loco it is a one piece metal body but with the slot in the boiler used on the #300 Atlantic! Shows the factory must have been not above using up parts to fill a batch. It is the full smoke/choo choo chassis. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37389	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 20, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37390	From: John	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: Link couplers and the 370

About a third of my dad's AF is link, and he is very happy with it, runs nine to ten car trains (no grades). John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@v...> wrote: > > Hi Brady, > > You may get a lot of feedback > on this. I have found link couplers > to be very unreliable. If I use > them on a Christmas layout then > I use a rubber band or wire > to lock them together. My 370 > with a bar to catch the links > just sits on a shelf. I have converted > some cars and engines to knuckle > but I run only knuckle on my > home layout. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brady Burdge" <Brady@l...> > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:55 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Link couplers and the 370 > > > > Hi > > > > I'm an O gauger and I'm planning a small switching > > layout using many of the re-issue Flyer accessories > > I've accumulated. I've been kicking around the idea of > > using S gauge trains, and was wondering if anyone has > > had any operational experience with link coupler > > operating cars and the #370 GP-7. > > > > Thanks > > > > Brady > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37391	From: John	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

I have to work until 6pm Pacific, but will try to get on after that. Thanks for the reminder. Say hi to Barb for me. John S San Bernardino --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, November 20, 2005 > Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37392	From: John	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

When one adds in the cost of electronic sound, sounds like we are getting a good deal. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Huster <john@b...> wrote: > > Sorry to disagree but Gilbert did in fact refer to the 336 as " THE > CHALLENGER". > > In the D-1714 American Flyer Trains catalog from 1953, Pages 40 and 41 list > "AMERICAN FLYER remote control locomotives". There the 336 is listed as > "No. 336 THE CHALLENGER 4-8-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER" > > Incidentally, the $47.50 price tag when adjusted for inflation to 2005 comes > to $346.20, a factor of 7.29 or 729%. > > John H. > > > > On 11/17/05 5:07 AM, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: > > > Mike Vana wrote: > > > >> The AF UP 4-8-4 was put on sets called "the Challenger". > > > > That's correct, and Gilbert used the term "Challenger" when referring > > to the sets. Gilbert did not use that term when referring specifically > > to the loco itself. > > > > > >> The prototype UP had a passenger train called the Challenger. > > > > Right again, and that's why Gilbert dubbed their UP sets "Challengers". > > > > > >> The prototype UP 4-8-4's were called Northerns, although > > as I understand it, were referred to most often as 800's, > > > > Actually, the type of UP Northern that Gilbert modeled is the "Little > > 800" class, designated F-E-F 1. I think they were numbered 800 to 824. > > There were also the larger "big 800" F-E-F 3 class, which is what 844 > > (now 8444) is. So, technically, one can't put "elephant ears" on a > > Gilbert Northern to model 8444. It's a different class loco. > > > > > >> to anyone who is not an AF fan, calling a 4-8-4 a Challenger is > >> likely going to cause confusion. > > > > And it's not at all correct, since that was not Gilbert's practice. > > > > > >> When I hear them called Challengers, it's like hearing somebody > >> scratching on a blackboard! > > > > It rankles me too. Shows how hard it is to correct popular mythology, > > especially when said mythology is reproduced in hardbound books. > > > > > >> AF New York Central 4-6-4's were used on Pacemaker sets, > >> but we know they are Hudsons. > >> Wherever this Challenger name originated, let's remember to call > >> the AF 4-8-4's Northerns. > > > > Amen! > > > > Chuck F. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37393	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/18/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname

Ben Perrywrote: >I have a 1941 AF catalog, and the 3/16 O gauge UP 4-8-4 is called a >Challenger. Ben, can you be more specific, like page #s? I'm looking at the 1941 catalogue (#D1390) on this site: http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1941Catalog/AF_1941_catalog_index1.htm I can't find a "Challenger" reference in it. There are several references to UP's "Northern". The 4-8-4 sets are listed as "Union Pacific" trains. I have seen Gilbert AF ads from the early 1940s that say "Challengers of the miniature rails" or something like that, but again they referred to the trains, not the locomotives specifically. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37394	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname

I have never heard railfans describe the 12 inch to the foot model as anything but a challenger. Not unknown for a loco to end up with the name of the train it was most associated with. As to Northern that is a generic name for any 4-8-4 loco - I suspect the name Northern came from the railroad first using that wheel configuration git which was probably the N. P. just as Atlantic came from the Reading and Atlantic railroad, first bigger sytem to use this wheel layout. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37395	From: Robert D Eves III	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Charles A Brown

Hello All; Would You put out the word to all other Groups that We (CNY (S) GAUGE) lost Charles A. Brown (Charlie or Chuck) on Tuesday night. He died at Home. He will be lost to all. Thank You; Bob Eves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37396	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname

We have just about beat this topic death but being curious I did a bit of research through Chuck's catalogs. The name Challenger was referred to the whole line as challengers of the rails, and to many sets that contained the northern and only, I repeat ONLY referred to the K336 Northern for separate sale in the 1955 catalog. I did not look as any "O" gauge literature this was only an "S" search. All other descriptions of the Northern for separate sale were referred to as Northern type in the descriptions. Never Challenger. It is amazing how the name Challenger stuck to the Loco itself with only one reference in 1 catalog. Any whooo... AC Gilbert was pretty good about calling a Northern a Northern and looks like only one deviation. (I may have missed others but I don't think so.) In the 1955 catalog they also had nicknames for the other steam locos for separate sale so it looks like it was a theme for that year. Suprised me, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37397	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: New American Flyer parts Drawings.

I have a web page with all of the published American Flyer by Lionel Drawings and parts lists. Some are links to Lionel's site, some are Scanned images on my site and not yet published on Lionel's site and some are old out of print scans. The latest include the Mikado, Baldwin, Handcar and Alco RailSounds B unit. The link is: http://www.tuveson.com/Manual/AFDRAWINGS.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37398	From: muniman18	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: help

can any one give a idea how to fix my baldwin 355 i know that there are problems with the screw in the back the plastic has brokern off any as luck would have it the screw is gone &^%% $#@! also if any one has a 310 what a engine smokes like heck and runs great wanna keep it for long time is there any thing i should know abt this one outside of reg oil etc any quirks etc.etc thanking you in advance mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37399	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: New American Flyer parts Drawings.

Carl Thanks for sharing the new American Flyer Parts Drawings, downloaded for future knowledge. I think it is great if any on the group have vital data like this, please share it. The converted "O"gauger can use all the info out there. Jerry Matsick Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote: I have a web page with all of the published American Flyer by Lionel Drawings and parts lists. Some are links to Lionel's site, some are Scanned images on my site and not yet published on Lionel's site and some are old out of print scans. The latest include the Mikado, Baldwin, Handcar and Alco RailSounds B unit. The link is: http://www.tuveson.com/Manual/AFDRAWINGS.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37400	From: muniman18	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: 310

sorry engine is 325 ac not 310 got my numbers mixed up mea culpa mike {the bone head in ny }

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37401	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname

Well, I s'pose one could say it boils down to reading comprehension, and the fact that once something gets published in a "reference" book, true or not it gets burned into peoples' psyches. I have seen only one "dead tree" AF reference material that debunks or even qualifies the Challenger myth, and that was a short "Tinplate Prototypes" article in CTT. I just wish people would stop spreading this myth. I suppose, since the UP had Trains AND locos both named "Challenger", maybe we should blame it on them. Yeah, "It's the UP's fault." Has a nice "ring" to it. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37402	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 nickname

I hate to add to all this talk of challengers/Northerns BUT if any of you have the American Flyer Boys Club video from John Huster the "Boys" refer to the 4-8-4 as a Union Pacific "DIXIE". I am supposing they did this to appease their Southern Customers who would never buy anything northern ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37403	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Knuckle Coupler Conversion

When I was a kid, my father and I converted all my trains to Knuckle Couplers. Out of inertia, I have continued the practice ever since then. I recently bought a black 625 tank car made in 1946. Without examining it (hey - I've converted lots of cars!), I started hammering it into the old reliable brass tube that I got in 1953. After a lot of work to no avail, I discovered that this car is different! How do you convert these cars? In the process, I broke the old link coupler, so there's no going back. I'd appreciate your help. Bob Learnin' lots from the Upstairs Train --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37404	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re Oddball Flyer 302AC

Should have looked at myGreenberg's guide. Aparently the slot in the boiler variety is a not uncommon variation found in the 302AC. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time. Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37405	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2856

In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: From: FEZANDPAZ@... Subject: Re: Re: 4-8-4 nickname Which is why I have a #332 that I refer to as a Greenbriar, instead of a Northern. LOL Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37406	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: New train web cam

I can see it. No problem. No wonder BG's corporate protection software won't let him in! Lots goin' on out there. Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: John, My corporate protection software will not allow me to access your website. It lists it as a SEXUAL website. What's going on in your backyard????? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" wrote: > > Hello all > > I am working on putting together a live webcam when I start to build my layout > Right now it is pointed in my backyard for testing. If you can see it, just drop > me a note. it's located at http://beebear2001.ww.com/ > > Best of all it's free hosting. If you are interested in setting up your own > let me know and I'll pass along the info > > email is beebear@b... > > John Frankforther > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37407	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Speakin' of couplers...

By now I have managed to collect a fleet of S gauge rolling stock from various manufacturers, Gilbert American Flyer, Flyonel, S-Helper, American Models, and S Scale America. All are Hi-rail/ Flyer Compatable. I have seen it said here that the best couplers are STILL the old Gilbert knuckles. My experiance proves that out. Most of the others are pretty decent, but the old Flyer works the best. Why? Are they really a better design, or are they worn enough over the last fifty years to work better? If it's the wear, how do you make these new plastic couplers work this well without damaging them? Stumpy Stone...trying to switch cars without wrecking the cargo inside!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37408	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2854

On Friday November 18 Chuck F. mentioned some facts about the UP Northerns. May I expand upon this... Chuck is correct about Gilbert modeling the little 800"s, FEF-1's Nos 800 thru 819 that were built in 1937. They came with 77 inch driving wheels and were slightly smaller overall than ther later FEF-2's ( nos 820 - 834 with 80 inch drivers,14 wheel "centipede" tenders with an additional 3500 gallons of water built in 1939) or the FEF-3's ( nos 835 through 844 built 1944) of the war years. The elephant ears were applied by UP starting in 1945 after all of the 800's had been in service and yes the "little" 800's received the smoke deflectors as well at that time. Additionally, the UP never called their FEFs ( Four Eight Four) Northerns as they thought the name Northern would be associated with the Northern Pacific. One of their original assignments were the Challengers, a crack express train along with other name trains of the era. One last mention is the 844 has its original number 844, the GP30 that forced its renumbering to 8444 has been retired for many years now. Ernie Mennecke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37409	From: trainman634	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Plastic 283 Engine

A few days ago I puchased a plastic 283 steam engine with a Northwestern tender at a local train show. It runs great. There are no steps on the front of the cowcatcher. It that correct? It does not look like they have been broken off? What years was this engine produced?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37410	From: Robert King	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 Nickname

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: Actually, the type of UP Northern that Gilbert modeled is the "Little 800" class, designated F-E-F 1. I think they were numbered 800 to 824. There were also the larger "big 800" F-E-F 3 class, which is what 844 (now 8444) is. So, technically, one can't put "elephant ears" on a Gilbert Northern to model 8444. It's a different class loco. Robby: When I found out that the AF was not a shrunken Challenger and that it was a 4-8-4, the photos that I saw all had the "elephant ears" and looked different from the AF model; so I thought that yes it had existed but the AF model was not authentic. I was not aware that the AF model was a smaller version, so that explains it. Recently I had seen a photo of the original 4-8-4 that was modeled by AF, so I decided to get one. The absence of the "elephant ears" did not prevent me from considering it, because those could have been added on at a later date, but I was concerned about the other differences and why they were there. The bottom line is that I (we) do not have to worry anymore!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37411	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/20/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 20, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37412	From: rebendever	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: 2006 1:64 Modeling Guide Calendars are Ready--before Christmas!!! (

The 2006 1:64 Modeling Guide Calendars are mailing this week. If you recognize one of your photos as one of the twelve 2006 Calendar Winners, you have a complimentary 2006 1:64MG Calendar coming to you First Class mail today. Some folks actually have a couple of calendars coming to them for their fantastic photograghy this year. This year there are four prizes: a Grand Prize and first, second & third prizes. Pat will announce them in upcoming V9I3 which is mailing Jan 2, 2006. There are a couple of names that I am scrambling to find addresses for (Pat Turner is in MI on a family matter), if you are not a 1:64MG subscriber & you have a photo in the 2006 calendar (go to www.ModelingGuide.com to see the calendar), send us an email to subscription@.... 1:64 Modeling Guide subscribers receive complimentary First Class postage (USA & Canada) where subscribers outside the USA & Canada receive $2.95 off our the postage of their choice to their country. The 1:64 Modeling Guide Volume 9, Issue 2 is at the Press and will be mailed November 25th! It seems that Hurricane Wilma blew the air processing units off the roof of our printer and we've had to go to another printer in order to get this issue our before another hurricane hits Florida and the end of 2005. So hold on to your seat, this is a great return issue! And guess what? We are shipping the 1:64MG Subscriber- exclusive "Nella's Grocery - Country Store & Post Office" so, order your Nella's today before we run out and it's too late! Got something to get off your chest in the "Pop Valve?" Go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1-64ModelingGuidePopValve for the very latest news in between issues--we're back on schedule! Best Regards, ============== 1:64 Modeling Guide ================ Richard E. Bendever, Editor 1:64 Modeling Guide "Everything that is anything in S-Standard, Sn3, Sn2, Sn42", 3:16" & 1:64 Scales." 910 Millvale Place, P. O. Box 465898, Lawrenceville, GA 30042-5898 www.DEBENLLC.com -- www.ModelingGuide.com -- www.FineScaleMiniatures.Biz -- www.DoctorBens.Biz -- www.DrBens.Com - ======================================= *NEW* Order /FAX Line: 770.979.5069

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37413	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number ..

I AM NOT GETTING DIGESTS AGAIN FOR 2 DAYS .... WERE THEY SENT OUT?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37414	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Fwd: Nasg display

I just wanted to share these photos with all of you. My reason is, S Gauge is thought not to be a gauge that is popular. The photos were taken at a free train exhibition on Nov.6,05 with ALL scales present. S GAUGE had the most raffle items offered and lots of inquiries. Many producers of O gauge model trains will try the HO market and seem to have no success. There is always a concern that S competes with O. I feel S competes with HO. As we get older and the eye sight gets hard to see smaller objects, HO loses and S wins. Frank Emiro, an S gauger in NH. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37415	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Fwd: Bedford Boomer Show

For those of you that wanted more about the train exhibition. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37416	From: faltrain5	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Just set up my Christmas layout of AF trains

On October 25, I started on my layout of American flyer trains. I and my father built legs at 2 and a half feet high with 2 by 4's. It is made up of 4 homesite sheets and measures 16 feet by 8. Painted green with snow flakes and snow sheets. We had to buy houses from big lots and k-mart that are almost scale. It has Christmas trees, regular trees, 6 engines, 27 houses that are a little smaller scale. A semaphore, 6 switches, 25 cars, and the whole board is covered with American flyer all gilbert '46 to '66. None of that new stuff called "american flyer." Really nice. I might post pictures. So look soon. Geoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37417	From: Robert King	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: Jerry, I had a Gilbert Northern, and we put 45 cars on it at a train show. Chuffed right along. It was quite a crowd pleaser. The motor was original. Roy Inman ___________ With all of the talk, I started searching on ebay... I just won one on ebay last night, a 336 with what looks to be the large motor. Did all or most of the 336 come with the large motor? Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37418	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: Speakin' of couplers... Gilbert aren't that great... any 1 know

Stump, Look at this way.... you'll have something to look forward to in 50 years... all the couplers should work well... I actually have trouble with the Gilbert originals becoming undone and know that when Gilbert displayed running trains they glued the couplers shut - think that would have been a hint to the design department to improve things... Do the Lionel ones with springs work better - at least mine seem to... While switching - Don't damage the turkey cargo for thanxgiving.... Later Gaiter, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Speakin' of couplers... By now I have managed to collect a fleet of S gauge rolling stock from various manufacturers, Gilbert American Flyer, Flyonel, S-Helper, American Models, and S Scale America. All are Hi-rail/ Flyer Compatable. I have seen it said here that the best couplers are STILL the old Gilbert knuckles. My experiance proves that out. Most of the others are pretty decent, but the old Flyer works the best. Why? Are they really a better design, or are they worn enough over the last fifty years to work better? If it's the wear, how do you make these new plastic couplers work this well without damaging them? Stumpy Stone...trying to switch cars without wrecking the cargo inside! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37419	From: David Girson	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: 312 engine

Can someone send me or direct me to a parts diagram for a 312 SIB? I know I'm missing some parts. Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37420	From: diesell2004	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Lentz-100 DCC with Sound

I'm planning to purchase an S-Helper Service starter set. Is it worth the extra $248 to upgrade to the DCC system? Can other brand locomotives used with this system?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37421	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/21/2005
Subject: Re: Just set up my Christmas layout of AF trains

Photos are a must!!! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37422	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re;Lenz DCC-100 sound

Unless you intend to run multiple locomotives on one track, DCC is probably a waste of money. It can be a hassle to install, depending on the locomotive. If it is sound you're after, be advised that many S gauge locos are available with sound. DCC works best on large layouts or with modular set ups where you can really take advantage of it's features. If this is in your future plans, then go for it. Stumpy Stone...model railroading old guy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37423	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model!

Not all 336's came with the large motor; don't know the percentage that came with the small vs. the large motor. Mine that was the wunder-puller had the large motor. Roy > From: Robert King <robbyking@...> > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:46:18 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 4-8-4 The Original Gilbert Model! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > Jerry, I had a Gilbert Northern, and we put 45 cars on it at a train > show. Chuffed right along. It was quite a crowd pleaser. The motor was > original. > Roy Inman > ___________ > With all of the talk, I started searching on ebay... > I just won one on ebay last night, a 336 with what looks to be the > large motor. Did all or most of the 336 come with the large motor? > > Robby > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37424	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Lenz DCC-100 sound

Hi Stumpy, Everyone to his own of course, and I fully respect your opinion, but my experience is that DCC can add a lot of fun and realism to even a small layout. I especially like the excellent, very low speed control possible with back-emf decoders They are excellent for switching. Speed doesn't varie going through tight swiches or when he voltage to a section of track is a little low. Also the fact that you can have several locos on the layout all independently controllable and sitting with lights and sound on or off as you wish. Automatic reverse loops are sometimes very handy too. Also, I like to be able to control lights on the train the way I want it. Classification lights on the SHS F7s, Rule 17 headlight if I want, controlling lights in passenger cars in what I consider a realistic way for my railroad. Also, I love smoke, so having full voltage available for full smoke at all times, yet being able to shut it off from my throttle when visibility in my room drops, is also great! All SHS locos are available with DCC installed, and have sockets so that it is also an easy job to install it later. River Raisin shipped the Flying Yankee and Burlington Zephers with DCC sockets. I'm hoping as more S people implement DCC American Models will start installing DCC sockets as well. DCC installed or DCC ready is pretty much universal in HO. Other control systems (DCS and TMCC) also have most of these features, I prefer DCC because it is a standard not controlled by one company. I agree that DCC is even better on a layout where several people can operate at once. I run most weeks on a friend's layout with 4 mainline engineers, a yard and helper engineer, and a dispatcher. Really fun! Bill Clark, another model railroading Old Guy! At 10:53 AM 11/22/2005 +0000, Stumpy Stone wrote: >Unless you intend to run multiple locomotives on one track, DCC is >probably a waste of money. It can be a hassle to install, depending on >the locomotive. If it is sound you're after, be advised that many S >gauge locos are available with sound. > DCC works best on large layouts or with modular set ups where you >can really take advantage of it's features. If this is in your future >plans, then go for it. > Stumpy Stone...model railroading old guy. > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37425	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2858

Quick fix for knuckle couplers. DON'T glue!!! Just wrap a few turns ( depends on thickness ) of solder between the bottom of the coupler and the weight, uncoupling work good, only takes one coupler to open to uncouple. Link couplers, a strip of plastic ( width = to depth of link ) with a hole in each end to fit pins, it takes some time to couple but they won't come apart during operation. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37426	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Fall S Fest @ South Beloit

I'm surprised to see nothing has really been said on this list regarding the Fall S Fest. Even though I'm a dedicated scaler, I usually attend. Truth be known, I really attend to take advantage of the opportunity to meet up with a lot of S friends. Shocked to see Gerry Evans there, all the way from Flagstaff Az. I guess my 375 mile drive from Ohio was nothing by comparison. The event was well attended and represented by the presence of SHS, AM, Michigan Models, and a large number of other dealers and vendors. I even sold off a few unwanted Flyer stuff. Don and Mike (SHS) demonstrated their new 2-8-0 Consolidated with the Dallee sound system. The new, forthcoming AM Northern with the 8 wheel tender is just plain awsome! I was unable to hang around for the Saturday evening festivities. Consequently, I cannot report on that. All in all, I had a great time! I still have a number of NIB Flyer rolling stock for sale. Anyone interested, contact me off list and I will send you a listing. Gary Chudzinski chudgr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37427	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2858

I found to get the the best operation from both link and knuckle couplers, is to be sure they are adjusted correctly. Gilbert issued those instructions with couplers. If you follow them you won't have a problem. As far as repro couplers, there are some good some not so good and some just down right awfull. I have had no problems since using them from one particular source. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@j...> wrote: > > > Quick fix for knuckle couplers. DON'T glue!!! Just wrap a few turns ( > depends on thickness ) of solder between the bottom of the coupler and > the weight, uncoupling work good, only takes one coupler to open to > uncouple. Link couplers, a strip of plastic ( width = to depth of link ) > with a hole in each end to fit pins, it takes some time to couple but > they won't come apart during operation. > Jerry 77-11644 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37428	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: couplers

I've found that the link couplers respond well to adjustment and tuning, but that some knuckle couplers are just onerous and won't work no matter what you do. I once slammed one on the table out of frustration and it never malfunctioned again! I must have changed the vibration pattern that caused the weight to work its way up. The solder or insulated solid wire wrap on the weight post stops this from happening and can be easily removed to restore the car to original condition. The link couplers are desirable for passenger trains because they have a closer, more realistic spacing between cars. The 370 with the link bar is hopeless. There are conversion kits to turn it into a knuckle coupler. A handy thing to have is a car with a knuckle coupler on one end and a link coupler on the other. It allows you to have a mixed consist. Another idea is to have a car with a different coupler welded to the other side of one of the trucks so that the truck can be rotated to change the coupler. This won't work with lighted passenger cars, however. Joseph Higgins <joehigg@...> wrote: I found to get the the best operation from both link and knuckle couplers, is to be sure they are adjusted correctly. Gilbert issued those instructions with couplers. If you follow them you won't have a problem. As far as repro couplers, there are some good some not so good and some just down right awfull. I have had no problems since using them from one particular source. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs wrote: > > > Quick fix for knuckle couplers. DON'T glue!!! Just wrap a few turns ( > depends on thickness ) of solder between the bottom of the coupler and > the weight, uncoupling work good, only takes one coupler to open to > uncouple. Link couplers, a strip of plastic ( width = to depth of link ) > with a hole in each end to fit pins, it takes some time to couple but > they won't come apart during operation. > Jerry 77-11644 > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37429	From: muniman18	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: dumb question

looking at t&m guide they mention "coal pusher " what is that getting there slow but sure mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37430	From: Phil K	Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: dumb question

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@y...> wrote: > > looking at t&m guide they mention "coal pusher " what is that > getting there slow but sure mike ******************************************************************* The coal pusher is a separate add-on plastic piece (glued) to certain plastic Gilbert Flyer tenders. It is located in the center of the back end of the coal bin on the tender and sorta looks like a piston set in at a 45-degree angle. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37431	From: muniman18	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: TO ALL

THX FOR THE COME BACK RE COAL PUSHER. LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY BEING IN THE SERVICE KNEW WHAT A K.P. PUSHER WAS NOT THIS ALLOW ME TTO RAMBLE FOR A MOMENT WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING WE HAVE MUCH TO BE THANKFULL FOR AND WE OWE THAT TO PEOPLE WE MAY NEVER KNOW SO WHEN THE HOT TODDIES ARE PASSED AROUND RAISE IT UP TO A MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES AND QUIETLY THANK THEM........ MIKE...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37432	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re; Coal Pusher

As locomotives and their tenders grew, the fuel bunkers got big enough in some cases that all of the coal could not be gotten at as the supply went down. Either it couldn't be reached by the fireman or the stoker and therefore this extra capacity was useless. On some older, hand fired locomotives the fireman had to climb up into the coal pile and shovel it forward to put it within reach to shovel it into the boiler. Often a second fireman was needed, just to move coal and give the main fireman a break from firing the boiler. This was the typical on passenger locs such as the Pennsy K4 and most articualted engines in the days before stokers. The coal pusher was just that; a device that shoved the coal in the back of the fuel bunker forward where it could be reached by the stoker or fireman. In most cases it was used on stoker equipped engines. Stumpy Stone...steam loco fan, but glad to have never fired one!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37433	From: John Simms	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: 336 with Pull more motor

I have the 336 with a pull more moter. It does a good job, but whom ever it was that owned it before I found it in a garage sale, put it through the ringer. To follow up on a previous email, I am going to restore it. John Respectfully, John N. Simms p.s. Prov. 3:5&6 __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37434	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2859

> I'm hoping as more S people > implement DCC American Models will start installing DCC sockets as well. The SD60 and/or the E8 are (I think) both DCC ready. I found the cabling to the connector long so I did some trimming when I installed the decoders. And there's ample room to install a speaker on the E8 roof (well okay, IN the roof). Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37435	From: EUGENE HAGERMAN	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: RE Pikemaster

Hi All, I would like to take this time to thank all of you that helped me with the Pikemaster track, What a nice bunch of people, It makes me proud to belong to this group. Also I wish You a Happy Safe Thanksgiving and a very Merry Christmas......Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37436	From: Keith Blanchard	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Toxic Terminal News Advert

Hi Friends, We now have the Toxic Terminal back in the line. Many haved asked for a few more to be produced, so we are making another run comming off the line right now. Here is a link to the page http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/toxicterminal.htm Also, you can now reach our web site through http:www.pinecanyonmodels.com or http://www.pinecanyonrr.com Just a couple more of our doors to the site. Thank you all for your continued support in our favorite scale...S. Have a great holiday season, Keith Blanchard CEO Pine Canyon Scale Models.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37437	From: Phil K	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Coal and coal delivery systems (long)

Hey Stumpy -- You're right about coal needing to come down to the fireman at the front of the tender. The fireman had a really tough job. In the UP's 4-8-8-4s, and other humongous locomotives, the coal bunker bottom had the sides angled downwards toward the middle. There was (is) a huge auger in a pit running the length of the bunker fore and aft to move coal forward in the Big Boys. On locomotives with no pusher or auger, the fireman had to shovel coal almost constantly, only pausing to help the engineer get the train safely around left-hand curves. On those left turns, the engineer could not see the track ahead. The fireman also helped the engineer keep an eye on the critical water glass -- until years of technological improvements produced a low-water warning alert system for the boiler's crown sheet. Sometimes the fireman had to take a steam line into the bunker during winter to thaw out frozen coal at the bottom. While the augers did a good job of delivering coal to the firebox, the fireman still had to hand-shovel coal to the sides and front of the huge fireboxes to keep his fire even, as the auger mainly dumped coal into the middle of the firebox. Most of the augers were steam driven, of course. So were the coal pushers, although some of each type also worked off compressed air. Keeping a perfect fire going to keep the steam pressure up was an art form and a talented fireman was worth his weight in gold. Coal of various sizes was stored in bins in each yard, then moved to coaling towers. Different locomotive coal-moving systems required lumps of a certain size to work most effectively. In the UP Big Boys, for instance, you HAD to have an automatic coal delivery system because they were designed and built to pull long freights over steep grades -- even two fireman shoveling like maniacs couldn't keep the fire hot enough going up those grades in Wyoming if there was no auger delivery system. Those Big Boys gobbled coal like pro football linemen eating at a buffet. On the downgrades, though, the firemen could take a breather and let gravity be their friend. Ideally, locomotives used two of the four main types of coal: Bituminous coal (best) is softer and contains 45-86 percent carbon. It has two to three times the heating value of lignite or subbitumious coal (third and fourth best). It is the most abundant rank of coal found in the U.S., accounting for about half of U.S. coal production. Bituminous is used to generate electricity and is an important fuel and raw material for the steel and iron industries. Most railroads preferred bituminous because it would get a hot fire going quicker. Anthracite (second best) is "hard coal" and contains 86-97 percent carbon. Its heating value is slightly lower than bituminous coal, but is still considered the best grade. Unfortunately, anthracite is very rare in the United States. The only anthracite mines in the United States are located in 11 counties in northeastern Pennsylvania. It burns slightly slower than bituminous and takes a longer time to get going, and therefore was less slightly less desireable for railroad locomotive use because of its "lag time" in getting up to temperature. But you also could use slightly less to generate the same BTUs as bituminous. As an aside, railroads in the coal days did a pretty good job of recycling -- cinders were used around yards and also sold to local towns in snow areas for traction on streets during the pre-salt days. Cinders were cheaper, but they also plugged up sewer catch basins during thaws. However, using cinders often plugged up roadbed ballast, too, and the poor drainage caused wooden ties to rot more quickly. They're having that problem with coal dust blowing out of hoppers and ruining the roadbed today on the main lines in the Powder River basin. I have posted a photo of the coal bunker with auger on UP 4-8-8-4 Big Boy X4017: http://tinyurl.com/9jsmn Feeling like writing today, as we approach Turkey Day. Phil K ************************************************************ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > As locomotives and their tenders grew, the fuel bunkers got big enough > in some cases that all of the coal could not be gotten at as the > supply went down. Either it couldn't be reached by the fireman or the > stoker and therefore this extra capacity was useless. On some older, > hand fired locomotives the fireman had to climb up into the coal pile > and shovel it forward to put it within reach to shovel it into the > boiler. Often a second fireman was needed, just to move coal and give > the main fireman a break from firing the boiler. This was the typical > on passenger locs such as the Pennsy K4 and most articualted engines > in the days before stokers. > The coal pusher was just that; a device that shoved the coal in the > back of the fuel bunker forward where it could be reached by the > stoker or fireman. In most cases it was used on stoker equipped > engines. > Stumpy Stone...steam loco fan, but glad to have never fired one! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37438	From: muniman18	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: folow up dumb question

ive learned a ton {pun intended} . for all you cal people the town of colinga is named after coaling station "a" guess when trains came off the tehatchapie pass need coal. mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37439	From: Phil K	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest @ South Beloit

Like Gary, I thought Fall S-Fest in South Beloit was terrific, as always. Fall S-Fest just may be the most underrated S gauge show in the hobby. The trading room was all abuzz during the entire run of the show. It was very well-attended, and there was PLENTY of all grades of Gilbert Flyer, as well as Flyonel, SHS and AM stuff to be oogled and haggled over. There also were plenty of old friends, and I met some new ones, too. At least in that room, you knew you had something in common with just about everyone. We're all just a little bit nuts. As an aside, I also attended the NASG National Convention in Altoona last summer. The trading floor there was -- in my opinion -- much too small for a "national" event, and was not open enough hours -- the latter discouraged bigger dealers like John Heck from attending. At the NASG, for us high-railers there was very little to be had. Hardly any quality Gilbert production, and perhaps an overload (too much competition) of dealers selling the same SHS and AM products. Back to S-Fest. Don Thompson had one of S-Helper Service's soon-to-be-delivered Consolidations running on rollers, and the sound quality and details/workmanship is of the highest caliber. It was also fun on Saturday morning to watch the beehive of activity around Heck's offerings, as he ran his usual "Count Down The Clock" sale -- knocking prices down on items on several special tables by percentage discounts every half-hour -- until the final phase, where the remaining stuff was free. It was great for kids just getting started in S, which is John's intent. I picked up a Santa Fe blue and yellow 484/485/486 ABA set in E condition, which I needed. Then I grabbed a 715 with the original armored car load. The a few Flyonel freight cars I needed. Then I found on Gary Clark's table an E 503 satin silver observation car, which completed a set I've been trying to assemble for years. While all of those passenger wagons (500, 501, 502, 503) are hard to find, it is the first 503 I've seen ANYWHERE in the last five years -- including eBay. Although pricey, I knew from past experience that if I didn't buy it then and there, I'd be upset with myself all the way home. So I pulled the trigger and wrote the check. Gary always has such good stuff, it's a wonder he doesn't need a mop to wipe all the drool off the floor near his tables. Terry Putt also had for me the 2-4-4 Rex Suburban I ordered at the NASG at Altoona, and I can't wait to break it in. He also brought a pair of North Shore trolleys I ordered in Altoona that will run through my Christmas village in a few days. So it seemed like a good time was had by all. By the way, the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers will host Fall S-Fest next year at the huge exhibition center adjacent to the Holiday Inn in Tinley Park, Illinois, where we hosted it in 2002. We have major plans for that event, and will again be able to have multiple layouts set up in a common area open to the public at no charge. Mark the dates: Nov. 2-3-4, 2006. Phil K *************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chudzinski" <chudgr@e...> wrote: > > > I'm surprised to see nothing has really been said on this list regarding > the Fall S Fest. Even though I'm a dedicated scaler, I usually attend. > Truth be known, I really attend to take advantage of the opportunity to > meet up with a lot of S friends. Shocked to see Gerry Evans there, all the > way from Flagstaff Az. I guess my 375 mile drive from Ohio was nothing by > comparison. > The event was well attended and represented by the presence of SHS, AM, > Michigan Models, and a large number of other dealers and vendors. I even > sold off a few unwanted Flyer stuff. Don and Mike (SHS) demonstrated their > new 2-8-0 Consolidated with the Dallee sound system. The new, forthcoming > AM Northern with the 8 wheel tender is just plain awsome! I was unable to > hang around for the Saturday evening festivities. Consequently, I cannot > report on that. All in all, I had a great time! > I still have a number of NIB Flyer rolling stock for sale. Anyone > interested, contact me off list and I will send you a listing. > > Gary Chudzinski > chudgr@e... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37440	From: Phil K	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Whoops! One more thing... RDCs available

Tom Hodgson was also at Fall S-Fest with a variety of wares from his American High-Rail stable. He had his new slant-nosed diesel locomotive shells (they use either Gilbert or Flyonel chassis) for sale, as well as his latest offering -- RDCs. The Rail Diesel Car, also known as the RDC or Budd Car, was a series of self-propelled diesel passenger trains produced by the Budd company of Philadelphia between 1949 and 1962. Tom has two styles of RDCs, both powered -- and offers them either unlettered or lettered in several road names. Limited quantities, of course. I think he's asking $220 for DC versions and the AC version is about $60 more. I didn't bring a camera with me on this trip, otherwise I'd post a photo. I do have photos of some of his previous offerings at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup22 He has no catalog or web site. He said to call him to inquire as to which products he still has available. He operates out of Spring Grove, IL, and his number is (847) 587-1116. Be prepared to leave a message and wait a day or three for him to return your call, as he is extremely busy -- the trains are a "heavy hobby" for him. The usual disclaimer: I have no financial connection with Tom other than as a happy customer. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37441	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: folow up dumb question

*****(((((((ive learned a ton {pun intended} . for all you cal people the town of colinga is named after coaling station "a" guess when trains came off the tehatchapie pass need coal. mike )))))******** "COA-linga" is in MY neck-o-the woods! I'll have to check that out Mike,.......it's not exactly close to the "Loop". ( TEHACHAPI LOOP ) But maybe close enough! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37442	From: Al	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Turkey Funnies

Al <alr@...> wrote: Happy Thanksgiving!! --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37443	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Special Invitation

Commencing on December 3rd, all are invited if traveling thru Jacksonville to stop and see the "Jax S Ville" train layout at my home, It has been an exciting and rewarding year since converting from that O guage 3 rail train line, to the Best which is S. Wishing and hoping that my new SHelper WM Consolidation arrives along with the new Flyer and American Models Northerns, if not have plenty of other great engines for all to enjoy. Recently just added a new Rail yard, some of the layout prior to addition can be seen on www.myflyertrains.com. under albums: "Jax S Ville". Yall come now yahear! Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37444	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: Whoops! One more thing... RDCs available

Phil, Do you know if Tom's RDCs are scale length? I know of none offered so far that are scale length. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37445	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Pity the poor fireman...

While we're on the subject of firing steam locomotives... Most of the well known Pennsy K4 passenger locomotives were hand fired! If you've ever ridden in the cab of a steam locomotive, you know they ride anything but steady. Picture the poor fireman trying to keep up with the voracious appetite of the boiler at speed while keeping his footing on the heaving engine deck! That's why one of the nicknames for firemen was "ash cat." Often two firemen worked these engines on name trains like The Broadway Limited (which, by the way, was named for the Pennsy's "broad roadway", not the New York theater district.) The Erie Railroad had a few huge Triplex articulated locomotives (3 sets of drivers)which were hand fired and required three firemen. Because they were never able to keep pressure up in the boiler as fast as the three sets of cylinders used it, these locos were relagated to low speed helper service on steep grades. Even then, three firemen took the loco up the hill, rode it back down, and three new firemen took it up the next time while the first three rested! Until the mechanical stoker came along, the fireman's life could be hell! Unfortunately, some railroads never had locomotives with these devices! Stumpy Stone...steam powered in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37446	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: S Scale RDCs - Lettered/Painted for the B&O?

Phil, I gather from your note that Tom may have some (S-scale) RDC's lettered for the B&O? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37447	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4

Since we've had quite a discussion about the AF UP 4-8-4 NORTHERN, here are some photos of the last one left, the UP 814, on display in Council Bluffs, Iowa. You may not recognize it at first. It has a different tender, from a later 800 series class, and smoke deflectors and a Mars light added. These were all done while it was in regular service. It was donated in Council Bluffs in the early 1960's. First it was at Dodge Park, then moved by truck - and it was quitw a task, done by a house mover - to the new location, by 16th Avenue and South Main. http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP814-1.jpg http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP814-2.JPG http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP814-3.JPG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37448	From: beebear	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: John sent you a Thanksgiving e-card

Dear Friends and family, John <beebear@...> sent you a Thanksgiving e-card*, compliments of Fisher-Price(R)! To view this e-card, please click on the link below... we hope you enjoy it! http://www.fisher-price.com/us/ecards/pickupecard.asp?id=149758

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37449	From: Alistair McAllister	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: AF 3/16" Atlatic O gauge wheels

Slightly off topic but to go with my increasing stable of S gauge Flyer Atlantics I have picked up a rough 1941 AF Atlantic (direct ancestor of the 300) in that other gauge. anyone know of a source of repro drive wheels please? Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37450	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: UP 4-8-4 pictures - continued

Regarding my message with the pictures, it got sent before I was ready. I hope that you enjoy the pictures. If anyone wants directions on finding the 814, let me know and I'll give you directions. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37451	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Selling some kits and other things

I'm selling some kits and other things now. I plan to sell more rolling stock and engines soon too. All of it on eBay. Here is a list of what I have so far up on eBay as of tonight. More to come later, like Friday after T-day... No reserve on any of it. 1) New Lehigh Valley Models LVM28 Bulk Oil Depot NR 2) New Bar Mills Reddy Kilowatt Billboard NR 3) New Bar Mills Bekins Van Lines Billboard NR The best way to find my stuff is to search by my seller name "jmarinello" and set up automatic email notifications of new stuff as I put it up for sale. If you need any help setting this up, email me and I can help you. The other way is by the item numbers: 6016314285, 6016315864, 6016323151 Thanks much and have a great Thanksgiving! --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37452	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2860

<<<1941 AF Atlantic (direct ancestor of the 300) in that other gauge. anyone know of a source of repro drive wheels>>> We have 'em..... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37453	From: kgarber@cogeco.ca	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest 2860 - RDCs

> > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:18:39 EST > From: jnr59@... > Subject: Re: Whoops! One more thing... RDCs available > > Phil, > > Do you know if Tom's RDCs are scale length? I know of none offered so far > that are scale length. > > Jack Riely > They're approximately 73 feet in length. And noting one of the other messages in this digest: The RDC3 is $220; the RDC1 is $230 although I may have reversed the prices. Both are DC Hirail. He does not have scale wheels. Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37454	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Thanksgiving

- GreetingS - This is a wonderful day to wish each and everyone a joyous and meaningful Thanksgiving. Let us continue to join together in raising an appreciation of S gauge in every person. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37455	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Thanks to all!

During this Thanksgiving weekend I would like to thank each of you for your contributions to this list, and your willingness to help everyone with their train questions! We should all be thankful today that we have such a fantastic group of people with a common thread. Mike Leahy Boulder, CO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37456	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Thanksgiving/tidbits

Happy Thanksgiving to all!! :) And would just like to pass along a couple of ideas that have I have put into practice whilst trying to recover from a herniated disc. I have been doing photography for a living for nearly 50 years, and have seen lots of changes of course. The most dramatic has been the massive switch to digital. As a consequence, most of the artifacts of the old world technology of photograph continue to be dumped on the market. At least a couple of things I am finding quite useful: -Print developing trays of various sizes to work on and hold parts of everything from locos to rolling stock to trees, etc. I found a set of 8x10 inch trays for .25 at a local garage sale. The old photo store sells them for a buck a piece. -Ferrotype tins, formerly used for achieving a gloss on prints, can be had for $5.00 or so. These are great for building structures, because they are steel, flat, come in various sizes. I use mine with magnets to keep building sides square. Cheers :) Roy I nman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37457	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing

We wish all a very happy Thanksgiving. Linda called in ths AM, and the hospital said, 'Oh, we don't need you today. Half-hour later they called, "We need you today" so she's at work. I'm playing hooky, and will verifify the registration number on our "new" model T, then work on the heater ducting. BTW, Know why they call it Duck Tape?? . . . . 'cause its used to seal Quacks! He he he. Interesting thread on prototype coal burners. The famous Flying Scotsman series were hand bombers too. The tenders (yep, two, extra water) have an inside walkway so the crews could change without stopping the train.The walkway is very narrow (I got to go through it when the Scotsman was in San Francisco on display--decades ago!). The cab atmosphere is completely different in a coal burner than in an oil burner--for one thing, you don't have the burner roar, and the coal smells better! :) OTOH, in an oil burner, the fireman is happier! S'incerely David & Linda Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37458	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing

Hmm, Larry's right about the cab heat! I didn't think about that, 'cause I've not been in one in the cold. I've only been in one running coal cab, and the difference was so pronounced from what I was used to. Down here in the valley though, most of the time you don't want cab heat, keep them winders open, and the hatch too!! BTW, that story shows the typical relationship between an old hogger and a newbie, at least what has been passed down in writings. Gobble Gobble Gobble PS. What else kinda humor did you expect from a guy who signs onto the chat as "the Duck"??? Hmm, clouds coming in, we may get rain today--been a while! S' David D. -- Home alone--uh oh!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37459	From: Ironhorse	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Modeling details

Happy Holidays to all; I am modeling my RR during the 1900 era. I am looking for a variety of horses and buggies for that time period. Some how my 1950s cars don't look right with that theme. I have a few 1920s cars but I need older stuff. I also would like rolling stock for that time period. Can anyone help me in my goal ? Roger Hinds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37460	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing

DUCK is easier to say than DUCT, which is the reason it was developed. For those of the "tin-knocker" persuasion. Jim "got the scars" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37461	From: Ironhorse	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Lenz DCC-100 sound

I converted some of my ACG to can motors and DCC. It is a hassle to install if you aren't skilled to do the installation. I added a fuse with the circuit board to protect it. Anyway, DCC allows slower speed. You will have constant lighting even with the locco stopped. The steamers will smoke even at the slowest speed. About sound; You will have a bell, properly timed chugging, a whistle and horn. You can change the tone in the horn, the type of lights, the whistle tone, when you want the lights to go on and off for forward and reverse. With the case of a flyer steam sound you can turn off the digital chugging since you have flyer chugging. There are probably other features I don't know about. Roger Swing and Sway the S gauge way. ;o) Stumpy Stone wrote: >Unless you intend to run multiple locomotives on one track, DCC is >probably a waste of money. It can be a hassle to install, depending on >the locomotive. If it is sound you're after, be advised that many S >gauge locos are available with sound. > DCC works best on large layouts or with modular set ups where you >can really take advantage of it's features. If this is in your future >plans, then go for it. > Stumpy Stone...model railroading old guy. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37462	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy T-Day! & Hand bombing

On Nov 24, 2005, at 11:09 AM, David Dewey wrote: > We wish all a very happy Thanksgiving. > Linda called in ths AM, and the hospital said, 'Oh, we don't need > you today. > Half-hour later they called, "We need you today" so she's at work. I'm > That what happens when you answer the phone with out a caller ID box. > playing hooky, and will verifify the registration number on our > "new" model > T, then work on the heater ducting. BTW, Know why they call it Duck > Tape?? > . > . It was developed to seal joints on the heating and air condistion ducts and the correct name is Duct tape not duck tape. WE get sloppy with our word pronunciation. > . > . > 'cause its used to seal Quacks! > He he he. > > Interesting thread on prototype coal burners. The famous Flying > Scotsman > series were hand bombers too. The tenders (yep, two, extra water) > have an > inside walkway so the crews could change without stopping the > train. The > walkway is very narrow (I got to go through it when the Scotsman > was in San > Francisco on display--decades ago!). The cab atmosphere is completely > different in a coal burner than in an oil burner--for one thing, > you don't > have the burner roar, and the coal smells better! :) OTOH, in an > oil burner, > the fireman is happier! > S'incerely > David & Linda Dewey > > I must disagree with you when you say a fireman is happier with an oil burner. The engine crew and head brakeman hated the oil burners on the UPRR. They had cold cabs in the winter time. A fire box full of hot coals makes the cab cozy. All the heat you get off an oil burner is a little off the back head which comes from the steam and not the fire box. Also flues had to be sanded on a regular bases. But you did not have to do that on a coal burner. Of course coal burners had stokers. I had a brother in law firing on the UPRR on a 5000 engine (2-10-2) and the stoker quit. He jumped down on the deck and tried to hand fire but at 40 MPH there is no way a man can keep up. The hog head let him try for a while then as the steam was falling the hog head said "Open the trap door in the floor to the elevators and dump the coal there. It is the screw that quit". He said he wanted to rap the hog head in the head with the shovel for not telling him sooner. This was only his third trip and knew very little about the engines yet. I have been in a lot of steam engines fired with coal and oil and there was no fire box smell unless you were a poor fireman. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37463	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4

Message: 17 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:39:54 -0600 From: Mike Vana <amflyer@...> Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4 Since we've had quite a discussion about the AF UP 4-8-4 NORTHERN, here are some photos of the last one left, the UP 814, on display in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Here are some pictures of UP 833 in Utah. Would this be the same class?? http://www.theunionstation.org/museums/usrrmuseum/usrrmuseum2.html Larry Oberman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37464	From: John Foley	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Modeling details

Hi Roger Have you tried Rems http://www.remsmodels.com/SKits.html they have some old time freight car kits. Also "Ye Olde Huff n Puff" has some too. http://www.yeoldehuffnpuff.com/ Fun and Games has some great looking horses http://www.scalefigures.com/SDEFG/sdefg.htm John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ironhorse" <cofa@...> To: "Don Thompson" <don@...> Cc: "S Scale e-group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "Showcaseline e-group" <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com>; "S Train e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:06 Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Modeling details > Happy Holidays to all; > > I am modeling my RR during the 1900 era. I am looking for a variety > of horses and > buggies for that time period. Some how my 1950s cars don't look right > with that theme. > I have a few 1920s cars but I need older stuff. > I also would like rolling stock for that time period. > > Can anyone help me in my goal ? > > Roger Hinds > > > To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use REPLY. For those of you on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list (remember to edit the SUBJECT of your message). > > Change message settings, use our CALENDAR or LINKS, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37465	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

Praying that you all have something to be thankful for this year. Our troops in the Gulf might be one. Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37466	From: faltrain5	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: DC Union pacific and needs help starting.....answers?

Guys, A perfect new in box "challenger" 4-8-4 Gilbert American flyer silver lettering 332 union pacific!!!!! But it isn't running. Does it have something to do with the DC???? It hums and everything but just won't budge. WHY??? Do i have to get a DC inverter or just switch the wires around on the transformer or what??? NEED HELP Answers???? Geoffrey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37467	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: TCA Looking for "Modern Era" Train Authors

The "so called" modern era of toy train manufacturing extends from 1970 to date. Many TCA members have an interest in this era, particularly in toy trains manufactured over the last 5 years or so. Technology has grown by leaps and bounds as have scale like qualities and appearance. The TCA Quarterly (TCA's magazine published quarterly) is looking for an author or authors who have the knowledge and are willing to write articles that cover the aforementioned modern era. Subject areas such as modern operation (TMCC + Protosound), collectibles, product reviews, noteworthy layouts (of any size) covering Lionel, MTH, K-Line, American Models, Weaver, Marx et al. Please contact TCA Quarterly Editor, Mark Boyd ( _tcqeditor@..._ (mailto:tcqeditor@...) ) or Mike Spanier ( _hspanier@..._ (mailto:hspanier@...) ) if you have an interest in modern era toy trains or have questions. Mark Boyd TCA#77-10940 Mike Spanier TCA 85-21856 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37468	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

To all, just had about 25 at the house for Thanksgiving lunch. It is quieting down now, and I had to take time to wish all a Happy Thanksgiving and express my thanks for such a great group. Getting a great education on Flyer, and enjoying refurbishing these great old classics. Thanks to all, from Western North Carolina, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37469	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Looking to sell and looking to buy

I have the following cars to sell for a friend: all are like new. Pennsylvania Hoppers Composite hopper set of 3 #2 (SHS#01226) plus the extra car #8. (SHS#01227) These cars have scale wheels installed and Kadee couplers without the little spacers under the trucks. I can add the SHS knuckle couplers for them (trim off the end to use as a spacer if you want) but I don't think I have enough high rail wheels. $100 Plus $8 ship to USA. Panel side Hopper (SHS#00997) same story as above $30 plus $5 ship to USA. All 5 for $125 plus $9 shipping to USA. _____________________________ I am looking for a Single or Pair of American Models BNSF SD60's Need to be highrail but can be AC or DC. _______________________________ I also have a pair of AM Pennsylvania Trainmaster diesels in AC hi-rail to trade for either the above SD-60's or Trainmasters in Southern Pacific or Canada Pacific. Thanks Eric Kenmore, Wa. Ebay: er099 TCA 87-26227 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37470	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Thanksgiving/tidbits

Bob and all, A friend who runs Collectors Choice Train shop here in the KC area has me on the lookout to collect for him those film canisters of which Bob speaks. Norm Hussey manufactures and sells a nifty foam cradle for working on locos/rolling stock, and he imbeds the plastic canisters at the top edge of the cradle to provide places for those small parts, lube, etc. He makes the cradles in various sizes, including S. Hmmmm....now I am curious as to the purpose Frank Titman might have in mind for the empty Polaroid pack...? In addition to not being able to find the pro stuff as easily, processing is becoming problematical. The local lab that used to run E-6 (transparency film) every two hours, sometimes quicker if a person really needed it, now does it once a day at a cost of 33% more. BTW, I have a COMPLETE, exhibition-production-level B&W darkroom for sale. Cheap. If anyone has an interest, contact me off line. Roy Inman > From: Bob Werre <bob@...> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:16:07 -0600 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Cc: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Thanksgiving/tidbits > > Roy and All,, don't forget the clear or now milky 35 mm film canisters > that are the best thing for storing small parts, mixing small quantities > of paints etc. I have a nice piece of 1 x 2 with holes drilled every > two inches or so in a row that holds 20 plus film cans containing many > of the parts I use when building kits. Get them now as film (for > professionals) is getting harder to find. > Also don't forget the old film spools from you old 120/620/127 > cameras, cut them up for junk loads. When I photographed Frank Titman's > layout a few years back, I would do a Polaroid test shot to check my > lighting and composition. After 10 shots the pack is empty so I tossed > it away, but Frank quickly grabbed the pack and stashed it away. I > figured he might come out with a kit someday utilizing parts of that > holder proving the trash/treasure thing is still with us. > > Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37471	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: DC Union pacific and needs help starting.....answers?

Yes, a 332 DC will only run on direct current. If you try to run it on AC from a regular transformer it will just buzz trying to change direction 120 times a second. You will need either a DC transformer, a Gilbert rectiformer, or a bridge rectifier, from an electronics parts supplier, like Radio Shack. A rectifier is a little black package with four leads, two for AC in and two for DC out. The DC output leads will be marked plus and minus. Get one that can handle more than 50 volts and 5 amps. They cost just a couple dollars. The output leads of the transformer connect to the AC leads and the DC leads are connected to the track. You may want to add a DPDT switch to reverse the plus and minus for changing direction. And you may want to add another DPDT switch to switch the track power between AC and DC (All your other Flyer AC engines will still work on DC, but the sound in a 314AW, Flyonel, and other engines needs AC or the whistle/horn will be continuous.) You may also want to add a big capacitor wired across the DC leads (maintaining polarity) to smooth out the DC and get a little power boost. OR, You could also convert the engine to AC, by either adding a reverse unit and a rectifier to the engines wiring or by adding the reverse unit and replacing the permanent magnet with a field coil. faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote: Guys, A perfect new in box "challenger" 4-8-4 Gilbert American flyer silver lettering 332 union pacific!!!!! But it isn't running. Does it have something to do with the DC???? It hums and everything but just won't budge. WHY??? Do i have to get a DC inverter or just switch the wires around on the transformer or what??? NEED HELP Answers???? Geoffrey --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37472	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4

Larry Oberman wrote: >Here are some pictures of UP 833 in Utah. >Would this be the same class?? >http://www.theunionstation.org/museums/usrrmuseum/usrrmuseum2.html If "833" is the original loco #, no. The Little 800s were numbered no higher than 824. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37473	From: jayhoo64	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4

Many thanx for the pic links, Mike! I'm looking at my 336 which is on a shelf behind my monitor. Even with the smoke ears and the up-graded tender, the Gilbert Northern can still be seen easily in #814. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37474	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re;Modeling details

Roger, I'm kind of a "multi era" guy. I use my Putt Suburban and soon (hopefully) my Putt Mogul to model the 1920s era. I'm converting Bachmann On30 rolling stock to S gauge to represent this era. It's reasonably inexpensive and easy to do. You can often find the freight cars on sale. Just file off the coupler boxes and mount S Helper or American Models trucks and couplers using the Bachmann screws and small washers. Paint and decaling helps the look of these cars, but isn't really necessary if you don't want to. American Models' wood caboose is a truss rod type and looks right at home in the early era. And you might want to try scratchbuilding the simple older cars from that era out of stripwood, it's not too tough. When I want to go to a newer era, I swap out the automobiles to later models and use regular S Helper and American Models stuff as well as Flyonel, Gilbert, etc. By changing eras, you to get more use out of one layout, and an excuse to buy or build more goodies! Stumpy Stone...more trains, more trains!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37475	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: Modeling details

Roger - You can get excellent horses at http://www.theaspenmodelingcompany.com/ Their website even has instructions on painting them. Dick Aurora, OH Roger Hinds asked: I am modeling my RR during the 1900 era. I am looking for a variety of horses and buggies for that time period. Some how my 1950s cars don't look right with that theme. I have a few 1920s cars but I need older stuff. I also would like rolling stock for that time period. Can anyone help me in my goal ? Roger Hinds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37476	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Duck Tape, The real story

Here is a link to the development of Duck Tape, which is the original name. Jim Duncan www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37477	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: Duck Tape, The real story, really

Here is a more in depth analysis of the question in which the "duck tape" story is questioned as possibly legend. http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-duc4.htm kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: Here is a link to the development of Duck Tape, which is the original name. Jim Duncan www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37478	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: DC Union pacific and needs help starting.....answers?

Nobody answered to the list so just in case nobody answered to you personally I am sending this. I assume that since you mention DC in the title that you know for sure this is a DC engine. When you say transformer, are you powering it with a Gilbert (or any other brand) AC transformer? If you are, then switching the wires will not do anything for you. If you are in fact using a normal Gilbert/Americanflyer (or any other brand)AC transformer you do not need an inverter what you need is a rectifier. If you have any DC power source around the house that will put out around 6Volts and 500ma or so you could use it to test power the tender wheels and see what happens. Unless something is stuck or damaged I believe this should run the wheels with no load. If that is not handy you could go to radioshack and get a full wave bridge rectifier. Hook your transformer up to the tabs marked "ac" and then you can pull off the taps marked + and - to connect to the track or direct to the tender wheels. I hope you have not put too much power to this with your AC (assuming that is what you have) transformer as you could have caused some damage if this was done for a very long period. ----- Original Message ----- From: "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] DC Union pacific and needs help starting.....answers? > Guys, A perfect new in box "challenger" 4-8-4 Gilbert American flyer > silver lettering 332 union pacific!!!!! But it isn't running. Does it > have something to do with the DC???? It hums and everything but just > won't budge. WHY??? Do i have to get a DC inverter or just switch the > wires around on the transformer or what??? > > NEED HELP Answers???? > > Geoffrey > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37479	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: brass Berksire Locamotive Supply kit just listed on ebay

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37480	From: Greg Klein	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Festival of Trains - B&0 Museum

Its hard to believe the Holiday Season is Here!! The B&O Museum starts its Festival of Trains thiss weekend. The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be operating their modular layout and winter snow village at the museum the weekend of December 3 and 4. If you live in the Baltimore/Washington Area and enjoy toy trains and the real ones too, this is a great opportunity to see them both. Come and visit with us "old boys" as we play with our toys, so bring out the family and friends and enjoy a Baltimore tradition of model trains during the Holidays. Happy Holidays!! Greg BAAFC P.S. And don't forget NASG 2007 is in Baltimore.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37481	From: alhbaker	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?

We all know about Pull-Mor wheels, and that adding a Pull-Mor tire to a non-Pull-Mor wheel doesn't work good. Has anybody tried coating the metal wheel with something like rubber cement? Is there anything that you can just paint on or glue on (other than Pull-Mor tires)? Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37482	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?

Why do you say "We all know about Pull-Mor wheels, and that adding a Pull-Mor tire to a non-Pull-Mor wheel doesn't work good." I've done it and it seems to work. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "alhbaker" <albaker33@c...> wrote: > > We all know about Pull-Mor wheels, and that adding a Pull-Mor tire to > a non-Pull-Mor wheel doesn't work good. Has anybody tried coating the > metal wheel with something like rubber cement? Is there anything > that you can just paint on or glue on (other than Pull-Mor tires)? > Al >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37483	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 27, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37484	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?

Hi Joe, I ran into 2 problems: -When you put a Pull-Mor tire on a regular drive wheel, because of the thickness of that tire, there is not much flange height left, so the engine jumps the track a lot. -It makes the diameter of that wheel longer than the diameter of a regular wheel. Therefore it raises the rear of the engine (assuming Pull-Mor is on rear). It can be quite noticeable, and also cause the pilot to contact track. I'd be curious how you made it work. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Higgins" <joehigg@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping? > Why do you say "We all know about Pull-Mor wheels, and that adding a > Pull-Mor tire to a non-Pull-Mor wheel doesn't work good." > > I've done it and it seems to work. > > Joe > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "alhbaker" <albaker33@c...> wrote: >> >> We all know about Pull-Mor wheels, and that adding a Pull-Mor tire > to >> a non-Pull-Mor wheel doesn't work good. Has anybody tried coating > the >> metal wheel with something like rubber cement? Is there anything >> that you can just paint on or glue on (other than Pull-Mor tires)? >> Al >> > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37485	From: hspanier@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Duck / Duct Tape + JEP "S" Gauge Trains

In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:30:55 AM Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Re: Duck Tape, The real story, really Here is a more in depth analysis of the question in which the "duck tape" story is questioned as possibly legend. http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-duc4.htm kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: Here is a link to the development of Duck Tape, which is the original name. Jim Duncan _www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html_ (http://www.octanecreative.com/ducttape/duckvsduct.html) Good morning to all. I must admit I found these 2 links abosolutely intriguing for some strange reason! Go figure! Who is not familiar with duck (duct) tape!<G> Thanks for the links. Now I need to find a creative way to utilize these links! Anyone have any "S" gauge JEP trains to provide photo's? Mike Spanier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37486	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Magnetized E Unit?

My 343 has a problem where when I lift up the handle on the transformer to have the E Unit cycle, usually it stays latched and does not drop. I did a medium level cleaning on it which changed nothing. I wondered maybe if piece of the metal have become magnetized or something. A tap on the tender can make it drop, frequently. Needless to say it is in no condition for yard switching at this time. Suggestions? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37487	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?

You are exactly correct in what you say. The solution (or at least the BEST one) is to rebuild your existing rear drivers with new pullmor rubber rims. We have those in stock in both the narrow-flange (earlier engines) and the wide-flange (later engines) versions. The rubber on these rims is a vulcanized rubber tread surface....not glue-on bands that usually do not last very long. We also have replacement pullmor wheels for diesels, with vulcanized rubber tread and face (like the later Gilbert diesel PM wheels). ----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- <<<I ran into 2 problems: -When you put a Pull-Mor tire on a regular drive wheel, because of the thickness of that tire, there is not much flange height left, so the engine jumps the track a lot. -It makes the diameter of that wheel longer than the diameter of a regular wheel. Therefore it raises the rear of the engine (assuming Pull-Mor is on rear). It can be quite noticeable, and also cause the pilot to contact track.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37488	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re;Duck Tape, Duct Tape,etc.

Just to throw more stuff in the game.....We know "duck tape" is an old generic term for cotton tape. "Duct" tape was invented for sealing around heating pipes, or ducts. There is also a duct tape now that goes by the brand name "Duck Tape." We have yet to scratch the surface in this product's use in auto racing. It comes in various colors and strengths and is sold as "Racer Tape" or commonly refered to as "100 mile an hour tape." No doubt if you have watched any NASCAR racing on TV, you've seen this used. It gets an even bigger workout at your local speedway! Some of us used to get a TV show from Canada called the "Red Green Show" The title character was kind of a Northern redneck guy named Red Greene. He was a master of duct tape! Everything could be repaired or modified with duct tape. I would shudder to think of what the budget for duct tape was for this show! "If the ladies don't find ya' handsome, at least let 'em find ya' handy"...Red Greene 1989. Stumpy Stone...graduate of Duct Tape University.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37489	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Slipping metal rim drive wheels

OK All, Now for a little AF secret: There are two different diameter of wheel rims!!!! Early, non-pull mor, and later pullmor. If you just put pullmor rims/or wheels on an early engine, it will not sit level, and the pilot can strike the rail on grade changes, Brrzzzzzt! If you mix up the rims on a loco while repairing it, it will wobble and derail, and drive you crazy trying to figure out what's wrong (gee, sounds like I've been there---and YES that does answer some questions on my sanity, or lack thereof). Now in my early days (high school, actually) my cousin's Silver Bullet engine couldn't pull my passenger set (made up of bits and pieces, aluminum combo car, rest plastic), so I took some friction tape and put it on the rear drivers. worked for quite a while! Not that I would recommend that today, but it did work for years! Gotta go, work is calling me. . .or is that the voices again???? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37490	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?

To all: I did reply direct to Al on this yesterday but will copy to all with a bit more info. For the period up to the Pull-Mor (PM) wheels being introduced, the diameter of the steam rims works out around 29.50 mm +/- For the PM rims and non PM rims on same chassis they both come out around 30.80 mm +/- This give us a difference of 1.30mm roughly. Divide this by 2 and the actual height difference in fitting a PM rim to an early chassis is only 0.65mm in favour of the front end being lower. Not enough I feel to worry about. The topic regarding the high and low flanges causing the rear of an engine to be higher is correct if the loco is not on the track, once the loco is on the track it isn't an issue. A good rule of thumb is below. If you wish to upgrade a non PM steamer to PM rims it is advisable to purchase a pair of matching plain front rims as well, high/low as to your choice. If you wish to replace an existing worn PM rim then change only the PM rim as it WILL match the front rims in size. Regards, Neil > Hi Joe, > I ran into 2 problems: > -When you put a Pull-Mor tire on a regular drive wheel, because of the > thickness of that tire, there is not much flange height left, so the engine > jumps the track a lot. > -It makes the diameter of that wheel longer than the diameter of a regular > wheel. Therefore it raises the rear of the engine (assuming Pull-Mor is on > rear). It can be quite noticeable, and also cause the pilot to contact > track. > > I'd be curious how you made it work. > Al > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37491	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping?

My understanding was that the early low PM rims were a problem for the 4-8-4 Northern loco's on the curves. The length of the Northern chassis tends to make the flanged drivers ride up the side of the rail and therefore derail, hence the later Northerns being fitted with the high version. Rather than make two sets of PM rims the high version was adopted for all steamers. It shouldn't be a problem for any x-6-x series chassis to have the normal low height version of PM rim, I personally haven't anyway. Regards, Neil Hi All, Thanks to Neil, Doug, and David for their replies. I was aware of the two sizes of wheels but was trying to simplify my question. But your answers shed more lite on it all and told me things I didn't know. So next question: What are the advantages / disadvantages of wide vs narrow flanges - especially if I am going to buy replacement rims of some type? FYI, I run hi-rail- I could see a problem with some scale operations. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Trump" <neil.trump@b...> wrote: > > To all: > > I did reply direct to Al on this yesterday but will copy to all with a bit > more info. > > For the period up to the Pull-Mor (PM) wheels being introduced, the diameter > of the steam rims works out around 29.50 mm +/- > For the PM rims and non PM rims on same chassis they both come out around > 30.80 mm +/- > > This give us a difference of 1.30mm roughly. Divide this by 2 and the > actual height difference in fitting a PM rim to an early chassis is only > 0.65mm in favour of the front end being lower. Not enough I feel to worry > about. The topic regarding the high and low flanges causing the rear of an > engine to be higher is correct if the loco is not on the track, once the > loco is on the track it isn't an issue. > > A good rule of thumb is below. > > If you wish to upgrade a non PM steamer to PM rims it is advisable to > purchase a pair of matching plain front rims as well, high/low as to your > choice. > > If you wish to replace an existing worn PM rim then change only the PM rim > as it WILL match the front rims in size. > > Regards, > > Neil > > > > > Hi Joe, > > I ran into 2 problems: > > -When you put a Pull-Mor tire on a regular drive wheel, because of the > > thickness of that tire, there is not much flange height left, so the > engine > > jumps the track a lot. > > -It makes the diameter of that wheel longer than the diameter of a regular > > wheel. Therefore it raises the rear of the engine (assuming Pull-Mor is > on > > rear). It can be quite noticeable, and also cause the pilot to contact > > track. > > > > I'd be curious how you made it work. > > Al > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37492	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Magnetized E Unit?

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:07:20 -0500, Robert D Eves III wrote: >Hello Michael; > > The problem is easy to fix. Take the tender shell off. Look at the >E-Unit. You will see 2 pivot points, one on each side. That is the armature >plate which is connected to the paw which moves the drum. From the back end >put a small piece of electrical tape on the armature plate, between the coil >of the E-Unit. This will stop your problem and will not effect the operation >of the E-Unit at all. This is caused by the plate being magnetized by the >coil. Also oil the pivot points & the paw. I have never had the problem >again. > >Enjoy > >Bob Eves Hi Bob- Thanks for the tested suggestion. I guess my "guess" was correct then! ;-) I'll inform the boys they have a project to help daddy with, and then I best clear the "planning" off the table so we can actually use what trackage I have laid. Lots of switches and uncouplers laying about that just won't do if a train is to pass by. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37493	From: muniman18	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: dumb ouestion #2

I HAVE ABT 13 STEAM AND ONE 355 BALDWIN I WANT TO FIND INFO ON THESE PIECES EG CUT AWAY DRAWING SHOWING PARTS,WIRING, SCREWS,AND TROUBLE SHOTING METHODS TO FIX EM. IS THERE ANY PLACE I CAN FIND THIS OUT EITHER IN BOOKLET FORM OR BOOK. I LIKE TO SEE WHAT I,M DOING RATHER THAN TRAIL AND ERROR THX FOR YOUR HELP MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37494	From: David Engle	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Re;Duck Tape, Duct Tape,etc.

These have been very good lessons. There is no need to get quacked up over the subject matter.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37495	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4 - ? Watching the wheels go

S Folks, I noticed that the pictures that follow of the northern show that the wheel rims were white like they are on all the flyer steam engines. I had noticed that most real life steam engine wheels were black without white highlighted rims and had assumed that Gilbert used white wheel rims for aesthetic reasons. Were there steam engines that were made with white rims and was it an option for the ordering railroads or did some of the engines come that way out of the factory? Did some manufacturers make all there engines that way? ie ... what determined the rim coloring and did it have much significance? Watching the wheels go by during the holiday break... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Vana Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Photos of the Prototype if the AF 4-8-4 Since we've had quite a discussion about the AF UP 4-8-4 NORTHERN, here are some photos of the last one left, the UP 814, on display in Council Bluffs, Iowa. You may not recognize it at first. It has a different tender, from a later 800 series class, and smoke deflectors and a Mars light added. These were all done while it was in regular service. It was donated in Council Bluffs in the early 1960's. First it was at Dodge Park, then moved by truck - and it was quitw a task, done by a house mover - to the new location, by 16th Avenue and South Main. http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP814-1.jpg http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP814-2.JPG http://members.cox.net/amflyer/UP814-3.JPG S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37496	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: White tire rims

Dear Scott, Most builders photos show white rims. Some railroads kept them white for the life of the engine. It seems that most railroads did not. From the research for our 2-8-0, the Erie and Southern 722 had white rims on all photos. But, I think those were the only two railroads of the nine roadnames we are producing. Best regards, Don Scott Davidson wrote: >S Folks, > >I noticed that the pictures that follow of the northern show that the >wheel rims were white like they are on all the flyer steam engines. I >had noticed that most real life steam engine wheels were black without >white highlighted rims and had assumed that Gilbert used white wheel >rims for aesthetic reasons. > >Were there steam engines that were made with white rims and was it an >option for the ordering railroads or did some of the engines come that >way out of the factory? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37497	From: Phil K	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: White tire rims

An old locomotive engineer once told me the rims (tires) were often painted white so that it would be easier to spot a developing crack in the tire. As many of you know, steamers wore replaceable tires on their drive wheels. They had a special, circular flame-heating jig in the shop that heated up the tire to expand it, then when red-hot it was slipped over the drive wheel. As it cooled, it shrunk and was tight to the wheel. Somewhere I have a photo of a bewildered and thankful steamer engineer standing next to a tire that had come off the drive wheel at speed and was hung up in mid-air inside the main rod just off the wheel. Fortunately, it did not get tangled in the drive rods and cause huge damage and maybe even a wreck. Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@s...> wrote: > > Dear Scott, > Most builders photos show white rims. Some railroads kept them > white for the life of the engine. It seems that most railroads did not. > From the research for our 2-8-0, the Erie and Southern 722 had white > rims on all photos. But, I think those were the only two railroads of > the nine roadnames we are producing. > Best regards, > Don > > Scott Davidson wrote: > > >S Folks, > > > >I noticed that the pictures that follow of the northern show that the > >wheel rims were white like they are on all the flyer steam engines. I > >had noticed that most real life steam engine wheels were black without > >white highlighted rims and had assumed that Gilbert used white wheel > >rims for aesthetic reasons. > > > >Were there steam engines that were made with white rims and was it an > >option for the ordering railroads or did some of the engines come that > >way out of the factory? > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37498	From: wyhog	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: White tire rims

In several books I have about NYC, CB&Q, and Northern Pacific steam locos almost all BUILDER's PHOTOS show white rimmed drivers and other wheels. But the only in-service photos that I can see white drivers were taken shortly after the engines were placed in service. The white driver rims seem to come full circle from having them for the builders photos, not having them during service, to getting white rims again when they were retired if subsequently placed on display in parks and museums. I read someplace that the "class loco" of a group being constructed was usually given white rims on all wheels at least on the one side being phoographed. Also the loco and tender was often temporarily painted gray on that side to make the details photograph better than if it was shiny black. Wyhog

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37499	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2862

In a message dated 11/26/2005 9:30:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:22:43 -0000 From: "alhbaker" <albaker33@...> Subject: How to stop metal steamer drive wheels from slipping? Al, I gave this a try about three years ago on some old wheels as I was reworking a 300 AC. I used some of that liquid grip solution that comes in a can. You use it, normally, for coating grips on tool handles such as pliers or screwdrivers. It worked for a while, but after heating up, it pulled away from the wheel. Just a suggestion. If anyone has also tried this and come up with a better method to "cool" it down to stick, let's hear it. Otherwise, Doug Peck is my answer. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37500	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Dumb Ques. #2

Somewhere on the internet is a site that will let you see how some repairs are done. Its like watching a video tape. I've seen it ,but cannot remember where. Perhaps someone can advise muniman@..... where it is at. Good hunting! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37501	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: Edison N. J. train show

I went to the Greenberg train show today. Usually there is one "S" dealer ......Frankie. Sometimes George LeBlanc shows up to sell S gauge. Mr. LeBlanc was not there today, however there were 3 S gauge dealers and more S stuff in other areas. It was the biggest S gauge supply that I've seen over there. There are O, HO and N gauge layouts, but sadly no S gauge layout. 3 N gauge clubs were there and all interconnected. Do the S gauge clubs do this? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37502	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Flyer reverse units

A word of advise from a world of experience. Never lubricate a Flyer reverse unit. It will end up gummy and dirty and sticky. Keep it clean and dry. They were never designed for lubrication and it does more harm than good in the long run. We have a bucket full of them that are gummy and sticky. Takes a bit of work to get them back the way they should be. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37503	From: keefer1	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: ebay auction

Am I missing something about this tender? 6015158913 ebay item number __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37504	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re;White tire rims...and other trim paint.

I believe there is a photo of a NYC Niagra painted completely grey at the Alco works for it's "beauty shot." Baldwin seems to have stuck with glossy black on their builders photos but often used grey on detail shots as you can see in the book "The Locomotives That Baldwin Built." Beside white, silver and grey also appear on driver tires, depending on the railroad. Also, the driver tire metal was a different color than the driver center, so the tires often look painted in photos. Something else we see are painted side rods. Some were polished metal which the railroads kept nice by rubbing them down with oil, making some look grey and others a bronze color depending on the metal. Other railroads painted them silver or grey, and even white in rare circumstances. Often a railroad which painted driver tires and side rods would paint the edges of running boards, pilots(cowcatchers)and window frames as well to make locos look sharp. Again white was the most popular color, but silver, grey, and red also appear. You will also often see silver or grey smokeboxes or smokebox fronts, and fireboxes. This is a graphite paint used on areas where there was no boiler jacketing and the regular paint would burn off quickly. Sometimes this trim painting was company policy, but more often this sort of thing was left up to the individual locomotive shops where the engines were maintained. While some railroads tended to be somewhat colorful, the majority just coated everything with black paint and ran it. This was especially true in hard times or toward the end of steam. Stumpy Stone...I love those old steam locos...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37505	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Edison N. J. train show

Dear Bill, There was a time in the 70s & 80's when our local club, the Central Jersey S Scalers used to go to local shows and set up our module layout (NASG conventions too). We would go to as many as 6 in a year. We still do one show in September where we set up our module layout and do invite others to join in. The show is our clubs Fall Get-Together and is held in South Amboy, about 10 minutes from Edison where the Greenburg show is held. I know the real reason our club does not set our layout up at local shows is that we started S Helper Service. And as anyone with an S scale business can tell you, it takes up every bit of your free time. So, instead of going to the show yesterday, Mike and I were getting our warehouse ready for the Christmas Party. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. PS Our warehouse is also about 10 minutes from Edison. WEG138@... wrote: >I went to the Greenberg train show today. Usually there is one "S" dealer >......Frankie. Sometimes George LeBlanc shows up to sell S gauge. Mr. LeBlanc >was not there today, however there were 3 S gauge dealers and more S stuff in >other areas. It was the biggest S gauge supply that I've seen over there. > There are O, HO and N gauge layouts, but sadly no S gauge layout. 3 N >gauge clubs were there and all interconnected. Do the S gauge clubs do this? > Bill >Greaves > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37506	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2863

Those wheels look gold-plated from my screen angle! Message: 19 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:58:59 -0800 (PST) From: keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> Subject: ebay auction Am I missing something about this tender? 6015158913 ebay item number

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37507	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: More on Prototype UP 4-8-4's and white tires

The 833 in Ogden is one of the second series (FEF-2) of UP 4-8-4's. The class that AF made was the FEF-1, numbers 800-819, built in 1937, so the prototypes were almost new when AF started making them. The FEF-2's were built in 1939, numbers 820-834. 833 is the last one left of that class. Then there were FEF-3's built in 1944, UP's last bought new steam locos. 844 is part of that class. Besides 844, 838 also survives, although basically as parts for 844. 844 was renumbered 8444 around 1963 when UP acquired GP30's in the 800 series. 844 was one of the last surviving GP30's on the UP, and is now preserved as well. 8444 was renumbered back to 844 in 1989. By the way, FEF means "Four-Eight-Four" (4-8-4), in case anyone was wondering. It was the choice of each railroad as to whether a steam loco had white painted rims on the drivers. Sometimes just the drivers were painted with white rims. Other times all the wheels on the engine, and sometimes even the tender wheels got white rims, too. Of course, for AF, the white rims are to insulate the drivers to keep them from shorting. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37508	From: trzp1800	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Link Museum

Hi: I got to spend the holidays in Roanoke and finally had the time to go visit the O. Winston Link Museum. I dredged the post below up because Dave hit most of the high points. I'd also add that part of the highlight for me was all the pictures of the people working in and around the railroad. Also, the film has a three unit lashup of Virginian trainmasters, very neato. I also enjoyed seeing the station. It was redone by Raymond Lowey, of GG1 fame, in the early forties. Inside has a good "art moderne" look to it. The entry side has the clean neat appearance of these buildings while the back looks like they didn't really spend much time on it. That was disappointing. If you are passing by Roanoke, plan to stop in. Regard'S', Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Highfield" <davidh@c...> wrote: > > > Hi all. This weekend, I have the privilege of visiting the O. Winston Link Museum in Roanoke, VA. It is located at the sight of the Norfolk and Western RR station and was opened January, 2004. The pictures of steam locomotives and associated people and scenery are great. Link's medium was B&W photos. The color pictures somehow look out of place. There is an excellent 30 minute film about his photography and life including a bit of intrigue about his second wife who apparently stole much of his collection, later found in a storage locker in Gettysburg, PA, after she was nabbed trying to sell some of it on the internet. I was especially fascinated to learn that Link also made a good bit of reel-to-reel tape of steam sounds. The gift shop has a package of five CDs with his recordings. I believe most train buffs could spend 3-4 hours in the museum and for a $5 admission, that's a pretty good value. Don't expect much from the N&W passenger station, though. Except for the front, the rest of the building, including the museum, is rather bland and contemporary. The museum is on Shenandoah Ave, close to Market Place where there are many shops and restaurants, and just 4 blocks from the Virginia Museum of Transportation. > Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37509	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: REPAIRS & MAINTENEANCE

There are limited sources of this information still available or in print. For schematic breakdowns, parts reference, wiring diagrams, etc, you have a choice of a) the K-Line AF Repair Manual ($29), hardcover book; or b) a very similar softcover book from Hobby Surplus Sales ($30). For a "How To Do It" guide, Tom Barker's softcover Repair book is long out-of-print. Tom was originally the author of the "Roundhouse" repair column in S-Gaugian, prior to the late Tom Jarcho taking it over. However, Tom B. bought back the rights to the book from Kalmbach, and now "publishes" it himself as a CD-ROM. One of the advantages of the CD is that he has included some video clips of repair work. The CD-Rom is $20. We carry all three of the above in stock. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST) 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. Subject: dumb ouestion #2 -----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- I HAVE ABT 13 STEAM AND ONE 355 BALDWIN I WANT TO FIND INFO ON THESE PIECES EG CUT AWAY DRAWING SHOWING PARTS,WIRING, SCREWS,AND TROUBLE SHOTING METHODS TO FIX EM. IS THERE ANY PLACE I CAN FIND THIS OUT EITHER IN BOOKLET FORM OR BOOK. I LIKE TO SEE WHAT I,M DOING RATHER THAN TRAIL AND ERROR THX FOR YOUR HELP MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37510	From: fiantoni	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Boiler Thread Repair

I have a stripped out thread in one of my plastic boilers where the engine frame mounts to the boiler. What is a good base material to fill this with prior to drilling and tapping for repair? Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37511	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Sticky reverse units & prototype wheel painting

Hi all, My findings on most sticky reverse units is that the eyedrop hole the brass lever rides in has sharp edges from a worn stamping die, and it has worn a tiny groove in the lever. this is just enough to hang the lever in the up position until you rap on the tender top. I round off the sharp edge, and smooth down the brass lever. That seems to fix it for me. RR's did paint tire rims to easily spot cracks. The SP usually did them with thier lettering grey, probably because that color was handy. White stars were pained on driver axle centers to indicate oil lubed axle bearing, as opposed to grease block lube. Ever notice that couplers are never painted? FRA rules, so you can't hid flaws with layers of paint. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37512	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 27, 2005 Time: 8:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37513	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/27/2005
Subject: Re: Boiler Thread Repair

Frank, I use JB Weld to repair engine screw posts. Check out my album for step by step photos of a boiler repair at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo83 It's an easy repair. Good luck! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "fiantoni" <Frank.I.Antonides@d...> wrote: > > I have a stripped out thread in one of my plastic boilers where the > engine frame mounts to the boiler. What is a good base material to fill > this with prior to drilling and tapping for repair? > > Frank >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37514	From: conehammer	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Repairing AF engines- what's acceptable

I'll preface this question by acknowledging it's probably a personal preference rather than a rule regarding what is acceptable in repairing a AF steam loco. To the point I have two engines a 336 and a 332AC which have broken rear steps on the tender. Other than that they are in pretty good original condition and perform well. While I'm not concerned about immediate value I am from a long term perspective. Is it better to repair them or to leave them alone? My understanding is that Train Repair Parts has a repair/replacement part for the rear tender step. Although it, the tender chassis, being a one piece casting I'm not certain how their part is used. I have to admit the absence of the steps bothers me to a degree. What is the general opinion? I thought also I may just wait until I could 'upgrade' to a better example. I appreciate your collective patience with this query. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37515	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Suggestions for new Steam Engine

I am thinking about getting a new Steam Engine and would welcome suggestions. I have been running my 322 which I got when I was 5 (I'm now 63) and it does okay and I have two other 322s and several 302s. However, I think I need something new which I can count on to run without any problems. I take a portable layout to nursing homes and schools and want to be able to talk with folks without having to do stuff to the trains while I am there. Thanks for the help. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37516	From: billbt888	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Wiring for AF locos

Is there a particular kind of wire that is best for re-wiring the loco, especially the two main power wires from tender to loco? What gauge? Solid or stranded? Thanks for any info. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37517	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: knuckle coupler repair

Hi gang, I have a 303 with a broken knuckle coupler on the tender and I have a replacement. Do I need a special tool to remove the old one from the truck or do I just pry it off with a screwdriver? Thanks alot, Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37518	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Suggestions for new Steam Engine

Mike My suggestion to you would be to get one of the new S Helper Consolidation Steam Engines, with digital sounds that is due to be released soon or one of Lionel AF Mikados, the Railsounds are super, coming downt the track is Lionels remake of the classic Northern Steam engine with Railsounds or American Models new scale Northern S guage has new engines and cars coming down the track now all the time. It is exciting to see these items coming out. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville mvandiver2@... wrote: I am thinking about getting a new Steam Engine and would welcome suggestions. I have been running my 322 which I got when I was 5 (I'm now 63) and it does okay and I have two other 322s and several 302s. However, I think I need something new which I can count on to run without any problems. I take a portable layout to nursing homes and schools and want to be able to talk with folks without having to do stuff to the trains while I am there. Thanks for the help. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37519	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler repair

Spread the mounting tabs open enough to let you get the old coupler out (rock it sideways to minimize the opening bend required). Replace coupler and squeeze mounting tabs back to closed position. You can sometimes repair them if you have the parts but it's easier to replace the whole coupler. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] knuckle coupler repair > Hi gang, > I have a 303 with a broken knuckle coupler on the tender and I have a > replacement. Do I need a special tool to remove the old one from the > truck or do I just pry it off with a screwdriver? > Thanks alot, > Alex Sibbald > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37520	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Wiring for AF locos

Definitely stranded! Radio Shack sells some specially flexible wire that works well. It looks thick but that's just the flexible insulation. If wire is too stiff it can lift tender wheels off the track in turns and sequence the reverse unit. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "billbt888" <wbeattie@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring for AF locos > Is there a particular kind of wire that is best for re-wiring the > loco, especially the two main power wires from tender to loco? What > gauge? Solid or stranded? Thanks for any info. > Bill > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37521	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Suggestions for new Steam Engine

Whatever you get should either not have a smoke unit or one that can be switched off. Using smoke in nursing homes and hospitals is a no-no. I would think that schools would probably frown upon it too. mvandiver2@... wrote: I am thinking about getting a new Steam Engine and would welcome suggestions. I have been running my 322 which I got when I was 5 (I'm now 63) and it does okay and I have two other 322s and several 302s. However, I think I need something new which I can count on to run without any problems. I take a portable layout to nursing homes and schools and want to be able to talk with folks without having to do stuff to the trains while I am there. Thanks for the help. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37522	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Re: Suggestions for new Steam Engine

If this is a concern, the Lionel/AF Mikados and all American Models steam engines have an on/off switch for their smoke units. I believe that the SHS Consolidation will have a switch, as well. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/28/2005 10:36:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, imsscott@... writes: Whatever you get should either not have a smoke unit or one that can be switched off. Using smoke in nursing homes and hospitals is a no-no. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37523	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: S gauge rolling stock pictures

S gauge rolling stock pictures I've now completed the first set of pictures. From 166 upwards. There are 19 more items of rolling stock and then various bits and pieces. I do hove some buildings to photograph and will then take better pictures of the ones that are blurred. Amongst all this lot is an advert for a Baby Ruth bar, so you can now all see what they looked like. http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album?.dir=/98ed&.src=ph&.tok=phjeeAEB8sYsBwJ2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37524	From: David Girson	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: 15b Transformer

I received a 15b transformer that states 110 watts butIt is much less powerfull than my #2 at 75 watts. Is there any remedy or repair that can be performed, or is this all I can get. thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37525	From: Eric & Jean Reis	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: American Models engines for sale

A friend has asked me to sell some of his engines for him. I have 2 sets of Engines for sale. Set one is a pair of American models Pennsylvania Trainmaster diesels in green/black AC hi-rail see http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/tm03.jpg and http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/h-24-66.phtml These are slightly used and could probably use wheel cleaning and lubing. They look excellent. I sat them on my track and they do run. List is $499 at AM, He will let these go AS-IS for $335, shipping included to USA48. ____________________________________________________________________________ _____________ Set two is a pair of AM Pennsylvania E8's, These look like new AC-Hi-rail see: http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/e805.jpg and http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/e-8.html These are very slightly used. The look excellent. List on these is also $499 at AM, He will let these go AS-IS for $350, shipping included to USA48. Eric Reis, Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37526	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: 579 street lamp

hi all:need alittle help pleasae.i got the insert from doug peck for the 579 single lamp post.does the plain fiber washer go first and then the one with the steel connector or the other way around.thanks guys.have a nice day.jim __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37527	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 11/28/2005
Subject: Duct tape names and white trim

NASA refers to duct tape as "gray tape" on space shuttle manifests. I've heard that the white trim (at least on windows and running boards) was only applied to the side of the locomotive that would be photographed for the builder's photo. My $0.04 worth, Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37528	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: knuckle couplers

Hi All, I would like to thank Steve, Gale and Chuck for their advice on removing knuckle couplers. I was able to remove and replace the broken coupler although my attempts with the serrated needle nose pliers did chew up the truck metal slightly. The 303 that I attacked was not a show piece and it had many problems so it was a good learning engine. The reverse unit would hang up most of the time and I found that contact cleaner applied at the pivot point of the pawl removed most of the problem. The resurrected 303 now pulls a long consist and puffs like a champ thanks to Mike's Anormal smoke fluid. It has been a rewarding exercise, bringing a dead engine to life and I learned alot. This is a very helpful and knowledgeable list and I thank you for your help. Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37529	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Re;Suggestions for new steam engine

You might try going to straight DC power as I did. This gives you a cool running can motor and eliminates any problems you might have with the reverse units. While you're at it you can install a switch for the smoke units. Use an MRC #6200 power pack and you'll have more than enough juice to run a train with passenger cars or action cars. Give it a try on one of your lesser locos to see if you like it. Dc is the way to go for operation in my opinion. The conversion is fairly simple and inexpensive. Stumpy Stone...now all DC in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37530	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Duct, Duck et al.

NASA gray tape may be rotor tape, which comes in several ratings-tip tape being the strongest. Rotor is as in rotary wing, i.e., helicopter. Tip velocity is the highest. - john marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37531	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Comments on Union Pacific

You gotta just love the editor of Model Railroad News, who responded to a comment made re: Dilapidated Freight Service, under Comments on Union Pacific, in the Dec. 2005 issue, page7. Now, this is a person who has our legal system figured to a T. His/her response to Union Pacific's greedy/grubbing legal action against toy importers/manufacturers is: "Well, Jim, it's all legal mumbo-jumbo. The way the system is set up, anybody can sue anyone else for anything. It doesn't have to make sense or even be legal. If you don't fight it, the complainant wins by default. So you hire a lawyer who files papers and has coffee with the other side's lawyers. He sends you a bill for his services. The complainant's lawyers bill him for their services. At last, when all possible delays have been exhausted and all billable hours have been milked, a judge finally issues a decision. Whoever loses then files an appeal and the process starts all over again." "Seven years later and a half million in legal fees, you find that Solomon split the baby in half again. Technically, you won but you don't get anything. You had to sell your house to pay his lawyer, unless he's the size of Union Pacific, in which case, he doesn't care how it came out. All of the lawyers get new houses and the judge gets a new boat." What editorial courage! I think I'll subscibe to this publication. They also do a good job at including S issues and products. Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37532	From: alhbaker	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Re: Duct, Duck et al.

We used duct tape in 1961 when I was in the US Air Force to seal the electronic compartments from water on fighter aircraft that went Mach 1.2. Had no trouble with it staying on. It was either silver or gray, but I don't remember exactly what we called it. Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@y...> wrote: > > NASA gray tape may be rotor tape, which comes in several ratings-tip tape being the strongest. Rotor is as in rotary wing, i.e., helicopter. Tip velocity is the highest. - john marganski > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Personals > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37533	From: Mac	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: Log Loader

I have a new Flyonel Log Loader. I can't seem to find the correct place for the wire hanger that lifts the logs. The Lio... web site doesn't have drawing or good photo. Any help will be appreciated. Shut down the farm and opened the trains Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37534	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/29/2005
Subject: William Trefts in St. Louis Area

Does anyone know what happened to William Trefts, who lived in Webster Groves in the St. Louis area? He was owner of Treft's Piano in Maplewood, but that telephone number is no longer in service. I hope that we did not lose another S gauger!! Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37535	From: beebear	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: K-Line rolling stock

Has anyone heard anything about when the K-Line engines are coming out. Their website says Fall 2005. I sent a note to them from their website but haven't heard anything back from them. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37536	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: Link Farm

I am hoping to use the Link Page from http://S-Scale.org to create a more complete set of web links for the S-Scale/S-Gauge world. If you have not added your link, or have changed since you added it, please visit the site and add your link. I will try and approve the additions on a regular basis. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37537	From: Robert King	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@b...> wrote: Has anyone heard anything about when the K-Line engines are coming out. Their website says Fall 2005. I sent a note to them from their website but haven't heard anything back from them. John _______ I heard rumours that K-Line will be out of business after Christmas. The date of the locos release was pushed back to sometime in 2006. Anyway, the demand may not be as big as originally expected, due to what the locos actually are. The Pacific is non- prototypical and may be too big. The Porter and Plymouth also have problems, as I indicated when all of the hype was sent out. I have seen both, and they are both full 1:48 scale O gauge. Classic Toy Trains also did an article explaining that the Porter by K-Line was not the same as the Porter by Bachmann. K-Line's Porter is full 1:48, while Bachmann's Porter is for 0n3 and much smaller. Other S gauge companies, including Lionel, offer relatively inexpensive locos that are much better. Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37538	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/30/2005
Subject: Tis the Season....

Ok so it isnt Flyer or maybe even S gauge ...but you can all let us know how well you did playin with this for the next few weeks when you have nothing better to do....click on & paste the link below ...and let the xmas fun begin .... http://www.banditos.info/speles/sobersanta2.swf

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37539	From: velapoldi	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Brass car projects.

Hi Rusty: Yes, I got one of Bill Lane's X-29 boxcars - a really beautiful B&O job and probably (undoubtedly) the best detailed and most accurate car I have in my inventory (I must admit that I am a high-railer but had to have one when it was mentioned and discussed a few years ago). It was worth the wait! Rance Velapoldi (Norway) thebentnail wrote: > Whatever happened to those C&O and NKP brass hoppers ? Anybody out >there ever get any? > >Did anybody ever get any of the brass X-29's boxcars? > >Its been years, hasen't it -?- > >I'm building myself a bonfire in my cave. > >Rusty > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37540	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Troller TAC 2001

Hello to the Group Does anyone have a schematic for a Troller TAC 2001 solid state AC Power Pack ? One side of mine has died. Also looking for a junker for parts? Thanks AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37541	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Tis the season ....or who fried Santa on the Rails ...

Use your arrow keys on the keyboard to assist Santa to getting to his Xmas cheer...and gifts ..do not let him near the Rails ...seems like this train is HIGH VOLTAGE....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37542	From: Phil K	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock

Yes, K-Line going out of business is nothing more than a rumor at this time. The rumor began when K-Line declared bankrupcy after it was sued by Lionel for patent and trade secret infringement. It had hired a former Lionel employee who was accused of giving proprietary Lionel technology secrets to K-Line. Reports said Lionel had some pretty compelling evidence to substantiate that claim. K-Line made no comment on that charge. K-Line then filed Chapter 11, which simply put is a legal restructuring that holds off creditors until it can get its finances in order -- just like United and other airlines have done. K-Line is still in business. Lionel did the same thing after it received in court an unfavorable ruling (about $40 million) in the lawsuit filed by Mike's Train House, so it could do business as usual while it goes through the appeal process. The Lionel v. K-Line lawsuit never made it to court. Instead, K-Line chose to settle its lawsuit with Lionel a few weeks ago, agreeing to pay Lionel some $2 million plus the rights to some K-Line patents. As part of the settlement, K-Line was also to cease sales and production of any of its products that violate Lionel patents and technology. It is a good guess that the Pacifics' sound unit technology was part of the lawsuit, so it is another good guess they'll never be produced -- at least in the announced form. But strictly good guesses. K-Lines' offerings in S gauge are diametrically opposed to anything scalers find attractive. But high-railers and newbies might find such a locomotive something they'd like to buy, especially for the announced $149.99 price tag. As an aside, K-Line later followed up the announcement of the Pacifics with another announcement that it had priced them too low based on its production cost per unit and would have to restructure the retail price upwards. You may be right about a lack of demand for the S Pacifics. On the other hand, maybe pre-orders went so well, they realized they'd priced them too cheaply and could get more. Until K-Line announces what pre-orders it had (and I doubt we'll ever know), everything is pure speculation. All we can do is surmise, guess and wait. Personally speaking, with all these shenanigans, I've lost most of the interest I once had in K-Line's S-locomotive offerings. Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert King" <robbyking@j...> wrote: > I heard rumours that K-Line will be out of > business after Christmas. The date of the > locos release was pushed back to sometime > in 2006. Anyway, the demand may not be as > big as originally expected, due to what the > locos actually are. The Pacific is non- > prototypical and may be too big. The Porter > and Plymouth also have problems, as I indicated > when all of the hype was sent out. I have > seen both, and they are both full 1:48 scale > O gauge. Classic Toy Trains also did an > article explaining that the Porter by K-Line > was not the same as the Porter by Bachmann. > K-Line's Porter is full 1:48, while Bachmann's > Porter is for 0n3 and much smaller. Other S > gauge companies, including Lionel, offer > relatively inexpensive locos that are much > better. > > Robby >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37543	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Arrival of K-Line S Gauge Locos

In response to my question as to when the Porters and Plymouth switchers will arrive, Nick Ladd, K-Line Director of Sales replied: >While goods are flowing now, I have not received any manifests >regarding these yet. My best guess is Jan/Feb. > >Nick And no, K-Line is not going out of business anytime soon. Joe Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37544	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: Pennsy S Models S Scale X29 project Update

Hi All, As you have seen from my email links all of the production cars are here. Most of them are painted. We received the first printing of the Railway Express and Circle Keystone decals in late July. Parts of this set were fuzzy and were promptly rejected. We received the rerun set in October which had yet another set of quality control issues. We are using pieces from both sets to speed the completion as much as possible. We did not want to further delay the process by waiting for a third printing of the decals. This is by no means a compromise in our quality control. All of the decals used are crisp and correct in size. The Railway Express cars are being decaled now. All of the B&O cars are completed and many have been shipped. The artwork for the Shadow Keystone and Merchandise Service sheet is being worked on now. This sheet also has the G26 decals on it as well. We hope to have this sheet printed by February. As you can see while we have been quiet since the convention we are still moving forward. NO one wants to get his project completed more then Dan and I. Look for a website update in December. I will post when that is completed. Dan and I would like to thank all of our customers for their patience, and wish you all Happy Holidays. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37545	From: John Gibson	Date: 12/1/2005
Subject: For Trade: One S-Helper F7 B Unit – PRR for Undecorated

Greetings: As you may have heard, S-Helper has sold out of the undecorated F7s so they are substituting Pennsy units. Consequently, I have a brand new Pennsy B unit that I either must strip paint or trade for an undecorated unit. I would rather trade, so I am checking the lists to see if anyone has an undecorated unit they would like to dispose of. Straight trade, I will pay shipping & insurance for both units, so no cost to you. If I get no takers, then PRR #9456B will become SP (Black widow) # 80xx. Cheers, John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37546	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Motor slow down

I have a problem with a 290 loco I haven't run into before. Maybe one of you can give me an idea where to look. When you first start it running with several cars behind it, it runs fine. After maybe five minutes or so it slows down and finally stops. Wheels, track, etc are all clean and it is lubed fine. Obviously something is overheating and causing the problem. I'm thinking maybe the armature is going bad. Any ideas where I should look? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37547	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: Motor slow down

Roger, First place to look is weak brush springs and gunky brushes or wornout brushes. Also clean the slots in the armature commutator. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roger Petrella Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:43 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Motor slow down I have a problem with a 290 loco I haven't run into before. Maybe one of you can give me an idea where to look. When you first start it running with several cars behind it, it runs fine. After maybe five minutes or so it slows down and finally stops. Wheels, track, etc are all clean and it is lubed fine. Obviously something is overheating and causing the problem. I'm thinking maybe the armature is going bad. Any ideas where I should look? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37548	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models

I'm completing an SP Daylight passenger set. I've got the 5 Flyonel cars. I need some expert opinions comparing the SP diesel Alco A unit made by Flyonel vs. American Models: 1) which version has the better pulling power with a B railsounds unit plus 5 cars?; and 2) which looks closer to the real thing, especially the nose contour and length? Thanks! Russ __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37549	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Tampa, FL Train Shows

For your planningpurposes, just in case you will be in the Tampa area in December or January........ There will be plenty of American Flyer at these upcoming train shows; December 17 and 18 at the Tampa Fairgrounds January 28 and 29 at the Tampa Fairgrounds Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37550	From: Robert King	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@a...> wrote: It is a good guess that the Pacifics' sound unit technology was part of the lawsuit, so it is another good guess they'll never be produced -- at least in the announced form. But strictly good guesses. __________ ROBBY KING: I just checked the K-Line website to see if K-Line going to make the Pacifics; K-Line has substituted the Porter for the Pacific in the sets, and the Pacifics are no where to be found.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37551	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Fw: Christmas Stuff

The following email is from my wife at her work place. This is what she does for her cubicle every year. What other woman sets up a cardboard train set at Christmas. O:)! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Marmer, Linda To: mlmarmer@... Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Christmas Stuff Mike, Christmas decorations are all up, including the cardboard train set! Linda Linda Marmer, MS, RD, LDN Senior Culinary Systems Specialist Sodexho Healthcare Brand Management 9801 Washingtonian Blvd., Suite 439B Gaithersburg, MD 02878 (301) 987-4654 Phone (301) 987-4951 Fax linda.marmer@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37552	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: kNUCKLE cOUPLER cONVERSION

Attached is a picture that shows the difference. The 625, obviously, is on the right. The Katy boxcar on the left has the kind of coupler I'm used to seeing. It's the pin, not the tab, that is different. It really doesn't want to let go!!! Have you ever dealt with any of these before? Thanks for your help. Bob Doug Peck <Doug@...> wrote: 11/22/2005 There shouldn't be anything different about the couplers on the 625, It MIGHT be that the tab through which the pin passes is thicker, heavier metal, which is why it didn't release as easily. We have the conversion KCs, as well as replacement LCs and pins, if you need them. To replace a LC, however, you need a special tool to flare the flange on the pin. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. I recently bought a black 625 tank car made in 1946. Without examining it (hey - I've converted lots of cars!), I started hammering it into the old reliable brass tube that I got in 1953. After a lot of work to no avail, I discovered that this car is different! How do you convert these cars? In the process, I broke the old link coupler, so there's no going back. I'd appreciate your help. Bob Learnin' lots from the Upstairs Train --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37553	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday December 4, 2005 8:00 pm - 9:30 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 1 day, 23 hours, 4 minutes. Notes: This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2005  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37554	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37555	From: trainman634	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: SHS Track Wire Connectors

I am having a problem with the wire connectors on SHS sectional track. The metal clips keep coming off of the track. Does anyone have a better way to connect wires to this track?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37556	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: SIMMONS

WONDER IF IT WAS REAL?......Course i was outbid...... Bob http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=6018193525&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37557	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models

I always go with American Models. Their units are solid, reliable pullers! No questions asked - first time, every time - right out of the box! Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37558	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: S Scale Layouts In Naples Area - Open Weekend of 9-10 December?

I will be traveling in the Naples, FL area on Friday, 9 December and Saturday, 10 December. Are there any S scale layouts open for a drop-by visit during that time? Regards. Paul Schilling (S scaler- Bethesda, MD area) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37559	From: Phil K	Date: 12/2/2005
Subject: Re: SIMMONS

> WONDER IF IT WAS REAL?......Course i was outbid...... Bob All I know is if I had one of these super-rare Simmons cars for sale and it was real, it would be a 10-day listing instead of four days. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=6018193525&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37560	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons

According to my both my Greenberg and Bubeck guides the Simmons car was made in orange plastic. The painted version is a repro available from A.C. Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Rarity Repaints for $119.00. Listed below is the link to their site. Jim Duncan http://mywebpages.comcast.net/seg50/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37561	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons

Also, Greg Kreft made a limited amount of these (150) that were painted. I think this was about 15 years ago. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37562	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models

I have the Flyonel Northern Pacific A-B-A w/sound and 7 passenger cars and the "engine" does the job nicely! No problems and it stayed on my layout for over a yeaand a half. I finally got tired of looking at it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37563	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: SP Alcos

Paul, The Flyonel Daylight Alcos use a recreation of the old ACG motors. These also use their own unique electronic reverse unit. A daylight shell on a current Flyonel chassis would probably pull as well as the AM one, but I've not seen any comparisions side by side. I understand the AM model is closer to scale than the ACG unit--but the Flyonel one sure does remind me of the Shasta Daylight! Well, except for those silver car ends, can't figure out why Flyonel did that, instead of doing them in red, as per prototype. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37564	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: SP Alcos

The AM version runs more smoothly and is closer to prototype, but you probably should check the color match before making a commitment. The Lionel AF will match your cars. Neither the AF or the AM has a pilot snow plow, if memory serves. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37565	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)

There are obviously a lot of Flyer fans, especially collectors, but from the standpoint of overall operation and value, I would always go with American Models and SHS over Flyonel. * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * This would especially be true with a multiple lashup like an A-B-A set of PAs. I always found the dummies to be a problem. The dummies add weight that the powered unit has to pull, and the dummies derail so easily. * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * I do not have the AM PAs (waiting patiently for Southern or GM&O), but I remember how pleased I was when I made my first purchase of a non-American Flyer loco. It was an AM A-B-A set of FAs with DC power. I was simply amazed by how smooth the engines ran and how neat it was that all three locos pulled together so perfectly. And since they were DC and therefore did not have reverse units, there was never a problem with directional control. I have heard that the AM PAs have a lot of power. This was not true of my FAs. But with three of them pulling together they had more power than a Gilbert or Flyonel set of PAs. By the way, the only DC power I had at that time was an N Gauge power pack. It easily powered all three of those FAs even though this same power pack could not turn over the motors of any of my AF/Flyonel locos. * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * I may be a dummy but there will be no Flyonel powered or dummy diesels for me. * -------------------------------------------------------------------- * - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37566	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons

That is a reproduction and it looks like pajack got snookered. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@a... wrote: > > Also, Greg Kreft made a limited amount of these (150) that were painted. I > think this was about 15 years ago. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37567	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Christmas Show

I just wanted to pass along a mention that we had a Christmas Show at the Science Museum of Virginia last weekend and it was great! Ours was but a small part of it. We had a 34' X 18' layout and Ken McNelly brought his "Engine That Looks Like Thomas" up with the layout and put it up in the same general area with us. It was a big, Big, BIG hit with all of the children and most of the parents were quite surprised that there is more to life than PS2, XBox, and computers. Our club, the Virginia Central Division of the ACSG, Inc. were invited to display. Ken is a member of the Tidewater division. I had a track cleaning car I purchased from SnS Trains that worked better than advertised, as it cleaned the rails all three days for us. A lot of mileage was put on these locos and diesels we run. Merry Christmas everybody.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37568	From: Frank Bernard	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: Possible new S Scale Tom Yorke Kit

To All, I have posted a picture of a sketch for a possible new S Scale kit by Tom Yorke. Here is the link to the folder: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Tom_Yorke/ The file is NewTYS_Scale_web.jpg. Here is the first sketch for the S scale block. The turreted building is brick with a rear fire escape. The wooden building has a stone basement and is leaning and warped. The tiny building in between is frame with a rear covered work area. That is the first pass. I will do another building sketch - instead of the end wooden building, there will be a stone structure. Then you are encouraged to vote on your choice. It will be a few days yet before I get it posted. Thanks, Tom Yorke http://www.bellegladehighschool.com/yorke.html Posted by Frank Bernard NewTYS_Scale_web.jpg <http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oE2SQ7UDnbydWtVApmxPi_ER3JKezm9tuGWJT9wysQK54F H_lYe2f9CMhIy-n9Tfq-pwYCeqDC_aYbmTKVtDckPg/Tom_Yorke/NewTYS_Scale_web.jpg> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37569	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/3/2005
Subject: S-Scale Critter

Howdy Folks, I just returned from the mall where I acquired some new livestock (well, not actually 'live') for my trains. A store named Toyopia carries the Safari Ltd line of molded plastic animals. The triceratops in the collection appears to be a pretty accurate 1:64 scale animal. If it was good enough for John Allen, I figure, why not for me? Naturally, we cannot be sure about the colors. I may choose to paint mine to better match a rhinoceros which fits a similar, ecological niche. I think the one on the Gorre and Daphetid was black with a loco number. According to the label and some other references, these things lived in the Late Cretaceous. That makes them older than diesels, so, it might be questionable to use them even in a transition era setting. Enjoy, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37570	From: T Larson	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Tractors

Since farm tractors have many possible uses in model railroading, I inform you of some cost-saving discoveries. Tractors are typically expensive and often come in sets, which makes it difficult to buy several identical tractors for a flat car load. This is less of a problem at Christmas. - At "X-mart" I have seen "dumbed-down" tractors at $3-4 instead of the typical $5-6. The tractor model number is omitted from the tractor's paint job. - I have seen these simpler tractors IN BULK instead of in blister packs, for only $2 per tractor!!!! Check your farm supply store such as Fleet Farm or Tractor Supply or whatever chain is in your area. Tractor dealers will likely only have the most detailed most expensive models. -- Ted Larson Still using W98SE? See http://groups.msn.com/hardwarejunkies

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37571	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re;S scale critter

Bill...I'm sure hard core Gilbert collectors will balk at your use of a Triceritops with original American Flyer trains! However, it is definately pre-diesel transition era, so as long as you operate only steam locomotives, you'll probably get by! Just have fun! John Allen's critter was a Stegasaurus named Emma and was actually carried on the Gorre & Daphetid roster as locomotive number 13. This is what it says in the book "Model Railroading with John Allen" by Linn Westcott; "Found in woods near the tracks. An amiable creature, the company put it to work switching cars, rescuing derailments, and pulling stumps. Consumed lichen for fuel. Unlike other motive power, had to be steered along the track but had the advantage of running around cars without needing a passing track. Worked equally well on narrow gauge. Did not learn to use the ash pit." As a youngster reading my dad's Model Railroader magazines, I was heavily influenced by John Allen...his modeling and his humor. I have a bunch of plastic dinosaurs that make an appearance on my layouts from time to time at train shows! Stumpy Stone...playing with trains for fifty years and haven't grown up yet...Martins Ferry, Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37572	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Christmas Display and well wishes

Hi Everyone: First off, hope all of you get to play with trains this Christmas. Second off, those of you who are "Model Railroaders", I hope you get to prototypically create the season of hope and joy in your little empires. For those that want to visit a layout, The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers has a winter themed layout set up at the Kings Mountain Museum in downtown Kings Mountain, NC on East Mountain Street. Just off I-85, just west of Charlotte. The layout is 14' x 22' using our 4 x 2 foot modules with the button boards so visitors can operate the many accessories we have on display. There are also displays by several of our members, and others, of model railroading motive power and rolling stock as well as the museum's collection of textile and town memorabilia. So, enjoy the season. Tell your kids you love them. Tell your folks you love `em. Try to spend a little time with family and friends and think about what you will do tomorrow to make the world around you a little better place. Ho, Ho, Ho, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37573	From: klaatu1944	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: AF Std Guage Engine Tune UP

Can anyone suggest how to 'tune up' an AF standard guage 4644 engine? Cleaning and lubrication didn't seem to help, although there is still a lot of sparking at the brushes. If you push start it, it can pull itself around the track, but that is about all. Thanks for any advice

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37574	From: Phil K	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: OT: Spy Axe is newest computer hijacker (malware)

For the good of all -- Last night my laptop was stricken with someone's sick idea of doing business on the Internet -- a malicious rogue program (malware) called "SpyAxe." I don't even know how it got on my PC. I use constantly-updated McAfee virus-checking and firewall software and the only notice I got was that a trojan was discovered and could not be cleaned. At this time, none of the available anti-virus programs can handle it. The symptoms are a huge pain in the fanny. You'll get an obnoxious but official-looking balloon popping up constantly off the bar at the bottom right of your browser window declaring your computer has been infected and to click on the icon to remove the files. Do not click on the icon connected to the balloon! It will take you to the company's website where allegedly they will sell you software to remove the infected files, but people say it does NOT work. Plus, do you want a company like this to have your credit card information? It also caused a flurry of pop-up ads, some for pornographic sites. SpyAxe also hijacks your browser's home page, directing you to an "offical" Microsoft-looking "security" page every time. This one is a real PITA to remove right now. It would not let me access either McAfee or Microsoft web pages. I finally did a Google search on "SpyAxe and removal" and found the following site, which deals with removing this particular malware: http://tinyurl.com/9yuzb I'm just putting this info here in case anyone needs it -- or will need it. I consider myself fairly computer-literate and followed the instructions carefully -- it ended up taking nearly three hours to figure out how to get rid of all of the infected files it put on my laptop's hard drive. The forum Q&A at the bottom of the pages was also very helpful. If you aren't computer-savvy, get someone who is to help you with this malware removal. It requires opening Windows system folders and registry folders to manually delete some infected files, which isn't the place to be deleting if you aren't 100% sure of what you're doing. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37575	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: 24321 Deep Rock Tank Car

I've seen several of these offered on ebay, and none had the customary railings and ladders. Was this car made without them? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37576	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re: Simmons

Thanks to all for the comments on that Simmons reefer! I had seen it and thought it odd that the listing said it was "the painted version." Having found that not all the legitimate variations are in the books, however, I figured it must be just something else that was omitted. I saw it and bid when it was $29.00, but thankfully haven't yet reached the point where I'm willing to pay $300 for a single car. kenwoodies1 <kenwoodies@...> wrote: According to my both my Greenberg and Bubeck guides the Simmons car was made in orange plastic. The painted version is a repro available from A.C. Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Rarity Repaints for $119.00. Listed below is the link to their site. Jim Duncan http://mywebpages.comcast.net/seg50/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37577	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37578	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/4/2005, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37579	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Terrible Death

Cheers, Yabo My Xmas layout has had a terrible death. The Christmas combine of 22 Christmas cars hit a deer on Xmas Corner. The deer flipped over a couple of times and landed on the corner of Santa and Lane. I need a Fire Engine, Animal Control, and some passer byes. Anyone know where I can get appropriate S equipment. PS: It would also be nice if Santa did not see all the Carnage. R. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37580	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Christmas Layout

The Pequea Valley Model RailRoaders (PVMR) NEW portable layout has just returned from four days on operating display at DUTCHWAY FARM MARKET in beautiful southern Gap, PA. Almost every person, young or old, "English" or Amish walking thru the doors smiled when they saw our American Flyer Train layout. Many lingered for quite a while, one family came back every day, some for multiple days. One lady, after finally dragging her 4 yr old son out the door on Thursday, bought an HO set, put it on plywood and set the Christmas tree up over it, all by Friday evening. She brought the whole family back again on Saturday. They stayed for an hour. Other watchful parents corrected the few children (NO barriers) who reached for a train, that in itself was refreshing. Almost everyone pushed the buttons we installed. Women and children more readily then men. The 8' X 12' layout was built (to be moved) by mostly TCA members and their wives or girlfriends. Set-up requires about 2 hrs, Sat night tear-down and loading, an hour and 15 minutes. We had a four-year old Amish lad, who spoke no English as yet, operating the passenger train for a while on Wednesday evening. When his Dad explained to him that he had to stop at the station, he slowed the train down to a gentle stop and then walked over to look between the train and station platform to see if people got off and on the train. Just amazing. Many of our "visitors" told us they dropped notes into the "Suggestion Box" to bring us back. Management didn't advertize our being there because they had NO idea of the response toy trains generate. Ah, conservative Lancaster County, PA. They DO now. Layout next appears at ROOT'S Country Market, off of PA Rt 72, on Sat Dec 10 from 9AM til 5 PM. Jim "taking the trains to ROOT'S " Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37581	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)

But Earl old chum, if you don't have any Flyonel diesels, how do you know they are not any good? I have a Flyonel UP, NP, Silver Flash and they al run like tops. Having said that, those are all I have and probably all that I ever will have in the way of diesels from Lionel. I like the AM and SHS detailing better. Roy Inman PS: I don't think you're a dummy. But I would encourage you to run a Flyonel for yourself, put in under your pillow for a week or so to make a firm bond, then get back to us. > From: tennsgauge@... > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:19:49 -0500 (EST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES) > > I may be a dummy but there will be no Flyonel powered or dummy diesels for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37582	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)

In a message dated 12/4/2005 7:29:31 PM Central Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: But Earl old chum, if you don't have any Flyonel diesels, how do you know they are not any good? * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. Well Roy old chum, I did not say they were not any good. I am saying they are not competitive with AM and SHS. I feel sorry for operators who purchase the Flyonel because its probably due to lack of knowledge about the alternatives available today. I can think of three reasons to purchase Flyonel diesels. First is for collectors. But I am an operator so that does not fit my needs. Second, is choice of roadnames. If you really want an Erie PA, you had better get the Flyonel one. Third is color compatibility. Russ wants a Daylight set of PAs to match his Flyonel passenger cars. The AM PAs may not match the paint of those passenger cars as perfectly as the Flyonel ones do, since Flyonel offered the PAs and the passenger cars together. As an operator, I have already written about the advantages of AM or SHS diesels compared to Flyonel. This is the most important reason I consider the Flyonel PAs to be inferior to the AM and SHS diesels. Here is another reason I forgot to mention: The Flyonel PAs are powered by oversize trucks. (I think they are O gauge but I will let someone else clarify that.) Once I had a Flyer PA on the same track with AM and SHS diesels, I finally realized (dummies are slow learners) why the Flyer PAs did not look quite right with the passenger cars. They are simply too tall! Aside from height, the AM trucks look much better (more to scale) than the Flyonel trucks. * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. I have a Flyonel UP, NP, Silver Flash and they al run like tops. Having said that, those are all I have and probably all that I ever will have in the way of diesels from Lionel. I like the AM and SHS detailing better. Roy Inman PS: I don't think you're a dummy. But I would encourage you to run a Flyonel for yourself, put in under your pillow for a week or so to make a firm bond, then get back to us. * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. Well, Roy old chum, no loco goes under my pillow but what I dream about is the SHS Southern Railway #722 Consolidation. But I will admit that Flyonel has come out with one beautiful locomotive in their Southern Railway #4501 Mikado. I expect both of them to pull lots of Southern Railway Steam Excursions like the ones I rode in the 1970's. And my AM Southern Railway Pacific will pull my mainline heavyweight full length cars. - Earl Henry, Music City USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37583	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Southern locomotive 6133

----- Original Message ----- From: <tennsgauge@...> . . . . . . I will admit that Flyonel has come out with one beautiful locomotive in their Southern Railway #4501 Mikado. I expect both of them to pull lots of Southern Railway Steam Excursions like the ones I rode in the 1970's. > > > > > > > > > > --------Response------------- Speaking of pulling Southern passenger trains, some of you probably already know the American Models Southern FP-7 http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/dxf715.jpg has the number that is on the real Southern FP-7 that is still operational at the Spencer NC train museum http://www.nctrans.org/ Tom Hawley (yes, I'm an AM dealer.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37584	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)

Roy, i agree that many of the flyonel locos run fine, but since i have am track and switches and flyonel wont go thru the frogs, i have gone to only am locos also. all wheel pickup is wonderful. my flyonel wp, mp, silver flash, etc look great on the shelves anyway........ Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... > [Original Message] > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > To: <tennsgauge@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 12/4/2005 10:30:50 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES) > > But Earl old chum, if you don't have any Flyonel diesels, how do you know > they are not any good? > I have a Flyonel UP, NP, Silver Flash and they al run like tops. > Having said that, those are all I have and probably all that I ever will > have in the way of diesels from Lionel. I like the AM and SHS detailing > better. > Roy Inman > PS: I don't think you're a dummy. But I would encourage you to run a Flyonel > for yourself, put in under your pillow for a week or so to make a firm bond, > then get back to us. > > > From: tennsgauge@... > > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:19:49 -0500 (EST) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES) > > > > I may be a dummy but there will be no Flyonel powered or dummy diesels for me. > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37585	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Southern locomotive 6133

In a message dated 12/5/2005 9:54:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, t.hawley@... writes: Speaking of pulling Southern passenger trains, ...And, don't forget the new Lionel Flyer Southern Mikado -- a model of No. 4501 which is still maintained and in use. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37587	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: WANTED: American Hi-rail Dreyfuss Hudson or Aerotrain kit

The last time I spoke with Tom Hodgson, the Aerotrains set were completely sold out (they were sold complete and not as a kit). So are the 20th Century Limited Hudsons, which were produced earlier and are long gone. However, there is some good news. There is an American High Rail Dreyfuss being offered on eBay right now at: http://tinyurl.com/avhcf You can see photos of some of American High Rail's past offerings (including the Aerotrain and 20th Century Limited) at: http://s-scale.org/albums/albup15 Phil K ****************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis H" <HULTAY@m...> wrote: > > Greetings, > I'm new to "S-Trains" group. I am interested in obtaining a Dreyfuss > Hudson plastic loco shell & tender kit, as well as a Aerotrain. > Thanks, > Dennis Hultay Bloomfield NJ (973) 743-4855 > hultay@m... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37588	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Southern locomotive 6133

In a message dated 12/5/2005 8:54:04 AM Central Standard Time, t.hawley@... writes: Speaking of pulling Southern passenger trains, some of you probably already know the American Models Southern FP-7 http://www.americanmodels.com/_photos/dxf715.jpg has the number that is on the real Southern FP-7 that is still operational at the Spencer NC train museum http://www.nctrans.org/ Good point. And 6133 and the other number (though I forget what it is) represent two of the four FP7s that Southern used with their steam locomotives on passenger excursions throughout the Southeast back in the 1970s, 1980s, and early 1990s. And these same numbered locos were also leased to Amtrak on a short term basis and were used in the Pacific Northwest. I will soon be running S gauge model steam excursions using 4501, 722, and the two FP7s pulling AM/SHS Southern Railway heavyweights. And I am also pleased to have the AM Pacific Steam loco lettered for SOUTHERN instead of Crescent Limited, plus the SHS F3s for freight. Now if I could just get AM to do their FP7s in the Southern Crescent scheme of the 1970s in 4 numbers and with the torpedo tubes on the top. But even without those E8s, Southern Railfans who model in S Gauge are pretty lucky. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37589	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: More on Spy Axe

Addendum to previous post: Spy Axe is NOT a virus -- therefore, there isn't any Windows-based anti-virus software or firewall that will stop it, at least right now. I use McAfee and update it at least once a day, as well as AdAware, the Microsoft Beta 1 anti-spyware, Spybot, and the AOL spyware detector. My McAfee firewall did detect an intrusion from Spy Axe, but only by detecting one of the several trojans that is buried in Spy Axe files as it passed through all THREE of my firewalls. Those trojans can't be automatically cleaned or deleted with anti-virus or spyware software -- at least right now. I thought with all those programs I was "overprotected," but found out differently. I first knew something was wrong with my laptop when that annoying Spy Axe fake "infected file" balloon kept popping up every 10 seconds. It blocks about the bottom fourth of your screen. From reading reports on the web, Spy Axe is getting out of hand around the world. Spy Axe is a malicious "rogue" program -- not a virus -- and is specially designed to slip past all these guardians, as well as prevent you from accessing the Microsoft, McAfee and MSN websites. It changes your browser's home page to a "fake" Microsoft Security Center home page loaded with offers selling spyware removers. Supposedly, the Spy Axe homepage offered a program download that would uninstall Spy Axe, but those who downloaded it said it doesn't work. That link is now missing from the Spy Axe homepage, and I would trust ANY downloads from the site. Thanks to all who emailed me offline with advice (i.e., to change my virus software or use spyware-detecting programs), but unfortunately, Spy Axe right now is designed to get past McAfee, Norton, Symantec and all the other virus and spyware detectors. That's what makes it so damned malicious. Over a dozen members or readers of S-Trains emailed me that they, too, had their computers infected with this rogue program. That's why I decided to update my previous missive. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37590	From: Phil K	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Ooops

That line should read "I would NOT trust any downloads" from the Spy Axe home page. I've also just received several requests from S-Trains members who are on office networks for the full URL. Here's a direct link to the removal information site if the Tiny URL in my first post does not work for you -- just select and past the whole two lines (no space between the lines) into your address bar (it's long, that's why I used Tiny URL): http://malwareremoval.com/plog/index.php? op==ViewArticle&articleId=H&blogId==3

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37591	From: muniman18	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: sit 302

AFTERNOON WHERE CAN I FIND A DRAWING OF A 302 WHICH I BELIEVE HAS A SIT WAS LOOKING AT IT HAD A TUBE THAT JUST WENT TO SMOKE STACK WHEN I LOOKED AT THE TENDER THERE WAS NOTHING IN SIDE HAS GOT ME CONFUSED ANY HELP WILL BE GREATFUL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37592	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIE

In a message dated 12/5/2005 12:06:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: In a message dated 12/4/2005 7:29:31 PM Central Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: But Earl old chum, if you don't have any Flyonel diesels, how do you know they are not any good? * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. Well Roy old chum, I did not say they were not any good. I am saying they are not competitive with AM and SHS. I feel sorry for operators who purchase the Flyonel because its probably due to lack of knowledge about the alternatives available today. I can think of three reasons to purchase Flyonel diesels. First is for collectors. But I am an operator so that does not fit my needs. Second, is choice of roadnames. If you really want an Erie PA, you had better get the Flyonel one. Third is color compatibility. Russ wants a Daylight set of PAs to match his Flyonel passenger cars. The AM PAs may not match the paint of those passenger cars as perfectly as the Flyonel ones do, since Flyonel offered the PAs and the passenger cars together. As an operator, I have already written about the advantages of AM or SHS diesels compared to Flyonel. This is the most important reason I consider the Flyonel PAs to be inferior to the AM and SHS diesels. Here is another reason I forgot to mention: The Flyonel PAs are powered by oversize trucks. (I think they are O gauge but I will let someone else clarify that.) Once I had a Flyer PA on the same track with AM and SHS diesels, I finally realized (dummies are slow learners) why the Flyer PAs did not look quite right with the passenger cars. They are simply too tall! Aside from height, the AM trucks look much better (more to scale) than the Flyonel trucks. * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. I have a Flyonel UP, NP, Silver Flash and they al run like tops. Having said that, those are all I have and probably all that I ever will have in the way of diesels from Lionel. I like the AM and SHS detailing better. Roy Inman PS: I don't think you're a dummy. But I would encourage you to run a Flyonel for yourself, put in under your pillow for a week or so to make a firm bond, then get back to us. * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. Well, Roy old chum, no loco goes under my pillow but what I dream about is the SHS Southern Railway #722 Consolidation. But I will admit that Flyonel has come out with one beautiful locomotive in their Southern Railway #4501 Mikado. I expect both of them to pull lots of Southern Railway Steam Excursions like the ones I rode in the 1970's. And my AM Southern Railway Pacific will pull my mainline heavyweight full length cars. - Earl Henry, Music City USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Gentlemen, When I joined the NASG in 1972, I was invited to join because of my interest in "S", whether it be Flyer, scale or otherwise. Upon reading my first issue of the Herald, I read someone's comments about "that Flyer junk!". The very next issue, the bulk of the publication was devoted to a member who converted a 636 Flyer reel car to scale. These differences of opinion as to what is right, and who has the best have been ongoing for god knows how long. I would like to express some of my own views here. 1. There are no Dummies here-just particular tastes in trains. 2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. 3. American Flyer collectors run their trains and build lavish layouts (not to scale, of course) with American Flyer equipment and compatibles. They also purchase SHS and AM equipment. 4. SHS and AM equipment is beautifully made, and run superbly. These two gentlemen took a huge gamble and have succeded (Back in the 80's I didn't think either of them would). I wonder how many times they both were about to pull their hair out over an issue brought forth to them about the height, width or length, or rivet count on a particular item that they produced? 5. Flyonel is upgraded (mechanics only) Gilbert (Mikado excluded) and runs as well or better than Gilbert Flyer. 6. My Mikado from Flyonel looks stupid on an all Flyer layout. SHS and AM look equally stupid on the same layout. "S"incerely, Fred Jester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37593	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Layout Planning Progress / Pics

http://s-scale.org/albums/albuq27 Well this shows better than the primitive track plan with the old DOS software. Right now the main spare time focus is on switch cleaning. One done, the rest to go. Takes about two hours to completely tare one down, clean, reassemble. A couple were in such rough condition that I ended up making one out of two. Outcome looks and works as good as new. At 2 hours per switch... looks like another 26+ hours alone in switch cleaning. "Out of WHAT spare time!?!?!?" More uncouplers will be needed. More switch controllers as well, only have four at this time. Slowly coming up with the master shopping list of spare parts required. At some point get REAL accurate with track positioning and do the custom cuts required to have everything straight and square. Still need to figure out what operating accessories I will try to locate, and see if they fit well with the sidings I have currently placed... else maybe some changes needed, thus no custom cuts yet, etc... 0-8-0 343 switches a bit better with the tape to keep the magnetic properties of the E unit from keeping it latched forever, not perfect, but progress. Northern loves to purr around this layout. I went extra fussy selecting track out of my collection... all grade A #1 only, then a session with the cleaning eraser thing, works amazingly well with only the single temp power feed. Anyway, 'tis the view of progress for now. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37594	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU

Dear Fred, If American Flyer is not S Scale, what scale is it? All of my American Flyer catalogs told me I had S scale trains? Did A.C. fib to me? Curious in NJ, Don fredstrainparts@... wrote: >2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. >"S"incerely, > >Fred Jester >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37595	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES)

I read a lot of stuff on this list that doesn't ring true for me, but I generally let it pass. These insults of various products however I have to respond to. My comments are below. ----- Original Message ----- From: fredstrainparts@... "Fred Jester" > 2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. > > > > > > Why insult AF that way, saying it's not S scale? Given that wheel-flanges and couplers are not to scale, most everything else AF is. Maybe you're thinking of Lionel, which we all know is (traditionally at least) not O scale. Being a fan of intermodal RRing, I do call to mind the dinky trailers on AF flat cars that are certainly not S scale. Possible a few other AF items, but I can't think what. Certainly not the line as a whole. < < < < < < > 6. My Mikado from Flyonel looks stupid on an-all Flyer layout. SHS and AM look equally stupid on the same layout. > > > > > > Neither that Lionel Mikado nor any SHS or AM look stupid anywhere. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37596	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIE

In a message dated 12/5/2005 9:07:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, don@... writes: Dear Fred, If American Flyer is not S Scale, what scale is it? All of my American Flyer catalogs told me I had S scale trains? Did A.C. fib to me? Curious in NJ, Don fredstrainparts@... wrote: >2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. >"S"incerely, > >Fred Jester > Dear Don, Yes, I believe that 'ol AC shammed us here, just as he did telling us that a northern was a challenger. But hey, we just mesmerized kids back then, and believed most anything. Besides, if you were in love with Flyer way back then (or trains period for that matter), I don't believe that you were interested much in prototipical issues of scale, otherwise you would have opted for H-O trains. Just ask an purist scaler in S this question and see what kind of a dissertation you will get. I'm sure that he will tell you that Flyer is way off the scale (junk even), and your products are the better fit. The manufacturers of "O" gauge claimed their trains to be "scale" also. Get out your ruler and start measuring these items. We were all misled.... Sincerely, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37597	From: John	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU

While I love A.C. Gilbert trains, I have to agree with Fred, when one purchases a loco, it all depends upon what you want: do you only want AC Gilbert? In my case, I want them all, but I do not have the finances to do that. I just purchased the ATSF Baldwin from AM, and I have the 812 TP Baldwin from AF, When I set the two side by side, The door to the AM is bigger than the door to the AF, the AM Baldwin is shorter than the AF version, the AM version has handrails, while the AF version does not; I will still run both of these on my layout! John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, fredstrainparts@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/5/2005 12:06:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > tennsgauge@a... writes: > > In a message dated 12/4/2005 7:29:31 PM Central Standard Time, > rinphoto@e... writes: > But Earl old chum, if you don't have any Flyonel diesels, how do you know > they are not any good? > * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. > Well Roy old chum, I did not say they were not any good. I am saying they > are not competitive with AM and SHS. I feel sorry for operators who > purchase > the Flyonel because its probably due to lack of knowledge about the > alternatives > available today. > > I can think of three reasons to purchase Flyonel diesels. > > First is for collectors. But I am an operator so that does not fit my > needs. > > > Second, is choice of roadnames. If you really want an Erie PA, you had > better get the Flyonel one. > > Third is color compatibility. Russ wants a Daylight set of PAs to match his > Flyonel passenger cars. The AM PAs may not match the paint of those > passenger cars as perfectly as the Flyonel ones do, since Flyonel offered > the PAs and > the passenger cars together. > > As an operator, I have already written about the advantages of AM or SHS > diesels compared to Flyonel. This is the most important reason I consider > the > Flyonel PAs to be inferior to the AM and SHS diesels. > > Here is another reason I forgot to mention: The Flyonel PAs are powered by > oversize trucks. (I think they are O gauge but I will let someone else > clarify > that.) Once I had a Flyer PA on the same track with AM and SHS diesels, I > finally realized (dummies are slow learners) why the Flyer PAs did not look > quite right with the passenger cars. They are simply too tall! Aside > from > height, the AM trucks look much better (more to scale) than the Flyonel > trucks. > * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. > > I have a Flyonel UP, NP, Silver Flash and they al run like tops. > Having said that, those are all I have and probably all that I ever will > have in the way of diesels from Lionel. I like the AM and SHS detailing > better. > Roy Inman > PS: I don't think you're a dummy. But I would encourage you to run a Flyonel > for yourself, put in under your pillow for a week or so to make a firm bond, > then get back to us. > * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *. > > Well, Roy old chum, no loco goes under my pillow but what I dream about is > the SHS Southern Railway #722 Consolidation. But I will admit that Flyonel > has > come out with one beautiful locomotive in their Southern Railway #4501 > Mikado. > I expect both of them to pull lots of Southern Railway Steam Excursions like > the ones I rode in the 1970's. And my AM Southern Railway Pacific will pull > my mainline heavyweight full length cars. > > - Earl Henry, Music City USA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Gentlemen, > > When I joined the NASG in 1972, I was invited to join because of my interest > in "S", whether it be Flyer, scale or otherwise. Upon reading my first > issue of the Herald, I read someone's comments about "that Flyer junk!". The > very next issue, the bulk of the publication was devoted to a member who > converted a 636 Flyer reel car to scale. > > These differences of opinion as to what is right, and who has the best have > been ongoing for god knows how long. I would like to express some of my own > views here. > > 1. There are no Dummies here-just particular tastes in trains. > 2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. > 3. American Flyer collectors run their trains and build lavish layouts (not > to scale, of course) with American Flyer equipment and compatibles. They > also purchase SHS and AM equipment. > 4. SHS and AM equipment is beautifully made, and run superbly. These two > gentlemen took a huge gamble and have succeded (Back in the 80's I didn't > think either of them would). I wonder how many times they both were about to > pull their hair out over an issue brought forth to them about the height, width > or length, or rivet count on a particular item that they produced? > 5. Flyonel is upgraded (mechanics only) Gilbert (Mikado excluded) and runs > as well or better than Gilbert Flyer. > 6. My Mikado from Flyonel looks stupid on an all Flyer layout. SHS and AM > look equally stupid on the same layout. > > "S"incerely, > > Fred Jester > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37598	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU

Based on the "TOY" trains that were available in 1940s & 1950s A.C. Gilbert was "S" scale. Most of his trains were for young boys and their fathers. Could you put an HO track and train on the carpet then or today? I agree that some features were not scale but look how many rivit counters have kit bashed Gilbert trains to run on their "S" scale layouts. A. C. Gilbert was more scale than any ready to run trains of his lifetime. How did this conversation get on the "S" trains list anyway? Staying on hi-rail track, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> To: <fredstrainparts@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES) > Dear Fred, > If American Flyer is not S Scale, what scale is it? All of my > American Flyer catalogs told me I had S scale trains? Did A.C. fib to me? > Curious in NJ, > Don > > fredstrainparts@... wrote: > > >2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. > >"S"incerely, > > > >Fred Jester > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37599	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Flyonel vs. AM/SHS

My question about which Alco PA AB units I should purchase to complete my Daylight train has received a lot of great feedback. Thanks to all. But it's something like the old argument between Lionel and Flyer fans - both sides have their true believers. And on that score, 0 vs. S gauge - I'm with the AF true believers, no contest! After all whoever saw a real railroad with 3 rail tracks? The AM option has the most votes so far. Currently I run my SP train with an SHS Black Widow F3 AB or with the AM SP trainmaster. It looks great with either and they pull the 5 cars well! But I'd like to have the real matching diesel with it too. Wouldn't we all? My layout is very eclectic with traditional AF, Flyonel, AM, SHS and even K-Line rolling stock. I consider myself an operator/collector. I began at age 6 in '48 with a Christmas set from my Dad, the Pennsy 312 set. So thanks again and if anyone has more feedback, I'll keep reading. Russ from the 'Wild Wild' West in Oregon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37600	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: B&O DOCKSIDER NON SMOKING

What is the reason & fix for a Docksider(LTI) not smoking? Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37601	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIE

In a message dated 12/5/2005 10:53:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, t.hawley@... writes: I read a lot of stuff on this list that doesn't ring true for me, but I generally let it pass. These insults of various products however I have to respond to. My comments are below. ----- Original Message ----- From: fredstrainparts@... "Fred Jester" > 2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. > > > > > > Why insult AF that way, saying it's not S scale? Given that wheel-flanges and couplers are not to scale, most everything else AF is. Maybe you're thinking of Lionel, which we all know is (traditionally at least) not O scale. Being a fan of intermodal RRing, I do call to mind the dinky trailers on AF flat cars that are certainly not S scale. Possible a few other AF items, but I can't think what. Certainly not the line as a whole. < < < < < < > 6. My Mikado from Flyonel looks stupid on an-all Flyer layout. SHS and AM look equally stupid on the same layout. > > > > > > Neither that Lionel Mikado nor any SHS or AM look stupid anywhere. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan Gentlemen, I apologize for any miss-understanding from my previous comments. I wasn't trying to insult the integrity of American Flyer or any other manufacturer of trains. Heck, I have 2 houses full of Flyer. Comment #6 should have had the words "out of place" rather than "stupid" in its content. The point that I was trying to make here is that if you have a layout consisting of flyer track and accessories, and you run a train consisting of AM or SHS down that track, past a Mystic station or some reasonable facsimile thereof, that combination of railroad equipment just doesn't look good together. So, my point is that most "S" scale equipment is more enhanced when it is on "S" scale track, along with scenery and buildings that are of the same caliber. I for one LOVE American Flyer for what it is past and present, always have and always will. I do not own a single piece of railroad equipment from any other manufacturer. I do not knock anybody else's likes of their particular manufacturer or gauge, or how they build layouts and combine products to run on them. SHS and AM have done a superb job in the products that they have produced for the "S" market. Their products are beautifully detailed, run very well, and are more to scale than Flyer. I equally like the Flyonel Mikado. Lionel outdid themselves with this one. BUT, had they not labeled this piece American Flyer, I would have not have one in my possession today. If I were to divest myself of all of my Flyer and later on decided to model a layout in "S", Flyer probably would be a miniscule part (if any at all) of it. Respectfully yours in "S" Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37602	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: 2025 Question

Greetings, Need some help from those in the group who have experience with Lionel. A friend asked me to see if I could get this engine running and after removing the shell discovered a broken wire. It comes off the front roller pick-up and goes.....? From the length of the wire it looks like it was attached to a solder lug at the top of the reverse unit. The light and smoke unit wires are connected to this lug. Is this the correct location? Thanks for your input! Best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37603	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/5/2005
Subject: opinions

Hi all, Somehow we on this list have a tendency to get back to what separates us rather than what we all have in common. How boring it would be if we all thought the same. Lets agree to disagree on issues that divide us and embrace what we have in common. I have a variety of rolling stock and each of the cars excel in different areas. I would not give one of my beautiful S-helper cars to my young grandkids to play with because one oops would probably destroy those fragile steps at a minimum. Fortunately, AF and K-line cars are perfect for that. The fact that we now have a variety of manufacturers to choose from is a blessing, not a line in the sand. Yes, my new Docksider has little rollers on the track for electrical contact, not exactly prototypical. However it runs smooth and didn't break the bank. Same goes for the K-line cars. As my layout develops, I lean more toward modeling reality, but the AF action accessories have yet to be matched by any of the great, new manufacturers. So like many of us, I have a section devoted to them. When A.C. Gilbert released his new line of trains they were at least a leader in the field when it came to modeling reality. They were the leader in S scale back then. Now we have great additions to S scale which surpass in detail what was available 50 years ago. However fifty years later AF trains still run and run. Imagine how they may have developed had we not lost A.C. at a relatively early age. If it were not for his great trains we would all be playing with HO or O. At any rate, lets not drive away folks on this great, helpful list with petty, endless tirades about how my dog is better than your dog. One man's opinion, Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37604	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Tis the season ....or who fried Santa on the Rails ...

For all those who e mailed and didnt figure out how to play..here again is the INSTRUCTIONS and The Link all on one posting ...Thanx Use your arrow keys on the keyboard to assist Santa to getting to his Xmas cheer...and gifts ..do not let him near the Rails ...seems like this train is HIGH VOLTAGE.... http://www.banditos.info/speles/sobersanta2.swf

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37605	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

Lots of inexpensive rolling stock on the new December list posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37606	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: American Flyer Christmas Card

I found a Christmas card with Santa holding a vintage American Flyer Atlantic.They are available for sale at $9.95 per pack of 10 (Add $1 for shipping per box). You can see it on my homepage; http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37607	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 1 Dummy 2 Another Dummy...

In a message dated 12/5/2005 11:50:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scottdee25@... writes: Previously written: Well Roy old chum, I did not say they were not any good. I am saying they are not competitive with AM and SHS. I feel sorry for operators who purchase the Flyonel because its probably due to lack of knowledge about the alternatives available today. What the heck Fred, I might as well join the fray... To say that Flyonel is not "competitive" with AM and SHS I think is mis-leading... In terms of Marketplace competition, I would venture to guess that Flyonel out sells it competitors in S based products... I would also guess that AM and SHS sell more hi-rail versions of product than scale versions... In general, perhaps you meant to say that in your opinion AM and SHS are more scale like or may run more scale like (except for that darn Flyonel Mikado).... AC Gilbert advertised realism back during the halcyon days and compared to his main competition - Lionel - was probably right in asserting his claim... but it is true that scale compromises were obviously made that gave Gilbert trains their unique identity... I'm glad we have all the choice we do is S products right now.... Scott Dee Here's one for you all to determine. What gauge (or scale) was Flyer previous to 1946, when it ran on "O" gauge 3-rail track? I call the era 3/16" O-gauge. You wouldn't believe how many people think that a 565 engine is "S" gauge, until the parts that I get out for them aren't looking the same as was on their engine. Fred Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37608	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] B&O DOCKSIDER NON SMOKING

In a message dated 12/6/2005 1:34:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, anormal1@... writes: What is the reason & fix for a Docksider(LTI) not smoking? Mike They neglected to install a real American flyer smoke unit in it?? Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37609	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Sears Christmas Wish Book 1958

Listed is an Exclusive for Sears by A C Gilbert American Flyer 2 train over and under train set which had one train (Atlantic) and another a Baldwin Switcher on the same over and under figure eight track and claim they will never run into each other Can some one enlighten me on how this was accomplished? The two fine looking sets were just $ 38.98 WOW what a buy? Thank you Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37610	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU

I agree with Don, a little over a year ago I converted from O Gauge/O Scale to S Gauge/Scale, for one reason, bsically everything made in S was 3/16 or 1/4, whereas O came in every size from Near Scale, Scale, Semi Scale ete, if American Flyer is not S Scale then what is it, I find that my S Helper Engines and cars and American Model Engines as well as their cars look great with the collection of Gilber/Lionel American Flyer engines and stock, the K Line S cars are just a tad to big and reminds me of the days of operating all the various sizes put out by O gauge manufacturers. In looking at all the equipment produced by ACG Flyer the Atlantic to me seems to be oversized compared to the Hudson or Northern that was produced. Please excuse any typing or spelling errors just back from Eye surgery. Jerry Matsick A Happy S Gauger / S Scaler Jacksonville Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: Dear Fred, If American Flyer is not S Scale, what scale is it? All of my American Flyer catalogs told me I had S scale trains? Did A.C. fib to me? Curious in NJ, Don fredstrainparts@... wrote: >2. American Flyer is "S" gauge, not "S" scale. >"S"incerely, > >Fred Jester > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37611	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2871: AF Std Guage Engine Tune UP

Dear "Gort": If it runs weakly with a push start, there's a good chance one of the windings on the armature has become unsoldered. Try refreshing each of the soldering joints on the commutator. If the problem resurfaces, then : 1. The windings may have been damaged and the armature will have to be rewound; or, 2. There's something mechanically wrong with the engine that might be binding the armature (worn gear bores or axle bushings) or otherwise not allowing it to come up to speed (bad armature bearings/bushings). I rebuild / rewind these all the time. They're a great engine to have and to run once years of wear and neglect have been eliminated. Bob Hannon Message: 4 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:24:02 -0000 From: "klaatu1944" <gort@...> Subject: AF Std Guage Engine Tune UP Can anyone suggest how to 'tune up' an AF standard guage 4644 engine? Cleaning and lubrication didn't seem to help, although there is still a lot of sparking at the brushes. If you push start it, it can pull itself around the track, but that is about all. Thanks for any advice

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37612	From: Art	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Loose Loco Tires

Hi: I have a 303 Atlantic on which a driver tire came loose while running on my holiday layout at a local museum. Fortunately, I had a spare locomotive, 21160, to take over the layout duties. The tire is not broken and although it can come off the wheel, it is easy to slide back on tightly. Therefore, I would like to reattach this to the driver wheel without taking the driver off. My thought would be to put some type of glue on the wheel and then slide the tire back on the wheel. However, I would like to know what those on the list suggest for glue to accomplish this repair and/or if there is some other method to reattach this tire. On another note, in getting the layout ready I used the hair dryer treatment I learned on this list on my stockyard cows and the white residue wiped right off and they look great. Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37613	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires

Cyanoacrylate glue known commercially as Super Glue or Krazy Glue is a good one to use. The gel kind fills gaps and sets slower giving you time to make adjustments. I think you could also use regular super glue by applying it after getting the tire in place. It is thin enough to seep in. Paul Yorke recommended a really good super glue by Surehold sold at Walgreens, which has a drip-proof, clog-proof dispenser. It really works, and keeps the whole tube from turning into a rock after a couple uses. Art <aag_rlg@...> wrote: Hi: I have a 303 Atlantic on which a driver tire came loose while running on my holiday layout at a local museum. Fortunately, I had a spare locomotive, 21160, to take over the layout duties. The tire is not broken and although it can come off the wheel, it is easy to slide back on tightly. Therefore, I would like to reattach this to the driver wheel without taking the driver off. My thought would be to put some type of glue on the wheel and then slide the tire back on the wheel. However, I would like to know what those on the list suggest for glue to accomplish this repair and/or if there is some other method to reattach this tire. On another note, in getting the layout ready I used the hair dryer treatment I learned on this list on my stockyard cows and the white residue wiped right off and they look great. Thanks, Art S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37614	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: 'Tis the season...or Who fried Santa on the rails...

On Tuesday, December 6th, "Edward G." wrote: ........................................................................................................... Message: 21 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:13:08 -0000 From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> Subject: Tis the season ....or who fried Santa on the Rails ... For all those who e mailed and didnt figure out how to play..here again is the INSTRUCTIONS and The Link all on one posting ...Thanx Use your arrow keys on the keyboard to assist Santa to getting to his Xmas cheer...and gifts ..do not let him near the Rails ...seems like this train is HIGH VOLTAGE.... http://www.banditos.info/speles/sobersanta2.swf ..................................................................................................................... It's a fun little game and has me chuckling out loud each time I play it. So far, my high score is 456. Has anyone topped that score? Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37615	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2872

Subject: Re: Fwd: Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DUMMIES) What is going on???? We don't have any three railers to rag on, now we are fighting between our own group. about our toys that we grew up with, many different variations, based on what we like, what part of the country we were raised. I run prewar three rail American Flyer, it looks good, it runs good, I like it. We have a forum here, [S-Trains] , most of us could not have imagined ( except for Buck Rogers fans ) to share our hobby, this is no place for petty bickering. MARRY CHRISTMAS and/or HAPPY HOLIDAYS from snowy Colorado Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37616	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires

On Dec 6, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Scott Holm wrote: > Cyanoacrylate glue known commercially as Super Glue or Krazy Glue > is a good one to use. The gel kind fills gaps and sets slower > giving you time to make adjustments. > I think you could also use regular super glue by applying it > after getting the tire in place. It is thin enough to seep in. > > Paul Yorke recommended a really good super glue by Surehold sold > at Walgreens, which has a drip-proof, clog-proof dispenser. It > really works, and keeps the whole tube from turning into a rock > after a couple uses. > > Art <aag_rlg@...> wrote: > Hi: > > I have a 303 Atlantic on which a driver tire came loose while running > on my holiday layout at a local museum. Fortunately, I had a spare > locomotive, 21160, to take over the layout duties. The tire is not > broken and although it can come off the wheel, it is easy to slide > back > on tightly. Therefore, I would like to reattach this to the driver > wheel without taking the driver off. My thought would be to put some > type of glue on the wheel and then slide the tire back on the wheel. > However, I would like to know what those on the list suggest for glue > to accomplish this repair and/or if there is some other method to > reattach this tire. > > On another note, in getting the layout ready I used the hair dryer > treatment I learned on this list on my stockyard cows and the white > residue wiped right off and they look great. > > Thanks, > Art > > Super glue is not a good thing to use on a driver tire. Super has zero strength on the shear plain that is the plain between your tire and wheel. Try to make the wheel surface rough and press the tire back on. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... I wish the buck stopped here as I could use a few

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37618	From: John Bevington	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2871: AF Std Gauge Engine Tune UP

When you say you "cleaned" the engine, did that include cleaning the commutator and brushes? Did you make sure to clean the gaps in the commutator? Often times a dirty commutator is the problem. Also, if the brushes are badly worn you will have a poor contact point. Short term fix is to stretch the springs slightly to put a little more pressure on the brushes. A better fix would be to replace the brushes. Also, too much lubricating oil on the motor bearings will cause poor contact on the commutator as well. Hope this has helped. John Bevington Pewaukee, WI > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Hannon > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:32 AM S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com When you say you "cleaned" the engine, did that include cleaning the commutator and brushes? Did you make sure to clean the gaps in the commutator? Often times a dirty commutator is the problem. Also, if the brushes are badly worn you will have a poor contact point. Short term fix is to stretch the springs slightly to put a little more pressure on the brushes. A better fix would be to replace the brushes. Also, too much lubricating oil on the motor bearings will cause poor contact on the commutator as well. Hope this has helped. John Bevington Pewaukee, WI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37620	From: John Foley	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: BIG DUMP TRUCK

Hi Folks If you need a really big dump truck for a strip mine or quarry here is one offered in 1/64th. http://store.yahoo.com/whitebearstudios/dutrkit1sc.html It's a big model at 4.50" long. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37621	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: B&O DOCKSIDER NON SMOKING

I Had the same problem, I found resistance of the heating element to be 20 ohms & thats too high for the low voltage that is used to power this unit , so by trial & error I started taking a few turns of the nichrome wire off untill I got it to 8 ohms & that seems to work better, although it still won't smoke like an old Gilbert smoke unit

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37622	From: Phil K	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Historic drumheads

In my travels, one of the things I look for at railroad museums is historic drumheads -- the colorful, lighted signs mounted on the rear platform of observation cars on "name" passenger trains of the bygone era, when the train passenger was king. There was a certain palpable romance associated with these "name trains," which added to the luster of train travel. Not only were these drumheads an identifier, they were a superb marketing opportunity for railroads to showcase their long distance first-class passenger service. You've seen multitudes of photos showing celebrities posing for news and publicity photos at train stations with these drumheads not-so-accidentally in the background. Most railroads had photographers on call to record the scene when famous faces rode their trains. The knew who was going to be where, as the publicity department carefully monitored passenger manifests just for this purpose. Many such photos were taken at the many train stations in Chicago, the nation's railroad hub -- where passengers traveling from one coast to the other had to switch trains, as no single railroad offered coast-to-coast passenger service. As an aside, with as many as eight train stations, Chicago was the place where arriving passengers would flag a cab and say "Union Station, and step on it!" to make their connection and continue their trip across the country. Those celebrity-types with longer layovers had an open invitation for a comp dinner in Chicago at famous restaurants like The Blackhawk and the Pump Room -- where, of course, they would also be expected to be guests on live radio shows broadcasting from the restaurants. Booth One at the Pump Room is where gossip columnists like Irv Kupcinet and Walter Winchell hovered, waiting for possible interviews with famous personalities killing time between trains. During Prohibition, for a palmed fiver, train porters would give out the location and password for any number of Chicago's 10,000 speakeasies, should a passenger need to slake his thirst between trains. Anyway, I've posted my photos of 33 drumheads taken at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, where they have on exhibit the drumhead collection of Frederick Bauer. Click on the link and then click on "Phil K's trains" to get to the album. You'll also notice that Amtrak has thoughtfully preserved some of the names, although the routes may have changed slightly and they no longer run on tight schedules, as during the halcyon days of passenger travel. http://tinyurl.com/64nvp It's wonderful that the National RR Museum is preserving this important part of railroad history. BTW, if you know of any other similar collections on display, email me off-line. I'm always looking to add to my photo album. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37623	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: 1 Dummy 2 Another Dummy...

In a message dated 12/6/2005 6:14:24 AM Central Standard Time, fredstrainparts@... writes: To say that Flyonel is not "competitive" with AM and SHS I think is mis-leading... In terms of Marketplace competition, I would venture to guess that Flyonel out sells it competitors in S based products... I would also guess that AM and SHS sell more hi-rail versions of product than scale versions... In general, perhaps you meant to say that in your opinion AM and SHS are more scale like or may run more scale like (except for that darn Flyonel Mikado).... * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * Fred, this is Earl Henry. Your points are well taken. However, I really did mean to say they that Flyonel is not "competitive" with AM and SHS. But I should have qualified this by saying "not competitive with informed and knowledgeable buyers who are not collectors or bit by American Flyer nostalgia". Those are the factors that make Flyonel competitive. It makes sense for collectors of American Flyer and Flyonel to want to buy new Flyonel stuff. And American Flyer fans who are not knowledgeable of alternatives naturally buy the Flyonel. But American Flyer fans who have an opportunity to operate the Flyonel and the American Models or SHS products and do a comparison, would choose AM and SHS in the most of the time. I have no data to prove that and have no intention of taking my point that far. But for Flyer fans (I still consider myself to be a Flyer fan, I have simply upgraded to state of the art Flyer-compatible products) who primarily run trains for the fun of it (operators) there is not much comparison. Not that I expect everyone reading this to agree with me. And I am not necessarily right. But it is an opinion from someone who is pretty opinionated. I want to take issue with you on the statement you made that your Mikado from Flyonel looks stupid on an-all Flyer layout. My Southern Railway Mikado does not look stupid with Flyer stuff. It simply makes me want to sell many of my Flyer items, most of which I have sold anyway. Let me give you an example. I bought the beautiful Southern Railway Mikado. I also bought the Flyonel Southern Railway caboose at the same time. I now want to sell the caboose. It really looks cheap compared to the Mikado, whereas the SHS caboose (unfortunately not available in Southern) does not look cheap. The caboose represents a high quality product from the 1950s which is a poor quality product compared to the alternatives in the 21st century. And the same is true of nearly all the Flyonel rolling stock, freight and passenger. Again, just an opinion. - Earl Henry, Music City USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37624	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: opinions... I am usually right, but for once i am wrong...

Alex, Cooler heads always prevail... Very good points... The discourse is fun to listen to as long as all are polite and a little humor is ok too... BUT, my dog eats Kennel Ration so he's better than yours... Remember the ad jingle: My dog's better than your dog... PS: I also wear Ked's that are better than PF Flyers.... Keep smiling. it all works itself out. Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sibbald Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:09 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] opinions Hi all, Somehow we on this list have a tendency to get back to what separates us rather than what we all have in common. How boring it would be if we all thought the same. Lets agree to disagree on issues that divide us and embrace what we have in common. I have a variety of rolling stock and each of the cars excel in different areas. I would not give one of my beautiful S-helper cars to my young grandkids to play with because one oops would probably destroy those fragile steps at a minimum. Fortunately, AF and K-line cars are perfect for that. The fact that we now have a variety of manufacturers to choose from is a blessing, not a line in the sand. Yes, my new Docksider has little rollers on the track for electrical contact, not exactly prototypical. However it runs smooth and didn't break the bank. Same goes for the K-line cars. As my layout develops, I lean more toward modeling reality, but the AF action accessories have yet to be matched by any of the great, new manufacturers. So like many of us, I have a section devoted to them. When A.C. Gilbert released his new line of trains they were at least a leader in the field when it came to modeling reality. They were the leader in S scale back then. Now we have great additions to S scale which surpass in detail what was available 50 years ago. However fifty years later AF trains still run and run. Imagine how they may have developed had we not lost A.C. at a relatively early age. If it were not for his great trains we would all be playing with HO or O. At any rate, lets not drive away folks on this great, helpful list with petty, endless tirades about how my dog is better than your dog. One man's opinion, Alex Sibbald S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37625	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/6/2005
Subject: Re: 'Tis the season...or Who fried Santa on the rails...

I've tried, but I apparently had too much to drink! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Papky Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 'Tis the season...or Who fried Santa on the rails... On Tuesday, December 6th, "Edward G." wrote: ............................................................................ ............................... Message: 21 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:13:08 -0000 From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> Subject: Tis the season ....or who fried Santa on the Rails ... For all those who e mailed and didnt figure out how to play..here again is the INSTRUCTIONS and The Link all on one posting ...Thanx Use your arrow keys on the keyboard to assist Santa to getting to his Xmas cheer...and gifts ..do not let him near the Rails ...seems like this train is HIGH VOLTAGE.... http://www.banditos.info/speles/sobersanta2.swf ............................................................................ ......................................... It's a fun little game and has me chuckling out loud each time I play it. So far, my high score is 456. Has anyone topped that score? Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37626	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Faucet Delivery

Yesterday I received in the mail, a new Moen Kitchen faucet to replace the 12 year old one I currently have on the sink now. It is being install right now. What does this have to do with trains you ask! O:)! Well, both my wife and I agree, that the heavy duty cardboard box, who lid folds into the front, reminds us of a train set, especially, the way, the parts are laid out in the box, being sectioned into different areas, like track, transformers, engine and cars. And the instruction booklet for use. Just looks too beautiful to take out of the box! Maybe in 30 years I can put this "Mint in Box" faucet on Ebay. And I got free shipping on this item too, with no MD sales tax! Heavy item, as I paid 40 dollars less than I did 12 years ago at the local Hechinger, a long time Washington Hardware store that fell victim to the Grand Orange Palace, just like in many towns across the country. Oh well, cheap price, no service. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37627	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation

Hi, I am looking for a way to wire up a reverse loop relay, using AC track operations, without a #695 unit. I have seen the method listed in the original Flyer operations manual, using DPDT switch, but I was wondering if anyone has solved this with a relay or an automatic system.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37628	From: Art	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires

Hi: I want to thank everyone for their responses to my question. This group is always very helpful and I will be using the suggestions to repair the loco. However, the responses made me curious about how the tires were originally secured to the wheel at the Gilbert factory. Was this just by friction or did Gilbert use some type of glue that has now, after 50 years, failed? Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37629	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: gauge v. scale & related matters

Hi Gang, When (if ever) did AF catalogs & their other marketing & sales materials refer to their products as "S"? I can find no mention of it in the seminal '46 catalog, which in plastic, serves as an immensely oversized billboard on my O gauge layout. Most of the time, most of the trains being run are Gilbert's 3/16s O gauge precursors to S. Have you ever noticed the subtle artwork differences between AF '39 - '42 and thereafter? Prior to offering two rail, their logo was a circle of 3 rail track surrounding "Gilbert American Flyer 3 / 16" scale trains" in red and black. The circle was changed to two rail track in the '46 catalog. One of the perpetrators and perpetuators of the widespread misuse of 'scale' and 'gauge' as synonyms is eBay. Their toy / model train categories include the term 'scale'. In their current catalog Lionel continues to ignore AF's history prior to '46. They refer to the 332 as the first Northern that it offered. Evidently those 806s, 571s, 572s, 533s & 534s are illusions..... Art (Shiffy) Shifrin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37630	From: muniman18	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: buss bar

MORNING WITH MY LAYOUT INSTEAD OF A BUSS BAR I WAS THINKING OF USING THERMINAL STRIPS IT WOULD A LOT NEATER AND EASY TO IDENTIFY BUT WILL I LOSE ANY JUICE GOING FROM ONE TO ANOTHER ALSO IF YOU'VE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS SETUP ARE COMMON ONES OK LIKE RADIO SHACK PRODUCTS THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37631	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar

Hi Muniman, Terminal strips are a good way to string a bus around the layout. I have a couple of pictures on my website ( http://wpporter.duckburg.us/szot2002_2.htm ) that show how I wired solder strips on a layout. I have used the technique several times. It works well. I have also used the screw-type, barrier terminal strips. They work, OK, but, they are more money and a lot more work. To do them right, you must wither add spade terminals to the ends of teh wires or tin them with solder before attaching to the strips. Then, it seems that the connections on the other side often have room for too few local feeder wires. Good Luck, Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > MORNING WITH MY LAYOUT INSTEAD OF A BUSS BAR I WAS THINKING OF > USING THERMINAL STRIPS IT WOULD A LOT NEATER AND EASY TO IDENTIFY BUT > WILL I LOSE ANY JUICE GOING FROM ONE TO ANOTHER ALSO IF YOU'VE HAD > ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS SETUP ARE COMMON ONES OK LIKE RADIO SHACK > PRODUCTS THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37632	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Question on Flyonel vs. American Models (for DU

My question is: from 1950-62 what Pa's did you operate is "S". If they were AC Gilbert, did you discard them? Also, Someone should tell EMD that their F 40's are to high for passenger cars. They look out of scale with The Mass. commuter consists. ENJOY model railroading. The only true scale is 1:1. How many of those do you have on layouts? Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37633	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar

Our (PVMR) layout uses #14 colored stranded wire run as busses. Taps are every 4 ft to the track (prox). Each section of the layout connects to the next with push-pin connectors we got at RADIO SHACK. Anyone who can identify colors and pin configuration differences can crawl under and connect the sections. The group left me do it on Wednesday morning. And left me disconnect them Sat evening. Jim " getting ready to load and move again" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37634	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar

I use Allen Bradley industrial grade terminal blocks for running buss around my layout. I use 14 gauge wire and color code the busses. I use the black for common and run on side of my 30B on red, the other side on yellow and a 15B on green. This powers my three loops. You can see how I set it up at my photo album: http://s-scale.org/albums/albuo08 BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@y...> wrote: > > MORNING WITH MY LAYOUT INSTEAD OF A BUSS BAR I WAS THINKING OF > USING THERMINAL STRIPS IT WOULD A LOT NEATER AND EASY TO IDENTIFY BUT > WILL I LOSE ANY JUICE GOING FROM ONE TO ANOTHER ALSO IF YOU'VE HAD > ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS SETUP ARE COMMON ONES OK LIKE RADIO SHACK > PRODUCTS THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37635	From: Gregory Klein	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Sears Christmas Wish Book 1958

Jerry, I have that set, not in it box though. The Atlantic was all plastic without a light, smoke or choo choo and the Baldwin did not have a light either. The set came with a trestle set and a styrofoam tunnel/overpass combination (long lost). The set came with a black track trip which used a fiber pin in the rail at two locations (I believe--the directions would help), so when a train ran over it, it tripped the other train into motion. Then the tripping train would stop and wait its turn to be tripped into motion. Sounds confusing, I know, but it really did work and I don't remember any rearend collisions. The cabooses were both red and unlighted without window glazings. A very basic set, but it ran well and my brother and I had lots of fun with it. P.S. The Baldwin is a project on my to do list to replace the motor with a can motor kit from Doug Peck and I hope to add a light. The brushes in the motor keep being through out. Regards, Greg Klein Lovettsville, VA Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: Listed is an Exclusive for Sears by A C Gilbert American Flyer 2 train over and under train set which had one train (Atlantic) and another a Baldwin Switcher on the same over and under figure eight track and claim they will never run into each other Can some one enlighten me on how this was accomplished? The two fine looking sets were just $ 38.98 WOW what a buy? Thank you Jerry Matsick Jacksonville S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37636	From: Phil K	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires

They were pressed on at the factory. Those early plastics had a tendency to shrink, just enough to loosen up. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art" <aag_rlg@y...> wrote: > > Hi: > > I want to thank everyone for their responses to my question. This > group is always very helpful and I will be using the suggestions to > repair the loco. However, the responses made me curious about how the > tires were originally secured to the wheel at the Gilbert factory. Was > this just by friction or did Gilbert use some type of glue that has > now, after 50 years, failed? > > Thanks, > Art >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37637	From: skipkendel	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Photo added to my album - and Holiday Greetings

I added one new photo to my Layout Construction album on Paul Yorke's S-Trains.org photo albums. The tops are on the tables now, and I believe I have acquired sufficient roadbed to do the track plan I have in mind. Before laying track, I want to paint the table tops. I'm thinking about a brownish-earth tone color, rather than green. Any thoughts or suggestions? Also, how have others secured the roadbed to their table tops? Glue? Tacks? Inquiring minds want to know. I don't think I will be running trains by Christmas, at least not in the train room. Efforts for the next few days will be concentrated on getting the expanded Christmas 2005 layout under the tree. Happy Holidays to all S-Gaugers, whether scalers, hi-railers, etc., etc., and to be completely politically correct..... Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. In addition, please also accept our best wishes for a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make this country great (not to imply that this country is necessarily greater than any other country or area of choice), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual orientation of the wishers. This wish is limited to the customary and usual good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first. "Holiday" is not intended to be, nor shall it be considered, limited to the usual Judeo-Christian celebrations or observances, or to such activities of any organized or ad hoc religious community, group, individual or belief (or lack thereof). Note: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher at any time, for any reason or for no reason at all. This greeting is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. This greeting implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for the wisher her/himself or others, or responsibility for the consequences which may arise from the implementation or non- implementation of it. This greeting is void where prohibited by law.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37638	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation

Why not use a #695 Reverse Loop Relay? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut1627" <john.hodges@m...> wrote: > > Hi, > I am looking for a way to wire up a reverse loop relay, using AC track > operations, without a #695 unit. I have seen the method listed in the > original Flyer operations manual, using DPDT switch, but I was > wondering if anyone has solved this with a relay or an automatic > system. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37639	From: klaatu1944	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Thank You!

Many thanks to all those who responsed to my request for help on my AF 4644 engine. Turns out that one of the wires from the commutator to the armature is broken--at least that is the first problem to fix. Thanks again. Eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37640	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: opinions... I am usually right, but for once i am wrong...

In a message dated 12/6/2005 6:36:29 PM Central Standard Time, scottdee25@... writes: Remember the ad jingle: My dog's better than your dog... *----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------* YES, AND "ES" IS BEST ! I think we can all agree on that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37641	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Photo added to my album - and Holiday Greetings

Now THAT is a greeting! What a hoot and thanks for the good thoughts. I have secured cork to plywood my smearing on some Elmer's yellow (Carpenter's) glue. I have a bunch of lead weights extracted from old pool vacuums to old the cork in place while the glue dries and cures. When using the traditional split cork, I mark a center line and afix one side of the cork. The other side is applied a little later and the end-to-end joints are staggered. Merry Christmas, Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > I added one new photo to my Layout Construction album on Paul > Yorke's S-Trains.org photo albums. The tops are on the tables now, > and I believe I have acquired sufficient roadbed to do the track > plan I have in mind. > > Before laying track, I want to paint the table tops. I'm thinking > about a brownish-earth tone color, rather than green. Any thoughts > or suggestions? > > Also, how have others secured the roadbed to their table tops? > Glue? Tacks? Inquiring minds want to know. > > I don't think I will be running trains by Christmas, at least not in > the train room. Efforts for the next few days will be concentrated > on getting the expanded Christmas 2005 layout under the tree. > > Happy Holidays to all S-Gaugers, whether scalers, hi-railers, etc., > etc., and to be completely politically correct..... > > > > Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best > wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low > stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter > solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of > the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your > choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or > traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or > secular traditions at all. > > In addition, please also accept our best wishes for a fiscally > successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated > recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year > 2006, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of > other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make this > country great (not to imply that this country is necessarily greater > than any other country or area of choice), and without regard to the > race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual > orientation of the wishers. > > This wish is limited to the customary and usual good tidings for a > period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday > greeting, whichever comes first. "Holiday" is not intended to be, nor > shall it be considered, limited to the usual Judeo-Christian > celebrations or observances, or to such activities of any organized > or ad hoc religious community, group, individual or belief (or lack > thereof). > > Note: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This > greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal, and is revocable > at the sole discretion of the wisher at any time, for any reason or > for no reason at all. This greeting is freely transferable with no > alteration to the original greeting. This greeting implies no > promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for > the wisher her/himself or others, or responsibility for the > consequences which may arise from the implementation or non- > implementation of it. > > This greeting is void where prohibited by law. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37642	From: alhbaker	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: AC to DC Conversion

Hi, I am currently running AC, but I am interested in converting to DC, and I've got some questions. 1. I have seen references that you can put AC on the tracks and then buy small rectifiers at Radio Shack which get installed in the tender with the reversing e-unit either removed or bypassed. When one does this what changes are needed in the engine? Doesn't it need to be converted to a DC motor? If the AC can somehow be used, how do you connect the DC + & - to the 4 wire input to the engine? 2. How well do the above type conversions (assuming I understand it correctly) run compared to applying DC to the tracks and running locos with DC motors? 3. How well do the old original DC loco motors run compared to newer can DC motors? Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37643	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation

Tom Barker's book has an automatic method that requires modifying the switch to install a roller/lever micro switch and a DPDT relay. The parts he says are available at Radio Shack are probably not available there anymore, though. trainnut1627 <john.hodges@...> wrote: Hi, I am looking for a way to wire up a reverse loop relay, using AC track operations, without a #695 unit. I have seen the method listed in the original Flyer operations manual, using DPDT switch, but I was wondering if anyone has solved this with a relay or an automatic system. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37644	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation

There is a way to rewire flyer switches to do this,I read it in an old AFCC news letter.I have it some where in some boxes,I will look for it if no one else has a copy. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainnut1627" <john.hodges@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation > Hi, > I am looking for a way to wire up a reverse loop relay, using AC track > operations, without a #695 unit. I have seen the method listed in the > original Flyer operations manual, using DPDT switch, but I was > wondering if anyone has solved this with a relay or an automatic > system. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37645	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/7/2005
Subject: Re: AC to DC Conversion

I prefer to stay on AC most of the time so I can use the American Models sound. It will operate with Lionel Railsounds buttons. I do run DC also by using a control box attached to the transformer. Use this link to see diagrams of how to wire for DC http://s-scale.org/albums/albuq21 Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "alhbaker" <albaker33@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AC to DC Conversion > Hi, > I am currently running AC, but I am interested in converting to DC, > and I've got some questions. > > 1. I have seen references that you can put AC on the tracks and then > buy small rectifiers at Radio Shack which get installed in the > tender with the reversing e-unit either removed or bypassed. When > one does this what changes are needed in the engine? Doesn't it > need to be converted to a DC motor? If the AC can somehow be used, > how do you connect the DC + & - to the 4 wire input to the > engine? > > 2. How well do the above type conversions (assuming I understand it > correctly) run compared to applying DC to the tracks and running > locos with DC motors? > > 3. How well do the old original DC loco motors run compared to newer > can DC motors? > > Thanks, > Al > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37646	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Fried Santa

Correction, can't read this late. . .548!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37647	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Fried Santa

hO hO hO! 518!!! :) David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37648	From: John	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation

I too would like to know about the wiring of AF switches to do this. Also, MTH has a Reverse Loop Relay device. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert A Persing" <bobville@p...> wrote: > > There is a way to rewire flyer switches to do this,I read it in an old AFCC > news letter.I have it some where in some boxes,I will look for it if no one > else has a copy. Bob Persing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "trainnut1627" <john.hodges@m...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:44 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation > > > > Hi, > > I am looking for a way to wire up a reverse loop relay, using AC track > > operations, without a #695 unit. I have seen the method listed in the > > original Flyer operations manual, using DPDT switch, but I was > > wondering if anyone has solved this with a relay or an automatic > > system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37649	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar

I used Radio Shack terminal strips on my simple layout. They sell a buss strip that fits on one side to make all the screws common. There is a close-up of the terminal strips in my layout album: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun61 The short terminal strips are great for attaching accessories to a portable layout. - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@y...> wrote: > > MORNING WITH MY LAYOUT INSTEAD OF A BUSS BAR I WAS THINKING OF > USING THERMINAL STRIPS IT WOULD A LOT NEATER AND EASY TO IDENTIFY BUT > WILL I LOSE ANY JUICE GOING FROM ONE TO ANOTHER ALSO IF YOU'VE HAD > ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS SETUP ARE COMMON ONES OK LIKE RADIO SHACK > PRODUCTS THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37650	From: tsbikes	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: reverse loop

Hi all, I too am in need of wiring a reverse loop. I own the Flyer reverse loop relay but lack the wiring diagram. Does anyone have one they would be willing to share? Tom Barker's book is on my Christmas list so I may try that method later but I would like to use the relay to get things running for the holiday. Thanks, Jim Grimes tsbikes@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37651	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: reverse loop

I have a wiring diagram from the instructions that came with it . Let me know who needs one and I will email it. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "tsbikes" <tsbikes@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] reverse loop > Hi all, > > I too am in need of wiring a reverse loop. I own the Flyer reverse loop relay but lack the > wiring diagram. Does anyone have one they would be willing to share? > Tom Barker's book is on my Christmas list so I may try that method later but I would like > to use the relay to get things running for the holiday. > > Thanks, > > Jim Grimes > > tsbikes@... > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37652	From: Edward B. Havens	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: reverse loop

Got a better idea. Why doesn't someone who has a copy of the A.F. operating instructions booklet handy scan the reverse loop relay wiring diagram into the Files Section? That way, anybody who needs it can access the wiring information. I have a copy of the booklet but no scanner or I'd add it myself. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > > I have a wiring diagram from the instructions that came with it . Let me > know who needs one and I will email it. > Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tsbikes" <tsbikes@t...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] reverse loop > > > > Hi all, > > > > I too am in need of wiring a reverse loop. I own the Flyer reverse loop > relay but lack the > > wiring diagram. Does anyone have one they would be willing to share? > > Tom Barker's book is on my Christmas list so I may try that method later > but I would like > > to use the relay to get things running for the holiday. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Grimes > > > > tsbikes@t... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37653	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: reverse loop

The complete manual is scanned and posted on my web site at: http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/ManualThumb.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: Edward B. Havens [mailto:edhavens@...] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:15 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: reverse loop Got a better idea. Why doesn't someone who has a copy of the A.F. operating instructions booklet handy scan the reverse loop relay wiring diagram into the Files Section? That way, anybody who needs it can access the wiring information. I have a copy of the booklet but no scanner or I'd add it myself. Edward B. Havens Tucson, Ariz. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@n...> wrote: > > I have a wiring diagram from the instructions that came with it . Let > me know who needs one and I will email it. Chuck Smith, > On matters of style swim with the current. > On matters of substance stand like a rock. > Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tsbikes" <tsbikes@t...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] reverse loop > > > > Hi all, > > > > I too am in need of wiring a reverse loop. I own the Flyer reverse loop > relay but lack the > > wiring diagram. Does anyone have one they would be willing to share? > > Tom Barker's book is on my Christmas list so I may try that method later > but I would like > > to use the relay to get things running for the holiday. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Grimes > > > > tsbikes@t... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37654	From: keefer1	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Green crane boom.

someone on the list was looking for an early crane boom. If you still need one contact me off list.Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37655	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks

I am using a number of Flyer switches on my layout and am having some problems with a few of them, the switch will throw in one direction only, and it could be one way or another on another switch. What could be the problem and what do I need to do to correct this problem. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37656	From: Mac	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Oil drum loader

Well the first storm of the year has driven me to the basement and warmer environs. My flyonel oil drum loader has a frozen drive unit. It does not appear possible to disassemble beyond removing the entire unit from the base. Doug does not have the part (not available) so I'm looking here for help. Perhaps an oil fire destroyed your old unit and you would like to sell it to the scrap dealer? Or perhaps you happen to have an extra drive unit laying around? Or you have a way to get into the darn thing? Anyway, any help will be appreciated, as always. Time for one more snow angel!! Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37657	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2005
Subject: Fwd: The "Liberty Limited" at Perryville, MD! Wow!!!!!!!!

Hello all, I had the privilege, and the opportunity to see this train in the flesh last Saturday, and thought you all might want to have a view of this. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37658	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: The "Liberty Limited" at Perryville, MD! Wow!!!!!!!!

Fred, Where can we see the photo? The S-Trains list program strips attachments. Roy > From: fredstrainparts@... > Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:12:57 -0500 (EST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: The "Liberty Limited" at Perryville, MD! Wow!!!!!!!! > > Hello all, > > I had the privilege, and the opportunity to see this train in the flesh last > Saturday, and thought you all might want to have a view of this. > > Fred > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37659	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks

Buy S Helper switches maybe, to go on your nice layout with S Helper track? O:)! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: American Flyer Switch Tracks > I am using a number of Flyer switches on my layout and am having some > problems with a few of them, the switch will throw in one direction > only, and it could be one way or another on another switch. What > could be the problem and what do I need to do to correct this > problem. > > Jerry Matsick > Jacksonville > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37660	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: News from S Helper Service

The SHS 2005 Christmas Car (MEC Offset Hopper with snow covered coal load) has arrived! All pre-orders have been shipped to dealers and direct customers. We found a few extras, so they are available for sale again on the website. They are in very limited supply, though. The C&O and Waddell Coal USRA hoppers, and PRR composite hoppers have also been shipped to dealers and customers. Waddell is sold out, the others are available for order and immediate shipment. We had some extra snow covered coal loads made up for those winter coal drags! Biggest news of all is that the first shipment of AF compatible/LocoMatic equipped 2-8-0 Consolidations will be arriving in New York Monday December 12. We expect to ship all pre-orders for the AF compatible/LocoMatic consolidations next week! There are a few extra of each road name in the shipment, and these are available for order now for shipment next week. If you have an AF compatible/LocoMatic 2-8-0 Consolidation on pre-order, and have not been contacted about payment options, please send a note to Robin: robint@... http://www.showcaseline.com/ Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37661	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2875

Reverse loop: Don't be intimidate with wiring a reverse loop. The A.F. reverse loop relay # 695 & reverse loop kit #698 is a DPDT switch. First, be aware that you can reverse the polarity ( + & - is direct current only, Base rail and power rail is for flyer trains ) of the track with the train running on that section of track If it is switched fast it will not cause the reverse unit to drop out. Recap: With the train running around the reverse loop, change the polarity of that loop with a DPDT switch or A.F. reverse loop relay. Remember you have to insulate that reverse loop from the running track at the turnout with 4 fiber pins. Jerry 77-11744

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37662	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0500, Jerry Matsick wrote: > I am using a number of Flyer switches on my layout and am having some > problems with a few of them, the switch will throw in one direction > only, and it could be one way or another on another switch. What > could be the problem and what do I need to do to correct this > problem. Well, this is a new area of research I am getting into. With a fare number of switches called for on my layout, means LOTS of moving pieces! ;-) After 50 years, these things seem to call for a "complete" tare down, cleaning, and rebuild. There are moving parts that get "gunked up" with crud, there are several electrical contact points which provide power to the moving part and to the rails between either side of the switch, and the 1/2 train operation switch as well. So far I have managed to turn two busted switches into a single one with success and it is "good as new" now. All the rest of mine are in various stages of disrepair. Maybe needs to turn into a picture HOWTO clinic on Carl's web site I think... I just need the time, space, camera around the entire time, to put it together... I certainly have enough switches as examples! ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37663	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2874

Art ask the question: Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:55:44 -0000 From: "Art" <aag_rlg@...> Subject: Re: Loose Loco Tires Hi: I want to thank everyone for their responses to my question. This group is always very helpful and I will be using the suggestions to repair the loco. However, the responses made me curious about how the tires were originally secured to the wheel at the Gilbert factory. Was this just by friction or did Gilbert use some type of glue that has now, after 50 years, failed? Thanks, Art Art The original rim and plastic insulator is just a press fit when produces at the factory. In 1946 & 47 Gilbert had a problem at the factory and soon after production and shipping many of the locomotives lost their rims, The factory sent out a team to correct this problem, their solution was to drill two some times three small holes thru the rim and insulator into the wheel and insert a fiber pin to hold the rim and insulator to the wheel. That pin is visible on some early locomotives. Today a drop of new technology glue solves this problem Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37664	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Tiejector track trip

Hello everyone, I'm doing a clean & repair job on a set from 1961 that originally came with Pikemaster track. At some point in time, my customer threw away the PM track and obtained standard Flyer track. In the process, he rendered his tiejector car useless (operationally) because he only has the PM track trip for it. Two (& 1/2) questions: 1) What is the AF# for the standard track trip for the tiejector car? 2) Does anyone have one available (& how much)? Doug doesn't have any right now. Reply direct if you have one available. Thanks, Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37665	From: Joseph Higgins	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Tiejector track trip

RFGCO has them. I don't know what the AF# was or if it had one. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@y...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm doing a clean & repair job on a set from 1961 that originally came > with Pikemaster track. At some point in time, my customer threw away > the PM track and obtained standard Flyer track. In the process, he > rendered his tiejector car useless (operationally) because he only has > the PM track trip for it. > > Two (& 1/2) questions: > 1) What is the AF# for the standard track trip for the tiejector car? > 2) Does anyone have one available (& how much)? > > Doug doesn't have any right now. > > Reply direct if you have one available. > > Thanks, > Bruce >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37666	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switches for S Gauge operation

Putting question out, any fellow S Gaugers use Gargraves "S" Gauge Switches or in general would like to know a general opinion. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37667	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: Gargraves Switches for S Gauge operation

In a message dated 12/9/2005 2:29:53 PM Central Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: Putting question out, any fellow S Gaugers use Gargraves "S" Gauge Switches or in general would like to know a general opinion. Jerry Matsick In the 1980s I got all excited about Gargraves switches. I heard great things about them. I ordered four of them. They were awful. I could not get my Flyer Diesels (PAs) to go through them at all. The steamers did better but operation was not reliable. I was very disappointed and sold them at a loss. That has been so long ago. Maybe the switches today are better. For a long time I never heard anything good from anyone about Gargraves S gauge switches. More recently I have read emails from this list that indicate some people have used them with success. Maybe these were a later version that have been re-engineered. Its a moot point for me now because I use SHS and AM track and turnouts. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37668	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: 24230 PEABODY COAL hopper 1961-64

I am told that Greenberg's lists two versions of the car, both cream colored, one unpainted with knuckle couplers and the other painted with Pikemaster, both having the same value. My TM Guide on the other hand shows two versions, one cream colored with knuckle couplers and the other tan with Pikemaster, but it has a footnote saying to look out for tan cars converted to knuckle. It says the cream version is so rare that there is no basis for valuation. Can anyone shed light on the apparent contradiction? I wonder: maybe Greenberg's doesn't list the rare one that TM lists; and maybe it lists the knuckle conversion that TM includes as a note without listing it. Could that be the explanation. Thanks. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37669	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: S Gargraves Switches... get 'em while you can?

S-Folks, I don't that the vendor is manufacturing S gauge track (including switches) at all anymore. However, it may still be in stock at some retailers. Can anyone on the group confirm this? ITS COLD IN BIG DEE.... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tennsgauge@... Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Gargraves Switches for S Gauge operation In a message dated 12/9/2005 2:29:53 PM Central Standard Time, jpmatsick@... writes: Putting question out, any fellow S Gaugers use Gargraves "S" Gauge Switches or in general would like to know a general opinion. Jerry Matsick In the 1980s I got all excited about Gargraves switches. I heard great things about them. I ordered four of them. They were awful. I could not get my Flyer Diesels (PAs) to go through them at all. The steamers did better but operation was not reliable. I was very disappointed and sold them at a loss. That has been so long ago. Maybe the switches today are better. For a long time I never heard anything good from anyone about Gargraves S gauge switches. More recently I have read emails from this list that indicate some people have used them with success. Maybe these were a later version that have been re-engineered. Its a moot point for me now because I use SHS and AM track and turnouts. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37670	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re;Gargraves switches for S gauge operation

My first layout upon returning to S gauge had two Gargraves and two old American Flyer switches connected by Gargraves flex track. The Gargraves switches had lots of derailment problems, while the Flyer switches had alot less trouble even though they were fifty years old! I did have some problem with derailment in the transition from Flyer switches to Gargraves flex track because the Flyer switches were a bit higher than the flex track. I solved future problems by going 100% S-Helper sectional track on the current layout. Stumpy Stone...mutilating a Hartoy truck into a log truck in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37671	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: AF Switches - a possible solution.

I had all twelve AF switches powered by a separate transformer, and basically most of the problem switches were eliminated by just a simple thing as GIVING MORE VOLTS to the operation, I still have 2 switches that will not cooperate. An additional question, what size bulb is best for the switch lantern? Jerry M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37672	From: jt12313	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Black beetle trucks

Has anyone used a black beetle S gauge truck on a project? Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37673	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/11/2005, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37674	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/11/2005, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37675	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: buss bar

Hi: Most of our club's modules use these terminal strips and the buss bars. They are great. Very little resistance and if you use the buss bars you can hook accessories up to them by just using alligator clips. A GREAT advantage at shows where you are trying to get a whole layout set up in a few hours. Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37676	From: trzp1800	Date: 12/9/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switch Tracks

Hi Jerry: I have four remote turnouts on my modules and another six that i use for my Christmas "on the floor" layout. I have not had any problems with these turnouts operating that wasn't cured by using more voltage. But i also took each one of them apart, to some degree, and cleaned each one before i put it into operation. They are, after all, as old as me and i know how MY parts work these days vs how tehy USED to work! I also adjusted the little sprung "wedge" on each one so it seemed to work "optimally" to me. That means, i struck a balance between having the wedge hold the frog firmly in place vs. allowing the solinoid to easily throw the frog. But, just in case this doesn't work, do the turnout solinoids buzz when you attempt to throw them in the direction they do not work? If not, perhaps there is a break in the wiring. Which version of the turnouts do you have? There are at least two distinct versions of the turnouts. One uses a contact under the frog to transfer rail power, the other uses a dual set of contactors under the unit. In either case, check the play in the overall mechanism. See if it sounds like something is binding when you move the frog by hand. People like to operate these switches by flippping the frogs back and forth by hand, ththis can warp or bend the controling arms. Also, if the turnout was used without a momentary contact switch, then it is possible that the solinoid was given voltage for an extended period of time. Not a good thing for a solinoid, too much heat. Can't think of another reason right now. See if this helps. There are some 24 volt lamps out there for use in these units. That's a good idea, less heat and longer lamp life. Regard'S'. Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37677	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: 965 Reverse loop relay instructions

I now have the instructions sheets for the AF 965 Reverse Loop Relay posted at: http://www.tuveson.com/965reverseLooprelay/965instructions.htm For those who were looking for them. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37678	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 695 Reverse loop relay instructions

Ooops I got my numbers turned around. It's the 695 relay. The link says 965 but it's really the 695. Carl > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Tuveson [mailto:carl@...] > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:15 AM > To: STrains > Subject: 965 Reverse loop relay instructions > > I now have the instructions sheets for the AF 695 Reverse Loop Relay > posted at: > http://www.tuveson.com/965reverseLooprelay/965instructions.htm > > For those who were looking for them. > > Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37679	From: Ironhorse	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: Oil drum loader

It is probably fixable. One of us can probably fix it. If the motor is burnt out it can be rewound. If it is seized up it can be freed up. Roger Mac wrote: > My flyonel oil drum loader has a frozen drive unit. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37680	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: American Flyer Switches

I found using a large capacity Capacitor Discharge system was able to drive any AF switch including driving up to three switches in my yard at the same time will do the trick. My last layout had 100 switches. 97 AF, 2 Gargraves with Del-Aire motors and one AF switch completely cut up with a tortoise under layout switch machine. I drove the 97 AF switches from one CD unit. David Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Host - NASG 2007 Silver Spring, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37681	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Black beetle trucks

Black Beetle Trucks: I used a Black Beetle Truck for my version of a Galloping Goose. I first tried using an AF steamer drive wheel with very little success. The Beetle worked and looked great. David Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Host - NASG 2007 Silver Spring, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37682	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: Black beetle trucks

>Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:47:11 -0600 > From: "jt12313" <jt12313@...> >Subject: Black beetle trucks > >Has anyone used a black beetle S gauge truck on a project? > >Jeff > I put one in a trolley and have been meaning to put some pictures on the web. It fit nicely into the toy trolley. Mine is DC and I have used it with an HO power pack on our club's modules. I plan to try it with an N power pack because it ran pretty fast on the HO one. I will try to get those pictures in the near future. Gregg Mummert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37683	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 24230 PEABODY COAL hopper 1961-64

There are differences in the 2 books...... Example... I just found a 718 Mail Car...... GB sez about 105 in EX in New Haven and no more listings......... Bob lists a scarce varation in his book 718 Mail Car with American Flyer Lines on it at 330.00..... I found one in an Antique shop for Gb price...... Grabbed box and all....Bubecks book seems to be much more informed....... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" <theupstairstrain@...> To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 24230 PEABODY COAL hopper 1961-64 >I am told that Greenberg's lists two versions of the car, both cream >colored, one unpainted with knuckle couplers and the other painted with >Pikemaster, both having the same value. > > My TM Guide on the other hand shows two versions, one cream colored with > knuckle couplers and the other tan with Pikemaster, but it has a footnote > saying to look out for tan cars converted to knuckle. It says the cream > version is so rare that there is no basis for valuation. > > Can anyone shed light on the apparent contradiction? > > I wonder: maybe Greenberg's doesn't list the rare one that TM lists; and > maybe it lists the knuckle conversion that TM includes as a note without > listing it. Could that be the explanation. > > Thanks. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37684	From: David Girson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Restored E-Unit with the help of Portlines

This message will be sophmoric to you vets but to me a breakthrough in beginners restoration. A very big thanks to Doug at Portlines for guiding me through an E- Unit restoration. Following his online instructions and using new boards from Portines, my E-Unit runs like new. For a novice who can solder, act cautiously, and follow instructions, it was not difficult. On a well used engine, if the E-Unit sticks or does nothing, a likely cause is a stuck flap, burned fingers(up to 4)or a dirty drum or all of the above. In 30 minutes an E-unit can be made like new! Thanks to Doug again, David Girson Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37685	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:43:17 -0500, David Avedesian wrote: >I drove the 97 AF switches from one CD unit. Oy! That is quite some proportions. Since I am headed in the direction of designing a CD system, happen to have some details of what you came up with to share? I was planning on a CD board per switch to limit wire distance from the board to the coil, so I am guessing you ran some pretty good wire size. As well, I am pondering using AF controllers to communicate with the board, and let the simple 1940's design for control panel switch position indication continue onward into the future a bit longer. Anyway, details to add to my think tank much appreciated! Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37686	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches

What size capacitor? Can you tell me how to hook it up? Tanks. Bob David Avedesian <david.avedesian@...> wrote: I found using a large capacity Capacitor Discharge system was able to drive any AF switch including driving up to three switches in my yard at the same time will do the trick. My last layout had 100 switches. 97 AF, 2 Gargraves with Del-Aire motors and one AF switch completely cut up with a tortoise under layout switch machine. I drove the 97 AF switches from one CD unit. David Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Host - NASG 2007 Silver Spring, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37687	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Switches

Comment on switches: I have American Models track and switches in my garage layout. The switches have a couple of problems. 1. The humidity has corroded them quite severely. 2. The frog has too wide of a non electrified gap. When I first installed them I could not get modern AF Diesels to go through the switches. I finally took the engines apart and moved the pickup wheels as far apart as I could so there would be a wider gap between the wheels and pickup slider. This solved the problem but the engines took some damage when I removed the wheels. I give the AM switches a "D" rating. I am using SHS switches and track on my temporary Xmas layout. I did have problems on the curves with my AF Xmas engine. The joint between a couple of the sections would catch the wheel flange and derail the engine. I had to bend the rails a tad to fix the problem. No problems with the switches. My old AF switches work quite well but they do age. If the throws start sticking do not clean and oil. Take them apart, clean them then use graphite to lubricant them. GarGraves Switches: There are old ones and new ones. I have several of the older style in the garage that I layed down then pulled out. I was not able to get all my different types of rolling stock and engines to reliably transverse them. I have no experience with the newer ones. If you are going to run a real mix of scale, AF, SHS, AM equipment mixed on the layout go with SHS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37688	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 965 Reverse loop quick follow up ?... good 4 your train diet

S-Gaugers, I know that like an apple a day like fiber is good for your diet, but what about using fiber pins in these reverse loops. I was just wondering if in the last forty years a better pin solution or material was found, or if the Gilbert supplied fiber pins are still the best answer for isolating track sections required in these loops? My past experience with pins has been that they break easily - at least the originals. I also assume fiber pins are still available from the vendors. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks, Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37689	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Switches

I know Gargraves is still making switches because I had ordered some and had to wait while they produced their improved design. I saw warnings on the label when I got them saying AF rolling stock tends to have wheels that are out of gauge, and that may cause derailing through these switches. The new design has a die cast switch point (frog) which I assume will fix the problem with AF/Lionel diesels with pick-up shoes causing problems, but as for my experience, the Gargraves new switches seem to be okay... I am still testing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37690	From: trainnut1627	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Reverse Loops in Flyer AC operation

My Thanks to Carl and CHuck who have both either posted or sent me copies of the AF instructions for Reverse Loop Relay wiring. I now have an idea of how to approach my problem. I'll update this thread when I finally get it running. John Hodges

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37691	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: 965 Reverse loop quick follow up ?... good 4 your train diet...

Scott, I use flat wooden toothpicks in place of fiber pins. Cut off and throw away the half with the thin end. The thick ends are just the right size, don't break and should last a long time. Just make sure the rail sections don't touch. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > > S-Gaugers, > > I know that like an apple a day like fiber is good for your diet, but > what about using fiber pins in these reverse loops. > > I was just wondering if in the last forty years a better pin solution or > material was found, or if the Gilbert supplied fiber pins are still the > best answer for isolating track sections required in these loops? My > past experience with pins has been that they break easily - at least the > originals. > > I also assume fiber pins are still available from the vendors. > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Scott Dee >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37692	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches

Michael: I placed the CD unit between the transformer and the bus bar that supplied power to the black and yellow wires. I then would run through the switch controller to the AF switch. Black, Red and Green wire to the AF switch. You can not have the red and green bulbs powered. They will drain the CD unit. I cut up small pieces of cardboard and place them between the bulb and the socket. At first, I just slightly unscrewed the bulbs, but good intended operators would screw the bulbs in and my system would not work. Isolating the bulbs with the cardboard worked great. The second item was to run a separate power feed to the yellow post for the lights on the switch. I used a common yellow wire system to a separate transformer to light up the switch lights. I was able to lower the voltage and the lights never went out. If you have any questions, feel free to em me. David Baltimore Area American Flyer Club Host - NASG Silver Spring, MD -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lueck [mailto:pianoman@...] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:19 PM To: David Avedesian; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer Switches On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:43:17 -0500, David Avedesian wrote: >I drove the 97 AF switches from one CD unit. Oy! That is quite some proportions. Since I am headed in the direction of designing a CD system, happen to have some details of what you came up with to share? I was planning on a CD board per switch to limit wire distance from the board to the coil, so I am guessing you ran some pretty good wire size. As well, I am pondering using AF controllers to communicate with the board, and let the simple 1940's design for control panel switch position indication continue onward into the future a bit longer. Anyway, details to add to my think tank much appreciated! Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37693	From: keefer1	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: BIG trackplans

Anyone have any great floor layout plans? I have about 20 x 40 in my grand daughters school library to fill up. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37694	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Loose wheel rims

The insulated spacer on the drive wheels went through many changes. The earileist one was just the flanged rim. Later the rim had a ridge molded in it that fit a groove machined into the inside of the metal tire. In all cases, the metal center of the wheel is made with a slight taper on the rim, so that it is smaller in diameter on the inside compared to the outside. During assembly, the insulator was placed inside the metal tire (in th ecase of the gooved version, it "snapped" in a bit. The rim center was then pressed into the assembly from the "outside." The backside of the rim center was then swaged near its edge in about 8 places with a tool that leaves a ring of dash-like indentations around the edge. The early plastic rims shrank quickly, which allowed the rims to become loose. The later design with the rib would prevent loose rims from moving in, and shorting the loco (by touching the chassis). The later rims shrink much slower, which explains the increasing number of loose rims showing up on the later locomotives. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37695	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer Switches

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:11:25 -0500, David Avedesian wrote: >I placed the CD unit in other words you purchased or built one? I planned on having some additional electronics involved other than the cap and SCR such that the AF controllers are separated from the cap side of the circuit... thus a custom CD system, and hoped yours was as well and you might know the details of the schematic and components. Yes, likewise to have separate (maybe same as the controllers) power for the switch lights, and possibly support turning them on/off. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37697	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: CD Unit

Robert: I don't know how big the CD unit is. I got mine to work by trial and error. I made my first one from one of the 'Electronics made easy for Model RR'ing' book. I found the unit did work as intended but did not have enough stored energy in the CD unit. My next move was to wire more capacitors in parallel. This worked fine. One day I was at an auto flea market and saw a capacitor the size of a small soup can. I got it. Now when I fire the CD unit off it makes the switches stand at attention and say "Sir, Yes Sir'. That it is my kind of project story ending. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37698	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: FIBER TRACK PINS

FIBER TRACK PINS: The old term, use insulating pins made by gar- graves or k-line, they are some type of plastic, work excellent. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37699	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: UP Mikado

Holiday greetings to all! Hoping someone can offer a suggestion: My new UP Flyonel Mikado arrived without a lens for the tender rear light. I asked Lionel to send me a replacement. What they set was the entire rear light, this one of course has the lens. My question: Has anyone had a similar situation, and if so, how have you fixed it? I thought I would as the group before I launch into a deconstruction of the engine. Thanks for any help :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37700	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: UP Mikado

Roy, Mine also popped out but was still in the box. It looks like if you took a new #11 Exacto knife you could pop the lens out of the new light and press in back into the original. I think it is just a friction fit. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:33 PM To: S-trains Subject: [S-Trains] UP Mikado Holiday greetings to all! Hoping someone can offer a suggestion: My new UP Flyonel Mikado arrived without a lens for the tender rear light. I asked Lionel to send me a replacement. What they set was the entire rear light, this one of course has the lens. My question: Has anyone had a similar situation, and if so, how have you fixed it? I thought I would as the group before I launch into a deconstruction of the engine. Thanks for any help :) Roy Inman www.unionstationphotos.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37701	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Switches

Group I am mostly a Hi Railer and have thus tried both AF and Gargraves track and switches but have found Tom's turnouts to be the best and most prototypical switches/turnouts and crossovers available on the market today. They have the flexibility to accept BOTH scale and hi-rail cars and locomotives(INCLUDING ALL FLYER), are extremely well made right here in the U.S. and have a number of compatible turnout and crossover angle options including #4s, #6s and soon #8s! All are AM and SHS track compatible and are very reasonably priced. Just look at these beauties at http://s-scale.org/albums/albun00 Additionally, Tom Stoltz, the owner is always open to new turnout and trackwork configurations. I have no personal interest in Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork other than to pass on my own very positive experience. Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37702	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Pics from Our 4 Day Supermarket Layout

These pics (link below) are from our Saturday Dec 3d outing. The young fellow with his dad is Jarred, he is four and was with us every day we were there. On Day 2 his mom (who would not step in front of the camera) went to the Hardware Store next door to us, bought an HO set, took it home, got her dad, Pic 12, to help staple on the grass paper, set the tree up and had it all running when her husband came home Friday evening. Lots of our visitors were with us multiple days, often with different groups each time. You will note we had pushbuttons labelled for use and used they were. We let Fred C have the whistle button (pic 13) when kids wanted to blow the whistle, they moved Fred. We did NOT get pics of the 4 yr old Amish lad running the passsenger train and stopping at the station and looking for emerging passengers. Priceless. We ran Flyer, S-Helper, A-M and Wardie-Jay. The accessories are Flyer, Lionel, K-Line and MARX. Buildings are Plasticville. Vehicles are Plasticville, Renwal, MARX and unknown. People are Plasticville, some altered for our use. The "crew" spent more than one cold afternoon or evening in my cold barn getting this layout ready to go. Planning now to replace the layout with a bigger layout. Jim "building on the Keystone Main" Lyle _http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?includeReceivedAlbums=true&albumId=649 42.1766.1134333386652.3_ (http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?includeReceivedAlbums=true&albumId=64942.1766.1134333386652.3) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37703	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Switches

Group, I personally have been replacing my AM switches in favor of turnouts and crossovers from Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork. They are .148 sized, available in both brass and nickel and are compatible with both SHS, AM flex track. Best of all, they are quite reliable and very prototypical looking. See my other post. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37704	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/11/2005, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Sunday December 11, 2005 8:00 pm - 8:00 pm This event repeats every week. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: Sunday Chat http://s-scale.org/forum/index.php ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2005  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37705	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: BIG trackplans

Well, first get lots of S-Trax and then lay a FOUR track main line. The rest will fall into place. Jim "we'd love that kinda space" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37706	From: John Foley	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: World's Greast Hobby Shows

Hi Folks The Houston S Gaugers with be setup with their layout at the WGH show on January 7 & 8, 2006 - George R. Brown Center, Houston, TX Scale Layout. The Potomac Valley S Gaugers, the Old Dominion Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers and the Baltimore Area AF will be set up at the WGH show on February 11 & 12, 2006 - Dulles Expo Center, Chantilly, VA. Three layouts, Scale, Hi-Rail & AF. will be represented. For full information on these shows go to http://www.wghshow.com/index.htm For you Manufacturers feel free to send literature to the above Clubs. For addresses to send literature go to http://www.nasg.org/sclubinfo.htm Please send an email directly to me if you have trouble finding on address. John Foley NASG Promotions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37707	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: UP Mikado

Ah, thanks Carl. I will try that method. Mine may have been somewhere in the box, but I sure could not find it. I wonder if the heating and cooling the engines probably experienced on the water, sitting on ship at dock for days or weeks, had something to do with the "pop out."? Cheers :) Roy > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Reply-To: carl@... > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:24:05 -0500 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] UP Mikado > > Roy, > > Mine also popped out but was still in the box. It looks like if you took a > new #11 Exacto knife you could pop the lens out of the new light and press > in back into the original. I think it is just a friction fit. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Roy Inman > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:33 PM > To: S-trains > Subject: [S-Trains] UP Mikado > > > Holiday greetings to all! > Hoping someone can offer a suggestion: > My new UP Flyonel Mikado arrived without a lens for the tender rear light. I > asked Lionel to send me a replacement. What they set was the entire rear > light, this one of course has the lens. My question: Has anyone had a > similar situation, and if so, how have you fixed it? I thought I would as > the group before I launch into a deconstruction of the engine. > Thanks for any help :) > Roy Inman > www.unionstationphotos.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37708	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Anything train shows in Madison WI or nearby next weekend or week f

Group, I'll be visiting my Daughter and Son and their families next weekend and the following week. Any model RR shows scheduled for next weekend and the following week? Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37709	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: World's Greast Hobby Shows

Dear John, We also plan on bringing our SHS display layout and have a selling booth at the WGH show in Chantilly, VA. Don John Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > The Houston S Gaugers with be setup with their layout at the WGH show on >January 7 & 8, 2006 - George R. Brown Center, Houston, TX Scale Layout. > > The Potomac Valley S Gaugers, the Old Dominion Division of the >Atlantic Coast S Gaugers and the Baltimore Area AF will be set up at the WGH show >on February 11 & 12, 2006 - Dulles Expo Center, Chantilly, VA. Three layouts, >Scale, Hi-Rail & AF. will be represented. > >For full information on these shows go to http://www.wghshow.com/index.htm > >For you Manufacturers feel free to send literature to the above Clubs. > >For addresses to send literature go to http://www.nasg.org/sclubinfo.htm > >Please send an email directly to me if you have trouble finding >on address. > >John Foley >NASG Promotions > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37710	From: John Foley	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows

Perfect. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <don@...> To: "John Foley" <mr-s1@...> Cc: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S/Sn3 Modeling Guide" <editor@...>; "Des Plaines" <dphobbies@...>; "John & Robin AF Trains" <afstrains@...>; "John Verser- PacRail" <pacrail@...>; "Kaslo Shops" <jwhitmore@...>; "PA Heritage Models Tom" <Tom@...>; "S Gaugain" <heimbrgrhouse@...>; "Tomalco" <Lmorton@...>; "SSL&S" <s-scaleloco@...>; "Shiloh Signals" <shilohsig@...>; "Heimburger House" <info@...>; "River Raisin Models" <raisinone@...>; "Putt Trains" <puttrain@...>; "Pine Canyon Scale Models" <pinecanyon@...>; "Overland Models" <info@...>; "M.L.W. Services" <maletta@...>; "Pennsy-S- Models" <info@...>; "Portlines" <doug@...>; "Pre-size" <info@...>; "Railmaster Exports" <john@...>; "Rio Grande Models" <RGModels@...>; "RSSVP" <jerry@...>; "Sergent Engineering" <info@...>; "S-n-S Trains" <Boss31@...>; "Standard Castings" <info@...>; "Surrey Custom Models" <info@...>; "Trainstuff LLC" <help_desk@...>; "Ye Olde Huff 'n Puff" <info@...>; "Joe Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...>; "Lionel" <C.orchard@...>; "NASG Members Group" <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 22:06 Subject: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows > Dear John, > We also plan on bringing our SHS display layout and have a selling > booth at the WGH show in Chantilly, VA. > Don > > John Foley wrote: > > >Hi Folks > > The Houston S Gaugers with be setup with their layout at the WGH show on > >January 7 & 8, 2006 - George R. Brown Center, Houston, TX Scale Layout. > > > > The Potomac Valley S Gaugers, the Old Dominion Division of the > >Atlantic Coast S Gaugers and the Baltimore Area AF will be set up at the WGH show > >on February 11 & 12, 2006 - Dulles Expo Center, Chantilly, VA. Three layouts, > >Scale, Hi-Rail & AF. will be represented. > > > >For full information on these shows go to http://www.wghshow.com/index.htm > > > >For you Manufacturers feel free to send literature to the above Clubs. > > > >For addresses to send literature go to http://www.nasg.org/sclubinfo.htm > > > >Please send an email directly to me if you have trouble finding > >on address. > > > >John Foley > >NASG Promotions > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >Enjoy thousands of great photos > >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37711	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Black beetle truck

Who sells these trucks? I've heard nothing but good things about them, and I've been meaning to try one as as drive for...oh, something.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37712	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Black beetle truck

PA Heritage Models is the distributer/dealer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37713	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows

And on your way south, stop by Union Station Kansas City, second largest rail terminal in America, visit with the KC S Gaugers, check out the new rail museum, and enjoy our bevy of layouts in scales from N to G. And bring plenty to sell. To entice you, please check out some of the Union Station photos on my web site www.unionstationphotos.com Happy holidays :) Roy Inman > From: Bob Werre <bob@...> > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:41:21 -0600 > To: Don Thompson <don@...> > Cc: John Foley <mr-s1@...>, S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, > S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S/Sn3 Modeling Guide > <editor@...>, Des Plaines <dphobbies@...>, John > Verser- PacRail <pacrail@...>, Tomalco <Lmorton@...>, > Heimburger House <info@...>, River Raisin Models > <raisinone@...>, "M.L.W. Services" <maletta@...>, Pennsy-S- > Models <info@...>, Lionel <C.orchard@...>, NASG Members > Group <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows > > Heck Don, why don't you come to Houston, enjoy some warmer weather, > some friends, and sell some trains! > > bob werre > > Don Thompson wrote: > >> Dear John, >> We also plan on bringing our SHS display layout and have a selling >> booth at the WGH show in Chantilly, VA. >> Don >> >> John Foley wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Folks >>> The Houston S Gaugers with be setup with their layout > at the WGH show on >>> January 7 & 8, 2006 - George R. Brown Center, Houston, TX Scale Layout. >>> >>> The Potomac Valley S Gaugers, the Old Dominion > Division of the >>> Atlantic Coast S Gaugers and the Baltimore Area AF will be set up at > the WGH show >>> on February 11 & 12, 2006 - Dulles Expo Center, Chantilly, VA. Three > layouts, >>> Scale, Hi-Rail & AF. will be represented. >>> >>> For full information on these shows go to > http://www.wghshow.com/index.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37714	From: Don Pleu	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling Re: [S-Trains] World's Greast Hobby Shows

Bob, Maybe he took our motto, "Don't Mess with Texas" too literally! Don Pleu Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote: Heck Don, why don't you come to Houston, enjoy some warmer weather, some friends, and sell some trains! bob werre Don Thompson wrote: >Dear John, > We also plan on bringing our SHS display layout and have a selling >booth at the WGH show in Chantilly, VA. >Don > >John Foley wrote: > > > >>Hi Folks >> The Houston S Gaugers with be setup with their layout at the WGH show on >>January 7 & 8, 2006 - George R. Brown Center, Houston, TX Scale Layout. >> >> The Potomac Valley S Gaugers, the Old Dominion Division of the >>Atlantic Coast S Gaugers and the Baltimore Area AF will be set up at the WGH show >>on February 11 & 12, 2006 - Dulles Expo Center, Chantilly, VA. Three layouts, >>Scale, Hi-Rail & AF. will be represented. >> >>For full information on these shows go to http://www.wghshow.com/index.htm >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37715	From: Glenn Allen	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Christmas Greetings

Christmas Greetings Wishing you all a merry Christmas and a nor so serious new year. http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glenn_rhb/album?.dir=/2c6c&.src=ph&.tok=phDtEFEBgq3YagbQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37716	From: mott472000	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Chrome Passinger Cars

What can you use to clean or polish the chrome? Mine have like a white film on them. They still have over 90% of the chrome and only have small spots that have turned black. When I purchased them 20 years ago the Charlie told me what to clean them with. But I have forgotten.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37717	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Tampa Train Show this Coming Weekend

There will be plenty of American Flyer trains for sale at the Tampa Fairgrounds this weekend. Saturday 9am to 5pm. Sunday 10am to 3pm. Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37718	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: CD Unit

Howdy Gents, There is a web page with a lot of handy circuits: http://www.awrr.com/ I have found several circuits there that were helpful, including a CD unit. Of course a Circuitron Snapper will work as well if you can find one. They show up on eBay or in some hobby shops. Good Luck, Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > Robert: > > I don't know how big the CD unit is. > > I got mine to work by trial and error. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37719	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/14/2005, 8:00 pm

Reminder from the Calendar of S-Trains Sunday Chat Wednesday December 14, 2005 8:00 pm - 9:30 pm This event repeats every week. The next reminder for this event will be sent in 1 day, 23 hours, 4 minutes. Event Location: http://s-scale.org/forum/ Notes: This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST ADVERTISEMENT Copyright ©  2005  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37720	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2879

In a message dated 12/13/2005 8:36:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 6 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: wpporter@... Subject: Re: CD Unit Howdy Gents, There is a web page with a lot of handy circuits: http://www.awrr.com/ I have found several circuits there that were helpful, including a CD unit. Of course a Circuitron Snapper will work as well if you can find one. They show up on eBay or in some hobby shops. Good Luck, Bill -- Bill Porter Does anybody out there know of a similar website for old AC help? Just asking, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37721	From: va3etr	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Passenger car lighting - Info found

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@g...> wrote: > > Years ago, sometime in the '90s, I saw an article in MR for a rechargeable > battery system. here's a site with maybe exactly what you're looking for: http://www.awrr.com/lighting.html http://www.awrr.com for other projects. Ken

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37722	From: John Foley	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: NASG Josh Seltzer Website Award

Hi Folks Votes are coming in. You can still put your website in the running for the 2006 JSWA Go here for code. http://s-scale.org/wasgate/Josh_Seltzer_Award.html and paste it on your S site. Also for the folks who have it on their site make sure it has my new email address from the new code. I promise not to change my email address again. Thanks John Foley NASG Promotions. P.S. Don't forget the site can be a individuals, club or manufacturers site. Two Winners so far, 2004 Craig O'Connell Site http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/sscale.html 2005 SHS http://www.showcaseline.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37723	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2879

Hey Carlton, Many of the circuits on that set of pages and the ones to which it links are suitable for use with AC powered trains. You will need to look at them and puzzle them out or ask some of the rest of us on the list. Some guidelines that might be helpful are: If the inputs are the rails and either AC, DCC or "either polarity" is specified, then it will likely work for AC trains. For instance, the link to the "flicker-free" and constant brightness lights shows that the inputs to the bridge is an AC signal from either rail. Most of these electronics projects are identified as "simple" even though they may seem anything but. The key to understanding them has two parts. First, we need a little confidence and second, we need some patience. With a little study, a few questions to our colleagues and a little practice, these electronics can add a ton 'o fun to the hobby. I know some folks give up on electronics when they worry that someone else will not want to keep answering questions and explaining. I look at it as if this cussing and discussing is part of the hobby and a major benefit of this forum. Hang in there until you get your answer or your own blood pressure tells you to stop. If you have a question, ask us. We will all learn something. Merry Christmas, Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida > There is a web page with a lot of handy circuits: http://www.awrr.com/ > > Does anybody out there know of a similar website for old AC help? Just > asking, > > > Carlton > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37724	From: muniman18	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: dumb question # 5 and #6

evening i have a 325ac need help will not move foward or backward the headlight doesn't go on lots of bguzzing in tender tracks are clean etc any ideas also my 310 has a round hole in tender what's that all abt as always thanking you in advance mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37725	From: James	Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Digest Post, Re: 37264

Hi! All. From our family to all have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Received! Yesterday! The Naughty and Nice Car(s) 6-48623. Thank You! For all the information and help in finding it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37726	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: 2025 Thanks You

Greetings! Many thanks for all the input in getting this engine running. Your help is very much appreciated and I know the "children" will enjoy the Christmas addition. One more question .... The lampholder on the boiler front is missing an arm. I made an arm to get the headlight working, but is a temporary fix. What is the part number and where might I go to secure one? Again, our thanks and best wishes! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37727	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: dumb question # 5 and #6

MIke, Sounds like you have a reverse unit problem. Refer to the FAQs on the S-trains site for instructions! The hole in the tender top of your 310 is for a smoke unit fill pipe whcih the 312 loco had, but the 310 didn't. This is normal, no action is required on your part :). Hopefully you will have great sucess in fixing the reverse unit, and can run your trains for Chrsitmas! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37728	From: trainman634	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: No Smoke Fluid

Is it safe to run my American Flyer smoking steam engines without smoke fluid? Sometimes one of my engines will run out of fluid when I am operating it. Should I stop it right away and refill it or is it ok to run it without smoke fluid? Am I doing it any harm operating it without smoke fluid?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37729	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: No Smoke Fluid

In a message dated 12/14/2005 11:59:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, wes4260@... writes: Is it safe to run my American Flyer smoking steam engines without smoke fluid? Sometimes one of my engines will run out of fluid when I am operating it. Should I stop it right away and refill it or is it ok to run it without smoke fluid? Am I doing it any harm operating it without smoke fluid? It is best to keep smoke fluid in the smoke box when operating the loco. The fluid and the nichrome wire heating element interact in that the wire heats the smoke fluid to a point of smoldering (thus the smoke) and the fluid in doing so has a cooling effect on the wire to keep it from getting TOO hot. If you run it too much without fluid, the wire has a tendency to burn the wicking material and cause it's wicking effect to diminish.. The wire often overheats and burns itself into oblivion as well. Steve Blackburn SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37730	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Product announcement -- Baldwin Westinghouse Class B Steeple Cabs i

Good Morning: Merle Rice of Model RR Warehouse (http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/index.html) has requested I create and post this e-mail. Baldwin Westinghouse Class B Steeplecab kits in S Scale are being etched right now! Get your orders in! (Also O Scale.) The price is $129.95 each. This kit consists of the frame, short hoods, cab walls, and roof. It does not include mechanism, handrails, headlights, trucks, trolley poles, pantographs, etc. Just the bare shell. I have ordered 7. Merle is taking orders for other S Scale kits as well. SHIPPING charge in US for single kit $10. For 11x17 brick sheets mailed in tube $5 priority mail per order. #64-100 Baldwin Class B Steeple Cab body $129.95 brass body kit less power, bells, lights, poles, and other detail parts. #64-102 Baldwin Class D Steeple Cab body $_TBD Same as before. #64-104 Baldwin Class E Steeple Cab body $_TBD Same as before. For CSS&SB and IC #64-72 Illinois Terminal Class B motor body $_TBD Same as before. #64-358 Brill 55 Motorcar body $_TBD Same as before. TBA PRICES depend on number of orders for first run. The D could be as reasonable as the B with enough orders or as high as $175.00. The Illinois Terminal and the Brill will be a bit more because of the roofs. MRRW's target for all of these is "under $150" More information on the steeplecabs can be found at http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/MRW-Made/steeple.htm. Ignore the fact that this documentation is for the HO version. The instructions are the same. MRRW is only etching as many steeplecabs as they have orders for. But don't worry. If you miss the deadline for the first order, he only needs orders for 3 or 4 before he does another run. Plus he can mix and match S and O to get the 3 or 4. But not getting in on the first order raises the price as the pattern work, much more than the brass, determines the price. ____________________________________________________________ Merle also asked me to mention their other S Scale products. http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/MRW-Made/Structures.htm lists his S Gauge brick, Tichy windows and doors (in S). Brick sheet 7 colors, vert or horiz $5.00 Insulrick 2 colors horiz, $5.00 INSULRICK was the imitation brick asphalt siding applied to many buildings pre WWII. "Black Mortar" and "cheap colors" A brick sample is free with an order, for $1.00, or send an SSAE. ___________________________________________________________ Model Railroad Warehouse also did the Kitchen Car that was released a few months ago. They still have some left. http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/Large%20Scale.htm. To order: Use the website to determine the part number. Because this is S and not HO, then either e-mail or call 1-800-672-8762 weekdays between 8 AM and 5 PM EST for reservations/orders only. Barbara has NO knowledge of trains, so please refer all questions to Merle <mailto:sales@...> by email or mail. (NE Indiana does not observe Daylight Savings time) __________________________________________________________ Currently I have orders in for 7 B, 4 D, and one IT B! The first order of Bs should arrive at MRRW just after Christmas. Baldwin-Westinghouse locomotives in use TODAY in Iowa ----------------------------------------------------- Iowa Traction Railroad 50 Class B Iowa Traction Railroad 51 Class B Iowa Traction Railroad 54 Class B Iowa Traction Railroad 60 Class C As there were only two Class C locomotives ever build and both ended up on this line in Iowa, I plan to use a Class D as my substitute. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37731	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Wanted - Knuckle conversion couplers

HELP - I need 3 or 4 pair of conversion couplers, anyone that can help please contact me off line. Thanks Jerry Matsick The S Gauger who was converted From the 3 Rail O Stuff!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37732	From: keefer1	Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: gilbert guru

Looking for Fred or Leonard, please contact me off list. Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37733	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Request for Knuckle Couplers - Great Response

Special thanks to you our S-Train family, my request had overwhelming response and I have been taken care of. THANK YOU to each one that did respond, and SPECIAL THANKS to Eric Reis. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37734	From: Art Shifrin	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: serious misrepresentations oin ebay 6022378877

Hi Gang, For those of you who are interested in AF's 3/16s O (and those who you know) beware of eBay item 6022378877. The seller describes the set as original and that the engine has not been touched up. This is incorrect. The 570 Hudson was never packaged with diecast cars. Such sets, when including Hudsons had the spur or 531 worm versions. The "570" under the cab window that's shown in close-up cannot possibly be original because it's white, not silver. Also, the 0 is lower than the 5 & 7 in a manner that is inconsistent with slippage that could occur in a stamped 3 digit number. If the number on the cab is not original, then the integrity of the engine's paint is also suspect. The caboose, gondola and tender seem to be superb specimens. The wrecker's desirable even though the paint on the chassis is peeling because the boom, cab & roof seem to be in especially nice condition. Note that when determining originality of this (or the 481) wrecker, the pulley at the tip of the boom should be brass and not silver colored. BTW Lionel p/n 6-00-0242-206 is a rubber tire that perfectly replaces the original ones used on the 531 and 559. Best, Art (Shiffy) Shifrin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37735	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: SHS AF comp. LocoMatic sound 2-8-0

The first shipment arrived yesterday and we have started to ship. If you have pre-ordered a AF comp. LocoMatic sound 2-8-0 from us and have not heard from us in the past three weeks, please send me e-mail. The DC no sound version and the code 110 2-8-0 are in production now and will be shipped to us in 2006. Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37736	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Window paper for 650 etc.

I'm sure this has been discussed at some time before, but does anyone know a good substitute paper I can buy locally (and the best way to attach it) that can be used for the 650, etc. passenger cars that had the opaque paper inside. Also, does anyone know who may make or sell silhouette inserts that will work in these cars even though they never had them?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37737	From: dphobbies	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Microscale S Scale Decals Sold

For Imediate Release I am very pleased to announce that Des Plaines Hobbies/ S Scale America has purchased Microscale Industries S Scale decal inventory and it is now in Des Plaines, IL. It will be combined with Des Plaines existing decal line. Micro Scale has agreed to print new decals for Des Plaines so there will be all new decals produced to enlarge the line. Significant to the purchase will be price reductions to the Microscale portions to the line. For those users of decals we solicit meaningful input on wew sets that you wish to be produced. For further information, please contact: Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax:1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37738	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: American Models couplers

I bought a GG-1 passenger set from American Models back when they first came out and never used it. This year I was going to use it as one of the two trains running under the Christmas tree. The cars are constantly coming uncoupled. When I put other cars (both old AF and new Flyonel) on the same track, I only have an occassional problem with a couple specific Flyonel cars. Is this something that is a common problem with the AM couplers or just these older ones. Or is there some way to adjust or replace the AM couplers so they stay coupled?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37739	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: serious misrepresentations oin ebay 6022378877

To quote a member of Lionel...... ( LD ).... When I showed him something wrongly numbered he said " ITS DEFINETALY A FAKE AS LIONEL NEVER MADE MISTAKES!!!! "...... The TCA committee said they felt it was qriginal...... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] serious misrepresentations oin ebay 6022378877 > Hi Gang, > > For those of you who are interested in AF's 3/16s O (and those who you > know) > beware of eBay item 6022378877. The seller describes the set as original > and that the engine has not been touched up. This is incorrect. The 570 > Hudson was never packaged with diecast cars. Such sets, when including > Hudsons had the spur or 531 worm versions. The "570" under the cab window > that's shown in close-up cannot possibly be original because it's white, > not > silver. Also, the 0 is lower than the 5 & 7 in a manner that is > inconsistent with slippage that could occur in a stamped 3 digit number. > If > the number on the cab is not original, then the integrity of the engine's > paint is also suspect. > > The caboose, gondola and tender seem to be superb specimens. The > wrecker's > desirable even though the paint on the chassis is peeling because the > boom, > cab & roof seem to be in especially nice condition. Note that when > determining originality > of this (or the 481) wrecker, the pulley at the tip of the boom should be > brass and not silver colored. > > BTW Lionel p/n 6-00-0242-206 is a rubber tire that perfectly replaces the > original ones used on the 531 and 559. > > Best, > Art (Shiffy) Shifrin > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37740	From: Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Fw: Microscale Sells S Scale Decals

This should make you all happy. Tom Stolte ----- Original Message ----- From: "dphobbies" <dphobbies@...> To: <rr-decal@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Microscale Sells S Scale Decals For Imediate Release I am very pleased to report that Des Plaines Hobbies/ S Scale America has purchased Microscale Industries S Scale decal inventory and it is now in Des Plaines, IL. It will be combined with Des Plaines existing decal line. Micro Scale has agreed to print new decals for Des Plaines so there will be all new decals produced to enlarge the line. Significant to the purchase will be price reductions to the Microscale portions to the line. For those users of decals we solicit meaningful input on new sets that you wish to be produced. For further information, please contact: Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax:1-847-297-4976

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37741	From: TWYLA STARR	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: A.F. 343 0-8-0 parts

Greetings, I am in need of a boiler front with lens and headlight bracket, a steamchest and a knuckle coupler type pilot for a 343, If anyone has one for sale or trade, Please let me know, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37742	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: American Models couplers

Go to the AM web site and see the recommendation, which is to bend the uncoupling actuator up a little to clear switch frogs. Make sure the actuating tab hangs a little above the rail tops when coupled. The plastic has a little memory so the fix should Last a fairly long time. If you accidentally break off the tab don't worry, it should still stay coupled once you close it. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Petrella" <rogerpjr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models couplers > I bought a GG-1 passenger set from American Models back when they > first came out and never used it. This year I was going to use it as > one of the two trains running under the Christmas tree. The cars are > constantly coming uncoupled. When I put other cars (both old AF and > new Flyonel) on the same track, I only have an occassional problem > with a couple specific Flyonel cars. > > Is this something that is a common problem with the AM couplers or > just these older ones. Or is there some way to adjust or replace the > AM couplers so they stay coupled? > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37743	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Window paper for 650 etc.

I use any variety of 20# bond or photocopy paper.paper. Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Petrella" <rogerpjr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Window paper for 650 etc. > I'm sure this has been discussed at some time before, but does anyone > know a good substitute paper I can buy locally (and the best way to > attach it) that can be used for the 650, etc. passenger cars that had > the opaque paper inside. > > Also, does anyone know who may make or sell silhouette inserts that > will work in these cars even though they never had them? > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37744	From: Jim Kelly	Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Need 2 In 1 Whistle Controller and Hook Up Info

I need a 2 in 1 whistling billboard control button and information on how to wire it to the billboard/transformer. Please contact me off list if you have a button to sell. Thanks, Jim Kelly (kk3k@...) Jim Kelly, ARS KK3K, TCA 99-49842 TINPLATE TIMES http://www.tinplatetimes.com STANDARD GAUGE LIST http://groups.yahoo.com/group/standg Personal Homepage: http://mysite.verizon.net/skeptic491 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37745	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Lanes Trains Website update

Hi All, I have just completed a major rebuild of my Lanes Trains website. Most of the old photos have been replaced. I have added at least 150 new photos of models I have painted, and also what has been made in S Scale. Please give it a look. I have about 40 hours in the update. Please note that I do not know how to do websites with hot linked photos yet. My website is done in WORD. Click on the link below the photos and that will take you to another page. Happy Holidays! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37746	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Window paper

Roger Petrella asked, I'm sure this has been discussed at some time before, but does anyone know a good substitute paper I can buy locally (and the best way to attach it) that can be used for the 650, etc. passenger cars that had the opaque paper inside? >>> Roger, as a printer, I've had access to a paper called Unity DP, made by Hammermill Paper Co. It is a 100% recycled-content sheet of 20# bond. It evidently has no bleaches, and the color is what I would call a dirty white. Standard white bond (copy paper) is too bright, and gray bond is too dark. The opacity of the paper is just right, letting the proper amount of diffused light to shine through. I put it in my restored 600-series passenger cars. Now, the bad news. Hammermill discontinued the sheet, and I don't know if you could find it anywhere. However, there is an alternative: take your standard white bond and soak it in a weak solution of tea. You can control the density of the "dye" by experimenting with the length of time left in the tea. Make sure you spread the wet paper flat so that you don't get wrinkles when drying. That should reduce the brightness of the white bond. As far as affixing the paper inside the car: I merely cut it to size (lengthwise) and placed the edges against the floor, while rolling the paper up around the inside top of the car. Stays put and looks fine. Silhouette strips can be purchased from any of our more prominent S-gauge dealers. They're a common item. Hope this helps. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, home of the BSU Broncos! (MPC Computers Bowl, ESPN, Wednesday, Dec. 28, 4:30 p.m. Eastern)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37747	From: muniman18	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: dumb questions 6&7

OK GUY'S HERE WE GO AGAIN THX FOR YOUR PATIENCE... I HAVE TO CLEAN A COUPLE OF MY REVERSE UNITS I JUST DON'T WANT TO OPENB THE TENDER AND SPRAY TUNER CLEANER ALL OVER THE PLACE SO......QUESTION 6 WHAT SHOULD I SPRAY? QUESTION 7 IS THERE A DRAWING WHERE I CAN SEE WHAT THE HECK ITS ALL ABT SHOW ME ONCE BUT SHOW ME IS MY PROBLEM AGAIN THX MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37748	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Re: dumb questions 6&7

Hey Mike, Try this site , it should havs most of the answers you need........ http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm Vin muniman18 <muniman18@...> wrote: OK GUY'S HERE WE GO AGAIN THX FOR YOUR PATIENCE... I HAVE TO CLEAN A COUPLE OF MY REVERSE UNITS I JUST DON'T WANT TO OPENB THE TENDER AND SPRAY TUNER CLEANER ALL OVER THE PLACE SO......QUESTION 6 WHAT SHOULD I SPRAY? QUESTION 7 IS THERE A DRAWING WHERE I CAN SEE WHAT THE HECK ITS ALL ABT SHOW ME ONCE BUT SHOW ME IS MY PROBLEM AGAIN THX MIKE S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Vin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37749	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/16/2005
Subject: Re: dumb questions 6&7

muniman18 <muniman18@...> wrote: I HAVE TO CLEAN A COUPLE OF MY REVERSE UNITS ...SO......QUESTION 6 WHAT SHOULD I SPRAY? Spray all the contacts on the reverse unit drum. The drum rotates different configurations of contacts under the reverse unit fingers. Step the reverse unit manually to get everything coated and cleaned. Doing it electrically could cause unevaporated cleaner to flame up. Some tuner cleaners leave an oily residue which is not desirable. The best cleaner would be the Caig Deoxit spray cleaners: http://store.caig.com/ Also CRC's QD Electronic Component Cleaner found in most hardware stores is cheap, dries quickly, leaves no residue, and is safe for most plastics. Its also highly flammable. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37750	From: parlerlasvegas	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Remote Switches

Hello, I would like to find a device that I can use to activate my push buttons for my buildings on my layout. I have an American Flyer layout with a ho Disney layout in the center for my wife, the Disney layout has buildings like the Haunted House, Train Station, And A Castle that have push buttons to activate the lights and other accessories , the layout has ground and I can no longer reach the buttons, I thought that I would use my old Flyer buttons hooked up to a transformer to activate a remote solenoid, when I went to Radio Shack they were stumped, This simple project has come to a halt until I can find something that works, Can you help me, Regards, Marty in Las Vegas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37751	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: 484 Parts

Greetings! In the spirit of Christmas, I have some parts for what I believe to be the 484 hopper car. I offer these parts to anyone who can put them to use, for the cost of shipping. These parts are yellow and include the chassis, the angled inside pieces, a "rotor" that fits into the chassis and a ladder. Not having seen a complete car, I am guessing that trucks and a shell would complete the car? Best wishes to all, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37752	From: Steve	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Need info on reverse loop relay

Hi all, Does anyone have a Flyer reverse loop relay they wouldn't mind taking apart and posting some pictures of the components? The relay is kinda hard to come by and seems rather expensive. Thats a hundred bucks per reverse loop that I could be buying trains with! I'd like to create my own based off the original. If I figure something out, I'll post instructions and part numbers for you guys to do the same. Thanks! Stephen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37753	From: John	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Need info on reverse loop relay

I too, like Steve, would also like to see a reverse loop relay broken down, so I also, can build one myself. thanks, John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <notdavidspade@y...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Does anyone have a Flyer reverse loop relay they wouldn't mind taking > apart and posting some pictures of the components? > > The relay is kinda hard to come by and seems rather expensive. Thats > a hundred bucks per reverse loop that I could be buying trains with! > > I'd like to create my own based off the original. If I figure > something out, I'll post instructions and part numbers for you guys to > do the same. Thanks! > Stephen >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37754	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Your train inventory

Gentlemen and Ladies Our electric train world has broadened so much, most of us enjoy the benefits of having vaious manufactured trains, engines, cars etc. Was wondering are there still loyal: "Lionel only" " American Flyer only" "Mth only", "K-Line only" or other "one manufacturer only" operators and or collectors! Just call me Heinz 57! Jerry Matsick Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37755	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Your train inventory

Jerry and group, 100% Flyer 3/16" O ga., 1939-1941 (and with some of it, I am the original owner!) Just starting new layout on Atlas track - O72 minimum curves. As an aside - the reason I am in THIS forum (as sort of a shirt-tail cousin) is that the O-ga. group is 2000% (maybe more) Lionel - which did NOT appeal to me as a child, nor does it now. Dick Hosmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37756	From: Jim V	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: I'm stumped -

Greetings and Happy Holidays to all! The problem engine is a 2-motor ALCO Diesel (a 1954version SF 470). It operates on the bench but when on the track it requires a bit more power to get it going. Also if I add any load, say the B-A dummies, it requires almost full power to get the front motor to go. If I add any cars - the front moter just won't get going. It sure appears to be a mechanical problem - I did rebush both chassis and no help. I swapped armatures - no help. Any ideas for my next move? Thanks in advance for any input. BTW - I put up my trains only for Christmas - if you want to view go to http://members.cox.net/gsetcdande05/aarrs_05.htm for a view. More pics to be posted in the next week (or so)- warnimg to all purists - there are Lionels operating on the same layout (hey I'm also the guy that keeps and T-bird and Corvette side-by-side in my garage) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37757	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: TRAIN UNDER THE TREE

Here is our train under the tree: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/CHRISTMAS05.html The Belfry Station layout: http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/Belfry.html Glenn attended a national train convention in Altoona this year to help set up a model train layout. http://www.ramshillfarm.com/GlennRitter/Family/ModelRR/AltoonaCon.html He is currently taking time off from model railroad clubs and will be rebuilding his layout in our new home! Well, as of May 1st (or thereabouts) our address will be Honey Brook, PA. Our hope is in the Lord and we relish all the future holds for us..struggles as well as joys! Blessings to you all, Lin and Glenn (The Ritters of Honey Brook) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37758	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: AC Reverse Loop Relay

Here is an drawing I did based on an article in the October1993 NASG Dispatch by Monte Heppe. It uses an atlas switch machine that is hooked across the AF turnout connections and follows the position selected by the AF controller hooked to it. The Atlas Switch motor uses an AC coil and becomes a slave DPDT switch reversing the track polarity to the loop depending on how the turnout is thrown. http://www.tuveson.com/AtlasReverseLoopRelay/ac_reverse_loop_relay.htm Pretty slick Idea but I have not tried it ... Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37759	From: beebear	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: Need info on reverse loop relay

Check out these links http://www.wiringfordcc.com/sw_ctl.htm http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/LoopTC.html http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~rdmurg/clinic/points.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Need info on reverse loop relay I too, like Steve, would also like to see a reverse loop relay broken down, so I also, can build one myself. thanks, John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <notdavidspade@y...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Does anyone have a Flyer reverse loop relay they wouldn't mind taking > apart and posting some pictures of the components? > > The relay is kinda hard to come by and seems rather expensive. Thats > a hundred bucks per reverse loop that I could be buying trains with! > > I'd like to create my own based off the original. If I figure > something out, I'll post instructions and part numbers for you guys to > do the same. Thanks! > Stephen > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________________ Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com 10:28:39 AM ET - 12/17/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37760	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: All PullMor to 322, 343, 312, 314AW

Several years ago I remember there was a thread on the various methods of adding / replacing PullMor wheels. What is the current status on this. The "good" power I have is the numbers above in the subject line. I also have some 300's (doesn't all of us!?) one of those blue B&O... I think that is it for steam. I seem to remember maybe there was someone that would add the PullMor to AF rims, like a better technique than gluing a rubber band to the wheel. My 322 is one happy engine as-is actually. 343 is a bit spinny, and the Pensey's are waiting for some TLC... not to mention getting all of my link coupler rolling stock in shape. TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37761	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: Re: AC Reverse Loop Relay

Carl, Clicked on the link, but message says "nor found." Roy > From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> > Reply-To: carl@... > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:04:54 -0500 > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: Steve <notdavidspade@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] AC Reverse Loop Relay > > Here is an drawing I did based on an article in the October1993 NASG > Dispatch by Monte Heppe. It uses an atlas switch machine that is hooked > across the AF turnout connections and follows the position selected by the > AF controller hooked to it. The Atlas Switch motor uses an AC coil and > becomes a slave DPDT switch reversing the track polarity to the loop > depending on how the turnout is thrown. > http://www.tuveson.com/AtlasReverseLoopRelay/ac_reverse_loop_relay.htm > Pretty slick Idea but I have not tried it ... > Carl > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37762	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/17/2005
Subject: More American Models cars for sale.

I have a friend that is selling most of his East coast prototype American models Items. I have already sold many of his items for him. The following is a list of some more of his items That I will first put on this list then on to Ebay starting Sunday evening. 1. AM F7 3 engine set ABA Pennsylvania Tuscan 2 powered, B is sound unit. AC Highrail I put them on the tracks and they do run but could use a good wheel and pickup wire cleaning, scale size dummy couplers, Bodies are pretty clean but not perfect. These may have been sprayed with dullcoat but I am not really sure. They really look good There may be a couple of the side windows missing. Orig box and liner. $250 for the set. Shipped usa 2. AM F7 3 engine set AA Pennsylvania Green 1 powered, 1 dummy. AC Highrail I put them on the tracks and they do run but could use a good wheel and pickup wire cleaning, scale size dummy couplers, Bodies are pretty clean but not perfect. These may have been sprayed with dullcoat but I am not really sure. They really look good. There may be a couple of the side windows missing. Orig box and liner. $175 for the set. Shipped usa AM 2 bay hoppers. These have AM boxes and tops , not all have the liner cardboard piece. All are scale wheels and kadee couplers, add $2 for Highrail and knuckles. $20 each 3. 275351 Penn tuscan $20 each 4. 270359 penn tuscan 5. 80571 reading black 6. 47036 L & N black 7. 220680 Erie AM 4 bay hoppers (fast track trains boxes) all are scale wheels and kadee couplers, add $2 for Highrail and knuckles. $20 each 8. 256503 penn 9. 256482 penn 10. 15322 west Maryland 11. 67236 C & O AM Box cars All hav an AM box , many have the cardboard insert. All are scale wheels and knuckle couplers. , add $2 for Highrail and knuckles. $20 each 12. 12 92453 penn merchandise service 13. 19267 penn shadow type keystone 14. 47011 penn shadow type keystone 15. 36175 new haven blk with orn door 16. 36108 new haven blk with orn door 17. 96235 Missouri Pac AM Refer cars all have an AM box. All are scale wheels and knuckle couplers. , add $2 for Highrail and knuckles. $20 each 18. 8914 Milwaukee 19. 8900 milwaukee 20. AM wood caboose 982019 Pennsylvania new in box $25, scale wheels and knuckle couplers. , add $2 each. for Highrail and knuckles. 21. S Helper caboose red unlettered used, in original box, very clean. Scale wheels and Kadee couplers. I do not have any of the special highrail wheelsets for these. $25. 22. S Helper caboose red unlettered used, in original box, very clean. Scale wheels and Kadee couplers. I do not have any of the special highrail wheelsets for these. $25. Shipping for freight cars. $6.00 for 1, $7 for 2, add $1 each for any more than that. I can take offers, especially on quantity. I can take Paypal, or checks, Thanks for looking, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year.. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. _____________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37763	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Reverse Loop? ? ?

Well, I just set up a sort of reverse loop using only the normal two train feature. It is a single track, out and back with a loop at each end, and it works. The power to each loop stays the same, and the two switches control the power to the single track part. On the loop side, insulate the outside rails (those that are one piece all the way). You have to wire the two switches so that both change at the same time, one to the streight and one to the curve. When both turn, you get base and power on the proper side for the loco to come out. Once the train is in the other loop, flip the switches so it is ready for the train to come back out This way, base and power in the loops is the same so accessories face the track wiht the power on the proper side to work the same every time. But only the single track has trains that go in both directions. Siill, this idea may help some of you. It's not something you can set and forget as somone has to watch and flip the switches each time the train gets into the loop. Someone may have an idea as how to automate that part. jfred __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37764	From: Steve	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Re: AC Reverse Loop Relay

Hey guys, after playing with this for most of the afternoon and reading all your posts, I have come up with what I believe is the simpliest solution for a reverse loop. I went down to Radio Shack (yes, they do still have eletronic components, not just crappy audio gear and cell phones) and got a Mini SPDT lever switch (I used 275- 016A) and mounted it inside my AF Switch. The switch has 3 hookups. I hooked up pin 1 to the outside rail of the loop, pin 2 the incoming rail pickup farthest from the switch mechanisim and pin 3 to the closer rail pickup. I then rotated the sheet metal nib that contacts the spring loaded pointer thing (the device that is suppose to help keep the swivel portion in one position or the other) Take a look at this little page I made for it. Let me know if you have questions! http://www.geocities.com/notdavidspade/reverseloop --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@w...> wrote: > > Here is an drawing I did based on an article in the October1993 NASG > Dispatch by Monte Heppe. It uses an atlas switch machine that is hooked > across the AF turnout connections and follows the position selected by the > AF controller hooked to it. The Atlas Switch motor uses an AC coil and > becomes a slave DPDT switch reversing the track polarity to the loop > depending on how the turnout is thrown. > http://www.tuveson.com/AtlasReverseLoopRelay/ac_reverse_loop_relay.ht m > Pretty slick Idea but I have not tried it ... > Carl > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37765	From: Steve	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Reverse loop relay switch mod

Here is what I did to wire a reverse loop with just a AF switch. Based on all the posts I read here I came up with this mod. The best part is all wiring is internal with the exception of one wire to power the outside rail. The switch will need two fibre pins on the outer rails of the turnout. Thanks to all that have posted. My appologies if this is a duplicate post, I can't seem to see my replies to other people's posts, so I'm starting my own. Check this out to see what I did and let me know if you have questions. http://www.geocities.com/notdavidspade/reverseloop Thanks! Stephen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37766	From: muniman18	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: 325 ac

NEED SOME HELP...CAN'T GET THIS ENGINE GOING CLEANED THE REVERSE UNIT {WITH MUCH HELP FROM BARB} BUT NO GO I'M NOT GETTING JUICE TO THE ENGINE THE HEAD LITE DOES'NT GO ON EVEN CHECKED THE BULB THAT'S WORKING ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37767	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/18/2005
Subject: Not much left from the American Models stuff for sale

Thanks for the many responses. Actually it was pretty incredible. I have most everything sold!! All I have left are the Pennsylvania Green AM F-7 AA pair of engines (1 powered, 1 dummy) and the AM Pennsylvania wood caboose. The engines are AC Highrail with operating style knuckles, Pretty clean, need a wheel and pickup cleaning but do run. The caboose is new in the box , Highrail with Knuckle couplers. I also have the L&N hopper. If someone wants it all for $150 it is yours. My friend has another large box of the same sorts of freight cars so I will have another list later in the week. Thanks. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37768	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 3886

TCA'S KEYSTONE DIVISION'S JANUARY MEET AND SALE is scheduled for January 7th, 2006 at St Philip the Apostle Catholic Church in Millersville PA. Corner of PA Rt 741 and PA 999, the "round" church is easy to get to from any location in these GREAT United States. Open 9 to 10 AM for TCA members only, Open from 10 AM to 1 PM to the General Public. $5.00 Admission charged at the door, Kids under 18 yrs, admitted free. Door Prizes every "Half an Hour", Great food by the Men's Sunday School Class ( lots of TCA'ers there too.) Great time to join KEYSTONE DIVISION, at front desk. Only $15.00 per year. Tables available from Ron Morris, _rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...) , MUST be TCA member to rent table. Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37769	From: wpporter@duckburg.us	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Module Update

Merry Christmas to All, Howdy friends of Both Lists, I mentioned a couple of months ago that I had put the Royal Palm and Loxahatchee Central on a diet. That is the name for the set of modules that Milo Rodriguez and I built to take to local train shows. I also promised to update my web site with some photos showing the refurbishment. OK, I have now done so and while I was at it, I overhauled the look of my site for the pure joy of it. If you are interested, take a look at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/ The relevant section for the refrubishment is under the section on Royal Palm and Loxahatchee Central. When I get the scenery updated, I'll post some more. It is a little like eating peanuts - hard to stop. And to all, A Good Night, Bill -- Bill Porter Loxahatchee, Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37770	From: David Girson	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: 312 drawbar

I'm converting the cheaper combo drawbar on my 312 to a cast trailing truck and offset drawbar. My question is....In the scheme of things when I connect the new offset drawbar to the tender, can I connect it to the front truck where the previous drawbar was connected, or should I cut off that part of the truck and connect the end of the drawbar directly to the tender frame where there is a hole for it also. Thoughts anyone? David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37771	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS

I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR....... BOB..... RCON7 AND MY NEW B&O MIKE CAME TODAY...... REALLY NICE!!!!!!! THANKS S-HELPER........ LOOKING FORWARD TOO MORE GOOD THINGS........ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37772	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Gallery / Photo Album Errors

Photo Album Owners and Users, I just realized that there is a system wide issue on the S-Scale.org photo albums. The albums are viewable, but the owners are unable to upload new images. I have submitted a ticket and I am sure they will 'jump right on it'. I will let you know via this list when I think the problem is fixed. Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37773	From: keefer1	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: gilbert guru

Hey ,Leonard or Fred ,contact me off list.Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37774	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Photo Albums Are Fixed

Album Owners, If you are still having trouble, please send me an email. Paul Yorke S_Trains at Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37775	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: Re;312 drawbar

I'm not sure if this would work in your case, but I converted a Pacific to a newer trailing truck with the cast frame by using a popcicle stick! Front attaches to loco chassis in the regular spot, rear to the tender in it's regular spot. I used small bolt and nut to make a center joint. Yes, it's crude. But it is also cheap, easier to work than metal, and obviously non-conductive. If the first one isn't right, throw it away and make another one. Sanded and painted black you can't tell stick from metal. Stumpy Stone...crude but effective in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37776	From: muniman18	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: re 325 not running

EUREKA,ALLELUIA,HOORAY SACRE BLUE, GOT IT WORKING,PROBLEM... THE BRACKET THAT HOLDS THE LOWER FINGERS WAS CRACKED NO CONTACT MOVED IT IN AND IT TOOK OFF LIKE A BAT OTTA HELL. I REALLY WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE ADVISE I LEARNED A HECK OF A LOT WHO SAY'S YOU CAN'T TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS I BOW TO YOUR SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE TO STEAL FROM STUMPY MIKE HAPPY MY325 IS WELL AGAIN ON THE SOUTH SHORE OF LI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37777	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2005
Subject: 325 ac

Mike, You probably have a broken wire in the harness. The wire is a specail woven mesh, that is very flexible (super-flex, as it is known). Ocassionaly it can be broken inside the cotton cover. You need to use an ohm meter and check each wire for continuity. Alternately, you could have a cold solder joint on the male plug. Let us know how it goes. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37778	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Popsicle sticks,etc.

One of the advantages of being an older modeler is that many years ago we didn't have all of todays neat stuff to make things out of. Popsicle (see, I spelled it right this time) sticks, also known as Craft Sticks, were plentiful and cheap. They could be cut and sanded to represent wood strips or even metal, and took stain or paint well. Plain old cardboard was good for backing or strength when building structures or rolling stock. Poster board came in big sheets for less than a buck and had a smooth finish. Best of all were packs of 3x5" file cards. They could be bent to some degree for a curved surface. By punching them lightly with a ballpoint pen you could make "rivets". When painted this represented metal, yet could easily be glued with plain old white glue. Small sewing thread spools became cable drums, thread or string was steel cable or rope. Tin cans could be surrounded with narrowed popsicle sticks for water towers or other tanks, while beer cans could be cut up for a sorce of easily worked metal. Today's aluminum cans are even better as they can be cut with common sissors and easily formed, even into compound curves. But be careful, this stuff is razor sharp. I look at things for a use beyond what it's intended use is...and you can too! Being poor or cheap is not a diadvantage. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37779	From: buzzybobcat03	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: two on one track

hi, hope someone can help me out..a friend of mine has s scale and has a layout but he can not figure out hoe to get two trains running on the same loop,, iam into oscale, and realy dont known to much about the s scale what does he need to get two going,, thanks alot Buzzy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37780	From: wintermutedm	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Re: Popsicle sticks,etc.

Stumpy, You can still get the popsicle sticks (check out Michael's, if you have those where you live). A few years ago, we picked up a box of 1000 for maybe 4 bucks. Still use them: we cut them into boards for the lumbermill (they work great), use them to prop up the outside rail on curves, the kids build forts with them... you name it! I even use one (doubled up) to keep the ramp on our stockyard from smacking cars as they go by. Denny (happy camper now that my 583 crane is working again). --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@c...> wrote: > > One of the advantages of being an older modeler is that many years > ago we didn't have all of todays neat stuff to make things out of. > Popsicle (see, I spelled it right this time) sticks, also known as > Craft Sticks, were plentiful and cheap. They could be cut and sanded > to represent wood strips or even metal, and took stain or paint well. > Plain old cardboard was good for backing or strength when building > structures or rolling stock. Poster board came in big sheets for less > than a buck and had a smooth finish. Best of all were packs of 3x5" > file cards. They could be bent to some degree for a curved surface. > By punching them lightly with a ballpoint pen you could > make "rivets". When painted this represented metal, yet could easily > be glued with plain old white glue. > Small sewing thread spools became cable drums, thread or string was > steel cable or rope. Tin cans could be surrounded with narrowed > popsicle sticks for water towers or other tanks, while beer cans > could be cut up for a sorce of easily worked metal. Today's aluminum > cans are even better as they can be cut with common sissors and > easily formed, even into compound curves. But be careful, this stuff > is razor sharp. > I look at things for a use beyond what it's intended use is...and > you can too! Being poor or cheap is not a diadvantage. > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, Ohio. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37781	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: R$ailroad Books?

I think it was someone from this list who had asked me about the railroad books. I lost the email. To answer the inquiry, all of the books listed on my site are available. In fact ,I turned up[ copies of the Morriwtown and Erie book and some other NJ railroads. Just go there and scroll all the way down until you find them: http://www.thortrains.net/milihistriot/buyknights.html Please note that along with the raiload books, I have WW2 books, Shambattle game books, and tin knights. You have to scroll down past them. From now until Jan 1, any orders over $12 go Priority Mail in the US. If you order today, I can get it in the mail tomorrow and you shoudld have it by Saturday. Happy soldiering! Thor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37782	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Silly question #235

I have an old #8 trannie. On the back, I have the option to hook the track power to 8-16 or 16-25. Is it safe to run my ol' 282 on 16-25? Or just the 8-16? What is the 16-25 for? Thanks a bunch!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37783	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Re: Silly question #235

***(((If you use the 16-25 your loco would take off like a jackrabbit at the starting voltage of 16 v. )))*** That's for sure!! I tried it!! I'll stick with the 8-16 !!! Thanks Steve! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37784	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Temporary Christmas Layout

Because I had to tear down my hi-rail layout - see http://s-scale.org/albums/album50 - I started to crawl the walls. I just had to get something up for Christmas! I happened to come across a species called micro layouts on the web at http://www.carendt.com/ , and that did it. The new layout (centerpiece) is shown on pages 3 and 4 of my album. It's in N (apologies, but AF makes a lousy centerpiece - no room to eat!). The container is 12" in diameter, and it's battery powered (the Drill Sgt. wouldn't allow any cords on the dining room table). Hopefully, I'll get another hi-rail layout going after Christmas. Or maybe another micro in Sn3? Merry Christmas (Happy Holidays) to all, and a safe and Happy New year! Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37785	From: conehammer	Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: AF 332 question

How long did AC Gilbert's run with DC last? I've been interested in 332 Northerns and I see the only one that was AC is the 332 AC; is /was it a common thing to convert 332 DC only engines to AC? I have a chance to get a rather used/tired 332 but would like to run it on AC. I imagine it takes a different motor, an e-unit and some wiring to make it happen.. Thanks, Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37786	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: S Helper' new Consolidation

The best from the best! On Tuesday my fantastic 2-8-0 WM Consolidation arrived. Beautiful as I was sure the engine was the packaging of this item was great too. So carefully boxed, I was having trouble getting the engine out, called Don Thompson at S Helper and at the same time I was talking to Don, he told me an unforeseen problem with a 'capacitor" and that I should return the engine for it to be updated. Being disappointed and not mad at Don, I agreed to have this engine operate correctly was Don's and my agreement also. I am sure first of all that when I was an O gauger, talking to Mr. MTH or Mr. LIONEL it would never happened. Don and Robin and the staff at S Helper have worked long and hard to get us S Gauger's a fantastic and super operting S Scale Steam Engine. Don Thompson has given us the best in a Steam Engine and hopefully my WM 2-8-0 will soon be rolling down the track on my "Jax S Ville" layout very soon. ALL S-Train members are welcome to stop in and visit. Proud to be associated with the best in S Gause/Scale railroading. THANKS S HELPER - Thanks Don and Robin! Merry Christmas to you both and all the Soon to be operators of the fantastic new 2-8-0 Consolidation by the SHOWCASELINE Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37787	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: kids

Hi all, I am in grandpa heaven with all three of my grandkids staying with me for the holidays. The youngest will be two in Feb. and is enthralled with the trains. Not being able to express herself in words, she says choo and makes the sign for more while searching my eyes imploringly for a positive reaction (which she gets often). I run up to 4 trains at the same time and she also loves the accessories (and of course she blows the whistle). I live a block away from Christmas Card Lane in San Diego which is about 6 blocks of extreme Christmas Decorations and many homes have large Christmas and Holiday Cards with cartoon subjects that range from Disney to Spiderman with all sorts of other cartoon characters represented. There were many people on foot with others driving in cars with the headlights turned off and driving slow. We even have huge tour busses that show up, tonight I counted 4 while we were there. The biggest crowds however were found in front of two garden train exhibits set up in front lawns. The owners could have sold dozens of train sets tonight alone had they been so inclined. Cars would park, the kids wouldn't leave and the parents were commenting on how great it would be to have trains. Now my grandkids are used to smoke, chugging and accessories which these displays didn't even have. I believe that the train market for kids is there but is untapped. It would seem to me that an A.C. Gilbert style layout in a mall at Christmas with affordable starter sets could far exceed any train set sales at local hobby shops. When parents go shopping for gifts for their kids, they don't go to hobby stores, they go to the mall and they take their kids. Merry Christmas to all, Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37788	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Thanks

Thanks to all those who replied about paper for inside 650 cars. Seems the consensus was newsprint followed by 20 lb bond. Looks like there will soon be passenger silhouettes available also.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37789	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AF 332 question

conehammer <conehammer@...> wrote: I have a chance to get a rather used/tired 332 but would like to run it on AC. I imagine it takes a different motor, an e-unit and some wiring to make it happen. There are a number of ways to this: 1. Replace the motor magnet with a field coil (thus turning it into AC), add a Flyer reverse unit, and then rewire as an AC engine. 2. Leave the motor as is and add an E-unit that outputs DC to the motor. 3. Leave the motor as is and add a bridge rectifier and Flyer reverse unit, wiring the track power to the ac input of the rectifier, the dc output to the reverse unit, and the reverse unit to the motor. The reverse unit is wired such that it reverses the polarity of the two wires to the motor. 4. Convert to a can motor and an E-unit. One of the problems with the DC motors is that the magnet can lose power, which makes the motor run more slowly and can cause overheating and armature damage. The magnets need to be recharged or replaced when this happens. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37790	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2887 - 332 DC to AC Coversion

Jerry: I just finished rehabbing a 332 which had been converted (badly) to AC operation. As you thought, it included installing a reverse unit, new armature, (wound) field, installing a new wiring harness, 4-prong connector panel & male plug, a lot of cleaning, a new smoke wick and total replacement of frayed/bare wires. Parts are available. So, it can be done and the results can be spectacular if the work is done carefully. Just one caveat: If you still have the option NOT to purchase it, make sure the drive wheels treads are not grooved or ridged and that the drive wheel flanges and insulators are intact. I don't know what the going rate is on these nowadays, but I have a feeling it could get very expensive if they had to be replaced. Also, check for excessive play at the axle bushings. The bushings themselves are not really very expensive, but the drive wheel/axle disassembly/reassembly/requartering is fairly time-consuming. If you want to go nuts on this thing, there is a 1" motor being made and sold by several people in the S-Gauge world. It's made from original A.C. Gilbert armature & field components. The pulling power developed by this motor is off the charts. Hope this helps with your decision. Bob Hannon > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:06:00 -0000 > From: "conehammer" <conehammer@...> > Subject: AF 332 question > > How long did AC Gilbert's run with DC last? I've been interested in > 332 Northerns and I see the only one that was AC is the 332 AC; is > /was it a common thing to convert 332 DC only engines to AC? I have a > chance to get a rather used/tired 332 but would like to run it on AC. > I imagine it takes a different motor, an e-unit and some wiring to > make it happen.. > > Thanks, > > Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37791	From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AF 332 question

Sticking with DC is cheaper and they run great on DC. I have two 332 dc's and a 342 dc, both run as good as AC. I use a 22090 with a radio shack bridge rectifier and a direction switch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37792	From: keefer1	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Added pictures

I added some pictures from my "around the tree" floor layout from my grand daughters school. Although space is tremendous ,nearly 1000 square feet available, time was very tight. Had to be set up in a day.Next year I have the entire loft and can start setting up anytime after Thanksgiving. The kids (of all ages) had a blast pushing buttons.I ran the trains and had the switch controls, the kids operated all the rest.I ran it from 9-3 three days in a row. The only fatality was an armature on the DRGW repainted 474. Next year several other grandfathers are going to break out the long stored Lionel. Happy Christmas! Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37793	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: 332 DC to AC Coversion

Concerning this question, Scott Holm mentioned recharging DC motor magnets. Does anyone know who does this, or better yet can it be practically done at home? Also, are replacements available? I can imagine with the better magnet materials available today that could make a big improvement in performance. Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37794	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AC/DC Question

Hey y'all. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah! I know this sounds like a stupid question, but electricity is not my forte. Can a DC engine run on AC? Can an AC engine run on DC? Rich Clouse FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: Sticking with DC is cheaper and they run great on DC. I have two 332 dc's and a 342 dc, both run as good as AC. I use a 22090 with a radio shack bridge rectifier and a direction switch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37795	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re;AF332 question

I'm a great believer in rebuilding old AF with can motors. Even if you want to go to AC power, I'd recommend doing it with a can motor and electronic e-unit conversion from Portlines or SnS Trains. The DC can motor runs smoother and cooler and the electronic e-unit is far better than fiddling with the original. You can still run AC power as the electronic e-unit also converts AC to DC for the can motor. This is the same set up all the new AC Hi-rail locomotives use. Stumpy Stone...player with trains...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37796	From: James Hannawald	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Reverse unit problems

I must be having a senior moment- I know I've seen some information on how to service the reverse units in these engines, but can't remember where. Can someone please guide me in the right direction. I have one in a 21100 Atlantic that cycles but I'm not getting power to the motor. Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37797	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: My 2005 Holiday Layout

I've added just a few pics (more to come-check back!!) of this years small layout. http://s-scale.org/albums/albuq22 I kept it REALLY simple this year, not the normal village I usually do. This year due to lack of time, too busy, and just being lazy, I went with more of a Christmas card kinda rural scene. The "Mountaineer" set in the photos, is the same set I had in '62 and can be seen in the B & W photo. The Plasticville water tower can also be seen in the older photo. I still have my original Plasticville station, but it's not the one in this year's photo (I stole this one from my Fall Layout which is still up). Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37798	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions

Due to the recent plethora of questions about reverse units, please bear with me for a SIMPLE and FINAL answer. Since the drum type reverse units found in MOST Flyer locos are the MAIN cause of operating grief, why not eliminate it once and for all? It is a simple process to remove it and replace it with a modern day electronic reverse unit such as the Dallee 400. In addition to fail safe operation, they output DC current to the motor resulting in smoother running. I am not suggesting one take a "collector" quality piece and do this but there are far more "runner" pieces out there that are suffering the reverse unit blues. Anyone that owns a soldering iron can do the replacement in 20 minutes (or less) It is as easy as falling off a horse. They retail for $44.95, and can be bought for less when bought as a package with DC can motors. They are available from at least three sources I know of, and we are one of them. Merry Christmas to all. Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37799	From: Charles E. Smith	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: AC/DC Question

All Flyer AC motors have a wound field and can be run on AC or DC. (Called a "universal" motor) AF motors with a permanent magnet instead of a wound field accept only DC to run. That takes care of running. Now for reversing: Permag DC motors are ready to reverse with only a polarity switch from the supply. Wound field motors need a bridge rectifier added to the field so it behaves like a permag and reverses via a polarity change. Wound field motors running DC without a rectifier added will reverse from the Flyer reverse unit. (I find they tend to develop a sticky reverse unit over time.) Chuck Smith, On matters of style swim with the current. On matters of substance stand like a rock. Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Clouse" <riclouse@...> To: <FEZANDPAZ@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AC/DC Question > Hey y'all. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah! > > I know this sounds like a stupid question, but electricity is not my forte. Can a DC engine run on AC? Can an AC engine run on DC? > > Rich Clouse > > > FEZANDPAZ@... wrote: > Sticking with DC is cheaper and they run great on DC. I have two 332 dc's > and a 342 dc, both run as good as AC. I use a 22090 with a radio shack bridge > rectifier and a direction switch. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37800	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: How far do you go?

Stump, But what about the lack of collectible authenticity? Next you will be advocating optical pick up for trigger mechanisms instead of pressure track trips ... at least I never got one to work... I think you are right on regarding the operating of engines... but when I look to replace the e-units with digital electronics with DC converters then I get very tempted to try one of the continuous power feed digital command systems like TMMC or DCS... It's like trying to eat just one M&M... I think the passenger trains would look really cool with the constant bright lighting... I wonder what the cost difference is between converting the engines (not factoring in the control systems) between digital command and electronic e-unit? Have you ever been tempted to look at the digit command systems for engine control? I heard that the new Lionel AF diesels are using a new more modern power motor setup? Have you heard anything? Have Happy Holiday Season, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;AF332 question I'm a great believer in rebuilding old AF with can motors. Even if you want to go to AC power, I'd recommend doing it with a can motor and electronic e-unit conversion from Portlines or SnS Trains. The DC can motor runs smoother and cooler and the electronic e-unit is far better than fiddling with the original. You can still run AC power as the electronic e-unit also converts AC to DC for the can motor. This is the same set up all the new AC Hi-rail locomotives use. Stumpy Stone...player with trains...Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37801	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: How far do you go?

Scott, I have a review of the new SD-9 AF/Lionel showing it's new drive train which is also shared by the new AF/Lionel PA Alcos at: http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9/SD-9.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Scott Davidson Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:53 PM To: 'Stumpy Stone'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How far do you go? Stump, But what about the lack of collectible authenticity? Next you will be advocating optical pick up for trigger mechanisms instead of pressure track trips ... at least I never got one to work... I think you are right on regarding the operating of engines... but when I look to replace the e-units with digital electronics with DC converters then I get very tempted to try one of the continuous power feed digital command systems like TMMC or DCS... It's like trying to eat just one M&M... I think the passenger trains would look really cool with the constant bright lighting... I wonder what the cost difference is between converting the engines (not factoring in the control systems) between digital command and electronic e-unit? Have you ever been tempted to look at the digit command systems for engine control? I heard that the new Lionel AF diesels are using a new more modern power motor setup? Have you heard anything? Have Happy Holiday Season, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;AF332 question I'm a great believer in rebuilding old AF with can motors. Even if you want to go to AC power, I'd recommend doing it with a can motor and electronic e-unit conversion from Portlines or SnS Trains. The DC can motor runs smoother and cooler and the electronic e-unit is far better than fiddling with the original. You can still run AC power as the electronic e-unit also converts AC to DC for the can motor. This is the same set up all the new AC Hi-rail locomotives use. Stumpy Stone...player with trains...Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37802	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Sharing Toy Trains with Children

Hello Friends, It has been interesting to watch the posts on another list some of us subscribe to about the impending death of our toy train hobby over the past few weeks turn to more hopeful posts about taking the opportunity to engage children in our wonderful toy train hobby, but on their own terms. A post by collector Marty Cook, which was delightful recounting of his trip to the HO layout with his daughter, Jenna, was just one example. I thought you S-gaugers might get also a kick out of some good press our hobby received in our local paper. As many of you know, my only claim to fame in the toy train hobby is to be a partner in a snow themed holiday AF layout that we take to a few shows and that we have displayed during the month of December in the Oregon State Capitol Rotunda for 20 of the last 21 years. My children were taken to see the trains during much of the first decade of that time, and today I joined my now grown son and his three children for our annual pre-Christmas lunch and viewing of "Grandpa's trains." Taylor is an old hand, Aaron is in his third year of visits, and this was Emma's first Capitol Holidays Layout visit. See http://s-scale.org/albums/albup36 and http://www.tcamembers.org/gallery/xmas%20photos05/index.html But perhaps one of my most cherished responses to our display came this year in the form of a column in the local newspaper, the Salem Statesman-Journal. The paper had previously run articles about the lighting of the Capitol Christmas tree and the starting of the trains with nice pictures and a mention of my providing the trains, but the column yesterday had nothing to do with me, yet was very telling in what our effort is all about. The column was written by Angela Obery, appeared in the December 20, 2005 edition and was accompanied by a picture of excited young children leaning over the little fence practically touching the trains; in itself a little scary, but the Capitol Guide Staff do a good job of keeping things from getting out of hand. The column was titled "Trains and Trees Decorated with Kids Favorites Fill the Capitol". Unfortunately, the Statesman-Journal did not choose to put this column in their online edition, so I can't link you to it. Instead I will quote the applicable parts of it here. The following is excerpted from her column: "Last year, our family visited the state Capitol building to see the holiday decorations. Since that time, my preschool-age son has been waiting for the return of the train that traditionally is under the tree displayed there. Each time we drive by the capitol building, he calls out, " There's the gold man!" Then, after a short pause, one of several questions follow: "Can we go in and see the train?" "Is the train put away until Christmas?" "Is it Christmastime yet?" "Entering the Capitol building this December, I was struck by the beauty of the lights, the trees and the graceful arch of the rotunda.... My son, of course, scarcely noticed anything as he quickly made his way to where the train waited for him. "All aboard!" he happily called as he pushed the button to start the engine. Emerging from a tunnel, the small electric locomotive began its travels through a miniature recreation of a snow-covered historical Salem. "After no less than 10 minutes of pushing the start button and watching the train, my son agreed to see the other sites [sic] the Capitol has to offer.... "...understanding the importance of making time to enjoy the capitol decorations, I asked my preschooler if he'd like to watch the train circle the track one more time before we headed home. "My son's large eyes and even larger smile assured me he was keen on this idea. After all, another year will pass before we can enjoy this holiday train again." The toy train hobbyist of the future is out there. We just need to be sure that we, the guardians of the hobby today, reach out and provide the experiences that may well result in a pursuit of the hobby in the future. Happy Holidays! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37803	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: December 22, 1965

40 years ago today, I got my first HO train set. It was a Wednesday and I was ten years old. My Dad drove me down to E.J. Korvette's, a department store in Rockville, MD that is no longer there, as the entire chain went out of business. Dad didn't have much money for me to use to buy this train set, as we picked out a set by Varney that included just a circle of track, a SF Diesel, red and silver,a L&N Box car, a yellow gondola that had a industrial road name, and a SF red caboose. The circle of track has the connecting wires for the transformer, soldered to the track. The set was ten dollars. We left for Korvette's about 6 pm that evening, as I remember that evening very well, running that train that night in a corner of the living room. But like American Flyer, which we had a few sets, Varney went out of business too. I still have the cars, with the boxes, as the engine, didn't last too long. But it was the start of my building a large assortment of HO trains, the next several years. Well, 40 years later, I have a eye appointment today, to see what can be done, for the left eye, that now has very little vision. I think I rather get a train set today. O:)! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37804	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: [toytrains] December 22, 1965

Mike All of us in the group, wish you well and our prayers are wtih you on your eye problem, having 8 diabetic retinopathy lazer surgeries in the last 14 months, I can feel for you. However, 56 years ago this month, I received my first train, a Marx steam engine 3/16" tin lithograph set from 'Monkey Wards Dept Store, the seeds of 3/16 scale were sown then and and today are "blooming" in my love for S Gauge Scale trains. S gauge the real looking trains with two rails!, However took me 40 years to flee from the Three Rail Lionel (and other brands) electric trains. However some of the greatest guys (and gals) continue to run those infamous 3 rail trains, squinting to get rid of that 'center' rail - .Happy Railroding to all (2 or 3 rails) THEY are ALL TOY Trains and I love them. Jerry M mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: 40 years ago today, I got my first HO train set. It was a Wednesday and I was ten years old. My Dad drove me down to E.J. Korvette's, a department store in Rockville, MD that is no longer there, as the entire chain went out of business. Dad didn't have much money for me to use to buy this train set, as we picked out a set by Varney that included just a circle of track, a SF Diesel, red and silver,a L&N Box car, a yellow gondola that had a industrial road name, and a SF red caboose. The circle of track has the connecting wires for the transformer, soldered to the track. The set was ten dollars. We left for Korvette's about 6 pm that evening, as I remember that evening very well, running that train that night in a corner of the living room. But like American Flyer, which we had a few sets, Varney went out of business too. I still have the cars, with the boxes, as the engine, didn't last too long. But it was the start of my building a large assortment of HO trains, the next several years. Well, 40 years later, I have a eye appointment today, to see what can be done, for the left eye, that now has very little vision. I think I rather get a train set today. O:)! Mike Marmer --- Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37805	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re;How far do you go?

Scott, I have rebuilt several junker Gilbert locos and cars. My feeling is that anything common is fair game for modification, particularly if it is not operating when I get it. Anything new is fair game as it has no proven collectability. I come from fifty years of model railroading with just a bit of Lionel and Gilbert collecting over the years. In model railroading there is no collectability problem, so I'm used to upgrading trains. I upgrade my Gilbert locos to straight DC power for smooth operation. This does away with the troublesome e-unit as well as going to the better can motor. I'm simply doing what Lionel, S-Helper, American Models, and Putt Trains are doing in S gauge. They use can motors and electronic e-units for AC operation, I just leave out the e-unit and run DC. I upgrade cosmetically as well as mechanically, but I'm leaning more toward buying modern stuff rather than upgrading the older trains. Would I tear into a rare Gilbert item? NO WAY! I respect what Gilbert collectors highly prize as a historic piece. That's my reasoning anyway. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry,OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37806	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: Sharing Toy Trains with Children

Boy, Alan, you sure are right on with this comment, IMHO. There is a large G gauge layout at Union Station Kansas City for the second year running. For the most part, all the operators and volunteers are very helpful and patient with the visitors. There is one person, however, who gets kind of short with some of the youngsters when they ask over and over again to hear the whistle, want to see the train back up, etc. So I would just like to gently suggest that all of us who run trains at shows whatever time of year perhaps need to consider that once upon a time we were all those wide-eyed kids, experiencing model trains for the first or second time and that those kids need to be indulged and encouraged. As we all know, kids are our future. And congratulations on continuing a holiday tradition in Oregon :) Cheers Roy Inman > From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:12:41 -0800 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Sharing Toy Trains with Children > > The toy train hobbyist of the future is out there. We just need to be sure > that we, the guardians of the hobby today, reach out and provide the > experiences that may well result in a pursuit of the hobby in the future. > > Happy Holidays! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37807	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions

Steve (boss31) wrote: ".electronic reverse unit such as the Dallee 400.They retail for $44.95, and can be bought for less when bought as a package with DC can motor." I think it is by far cheaper and a whole lot better operationally, to use one of Steve's SNS can motors. You will not believe how much better your Flyer will run. The only drawback that I've found is you'll want to remoter all you Flyer with them. Happy Holidays, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts& Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37808	From: Richard Clouse	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions

I am probably asking this inartfully, as I am REALLY STOOPID when it comes to electronics: Following up on the DC/AC and electronic reverse unit issue, does anyone know if you convert to TMCC, do the electronics attendant with that conversion provide for the requisite conversion of AC to DC so as to allow the installation of a can motor without having to also provide for the e-unit conversion? Rich Clouse Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> wrote: Steve (boss31) wrote: ".electronic reverse unit such as the Dallee 400.They retail for $44.95, and can be bought for less when bought as a package with DC can motor." I think it is by far cheaper and a whole lot better operationally, to use one of Steve's SNS can motors. You will not believe how much better your Flyer will run. The only drawback that I've found is you'll want to remoter all you Flyer with them. Happy Holidays, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts& Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... Rush Hour: http://www.cgclaw.com/RushHour.htm — ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION — The information contained in this e-mail message is information protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges. It is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals named, above, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by e-mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37809	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: [toytrains] December 22, 1965

Jerry, Thanks for the kind words, as I know that is something we have in common. I got to the doctor's, as he knows, I am into trains, since he okayed me to go to York in April, before surgery number 3, I lost count! I showed him my email I sent out and I showed him, the L&N Boxcar still in the box from 1965, with a ad on the box for the big slot racing cars! He got real excited to see that. He said, I showed signs of being a collector of things, back then, since I still had the box, as most kids, threw these things away. Again, we talked about trains, music and baseball for a half hour! He is not your typical doctor, as he is two years older than me and went to a rival high school. We could talk for hours, but he does have patients! He told me something new about Neil Young, TCA member, as we know, that on the album, Harvest, Neil tried to get a LP liner that would disintegrate in time. Always great to see Neil at York and I hope he is doing well after last year health problems. The eye, that is other story, as he needs to consult with other doctors on what to do next. I will see him in February. Might have a contact lens implanted, but might not do much. My case is really something different for him! Figures. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Matsick" <jpmatsick@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "Ralph Loveless" <ralcor888@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>; "Jeff Snell" <jsnell5990@...>; "Jeanette Ryba" <jcryba@...>; "Valerie Singleton" <vsingleton47@...>; "Linda Marmer" <linda.marmer@...> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] December 22, 1965 > Mike > All of us in the group, wish you well and our prayers are wtih you on your eye problem, having 8 diabetic retinopathy lazer surgeries in the last 14 months, I can feel for you. However, 56 years ago this month, I received my first train, a Marx steam engine 3/16" tin lithograph set from 'Monkey Wards Dept Store, the seeds of 3/16 scale were sown then and and today are "blooming" in my love for S Gauge Scale trains. S gauge the real looking trains with two rails!, However took me 40 years to > flee from the Three Rail Lionel (and other brands) electric trains. However some of > the greatest guys (and gals) continue to run those infamous 3 rail trains, squinting > to get rid of that 'center' rail - .Happy Railroding to all (2 or 3 rails) THEY are ALL > TOY Trains and I love them. > > Jerry M > mlmarmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > 40 years ago today, I got my first HO train set. > > It was a Wednesday and I was ten years old. > > My Dad drove me down to E.J. Korvette's, a department store in Rockville, MD > that is no longer there, as the entire chain went out of business. > > Dad didn't have much money for me to use to buy this train set, as we picked > out a set by Varney that included just a circle of track, a SF Diesel, red > and silver,a L&N Box car, a yellow gondola that had a industrial road name, > and a SF red caboose. The circle of track has the connecting wires for the > transformer, soldered to the track. The set was ten dollars. > > We left for Korvette's about 6 pm that evening, as I remember that evening > very well, running that train that night in a corner of the living room. > > But like American Flyer, which we had a few sets, Varney went out of > business too. I still have the cars, with the boxes, as the engine, didn't > last too long. But it was the start of my building a large assortment of HO > trains, the next several years. > > Well, 40 years later, I have a eye appointment today, to see what can be > done, for the left eye, that now has very little vision. I think I rather > get a train set today. O:)! > > > Mike Marmer > > > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... > Jacksonville, Florida > TCA 04-57715 > NASG > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37810	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2888

"Dale Smith" Wrote Subject: Re: 332 DC to AC Coversion Concerning this question, Scott Holm mentioned recharging DC motor magnets. Does anyone know who does this, or better yet can it be practically done at home? Also, are replacements available? I can imagine with the better magnet materials available today that could make a big improvement in performance. Dale Smith Dale: I have built a unit to recharge older open frame magnets, and had reasonable results recharging older motors. Several of my D.C. motors have quit running because of lack of magnetism. Most will run without a load being applied, installed in a locomotive they quit. The new ceramic magnets would be excellent, but , I don't know of any that will fit. All of the new motors are CAN type with magnets that surround the armature. When Gilbert built their Electronic Propulsions, ( D.C. ) the magnets were poor to todays standards. Most of my 332's that run poor I have went to A.C. Changing both the field and armature ( they have to match ohm wise ) the small 433 Gilbert H.O. seem to do well. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37811	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions

Richard, A little TMCC 101... TMCC can, depending on the Board installed, drive a DC can motor or an AC motor. You will probably get better performance from a DC can motor due to the smaller current required with less voltage drop in the trackwork. It uses AC for the track voltage in both cases. The TMCC unit replaces the Reverse unit and will function as a conventional reverse unit if run on a non TMCC layout. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Richard Clouse Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:51 AM To: Thomas Stoltz; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions I am probably asking this inartfully, as I am REALLY STOOPID when it comes to electronics: Following up on the DC/AC and electronic reverse unit issue, does anyone know if you convert to TMCC, do the electronics attendant with that conversion provide for the requisite conversion of AC to DC so as to allow the installation of a can motor without having to also provide for the e-unit conversion? Rich Clouse Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> wrote: Steve (boss31) wrote: ".electronic reverse unit such as the Dallee 400.They retail for $44.95, and can be bought for less when bought as a package with DC can motor." I think it is by far cheaper and a whole lot better operationally, to use one of Steve's SNS can motors. You will not believe how much better your Flyer will run. The only drawback that I've found is you'll want to remoter all you Flyer with them. Happy Holidays, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts& Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... Rush Hour: http://www.cgclaw.com/RushHour.htm — ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION — The information contained in this e-mail message is information protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges. It is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals named, above, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by e-mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37812	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Fwd: ***story of the liberty limited.... (A definite MUST read!)

In a message dated 12/22/2005 9:51:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Hello all, Here's a link to the story about the Liberty Limited, which ran the PRR rails to the Army-Navy game from Washington, DC., should any of you be intersted. Happy Holidays, Fred http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/columnists/13462732.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37813	From: Mark Adams	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Electromagnetic Crane

Hi I just purchased an Electromagnetic Crane that needa a total rebuild. Does anyone have a parts breakdown and an internal wireing diagram ? Thanks Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37814	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: ***story of the liberty limited.... (A definite MUST read!)

Wow! Thanks for that. I got all choked up reading it, so I can only imagine how Bennet must have felt. It's great that he insisted on keeping it quiet so the vets could enjoy it and the focus would be on them rather than on the generals or politicians. But I'm sure glad the word is getting out after the fact. It's great to read about people who care that deeply and show it! Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Blessed Yule, or whatever you each celebrate this holiday season. And the happiest of New Years! Bob fredstrainparts@... wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2005 9:51:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Hello all, Here's a link to the story about the Liberty Limited, which ran the PRR rails to the Army-Navy game from Washington, DC., should any of you be intersted. Happy Holidays, Fred http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/columnists/13462732.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37815	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: TMCC Engine Control Vs. Electronic E-Unit

Carl, This was what I was wondering about, since a TMCC conversion will run in a standard conventional mode if necessary why not upgrade to it in the engines and in the future a person may decide to go for the total TMCC control package... IMHO A TMCC AC powered controller feeding a can motor DC seems to be the best of all worlds.... that is what I plan to move to with the engines I have or buy in the future.... The conversion kits you scratch built seemed cheap enough and there are drop in kits available for about 60 bucks, a little more than an electronic e-unit but you get more compatibility and future control potential.... Anyways, it's good we get a lot of choices to power and control the s-engines and trains.... Now what about pure Radio Controlled RF (Radio Frequency) control... From a central control antenna? Seems to work well for the RC cars the kid play with... maybe tunnels and such made it infeasible for toy trains.... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:48 AM To: RiClouse@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions Richard, A little TMCC 101... TMCC can, depending on the Board installed, drive a DC can motor or an AC motor. You will probably get better performance from a DC can motor due to the smaller current required with less voltage drop in the trackwork. It uses AC for the track voltage in both cases. The TMCC unit replaces the Reverse unit and will function as a conventional reverse unit if run on a non TMCC layout. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Richard Clouse Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:51 AM To: Thomas Stoltz; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An answer to the multitude of reverse unit questions I am probably asking this inartfully, as I am REALLY STOOPID when it comes to electronics: Following up on the DC/AC and electronic reverse unit issue, does anyone know if you convert to TMCC, do the electronics attendant with that conversion provide for the requisite conversion of AC to DC so as to allow the installation of a can motor without having to also provide for the e-unit conversion? Rich Clouse Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...> wrote: Steve (boss31) wrote: ".electronic reverse unit such as the Dallee 400.They retail for $44.95, and can be bought for less when bought as a package with DC can motor." I think it is by far cheaper and a whole lot better operationally, to use one of Steve's SNS can motors. You will not believe how much better your Flyer will run. The only drawback that I've found is you'll want to remoter all you Flyer with them. Happy Holidays, Tom Stoltz Tom's Turnouts& Trackwork Maine S Gaugers NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links CIHIGOYENETCHE, GROSSBERG & CLOUSE Richard R.Clouse | Cihigoyenetche, Grossberg & Clouse | http://www.cgclaw.com 8038 Haven Ave. | Suite E | Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730 Vox: 909.483.1850 | Fax: 909.483.1840 | E-mail: RiClouse@... Rush Hour: http://www.cgclaw.com/RushHour.htm - ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATION - The information contained in this e-mail message is information protected by the attorney-client and/or the attorney/work product privileges. It is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals named, above, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by e-mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37816	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Re;How far do you go? Darn good reasons - but ...

Stump, Your reasoning is very good... I was trying to be humorous and a little sarcastic about the authenticity remark, but I guess the pressure track trip remark - I never did get 1 to work and used optics, was meant to indicate that - maybe my humor needs adjustment for the New Year. I sent Carl a response to his point about TMCC 101 that included my favorite setup I'm going to be moving to for power and engine control... It's a TMCC AC powered controller powering the electrical can motor with DC... I like the tradeoffs this configuration provides as stated in the other message and has been pointed out in other group messages... To me the compatibility to run on a classically powered track was a big issue; I imagine that some don't reasonably care about this issue... It's good that we have lots of choices in s train control and power and that some folks even kit bash up their own solutions... I always thought that toy trains provided me with my first curiosity about electricity and how it worked and could be manipulated. It appears that power and control is a diverse topic that everyone has an interest in and that provides a level of personalization to their equipment. Note: The following remark is sarcastic: Don't you dare ever even think of converting a labeled 302 AC Atlantic - this rare and distinguished toy train model was meant to be pristinely displayed and never used... well, unless under a Christmas Tree.... Happy Holidays, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;How far do you go? Scott, I have rebuilt several junker Gilbert locos and cars. My feeling is that anything common is fair game for modification, particularly if it is not operating when I get it. Anything new is fair game as it has no proven collectability. I come from fifty years of model railroading with just a bit of Lionel and Gilbert collecting over the years. In model railroading there is no collectability problem, so I'm used to upgrading trains. I upgrade my Gilbert locos to straight DC power for smooth operation. This does away with the troublesome e-unit as well as going to the better can motor. I'm simply doing what Lionel, S-Helper, American Models, and Putt Trains are doing in S gauge. They use can motors and electronic e-units for AC operation, I just leave out the e-unit and run DC. I upgrade cosmetically as well as mechanically, but I'm leaning more toward buying modern stuff rather than upgrading the older trains. Would I tear into a rare Gilbert item? NO WAY! I respect what Gilbert collectors highly prize as a historic piece. That's my reasoning anyway. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry,OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37817	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: New design pull its wieght - the real model world?

Carl & S-Gaugers, Thanks for the reference to your article.... I read it...it looks much improved over the classic Gilbert design... looks like all wheels in the powered truck drive against the track. Two topic questions that you, or someone on the list, may know something about or be able to comment on: Pull-Mor Wheels: I wasn't sure from the pictures of the new design, but did any of the powered wheels have what we called "pull-mor" - the rubberized wheels to improve traction or has that idea left the S world.... Did it really help traction that much - it was much touted in the catalogs when it was introduced and I have noticed in makes a difference in the steam engines compared to the pre-pullmor design that I have run? I heard the rubberized wheels caused skipping of the track in certain circumstances... Draw Bar Numbers: I don't have a good qualitative feel for draw bar numbers. Would you be able to estimate pulling how many standard box freight cars on a level track that an 8 oz draw pull would represent? Do you think it could pull 15, 20, 25, 30... etc box cars for example? I also don't know what the classic flyer diesel draw bar pull powers are... I also wonder what the figures are for the flyer classic steam engines. Were steam engines more than the diesels, as I suspect, because the electrical engines were bigger. So it's hard to understand the draw bar figures meaning in actual application against a relative known comparison.... All s Folks - Have a good training holiday season, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tuveson Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:27 PM To: Scott Davidson; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How far do you go? Scott, I have a review of the new SD-9 AF/Lionel showing it's new drive train which is also shared by the new AF/Lionel PA Alcos at: http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9/SD-9.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Scott Davidson Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:53 PM To: 'Stumpy Stone'; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How far do you go? Stump, But what about the lack of collectible authenticity? Next you will be advocating optical pick up for trigger mechanisms instead of pressure track trips ... at least I never got one to work... I think you are right on regarding the operating of engines... but when I look to replace the e-units with digital electronics with DC converters then I get very tempted to try one of the continuous power feed digital command systems like TMMC or DCS... It's like trying to eat just one M&M... I think the passenger trains would look really cool with the constant bright lighting... I wonder what the cost difference is between converting the engines (not factoring in the control systems) between digital command and electronic e-unit? Have you ever been tempted to look at the digit command systems for engine control? I heard that the new Lionel AF diesels are using a new more modern power motor setup? Have you heard anything? Have Happy Holiday Season, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stumpy Stone Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re;AF332 question I'm a great believer in rebuilding old AF with can motors. Even if you want to go to AC power, I'd recommend doing it with a can motor and electronic e-unit conversion from Portlines or SnS Trains. The DC can motor runs smoother and cooler and the electronic e-unit is far better than fiddling with the original. You can still run AC power as the electronic e-unit also converts AC to DC for the can motor. This is the same set up all the new AC Hi-rail locomotives use. Stumpy Stone...player with trains...Martins Ferry, OH. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37818	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Gilbert Hoppers

I have finished my website page for Gilbert Hoppers: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Hopper_Cars.html It lists them all and shows pictures of all but a few. I'll update it as I collect the remaining cars and get answers for the few remaining questions. Any help or suggestions you can give would be appreciated. I hope you find this a useful resource. Bob Chugging upstairs to help my wife get the house ready for Christmas --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37819	From: Dave W	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Season's Greetings and the Polar Express

Merry Christmas, gang! And a question.........and one which I often ask...what scale is that thing and can it be converted to S? In this case, the Lionel Polar express sets. Are they 1:48 scale or closer to something WE can use? (Something like the speculation on those K-Line Allegheny and Big Boy models) Regards, Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37820	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Season's Greetings and the Polar Express

Hi to All, I'm new to this forum, but many thanks to Bob Greaves to enlightenment me to this wealth of information on American Flyer. I'm very surprised that Flyionel, American Models or S-Helper Service hasn't offered the"Polar Express" set to us S-Scale devotees. Merry Christmas to All & A Very Happy, Healthy & prosperous New Year. Long live American Flyer railroad enthusiasts. A new member, Ed Whelan-Pittsburgh, PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave W" <fahrwud@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Season's Greetings and the Polar Express > Merry Christmas, gang! > > And a question.........and one which I often ask...what scale is that > thing and can it be converted to S? > In this case, the Lionel Polar express sets. Are they 1:48 scale or > closer to something WE can use? (Something like the speculation on > those K-Line Allegheny and Big Boy models) > Regards, > Dave W > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37821	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re;The Polar Express for S scale?

There is NO way the Lionel Polar Express can be used for S gauge. We've been selling the heck out of them at the hobby shop, so I've seen them close up. The engine is the modern version of the post war Berkshire and the cars are the MPC era version of the old Madison cars. While under size for full O scale, this set is nowhere near as small as the K-Line Big Boy or the proposed regauged Pacific (which is actually the old Marx engine from the fifties.) Going in the opposite direction, the K-Line Porter, which was to be regauged to S, is way too big for full O scale. It actually scales out at about 1/24 scale, or twice O scale. Stumpy Stone...it pays to part time at a hobby shop...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37822	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Christmas Greetings

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the list from an American Flyer fanatic "Downunder". Cheers, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37823	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Royal Blue Restoration

I am in the process of restoring a Royal Blue engine which I purchased as a "basket case". I have managed to repaint it in a colour very close to the original shade of royal blue and it is looking pretty good. However I am missing the top piece of the tender - the coal pile, etc. Does anyone have any ideas on reproducing a tender top or a scrap one they could part with? Thanks, John Harvey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37824	From: ED WHELAN	Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Re;The Polar Express for S scale?

Hi, It has always been my understanding that O-Scale was never to "scale". Lionel and other O-Scale manufactures could never match the exact S-Scale, thus the "bulky" look of O-Scale trains. To infer that a S-Scale version of the "Polar Express is not possible, will surely ruffle the feathers of the S-Scale community.. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re;The Polar Express for S scale? > There is NO way the Lionel Polar Express can be used for S gauge. > We've been selling the heck out of them at the hobby shop, so I've > seen them close up. The engine is the modern version of the post war > Berkshire and the cars are the MPC era version of the old Madison cars. > While under size for full O scale, this set is nowhere near as small > as the K-Line Big Boy or the proposed regauged Pacific (which is > actually the old Marx engine from the fifties.) > Going in the opposite direction, the K-Line Porter, which was to be > regauged to S, is way too big for full O scale. It actually scales > out at about 1/24 scale, or twice O scale. > Stumpy Stone...it pays to part time at a hobby shop...Martins Ferry, > OH. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37825	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Can Motors

1) I finally broke down and purchased one of the SnS can motors (and bridge rectifier) with my last repair parts order. I put it in a rebuilt/repainted (but as yet unlettered) 322 Hudson that still wasn't running as well as I wanted. I've been running it over the last 3 or 4 days and I'm very pleased with the results. But I think one of the keys to smooth operation of the can motors that I haven't seen mentioned is the use of a modern transformer (starts at 0 volts) rather than a Gilbert transformer (starts at 7 volts). The jump from 0 to 7 volts on a Gilbert transformer jerks the train. I'll probably be getting more can motors for my other engines; they are all rebuilt units with no collectors value. And with the smooth operation of my new Flyonel Docksider, I can see myself trying out the Dallee reverse unit in the near future. 2) OK, I'm a little lost on the reference below. Is this a reference to the SnS can motor? I can't believe it's made from Gilbert components. Is there something else on the market now? - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Hannon" <hannon@t...> wrote: > > If you want to go nuts on this thing, there is a 1" motor being made > and sold by several people in the S-Gauge world. It's made from > original A.C. Gilbert armature & field components. The pulling power > developed by this motor is off the charts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37826	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: (no subject)

I have one item left from this first batch of my friends items. It is a pair of American Models Pennsylvania Green AM F-7 AA engines (1 powered, 1 dummy). The engines are AC Highrail with operating style knuckles, Pretty clean, They probably need to have their wheels and pickups cleaned but they do run. If someone wants it all for $120 shipping included to usa48 it is yours. I will be going down to my friends next week to get the rest of the items he wants to sell and will list them then. Thanks to all of you who purchased this stuff. I am also still looking for an AM SD60 in BNSF, or a pair. High rail (sold out by AM) Thanks, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37827	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re;Can Motors

The SnS motor is definately not made of Gilbert parts. It is a modern DC can motor with a mounting plate that allows a "bolt in swap" of the original motor. It is availible in standard or "slow" speed styles. I have used both in my conversions. The standard motor runs at a speed comparable to the Gilbert motor, while the "slow" motor runs at a lower speed at the same transformer setting. The can motors draw less juice than the original motors. In fact if you go straight DC power you can run them with an HO power pack (which is an example of how much less juice they draw even if you use AC.) The down side is that running less power doesn't allow your smoke unit to put out as much. The "slow" speed motor requires you to add more power to get the same speed as the standard motor, so you get more smoke and brighter headlight. I'm a great believer in DC can motors ever since I bought my first conversion from Portlines Hobby Supply, then bought a "slow" one from SnS Trains. Stumpy Stone...train runner in Appalchia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37828	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Tis the Season

Best Wishes for a MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANUKAH AND HAPPY KWANZA TO ALL I would hope that as we enjoy the season, we remember our troops, stationed here and abroad who serve us and preserve our freedom. The politicos determine the task, the common man and woman fulfiil it. Jim "fixin' the under seat heater on the sleigh" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37829	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: 1 inch motors

The 1 inch motor is not a can motor. It is just like a Flyer open-frame motor. The normal flyer motors are 1/2 inch motors which refers to the thickness of the plate stack in the field and the armature. There was also a 3/4" motor that had 50% more plates in both the field and armature and was used on the 336 Northern and the 326 Hudson. The motors are referred to as big or super motors. Way back in August 2000 Joe Messinger posted details on how to build a 3/4" motor out of two or three 1/2" motors. Here is a link to that S-trains message: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/9231 Apparently someone has taken this one step further and built a 1" motor by using twice as many plates as the standard motor, If there is room in the cab, both the 3/4" and 1" are direct replacments for the 1/2", all one needs is longer screws for mounting. "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: 1) I finally broke down and purchased one of the SnS can motors (and bridge rectifier) with my last repair parts order. I put it in a rebuilt/repainted (but as yet unlettered) 322 Hudson that still wasn't running as well as I wanted. I've been running it over the last 3 or 4 days and I'm very pleased with the results. But I think one of the keys to smooth operation of the can motors that I haven't seen mentioned is the use of a modern transformer (starts at 0 volts) rather than a Gilbert transformer (starts at 7 volts). The jump from 0 to 7 volts on a Gilbert transformer jerks the train. I'll probably be getting more can motors for my other engines; they are all rebuilt units with no collectors value. And with the smooth operation of my new Flyonel Docksider, I can see myself trying out the Dallee reverse unit in the near future. 2) OK, I'm a little lost on the reference below. Is this a reference to the SnS can motor? I can't believe it's made from Gilbert components. Is there something else on the market now? - Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Hannon" wrote: > > If you want to go nuts on this thing, there is a 1" motor being made > and sold by several people in the S-Gauge world. It's made from > original A.C. Gilbert armature & field components. The pulling power > developed by this motor is off the charts. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37830	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains - Feb 2006

Great and pleasant surprise to receive this infamous magazine on Christmas Eve. Great article on SHelper's Don Thompson and their fantastic Train Show layout, the hows and to dos when building it. "Build a "lightweight" S Gauge Layout, steps to finish your version of the S-Helper 5 x 9 portable display layout. Well written and great pictures. Merry Christmas to all, and remember when traveling to and out of Florida on I-95 you all are welcome to stop and see how a former O guagers builds a S gauge Layout. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37831	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays Everyone, Here is our on line card. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Pennsy_S_Models_Christmas_Card.jpg Dan and I would like to thank everyone for making this our best year so far. 2006 will only be better! Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com ALL of the production X29 have arrived as of 6-30-05 Replacement PRR decals arrived 10-5-05 ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37832	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2890

Has any one running can motors have had any trouble with RF interference on TV or radio. or use a 0.01mfd across the brushes??? to extend the life of the brushes??? Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37833	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hoppers

I guess there is a lot of interest in Gilbert Hoppers out there! Thanks to all who put the site over the top. The site became temporarily unavailable because Yahoo imposes an hourly data transfer limit on free sites. Try it again now. It's clear this morning. If that ever happens again, try again the next hour. I'm in the process of reorganizing the "trains" pages to be more of a reference resource like I did with the hoppers. Eventually, there will be pages for boxcars, reefers, tank cars, etc. So stay tuned! Bob Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> wrote: FYI: I recieved an error trying to get to your site. Says your site it down because it exceeds its size limit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Graves" To: "s-trains list" Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Hoppers >I have finished my website page for Gilbert Hoppers: > > http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Hopper_Cars.html > > It lists them all and shows pictures of all but a few. I'll update it as > I collect the remaining cars and get answers for the few remaining > questions. Any help or suggestions you can give would be appreciated. > > I hope you find this a useful resource. > > Bob > Chugging upstairs to help my wife get the house ready for Christmas > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37834	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas

To all: Christmas greetings to the group from Western North Carolina, and hopes for a wonderful New Year. Merry Christmas, Larry Moore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37835	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas y'all and Ho,Ho,Ho!

Here in the hills of Appalachia we're pretty politically incorrect and most everybody says "Merry Christmas y'all" which means Merry Christmas to all of you (or similar phrasology.) I will spare you the incredibly gruesome description of the mind bogglingly horrendous butchery of two mint Gilbert 0-8-0 switchers into a raging pink 0-8-0+0-8-0 Beyer-Garrett by the "green skinned grossly misunderstood mythical creature who attempted to remove Christmas in an illegal manner from the posession of the rightful celebrants" as the Grinch Who Stole Christmas is known in politically correct circles. So.....MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, and to all a good night! Stumpy Stone...Ho, Ho, Ho...in Eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37836	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: National Christmas Tree

Yesterday, my wife and I went down, via Metro, to see the National Christmas Tree, the state trees and the trains at the tree. The trains running around the tree was great. It looks like there was allot more trains running this year, with a double loop of track at the raise base of the tree. Another single loop and then a double loop by the steel fence. In between, the base of the tree and the fence, where the villages on the boards, with trains running, plus a loop, in like a lopsided figure eight, going up a bridge. Nicely down. The state trees where nicely decorated, as the Louisiana tree had donations from other states, due to Katrina, which didn't allow the state to get the ornaments down. The Yule log was nice and warm, as the evening wasn't that cold. We then got dinner at Luigi's, our usual favorite place in DC. But I have a question for Clem, as this might of been covered before. Whose trains are those. Individual TCA members? I don't think the government is spending money on the budget on train equipment. Is any thing donated by LGB? Clem, you do a great job at the tree as usual. Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37837	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas to all from the Elves at SnS Trains. We have a neat card for anyone that wants to see it. You will need to email us so we can send it as a download. We are just elves after all and not smart enough to be able to include it in this email. Steve & Sam Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37838	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: "O" Gauger who saw the Light!

To all in the fantastic S-train group- Merry Christmas! and a happy Holiday to those not of the Christian Faith. Z, N, HO, S, G all different scales but one thing in common they are Trains. Same thing we all don't worship in the same church, but I am thankful to be an American Citizen and free to worship where I want to. I want to say at this time of year special thanks to such great S Gaugers as Don and Robin Thompson, Mike Marmer, Bob Conner, Joe Haenn,Mark Perman, Larry Schugart, Barb Rudnicki and many others you are gracious and knowlegeable people who have been so helpful in my transition to S Gauge from O GAuge. Thanks to each of you and Merry Christmas. Jerry Matsick Jacksonville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37839	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: A Merry Christmas to all!!!

Hi everyone! We are at my Folk's house, and I have no access to my email address book, so to all my known and unknown S friends, I extend warm greetings and Best Wishes to all. If you have a fast connection (which my Folks do, but I don't--AAAUGH!!, click on this URL for a fun Christmas wish. (Sorry, no trains, but it is great!--might even be worth waiting for on a slow connection) http://www.reuters.hu/card_dom/index_content.html Linda & David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37840	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: 307 wiring

Hi all, I am trying to fix a 307 that may have been rewired as it has no plug for the tender wires. One of the brush wires goes directly to the front truck of the tender. The other brush has a wire that goes to the tender but is not connected. The top finger assy has two wires attached but the lower finger assy has only one wire attached. I don't know if the loose wire goes to the rear truck or the lower finger assy. Anyone have any ideas. Thanks alot and Merry Christmas, Alex Sibbald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37841	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: The Polar Express for S scale?

Would think Warner Brothers would require a ridiculous "royalty" to use the image and name; far too high for a limited size group such as ourselves. At least some groups have found out that even using the name as part of a fundraiser is not a real good idea, because of licensing costs/ penalties. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37842	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: 307

Hi all, Thanks for the answer, the lower finger had a wire off. The 307 runs just fine now. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37843	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: The Polar Express for S scale?

I would go to the book publisher, or direct to the author. In the book, thr loco was a Northern, so Warner Brothers took liberties in their version, so perhaps the author could authorize your effort. jfred WJJIM@... wrote: Would think Warner Brothers would require a ridiculous "royalty" to use the image and name; far too high for a limited size group such as ourselves. At least some groups have found out that even using the name as part of a fundraiser is not a real good idea, because of licensing costs/ penalties. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37844	From: bandmancwc	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Christmas Car

Hi All, I am fairly new to this and wanted to pick up an AF Christmas car for the years my 2 boys were born. I have found the 1995, but am having trouble finding what the 1999 looks like, or where to look for one. Can anyone point me in the right direction? As usual, it is probably the rare one that is impossible to get. Thanks for the help and Merry Christmas....Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37845	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car

I just saw a few on eBay. Not sure if I saw a '99 or not. I got most of mine from eBay. A local dealer, or one on this list may have one. Rick. Hi All, I am fairly new to this and wanted to pick up an AF Christmas car for the years my 2 boys were born. I have found the 1995, but am having trouble finding what the 1999 looks like, or where to look for one. Can anyone point me in the right direction? As usual, it is probably the rare one that is impossible to get. Thanks for the help and Merry Christmas....Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37846	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 12/25/2005, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37847	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas to all of my friends! (And if you don't celebrate Christmas, Happy day off!) Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37848	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car

I hate to tell you but the 99 christmas car is one of the hardest to get.The last one I saw on EBAY went fo $277.00. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas Car > Hi All, I am fairly new to this and wanted to pick up an AF Christmas > car for the years my 2 boys were born. I have found the 1995, but am > having trouble finding what the 1999 looks like, or where to look for > one. Can anyone point me in the right direction? As usual, it is > probably the rare one that is impossible to get. Thanks for the help > and Merry Christmas....Bill > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37849	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car

Yep, I watched that one go past, too. But before it went, I saved the picture (see attached). Enjoy! I hope the three of us can each get one some day. Watch my website - I'll be adding a page that shows all the Christmas cars, including the Christmas Gondola from 1998. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html Bob Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: I hate to tell you but the 99 christmas car is one of the hardest to get.The last one I saw on EBAY went fo $277.00. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: "bandmancwc" To: Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas Car > Hi All, I am fairly new to this and wanted to pick up an AF Christmas > car for the years my 2 boys were born. I have found the 1995, but am > having trouble finding what the 1999 looks like, or where to look for > one. Can anyone point me in the right direction? As usual, it is > probably the rare one that is impossible to get. Thanks for the help > and Merry Christmas....Bill > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37850	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Car

Here's what one looks like http://tinyurl.com/9qllg It's up for auction with a starting bid of 299.99! I think I got the last one generally available in 1999. I took my wife to visit train stores in our area so that she could shop for me and they had the Christmas car at two of the stores. I made a point of showing them to her and I just assumed that she was going to get it for me. Bad assumption. The day after Christmas I started contacting places all over the country and found one left somwhere. I think it was Earle's.. bandmancwc <Bandmancwc@...> wrote: Hi All, I am fairly new to this and wanted to pick up an AF Christmas car for the years my 2 boys were born. I have found the 1995, but am having trouble finding what the 1999 looks like, or where to look for one. Can anyone point me in the right direction? As usual, it is probably the rare one that is impossible to get. Thanks for the help and Merry Christmas....Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37851	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Polar Express for S scale?

It isn't too much of a stretch-if the group can convince Flyonel that there'd be a market for it. the re-issue of the 336 is at hand, and the heavyweights are already here. It'd be pretty cool. IMHO, one thing L and AF had in the past is something I wish'd be back-a red, green or silver/plated coach set that was "American Flyer Lines" (or L lines, for we who practice multi-gagism). P'raps the set'd cost a little less without the need for a royalty to a real line-john marganski --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37852	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2890: 1 Inch Motors

> 2) OK, I'm a little lost on the reference below. Is this a reference > to the SnS can motor? I can't believe it's made from Gilbert > components. Is there something else on the market now? Right. The 1" armature & field sets that are currently available were not made that way by A.C. Gilbert. A.C.Gilbert made the laminations, insulators and shafts (the component pieces) But, in the last few years, a few very skilled individuals have taken the old Gilbert stock pieces apart and have begun making armatures and fields with 1" stacks. Just like Joe Messinger described several years back. Refitting an engine consists of replacing the armature, the field, and and using 2 extra length bolts to mount the brush-bracket to the whole assembly. Several people on this list have purchased them, and several of the parts suppliers who are also on this list carry them (Portlines, FredsTrainParts, and maybe some others). But, this is the first time in many moons that the subject has even come up. For such an amazing re-engineering effort, they have to be the best kept secret in the S-Gauge world. I had a chance to evaluate one retrofit 4 years ago, and I was left absolutely speechless at the power they develop. Throw in pull-mor (rubber banded drive wheels) for more traction and I do believe even a lowly Atlantic could pull upwards of 100 cars. Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37853	From: beebear	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Baldwin pickups

Does anyone know where I can get 6 - Baldwin pickups? I have a need for them Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37854	From: Bob W.	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Lionel AF docksider

I accidently purchased a extra Lionel american flyer docksider. Its the santafe road name. Brand new in the box. never took it out. Its for sale for what i paid. $94 plus shipping. Anyone interested before I sell it on ebay let me know. Thanks bob wight __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37855	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 1 Inch Motors

At the recent Fall S-Fest in South Beloit, Illinois, there was an exhibitor selling these mega-motors at his table. Said he was making them himself. Didn't get a name, though. Sorry. Maybe one of the Stateline S Gaugers can give us more information. Phil K > Right. The 1" armature & field sets that are currently > available were not made that way by A.C. Gilbert. > A.C.Gilbert made the laminations, insulators and shafts > (the component pieces) > > But, in the last few years, a few very skilled individuals > have taken the old Gilbert stock pieces apart and have > begun making armatures and fields with 1" stacks. Just like > Joe Messinger described several years back. Refitting > an engine consists of replacing the armature, the field, and > and using 2 extra length bolts to mount the brush-bracket > to the whole assembly.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37856	From: muniman18	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: dumb question #8

plain and simple how does one remove the smoke stack does it unscrew with a pair if needle nose pliers working on 302 mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37857	From: bandmancwc	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 1999 Christmas Car

Thanks to all who have given me info and pictures of the 1999 Christmas car. I appreciate the help.....Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37858	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Need help finding Pittsburgh-area S Gauger

Last summer at the NASG in Altoona, on the Everett (Hollidaysburg) RR train ride, I took a photo of an S Gauger and his son. He never sent me his email address so I could send him a copy, and I didn't get his name. He was from the Pittsburgh area -- and blowing up the photo now allows me to read his badge. His name is Jim Whipple. If you know him, please send me his email address off-line. Thanks, and Merry Christmas! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37859	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Any S Layouts in SC?

Hey, anybody near Murrells Inlet, SC ? I Am hear for the week and have time to see some TRAINS. If anyone knows of any layouts or train spots, please let me know. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37860	From: Phil K	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: dumb question #8

Easy answer: it is threaded into the top of the smoke unit, right-hand thread. It has a two notches in the top lip that will accommodate the blade of a regular screwdriver. Just insert the proper-sized blade into the notches and carefully turn it out. Goes back in the same way. If you break it, you can buy a replacement for about a buck. Phil K >plain and simple how does one remove the smoke stack does > it unscrew with a pair if needle nose pliers working on 302 mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37861	From: bandmancwc	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 1999 Chistmas Car Plans -Derailed

Hi everyone, I am now convinced that the 99 AF Christmas Car idea is a "bust". I do like the '98 Gondola with Christmas trees and they seem a "little" more reasonable in price. Can anyone point me in the right direction for one of these? Thanks to all for your help and input...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37862	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: NASG car for sale

I have a new in the box NASG #48485 Northern Pacific Commemorative car from 1994 for sale. It is new in the box. $55 plus shipping to anyone interested. It will go on ebay if no interest is shown by 12/29/05 Thanks and we hope you all had a great Christmas. Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37863	From: g94a95	Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: 354 Silver bullet set

Hi there folks I was hoping somebody could tell me how to get the fragmented decals off the cars and engine so I can replace them. Theres got to be an easy way I hope???Thanx....Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37864	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: 354 Silver bullet set

try some dish detergent with a little water to thin it out & put it on the decals to let them soak it in, it could take a few trys but should soften & loosen the decals & won't hurt the paint . Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37865	From: muniman18	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: DUMB QUESTION #9

MORNING EVERYONE HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GREAT HOLLIDAY.... QUESTION GOTTA RE SOLDER THE BULB BRACKET ON MY 650 NEW HAVEN MIGHT HAVE TO RUN NEW WIRE ... BUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO TAKE THE TOP OFF SEE ONLY METAL PINS DON'T WANT TO MESS IT UP ANY HELP WIL BE GREATFUL MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37866	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: Special Guest Visitors!

Was happy to have Baton Rouge residents Jim Smelley and family visit the Jax(S) Ville train layout this Christmas season. Jim and his lovely wife, son and daughter in law (Washington State) were visiting with family in the Jacksonville suburb of Orange Park Florida. It was great to meet Jim and have them visit, Special Invite goes out to any or all traveling through Jacksonville to visit Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37867	From: Kenny C Palmer Jr	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: DUMB QUESTION #9

Never a dumb question! I give credit to John Hect for this tip. It works if the rivets pins have not been glued in. The pins you mention are press fit in the plastic shell. You need a pair of fine needle nose pliers (or strong tweezers) and a small tip soldering iron. Grasping the pin with the pliers, apply the tip of the iron to the pin (gingerly - you do NOT want to overheat things). The pin will loosen very quickly. Pull the pin - and don't do what I have done, drop it on the floor. When you are ready to reassemble, place the pin in the hole gently pressing it to seat it. Touch the soldering iron to the pin with gentle pressure in til it pushes in. Again take it easy so as not to overheat things. This process works. John showed us how in a clinic and the people he had working with him ranged across all skill levels. No one melted a shell. Good luck. Kenny Palmer Boy Oh Boy Industries --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@y...> wrote: > > MORNING EVERYONE HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GREAT HOLLIDAY.... > QUESTION GOTTA RE SOLDER THE BULB BRACKET ON MY 650 NEW HAVEN > MIGHT HAVE TO RUN NEW WIRE ... BUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO TAKE > THE TOP OFF SEE ONLY METAL PINS DON'T WANT TO MESS IT UP ANY > HELP WIL BE GREATFUL MIKE >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37868	From: Bob W.	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: The new lionel AF diesal

I got the Duluth Messabe diesal. right out of the box it doesnt work. If you put it on the bench it barly turns. Anyone else have this problem? Was there an easy fix? I realy hate to go to all the hassel and hoops for the warranty work to be done if theres a simple fix that seems to be common of this or i was the lucky one to get the only bad one out of a thousand. Bob wight __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37869	From: Bob W.	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Santa Fe docksider sold

The docksider has been promised to a member of the list. I just gave it to the first one that emailed. Thanks all. Bob wight __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37870	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: The new lionel AF diesal

Bob, Sorry to hear of your problem with the SD-9. I have some pics of how the power truck is assembled on line at: http://www.tuveson.com/sd-9/SD-9.htm It comes apart easily. I suspect that one of the axle bearings is out of place when it was assembled. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Bob W. [mailto:bobgaylord@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:11 AM To: s trains Subject: [S-Trains] The new lionel AF diesal I got the Duluth Messabe diesal. right out of the box it doesnt work. If you put it on the bench it barly turns. Anyone else have this problem? Was there an easy fix? I realy hate to go to all the hassel and hoops for the warranty work to be done if theres a simple fix that seems to be common of this or i was the lucky one to get the only bad one out of a thousand. Bob wight __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37871	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Polar Express for S

John (who isn't Eddie anymore) wrote, ". . . the re-issue of the 336 is at hand, and the heavyweights are already here. . ." Uh, have I been asleep? Flyonel heavywieghts????? I've heard rumors for years, but no "They're Here!" yet--although they would be a natural behind the Northern. BTW, it is good to be back home finally, now to work on the furnace and get some heat in this place, I was spoiled over Christmas--warm houses! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37872	From: conehammer	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Speaking of motors...

I found the discussion of motors and making up a 1" version fascinating. I'd like to read more about the specifics of the 1" motor; turns required/ gauge of wire and how much longer to make the shaftas well as any pitfalls in the process. I have several parts motors and would like to have a hand at making one up even though I know they are available to purchase. I'm not an old hand at motor rewinding but I've tinkered a bit and think I could. Secondly does anyone have advanced knowledge of what type of motors Lionel is planning for the reissued 332 Northern? I see it is supposed to be out in May 06? Thanks, Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37873	From: muniman18	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: S HELPER

I,M GONNA START MY LAYOUT SOON AND AM GOING TO USE S HELPER IT'S GOING TO BE 16X8 RECTANGULAR HAS ANY ONE USED THEIR FLEX TRACK I THINK I CAN SAVE $$$ USING THIS METHOD BECAUSE I WANT LONG RUNS WITH FEW CURVES ALSO LOTS OF SWITCHES INTO SIDINGS COMMENTS ARE ALWAYS HELPFUL IT IS AMAZING WHAT I CAN DO JUST BY LEARNING FROM ALL OF YOU THX MIKE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37874	From: Donald Thompson	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: S HELPER

Dear Mike, Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork is now building switches to match our SHS flex track. We have been sending him our rail for this project. He can be e-mailed at: tstoltz@... Best regards, Don muniman18 wrote: > I,M GONNA START MY LAYOUT SOON AND AM GOING TO USE S HELPER IT'S >GOING TO BE 16X8 RECTANGULAR HAS ANY ONE USED THEIR FLEX >TRACK I THINK I CAN SAVE $$$ USING THIS METHOD BECAUSE I WANT >LONG RUNS WITH FEW CURVES ALSO LOTS OF SWITCHES INTO >SIDINGS COMMENTS ARE ALWAYS HELPFUL IT IS AMAZING WHAT I >CAN DO JUST BY LEARNING FROM ALL OF YOU THX MIKE > > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37875	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Gilbert Engine

Almost A.C. Gilbert engine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37876	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2893

In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:53:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:57:26 -0000 From: "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...> Subject: 1999 Chistmas Car Plans -Derailed Don't ever give up. There is someone out there with a soft spot in his/her heart for a father with a son. If I had one, I would make you a reasonable deal. If I see and can make a deal on one, I will be glad to pass it on to you. Have a Happy New Year. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37877	From: Carlton Lowry	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: New Building Source

Gentlemen and Ladies, I am pleased to announce my friendship with Mr. Joe Douglas, who lives in the Sandston area of greater Richmond, Virginia. He has made O Scale buildings for a while under the name of granvillebuildings and has now produced some in S. He has a store on EBay under that name. You can contact him through that store, or on his email, granvillehobby@.... His buildings are in kit form and look very realistic. Just another to join us. Thank you for letting me post a thumbs up for him. Happy and Prosperous New year to everyone and their families. Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37878	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: SHelper - WM 2-8-0 Consolidation

Boy oh Boy its not like your Grandaddy's American Flyer train, my new SHelper Consolidation rolled in today and what an engine, the operation, smoke, sound are all super. If you don't have one let me highly recommend to you. Don and Robin and all the folk at S Helper and Showcaseline thanks for providing this FANTASTIC new addition to our S Gauge/Scale collection. Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37879	From: g94a95	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: 354 Silver Bullet Set

Thanx to all of you who replied to my post!!!!Ive got more ideas then I have ever thought of. Im gonna copy each one and put in a file for future reference. Thanx again!!!...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37880	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2893

Don't forget that there is also S Helpers 1999 christmas car which is a PS2 2 bay hopper and when seen on ebay goes for in the mid 40 dollars area. Eric Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Crpntr12449@... Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2893 In a message dated 12/27/2005 8:53:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:57:26 -0000 From: "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...> Subject: 1999 Chistmas Car Plans -Derailed Don't ever give up. There is someone out there with a soft spot in his/her heart for a father with a son. If I had one, I would make you a reasonable deal. If I see and can make a deal on one, I will be glad to pass it on to you. Have a Happy New Year. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37881	From: NASG Library	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: AM 10-1-2 Pullman car on eBay

All -- FYI, there is a NASG "NYC" 10-1-2 Pullman car on eBay at a "buy-it-now" price of $75 plus $10 shipping. It is at the following URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Models-RARE-NASG-NYC-80-Sleeper-10-1-MINT-OB_W0QQitemZ6025359512QQcategoryZ16509QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (If your computer can't gather a URL this long, look up eBay Item #6025359512.) The NASG still has these 80-foot cars available, new, for $65 plus $5 shipping. That'll save you $15 over the eBay price. Also -- Despite the label on the box in the eBay picture, these cars are not NYC cars. (The NASG had new labels made up that were pasted over the incorrect AM labels.) The cars are painted in the two-tone grey/aluminum stripes scheme that Pullman adopted in 1947 for all its pool cars. Cars in this scheme appeared on about 20 different roads in the US (including NYC). This scheme has never before been done correctly in S. Aluminum-color dry transfers, included in the box, contain the letterboard "PULLMAN" in Gothic font plus matching car names for a variety of roads. The boxes for these NASG cars also contain scale wheelsets, scale dummy couplers, and brass pick-ups in addition to the AF-compatible wheelsets and couplers already mounted on the cars. If you want to order one of these cars from the NASG, contact John Foley at: mr-s1@... If you want one and are not an NASG member, add another $20 and become a member. If you order two cars plus a membership, you'll still be ahead of the game with respect to the eBay item's price. Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37882	From: trainman634	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Ross S-Gauge Switches

Did Ross ever produce their S-Gauge switches? Did anyone buy any of them and how do they work with A.F. trains?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37883	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministr

This article appeared in today's local paper, The Greenville News, Greenville, SC. Hope everyone has had as great a time running trains as I have had during these hollidays. Peace. Mike Vandiver Click here: GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministry - (12/28/2005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37884	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Almost A.C. Gilbert engine

Lets try this again, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37885	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2894

Thought I'd throw out this question in case anyone else has observed the sames with AF/Lionel 2-8-2 Mikado. I set up SHS sectional track in my dinning room to entertain the grandkids (and me) over Christmas. It runs and sounds absolutely fantastic! However, I noticed occasional arcing coming from the area of the driver wheels. I also observed on these occasions, the loco did not slow down, the sound did not kick out, and no dimming of the lights as one might expect with shorting. I'm interested in knowing if this is completely normal and if others have observed the same? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski chudgr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37886	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2894

Gary I run my Mikado on SHS track also and have not noticed and arcing at all and everything is running aok, Is your track clean? that my be a problem? Jerry Gary Chudzinski <chudgr@...> wrote: Thought I'd throw out this question in case anyone else has observed the sames with AF/Lionel 2-8-2 Mikado. I set up SHS sectional track in my dinning room to entertain the grandkids (and me) over Christmas. It runs and sounds absolutely fantastic! However, I noticed occasional arcing coming from the area of the driver wheels. I also observed on these occasions, the loco did not slow down, the sound did not kick out, and no dimming of the lights as one might expect with shorting. I'm interested in knowing if this is completely normal and if others have observed the same? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37887	From: Doug	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min

Mike, Congrats...great article. I am trying to dispel the myth that kids today don't like trains...my three Grand kids, ages 4 to 11 spent lots of time running trains with Grandpop this Holiday. I've given each there own set, including the Grand Daughter...of course hers was a pink steamer. Thanks for sharing. Doug >From: mvandiver2@... >Date: Wed Dec 28 10:19:05 CST 2005 >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministry - (12/28 >This article appeared in today's local paper, The Greenville News, >Greenville, SC. Hope everyone has had as great a time running trains as I have had >during these hollidays. Peace. Mike Vandiver > >Click here: GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministry - >(12/28/2005) > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37888	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min

On Dec 28, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Doug wrote: > Mike, > Congrats...great article. I am trying to dispel the myth that kids > today don't like trains...my three Grand kids, ages 4 to 11 spent > lots of time running trains with Grandpop this Holiday. I've given > each there own set, including the Grand Daughter.. That is being chauvinistic is it not? A pink train!!!!!!!!! She deserves The same as the boys. Big grin. ::>D > .of course hers was a pink steamer. > Thanks for sharing. > Doug Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37889	From: Ed	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministr

Here is the link to the story. I tested it and it worked. I also upgraded Mike's original link. Great story. http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs dll/article?AID=/20051228/CITYPEOPLE/512280308/1062 -------Original Message------- From: mvandiver2@... Date: 12/28/05 09:58:06 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministry - (12/28 This article appeared in today's local paper, The Greenville News, Greenville, SC. Hope everyone has had as great a time running trains as I have had during these hollidays. Peace. Mike Vandiver Click here: www.GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministry - (12/28/2005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37890	From: Ed	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Norfolk Southern

Hi: I just received this link from Mark Boyd. http://www.nscorp.com/nscorphtml/holiday/ Mark C. Boyd Editor, Train Collectors Quarterly tcqeditor@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37891	From: falles@integrity.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: 1 inch motors

I have a real nice 332AC Engine that is looking for a nice tender - anyone have one? I also have a nice Tender for a 312 SIT that is looking for a nice 312 engine only - anyone have anything for sale?? Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37892	From: Doug	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min

Well, yes, probably, but when you consider that relatives gave her no less than 6 Barbie dolls, then I don't feel too bad...they have her stereo-typed, not me!...8^) >From: ljack70117@... >Date: Wed Dec 28 13:12:43 CST 2005 >To: Doug <scubadoo2@...> >Cc: mvandiver2@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministry - (12/28 > >On Dec 28, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Doug wrote: > >> Mike, >> Congrats...great article. I am trying to dispel the myth that kids >> today don't like trains...my three Grand kids, ages 4 to 11 spent >> lots of time running trains with Grandpop this Holiday. I've given >> each there own set, including the Grand Daughter.. > >That is being chauvinistic is it not? A pink train!!!!!!!!! She >deserves The same as the boys. >Big grin. ::>D > >> .of course hers was a pink steamer. >> Thanks for sharing. >> Doug > >Thank you >Larry Jackman >ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37893	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Fwd: Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/25/2005 | Proposal calls for Ben St

Hello all, Looks as if the money powers in the city of brotherly love want to change the name of 30th street station. Below is the link to the article, should any of you be interested. Happy New Year, Fred _http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13481014.htm_ (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13481014.htm) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37894	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min

On Dec 28, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Doug wrote: > Well, yes, probably, but when you consider that relatives gave her > no less than 6 Barbie dolls, then I don't feel too bad...they have > her stereo-typed, not me!...8^) > >> >>> Mike, >>> Congrats...great article. I am trying to dispel the myth that kids >>> today don't like trains...my three Grand kids, ages 4 to 11 spent >>> lots of time running trains with Grandpop this Holiday. I've given >>> each there own set, including the Grand Daughter.. >> >> That is being chauvinistic is it not? A pink train!!!!!!!!! She >> deserves The same as the boys. >> Big grin. ::>D >> Glad to see you took my message the way I intended. As a joke. When I was a manufacture I used to go to train shows and display my products. Some times a young girl would walk up to my table with her mother and I would talk to the child. I would ask her if she had a train set at home. Most of them would say NO but their brother or dad had one. I would tell her in this day and age she was allowed to play with the trains and her mother would smile at her. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37895	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/25/2005 | Proposal calls for Be

On Dec 28, 2005, at 2:41 PM, fredstrainparts@... wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > Looks as if the money powers in the city of brotherly love want > to change > the name of 30th street station. Below is the link to the > article, should any > of you be interested. > > Happy New Year, > > Fred > > > > _http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13481014.htm_ > (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13481014.htm) > They did this in Seattle, renaming the Sea-Tac air port for a dead Senator. I lasted about 3 months and the people continued to call it Sea-Tac and the name was changed back. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37896	From: trainman634	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: American Flyer cabooses

Which railroads used the cabooses that American Flyer modeled?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37897	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Tom Robinson's Magnificent Layout in NASG Dispatch

Kudos to Tom Robinson for the wonderful pics and narrative of his American Flyer layout that is featured in the December 2005 issue of Dispatch. I thought it was one of the best photographed layouts I have seen in the magazine. There are a lot of tracks and a lot of trains but it did not look cluttered and congested like many layouts. It was the kind of thing we would expect from Tom Robinson. One suggestion Tom: with Vanderbilt beating Tennessee in football this year, perhaps you should upgrade the skirting with black and gold and rename the Volunteer Central to Commodore Central. - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville, TN Home of the Vanderbilt Commodores [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37898	From: fredstrainparts@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer cabooses

In a message dated 12/28/2005 4:49:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wes4260@... writes: Which railroads used the cabooses that American Flyer modeled? The B&O had the 630/930 style. I took pictures of them on the rails with GP-7's in the 60's along the back of my family's property. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37899	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer cabooses

READING used and built many of the cabooses A/F modelled, at least the first one. It became known as the "North-Eastern" caboose. RDG, Jersey Central and lots of others used them or their adaptations. PRR DID NOT use that style, they developed their own. NYC also developed their own. Jim "Livin' on the PENNSY MAIN" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37900	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: trains

Hello all I need to let the people who need to contact me about their trains or other business that my phone lines will be down until Jan 6 according to the phone company. I will be checking my email at hjsheff@... every day or so until the problem is fixed and I am working on the engines promissed. Thanks for being understanding. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37901	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: FYI on one cause for stiff switches

I have dug in to rebuilding 18 power switches. No digicam, no cam, so no pics for Carl's web site and a HOWTO. But did discover one interesting tip to pass along right away. One switch which have a stiff action turned out to have that caused by the metal holding the color film by the light bulb. Someone had bent those pieces of metal apart a bit too far, maybe when changing the bulb. As a result, the metal would no longer move freely in its spot / slot. Slightly bending those back towards the bulb, instantly far less stiff. Just thought I would pass the easy tip along! Back to the cleaning! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37902	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the min

It seemed like everyone else was able to get to the link easily. Not me. It got separated into two lines in the message I received. Even when I tried combining the two lines with a /, a space, and no space between the two lines, I got a no such page error. I figured it out by going to the home page and trying to search for it, but the search engine errored out too. It did show me what was missing in the url was a period. Here is the link for those of you who might be having the same trouble. It is too good an article to miss. Mike, it's a great story on the trains and what your are doing with them. I hope this comes through in better shape. http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051228/CITYPEOPLE/512280308/1062 Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed" <ejenterp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the ministry - (12/28 > Here is the link to the story. I tested it and it worked. I also upgraded > Mike's original link. Great story. > > http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs > dll/article?AID=/20051228/CITYPEOPLE/512280308/1062 > > -------Original Message------- > > From: mvandiver2@... > Date: 12/28/05 09:58:06 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Check out GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained > for > the ministry - (12/28 > > This article appeared in today's local paper, The Greenville News, > Greenville, SC. Hope everyone has had as great a time running trains as I > have had > during these hollidays. Peace. Mike Vandiver > > Click here: www.GreenvilleOnline.com -City People-Trained for the > ministry - > (12/28/2005) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37903	From: jaytewilli	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Gear for #23743 Maintenance Car

Need some help from the group. I picked up a Maintenance Car that has a few teeth stripped out of the crown gear that is on the axle. Does anybody have a source? I've already checked out the web pages and catalogs of our great suppliers that help us keep our Flyer running. Nobody seems to have that part listed. Has anybody ever checked if any of the crown gears that Flyer used on their slotcars are the same? Any info appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37904	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Last items for sale

I have the following items for sale: These are the last items from my friend who is selling his east coast roadname stuff. One PAIR of American Models bay window cabooses. Red Pennsylvania #4100 and 4170 They are both touched up a bit (not bad) Both have some decals on them. 1 is assembled, 1 is still a kit.Both have original boxes. Both have high rail wheels and operational knuckle couplers included. I will sell both together shipped to the USA48 for $25.00 One Pair of DesPlaines hobbies / S Scale America hopper cars. Eric Lakawanna #33253 and 33941. Both are used but like new in their original boxsHigh rail wheels and Knuckle couplers I will sell both together shipped to USA48 for $60 ($45 each list) Paypal, or M.O works Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37905	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: American Flyer cabooses

also western md in at least 2 schemes, lehigh and new england, norfolk and wester, clinchfield, and undoughtably others.... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... > [Original Message] > From: <WJJIM@...> > To: <wes4260@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 12/28/2005 5:28:02 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer cabooses > > READING used and built many of the cabooses A/F modelled, at least the first > one. It became known as the "North-Eastern" caboose. RDG, Jersey Central > and lots of others used them or their adaptations. PRR DID NOT use that style, > they developed their own. NYC also developed their own. > > Jim "Livin' on the PENNSY MAIN" Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37906	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Layouts and Dust

Any suggestions out there for keeping layouts looking gleaming new at all times? With the time I am putting into restoring switches alone... NOT too interested to see them get dirty again. I have been considering making up a large enough sheet to cover the layout... anyone have experience with that route? Probably a two person job to cover / remove so that things sticking up are not hurt. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37907	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Gilbert Engine

Check out this real live Gilbert Co. GP20 Diesel Engine, in photo section under HOwings album. Anyone seen this paint scheme before? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37908	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Cryer Gray Foundry?

Is this place for real? http://www.cryergrayfoundry.com/main/homepage_new.shtml S scale, 0-6-0's???? Ask because this list usually keeps pretty good tabs on who is making engines for S scale... I don't recall this name. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37909	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: SHelper - WM 2-8-0 Consolidation

Russ Food for thought American Models has beautiful unmarked Budd Cars, or Similar in color Dark green madison coaches marked with PULLMAN that would look great with your GN F7 units Jerry Matsick PS - My Consolidation is still running just super! Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...> wrote: I second Jerry's motion! I got my Consoliation as a retirement gift from my colleagues! SC gave me the SHS GN F-7 A unit - it's great too. Now does anyone out there know if anyone has ever built a GN streamliner passenger car set? Russ in Oregon --- Jerry Matsick wrote: > Boy oh Boy its not like your Grandaddy's American > Flyer train, my new > SHelper Consolidation rolled in today and what an > engine, the > operation, smoke, sound are all super. If you > don't have one let me > highly recommend to you. Don and Robin and all the > folk at S Helper > and Showcaseline thanks for providing this FANTASTIC > new addition to > our S Gauge/Scale collection. > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37910	From: Eric & Jean	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: cabooses and hoppers sold

Ther cabooses and hoppers are sold. Thanks to all for putting up with me selling all of my friends extra stuff over the last month or so. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37911	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: SHelper - WM 2-8-0 Consolidation

I second Jerry's motion! I got my Consoliation as a retirement gift from my colleagues! SC gave me the SHS GN F-7 A unit - it's great too. Now does anyone out there know if anyone has ever built a GN streamliner passenger car set? Russ in Oregon --- Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@...> wrote: > Boy oh Boy its not like your Grandaddy's American > Flyer train, my new > SHelper Consolidation rolled in today and what an > engine, the > operation, smoke, sound are all super. If you > don't have one let me > highly recommend to you. Don and Robin and all the > folk at S Helper > and Showcaseline thanks for providing this FANTASTIC > new addition to > our S Gauge/Scale collection. > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37912	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2895

I want to thank those of you who sent notes regarding the article in The Greenville News. I apologize for the problem with the link and glad a new link has been supplied. I got home today from Greensboro, NC, and discovered there were several more pictures and more story in the paper than was included in the online article. I will see if my son can help me get "the rest of the story" in a form I can make it available for those of you who would like to have it. Again, thanks for your comments. Peace and Happy New Year! Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37913	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?

On Dec 29, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Michael Lueck wrote: > Is this place for real? > > http://www.cryergrayfoundry.com/main/homepage_new.shtml > > S scale, 0-6-0's???? > > Ask because this list usually keeps pretty good tabs on who is > making engines > for S scale... I don't recall this name. > > Michael > > This is a brass Import. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37914	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:41:10 -0500, ljack70117@... wrote: >This is a brass Import Yea, well it says that... does it run on AF track? Or is this for the really really REALLY scale S folks? Priced like it is brass... ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37915	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Fwd: Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/25/2005 | Proposal calls for B.

In a message dated 12/28/2005 2:57:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fredstrainparts@... writes: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13481014.htm_ AMAZING, Simply AMAZING!!! Jim "Livin' on the PENNSY MAIN" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37916	From: johnmreczko	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: AF accesories

I tried to install the #755 Talking station on my layout.It won't shut off.The control button seems to have no effect either.What did I do wrong?[I have three seperate loops of track.They are not connected to each other.The accesories are powered by two seperate 4B powerpacks].Second,If I turn an AF uncoupler around to make it fit,do I just reverse the wires?[Yellow to base,black to power? I hooked it up the same as the others and it wouldn't shut off. Thanks JM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37917	From: t.hawley	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> > Is this place for real? > http://www.cryergrayfoundry.com/main/homepage_new.shtml > S scale, 0-6-0's???? >. I don't recall this name. > > > > > > > > I can't think of the owners name, but he's for real. I've met him at NASG conventions, and I've heard him talk about making a steam engine. Whether he will do it with high-rail wheels as well as scale remains to be seen. You could ask him. The following is from his web site. The Cryer Gray Foundry 4351 Valley Forge Drive Fairview Park, OH 44126 Phone: 440-356-2652 - Toll Free: 866-526-8836 (Best time to call is after 1:00pm, Monday thru Saturday.) E-mail: jab@... > > > > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37918	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Layouts and Dust

Michael, When we cover our travelling layout, we lay the tall or fragile stuff over and cover with cotton sheets or plastic table cloths, whichever is handy. To avoid the "layover" situation, our new layout (featuring S-Trax this time) will have posts for holding up the sheets. Not totally designed yet, received permission to expand to 8' X 16' for this outing. We (PVMR) went to another "Open House" this afternoon, 1 to 4 PM on a weekday, last one of the year. Missed another one today that was 10:30 AM to 12:30 PM. MAKES YOU WONDER what these people are thinking when they come up with schedules. Both were being done by "retirees", but a working person doesn't have a chance to take his/her family to see them during the day. The one we visited ( O ) was very nicely done, the layout under construction is a WOW-ER!!!! even tho it is H-O. Jim "livin' on the PENNSY MAIN" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37919	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> > >This is a brass Import > > . . . . . well it says that... does it run on AF track? > > > > > > > > Whether he imports some of them high-rail will depend on two things, whether it's physically possible, and whether there be any demand. Jettie of South Wind Models imported some of his steam locos with high-rail wheels, and he wrote in one of his newsletters on the subject of which steam locos are adaptible to high-rail wheels and which are not. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37920	From: muniman18	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: marker lights

just picked up Railroad model craftsman Jan issue article about and how to build marker lamps looked fairly easy I'm not in the class of most of you but thought it could be adapted for "S" wanted to pass it on and contribute something rather than alwasy asking questions mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37921	From: John & Maria Harvey	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Beechworth (Victoria, Australia) Hobby Show

The Beechworth Memorial Hall Committee is planning a Model Railway and Hobby Show on May 6th and 7th 2006 as a fund raising activity. Beechworth is an historical gold mining town in northeastern Victoria, Australia. If anyone from Australia on this list would like to participate on a private or commercial basis please contact me on the address below. We can't offer a lot of money but are famous for our hospitality. My American Flyer "portable" layout will be up and running. Kind Regards, John Harvey memorialhall@... www.beechworth.net/memorialhall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37922	From: jschiele1@verizon.net	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: AF Mikado

Gary, I had problems with arching and mine quit runnung. A nice person from Lionel sent me the drawings of the drivers and explained that they must be insulated from each other and from the engine. This is because of the TMCC. Lionel sent me the necessary insulators and am up and running fine. I will be glad to e-mail you the drawings. Jim Schiele Thought I'd throw out this question in case anyone else has observed the sames with AF/Lionel 2-8-2 Mikado. I set up SHS sectional track in my dinning room to entertain the grandkids (and me) over Christmas. It runs and sounds absolutely fantastic! However, I noticed occasional arcing coming from the area of the driver wheels. I also observed on these occasions, the loco did not slow down, the sound did not kick out, and no dimming of the lights as one might expect with shorting. I'm interested in knowing if this is completely normal and if others have observed the same? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37923	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: SHS limited hours and 2-8-0 update

Robin and I will be going to London tomorrow for our son's wedding. We will be back on the 10th of January. The warehouse will be open, but the hours will be limited and our staff may not be able to answer every question until we return. Likewise, repairs will be held until we come back. The latest information on the first shipment of 2-8-0s is posted on our website. We have sent letters to the those who received shipments sent before December 17th. We discovered that a continuity problem existed between the lighting/smoke unit electrical system and the boiler/chassis that could damage the LM sound unit. We would like to send replacement 2-8-0s for these defective engines. Please wait for the letter if you pruchased directly from us.. If your yellow gift box does not have a orange 1/2" round sticker on the product label, your engine was not tested and needs to be returned for replacement. Most of these units are on the west coast as we were trying to get all units in our customers hands before Christmas. you purchase one from one of our dealers, you can send the units directly back to us. I am sorry to report these findings. Best regards and Happy New Year, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37924	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Cryer Gray Foundry?

The gents name is John Botten. "t.hawley" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> > > Is this place for real? > > http://www.cryergrayfoundry.com/main/homepage_new.shtml > > S scale, 0-6-0's???? > >. I don't recall this name. > > > > > > > > > > I can't think of the owners name, but he's for real. I've met him at NASG > conventions, and I've heard him talk about making a steam engine. Whether > he will do it with high-rail wheels as well as scale remains to be seen. > You could ask him. The following is from his web site. > > The Cryer Gray Foundry > 4351 Valley Forge Drive > Fairview Park, OH 44126 > > Phone: 440-356-2652 > - > Toll Free: 866-526-8836 > (Best time to call is after 1:00pm, Monday thru Saturday.) > > E-mail: jab@... > > > > > > > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37925	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: bumpers and other questions

Over the last couple years I've picked up various Flyer pieces (control buttons, bumpers, uncouplers, etc.) at the few meets I've gone to and just stashed them away. Now during Christmas break, I've had a chance to sort through stuff and see what I've really got. I have some questions for the group about some of the things. 1. One of the bumpers has yellow stripes on the cross beam. I can't find any description of this in Greenburg's Vol. II. It has the Type IV prongs as described in Vol. II, but not the tabs on the sides. Is this another variation of the 730 bumper or is it a 26000 series piece? 2. One of the generic looking brown rectangular control buttons has 2 sets of wires soldered to it. Pushing the button activates both circuits. What was this button made for? 3. I have a manual uncoupler that looks like the later 26752 remote uncoupler, but with a push lever to operate it. Greenburg's Vol. II lists this as possibly a 26753, but asks for confirmation. The price guides (TM & Greenburg's) list a 26704 instead of a 26753 as the later manual uncoupler. Since the price guides don't have descriptions, is the 26704 what I have? 4. Two 706 uncoupler boxes that I opened contained an envelope with 2 screws for mounting the control button. The Greenburg descriptions don't mention anything about mounting screws. Were these standard for the 706 uncouplers? These are in the short boxes by Greenburg's descriptions. 5. Does anyone have a write-up of the history of the Flyer control buttons? There seems to be two main types: I. brown rectangular generic, II. black or gray/white with angled label area. I assume the brown ones are the older of the two. But within the brown ones there are: 1. decal labels w/black steel(?) buttons and screw construction, 2. printed labels w/red or plain aluminum(?) buttons and rivet construction, 3. plain (no lettering) w/red aluminum(?) buttons and rivet construction. Is this right order for their introduction? What are the years of their production? That's enough for now. Looking forward to your answers. - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37926	From: John Gibson	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: FW: Citrus Shed Structure

Art: Thanks for the reminder that it was time for an update. List: I have 27 orders so far. Arrangements have been made for an announcement to appear in some of the print media which will bring in more orders. There is no deadline - we go until we get 50. Merry New Year! John Gibson Rocklin, CA -----Original Message----- From: Art Armstrong [mailto:aarmstro@...] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:01 PM To: John & Alison Gibson Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Citrus Shed Structure Hello John - Is the packing shed project still alive? Do you have a deadline of any sort where we abandon the effort? Thanks, Art Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Alison Gibson" <gibson@...> To: "'Art Armstrong'" <aarmstro@...> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: RE: [S-Scale Modeling] Citrus Shed Structure > Art: > > Thanks for your order! I have 10 commitments so far. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37927	From: beebear	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Gas plant pictures

There was someone looking for pictures of a gas plant for their layout http://www.gatewaynmra.org/articles/photos/rws-no-refinery.jpg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37928	From: hcopter51	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: New Layout

Hello all. Happy New year! I am starting a new AF layout this year in my basement. Finally room is NO issue. What would be a good source for track plans? Any web sites? I have looked at many but they only show pics of small sections of layouts. Thanks to all in advance for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37929	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: bumpers and other questions

Bruce, You have discovered that ACG was making toys, not collectibles, and as long as it functioned, it went out the door! The bumper with yellow stipes is likely a repro, as they are offered that way--however, someone might know of an ACG variation, if so, I'm all ears! The square buttons date from about 1938 to around 1950, and there are many variations on the button itself. I don't know if anyone has tried to date production variations. Many of them were labled with a decal which didn't stick too well to the bakealite bodies, so they are now just plain. I've seen these buttons in black and brown bodies. I'm not certain of the late manual uncoupler part number, but they were packed in the cheap sets. Almost any accessory with an operating button came with a little brown envelope containing two mounting screws. I think the least common uncoupler boxing is the large box with an uncoupler mounted on a piece of straight track. Usually they are in a small yellow box just big enough for the uncoupler and the button. I have the large box version in both the yellow/blue box and the white/red box. The white/red box contains the late plastic body uncoupler. There is one variation on the "standard" uncoupler, it has a black painted brass coil cover, and the lift bars are bent over on the top edge. I believe this is the first production run of that uncoupler, and then ACG figured out the lift bars didn't need the extra production step of bending over the lift bars, and that tin would stamp into a cover cheaper than brass. I haven't seen this listed anywhere (maybe I'm not reading enough books?) but I have two of them, so they exist, and probably aren't extreemely rare. I don't have an answer to your four wire button without going through an accessory manual, but have them too. Hope this helps some. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37930	From: Gerald Dobbs	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2896

I, for one don't have a problem with our members advertising a FEW items on our list, provided that the price and condition is stated at the time offered, shipping instructions, and the price should be in line with book prices. NO item should be listed for best offer, sell your stuff on E-bay. Jerry 77-11644 Eric Wrote Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:57:56 -0800 From: "Eric & Jean" <northline@...> Subject: cabooses and hoppers sold Ther cabooses and hoppers are sold. Thanks to all for putting up with me selling all of my friends extra stuff over the last month or so. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37931	From: Steve	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Scratch building an AF reverse loop relay

Hi Guys and Gals, After a heck of a lot of research and browsing through electronic catalogs, I've determined that if you don't want to modify your AF switch (as I did at www.geocities.com/notdavidspade/reverseloop Total cost $3) the cheapest way to do the reverse loop relay is to use an atlas switch machine (approximately $8). I've figured out how to wire 3 DPDT relays together to also make this work, however the relays would have constant power and therefore could get hot. This solution would cost approx. $25 for the 3 relays. My last solution is two bridge rectifiers and a latching DC DPDT relay. Latching DPDT relays are expensive, however do not need a constant current to maintain a connection. Due to my lack of electrical engineering expertise, I can't say for certain what amperage requirements are necessary, I can only guess. With my best guess at a 10A requirement, that puts the relay at somewhere between $25 and $30 plus the rectifiers at a buck a piece for a grand total of $27 to $32. Even at approximately $32 plus shipping for parts, its still WAY cheaper than what www.rfgco.com sells. (Their reverse relay is $99.95 and is stuffed into a gondola canister to put out on your layout) If anyone out there with some more electrical knowledge than I have can tell me if 12VDC 10A is overkill for our use and tell me if this is realistic (or what amperage would be required) I may be able to get the prices down some more. Thanks!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37932	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout

I would certainly start with http://www.thortrains.net/ If you scroll down, you'll find a number of S gauge layouts, or you can adapt many of the other scales if you're using sectional track. S Helper plans are available in The S-Trax Primer and Track Planning Guide, available at http://www.showcaseline.com/index.html Of course, there's always Kalmbach's 101 Track Plans, an old standard. Have fun. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hcopter51 Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Hello all. Happy New year! I am starting a new AF layout this year in my basement. Finally room is NO issue. What would be a good source for track plans? Any web sites? I have looked at many but they only show pics of small sections of layouts. Thanks to all in advance for the help. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37933	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2896

I agree with Jerry Dobbs on the conditions of selling items on our list, in fact I think it would be great but not overboard, like the ole saying: One man's cast off is another man's treasure. You never know when you may have an item someone else has been looking for! Jerry Matsick Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: I, for one don't have a problem with our members advertising a FEW items on our list, provided that the price and condition is stated at the time offered, shipping instructions, and the price should be in line with book prices. NO item should be listed for best offer, sell your stuff on E-bay. Jerry 77-11644 Eric Wrote Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:57:56 -0800 From: "Eric & Jean" Subject: cabooses and hoppers sold Ther cabooses and hoppers are sold. Thanks to all for putting up with me selling all of my friends extra stuff over the last month or so. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37934	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout

Thanks Dick and Happy New Year to you. I will do that,John -----Original Message----- From: rkuepper <rkuepper@...> To: 'hcopter51' <hcopter51@...>; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:10:53 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Layout I would certainly start with http://www.thortrains.net/ If you scroll down, you'll find a number of S gauge layouts, or you can adapt many of the other scales if you're using sectional track. S Helper plans are available in The S-Trax Primer and Track Planning Guide, available at http://www.showcaseline.com/index.html Of course, there's always Kalmbach's 101 Track Plans, an old standard. Have fun. Dick Aurora, OH -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hcopter51 Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Hello all. Happy New year! I am starting a new AF layout this year in my basement. Finally room is NO issue. What would be a good source for track plans? Any web sites? I have looked at many but they only show pics of small sections of layouts. Thanks to all in advance for the help. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37935	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout

Somehow I did not get my copy of your origional Q. What kind of space are you talking about that space is of no issue now? What kind of layout do you want it to be... lots of individual loops, as crazy with switches and diamonds as you can pack onto the table, or something to do "real" operations on, etc...? There are several good layouts by list members, first three that come to mind are, Barb's http://s-scale.org/albums/albun20 Keith's, ooohh, and I see there are new pics too! http://s-scale.org/albums/albun79 Carl's http://www.tuveson.com/ Oh yea, and that one other "attic one", where is that one... (Still looking but found...) Tom Jarcho's pics http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/jarcho/floor_layout.html Bingo, found it! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/ OK, upstairs / attic... same difference?! ;-) And on my wish list for "sometime" is a copy of RRTrack software so I can dream in color without having to plug real track togther to dream. http://rrtrack.com/ Meanwhile, back to WORK... (and cleaning those switches! ;-) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37936	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout

Thanks Mike and Happy New Year to you. The answer to your question as to what I want to do is-"All of the above". I now have the whole basement for my use and will use as much space as I can fill. It's a full basement on my ranch home. Never thought I would need more track. Barb's is the one I remembered and was trying to find. I will check out all of them as I am now just trying to get ideas. Thanks again,John -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; hcopter51@... <hcopter51@...> Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:54:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Layout Somehow I did not get my copy of your origional Q. What kind of space are you talking about that space is of no issue now? What kind of layout do you want it to be... lots of individual loops, as crazy with switches and diamonds as you can pack onto the table, or something to do "real" operations on, etc...? There are several good layouts by list members, first three that come to mind are, Barb's http://s-scale.org/albums/albun20 Keith's, ooohh, and I see there are new pics too! http://s-scale.org/albums/albun79 Carl's http://www.tuveson.com/ Oh yea, and that one other "attic one", where is that one... (Still looking but found...) Tom Jarcho's pics http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/jarcho/floor_layout.html Bingo, found it! http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/ OK, upstairs / attic... same difference?! ;-) And on my wish list for "sometime" is a copy of RRTrack software so I can dream in color without having to plug real track togther to dream. http://rrtrack.com/ Meanwhile, back to WORK... (and cleaning those switches! ;-) Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37937	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout

Unless you like to crawl, be careful not to get over 4 ft wide (or the max your arms will span) Could do lots of interesting things will walkway and walk-arounds. Jim "livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37938	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:55:19 -0500, hcopter51@... wrote: > what I want to do is-"All of the above" Do you have the two AF videos from TM? http://www.tmbooks-video.com/ Direct Link but no frame set http://www.tmbooks-video.com/am-flyer.htm Tape two, first layout... He should try to top that one, right everyone!? ;-) (Na, better not, leave some AF around for the rest of us!!!) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37939	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Finding / Note on the AF switch rebuilding project

I discovered something interesting putting the first one back together this time. It had been stiff, thus attacked it first as it was already "useless" to me in its current condition. (How much worse could I make it!?) The spring loaded piece that holds the switch from flopping all around, it would not move freely enough to allow the switch to flip. I thought I detected lubricant around there when cleaning up the switch. I removed the cover plate for it, applied some #108 engine oil, and once put back together the switch operates as expected. Were those originally lubed up? I would have assumed these were designed to be used without lube, like the E-Units per the chat on those a while back, so they would not gum up as dust gets in the lube, etc... Two back together like this (ala adding the oil step), second one even better than the first. Both were very stiff going into this deep cleaning. TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37940	From: Dave Ganslein	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2896

Hey Gang, I've got a 1946 Flyer 322 we rebuilt from parts last summer and had it running good. I just got the rest of the parts from Marty's to complete it and now when we try to run it it runs slow and lopes. (Not Marty's fault) Any suggestions as to what might be causing this? I removed the siderods to asssure they wern't mis-quartered. No difference. Also, if any of you gents are selling off your Flyer stuff and going to scale or another brand, I could use a good deal on a 364 Santa Fe B-unit. Good condition will suffice as the 360 isn't perfect. Another piece I wouldn't mind having down the road is a 332AC project. I cant bite off more than I can chew as the Harleys and old Fords eat up most of my toy money. But if someone has something laying around collecting dust that needs some work that they can make a good deal on please let me know Thanks, "Diesel" Dave Portland OR 503 255-8552 __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37941	From: boblines51	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: K-line

I just heard from a freind of mine that works for a train manufacter that buys parts from K-line.He told me that it looks like K-line is having big trouble and might shut down.Did anyone here this. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37942	From: geep39	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: AF Cabooses

I gather that Gilbert got hold of drawings of Reading cabooses when it tooled up its Postwar S gauge line. The Reading developed those cabooses basically to withstand the forces of helper service, and to comply with laws on size of cabooses, etc. The Reading built those cars in their shops, along with cars for the Lehigh and New England and Jersey Central railroads. Bethlehem Steel developed "kits" for these cabooses that were assembled in the Lehigh Valley, Western Maryland, and Pittsburgh and West Virginia shops. Mergers added more paint schemes to the cabooses, as one of the first to be merged, the P&WV, was merged into the Norfolk & Western in 1964. The Lehigh Valley sold off a number of cars to Penn Central, Delaware & Hudson, Chicago & Northwestern, and Rock Island, and various short lines. The Western Maryland sold off cars to Chesapeake & Ohio, Maine Central, and Appalachicola Northern. The Reading, Jersey Central, and Lehigh Valley cars were merged into Conrail in 1976. The Western Maryland merged into Chessie System around 1974, and those cars were painted into that scheme, and various other colors in Chessie "Safety" schemes. So, those cabooses got painted into many colors! The other AF caboose, the combination bay window and cupola, didn't exist, at least in steel. Cabooses with similar cupolas on the end of the roof were built by Wabash, Ann Arbor, and Burlington. The Pennsylvania had cars with similar cupolas, but centered on the roof (their N8 class). Cars with bay windows only are quite typical, which begs the question why Lionel didn't modify the dies to do a bay window only version, like they started to do when they announced the stillborn SD40-2 project some years ago.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37943	From: Stumpy Stone	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re;K-Line

We were told at the shop that K-Line is closed down. All the employees were laid off just before Christmas. There is only one person left to answer the phone. They continue to sell current stock until it's gone. After talking to the K-Line rep. a week or so ago, Gary is convinced they're done. Monday he took down his K-Line advertising, put most of their stuff on a 50% off sale table and dumped it. Stumpy Stone...part timer at the hobby shop...Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37944	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses

If you check out the Lionel site, they are offering a Southern and Southern Pacific caboose that seem to be modifications of the original bay window/cupola caboose. Has anyone bought one of these? I have also heard that there was an actual prototype for the bay window/cupola caboose (in steel), but there were only two made. I think they were a C&O caboose, but I'm not sure. I have not seen any photos of the prototype, nor have I been able to verify if they made them. Can anyone? Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "geep39" <schwartzsj@j...> wrote: > > I gather that Gilbert got hold of drawings of Reading cabooses when > it tooled up its Postwar S gauge line. > The Reading developed those cabooses basically to withstand the > forces of helper service, and to comply with laws on size of > cabooses, etc. > The Reading built those cars in their shops, along with cars for the > Lehigh and New England and Jersey Central railroads. Bethlehem > Steel developed "kits" for these cabooses that were assembled in the > Lehigh Valley, Western Maryland, and Pittsburgh and West Virginia > shops. Mergers added more paint schemes to the cabooses, as one of > the first to be merged, the P&WV, was merged into the Norfolk & > Western in 1964. > The Lehigh Valley sold off a number of cars to Penn Central, > Delaware & Hudson, Chicago & Northwestern, and Rock Island, and > various short lines. The Western Maryland sold off cars to > Chesapeake & Ohio, Maine Central, and Appalachicola Northern. The > Reading, Jersey Central, and Lehigh Valley cars were merged into > Conrail in 1976. The Western Maryland merged into Chessie System > around 1974, and those cars were painted into that scheme, and > various other colors in Chessie "Safety" schemes. So, those cabooses > got painted into many colors! > > > The other AF caboose, the combination bay window and cupola, didn't > exist, at least in steel. Cabooses with similar cupolas on the end > of the roof were built by Wabash, Ann Arbor, and Burlington. The > Pennsylvania had cars with similar cupolas, but centered on the roof > (their N8 class). Cars with bay windows only are quite typical, > which begs the question why Lionel didn't modify the dies to do a > bay window only version, like they started to do when they announced > the stillborn SD40-2 project some years ago. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37945	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses

I have the two new bay window cabooses. They have very nice looking graphics. I too have seen a photo of the prototype for the original AF bay window caboose. I only saw it briefly on an episode of the Train Show on the RFD network. It was of a model rr train show and there was a scratch built HO caboose and it's documentation photos of the prototype were the bay window with the streamlined cupola exacly like the AF caboose! Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Poniatowski Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Cabooses If you check out the Lionel site, they are offering a Southern and Southern Pacific caboose that seem to be modifications of the original bay window/cupola caboose. Has anyone bought one of these? I have also heard that there was an actual prototype for the bay window/cupola caboose (in steel), but there were only two made. I think they were a C&O caboose, but I'm not sure. I have not seen any photos of the prototype, nor have I been able to verify if they made them. Can anyone? Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "geep39" <schwartzsj@j...> wrote: > > I gather that Gilbert got hold of drawings of Reading cabooses when > it tooled up its Postwar S gauge line. > The Reading developed those cabooses basically to withstand the > forces of helper service, and to comply with laws on size of > cabooses, etc. > The Reading built those cars in their shops, along with cars for the > Lehigh and New England and Jersey Central railroads. Bethlehem > Steel developed "kits" for these cabooses that were assembled in the > Lehigh Valley, Western Maryland, and Pittsburgh and West Virginia > shops. Mergers added more paint schemes to the cabooses, as one of > the first to be merged, the P&WV, was merged into the Norfolk & > Western in 1964. > The Lehigh Valley sold off a number of cars to Penn Central, > Delaware & Hudson, Chicago & Northwestern, and Rock Island, and > various short lines. The Western Maryland sold off cars to > Chesapeake & Ohio, Maine Central, and Appalachicola Northern. The > Reading, Jersey Central, and Lehigh Valley cars were merged into > Conrail in 1976. The Western Maryland merged into Chessie System > around 1974, and those cars were painted into that scheme, and > various other colors in Chessie "Safety" schemes. So, those cabooses > got painted into many colors! > > > The other AF caboose, the combination bay window and cupola, didn't > exist, at least in steel. Cabooses with similar cupolas on the end > of the roof were built by Wabash, Ann Arbor, and Burlington. The > Pennsylvania had cars with similar cupolas, but centered on the roof > (their N8 class). Cars with bay windows only are quite typical, > which begs the question why Lionel didn't modify the dies to do a > bay window only version, like they started to do when they announced > the stillborn SD40-2 project some years ago. > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37946	From: Bruce D. Willis	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: 4-wire American Flyer control button

I found a box of semaphore remains that I picked up to try to rebuild one unit out of the parts. In the bottom of the box was an instruction sheet for a 715 armored vehicle flat car. The wiring diagram showed the 4-wire control button with the two yellow wires connected to the same accessory post on the transformer and the two black wires connected to the same terminal post on the activation rail - a redundant wiring scheme! Well, at least I found one reference to the 4-wire button. - Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37947	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: EBAY PROBLEMS?

Anyone else having problems signing into their EBAY accounts? Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37948	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: EBAY PROBLEMS

Please respond off list. Mike S. Sorry forgot to put this in first post ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37949	From: keefer1	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: k-line

Looks like a dismal future.From there web page " K-LINE Continues Limited Operations 12/23/05 Chapel Hill, NC - K-LINE is currently operating with a reduced staff over the next few weeks in anticipation of a sale of the assets of the company. A sale of assets to Sanda Kan, K-LINE’s primary manufacturing vendor and largest secured creditor, had been imminent throughout the fall, however, it has not happened. Another party is also interested in purchasing the company, however, it may be the end of January before anything is finalized. Current operations include processing and shipping all orders of in stock items. Shipments continue to go out daily. All repair work has been suspended until mid-January. At that time, repairs will either be resumed or items will be returned to customers. For answers to technical questions, please email info@... or use our toll-free fax: 877-269-4113. Please refrain from asking questions regarding product delivery, as too many things are uncertain at this time. The final shipment of Operating Sawmills for Collector’s Club Members are on the way from China and should arrive at MDK by January 15. We expect to ship them out by the end of January. Our hope is that the new owner of K-LINE will keep most of the employees and will continue to make trains. Both potential purchase plans agree to assume and honor the obligations of the K-LINE Collector’s Club deposits and other customer deposits made to K-LINE. As this has been a most difficult time for K-LINE management, customers and employees, we appreciate all the support during this period and throughout our long history." __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37950	From: Jerry Matsick	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses

Jerry I have purchased them and they are really sharp, I hope Lionel continues to produce sharp looking cars like this. Jerry Matsick Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> wrote: If you check out the Lionel site, they are offering a Southern and Southern Pacific caboose that seem to be modifications of the original bay window/cupola caboose. Has anyone bought one of these? I have also heard that there was an actual prototype for the bay window/cupola caboose (in steel), but there were only two made. I think they were a C&O caboose, but I'm not sure. I have not seen any photos of the prototype, nor have I been able to verify if they made them. Can anyone? Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "geep39" wrote: > > I gather that Gilbert got hold of drawings of Reading cabooses when > it tooled up its Postwar S gauge line. > The Reading developed those cabooses basically to withstand the > forces of helper service, and to comply with laws on size of > cabooses, etc. > The Reading built those cars in their shops, along with cars for the > Lehigh and New England and Jersey Central railroads. Bethlehem > Steel developed "kits" for these cabooses that were assembled in the > Lehigh Valley, Western Maryland, and Pittsburgh and West Virginia > shops. Mergers added more paint schemes to the cabooses, as one of > the first to be merged, the P&WV, was merged into the Norfolk & > Western in 1964. > The Lehigh Valley sold off a number of cars to Penn Central, > Delaware & Hudson, Chicago & Northwestern, and Rock Island, and > various short lines. The Western Maryland sold off cars to > Chesapeake & Ohio, Maine Central, and Appalachicola Northern. The > Reading, Jersey Central, and Lehigh Valley cars were merged into > Conrail in 1976. The Western Maryland merged into Chessie System > around 1974, and those cars were painted into that scheme, and > various other colors in Chessie "Safety" schemes. So, those cabooses > got painted into many colors! > > > The other AF caboose, the combination bay window and cupola, didn't > exist, at least in steel. Cabooses with similar cupolas on the end > of the roof were built by Wabash, Ann Arbor, and Burlington. The > Pennsylvania had cars with similar cupolas, but centered on the roof > (their N8 class). Cars with bay windows only are quite typical, > which begs the question why Lionel didn't modify the dies to do a > bay window only version, like they started to do when they announced > the stillborn SD40-2 project some years ago. > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links Jerry Matsick RESPOND TO Mtoytrain@... Jacksonville, Florida TCA 04-57715 NASG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37951	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: 4-wire American Flyer control button

The instruction book I have, shows the 4 wire control button, was used with the #14 Electronic Rectiformer, and the #15 Rectifier........ It also included the diagrams........ It looks like they were made just for that reason......... Vin "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...> wrote: I found a box of semaphore remains that I picked up to try to rebuild one unit out of the parts. In the bottom of the box was an instruction sheet for a 715 armored vehicle flat car. The wiring diagram showed the 4-wire control button with the two yellow wires connected to the same accessory post on the transformer and the two black wires connected to the same terminal post on the activation rail - a redundant wiring scheme! Well, at least I found one reference to the 4-wire button. - Bruce Vin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37952	From: Jerry Poniatowski	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses

Jerry et al., The other Flyonel items I have purchased are indeed well done. Their graphics are second to none, and way better than the Gilbert ones. But then, after 50 years you would expect that. Lionel has refurbished the existing molds nicely too. Some subtle modifications have also been made along the way. For instance, I noticed that on the boxcars, the ribbing on the sides has been made complete, that is, without the gaps for the lettering that Gilbert applied. Now the ribs have no gaps, as Lionel applies the graphics over the ribs without any deformation or fuzziness of the graphics. Nicely done. Now, I wonder if the molds for the heavyweights are still around......... ;>) Has anyone found a source for the prototype photos of the elusive bay window/cupola caboose? Happy New Year to all! Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: > > Jerry > I have purchased them and they are really sharp, I hope Lionel continues to produce sharp looking cars like this. > > Jerry Matsick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37953	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: AF Cabooses

hey jerry, the question on af bay window cabooses was also asked recently on the atlantic coast s gaugers list and the answer was there was no prototype to anyone's knowledge. this is what i have always felt, unless collectable i take the cupolas off mine, they sure look better..... look forward to detroit this summer, Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... > [Original Message] > From: Jerry Poniatowski <poniaj@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 12/31/2005 11:36:09 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Cabooses > > Jerry et al., > > The other Flyonel items I have purchased are indeed well done. Their > graphics are second to none, and way better than the Gilbert ones. > But then, after 50 years you would expect that. Lionel has > refurbished the existing molds nicely too. Some subtle modifications > have also been made along the way. For instance, I noticed that on > the boxcars, the ribbing on the sides has been made complete, that is, > without the gaps for the lettering that Gilbert applied. Now the ribs > have no gaps, as Lionel applies the graphics over the ribs without any > deformation or fuzziness of the graphics. Nicely done. Now, I wonder > if the molds for the heavyweights are still around......... ;>) > > Has anyone found a source for the prototype photos of the elusive bay > window/cupola caboose? > > Happy New Year to all! > > Jerry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Matsick <jpmatsick@y...> wrote: > > > > Jerry > > I have purchased them and they are really sharp, I hope Lionel > continues to produce sharp looking cars like this. > > > > Jerry Matsick > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37954	From: Phil K	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Armored car for 715

Does anyone know if there are any differences (cosmetic or otherwise) between the armored car supplied with the pre-war 472 and post-war 715 vehicle unloading cars? Thanks, and Happy New Year, everyone! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37955	From: Mac	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Driver wiggle

I'm trying to determine the normal amount of play in the front drivers of a 312. I'd say there is at least 3/8'' between inside of wheel and gear box. Seems like a lot. Happy New Year, everyone - Hope they run better in 2006!!! Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37956	From: Russ Dondero	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: GN Box Car Search

I'm looking for the GN two tone box car, with green roof, orange middle and green bottom half. SHS had one in their '03 catalog, I believe Flyonel and AM also had some. But none are currently listed on their websites. Russ in Oregon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37957	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: New Layout

One other book, when I saw Kalmback and "track plans" before I thought it was the one I have. Seems they had multiple. The one I have, now a classic I am sure but maybe you can locate it, "Track Plans for Sectional Track" by Linn Westcott which has 144 plans. He has very nice detailed instructions / specifications for each layout in the back, and those are presented for AF S track, assuming you are using the classic track. Another one I have found helpful, sort of a quick whirlwind tour on the topic - not too heavy, not to sparce... "Realistic Model Railroad Operation" by Tony Koester. Since I do not work for a RR, it was helpful to understanding what terms mean, how to operate the layout as if it were a real RR... thus how to position switches and industries, etc... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37958	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Armored car for 715

The most outstanding feature of the Pre-war car is that it has metal rims with white rubber tires. Post-war came with just black rubber wheels. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37959	From: dale reynolds	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: K-line folding

hey gang, just a comment that i liked the k-line marx reissues, the price, trucks, and graphics were excellent, but as always, as an s-gauger since 1950, we need to stay with the tried and true suppliers, ron bashista and don thompson, who provide wonderful products at reasonable prices. and allthe smaller guys who have filled out some niches, too.... Dale Reynolds reynoldsdale@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37960	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Mikado sound problem

My Flyonel Mikado choo choo sound has quit working. It was running down the track and just quit.I am running it in command mode with a cab-1 controller and have tried all the reset procedures with no help.When it is started up the normal idle steam sounds are present.The crew talk ,whistle and bell work normally.I also noticed that the braking sounds don't work also. Any ideas??? Thanks Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37961	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Sunday Chat, 1/1/2006, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 37962	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: K-line folding

Just went to their web site today for the first time in a long time. They have / had a little switcher coming next year. Looks about like a small GE 25 toner which I need one of those to model KVP properly as that was their power around the factory. I had been planning on their 30" straights for larger layout work, maybe their curves as well on the main line. Oh well! Happy Old Year to everyone! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 37963	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Mikado sound problem

Larry, Sounds Like the Chuff sensor micro switch has gone bad or is out of adjustment. Unfortunately is a weakness in the design and they have had a bad batch of switches. It is buried in the engine at the rear driver and should only be changed by a Service Station or the Factory. Check with the place where you bought it or get a Return Authorization from Lionel to send it in. It should be under warranty. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Larry Oberman Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Mikado sound problem My Flyonel Mikado choo choo sound has quit working. It was running down the track and just quit.I am running it in command mode with a cab-1 controller and have tried all the reset procedures with no help.When it is started up the normal idle steam sounds are present.The crew talk ,whistle and bell work normally.I also noticed that the braking sounds don't work also. Any ideas??? Thanks Larry S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://S-Scale.org/albums/modelrail Yahoo! Groups Links